Feds Say Atheism Is A Religion Which Should Affect Teaching Of Evolution And Creation

Atheists have long argued that atheism is not a religion as they deny the existence of God or any other form of deity.  Atheists, starting with Madalyn Murray O’Hair, are the ones that led the efforts to remove the Bible, prayer and all aspects of Christianity out of the public schools, government buildings and property.

Christians have long argued that atheism is a religion as it is a belief in no God and that by removing Christianity from schools established atheism as the official religion of the public school system.  It is impossible to have a vacuum of religious belief and when one religion is forcibly removed from a system, another religious belief will automatically replace it.  But we have been unsuccessful in convincing the courts of this fact, but now, thanks to government lawyers, Christians may be able to make this argument in courts around the nation.

It all started in 2009 when Laurie Gaylor, Co-Founder and Co-President of the atheist organization Freedom From Religion Foundation filed a lawsuit in California to get the parsonage tax break taken away from clergy.  Currently, ministers and clergy are allowed to take a percentage of their income as a tax-free housing allowance and Gaylor doesn’t believe that’s fair.

The California lawsuit was eventually dropped, but they later re-filed the lawsuit in Wisconsin in 2011.

However, her efforts have been turned in a direction that she did not expect.  Lawyers for the federal government are now saying that leaders of atheist groups can function as ministers since atheism can be considered a religion and therefore, Gaylor and her husband would eligible for the tax-free housing allowance.

This has further rankled the atheist leader who has told the government attorneys that she does not want the tax break.  She told them:

“We are not ministers.  We are having to tell the government the obvious — we are not a church.”

Yet this mess started when Gaylor’s own board of directors voted to give her and her husband Dan Barker, also Co-Founder and Co-President of FFRF, a $15,000 a year housing allowance.  Gaylor and Baker said they could not claim the housing allowance as tax free income because they were not clergy.

To everyone’s surprise, the federal government disagreed with them.  The federal attorney’s filed a brief with the Justice Department in which they argued that Buddhism or Taoism does not include a belief in God but are recognized as religions.  Therefore, atheism should also be recognized as a religion and that their leaders do qualify for the tax-free housing allowance.

Gaylor says she and her husband will continue to fight to do away with the exemption as they don’t believe any religious groups deserve any special treatment.  I suspect that she realizes that if she and her husband accepted the tax break that it would be their admission that atheism is a religion and they can’t allow that to happen.

But if the federal government is arguing that atheism is a religion, then how do they justify public schools teaching that there is no God – aka atheism.  Science classes all across the country fight to prevent biblical creation from being taught because it is a religious view.  Instead, they push evolution, which says there is no God and thus, according to the federal government, is a religion and therefore should not be allowed to be taught in public schools either.  Christians around the nation need to jump on this precedent and fight to get evolution out of the public schools or force them to allow the teaching of both evolution and creationism side by side.


  • BillyBobby

    As the homie Bill Maher would say, atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.

  • Jack

    Need more dates/timeline. When was the last govt/court action on this?

  • Mimi s

    Religion must be kept OUT of public schools....

    • Clay

      You mean atheism, right?

    • mudguy

      Yes any certain religion has no place in public schools. There is a difference between religion and Christian Principles.

      • Dennis Blair

        Christianity is not a religion. It is a way of life. Religion is man made and Christianity is Christ made.

        • HANK

          But only if you believe in Christ. Christ is not in Judaism, but is a way of life and is also a religion. To say Christianity is not a religion only proves how inept you are.

      • johnsnare

        Since when is Christianity a religion.? An individual can believe in God,. and not belong to any religious group. I was born and raised Catholic, and do not attend any church, and still believe in a higher power.

      • opar5

        Few small minds have read "The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States" by Benamin F. Morris. The Unites States was founded and based on Christian principles. No, I am not a Christian, but a rational Panentheist who supports Christian principles.

      • henry knox

        Cristianity is a philosophy not a religion. Catholisism is a religion. Philosophy should be taught in schools.

        • Nell Webbish

          What is it with some people and the need to redefine words in an attempt to wedge religion into the definition?

          Religion is not a philosophy. There are intersections between religious beliefs and philosophical questions that have at times resulted in religion changing philosophy and philosophy changing religions, but the practice of a religion is a philosophy.

          Words have actual meanings. You might was well just say religion is statistics or religion is a biopsy. It has as much rational meaning.

        • Raymond

          Psalm 1:1
          Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
          nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

          Psalm 1:2
          But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate
          day and night.

          Psalm 1:3
          And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth
          his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth
          shall prosper.

          Psalm 1:4
          The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

          Psalm 1:5
          Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the
          congregation of the righteous.

          Psalm 1:6
          For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly
          shall perish.

    • Tionico

      too late.. religioin is already IN the public schools.... many of them. Christianity is getting the squeeze, atheism, evolutionism, communism, hedonism, materialism, collectivism, rampant. Get used to it.

      • Sara Loenes

        No.

        • MK McMillion

          Fine. No more religious teaching.
          But you can not eliminate only the Christian religions. You must also eliminate atheism,secularism,environmentalism,sexism, evolutionism, communism, hedonism, materialism, collectivism,etc.

      • Rubygirl

        Don't forget Islam and all the concessions made for its ideology. It is definitely in schools and special provisions are made to accommodate it.

    • Warpmine

      On the contrary, children should be kept from public school.

      • Wigglypoff

        Yea, keep children out of public schools.

    • Wigglypoff

      Your right lets ban Atheism. The religion of no god. The religion that makes humans a deity. You idiots really think you and darwin(who renounced his own theory btw) are the supreme beings. I wish you luck in your next life. May god bless you.

      • Angel

        May THEY'RE god bless them...oh wait! that would be themselves, Darwin, Richard Dawkins, or whomever they choose-- either way what can their god do for them when they stand before the True and Living God?

        • mogul264

          How would such a prayer from an atheist begin? "I pray to ME......"?

          Talk of EGOTISM!

      • Shermer

        No, we don't think we are gods, and no Darwin didn't renounce his own theory. Unless you can give me a quote from him to that effect...

      • Nell Webbish

        Darwin did not renounce his own theory. Nor did he "become a Christian" on his deathbed.

        Atheism does assert that humans or Darwin are supreme beings.

        And atheism is not anything like a religion. The only way to define atheism as a religion is to strip the definition of the word religion of all meaning.

      • Mike

        Darwin didn't renounce his theory. Don't be ridiculous. The 'deathbed renunciation' story was a hoax.

    • 5alive5

      Yeah, things have been SO much better since they took God out of the schools. teen pregnancy skyrocketing, gang killings, drugs are rampant, passing numbers are dropping like a rock dropped from the Empire State bldg., Yeah, things are great since they took God out of the schools, just great!!!

