American Atheists Show They Need God to Survive

T.S. Elliott, wrote, “The greatest proof of Christianity for others is not how far a man can logically analyze his reasons for believing, but how far in practice he will stake his life on his belief.”

True enough, but we can apply this same truth to atheism:

“The greatest proof of atheism for others is not how far a man can logically analyze his reasons for disbelieving in God, but how far in practice he will stake his life on his atheism.”

How consistently will an atheist stand up for his atheist beliefs without borrowing from the Christian worldview? Consider the dedication of the atheist monument in Starke, Florida, on June 29th.

The atheists representing the monument reject any notion of a transcendent God as Creator and lawgiver. So how can they critique biblical morality and then account for atheist morality in a world that is nothing but atoms?

There is no inherent moral category given atheist presuppositions. To be consistent, atheists should not be concerned with morality since a list of moral “dos” and “don’ts” have not been found in the fossil record, discovered in meteorite samples, moon rocks, or culled from the stuff of this planet.

The symbol of the American Atheists is the letter “A” surrounded by two revolving atoms. At the foundation of all that we are, according to atheists, we are nothing but atoms:

Atheists are materialists. Their worldview is a matter-only worldview. If a proposition can’t be seen, touched, and measured, it doesn’t exist. Morality, reason, and logic do not have any physical substance. They can’t be dissected and studied in the laboratory. You can’t find them on the Periodic Table. They don’t show up in the study of the genome.

Atheists would tell a critic like me that they believe in morality. They may believe in morality, but they can’t account for it. They would argue that all things and actions are permissible except those things and actions that hurt or trample on the rights of others. Who says? Where is this law found?

The American Atheist website says to its fellow-atheists, “Stand Up for Your Rights.” I want an atheist to explain to me how the first atom to appear in our cosmos and somehow transmuted itself into organic life was justified in claiming “rights” for itself. Where did the intelligence necessary for such a thing to happen come to pass?

Richard Dawkins talks a lot about morality. He was recently asked who he believed was “the most moral person ever.” He responded that atheist and moral philosopher Peter Singer would be a top contender.

Singer argues that newborns lack the essential characteristics of personhood: “a human being, in the sense of a member of the species Homo sapiens, is not relevant to the wrongness of killing it; it is, rather, characteristics like rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness that make a difference’[1], therefore “killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living.”[2] Singer’s assertions are perfectly logical for an atheistic evolutionist.

Singer’s ethic is “the greatest good for the greatest number.” What constitutes “good” for atheists like Singer and Dawkins? Hitler was as utilitarian as Singer. He believed that killing all the Jews was the greatest good for the greatest number.

If we take these atheists back through evolutionary time, when pre-humans were killing and eating other pre-humans, how would they have answered the morality question? As evolutionary observers, they could not make a moral judgment in that time. Evolution was in the process of making humans like them. Kill or be killed was what got us here.

A hundred or so American Atheists were out in force to promote atheism with a monument that concludes that humans are only a conglomeration of atoms with no moral absolutes to tell the atoms how to act.


Notes:
  1. Taking Life: Humans.” []
  2. Peter Singer FAQ, Princeton University. []

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  • Bobseeks

    Good points about the evil and the lack of reason in atheistic beliefs. Singer is a prime example of atheist "reasoning"; I am sure they are quite proud of him. He stands tall in the atheist pantheon along with hitler, mao, stalin, pol pot and the rest of the atheist heroes.

  • John

    Another profoundly awful article by DeMar. He seems deathly terrified and threatened by atheists and just can't stop writing against them. Why does he feel so threatened? Who knows.

    "Atheists would tell a critic like me that they believe in morality. They may believe in morality, but they can’t account for it."

    What does this even mean, account for it? You mean I can't point to some scripture to back up my opinion/beliefs? Why is that a requirement? Can you not have any position on morality without citing scripture? If the Bible didn't have laws against murder, or theft, or what have you, would you then say to yourself that it would be OK to do those things? Of course not! Yet DeMar doesn't understand that. So then why demand everyone justify their morality by pointing to some authority/scripture? That's a ridiculous argument, yet one DeMar loves to make in his quest to attack atheists.

    For example, rape in the bible. There is a lot of scripture in the Bible that speaks in favor of rape. So how do Christians know that rape is a reprehensible thing to do? How do they "account" for this, as DeMar would say?

    • Bobseeks

      Would you care to give examples of that Scripture that speaks in favor of rape?

      • John

        She answered him, “No, my brother, do not violate me, for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do this outrageous thing. As for me, where could I carry my shame? And as for you, you would be as one of the outrageous fools in Israel. Now therefore, please speak to the king, for he will not withhold me from you.” But he would not listen to her, and being stronger than she, he violated her and lay with her.

        Samuel 13:12-14

        Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

        Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."

        Samuel 12:11-14

        And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

        Numbers 31:15-18

        “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

        Deuteronomy 22:28-29

        And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.

        Deuteronomy 20:10-14

        Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

        Zechariah 14:1-2

        • Bobseeks

          As usual, you prove that you are a liar. None of these Scriptures indicates that GOD approves of rape. I can see that you copied and pasted these from some website run by atheist liars like yourself.

        • John

          Why do you even ask for scripture if your response is always the same? I quoted scripture that speaks favorably of rape, just like you asked. Insulting me or denying it won't change the truth.

          "Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. "

          That doesn't indicate that God approves of rape?

          So like I asked, how do you know that rape is bad? And if murder wasn't mentioned as wrong in the Bible, would you think it would be OK to murder people?

        • Bobseeks

          John - I just wanted to prove that you are a liar and I accomplished that. One cannot debate a liar such as yourself, therefore all I can say is - have a nice day, liar.

        • John

          Hahahahaha. Oh Bob. So you're saying the Bible is lying? That's not very nice, Bob. I see you're having a hard time answering my simple question.

          If murder was not classified as a sin, would you do it? Since you won't answer, I'll answer the obvious question. No, you wouldn't. But why? Same reason an atheist wouldn't.

        • mechmorph

          No, Bob is pointing out that you can take anything out of context and deliberately misread it, and that makes you a liar. Not one of those passages indicates God favors rape. You've got prophecies, warnings, punishments, historical events and judgments all mixed together without their context, then you've deliberately misread what's there. As Bob said, you're a liar.

          As for your question about murder:

          Stalin ordered the deaths of millions of people. Stalin was an atheist. Therefore, an atheist ordered the deaths of millions of people.

          Mao Tse tung ordered the deaths of millions of people. Mao was an atheist. Therefore, an atheist ordered the deaths of millions of people.

          Pol Pot ... etc.

          So yes, clearly without the Bible, murder is a popular option.

        • Bobseeks

          Good post.

        • John

          I see you were again unable to answer my question: If murder was not classified as a sin, would you do it?

          Tell me how my passages were taken out of context then. Or can I also take any scripture you use for your points and then simply claim they are out of context and dismiss them?

          "Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. "

          That is pretty clear. You're more than welcome to show how it's out of context.

          Do you think the reason Stalin ordered the death of millions was because of his lack of religion? Not because he was an evil man? Not because he was a tyrant who loved power? Not because he was a totalitarian? No, none of those things you think influenced him. You think he did it because of a lack of religion.

          How about Christianity? You don't think the Crusades were barbaric and evil? How about forced conversions, anti-Judaism, the crusades, the Inquisition,
          endless moneygrubbing, complicity with colonialism and slavery,
          oppression of women, witch hunts, ethnic warfare, capitulation to
          nationalism, silence during the Holocaust....

          Must be weird living in such denial.

    • Screeminmeeme

      1. The Bible does not condone or speak favorably of rape but it does record incidents of it along with other examples of man's depravity. Rape/adultery/fornication/incest/homosexuality/sodomy are all condemned in Scripture.

      2. No atheist has grounds to criticize or condemn anyone else since all behavior is equally valid according to his relativistic world view.

      • John

        1. You mean except for the passages I quoted which speak favorably of rape?

        2. Again, you are trying to tell others what atheism is. I'm an atheist and I don't believe all behavior is equally valid. What person, no matter what their beliefs, would say that murder is as valid as giving someone a hug? That is a ridiculous and stupid statement to make and you're just trying to denigrate atheists with it.

        Would you think that murder is acceptable if the Bible did not speak against it?

        • mechmorph

          1. The passages you "quoted" were, and I quote, "a lot of scripture in the Bible." Name one, specifically.

          2. We're telling you what we observe, just like when you try to tell Christians what they believe. Following atheists'
          "logic," you have no basis for morality except random choice or the fear that other people will beat you up. You ask who considers murder as valid as a hug. The answer in our present day is Muslims. In the past, there were also Thugees, Aztecs, any number of pagans. ... If you think atheism has any basis for morality, you just haven't thought it through, and you've ignored history, with the hundreds of millions murdered in the 20th century by atheists. Without the moral influence of the Bible, murder is indeed acceptable to a large percentage of the human race.

        • John

          1. I cited multiple (6) passages. Pick any of those you wish to defend.

          2. Are you really saying that if the Bible didn't tell you that murder was wrong, that you would be morally OK with murdering someone?

        • mechmorph

          1. You have yet to list a single passage that shows God favors rape or considers it morally correct.

          2. If you don't believe in the Bible or some other scripture, then your "morality" is just a random choice with no meaning. Atheists have a long history of mass murder.

        • John

          1. "Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight."

          I also find it interesting that you only accept passages that are explicitly spoken by God. Is that how you view your Christianity? Nothing else in the bible represents the faith and morals other than the direct words of God? Most wouldn't look at it that way. But I bet it works well when you're trying to deny how barbaric the Bible is and what it teaches.

          2. You still haven't answered my question. What is so difficult about it? Are you really saying that if the Bible didn't tell you that murder was wrong, that you would be morally OK with murdering someone?

          And have you never heard of the Crusades or the Inquisition or the witch burnings? What about the Church who was largely silent during WW2?

          As to the usual talking points about atheist mass murder, I assume you're pointing out the usual suspects? Some corrections: Hitler wasn't an atheist and nor was Pol Pot. The list goes down to 2. And how can you say their lack of beliefs motivated them? How can a lack of something be a motivator?

          Here is a very small list of some brutal religious conflicts:

          Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
          Algeria, 1992-
          Baha'is, 1848-54
          Bosnia, 1992-95
          Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
          Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
          Croatia, 1991-92
          English Civil War, 1642-46
          Holocaust, 1938-45
          Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
          India, 1992-2002
          India: Suttee & Thugs
          Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
          Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
          Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
          Jews, 1348
          Jonestown, 1978
          Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
          Molucca Is., 1999-
          Mongolia, 1937-39
          Northern Ireland, 1974-98
          Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
          St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
          Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
          Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
          Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
          Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
          Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
          Thirty Years War, 1618-48
          Tudor England
          Vietnam, 1800s
          Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
          Xhosa, 1857
          Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
          Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
          Al Qaeda, 1993-
          Crusades, 1095-1291
          Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
          Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

        • metheoldsarge

          You have a point. As much as I hate to say it, history does reveal a few skeletons in the Catholic closets. The numerous instances you list, tell of atrocities committed in the name or one religious belief or another. Wars, accompanied by atrocities, have been fought over it like the Crusades. There was also the Spanish Inquisition. In more recent time there was the Holocaust of WWII. The Holocaust is debatable. It is known fact that Hitler was raised Catholic and later abandoned the church. No one really knows if his hatred for the Jews was based on Christian beliefs or if he was an atheist. In his books, Rise and Fall of The Third Reich and The Rise and Fall of Adolph Hitler, William Shirer also talks about Hitler's young years as a jobless tramp in Vienna, Austria. He points out that, at the time, it seemed that most of the rich people were Jewish and it is possible his hatred for them may have been the result of jealousy. Hitler also believed that Jews were among the pacifists that stabbed Germany in the back and was the reason for loosing WWI. Weather or not his hatred was because of jealousy, religious beliefs, or he was an atheist is something that has been debated and will continue to be until the cows come home. There is no doubt that he was definitely an anti-Semite. There is also one interesting observation about the late famous astronomer Carl Sagan. It was no secret that Sagan was a staunch atheist. Remember when those rocks were found that some scientists believed were from Mars? Sagan then publicly and gleefully announced that “This proves evolution! “ Not very long after that startling statement, he died of a massive heart attack. Could be coincidence or maybe punishment from the All Mighty. How say all of you?

