Persistent Atheists Come Out of the Woodwork . . . Again

There’s one thing that can be said about liberals. They are persistent. They never surrender. They never give up. They work hard to wear down the opposition. Case in point.

“Two secularist organizations are working together to end legislative prayer before city council meetings in a northern California municipality. “For years, Chico city council members have invited local religious leaders from various faiths to lead invocations prior to official city council gatherings.”

While I’m all for prayers; it would be nice if the council members actually paid attention to the fact that God exists and there are laws to be acknowledged and obeyed.

A prayer isn’t a magical incantation absolving those who pray from the built-in moral standards that make our world work.

But back to the complaint lodged by the two secularist organizations.

“However, the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) — a Wisconsin-based, church-state separatist group — and the Butte County Coalition of Reason (BCCR) — a local atheist organization — are pushing to have the prayer tradition stopped. After learning of the regular invocations, an FFRF attorney sent a letter on June 27th to the Chico mayor, asserting that the prayers ‘are a repudiation of our secular history,’ and that the ‘best solution is for the Council to drop these prayers altogether.’”Jefferson Memorial Third Panel

The phrase “a repudiation of our secular history” made me laugh. In terms of America’s founding history, there is no such thing. Even Thomas Jefferson, the patron saint of secular groups like FFRF, cannot be called as a witness to their cause: “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” (Found on the third panel of the Jefferson Memorial.)

One of the first orders of business of the first Congress was to appoint chaplains. Bishop Samuel Provoost and Reverend William Linn became paid chaplains of the Senate and House respectively. Since then, both the Senate and the House have continued regularly to open their sessions with prayer. (Not that it does much good. See my point made above.)

Samuel Provost

Samuel Provoost (1742-1815)

The inauguration of George Washington was followed by “divine services” held in St. Paul’s Chapel in New York, “performed by the Chaplain of Congress.”1

The first Congress that convened after the adoption of the Constitution requested of the President that the people of the United States observe a day of thanksgiving and


“That a joint committee of both Houses be directed to wait upon the President of the United States to request that he would recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a Constitution of government for their safety and happiness.”

After the resolution’s adoption, Washington then issued a proclamation setting aside November 26, 1789, as a national day of thanksgiving, calling everyone to “unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions.”2

  1. Anson Phelps Stokes and Leo Pfeffer, Church and State in the United States, one-volume ed. (New York: Harper & Row, 1964), 87. []
  2. Quoted in Stokes and Pfeffer, Church and State in the United States, 87. []



  • Screeminmeeme

    You can easily understand why atheists pound away at the Christian foundations of our Nation. Once destroyed, anything goes....and that's just fine with the godless.

  • ronifer

    There will always be people who believe in God and those people who do not. And THAT is the way it is and always will be. Get used to it and get on with your lives - and they will too !

    • Marj0120

      If only the atheists would get on with their lives instead of being such a pain in everyone's behind, the rest oif us would ever so graciously ignore them. But this incredibly hateful, bendictive 14% of our population isn't content practicing their religion of no God, they demand, coerce and live to destroy any mention, written word, historical facts and display of any other religion icons.

      Go be a peaceful loving atheists and allow me and mine to enjoy our religion. They are as bad as Islamic radicals when it comes to their religion.

      • Barbara

        Yes, they are no different in that they are not content to just live their lives the way they choose but instead are trying to stop us from living our lives the way we choose. I would never force anyone to go to church or to accept what I believe about God but instead would just quietly pray for them. I have never told anyone that they have to believe what I believe.

    • Nelson

      You tell everyone that is the way it is and to get on with our lives is a contradictory statment in its self. You cannot tell others to let things be and then tell others how to act. You are now forcing you morals on the rest of us!

    • http://yahoo terry7170

      IF this is your way of coming out of the closet, welcome! Hope these reply's are useful to you.

    • mogul264

      All I ask is that any atheist, who is so agitated by God and prayer, produce the laws which specifies any such "freedom FROM religion" guarantees; or any public governmental document such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or ANY other public source!

      They need not physically PRODUCE the exact document(s), since some are sealed for protection, but cite the document(s), chapter(s) and verse(s) so I can see it(them) for my self! I'd be willing to bet a goodly sum this cannot be so produced!

      • Vince

        One big problem with atheists and liberals is that they have a skewed understanding of the term "separation of church and state". If they would actually research what the founders meant by this term, it was wholly intended to keep the state out of the church, not visa versa. Most founding fathers said that religion had a place in government and that our government could not survive without it. We are pretty much proving that everyday.