      • David

        Psst, Teen pregnancy rates are down! Crime rates are down, and God was never kicked out of our schools.

        • Honeyjdy

          I do not know where the person that said that gang violence and teen pregnancy is down, got this misinformation. It is worse. Our forefather founded this country on the Christian beliefs, and it used to be productive, but we are going to hell in a hand basket. There is so much evil, and public schools are running wild with kids dumbed down, because they think the government is going to be their savior and take care of them. I know because I am there everyday. Wrong, we are much worse off because we have left God out, and we will pay too. It is evil running wild that caused the shootings in the schools, and elsewhere. Surely you could not possibly believe that it is good.
          People are just nuts, for not reading and believing God's word.

        • billconner

          Oh ya they just abort the child and no more pregnancy, and tell the drive by shooter in Chicago that crime rates are down, and the drug dealer

        • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

          If you go back to before '62-'63, you will find that the new "lows" are still much higher than they had in those days before prayer and Bible reading were forcibly removed from public schools.

        • Angel

          ...and you say WE'RE delusional?!

      • PeteP

        Don't forget school shootings are also up.

        • Nell Webbish

          School shooting rates are tightly correlated to the banning of peanut butter from school cafeterias. It's not God that has been expelled from schools, it's Mister Peanut!

      • [email protected]

        5alive5: Please explain the steps involved in how not having state sanctioned prayer in schools, (which still allows individual students to pray), has led to all you say has happened. Students are only at school 6 hours a day. They have the other 18 hours to worship, pray, sing gospel songs. Not to mention all Saturday and Sunday. Where are the Christian student's parents and the clergy, one may ask. This common Christian logic escapes me. When is the exact time that the "banning of school prayer" (which never happened) occurred?

      • http://blog.ohyonghao.com David

        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.htm
        Teen pregnancy is at it's lowest since any year after 1950, which, coincidentally, is when daily scripture reading was taken out of school.

      • Nell Webbish

        You have several fairly classic misconceptions that I find many Christians mistaken repeat as if they were accurate.

        God was not removed from schools. Teacher-led prayer was removed from school. Students have never lost their ability to pray or read Bibles while in school. Students have also not lost their ability to talk about their religious beliefs with others, so long as such discussion is not otherwise disruptive to classes and school generally. Schools - and therefore the government - has lost it's ability to be involved in student's religious activities.

        The teen birth rate is lower today then it was in 1950. Gang violence until just recently had been declining for the last decade and the recent uptick seems to be due to a difference in reporting metrics. Drug use among teens is also at record low since the peak of use in 1980. Student performance is a particularly complex issue that has no relationship with the 1962 Engel v. Vitale Supreme Court ruling.

        So no, not only has God not been removed from school, the end of school-led prayer has not resulted in any of the dire outcomes you asserted.

    • Waz

      The USA and many other countries around the world were built on the phrase " In God We Trust"

      • Nell Webbish

        The United States of America was founded on the phrase E pluribus unum. The cold war and nuclear proliferation were built on In God We Trust.

    • Raymond

      PH.D. CREATIONIST OFFERS $10,000 TO EVOLUTIONIST WHO CAN DISPROVE GENESIS

      (Friday Church News Notes, April 19, 2013, http://www.wayoflife.org,[email protected], 866-295-4143)

      The following is excerpted from “Creationist offers $10,000 to any evolutionist who can scientifically disprove Genesis in court,” The Blaze, Mar. 27, 2013 -- “A California-based creationist is so convinced that the Book of Genesis provides a literal recap of life’s beginnings that he’s willing to put $10,000 on the line, offering the large sum of money to anyone who can successfully debunk the claims present in the book. But there’s a twist: The scientific take-down of the Biblical stories must be done in front of a judge. Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo, who holds a Ph.D. in kinesiology, is hoping that his challenge to non-theists and others who dismiss the Bible as mere allegory will spawn a larger-scale and healthier discussion about creationism and evolution. The contest, called the ‘Literal Genesis Trial,’ was first outlined by Mastropaolo in an interview with the Guardian. Here’s a description of how it would work, should an evolutionist rise to the occasion: ‘Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo … has pledged to put $10,000 of his own money into an escrow account before the debate. His competitor would be expected to do the same. The winner would take the $20,000 balance. The argument would not be made in a formal court, but under an alternative dispute resolution model known as a minitrial. Mastropaolo said he would present the argument in favor of a literal interpretation of the creation story once he had found a willing scientist to argue that a non-literal interpretation of Genesis is more scientific’ (“Creationist stakes $10,000 on context between Bible and evolution,” The Guardian, Mar, 25, 2013). ‘It turns out that there is nothing in the universe [that] is evolving, everything is devolving, everything is going in the opposite direction,’ he told theGuardian.”

    • Magoo

      Why don't you get out of the US?

      • Magoo

        The comment last posted by me was meant for Mimi S.

    • Mex Seiko

      No. The government should be out of schools.

    • Kent

      No where does the Constitution state that religion and government should never mix. What it does state is that the government will make NO LAW regarding religion or the free exercise thereof. All of these laws and legal decisions made removing Christianity from public places are a violation of the Constitution since no law is supposed to be made.

      However, the government has effectively banned Christianity while allowing atheism, humanitarianism, and naturalism, scientism, and evolution solely into the school system. Each of these including Christianity are a system of beliefs in relation, ultimately, to the origins of the universe. So how can all but one be allowed into the school system when the Constitution states no law will be made?

      Perhaps the recognition of atheism as a religion will finally be a step in the right direction toward following the Constitution instead of impeding the free exercise of religion.

    • Angel

      The religion of atheism that is...

  • Centurian2010

    How is atheism a religion? It is the absence of religion.

    • Name *opa

      It is a system based on a belief. Atheists cannot prove there is no God. They preach that belief. For once. A gov lawyer is right. Huzzah!

      • Jeff Dixon

        No, it is a disbelief in an idea. If disbelief is a religion, then anyone who does not believe in unicorns, fairies or Bigfoot, has made that disbelief their religion. Which is ludicrous.

      • [email protected]

        Name*opa: Sorry, but no atheist preaches anything. If you "believe" in gravity, then that makes you a believer in "gravitism? "Preaching" presumes a deity, atheism is the absence of a belief in a supernatural deity. If one believes in education, it doesn't mean you worship education as a religion. Your logic escapes me. Faith means belief in something or someone without any observable or testable proof.

      • EvilVegan

        So, simply because you *can't* prove that Zeus *doesn't* throw lightning bolts forged by Hephaestus , we should teach that in schools along side scientifically proven weather concepts?