        • petroskhan

          And how many of those conflicts that you've listed are attributable to people following Christ? How many were performed by CHRISTIANS. Not Catholics (since, to be honest, they're as far from followers of Christ as you can get), not those CLAIMING to follow the teachings of Christ, but those who actually lived by and according to His words. How many of those conflicts were attributable to Christians, then?

          Easy answer: Not a one.

        • John

          So true Christians, to you, means someone who lives by all his words? Then wouldn't that exclude almost everyone? Since it's understood that one will sin and go against his word. Do you think that committing a sin means you aren't a Christian?

        • petroskhan

          "So true Christians, to you, means someone who lives by all his words?" Yes, or at least makes the sincere attempt to do so.

          "Then wouldn't that exclude almost everyone?" Why, yes, it would. Just as Christ Himself said.

          "Do you think that committing a sin means you aren't a Christian?" Depends on what you do afterwards, doesn't it? If one sincerely repents, and asks for forgiveness, while striving to NOT repeat the action, then the answer is no. But if one takes the mafioso approach, going to confession, and asking for forgiveness from the priest, on his way to his next "hit", then the answer is yes, this person is not a Christian.

          You seem to be arguing a position to which you already know the answer, but like a typical atheist, you aren't really trying to understand or get information, you just want to "win" or score some sort of imaginary points.

          From the language of your posts, you seem both educated and intelligent. You know exactly what a Christian is, and what it means to be one. Why the semantics game? You also know that 99% of the people claiming to be such are not, by their very actions. Let's stop playing this nonsensical game, and stick to facts, shall we?

        • John

          So you're basically the Christian police? Hahahaha. I always find it funny that faith is supposed to bring people together, then there are sad little people like you, who work their hardest to go against that idea. You think you have the power to see what is in someone's heart? You think the amount of times you have sinned would disqualify you from being a Christian? I thought that opening your heart to Jesus was all that was required.

          There is no answer. There is no "true" Christian. The whole thing is a ruse. What "facts" should we stick to? The ones you make up? Where you try and define and then qualify what a "sincere attempt" is and who is a true, true, Christian? Please. It's all relative. Someone more pious than you would say the same thing, that you aren't a true Christian. Then someone more pious than that person, would do the same. And on, and on, and on. People spend their entire lives in the service of God, in some monastery, and according to your rules, would be able to say you aren't a true Christian. Like I said: it's all relative.

        • petroskhan

          How about we just toss all that out, and let the Bible speak for itself, as well as people's actions?

        • John

          Well, I would, but you're too busy speaking for it. It still remains that there is no "true" Christian. Sure, many people give the religion a bad name, but unfortunately, it's not that easy for you to distance yourself from them.

        • Screeminmeeme

          Since I believe what the Bible teaches about man's depraved nature, I think that everyone, including myself, is capable of justifying the slaying of another person, given a particular set of circumstances.

          Murder IS acceptable in a world devoid of Biblical influence. Even now, in Islam, murder of infidels is not only acceptable but an obligation of all Quran-believing Muslims.

          You may not think that murder is acceptable but you have no basis for that position other than personal preference.

        • John

          "Murder IS acceptable in a world devoid of Biblical influence"

          How do you know? And didn't you just say in the previous sentence that you thought murder was ok in some circumstances?

          My basis that murder is not ok is that I respect other people even if I disagree with them, and I acknowledge that it is disrespectful and not right for me to end their life, even if I think I have a good reason for it. I wouldn't want someone to do that to me, so I don't do that to others. See? You can use reason and logic to have morals.

          Here is an interesting quote on ethics and religion.

          "Traditionally, the more important link between religion and ethics was that religion was thought to provide a reason for doing what is right, the reason being that those who are virtuous will be rewarded by an eternity of bliss while the rest roast in hell."

    • Pam Dunn

      warning; troll poo spew above from john.

      • Adamsbrew78

        Petty.

    • Bob Pegram

      The biblical penalty for rape is death. You said, "There is a lot of scripture in the Bible that speaks in favor of rape." so you obviously don't know the Bible. Learn what you are talking about before you speak.

      • John

        "Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight."

        2 Samuel 12:11

        “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

        Deuteronomy 22:28-29

  • George Moneo

    Excellent. I've always said that "atheism" is as much a religion as any other. This proves my point. They cannot not talk about their "faith."

    (BTW, the last name of my favorite poet is spelled Eliot.)

    • John

      "They cannot not talk about their "faith.""

      What faith?

      • George Moneo

        Their "faith" is the belief in the Godless universe of scientific materialism. They are as profoundly "religious" about it as the most devout Wahhabist...

        • John

          So you are telling them what their faith is? You know there are many Christians who also believe in science, right?

    • Uptite

      Absurdity! If they do not believe in a "higher being" and only Science as the sole creator of our existence, , how can you propose Atheism as a Religion??

      • Bobseeks

        Because religion is about faith and it takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian. Why? Because there is absolutely no proof that GOD does not exist and there is all of creation as proof that GOD does exist. Atheists have their own dogma, their own own mythology (evilution), their own demigods (darwin, hawkings), and their own saints (dawkins, singer, et al).

        • $27121859

          Exactly, who created the first atom? There is no explanation for that.

        • John

          So because there is no explanation, then it is proof that God did it?

          You know that 100 years ago, there were many things that science couldn't explain and so were attributed to religion. Now we understand much more and can accurately give a scientific reason for them.

        • posthuf

          John, I may not be able to prove to your satisfaction that God does exist, but you will never be able to prove to me that He does not.

          And we'll both use the same science!

        • John

          The difference is, I'm not making all kinds of statements based on something that has no proof.

        • Pam Dunn

          sure you are; yours are from total ignornce

        • Steven

          YES YOU ARE making all kinds of statements without evidence.

        • John

          For example?

        • I_P_Frehley

          Display the unbroken evolutionary line from single cell organism to modern man. You can't, because there isn't one. How old is homo sapien? How do you explain precise cuts and angles in the stones at Machu Picchu? How were the Naszca Lines made with such precision and why were they made?

        • John

          I see you have trouble following the conversation. The person I responded to said that I make statements without evidence. I asked what statements.

          So what on earth are you talking about? I'm going to guess you're arguing for creationism here. Can you explain how answering any of those questions will help you prove creationism? If you'd like, you can present what evidence you think you have for creationism.

        • Steven

          For example: ALL of your comments.

        • Bob Pegram

          The Bible says atheists would not believe God even if they had evidence so why waste our time giving them evidence?

        • Bob Pegram

          The preponderance of the evidence points to God. You were taught by people who hate - or refuse to admit the existence of - God. Why do you make the outlandish claim that you are objective?
          You couldn't possibly have been exposed to any of the multitude of things that are unexplainable any other way.
          However, the real issue is that you are your own god and refuse to dethrone your fallible self with an infallible, but superior to you, God. Evidence would do no good by itself.

        • John

          "The preponderance of the evidence points to God. "

          Can you name any?

        • Pastafarian

          There is no shame in saying "I don't know".

        • John

          Exactly! It should be considered humble! Pretending you know everything and have all the answers, even if evidence contradicts it, is a pompous and arrogant belief system that isn't about absolute truth, just its version of it.

        • Pastafarian

          Creation by God asks the same types of questions. What happened before the creation of the universe? What existed? How long did God exist before the creation of the universe? Was he alone in a void? Are there other Gods? Other universes? What is the universe made of? Did God create other populated worlds? Did he send his son to those worlds too? Is there really a realm beyond death and how does that exist in the universe? Is it another dimension? Does it include animals? Other civilizations? How do you spend your time in the afterlife? Eternity is a long time - what do you do?
          Religion does not have all the answers either.

        • John

          All very good points - glad to see you posting here. Critical thinking never hurts and those questions are honest and interesting ones.

          Sometimes I like to ask - what if God created the Big Bang? Because it seems like most people believe they have to be mutually exclusive. The whole argument of origin is stuck in such a binary. One or the other, creationism vs big bang/evolution, no room for different options. That is silly, since we have no answers, so how do we know that the choices are limited to 2?

        • Bob Pegram

          Your questions assumes something created by God - TIME. Atheists can make NO sense out of anything without borrowing from God.

        • Steven

          Pretending you know everything and have all the answers, even if evidence contradicts it, is a pompous and arrogant belief system

          It is also YOUR sole purpose for commenting.

        • John

          Knowing more than you doesn't mean I have all the answers. I always admit when I don't know something. I just don't have a habit of talking about things that I don't know anything about.

        • Steven

          You have not yet demonstrated you know ANYTHING, let alone more than ANYONE. You HAVE demonstrated you BELIEVE you know more than EVERYONE. You do NOT always admit you don't know something. If you did, you wouldn't have made ANY of your comments to this article.

        • Bob Pegram

          No Christian claims to have all the answers. A Christian claims to have some answers from the person who has all the answers - a BIG difference.

        • John

          uh....you're saying they do have all the answers, they're just borrowing them from God. What's the difference?

        • Bob Pegram

          No human can comprehend EVERYTHING. Our brains would explode. In addition, some things are beyond our ability to understand them. So I don't have all the answers, just the most important basic ones.

        • John

          I see you weren't able to respond to any of the important points. For example:

          1. The "preponderance" of evidence that points to God
          2. The quote I gave you which showed rape being talked about favorably in the Bible.

        • fliteking

          The Fascist Left, including the hissing, attacking vanguard of unhappy homosexuals, seek to intimidate decent moral folks with their incessant litany of "hate", "racist" and "intolerant" accusations. - Galt

        • John

          "Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promotes the mass mobilization of the national community, relying on a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation on fascist principles. Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism"

          Ultra-nationalism and militarism. Hrm....who does that sound like.....

          Liberal democracy (left) and fascism are opposites. You'd know that if you weren't absolutely ignorant.

        • John

          So since there is no explanation (yet), it must be God?

        • John

          "Because there is absolutely no proof that GOD does not exist"

          Um, you mean, there is no proof that he does exist? You are welcome to show me what proof you have. You also have no proof for creationism, like you claim.

          Evolution is not restricted to atheists. There are many Christians who believe in it. Darwin and Hawkings are not demi-gods. They are respected people, and Hawkings has nothing to do with religion. You mentioned Dawkins twice, running out of ideas?

        • posthuf

          God and a atheist were having a discussion over whether He was real or not. God said, "Let's bake an apple pie. Mine will come out better. That will prove I Am real."

          God got busy prepping, the atheist reached for an apple.

          God said, "No, no. You must create your own apples. You don't get to use mine. Or my wheat for flower, or my milk for butter, or ...."

        • John

          Haha, I like that joke. Humor is always important, even when we disagree. Here's a joke for you :)

          Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

          He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

          He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

          Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

        • I_P_Frehley

          Funny, but you mentioned the "H" word.

        • Bob Pegram

          You are stealing jokes from Emo Phillips. The point of the joke is a person who doesn't apply what he thinks he believes. The contradiction makes it funny.

          In the apple pie joke, atheists are shown to borrow biblical ideas to accomplish anything. If everything is just atoms and the resulting chemicals interacting, then "truth" has no meaning. It is an abstract idea. Truth, logic, morals, etc. are all abstract ideas. Abstract ideas are not products of a physical universe. You are arguing abstract ideas with no basis for doing so. There is no way for you to know if what you sense with your eyes, ears, touch, etc. is being processed accurately by your brain, whether you can then have the chemical reactions necessary to get any meaning from it, etc. Without an absolute morality, abstract meaning, etc. it is pointless anyway. Satre finally came to that conclusion and committed suicide since, from his materialistic point of view, it made no difference anyway.