      • Barbara

        We know that they cannot produce such documents because there are none. The First Amendment was created to keep Government from interferring with religion, not religion from being part of government.

    • Esther

      "Even Thomas Jefferson, the patron saint of secular groups like FFRF, (Freedom from Religion Foundation] cannot be called as a witness to their cause: “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” (Found on the third panel of the Jefferson Memorial.)


      Thanks for posting this quote. God is everywhere in the foundation of our great country. To think He is not, is merely wishful thinking.

  • Peter Guild, St. Joseph's Parish in Quincy, MA.

    I feel sorry for Atheists. That they don't know or recognize the greatness of God is pathetic. I'm glad to know God's wonderfulness and say words of praise to God regularly.

    • Dale Netherton

      You don't KNOW God at all. You want to believe there is a God but the concept is contradictory and could not possible exist.

  • John

    Glad George Washington didn't just say: "OK, just get on with your lives..."

  • Tony

    Atheists believe THEY are gods..

  • Tamara

    Athesiests remind me of Cockroaches. They come out at night in a cloak of darkness, invading with gluttany, leaving filth and distruction behind. Let's rid our country of them as we rid out homes of roaches!

    • John

      Too bad about that pesky First Amendment, huh?

      • Greg

        Those who try to twist the First Amendment to justify their desire for separation of church and state want to use the part that says "congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion" but want no mention made of the part that says "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". they don't have a problem with using congress or the courts to prohibit the free exercise of religion in our public venues.

    • NASA

      You're being unkind to the cockroaches...atheist are far worse.

  • Granny007

    As long as they have an audience, they will continue to offend.

  • God Fearing Texan

    I am yet to understand how a group of people who do not live in the city, county or state in question have any standing in a matter such as this. It does not concern them personaly. They are trying to violate another persons constiutional rights by forbiding them to practice their religious beliefs.

  • DustyFae

    I like for these people to prove to me there is no God...

    • Dale Netherton

      You want proof of what doesn't exist? What would you accept as evidence?

  • http://MSN Bill Force

    Christians or for that matter any religious group have no call on Conservatism. There is absolutely no restrictions on who is a conservative and who isn't. Many like myself, as conservative as they make them but am NOT a Christian, I don't believe in Jesus but I do believe in people being responsible to their country and the principals of Freedom of RELIGION.

  • http://yahoo Rev John W Turner

    Doesn't it seem strange to anyone that people who don't believe in Almighty God seem to spend a lot of their time demanding that those of us who DO believe agree with them or else. Their demands sound a whole like the so-called religion of peace. You know-----believe in the idiot mohamaad or die. Too. too bad. Sooner or later we all will come face to face with Jesus at judgement.

  • John

    Too bad about that pesky First Amendment, huh?

    • Greg

      You talking about the amendment to the constitution that says Congress is restricted from prohibiting the free exercise of religion? I'm quite sure that if our founders did not want congress prohibiting the free exercise of religion, they did not want any other government entity to prohibit exercise of religion either.

  • NASA

    Cockroaches are much nicer.

  • jong

    What happen to disqus???

  • leandro

    " The fool has said in his heart, ' there is no God'".

  • Robert Norwood

    I'm never completely sure of an atheists argument except their insistence on proof. The logical counter to that being "prove their is not a god in the universe". I have a very open mind, a logical and practical mind, I have a science background and I believe there is a binding and conscious universal force at work that we call God. I know, because I have thought about this a lot, that Truth, Decency, the "good" in other words, a sense of morality is also at the heart of it. God is a complex matter, a certain amount of faith is needed, an ability to "see" and an open mind. Atheists and liberals tend not to have open minds.

    • mogul264

      Have them prove any public government document which 'guarantees' this "freedom FROM religion" they cite!

  • Steve Finnell


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    1. You must believe Jesus is the truth.
    2. You must believe He is the only way to the Father.


    Acts 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."
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    Acts 4:12 And there is salvation is no one else; for there is no name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
    1. You must believe that Jesus is the only Savior.


    Acts 2:40-41 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!"41 So then, those who had received the his word were baptized; and that day there added about three thousand souls.
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    The words of Jesus was that of the Father. The words of the apostles were the words of Jesus. To reject the words of Jesus and the words of the apostles is to reject the word of God the Father.

    John 14:24 He who does nor love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.

    The words of the apostles, including the apostle Paul's, came from Jesus.

    John 14:25-26 "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. . 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to remembrance all that I said to you.
    Galatians 1:1-12 1 Paul, an apostle.....12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.


    They believed Jesus when He said "Who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved"

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