        All Christians ARE Atheists (to all other gods); they just haven't expanded that rational thinking to their own god yet.

      • Nell Webbish

        Nonsense.

        Atheism is based on an absence of evidence. I don't "believe" there are deities, I do not accept the existence of deities due to the lack of evidence that they exist.

        Saying "I believe I'll have a class of wine" is clearly not the same as "I believe in the Lord, Jesus Christ" which is clearly not the same as "I believe she is telling the truth".

        Deliberately conflating those differing meanings of the word belief is not on disingenuous but it reinforces the general sense that the argument lacks rationality or common sense.

    • http://fb Paul T. Leslie

      Atheism is definitely a religion. The largest sect of it being evolutionary marxism.

      You gotta serve someone - Bob Dylan recognized that truth and sang about it.

      • http://[email protected] Howard R. Lowe

        Evolution is not Marxist. Evolution does not take God out of the equation at all. I consider myself a devote Episcopalian and a scientist (geologist). Evolution is no longer a theory. It is a fact, and to me it makes my belief in GOD even greater.

        Christianity is a belief, so is Islam, so is Buddhism. Belief is not proof of anything - it is a feeling that every human being has. I am a Christian I cannot prove there is one Supreme Being - but I believe.

        • Cris

          "Evolution is no longer a theory. It is a fact..."

          Oh yeah? Prove it Howard!

          I'm 50 years old and in all those years I've never seen nor heard of an ape turning into a human....And I asked my parents and grandparents and they haven't either.

          So when exactly did that ape into a man thingy stop? I want a time and date since you are so sure about it being a 'fact'....Facts have irrefutable proof..You do not

          Oh yeah, and since you say you are a Christian, how do you reconcile God creating 'man' in his own image....It does not say God created an ape and then over time the ape became a man....

        • Daniel

          Evolution is NOT a fact. There is no empirical evidence that evolution is taking place or has taken place. There are indicators that can be interpreted in favor of evolution but nothing more. There are ZERO transitional fossils on record and ZERO observed evolutionary processes. As a scientist you should know the difference between theory and fact.

        • http://msn Tagdogs

          Where is the evidence that evolution is a fact? Have they found several different levels of development for humans and the various other animals of the earth. Or, was it like "puff", and all of a sudden man and other animals went of one stage of development to the stage they are in today.

        • Ed Dohar

          Evolution is a lie based on a manufactured “missing link” This so-called “link” should be found in profusion all over the world if Evolution were true. There is no such gradation of species; each are unique creations by the author of life, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, Emanuel who by His blood delivers sinners who believe lies from eternal death. Those who live in continual confessed sin are in danger of God’s wrath. Christianity is faith in the grace of Jesus Christ, “The Way, the Truth and the Life”, the only Savior of the world. Look in da Book!

        • Dennis Blair

          If man evolved from apes then why are there still apes.

        • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

          Evolution is a blasphemous, anti-christ, unscientific theory supported by those who espouse materialism and anti-biblical theology. Basic logic emphatically refutes the foolish notions of the evolutionist. To embrace evolution is to reject the basic teachings of Paul about how death came into the world through the sin of Adam. It also is an affront to the basic truth of Christ's atonement, "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ." Romans 5:17
          It is blaspheme to attribute God's power in Creation to a non-entity called "nature."
          It is unbelief and a further affront to God to reject his clear description of the creation which he affirms many times to have occurred in just six days. Christ also confirmed the story of Adam and Eve by noting God's plan for marriage as he spoke about them.
          It is also utterly ludicrous to think the amazing creation of God came from death and billions of years (which is what evolution teaches), rather than from God's perfection and power.
          Devotion to the Episcopal church is not devotion and love for God and his word.

        • Wigglypoff

          Cris evolution takes place over many years. We've seen evolution progress in many ways. I agree that god created us. I also beleive god gave humans and nature the ability to adapt and over come which is exactly what has happened. They are not separate ideas as much as blind people would like them to be. They part ways in many contexts. There is truth and lies and mis construed ideas in evolution. Don't be blind cris. You think god did not give humans the ability to adapt. Chinese cultures lack an enzyme to metabolize alcohol this is why they turn bright red when many of them drank. In history water was frequently unclean. English and Chinese boiled it and mixed it with tea which cleaned it. Others drank liquor because it was frequently safer than water. The drinking communities do not lack this enzyme even today because our ancestors drank alcohol. This is evolution. It occurs on a cellular level. Are you Evan hoek? If not you can not see the microscopic evolutionary changes that have taken place during your life time. Bacteria have evolved during your life time; many bacteria which would have been killed by a antibiotic when you were a child is now resistant to that bacteria because they have evolved. Don't be ignorant and give aethiests a idiot to point to when they speak of ignorant Christians. What you say is just pure ignorance.

        • Steven

          Actually, evolution was NEVER, and never CAN be a theory as defined in my 4th grade science class. It is a HYPOTHESIS. To be elevated to the status of theory, a hypothesis must be TESTABLE. Even if it could be proven that evolution CAN occur, it is not possible to test if it DID occur in the past resulting in the origin of species. Note: Intelligent design is also not at theory for the same reason.

        • ARH

          Wigglypoff - The "evolution" of bacteria, as you call it, I would rather describe as simply "survival of the fittest", i.e. antibiotics killed most bacteria, but not quite all, as a very select few just happened to have characteristics making them immune to the antibiotics. Those resistant bacteria then flourished while the rest died. Now we have lots of bacteria that are resistant to tested antibiotics. So NO, the bacteria did not EVOLVE to take on antibiotic resistance, rather those already resistant survived!

        • freedixie

          You bumped your head, didn't you, and scambled your brain?

        • Richard Driskill

          Howard - (part 1)

          "...Evolution is no longer a theory. It is a fact, and to me it makes my belief in GOD even greater."

          Let's get specific 'Bob' (Howard) [famous quote from the movie 'Phenomenon']. What scientists fail time and time again to reveal is that evolution has two major subsets: macro and micro. Micro-evolution occurs all the time; us old-timers of science called it mutation, but in the scheme of things is the fairly immediate result of an organism changing to adapt to the environment, such as a sun tan after a day at the beach. Macro-evolution would be the change from one specific life-form into another, and there is NOT one example of this ever occurring that has ever been scientifically proven. Not once.

        • buddy

          Oh my god all these people are stupid. Clearly our education system and YOUR parents failed you dogmatic, freakishly ignorant people. It is truly scary to read these comments and try to think, "these people were once sane, but clearly, their preachers and parents destroyed their minds." It is scary that you allow yourselves to be so easily manipulated and controlled.