        • John

          Same for you. All that you said could be a bunch of rubbish. That's basically what you're saying to me. So why should your words have any more truth? Why bother saying anything? You're basically saying everything you believe in as well is just as abstract and possibly false, since you don't know if your senses are playing tricks on you. Pretty silly argument.

        • Bob Pegram

          I have an external basis for my beliefs - the maker of the universe who knows and created all things has given me a written record of a lot of truths.
          You have no objective basis for your beliefs because, based on your own way of looking at things, you have no absolute truth, only "best" guesses.

        • John

          Why are you assuming you know what my beliefs are? Your absolute truth is a book, written by mortals, supposedly containing the word of God. God has not given you any record. Stop trying to misrepresent the history of the Bible.

    • MarkusReborn

      Atheism IS a religion. It is a belief about God.... a belief that He doesn't exist. A (without) THEISM (Belief about God). And if I'm not mistaken, Atheists have churches.... Hello... it IS a religion.

      • John

        What churches do atheists have?

        • MarkusReborn
        • John

          Very interesting and I appreciate the link, but you saying that having a church is proof that it is a religion is a bit misleading. In the article it says: "one where people who are not religious can find community with others like them."

          Churches offer a lot more than just sharing religion.

        • petroskhan

          One of the definitions of "religion", according to Merriam-Webster, is this:

          "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"

          Sounds like atheism to me.

        • John

          Except there is no faith in atheism.

        • petroskhan

          Again, I refer you to Webster's, where, under faith, we find:

          "something that is believed especially with strong conviction;"

          So, Atheists don't have strong conviction? Good to know.

        • John

          Any reason why you are omitting the first 2 defintions and only including the third one?

          2. a (1) belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion

          And under religion, you omit the first definition

          (1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural

          Can you explain why you are consistently such a dishonest little person?

        • petroskhan

          Yes, there is an excellent reason for not using the definitions you've cited. They are not relevant to the topic. The topic is atheism, not Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, or any other.

          All of the definitions listed under each word are all valid definitions of each word, giving us detail on what the word does (or can) mean.

          And no, I can't explain why I'm "consistently such a dishonest person", for the same reason you can't explain why you like sweet pickle relish and cheddar cheese on your strawberry ice cream. Because it's not true.

        • John

          So now atheism is not related to religion? Oh boy.

          a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
          b : the doctrine that there is no deity

          So yes, it is absolutely relevant to the topic. But you want to pick the non-religious definitions. And then say you're not dishonest. Teehee.

        • petroskhan

          I'm sorry..."Teehee"? What?

          Anyway...for a great many words, there are several definitions listed, in order to cover a variety of topics. If you want to choose a definition that does NOT apply, then attempt to make your point by pointing to that one, how is that any different than me choosing the one I felt was appropriate? I picked the "non-religious" definition because it suited to topic. Call that what you like. It is totally immaterial to me.

        • John

          Did you forget the progression of this conversation? The original poster said atheism was a religion. So why are you picking the non-religious definitions? That isn't the topic, but it does suit your attempts to spin the topic. Atheism is the lack of religious belief. So if you want to talk about faith, you need to talk about it in the religious sense, because you are trying to argue atheism is a religion. But since that doesn't work, you need to get "creative".

        • fliteking

          John thinks opinions can equal dishonesty. That is funny. Simple, but funny.

        • John

          Nah, although I can see how it would make sense to you, since you regularly hide your dishonesty by pretending "it's just my opinion".

        • Bob Pegram

          John - How is it dishonest to use one of three definitions for a word when they are alternative definitions? Any one can apply to something with the other two not being applicable. How hard is that to understand?

        • John

          I already answered that - because the person was trying to claim that atheism was a religion.

        • Deltarose

          Are u ok? How can you not talk about these other things when talking about Atheism, when this is JUST what they are about? What else could one possibly talk about? Though the only one they really attack is Christianity, because they believe in God, Satan has the others so, no need to bother them.

        • petroskhan

          "Satan has the others so, no need to bother them."

          Good point. Never looked at it that way.

        • Bob Pegram

          John - they are alternative definitions of the word, not cumulative definitions. Faith can be any one (or more) of the three definitions. petroskhan can omit 2 of the 3 definitions and still have his statement be true.

        • Scott Knowles

          Takes a lot of faith to fight against something you claim to not believe in.

        • John

          That is one complex way to say I don't believe in something. There are many gods that you also don't believe in.

        • Bob Pegram

          Many atheists look at government as their god. They look to government for salvation in this life for absolute control to supposedly help the most people (it doesn't), to government as the first solution for problems. That is why they fight so visciously when Christians work to get government to reflect biblical morality. In effect, that is attempting to dethrone the atheist's god. Washington, DC - and, more specifically, Congress is one of the atheists' gods.

        • John

          No, they don't. That's a ridiculous statement to make. You are under the same control by the government as an atheist is. So then you could say the same about you, as a Christian.

      • George Moneo

        Thanks, Markus. Somebody finally got my point.

  • $27121859

    Atheists are defined by what they do not believe not by what they believe.

  • posthuf

    >"They would argue that all things and actions are permissible except those things and actions that hurt or trample on the rights of others."<

    If they actually believed that statement, why do they press so strongly against any public form of religious expression, any teaching of religious beliefs, and any public prayer - even a Catholic saying grace before he eats his Big Mac?

    The fact is they have NO basis for moral values EXCEPT the Judeo- Christian system of ideals that have been encoded since Moses!

    Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/11541/american-atheists-show-they-need-god-to-survive/#ixzz2XumauQ76

    • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

      "If they actually believed that statement, why do they press so strongly against any public form of religious expression, any teaching of religious beliefs, and any public prayer - even a Catholic saying grace before he eats his Big Mac?"

      I could care less about public forms of woo woo religious expression. In America, we are all but surrounded by it. Pray before, during, and after your Big Mac. Atheists could care less. Now....government endorsing or enforcing that kind of superstitious nonsense is quite another thing entirely, and we will fight it (and win) at every chance.

      • Scott Knowles

        How about refusing to make a wedding cake for gays and being sued? Having a cross on a soldiers grave as tradition dictates? Putting a stable scene up on public display on the city hall lawn with other displays?

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "How about refusing to make a wedding cake for gays and being sued?"

          I'd feel the same about someone refusing to make a wedding cake for an interracial couple. It's discriminatory, and in most cities, against the law.

          "Having a cross on a soldiers grave as tradition dictates?"

          Some traditions. Not all. Publicly representing all deceased? NO. Personal grave, personal marker....Don't care.

          "Putting a stable scene up on public display on the city hall lawn with other displays?"

          If all groups are allowed a display, there is no discrimination.

        • Scott Knowles

          "I'd feel the same about someone refusing to make a wedding cake for an interracial couple. It's discriminatory, and in most cities, against the law."

          That is because it is a civil rights issue, though in some states you can refuse service for any reason. In the case of a gay wedding cake, they are not refusing all services, but just that one, a birthday cake, etc. on religious grounds. It would violate their faith.

          It is not like it used to be pre-civil rights era, where folks were people are kept from going into stores because of race. You do not like how they serve you, go to another store, tell your friends on Yelp, FB, etc. how bad it is. That is your right.

          "Some traditions. Not all. Publicly representing all deceased? NO. Personal grave, personal marker....Don't care."

          Most military traditions do. Those that do should not be hindered, yet groups do try to have them removed.

          "If all groups are allowed a display, there is no discrimination."

          All groups are allowed, yet atheist groups target those also, saying it causes them pain to see them.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          " a birthday cake, etc. on religious grounds. It would violate their faith."

          And if there is a law in place that says you can't discriminate services based on sexual orientation (as there are in many many cities) then you are breaking the law. Stop wrapping up your bigotry in religion.

          " You do not like how they serve you, go to another store, tell your friends on Yelp, FB, etc. how bad it is:"

          So you have no problem with discrimination and see it as a traditional American right. Lovely.

          "All groups are allowed, yet atheist groups target those also, saying it causes them pain to see them."

          Prove it.

        • Scott Knowles

          "And if there is a law in place that says you can't discriminate services based on sexual orientation (as there are in many many cities) then you are breaking the law. Stop wrapping up your bigotry in religion."

          It's wrong and is against the Constitution, but yes, some have ignored it.

          "So you have no problem with discrimination and see it as a traditional American right. Lovely."

          Not discriminating, refusing a service on religious grounds. And actually many could get around the laws you mention by just stating they are busy and cannot make a cake for them without saying why. But as we try to be honest, we get nailed.

          "Prove it"

          http://gothamist.com/2011/07/29/atheists_say_911_cross_is_causing_t.php

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "It's wrong and is against the Constitution, but yes, some have ignored it."

          Laws against discrimination are wrong and "against the Constitution"? Yeah, like I said you obviously consider discrimination to be a traditional American right. Fortunately, your numbers are few.

          "Not discriminating, refusing a service on religious grounds."

          Yeah, refusing a service on religious grounds IS discrimination. Once again, stop wrapping up your bigotry in religion. PLENTY of religious folks find NO fault and NO reason to discriminate against homosexuals. If you don't like them, then OWN IT. Quit wrapping up your bigotry in pious nonsense.

          Your completely off topic "article" proves nothing. A ridiculously sensationalist headline followed by poorly conceived and written opinion proves nothing. You claimed that Christian manger displays are picketed even though atheists are welcome to put up a display. Still unproven. Unsurprisingly.

        • John

          "Not discriminating, refusing a service on religious grounds. "

          Why is it anyone else's fault that you choose to follow certain discriminatory practices that you have interpreted from the Bible? Equal protection under the law does not mean equal protection unless some religious bigot signs off on it.

        • fliteking

          John has been skipping his meds again . . . getting irrational and confrontational . . . like he has the ability to back it up.

          Soon John's posts will disappear for a few days while his Doctors make him an inpatient and get him "centered" again.

        • Scott Knowles

          Why should I, with my own business have to cater to YOUR beliefs? Why does it have to be YOUR way and not mine? You are not injured or prevented from anything except my service. If you go along this path, then anyone can come along and say "they discriminated against me by closing their store at night which is the only time I can go there!" or some other stupid thing and get away with it.

        • John

          Because when you open a business, you have to follow the laws set forth. Was that hard to follow? Yea, so sorry that there is a Constitution that sets forth equal protection under the law. We'll remove that asap so you can get back to running your version of Shariah law (which, ironically, I'm sure you protest).

          Remember when bigots used the same argument to limit blacks from services? Do you think it was ok then?

          Should we start labeling each person based on their sin, and then limiting the services accordingly? Boy, that sounds like a great time!

          To compare not serving people thus violating the law to business hours is hyperbolic and ridiculous. That's your best argument?

        • Scott Knowles

          "when you open a business, you have to follow the laws set forth"

          And in some states the have rules like that. (http://www.chaponline.com/getting-started/whats-the-difference/religious-freedom-protection-act-of-pennsylvania/)

          "bigots used the same argument to limit blacks from services? Do you think it was ok then"

          Nope, but back then, when the democrats were pushing discrimination of blacks, right minded folks overcame that bigotry and passed civil rights laws despite that party's attempts to prevent it. Now days we are less close minded, despite the continual race baiting of the left, I believe we will persevere.

          "Should we start labeling each person based on their sin, and then limiting the services accordingly?"

          Errr, no. Just not force someone to do something the are against because they believe differently than you.

          "To compare not serving people thus violating the law to business hours is hyperbolic and ridiculous"

          Why is it ridiculous? Once you open the door for one thing why not the other?

        • John

          1. Link doesn't work. Don't see how a homeschool website will help you disprove equal protection under the (federal) law.