      • http://k1oik.angelfire.com/egypt Burt Fisher

        With all due respect to you, Bob Dylan sang lots of songs that I would not use to support my case.

        Atheism in my personal life is not a religion. While it does come with many of the so-called Christian values (again, in my case) such as love of neighbor, and respect for your beliefs and things, it's not the Marxist type of thing that you refer to. "All squares have four sides, but not all 4-sided things are squares." Not all atheists are sanctimonious jerks who try to deny you your rights. Many are, I will agree.

        "You gotta serve someone" -- maybe that is true. What if I said that I serve... YOU. When I hold the door open for you, I serve you. When I wait at the stop sign so you can go first, I serve you. Not because of God or gods, but because I love my neighbor in just the way Jesus taught.

        Eh, it's something to think about.

    • http://msn Tagdogs

      Depends on how you define religion. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean your beliefs can't be a religion. Buddhist, Hindus, Zorastist, etc. all are considered religions and they don't all believe in God.

    • lilith

      Evolution is also a religion just as atheism is. In fact it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in creation.

      • Paul Lucas

        Lilith, this is a very common claim, but false. Evolution is NOT a belief system. It's a scientific theory. Just like gravity, DNA is a double helix, heliocentrism, etc. are theories. I believe the statements in the Nicene Creed, I accept evolution. It takes no faith to accept evolution, just acceptance that the evidence (data) is valid.

        For Christians, evolution is simply HOW God created. The confusion comes from people like the blogger who equate a particular HOW that God created with belief in God. The evidence God left us in His Creation says He created by evolution, not creationism. I believe God is Creator. Do you? If so, then we have no choice but to accept evolution. Rejecting evolution means rejecting God. Some people are comfortable rejecting God in favor of a human interpretation of parts of Genesis. I will not reject God. How about you?

      • Nell Webbish

        No it's not and no it doesn't.

    • Wigglypoff

      It is a belief system.

    • Steven

      Wrong. There is NO SUCH THING as the absence of religion. ANY belief about God, including the belief you CAN'T know about God, IS a religion.

      • http://k1oik.angelfire.com/egypt Burt Fisher

        Sorry Steven, not true. By your logic, my dog has a religion. I have not been blessed with the gift of faith that you have. That's all. I think that "faith" is pretty well defined in the book of Hebrews, if I remember. It might clarify some of this.

      • buddy

        You are dumb. Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of any god. NOT a religion. I also don't believe in unicorns, Thor, bigfoot, celestial teapot, Allah, or the existence of any other mythical character, that is not a religion either. So to use your logic, "you do not believe in the literal existence of spongebob squarepants" therefore; you are religiously aspongebobism.

        • http://yahoo dravu9

          that's the point, you believe that there is no God, Christians believe that there is God. Plus, you follow the works of your priests such as dawkins who you look up to. You have organizations,your fellowship online etc etc, that makes your belief a religion. The funny thing is this, the very evidence that you use to refute religion, is going against you now.

    • Gail Jackson

      Monotheism is a belief in one god . Mono means one , theism means belief in a god or gods: an a in front of theism means the opposite . Therefore atheism means believing there is no god or gods . Religion = details of belief as taught or discussed . Religion = a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance . These are two of the meanings of religion as found in Webster's dictionary. Do atheist believe there belief is of extreme importance ?

      • Paul Lucas

        Buddy: Atheism may not be a religion, but it is a faith. Religion implies certain rituals and doctrine, which atheism MAY not have. However, I see here one doctrine of atheism: "Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of any god. NOT a religion. I also don't believe in unicorns, Thor, bigfoot, celestial teapot, Allah, or the existence of any other mythical character,"
        This is poor logic and verbal sleight of hand. "Don't believe" is the same as "I believe the negative". For example, I do not believe the Vikings can win the Superbowl this season. That is the same as saying "I believe the Vikings will not win the Superbowl." A belief. Unicorns are falsified. So is bigfoot (people admitted the perpetrated the hoax). We share the believe that Thor, a "celestial teapot" and Allah do not exist. That is still a belief, just a shared belief. Atheists are very poor on critical thinking when it comes to atheism.

    • http://yahoo Harold

      NO! There is no such thing as an absence of religion, because the ONLY thing that will count for you in 100 trillion years is your relationship with God.

      The universe has 2 "religions" [actually a relationship w. God supercedes "religion."] being FOR GOD or being FOR HIS ENEMY (satan). An "atheist" is a member of the religion FOR THE ENEMY of God.

      For example! If you believe in the principles of communism/marxism against every other type of government then you would probably be a what??? You are probably a marxist/communist.

      If you believe Hitler was correct in all that he promoted, folks would probably be accurate to call you a nazi. Right?

      Atheists follow [believe in] the Biggest lie which satan puts out [because he ants to be God] that "there is no god", OR "there is no such thing as hell" OR "a loving God wouldn't...." OR "there is no proof yada yada BS." THEREFORE a atheist is following [BELIEVING in] the religion of satan, which opposes the ONLY other "religion" in the universe; The "religion" of God.

      Abraham BELIEVED God and it was accounted to him for "righteousness." [salvation]

  • https://www.youtube.com/haggz51 Dan Haggerty

    Government schools should be abolished. Where in the constitution does it say I have to send my children to a government run school?

    • Guy

      Where is it in the Constitution that land owners should pay for these schools the biggest users of public schools pay nothing and we have no say about it

      • http://blog.ohyonghao.com David

        You do have a say about it, it's called voting. A long time ago that generation of voters decided to invest in everyones children. If you want to get rid of public schools, find a politician willing to sponsor the bill, or run for office yourself, there's nothing stopping you.

    • Nell Webbish

      Where in the Constitution does it say you must drive on the right hand side of the road? Where in the constitution does it say I can't fraudulent coerce you out of every penny in your bank account?

      This is why we NEED a public school system ... to reduce the number of ignorant people who lack even a basic understanding of the legal framework of our nation.

  • David

    Yup, and bald is a hair color. An atheist doesn't believe there is evidence for a God. Something everyone believes in relation to all of the other Gods.

    • opar5

      No, Atheists do not accept the evidence that's all around us: "None are so blind,,,,,,"

    • Paul Lucas

      And here is another doctrine. Obviously there is evidence for the existence of God. An atheist believes the evidence for deity is false. In this way he is much like a creationist -- who believes the evidence supporting evolution is false. This is a belief, a faith.

      Science falsifies ideas: the earth is NOT flat, proteins are NOT the hereditary material, species are NOT constant, etc. Science has not falsified deity. So atheism has no scientific backing, but there you are denying it is a faith. Not good critical thinking.

      • David

        " So atheism has no scientific backing, but there you are denying it is a faith. Not good critical thinking."

        You need to play your game of semantics with someone else. Atheism is a lack or absence of belief in a God or Gods. I am denying it's a certainty, faith and certainty are the antithesis of each other. If you think there is an "obvious" body of evidence for a God, throw it out there, then remember that the same thing you use can be used for any of the thousands of Gods that have lived and died since man could write!

        I don't believe the evidence is false, I KNOW that empirically none exists. Without a non-sequitur, you have no evidence other than your feelings and how you correlate that with your God. Which doesn't bother me in the least. Knock yourself out!

  • WardMD

    Kind of HARD to argue that Atheism ISN'T a Religion, BUT they STILL are demanding "Atheist Chaplains" in the Military!

    Curious...

    HOW does one keep that "wall of separation" between Atheism and State? By requiring that people NOT, deny the existence of God in Public?

    I'm just asking...

  • http://None Benjamin Fox

    Mimi's maybe you missed a important part of this article? Atheism is a religion, takes faith to believe there is no God and the Supreme Court has ruled that is religion, so there religion is okay in schools but, no other? They believe they are insulted by people believing in God so their religion trumps others? Grow up and use the mind God gave you:

  • Thomas R Conn Sr

    There is no such thing as an 'Atheists' everybody believes in something if it is just themselves.

    • Nell Webbish

      You seem to be confused. The word atheism does not mean "believes in nothing".

  • ONTIME

    Looks like big brother is intervening by use of the back door when it comes to belief and 1st amendment rights. This is the new attack, to again distort and parse the words to fit the governments ideas and circumvent the law...the government is using your tax money to undermine your liberties and rights...time to reorganize, cull and pare down the government from top to bottom...

    Atheism is a belief in nothing but one's own self, so it's a rather limited position and not as wide spread as they would like it..It was reported a photographer, refused to work at the request of a gay couple and was sued for discrimination, when the court was asked on what grounds, it came down to the fact the refusal to do biz overcame the right to christian belief...the court is wrong, you have the right to free speech and your beliefs and neither can be constitutionally violated...this is now usurpation and oppression by the law...

    • xillini

      Wait till OUR Government says we all have to be MUSLIMS ? How do they explain how humanity started? IF, we supposedly just came about or from Apes, then why are there still Apes and they not Evolve? I feel for them when THIER DAY comes before GOD !!

      • David

        If I evolved from Germans, why are there still Germans?? Please don't use your ignorance of evolution to cast doubt and attempt to enlighten people!

        • CenTEX

          To be clear, evolution means that two different species evolved into a new kind. Darwin's goldfinches, the stickleback fish have adapted over time but they are still their respective species: birds and fish. They did not change into another kind. Adaptations occur but their is no physical example, fossil or living, that shows any two species, 'cooperated', mutated successfully and are now a new kind. Evolutionists know this too and none of us can go back into time and speak from a first hand experience of anything. This is where faith enters in the picture. Do you have more faith in some seemingly smart guys that are aethists to provide unbiased proof or do you believe in the Creator of all things? Dig deep into the facts of both arguments and you will discover where you land. The greatest minds of our time, after studying the magnificent order of this world and the laws that are steadfast, agree there is no way this was formed without a master Creator (i.e. God)!

        • David

          "To be clear, evolution means that two different species evolved into a new kind." Right, if by 'kind' you mean species. We see this all over the world. If evolution is not true, then why don't we see marsupials in or around ancient Mesopotamia? The Ark would have dropped them off there and we should see the greatest concentration of these animals there. But we don't see ANY marsupials in this part of the world. Could you explain that?

      • opar5

        Vardis Fisher answered your question in his 12 volume "Testament of Man" series. He brought humans from the pack to the family to the clan to the culture to the civilization quite well.

      • http://blog.ohyonghao.com David

        Evolution states that we share a common ancestor, which is most likely now extinct. Humans and our most closely related cousin, the chimpanzee, evolved from the same ancestor, much like some of your own cousins would have come from the same grand parents and not from you.

    • http://k1oik.angelfire.com/egypt Burt Fisher

      You have identified the villain here. It's not the atheist, but instead, it's the actors in government who willingly violate the civil rights of people who do have a religion. 1A says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Yet this is exactly, EXACTLY, what the article describes they are doing. So this is the first thing that needs to be fixed before we start blaming atheists (or Christians or anyone else!). These people swore an oath, and I think they may have said "so help me God." That is a funny turn of a phrase.

  • Irma

    LMAO! The Progressives/Atheists/Lefties are arguing with themselves and losing their own arguments. Seems to me that is considered a sign of insanity!

  • http://[email protected] Howard R. Lowe

    Evolution is not Marxism. Evolution is a fact and no longer a theory. I consider myself to be a devout Episcopalian, and also a scientist (geologist). In fact, evolution bears out and strengthens my belief in GOD.
    Religion is belief, it may not be not necessarily a proven fact. Any of the religions is BELIEF.

    Science is the ability to have an open mind, and you should grant facts.

    • https://www.youtube.com/haggz51 Dan Haggerty

      You have it backwards. Marxism is a form of evolutionary thinking, i.e., dialectical materialism, the withering away of the state, etc. Evolution is not only not a fact, it is no longer a valid theory. It is rapidly heading towards collapse and the world will be a better place for it. BTW, ultra-Darwinist Professor William Provine has a great quote for Christians who believe in Evolution: "Anyone who goes to church and believes in evolution should check their brains at the door".

    • ARH

      Howard - Science is NOT the ability to have an open mind, although any scientist WITHOUT an open mind with regard to his or her scientific field of study will not do scientific inquiry any justice.

    • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

      To say "evolution is a fact" is evidence that you live in a make believe world in your mind. You have embraced a lie and tried to adapt your religion to that lie. That doesn't say much about your religion.

      Even a 5 minute study on evolution vs creationism will yield the truth that evolution cannot be proven by science. It has, however, been disproved by many scientists in many areas. The evolutionary theory of Darwin is no longer accepted even by today's evolutionist. The theory has "evolved" itself into a more convoluted lie than it was before. It only remains among scientists today because the god of this world is the god of many scientist who hold high positions in this world within universities and education and government. They believe this false theory in spite of much and growing evidence to the contrary. Unlike the kingdom of God, the kingdoms of this world do not produce soundness of mind and wisdom, but foolish and stupid thinking, and bowing to money and power over truth.

  • Raymond

    Humanists, Atheists Demanding More Privileges

    Today’s drive for “tolerance” and multiculturalism has created some strange scenarios. Major Ray Bradley has applied to be recognized as the first humanist “distinctive faith group leader” in the U.S. Army. Currently, the service only recognizes “atheist” as a category that Bradley can have inscribed on his dog tags.