          2. Wait, I thought it was ok to deny people service based on your beliefs? Now it's not okay? Not very consistent.

          Ah, yes, the good ol' "democrats are racists, they voted against the civil rights act!". Open your history book, look up "southern democrats". Then look up "southern strategy". Party lines have changed over time, but I see that point is lost on you. Are you ignorant of the history or just misrepresenting it for your purposes?

          3. Why not? Why does homosexuality command such a strong weight as a sin? Can you tell me why you are placing a strong weight on that particular sin versus others? It is a sin like any other. So let's be fair and not misrepresent the scripture by placing unequal weight on that sin. Isn't that why they are being denied service? Because it's a sin? So then anything the bible categorizes as a sin should be punishable in the same way, right? Let's start putting the sins on drivers licenses so we can better see who is a sinner. Homosexuality is an overt sin, so it's easy to spot. So let's make things more fair and label each person based on their sin.

          Oh you want medical procedures done? Well have you sinned lately? Let's see proof. That's the world you want to live in. Sounds great! Just move to the middle-east and leave us alone. Did Jesus come to save sinners or castigate and exclude them? You tell me.

          4. Because denying someone based on a sin is not the same as denying someone based on the hours that are openly posted. Did you need me to explain that to you? I know that the only argument you guys have is the slippery slope argument. That's why you bigots employ the EXACT SAME arguments that were used against legalizing interracial marriage in 1967. Tell me if you recognize the language in the argument delivered by the attn general against interracial marriage in the Loving vs. Virginia case. Then tell me if anyone of the things have come true since this argument was made.

          "It is clear from the most recent available evidence on the psycho-sociological aspect of this question that intermarried families are subjected to much greater pressures and problems then those of the intermarried and that the state's prohibition of interracial marriage for this reason stands on the same footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may marry and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally incompetent."

          Notice any similarities, bigot? Isn't history great? It shows that prejudice is the same regardless of the issue at hand.

        • fliteking

          John is highlighting his (only) two life skills, lying and name calling.

        • John

          Good contribution. Remember that time you pretended I was following you? And that's the reason you were following me? Haha, good times. How's stalking me going? Any fun?

        • fliteking

          John again fails to understand how disqus works.

          John pretends he is being 'stalked' . . . ever the drama queen, John is unaware that stalking is a very frightening scenario in real life for those who are victims of the same.

        • John

          Hahaha. Endless entertainment.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Patrick Star has a third life skill....group masturbation.

          His family practiced it together every Friday night until he was in his 30's, whereupon he moved to the basement for more challenging sexual games, such as: Pin Your Penis To The Donkey, Sh#$ and Ladders, Barrel Of Perverts, My Aunts In Your Pants and Sex Change Operation.

          John, aka Patrick Star will always have issues with life, logic and love. He is unable, due to his delusions to accept the fact he is not, and never will be the mental equal of other site participants; so he becomes angry, aggressive and then, self abusive with sharp objects.

          John is a tool. He loves being used as that is all he has in life, and we enjoy using him for our personal pleasure and amusement.

          One final thought, he also suffers from manic depression and can often been seen on his front porch contemplating his next move in life.

        • Guest

          "In the case of a gay wedding cake, they are not refusing all services, but just that one, a birthday cake, "

          A wedding cake actually. And yes, that IS a service.

          " It would violate their faith."

          Then they shouldn't be in that line of work.

        • Scott Knowles

          "Then they shouldn't be in that line of work."

          Thus violating their Constitutional right to pursuit of Happiness.

        • John

          Pursuit of happiness ends when you start infringing on someone else's rights.

        • fliteking

          It is impossible to apply rational thought you your post, the post is ridiculous.

        • Guest

          Like your posts.

          Too bad we just can't outlaw stupid.

        • John

          Thanks and I agree.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Yep. The guest agrees. He likes your stupid posts.

        • Scott Knowles

          What right? There is no right to be served.

        • John

          You are wrong.

          "Colorado Law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on certain protected classes (characteristics). Examples of prohibited discriminatory practices include: terms of service; denial of full and equal service; intimidation; failure to accommodate; access; conditions; privileges; advertising; and retaliation. A place of public accommodation can be a: bar; restaurant; financial institution; school or educational institution; health club; theater; hospital; museum or zoo; hotel or motel; public club; retail store; medical clinic; public transportation; nursing home; recreational facility or park; and library.

          Colorado law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on actual or perceived sexual orientation. By legal definition, sexual orientation means heterosexuality, homosexuality (lesbian or gay), bisexuality, and transgender status. Transgender status means a gender identity or gender expression that differs from societal expectations based on gender assigned at birth."

          http://cdn.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/DORA-DCR/CBON/DORA/1251629367385

        • Scott Knowles

          Sigh...You are right, that is a LAW that forces those in Colorado to do just that. And will probably be challenged, overturned, or in what has happened where a local government has exceeded a people's RIGHTS under the Constitution, then the area will lose businesses as they go elsewhere (as in the several gun companies that are moveing out of Colorado due to its LAWs)

          With a balanced system, these things would take less time to work out, but since the country is being run into the ground, best just to leave states which do not treat their people right and let them fall apart.

        • John

          Uh, what are you talking about? Read the fourteenth amendment. It's very clear. But since there are bigots like yourself out there, we have to pass special laws to make sure minorities receive their constitutional rights, just like we had to with the civil rights act.

          Why do you think it's okay to discriminate against people?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Homosexuality is NOT about race...it's about perverted behavior.

          There is no such thing as a "homosexual race" so discrimination is not possible...it's a lifestyle.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          For someone named "nasa", you are surprisingly ignorant about science.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          No kidding.

          So homosexuality behavior is now a science?

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          The study of human sexuality has always been a science. There are countless studies, peer reviewed research papers, and sociological studies on many many aspects of the subject. Try using a handy website called "google" and do some research.....or just remain blissfully ignorant on the subject. That's fine.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Ignorance can be cured....let me help you.

          Not one scientific study has EVER shown there to be a genetic reason for the practice of homosexuality.

          Homosexuals, aka perverts, are NOT a race of people.

          All scientific studies (none done by NASA by the way dumbass) have proven that homosexuality is a personal choice that can be promoted and influenced by home and society, and NOT genetics.

          Perverts want there to be a genetic reason to rationalize their behavior. They can then run around justifying their perversion with the excuse, "I was born this way."

          Peter Bearman and Hannah Bruckner of Yale furnished proof that, "gays are NOT born that way."

          "If gays are “born that way,” then the concordance rate in identical twins should be 100%. If one twin is
          gay, the other one ought to be 100% of the time since they share identical DNA. After all, if one identical twin is tall so is the other.If one is blond, so is the other. If one has green eyes and red hair, so does the other.

          But what Bearman and Bruckner found, after studying data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, is that the concordance rate is only 6.7% for males and 5.3% for female identical twins. This is overwhelming scientific proof that homsoexuality is not genetically determined."

          “Evolutionarily speaking, if homosexuality was solely a genetic trait, scientists would expect the trait to eventually disappear because homosexuals wouldn't be expected to reproduce.” I’ve often observed that Darwinians should be even more resolutely opposed to
          the normalization of homosexuality than evangelicals, since the whole point of evolution is the propagation of the species."

          Speaking of "blissfully ignorant on the subject" I agree. You are delusional, uneducated and living in a fantasy world.

          PS: NASA. National Aeronautical and SPACE Administration.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "Not one scientific study has EVER shown there to be a genetic reason for the practice of homosexuality."

          You went from not knowing that science was used to study human sexuality to knowing all about it and yet still getting all the facts completely wrong. Funny that.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          I did? No kidding? With a degree in Zoology and a minor in Genetics, I'm sure I don't know nearly as much as you.

          We'll just drop this now as you'll continue to circumnavigate reality and replace it with your own.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Religious faggotry is insane...

          All men are born of a woman.

          Both Darwin and the book of Genesis say this.

  • ICOYAR

    Without God, anything is possible. Which is why all atheist regimes committed mass genocide without consequence.

    • John

      With God, anything is possible. You just need to repent afterwards.

      • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

        "Evolution is not restricted to atheists. There are many Christians who believe in it."

        Simpleton.

        Pay attention boys. John, aka Patrick Star is really easy...and cheap.

        • Deltarose

          Sorry, then they aren't Christians. they can call themselves anything they want-which is why the Christians have such a bad rep today. Evolution erases God as creator-His "Presidential insignia". You cannot believe in evolution and also believe in God the Creator! What kind of idiotic, hypocritical thinking is that? I hesitate to call myself by the term "Christian" anymore because, just anyone claims to be one-the proof is in the fruit-like movie stars-who continue to make bad movies but, claim they are Christians. Most do not understand what it really means to be a follower of Christ, they try to keep one foot in the world and one in the "church". You can't ride the fence, you can't burn both ends of the candle! You can give it a bad name.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "Evolution is not restricted to atheists. There are many Christians who believe in it."

          Right. You can't be a Bible believing Christian and have evolution as part of your belief system....they are NOT compatible.

        • movingwaters

          Please, they are still teaching schoolchildren the same evolution material that was forced on us 50 years ago despite the fact that it is known to be blatant lies. If I committed fraud like that I would be in jail. Evolution makes no sense to people that think for themselves. The theory has been around since Plato. It's nothing but a vehicle to promote the religion of atheism. When you are your own god you have a might small god. God is the Creator. He started science. Look around you at the abundance of His Creation. His Word says He is going to point that out to you as the evidence that you are without excuse.

          Satan only has to keep you distracted a little while and then he gets to take you to the kingdom you chose when you rejected Jesus.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          RIGHT ON!!

          Evolution will be shown someday to be the biggest lie ever told to society.

          With new technology and science not available 50 years ago, it's been shown conclusively that evolution is a lie and could not have taken place then, nor now.

          I agree it is Satan's tool....and a good one.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Even the Book of Genesis you threw in the trash says all men are born of a woman.

          You like to post pictures of mens' naked ásses, fellatio must be a part of your kosher diet.

          Judah Maccabees (the Hammer) slaughtered the pagan Greek occupiers and the conspiring complicit kapo Jews right along with them.

          The inability of Jewry to recognize and deal with their own traitors is why Yahweh's wrath is raining down upon them like the rockets of Hamas...

          Your Golden Calf has grown up to be a hollow Bronze Bull and Genesis is thrown in the trash by the likes of Charles Schumer, Michael Bloomberg, George Soros, Dianne Fiendstein, et al... TIKKUN OLAM PAGANISM...

      • movingwaters

        It might seem so to non-believers, since they may be soulish,(mind, will, and emotions) but are spiritually dead. The truth is that if you really receive the sacrifice made by God for your redemption, you actually do become a brand new creation. The sin nature is removed and God's Spirit does take up residence inside. If you abide in Christ and He abides in you your mind becomes more like His and you increasingly see how bad sin really is and not want it in your life. You can't get in touch with your Spirit; it's not like the mind or body. But you can find excellent Bible teaching. You can ask the indwelling Holy Spirit (for true Christians) for help in understanding the Bible. It should function similarly to having Jesus with you because He is. The Bible is written to the heart, not the head. I still remember how the Bible opened up after I really received Jesus. And after I received the separate Baptism of the Holy Spirit love and devotion really filled my heart. I know you don't understand this as it is "foolishness to those who don't believe".

        Note: the % of actual Christians in the US is much smaller that poll numbers show. Satan believes. Intellectual acceptance of Jesus is not the same as life changing relationship.

        Hope you have a little more understanding that Christianity is not just some get-out-of-hell free card. It's true that all Christians can get frustrated or just be in the flesh. We can mess us, say wrong things, have a wrong heart about something and need to come to God about it so that we can slowly have the character of Christ formed inside us. This is the work of a lifetime but should show consistent progress. The problem is many people get "saved" and never grow from there. This is best explained by the parable of the farmer sowing seed. Google it.

        • Bob Pegram

          "life changing relationship" is really surrender to God. Atheists are their own individual gods, therefore, they can't surrender to another god. That would be de-throning themselves as god.