    He objects to this designation as too negative: “Humanism is a philosophy that guides a person. It’s more than just a stamp of what you’re not.” When Bradley enlisted in 1986, the only designation available was: “No Religious preference.” His present effort is supported by the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF). Besides “humanist,” they want to see “spiritual but not religious” added to the official designations available in the Army’s official records.

    The MAAF is also responsible for getting Bibles removed from the Air Force list of items provided in approved lodging facilities, and the word, “God” from the logo of its Rapid Capabilities office. One threatening letter from the MAAF was all it took.

    In Dallas, The American Humanist Association (AHA) took a page out of the homosexual playbook and accused a theater of violating the federal Civil Rights Act by refusing to show an advertisement from a local atheist group.

    These efforts are just part of a growing trend by militant anti-religion activists to speak up for more recognition. Over the last few years, billboards, bus placards and even public demonstrations promoting “disbelief” have made news.

    According to the most recent American Religious Identification Survey, approximately 30 million people in the United States identify themselves as atheist, humanist, freethinker or agnostic.

    But humanism is more central to mankind’s basic rebellion against his Creator. As Bradley points out, humanism is a philosophy that guides people, not just a declaration of no confidence in the existence of a Creator.

    In fact, Satan’s lie to Eve that she could “be as gods,” was the start of Bradley’s philosophy of humanism which elevates mankind to the supreme position in the universe.

    The full blossoming of humanism began about the same time as the Reformation. Under the thumb of the popes during the dark ages, ignorance and superstition reigned in the culture. Without available books, few could read.

    Gutenberg’s printing press (and the wonderful chemists who invented cheap paper) broke that barrier. Within 50 years, 10 million books were available; especially the Bible.

    But when you read the Bible, you have to make a choice: submit to your Creator —or reject Him. Two streams of modern history were born at that point: the Reformation and the Secular streams.

    Biblical doctrine guided the Reformation, which transformed western culture into the most prosperous, free society yet. Birth pangs in Northern Europe and Great Britain birthed the United States of America, dedicated to living in accord with a biblical path.

    But the humanists in Europe, who fostered the bloody French Revolution, were busy planting seeds of their “philosophy” in America. Harvard, Yale, and Columbia were founded as pastor training schools. Now they are fountainheads of godlessness which flows all the way down to our kindergartens.

    Humanism seeks to establish heaven on earth by evolution’s natural selection, technology’s grand discoveries, psychology’s personality enhancements, and search for cosmic enlightenment. Biblical prophecy shows that their dream will never happen; that only Jesus’ return can redeem the creation from the pollution of human arrogance.

    • https://www.youtube.com/haggz51 Dan Haggerty

      Pretty good post except for continuing the canard about ignorance and superstition in the middle ages. In fact the middle ages was the time when science and exploration first developed in the University system established by the Church. Western civilization was born in the middle ages and as you point out, it is being destroyed by secular humanism.
      Virtually everything valuable in our civilization is a product of Christianity, and we are abandoning it to the Islamic hordes.

    • ARH

      Raymond, your forthright honesty is as usual refreshing to read.

  • Raymond

    American Atheists president David Silverman, officiating at a ceremony in Bradford County,
    Florida, to unveil an atheist monument, let his guard down for a moment and referred to atheism
    as what it is -- a religion.

    Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/11513/atheist-leader-slips-admits-its-a-religion/#ixzz2XnKqoLtO

  • JVB5058

    Everything taught is a THEORY...evolution THEORY and creation THEORY....and should be taught as such.

    • David

      To make that claim is to be be completely ignorant to the meaning of what a theory is. It is the highest possible status attained in the scientific method. Is creationism a theory? Nope! Not even close. I don't care if you believe it, it's just dishonest to claim it's science.

    • Raymond

      Revelation 20

      11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

      12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

      13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

      14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

      15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

  • Ed Dohar

    Evolution is a lie based on a manufactured “missing link” This so-called “link” should be found in profusion all over the world if Evolution were true. There is no such gradation of species; each are unique creations by the author of life, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, Emanuel who by His blood delivers sinners who believe lies from eternal death. Those who live in continual confessed sin are in danger of God’s wrath. Christianity is faith in the grace of Jesus Christ, “The Way, the Truth and the Life”, the only Savior of the world. Look in da Book!

    • opar5

      Atheists define religion as a firm belief that cannot be supported by science. That certainly defines atheists. Science tells us that everything in the universe is composed of energy. To argue that none of those energy forms was/is sentient denies our own existence. All living things seem sentient - even plants that move ther leaves to follow the sun while others thrive or die in flower-pots, depending on the attitude(s) of their providers. Sentient things - including ourselves - tend to learn. Did mortal creatures get all that sentient energy - or is there plenty more in the cosmos, learning from the experiences of mortal beings sharing small parts of that sentient energy? Is there any other way a sentient, energy-being can learn or experience anything except through mortal beings it inhabits? A sentient universe and evolution are not only compatable, but a logical pairing. There are far more evolutionary dead-ends than successes, but without some outside nudging, how could the slow development of the eye or ear have ever come about? Did tax-collector Saul fall to a Near death Experience and become Paul with a world-changing philosophy and determination? Was Muhammad bin Abdullah divinely inspired - or no more coherent than other Epileptics (as described by M.D. Dede Korkut in his book “Life Alert, The Medical Case of Muhammad”)? But then again, proto-Hinduism: Brahman, represents that cosmic, sentient creature they call God. The rational arguments seem more about form than the existance of something greater than we, affecting us in some way(s).

  • Blueviolets

    So if atheism is a religion then we must keep it out of the public schools and all other public areas since the atheists insist on a separation of any religion and state. By teaching evolution they are bringing their religion into the classroom.

  • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

    Our founding fathers were well aware of the fact that you cannot teach children correctly without a basic foundation of true religion, i.e. Christianity. That is why they promoted Christian doctrine and Biblical precepts within the school and the Bible was used, along with prayer. The first Congress funded the printing of the fist American Bible to be used in public schools. They also knew that good, law abiding citizens come from proper religious upbringing and that such training must be included in public schools, howbeit, without sectarian influence, only basic Biblical Christianity.

  • lilith

    Evolution is also a religion just as atheism is. In fact it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creation!

  • Wigglypoff

    Religion is defined as: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe. Atheism addresses all of these things.

    • http://k1oik.angelfire.com/egypt Burt Fisher

      If you are going to define the word "religion" then you need to define the word "atheist" the same way, "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."