        • movingwaters

          You are right, but I want to show some grace because of the abundance of truly bad and unbalanced "Christian" teaching in my home. All fear and no love. Unfortunately, I spent most of my life away from God because I just thought He was so bad, almost schizophrenic. This was religion, not the Cross.I was definitely not going to worship that god. It took right teaching and the love and grace of God give me this joy I now have. I tend to have loving kindness toward agnostics and want them to see that God is brilliant and magnificent, good and holy. Atheists are different; they seem hard and arrogant. But one can hope that many of those atheists have not entirely hardened their hearts toward God.BTW, I am so much happier sitting at the feet of Jesus than on my throne!

        • Bob Pegram

          I see your point. Without God's love, we are doomed.

          I will talk to anybody who will listen and interact with honest questions and comments. If they just want to argue that is a waste of the time God is giving me. If they are genuinely interested (as far as I can tell), that is the Holy Spirit working in them.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Understand that John, aka Patrick Star is nothing more then a bottom dwelling spineless starfish who trolls around this site only to "get off" He has no direction in life, lives with his mother and suffers from a number of STD afflictions.

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      Do you think the reason Stalin ordered the death of millions was
      because of his lack of religion? Not because he was an evil man? Not
      because he was a tyrant who loved power? Not because he was a
      totalitarian? No, none of those things you think influenced him. You
      think he did it because of a lack of religion.

      • petroskhan

        "Not because he was an evil man?" By what standards? "Evil" according to what guidelines?

        "...a tyrant who loved power?" What follower of Christ could possibly fit that description?

        It is exactly the qualities you mention that come from a lack of respect for the guidelines set forth by God. You're arguing against yourself here.

        • John

          LOL. And you are arguing with a bot. Good job.

      • Deltarose

        Lack of God-not religion-was why he was what he was and did what he did-Satan is behind all this, through out history.

      • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

        Interesting.

  • metheoldsarge

    Why does it always seem to be Christians and Jews these atheists go after? How come I never hear of them going against the Muslims Hindus or Buddhists? Put up a Nativity in a public place and they are all over you demanding it be removed. When Muslims close down a street to have a big prayer gathering, it seems the atheists are nowhere to be seen. Christians and Jews are not allowed to pray in public places or schools but Muslims and Buddhists can. Not long after 911 a public school in California set up Muslim Awareness classes. Why weren't the atheists screaming bloody murder about that? I have a few atheist friends that respect my Christian beliefs and also have taught their children to do the same. Them I have no problem with. The ones that try to make a public spectacle and try to jam their unbelieving rhetoric down my throat are, in my opinion, nothing but shameless grand-standers. Some simple research can show a small up and coming group. It is small now but their numbers are growing everyday. Some have already gotten into our Congress and the courts. Democrat Representatives Andre Carson, from Indiana and Keith Ellison from Minnesota. We also have Judges Mark Martin from Pennsylvania. David Turfe from Michigan. Sohail Mohammad from New Jersey. Halim Dhanidina from California. David Shaheed from Indiana. The list goes on. What the two congressman and the judges have in common is that they all are Muslims. Representatives Carson and Ellison want the public schools to model the Madrassas and the Quran as their foundation. Carson made that point on May 26 last year in one of his speeches. I wonder if the atheists real motivation isn't more Anti-Christian or Anti-Semite than anything else. I challenge them to prove me wrong and go after Muslims Hindus or Buddhists just as vigorously as they go after Christians and Jews and show me that they are not the hypocrites I believe they are.

    • petroskhan

      The reason atheists go after Christians is simple. The "turn the other cheek" philosophy fits rather well with the bullying tactics atheist enjoy. Trying that same thing on Muslims could get a man killed. Bullies don't like people who fight back.

      • John

        Uh, no. We have disagreements with Christians because you want to use your religion to dictate the laws we have. Which goes directly against the first amendment and is unconstitutional. That's why. If you kept your religion to yourelf, I don't think anyone would care. That's why you don't see atheists really quarreling with Hindus, or Sikhs, or Muslims, or any other religion. Because they mostly keep their religion a private matter. But Christians looooove to deny people their rights and then argue that they are justified in doing so.

        • Scott Knowles

          So those Muslims pushing for Sharia are okay? I mean, heck, if they want to be able to behead gays they should right? Dearborn, MI is going full on Islamic.

          Actually the 1st Amendment protects against laws preventing the practice of religion. If what your doing harms no one, then your covered. That is why atheist groups like to say "that cross hurts me when I see it"

          Most of those, yes, they are introspective, and do far less serving than say Christians and Catholics. Why does/did America have such a great healthcare system, state of the art for many years (we have been passed over by Israel)? Because of the work put into it by them. They built the first hospitals, maintain clinics, shelters for men, women, kids. They feed and cloth the poor, rehabilitate many, get them working, off drugs. Buddhist, Sikhs or Muslims do the same? Nope.

          So, we deny people their rights? Help them every which way we can, save lives and because we chose to not make a darn cake, we are evil?

          Muslims CONSTANTLY kill people that they disagree with, Christians, Jews, gays, infidels (atheists). They stone women, mutilate their genitals, rape them (and kill them because they were if they do not have 4 MALE witnesses to protect them!), put bombs on children and have them blow themselves up, AND THEY ARE THE RELIGION OF PEACE?

        • John

          No, that is not ok. Didn't you understand the point I was making? Which is that basing laws on religion goes against the first amendment. And yes-those other religions do help in the same ways. Why is it so hard to keep your religion to yourself? Why would believers of other religions want to be ruled by laws based on your religion?

        • Scott Knowles

          I understood. You didn't. The 1st Amendment's first part is ALL about protecting religion from the government's interference. And as long as it does not interfere with someone's Life, Liberty, or Pursuit (not guarantee) of Happiness, then the religious act should be safe.

          As for the other religions helping, prove it, I have NEVER seen a Muslim Hospital serving everyone, the same with the others, in America mind you.

        • John

          Then why did DOMA get struck down as unconstitutional?

        • Scott Knowles

          It was not struck down, all that they did was to (Federally) enable homosexuals to make tax claims in the states that already recognize SSM, in fact, one judge made a 7 page dissertation on that this was a state's right to decide and not a Federal one and he stands with states however they decide (this was one of the 5 judges "against" it (DOMA)) and in the future would vote such in any cases coming to them.

        • John

          DOMA was struck down. What are you talking about? The act was ruled unconstitutional, so what are you in denial about?

          And you supporting Scalia for wanting it to be a states issue still means that the federal issue which is DOMA, is wrong.

          The good guys won, sorry. Better luck next time trying to unconstitutionally restrict certain people's rights based on your beliefs.

        • Scott Knowles

          Sigh, the Court struck down Section 3 of the law, meaning that the federal government cannot define marriage for its own federal policies and federal laws, but must accept whatever states decide. The ruling does not affect Section 2, which says that no state is required to recognize another state’s redefinition of the institution.

        • John

          Indeed, that is so. It is a huge victory as now same sex couples are able to have the same federal marriage benefits (over 1 thousand) that you enjoy as standard. Isn't it crazy what you have to do to get equal rights?

          Why do you think they don't deserve the same rights as you?

        • Scott Knowles

          Focus on the Family President Jim Daly: “It did not create a federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage — as it did for abortion in 1973. It also did not declare same-sex marriage a civil right on the order of ethnicity or nationality. The critical role of marriage is not diminished by this decision.”

          I for one would like the government OUT of marriage entirely, leaving the legal aspects to a sheet signed by a person at a court house to modify benefits as needed (like a will)

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Why did DOMA get struck down as unconstitutional?

          Simple answer...

          Religious faggotry.

          All men are born of a woman.

        • John

          You mean it violated the equal protection clause? Yes, I agree. What does being born of a woman have to do with anything? Does it make you mad that people are getting equal rights as guaranteed by the constitution?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Why not polyandry or polygyny?

          Monogamy as an ecclesiastic religious rule violates equal protection of INDIVIDUALS.

          It is religious fåggotry.

        • John

          I'm fine with polygamy. Did you march at your local gay pride to show support and celebrate this monumental win for equal rights?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          I support the Islamic execution of homosexuals...

          Broken clocks are right twice a day.

        • John

          But then you'd be executed.

        • John

          So, tell me, I'm curious, why do you think homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as you?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Monogamy is not equality for individuals...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          They have all the rights dumb ass.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "Why not polyandry or polygyny?"

          What is "polygyny" Is that a perverted act practiced by Pygmies?

          Please share with us what you're talking about here.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          You're wasting your time with John, aka Patrick Star, butt buddy of Winston Blake.

          They both are products of incest.

          They are pictured here out for a "walk" together.

        • Eagle2758

          Why do we have laws and where did they come from,eh.

        • John

          If the Bible didn't say that murder was wrong and a sin, would you think it was ok to do?

        • Scott Knowles

          But it doesn't, and that was the OT guidelines, the NT goes a bit further (Matt 7:12).

          And actually the Bible is a true moral compass, where atheists seem to have no discernible one except through what is gained from the Bible, but only when it suits them.

        • John

          Ah, a moral compass aka you need to be told what is right or wrong. So if murder/adultery/take your pick weren't in the bible as a sin, you would find no problem doing those things? Is that what you're saying?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          You would.

        • Scott Knowles

          The Bible.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Monogamy is an ecclesiastic religious rule of law.

          All men are born of a woman... mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual.

          Monogamous gay marriage is religious faggotry... Speak to us O Tootheless One!

        • John

          "Monogamy is an ecclesiastic religious rule of law."

          Really, according to what religion?

          What of all the stories in the Bible of polygamy?

          The first polygamist mentioned in the Bible is Lamech, whose two wives were Adah and Zillah (Gen 4:19). Abraham's wives were Sarah, Hagar (Gen 16:3, 21:1-13), Keturah (Gen 25:1), and concubines (who are referred to as "wives" in other parts of the Bible) (Gen 25:6). Jacob's four wives are Leah and Rachel (Gen 29:28) and despite an oath with their father Laban to not take any additional wives (Gen 31:48-54), Jacob took Bilhah (Gen 30:4) and Zilpah (Gen 30:9). Moses' two wives were Zipporah (Ex 2:21, Ex 18:1-6) and an Ethiopian woman (Num 12:1).

          I could go on.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          The Koran permits a man to have as many as four wives...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Try to spell "Koran" correctly....it's Quran. Dumb a#$.

          We'd all like to have a good laugh, so please share with us which arrogant illiterate men you are referring too and how their illiteracy started a war....and please share with us which wars you're referring
          too.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500 words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          The U.S. State Dept. and the Euro-socialist left tried to steal the Russian elections for their comrades in the Communist party through non-profit NGOs... (The reason the Russian government clamped down on non-profit groups.)

          They failed and Putin beat them... So, you had that Russian punk rock group (who were on the US State Dept. payroll) stage the silly attack against the Russian Orthodox Church and Madonna was flown in as a provocateur.

          The Russians don't have gay pride marches with their army... Putin knows a Marxist when he sees one.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Please share with us which arrogant illiterate men you are referring too and how their illiteracy started a war....and please share with us which wars you're referring too.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500 words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          OH PLEASE DON'T GO ON.....JUST GO AWAY.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Really. Using big words you don't know the meaning of does NOT make you appear intelligent.

          Let's see, men are born of a woman. Who are women born of? Men? They gave birth to themselves? Deep!

          Perverts (like you) don't like monogamy. They like boloney with a side of thighs.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Dearbornistan...

          Buddha wasn't a Christian, but Yeshua would have been a good Buddhist.

          Buddhism comes from India, they conquered all of Asia and didn't have to kill anyone doing it...

          This is why the Maoists and Marxists murdered all of the monks and desecrated Buddhist temples when they invaded Mongolia after WW2.

        • petroskhan

          "If you kept your religion to yourelf, I don't think anyone would care.
          That's why you don't see atheists really quarreling with Hindus, or
          Sikhs, or Muslims, or any other religion."

          I'm afraid you're going to have let me know what planet you live on, where Muslims keep their religion to themselves.

          Also, I would enjoy hearing what rights you feel have been denied to you by those horrible Christians you enjoy criticizing.

        • John

          What Muslim beliefs have been passed into law which strip you of your rights?

          Regarding what rights are being restricted by Christians, how about gay rights for starters? Tell me, why do you think that more than 10 million people don't deserve the same rights as you?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Let's see, as a gay Muslim, you'd know all about this.

          Perverts like you have the same rights as everyone else....what rights are you denied as a pervert?

          Now, don't bring up the subject of marriage as that is not a right, but a privilege and it is defined as a union between a man and woman.

          You are not a "race of perverts" similar to a "race of blacks" so skin color is not an argument for discrimination.

          So. Again. What rights as a self proclaimed pervert are you being denied?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Muslims execute homosexuals... broken clocks are right twice a day...

          Homosexuals desire their own extinction and Muslims are more than willing to give it to them, so who are we to interfere?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Let's see. Muslims execute homosexuals, and they only do this twice a day? How can a broken clock be right? What if it's a digital clock? What if the clock is not broken. Do they still execute the perverts?

          So if homosexuals desire their own extinction, why are they having sex? Isn't sex necessary for the population to grow? Why haven't the perverts contacted the Muslims to help them out?

        • fliteking

          Still hallucinating that you can return things back to a Germany 1942 scenario. Such a bigoted racist. Anti-Christian too. sad.

        • John

          That doesn't even make sense. Hahahahaha. What an idiot!

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Speaking of idiots....Patrick is back in rare form.

          As I recommended for your butt buddy, Winston, take 500mg of lithium and wash it down with a quart of Annie Greensprings or Lye Water. You'll feel much better about yourself and others.

        • John

          Good contribution. Let me know when you grow up.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          I'm glad to see you're finally agreeing with my comments....there is hope for you yet; although I have my doubts.

          You still don't get it. You're a joke and everyone is laughing AT you...but you seem to like it.

        • John
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Am I suppose to read this or what?

          I'm sure it's just like your other posts; meaningless, avoidance of the topic, more links to articles you cut and pasted. I don't need a laxative right now, so I'll avoid your nonsense.

          You're just a complete waste of my time. I've learned long ago to ignore ALL of your comments and responses.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

        The Bible doesn't say "spread the other cheek."

        Judah Maccabees (the Hammer) slaughtered the pagan Greek occupiers and the conspiring, complicit kapo Jews right along with them.

        The Order of the Dragon stabbed Sultan Murad to Death, they weren't cowardly liberal homosexualists...

        • $24674488

          Where do you come up with this nonsense? Acid?

    • Scott Knowles

      I agree with Petroskhan, but may I also add that we are also targeted by the enemy, that more than anything should make sense of disparate groups like Muslims and gays both attacking us when we are probably better than having Muslims in charge which will likely happen with this train wreck of an administration.

      • Deltarose

        Wonder what the atheist would do if the Muslims said "follow Islam, or die!"

        • Scott Knowles

          Try and pretend to follow. Or the stubborn ones not believing that Muslims kill infidels because their information source, the main stream media says they are peaceful, dies when he is beheaded.

        • Eagle2758

          What about gays? The moooslimes love murdering gays.

        • Deltarose

          They love to murder, period.The thing is if you really look into their practices you would find they practice homosexuality-it starts when they are children. I just happened to watch these videos last night. You may not care for the Christianity part but, it will show you what is going on- or, you can search on your own. But they will kill anyone because, they want to. There's a scripture in Gen. 16:12 that describes them as "wild men living among all the peoples" "http://tomohalloran.com/2013/06/10/watch-must-see-for-all-americans-ann-barnhardt-islamic-sexuality-a-survey-of-evil/

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Broken clocks are right twice a day...

          Homosexuals desire their own extinction and Muslims are willing to give it to them.

          I refuse to interfere, I don't have to...

        • $24674488

          There is so much stupid in this comment, it's hard to comprehend.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          We can't understand a word you say, you are gagging on that donkey pénis...

        • $24674488

          There is so much stupid in this comment, it's hard to comprehend.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You're still a cúm drunk fággot...

        • $24674488

          You are fascinated with all things gay. Why is that?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Your burkha is showing, you stupid queer...

        • $24674488

          DOn't you love me anymore, my sweet gay blade?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • $24674488

          do you work at Wal mart? you're a greeter, right?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Nope... only you fággots go to WalMart...

        • $24674488

          you lie like a rug, i can tell when i've got you. that's where your gay life started, you were abused in a Walmart bathroom by a greeter. It all makes sense now. That is why you're a totally antisocial waste of space who doesn't have a shred of intelligence or logic.Now you're going to call me something else related to your fear of your own sexuality. Please do, it amuses us.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Me too.

          If you read back over his posts to me, for example, he becomes angry, frustrated, aggressive and confused when confronted to explain himself...which he never can. He'll just post more pictures or links and leave it to our imagination as to his message.

          He has been tasked to explain why he clams that "arrogant literate men" caused wars, but again, he refuses to back his statement with any argument...he just posts more links to YouTube.

          I agree this one is more amusing then John, aka Patrick Star.....laugh on!!

        • $24674488

          He's very lonely.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          For sure.

          The only excitement in his life is when the nurse has to change his IV line and give him a sponge bath.

        • $24674488

          i go between imagining he's very old, or very young. Either way, someone abused him.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Absolutely!!

          You can't write this kind of stuff unless you're brain damaged or as you said, abused.

          The truth is probably in the middle: He is a middle aged pervert living with his abusive parents.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Winston Blake is a FU. Note he loves to post links from YouTube without any explanation. He confuses high activity with achievement; he is obsessive compulsive and is probably not a greeter at Wall Mart....they would not hire this clown.

          I'd pretty much ignore this looser and carry on conversations with those who are not mentally ill....like this guy.

        • $24674488

          he's not much of a challenge, you're right, but he rises to the bait so well, it's hard to resist. I like to waste his time, so he has less time for posting racist nonsense.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          You have "our" vote.

          I view clowns such as John, aka Patrick Star, Mr. Blake and others as a video game...like the old "Pong" game. They are a toy and a distraction to an otherwise complicated and stressful day.

          You may have noticed, none of them appear to work for a living and probably live with their parents or in government housing. They all have a very high opinion of themselves and their intelligence.

          We'll be looking for more of your positive feedback on these loosers....we love to laugh at them.

          Here is the mentality you're dealing with....laugh on.

        • $24674488

          you don't even know the difference between a gay and a pedophile.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Notice how he is up against the wall...lack of any meaningful come backs. Just repeats (posts) the same sentences over and over again. He must be expecting a different result from doing the something over and over again...oh wait. That's the definition of insanity.

          I thought our mortal enemy John aka The Starfish was slow thinking and suffered from a personality disorder, but I think he's been moved out of first place by this sociopath.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          All men are born of a woman.

          Posting pictures of naked men is part of your Christian belief?

          "When the fairies are displeased with anybody, they are said to send their elves to pinch them. The ecclesiastics, when they are displeased with any civil state, make also their elves, that is, superstitious, enchanted subjects, to pinch their princes, by preaching sedition; or one prince, enchanted with promises, to pinch another."

          Thomas Hobbes. Leviathan, 1651.

        • $24674488

          Why are you so blatantly gay Winston? No one cares, it's ok

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You suck shít covered donkey cócks.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Now folks, here is an example of a Rocket Scientist and part time High School counselor for you.

          Mr. Blake claims in his bio to like "fast women" but I guarantee you, anyone with a vocabulary like this, matched with his inability to think, much less carry on a logical conversation, has NO chance of dating a woman. I think he means to say in his bio, "fast sheep" or "deceased women."

          He also claims to like "spicy curries" Again, much confusion on his part. He means to write, "spicy cums"

          I did prescribe large doses of lithium taken with Annie Greensprings or Strawberry Hill to help him with the mania and keep him calm, but I doubt he'll take my advise. He likes being the brunt of all the jokes, and has an anal fixation.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You like to post pictures of mens' naked ásses, fellatio must be a part of your kosher diet...

          You're hiding a nasty halal chili dog up your áss?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          This guy lives for stupid.

          He is more fun to laugh at then his butt buddy, John, aka Patrick Star.

          I have yet to see him support any of his nonsense with a valid argument. I don't think he is capable of using 2-3 syllable words much less putting them in a content we can understand.

          I feel like I'm reading comments from a high school drop out or a very low IQ middle age confused radical sociopath.

          Reminds me of Obmummer's diatribes.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "Slavic Christian Orthodoxy?"

          Why don't you explain your comment and enlighten all of us with your intelligence...or are you just picking words and phrases you're clueless about.

          Please keep your dissertation to under 500 words, no YouTube links, no personal opinions, foul language, personal attacks or Hindu prayers.

          Good luck.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You post pictures of naked men, this is your Christian belief?

          Naked butts of men?

          And you criticize me for liking Hindu vaginas?

        • $24674488

          a broken clock is still right twice a day more often than you.

    • Deltarose

      Because they are powered by Satan to attack Christianity. As the Lord said, if you are not of God, you are of Satan.

  • Joe

    CHRISTIANITY DIDN'T INVENT OUR SYSTEM OF MORALS!... THEY DEVELOPED OVER TIME AND CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. EXPLAINING THE SPLITS AND FACTIONS WHICH FORM, IN ANY AND ALL OF THE MAJOR WORLD RELIGIONS. THE ARGUMENT CONSTANTLY PERPETUATED BY RELIGIOUS GROUPS, THAT OUR MORAL COMPASS IS AS A RESULT OF AN ANCIENT TEXT IS LAUGHABLE. PEOPLE LIVE TODAY AS ' 'DEVOUT CHRISTIANS' AND REGULARLY FLOUT THE TEACHINGS OF THE GOSPEL WHICH, MERELY A FEW HUNDRED YEARS AGO, WOULD HAVE BEEN PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. THE SITUATION AS I SEE IT IS THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO TAKE WHICHEVER ELEMENTS OF THE HOLY TEXTS THEY SEE FIT. HUMAN BEINGS MORALS EXISTED LONG BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO WRITE DOWN FABLES AND TALES. THEY ARE A COMMON SENSE RESPONSE TO THE WAY IN WHICH OUR SOCIETY HAS DEVELOPED AND ARE IN NO WAY ENHANCED BY RELIGIOUS ZEAL. IN FACT THEY ARE HINDERED BY MISGUIDED, SIMPLE MINDED DEGENERATES TOO FOCUSED ON LIVING LIFE BY A STRICT CODE WHICH IS CULTURALLY OUTDATED. THERE IS NO MORAL RIGHT OR WRONG. SOCIETY AS A WHOLE DECIDES WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND THIS CHANGES ALONG WITH FASHION. RELIGION DOES PLAY A PROFOUND ROLE IN THE MORALS AND ETHICS OF OUR SOCIETY TODAY; THAT IS TO STIFLE AND SLOW ITS PROGRESS. THINGS ARE CHANGING. BY THE STANDARDS OF THE WRITERS OF THE BIBLE, WESTERN CHRISTIANS ARE ALL HELL BOUND FOR CONTINUING TO LIVE AND ENJOY THE PROSPERITY AND LUXURY OF OUR SHELTERED EXISTENCE AT THE EXPENSE OF COUNTLESS MILLIONS THE WORLD OVER. GOD WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I AM A SPIRITUAL PERSON, AND A BELIEVER IN A HIGHER BEING, TO WHICH I FEEL NO NEED TO ATTRIBUTE HUMAN QUALITIES. RELIGIOUS TEXTS SHOULD BE STUDIED BY ALL FOR THEIR BEAUTY AND OFTEN HELPFUL ADVICE. THEY ARE NOT SOMETHING TO LIVE ONES LIFE BY... FAITH IS KEY IN BEING ABLE TO LIVE WITH THE ELEMENTS OF LIFE OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OR CONTROL. IT IS MY OPINION THAT FAITH WITHOUT STRUCTURED RELIGION IS THE WAY FORWARD. THERE A MANY OF US BUT WE LACK THE ANGER AND VIGOUR OF THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS AND THE SCIENCE WORSHIPPERS,,, THEMSELVES AS OUTSPOKEN AS ANY RELIGIOUS FANATIC... FAITH GOOD. CHURCH BAD. THE END!X

    • James

      I''m not sure what I just finished reading. Our system of morals is founded in Holy Bible, no where else. If you don't believe that then just pick up a Quo'ran and see where they get their system of morals from and if you like them. You typed in all caps which to me means you are shouting your beliefs. You say you are not an athiest but a spiritual person. You say faith good, church bad. I can only say that in my 76 years of experience and knowledge that churches and religious (both Jewish and Christian) groups have fed, clothed and supplied medical aid to milllions of people around the world (regardless of those peoples belief system), especially in the nation of Africa. Religious (christian) people have given their lives to be missionaries and help with indiginous people around the world. My church is building orphanages in South Africa and feeding thousands. You sound like a screaming athiest who fears hell and don't know how to avoid it. Faith good? Faith in what? Church bad? Bad for what? You scream a lot of words which, when added together and totaled out actually say nothing. You are a long winded person with absolutely nothing to say.