  • Mike Hughes

    Atheism is a belief system, just as any other religion is a belief system. Therefore, their doctrine of "evolution" to support their belief that no "god" is required to explain how everything came to be should NOT be taught in "government school", commonly known as "public school" per the scandalously misapplied "doctrine" of the "separation of church and state"! Let them drink deeply of the poison that they have created!

  • http://www.kennethballard.com Kenneth

    But if the federal government is arguing that atheism is a religion, then how do they justify public schools teaching that there is no God – aka atheism. Science classes all across the country fight to prevent biblical creation from being taught because it is a religious view. Instead, they push evolution, which says there is no God and thus, according to the federal government, is a religion and therefore should not be allowed to be taught in public schools either.

    Ah Kent Hovind would be proud to be reading that, assuming he's allowed Internet access in his Federal prison cell...

    Walk into any science classroom and listen to their lecture on evolution. Nowhere will you hear the teacher say "And this, boys and girls, shows us that there is no god" or anything close to that. And if you do hear that, I'd like to know about it.

    Out of curiosity, would you consider teaching the heliocentric model to be "atheist" as well, since it also contradicts the description of the universe given in the Bible?

    And it's not just atheists fighting to prevent the teaching of creationism in public schools. In the most recent lawsuit on the issue -- Kitzmiller v. Dover -- many of the plaintiffs to the lawsuit are practicing Christians. In some of the lawsuits regarding prayer in public schools, the plaintiffs are Christians or Catholics.

    We fight to prevent the teaching of creationism in public schools because it is demonstrably wrong. The theory of evolution -- which merely explains the diversity of life as it exists on this planet and how it became diverse -- is supported by a wide body of evidence and is demonstrably true. If you want sources on how you can find that information, a starting point is the Talk Origins website, which has all the links and citations you could ever want to see -- presuming you'll actually look at it instead of dismiss it outright.

    To teach evolution is not to teach there is no God, because evolution explains only how life became diverse, not who (if there is a who) made it diverse. If you want to teach your children that God drives evolution, go ahead. No one is going to stop you. But you shouldn't have the public schools teaching that point of view either.

    • CJM2

      Kenneth: You said: "Walk into any science classroom and listen to their lecture on evolution. Nowhere will you hear the teacher say "And this, boys and girls, shows us that there is no god" or anything close to that," and in today's world, you are wrong. Some science teachers DO tell the students that "there is no god" when discussing evolution; they buttress it by stating humans exist because of evolution.

      • Mike

        Does it ever bother you that you can lie so easily?

  • Wigglypoff

    Evolution is a fact and a process created by god. We see this on a cellular level. Do some research. Don't make yourselves look ridiculously stupid. Bacteria evolves to become resistant. Humans have evolved to resist bacteria. There is a cellular war going on constantly.

    The more I see how perfectly the body was created to adapt and over come(that is evolved) the more I beleive in god.

    I know most of you won't read this far because of a lack of a open mind. This reminds me of the Pharisees who Jesus called vipers. Science and Christian beliefs are not at odds with each other. Science proves many things and to me science suggest the existence of a supreme being(not the opposite).

    • Jack

      There are genetic changes but no changes into different kinds of animals. It is totally unscientific and illogical to believe that life can come from non-life and that intelligence can come from non-intelligence and that DNA code can morph into more complex DNA code. Evolution (micro evolution) is a totally unscientific belief based on no observational or tested scientific methods. Science itself proves the impossibility. Again the DNA is actually a code like a computer code. You cannot mess with it and expect it to improve -- just the opposite happens. Organisms cannot morph DNA into some new better code.

      • Jack

        Should have said "macro evolution."

      • Jack

        Should have said, "macro evolution."

    • James

      There are multiple definitions of the word evolution. There is micro-evolution, macro-evolution, chemical evolution and several others. Only one of these definitions (micro-evolution)is demonstrable fact and often gives a "free rider" effect to the others. This form of evolution can more accurately be called a variation within the species. Any species can adapt to certain variations but it will always remain the same species. For example a short haired breed of dog will eventually breed a long haired dog if left in a cold environment but it will never become a polar bear(macro-evolution). So yes evolution can be considered a fact but only one definition of it, the rest is still theory.

    • witsend

      Wigglypoff: You say evolution is fact - I see no evidence of it! However, you also say that "Science and Christian beliefs are not at odds with each other." You are absolutely correct with that. If evolution as it is being taught is real,(I do not believe it is.)then I believe it is proof of a Creator. Thus, Creationism should be being taught side by side with evolution.

    • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

      Wigglypoff, you are comparing apples with oranges. No creationist denies the adaptation abilities of all living things. This is known as micro-evolution to the evolutionist. This allows living things to survive and cope in many conditions. The contention is over macro-evolution or the changing of one species or kind into another kind, i.e., chimpanzee into man. This has never been proven, nor is there one shred of evidence in the fossil record. All kinds remain as they were when first created by God. If you are indeed a scientist, you've swallowed a bunch of propaganda and are living in a dream world.

  • 5alive5

    I posted but it got lost apparently.
    Mudguy, yeah, by all means, things have been so much better since we took God out of our schools. Teen pregnancy rates sky rocketing, drop out rates are shooting up, gang killings, drugs, shootings, yup things are just dandy since we took God out of the schools. NOT!

  • Raymond

    More Proof That God Is The Creator Of All Things.

    The human red blood cell (erythrocyte) is perfectly designed to carry oxygen throughout the body. Even evolutionary writings use terms such as “highly specialized” and “nature’s design” to describe these amazing things.

    The blood cells flow in plasma through the body’s breathtakingly complex circulatory system, which is used to maintain the body’s temperature, regulate the body’s pH balance, provide communication, transport oxygen, nutrients, hormones, clotting agents, and immune defense mechanisms such as antibodies, white blood cells, and platelets, and remove waste. Blood flows everywhere in the body, from the roots of the hair to the toes.

    The red blood cells are formed in the marrow of the ribs, pelvis, and some other bones. They are 1/25,000 of an inch in size. There are about 25 trillion of them in the body, and they live only 100-120 days. They must be replaced because they are unable to synthesize new enzymes to replace those lost during normal cell metabolic process due to their lack of organelles. The body replaces the blood cells at the rate of about 2.5 million per second, but that rate can be increased if the body needs more blood cells due to heavy bleeding or a reduction in oxygen content of the air at high altitude.

    The main function of the red blood cell is to carry oxygen throughout the human body, and it is perfectly designed for this. First of all, its shape, which is biconcave and looks similar to a donut, allows more surface area to facilitate absorption and diffusion of oxygen. The shape of the red blood cell also allows it to contort through minute blood capillaries that are smaller in diameter than itself, and it can spring back to its original shape. Further, it can carry more hemoglobin molecules because it loses its nucleus, and its internal organelles (cell organs) are degraded soon after it is made, and it thus has more storage capacity than other types of cells in the body. Each red blood cell carries about 300 million hemoglobin molecules.