      • Scott Knowles

        Very well said.

        • James

          Thank you for your encouragement.

        • Eagle2758

          who created science eh???

      • Deltarose

        My thoughts when I read Jack and Joe's jibber jabber-what the heck are they talking about? Not only don't they have morals with out GOD, they their brains seem to be floating around like all those atoms!

        • James

          I've heard tell that they believe in science, not the Person who created science.

        • Eagle2758

          who created science eh?

      • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

        "Have a cup of JOE."

        Excellent replacement for ipecac.

    • movingwaters

      Drive Carefully!

    • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

      You ever figure out how to type without using the CAPS key on? It's the little key on the left side the keyboard that states: Caps Lock.

      Turning this key OFF will enable you to use the "Shift" key to capitalize the beginning of sentences and other important words. Unless of course you don't know what constitutes a new sentence, paragraph or words that should be capitalized.

      You strike me as someone who is very young, lazy, and not educated.

      • 1LTLos

        No one here is shouting. The capital letter as you call it is referred as the Upper Case and is as silent as is the Lower Case. Neither letterform including italics make sounds -- No one is shouting you only have the need to say something very stupid!

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Why don't you address this comment to the person who stated Joe was shouting?

          Pay attention.

          OK. Upper Case...idiot.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Great cut and paste.

          What is you're point and should we care?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Great fággoty comment...

          You hate Slavic Christian Orthodoxy.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4y57Xu6r8

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Don't tell me what I hate...how could you possibly know?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Who is this and why should I care?

          Where is your article on, "Why Arrogant and illiterate Men Started Wars?"

          I'm sure you were just making a smart a@# statement versus having to prove your comment; this is WAY over your mental capacity, so we won't expect any thing more then continued links to YouTube.

          How is the electroshock therapy coming along? How are you feeling?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You like to post pictures of mens' naked ásses...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "Wars Started by Arrogant and Illiterate Men" by Winston "The Hindu" Blake. A short story.

          Let's try to focus on the subject you agreed to write about.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          What is a "Slavic Christian Orthodoxy?"

          Why don't you explain your comment and enlighten all of us with your intelligence...or are you just picking words and phrases you're clueless about.

          Please keep your dissertation to under 500 words, no YouTube links, no personal opinions, foul language, personal attacks or Hindu prayers.

          Good luck.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You post pictures of naked men, that is your Christian belief?

          Naked butts of men?

          And you criticize me for liking Hindu vaginas?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          I suppose each to their own.

          A Hindu reincarnated as a cow or sheep with a vagina will work for you.

          Heaven knows you could never get a human woman....HA. What a clown.

          Here she is....go for it. Post your success on Facebook.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          So you believe " arrogant illiterate men" are responsible for wars?

          We'd all like to have a good laugh, so please share with us which arrogant illiterate men you are referring too and how their illiteracy started a war....and please share with us which wars you're referring too.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          statingyour opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500 words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Is this a family picnic? A group grope?

          You don't have any hair!! I see you've got your dog in a compromising position....he seems happy to accommodate your " rear" advances.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          What is a "Slavic Christian Orthodoxy?"

          Why don't you explain your comment and enlighten all of us with your intelligence...or are you just picking words and phrases you're clueless about.

          Please keep your dissertation to under 500 words, no YouTube links, no personal opinions, foul language, personal attacks or Hindu prayers.

          Good luck.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You like to post pictures of mens' naked ásses, fellatio must be a part of your kosher diet...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          What is a "Slavic Christian Orthodoxy?"

          Why don't you explain your comment and enlighten all of us with your
          intelligence...or are you just picking words and phrases you're clueless
          about.

          Please keep your dissertation to under 500 words, no YouTube links,
          no personal opinions, foul language, personal attacks or Hindu prayers.

          Good luck.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          We'd all like to have a good laugh, so please share with us which arrogant illiterate men you are referring too and how their illiteracy started a war....and please share with us which wars you're referring too.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          statingyour opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500
          words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          The U.S. State Dept. and the Euro-socialist left tried to steal the Russian elections for their comrades in the Communist party through non-profit NGOs... (The reason the Russian government clamped down on non-profit groups.)

          They failed and Putin beat them... So, you had that Russian punk rock group (who were on the US State Dept. payroll) stage the silly attack against the Russian Orthodox Church and Madonna was flown in as a provocateur.

          The Russians don't have gay pride marches with their army. Putin knows a Marxist when he sees one...

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          So you believe " arrogant illiterate men" are responsible for wars?

          We'd all like to have a good laugh, so please share with us which arrogant illiterate men you are referring too and how their illiteracy started a war....and please share with us which wars you're referring
          too.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500 words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          The U.S. State Dept. and the Euro-socialist left tried to steal the Russian elections for their comrades in the Communist party through non-profit NGOs... (The reason the Russian government clamped down on non-profit groups.)

          They failed and Putin beat them... So, you had that Russian punk rock group (who were on the US State Dept. payroll) stage the silly attack against the Russian Orthodox Church and Madonna was flown in as a provocateur.

          The Russians don't have gay pride marches with their army... Putin knows a Marxist when he sees one...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          So you believe " arrogant illiterate men" are responsible for wars?

          We'd all like to have a good laugh, so please share with us which arrogant illiterate men you are referring too and how their illiteracy started a war....and please share with us which wars you're referring too.

          Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid
          stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500 words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          We grade on content, spelling and contribution.

          Good luck. We'll look forward to reading your contribution soon.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          ხართ თუ არა რაიმე სახის კომუნისტური სულელური პირი?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
    • ezekiel22

      Shouting is really bad manners. I think that I can take it you are an agnostic trying to cover all the bases. If you study further outside of the safety zone you have developed you will find that that is impossible to maintain. Just knowing there is a Supreme Being is not enough. You need to know the Supreme Being.

    • Eagle2758

      Why typing in CAPS,eh. Why let it bother you,eh. Move on, do your thang,eh. It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe, same goes for us Christians,eh. If it bothers you that much, go to another site, an atheist site,etc.

      • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

        Agree.

        Atheist should just stop trying to convince us that what they admit does not exist, actually does not exist. Don't try to figure it out....they can't either.

        Convince us of something that we all agree does not exist.... your brain.

    • Deltarose

      You Joe have been "misguided" so sorry for you.

  • Jack Parker

    "
    American Atheists DO NOT Show They Need God to Survive. BTW, to which god does the author refer? Can he provide a single piece of objective evidence or the existence of said "god". No? Then he should get his head unstuck from his bible thumping butt.

    • far2right

      Neither can you show any evidence of another universe.

      Even though by your faith system there must be infinite universes.

      Yet you cannot possibly observe even one.

      Your faith system is infinitely more blind than the christian faith.

    • Eagle2758

      So where's your proof there is no God,eh. I'll tell you as I did Lemmy Caution - why do you even feel the need to defend yourself if Christianity is a joke to you,eh. Why can't you just ignore us and move on,eh? Myself, as a retired career military guy, and also a combat veteran, do not feel the need to "convert" you because that's your choice, whereas to be a Christian is my choice. I'm sure I've had some very extreme experiences in my life that you haven't, so that's fine, it's your choice to be who and what you are. That's a choice that God gives you. God doesn't say you HAVE to believe in Him, he gives you that choice. Myself or no man can force you to believe in God. So, live your life anyway you want, as long as it's legal and not harming anyone and I'll do the same,ok. That also means you can ignore Christians and do your thing,eh.

  • Bob Pegram

    Gary DeMar ".... adheres to his own personal code of honor."?! I thought, as a Christian, he was supposed to adhere to God's code of honor. Who wrote that Bio?

  • Bob Pegram

    Many atheists miss the point that, if morals are "developed," they have no binding authority (or any other authority) over anybody. Developed morals can change at the whim of the majority (or whoever is in power). That is the old joke about two wolves and a sheep voting on what they will have for dinner. Atheist "morality" is a sad joke.

    • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

      " if morals are "developed," they have no binding authority (or any other authority) over anybody."

      What binding authority are you referring to?

      "Developed morals can change at the whim of the majority (or whoever is in power)."

      As opposed to what? Are you suggesting that a theist's morals never change? Seriously?

      "Atheist "morality" is a sad joke.:

      Bigot.

      • Eagle2758

        Well Lima Charlie, why do you even feel the need to defend yourself if Christianity is a joke to you,eh. Why can't you just ignore us and move on,eh? Myself, as a retired career military guy, and also a combat veteran, do not feel the need to "convert" you because that's your choice, whereas to be a Christian is my choice. I'm sure I've had some very extreme experiences in my life that you haven't, so that's fine. For you to even reply to Bob P. in the manor that you do, seems to project something is eating at you, but again, it's your choice to be who and what you are. That's a choice that God gives you. God doesn't say you HAVE to believe in Him, he gives you that choice. Myself or no man can force you to believe in God. So, live your life anyway you want, as long as it's legal and not harming anyone and I'll do the same,ok. That also means you can ignore Christians and do your thing,eh.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "Why can't you just ignore us and move on,eh? "

          Because I live in a state where Christians are attacking science, education, progress, women's health care, and equal rights on a daily basis.

          "Myself, as a retired career military guy, and also a combat veteran...."

          Thank you for your service.

          "that's a choice that God gives you. God doesn't say you HAVE to believe in Him, he gives you that choice."

          Belief is not a choice.

          "That also means you can ignore Christians and do your thing,eh."

          As soon as they stop forcing their superstitious immoral theology into the secular rule of law.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Monogamy is an ecclesiastic religious rule of law.

          Mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual... all men are born of a woman.

          Gay marriage is nothing more than religious faggotry...

          Morality and any associated ideal is rooted entirely in a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "Monogamy is an ecclesiastic religious rule of law."

          Glad I live in the USA, where the rule of law is secular.

          "Mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual... all men are born of a woman."

          So what?

          "Gay marriage is nothing more than religious faggotry..."

          What?

          "Morality and any associated ideal is rooted entirely in a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior."

          That's laughably silly. Prove it.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Monogamy is a religious rule of law in the USA... you dumb fággot...

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "Monogamy is a religious rule of law in the USA... you dumb fággot..."

          A "religious rule of law"? What does that even mean? Amazing.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Why not polyandry or polygyny?

          Monogamy is a religious and ecclesiastic rule of law, you stupid religious fággot.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "Why not polyandry or polygyny?"

          Why not? Wouldn't bother me in the least. Although I'm unsure what "polygyny" is. Pretty sure you don't know either.

          "Monogamy is a religious and ecclesiastic rule of law, you stupid religious fággot."

          So you think monogamy originated with the Bible? What makes you think that?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual.

          Religious faggotry is insane.

          Nature does not require human permission.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          Deep. You must read allot.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          All men are born of a woman.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          whoa

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          I was born from a dead body.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          You were hatched.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Well now days.

          However, you believe that all "men" were born from a slime filled pool of muck and magically evolved into people through the accumulation of additional genetic material that again magically appeared out of no where....amazing.

          Kissing a frog and it becomes a prince=Disneyland Fairytale.

          Kissing a frog and it becomes a prince if taught in schools=Evolution.

          How is that possible?

          Please explain yourself further.

          Remember: Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious
          topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Even the Book of Genesis you threw in the trash says all men are born of a woman.

          You like to post pictures of mens' naked ásses, fellatio must be a part of your kosher diet.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          You believe that all "men" were born from a slime filled pool of muck and magically evolved into people through the accumulation of additional genetic material that again magically appeared out of no
          where....amazing.

          Kissing a frog and it becomes a prince=Disneyland Fairytale.

          Kissing a frog and it becomes a prince if taught in schools=Evolution.

          How is that possible?

          Please explain yourself further.

          Remember: Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints, religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You posted a picture of a naked man with something shoved up his áss...

          Great Christian witness... you're a joke...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          No, he just looks at the pretty pictures.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          Hah! Nice.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You like pictures of naked men, you posted them, you fággot...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovzlpf7aU-c

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "Mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual."

          So what is your point. Better yet, what is the subject?

          Your mother is calling.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You like posting pictures of men's naked ásses, you must be one of Nasty Pelousy's constituents, you like her picture so much you posted it!

          Lots of filthy diseased faggots in Sod Fagcisco...

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          See, Mr. Blake is a confessed Hindu (see his bio).

          In his peanut brain, all law is a religious law. In our country we have "moral laws", e.g. Thou shalt not kill, steal, etc. These are good laws given to us by God.

          As an atheist Hindu, fast woman/car materialist worldly pervert (see his bio), Mr. Blakeee Boy is confusing reincarnated cows and other livestock with a religious law, e.g. Thou shall not eat a cow because it's probably your mother, or don't marry more then one woman because they will come back as bulls, team up, and try to kill you.

          It is a deep and complicated philosophy that only Mr. Blake could explain, but he is busy and can't be bothered. So don't ask. If he were available, he'd tell you that Hinduism is really a reification more then it is a religion.

          He plans to venture to India as a missionary to promote gay rights, McDonald Big Macks, fast women/cars and group sex. He'll be well received....then asked to leave the country.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          " Thou shalt not kill, steal, etc. These are good laws given to us by God."

          Which god?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Not yours....that's for sure.

          God with a capital "G"

        • Scott Knowles

          Actually, until racists brought the government into marriage by making it a requirement to be licensed, there were no laws except God's.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Blakeee boy LOVES to cut and paste stuff. He has NO idea what he is talking about, and thinks that lots of YouTube links proves his point; problem is, no one knows what that point is, much less the topic he is discussing.

          He has an anal fixation.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You are the one posting pictures of naked men's butts...

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "Because I live in a state where Christians are attacking science, education, progress, women's health care, and equal rights on a daily basis."

          BS. No one is attacking anything; it's the perverts and atheist who are attacking Christian beliefs and their rights under the 1st Amendment. You don't want equal rights, you want preferential rights. You are looking for absolute freedom, which is really absolute anarchy....a dysfunctional and dangerous society. Bunch of whiny kids not getting their way.

          "Belief is not a choice."

          Work with the crack. You choose to believe that you evolved from apes and the majority believe that to be false. Faith is believing in something you can't see or prove...it is absolutely a choice. You can choose to believe that head hunting is wrong...but to those that do it, in their society it is right.

          "As soon as they stop forcing their superstitious immoral theology into the secular rule of law."

          There is no "forcing of superstitions" You are free to accept or reject any and all morals and values and replace them with your own. Any behavior is acceptable...right? Just don't get caught. You have no standards or values....only those you make up.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          " it's the perverts and atheist who are attacking Christian beliefs"

          Are you claiming that all homosexuals are "perverts"? What makes you say that?

          "You don't want equal rights, you want preferential rights."

          How so?

          "Faith is believing in something you can't see or prove...it is absolutely a choice"

          I can no more choose to believe that my car can fly than I can choose to believe in a supernatural deity. Belief is not a choice....it is a logical progression from reason, logic, and evidence.

          "Any behavior is acceptable...right?"

          Not in any functioning society that I'm aware of.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Oh, so head hunting is wrong? Go tell that to the people who practiced it and who lived in a "functioning" society. A society that does not meet your standards isn't any less dysfunctional....in fact, it's probably more functional by avoiding your standards...whatever that is.

          Your goal is to lower standards of behavior and morals to a point where all behavior is acceptable and without accountability.

          Homosexuality is a perversion. Unless you can show how men shoving their penis into each others anal port is normal behavior. Pretty tough to repopulate the world that way.

          You choose to believe that you evolved from apes and the majority believe that to be false. Faith is believing in something you can't see or prove...it is absolutely a choice.

          You need to wake up and smell the reality.

        • http://www.twitter.com/lemmycaution25 Lemmy Caution

          "Go tell that to the people who practiced it and who lived in a "functioning" society."

          I must have higher standards of what I would label a functioning society than you. Fair enough.

          "Your goal is to lower standards of behavior and morals to a point where all behavior is acceptable and without accountability."

          Actually, that's never occurred to me. After thinking about it I can say that no, that's not my goal. Equal rights for all will do just fine.

          "Unless you can show how men shoving their penis into each others anal port is normal behavior."

          So you define homosexuality as a single sex act between two men? Why? You do know that anal sex is also QUITE popular among heterosexual couples as well, right? Why would any sexual act between two consenting adults bother you?

          "Pretty tough to repopulate the world that way."

          I don't think you will find any serious thinker claiming that our species is having a problem populating the world. It's not really a concern.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Circumnavigated the issues, and in typical perverted liberal behavior, attempted to redirect answers to other subjects.....you can't win.

          Nice try....FAIL.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "I must have higher standards of what I would label a functioning society than you. Fair enough."

          Are you kidding?

          Since when are "standards" a criteria for a functioning society? You have nothing to base your standards on.

          If you're referring to your standards, then absolute freedom means absolute anarchy...that is not a functioning society. That is a dysfunctional society.

          "I don't think you will find any serious thinker claiming that our species is having a problem populating the world. It's not really a concern."

          Oh really. Well serious thinker, if everyone practiced homosexuality (in your mind a normal behavior) the entire world population would die out in less then 100 years. How's that for normal behavior and a method for repopulating the world?

          You really aren't very well versed on the subject as your statements are just a gloss and not substantive. You appear to be more confused then anything else.

          You don't want to be restrained by any values or morals that don't agree with your perverted and liberal thinking, so you're going to do all you can to remove or lower those barriers to obtain absolute unobstructed behavior Carte blanche.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You post pictures of naked men, that is your Christian belief?

          Naked butts of men?

          And you criticize me for liking vaginas?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          How could anyone like vagaries?

          In your case, it happens all the time, so you have no choice but to face the facts and sleep through them.

          For the rest of the human race, of which you're not a part of, we like consistency and order.

          I suspect with further treatment, you learn to hate vagaries and this will enable you to get out of the house or institution more and pursue other activities.

          Good luck.

          PS: I love your new bike and "rocket propelled" device. How is that working for you?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You post pictures of naked men, that is your Christian belief?

          Naked butts of men?

          And you criticize me for liking vaginas?

          You can't even spell vagina.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "You can't even spell vagina."

          Hey viewing audience. Mr. Stupid removes all doubt of his IQ level....again.

          I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying. Stupid really is forever.

          Doesn't take much to screw this guy up....big time!!

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • Scott Knowles

          "Because I live in a state where Christians are attacking science, education, progress, women's health care, and equal rights on a daily basis."

          Vague and wide attacks. Which state? True Christians rarely attack the things you mentioned, unless they are wrong, such as educating our children of kindergarten age that homosexuality is okay. The others are too vague to understand.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

      Mark Steyn wrote a brilliantly titled column the other day... "Gang Raping Your Way to Democracy"

      Democracy is like a gang rape, the majority or plurality, no matter how small the advantage, decides what the rest will do. (A good revolver is the best veto.)

      Any notion of "morality" is a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

      Secular morality is an esoteric hobgoblin, or a scarecrow...

      • $24674488

        Please tell us you don't have any children.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You are a faggot pédophile always after children...

        • $24674488

          We weep at the thought that you have brought children into the world, filled with hate and ignorance like you.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You think hate is a "sin."

          You are a pédophile fággot Jew troll.

        • $24674488

          I think you are an antisocial and very lonely idiot. You're not using the word troll correctly. you're the troll.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          I don't think this lunatic qualifies as a troll...a trout maybe.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You like posting your aunt Pelousy's picture and you like looking at pictures of hairy mens' ásses.,.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovzlpf7aU-c

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You worship at the Church of the Stinky Donut Hole...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrzbDFj1lzQ

        • $24674488

          You're a congenital idiot.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • $24674488

          Your mom and your sister? Aren you as ashamed of them, as they are of you?

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          "You worship at the Church of the Stinky Donut Hole."

          Donut??? Don't you mean doughnut?

          What is the "Church of the Stinky DONUT Hole?

          Is this a division of "Dunkin Donuts?" Do you attend?

          Statements like this remove all doubt of your immaturity, lack of education and mental disorder. Are you going to start crying now????

          Please explain yourself further regarding "Donut Church"

          Remember: Please be specific in your dissertation and include all pertinent historical links. Please avoid foul language, innuendos, racial slurs, illogical statements, ramblings, aeronautical blue prints,religious topics, examples that have no relationship to your argument; avoid stating your opinion as no one cares, and finally, keep the SA to less then 500words as we all become very sleepy reading nonsense.

          Winston's parents had pictures taken of him when he was a baby, and recently submitted a picture of him taken last week. Not much has changed... only the style of diaper.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You post pictures of naked men, that is your Christian belief?

          Naked butts of men?

          And you criticize me for liking vaginas?

          You are a religious fággot?

        • $24674488

          Only since you invited me to a meeting.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          AMEN!!

          He probably keeps a few in the freezer for special occasions.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          Now, in addition to posting pictures of naked male asses, you defend your fággot pédophile friend...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Y8bTXenGg

        • $24674488

          you're losing your mind Winston.

        • $24674488

          all hail Winston!!!

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Good call.

          I think Winston's grand father said it best..........

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • non

          That wasn't Hitler who said that... it was Nietzsche. Perhaps this would have been more suitable:

          "The judgment whether a people is virtuous or not virtuous can hardly be passed by a human being. That should be left to God." - Adolf Hitler, April, 1939

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          NASA likes posting pictures of naked men's butts... his version of the Bible says "spread the other cheek."

          It is Tikkun Olam paganism.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          Good point.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake
        • $24674488

          Winston! your Mom is cute!

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

          You must be a religious faggot...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4y57Xu6r8

  • ksoileau

    Exactly. In the absence of an extra-human source of morality, every human's opinion of "good" and "evil" is counterweighted by everyone else's opinion, producing a moral deadlock. In a Universe without an extra-human giver of morality, a sadistic puppy-torturer would have a moral compass with validity equal to that of a selfless hospice volunteer. Any atheist who claims that others should follow her moral code is as absurd as one who insists that everyone adopt her handwriting style.

    • Scott Knowles

      The problem with having a scaled balance of morals is that the scale can be swayed by charismatic athiests like Hitler, Marx, Khan, who have definite evil bents. All those without a strong positive compass, like Christ, would end up going to the dark side, even if initially they thought the intent was not that bad.

      • ksoileau

        What is "good"? What is "evil"? My point is that these concepts are arbitrary and subjective in the absence of an extra-human source of morality.