    The hemoglobin (or haemoglobin) molecule that is carried within the red blood cell (and that gives the bright red color) is a miracle of design in its own right. It is an iron-containing protein that allows oxygen to be picked up from the lungs and carried through the fluid of the circulatory system. The hemoglobin molecule has a single atom of iron at its center, and in the lungs this iron atom combines with oxygen to create a compound called oxyhemoglobin. Oxygen by itself is not very soluble in water, but the hemoglobin molecule binds four oxygen molecules to itself, “consequently hemoglobin permits human blood to carry more than 70 times the amount of oxygen that it could have carried otherwise” (http://help.com/post/202779-are-there-any-parts-inside-a-red-bl).

    After the hemoglobin transports its oxygen to cells in the body, it reinvents itself as a waste disposal entity; combining with the carbon dioxide given off by the cells as waste it carries this back to the lungs.

    The processes that take place in the blood are extremely complicated and interrelated at the most fundamental level. Everything from the individual atoms up must work together in perfect harmony for the individual to survive. And the blood is only one part of the circulatory system that, in turn, is intimately interrelated with the other systems of the body. Even something as simple as a change in the shape of the red blood cell is a threat to survival.

    A system this complicated screams out “divine creation.”

    Further, nearly three and a half millennia ago the Bible said “the life of the flesh is in the blood” (Lev. 17:11). Only in these most modern of times have we learned how scientifically accurate that statement was!

  • Maybehuh

    Yeah... Please do this... Say goodbye to doctors and phsysists at very least. If they don't learn that early on and build on it they would be screwed when they made their way to college, taking elemtary biology, and just learning the solar system. Don't hinder education in your blindness. I have seen this "religion (atheism)" save lives countless times. In fact many other "religions" appeal to it for aid when theirs fails. Do what good religions do best, incorporate those ideas into ID theory??? I think as science moves forward so too must religion. Where we have moved from just seeing the bones under our flesh, on a flat world in the center of the universe, and god being just beyond the clouds; we have seen now cellular growth through microscopes, atoms exploding at enormous capacity, to stars five times larger than our own sun, to not just an earth but solar systems inside galaxies through intergalactic space. A much larger god is needed with a much smaller pencil I think. I'm not telling you to not believe in god, creationism by a god, believe what ever pleases you heart and makes you happy, but don't believe this... Know this... Science can save lives, prolong life, invent cars, tv, radio, internet, facebook; you get the idea...

    • Jack

      The argument is NOT evolution vs. religion, but what is good science. There is nothing scientific that can explain the beginning of life, or the beginning of intelligence, or even the beginning of DNA, which all life has. As a matter of fact, a simple understanding of DNA scientifically precludes anything else but a Creator God. Have you seen a picture of DNA – it is an exceedingly complex physical structure, especially considering it is also an intelligent code which directs the organism’s growth, function, maintenance, and reproduction. It is virtually impossible for the organism's DNA code to morph into a more advances life form. Ipso facto, evolution (micro evolution) is impossible. Genetic changes, yes, micro evolution (DNA morph), NO.

    • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

      Dr. David Menton taught medical students for many years at Washington University. He taught them about the human body and many other things. He is a Creationist. I heard him say in a talk (I was present) he gave that in all his years as a professor, evolution had nothing whatsoever to do with what he taught. It had nothing to do with medicine and what a physician does.
      As he further talked about evolutionary theory, he noted it is a belief that millions of mutations caused new creatures and improvement to occur in living things. Then he described the reality of a mutation. He said cancer cells are a form of mutation. They do not make improvements, but generally tend to shorten the life that has them and even cause their death. His wife died of a mutation (breast cancer).
      Evolutionary theory fails on every front wherein it is studied by real scientists. The immense complexity of living things all by itself refutes evolution by the laws of probability. The chances of any living thing forming out of nothing is impossible 1:10 to the 80th power. The chance of God forming everything is 1:1.
      Attributing this immense complexity and design of all living things and their interaction with each other, the entire ecosystem, to a non-entity of "nature" is blaspheme against the true God who created all these things by his great wisdom and power that is even beyond our comprehension.

  • Norm McIntosh

    Atheism Is not and can not be a religion. Religions are artificial belief systems, theologies, with some form of belief in a super power, many super powers or something outside of the individual that guides their life and the life in all else that exists. An Atheist has no artificial belief system and as such, if truly committed to their position, sees no validity in the other artificial belief systems. Therefore since the Atheist can not see or accept the validity of any of the artificial belief systems they not threatened by them or their beliefs. For example I do not support or hold any validity in the supernatural. For me it doesn't and can not exist, therefore I can not believe in ghosts or, any other form of the supernatural, and am not threatened or frightened by the possibility of their existence. So since I can not believe in or see any validity in other artificial belief systems I can not be threatened by them or their theologies. I do however do accept the evil or depraved nature of some persons. So for those whose theology is put forth at the point of a sword or by the acts of government I do accept they pose a threat and act accordingly. I do not deny any man the right to believe as he sees fit so long as it goes no farther than his nose. I have been to many churches of many different belief systems as an endeavor to understand how some choose to add understanding to the often confusing and terrifying world around them. Do I give one hoot about how others believe, not as long as it helps them coexist in a peaceful, intelligent, thoughtful, society and gives them peace within themselves. Those who claim to be Atheists and go forth trying to deny others their belief systems are acting out of feeling threatened by others beliefs. This can not be as a true Atheist! To feel threatened by a belief one must first accept that their might be validity to the others point of view, that I cannot do, so I do not fear how others believe. I went to Schools in Virginia during the 50's and 60's when there were in school prayers posted on the classroom walls and recited daily. I bowed my head and kept my mouth shut, their beliefs and practices did not affect or threaten me so nothing would have been gained from protest of complaint. My family was religious but from all my studies there was no validity that I could find in religion nor did I find the personal need for any of it. My life has been one of Science and inquiry and I see nothing beyond my acceptance that would require embracing a theology. It grieves me to see people claiming to be Atheists, who out of fear or just malicious intent attack the beliefs of others. It makes no logical sense. It is a waste of time energy and shows a lack of intellect.

    • Jack

      Logic dictates these realities:
      1. Something cannot come from nothing. (Note: Even an idea does not come from nothing -- it comes from someone.)
      2. Life cannot come from non-life.
      3. Intelligence cannot come from no intelligence.
      So --
      4. "In the beginning" there was something -- obviously, since something can't come from nothing.
      5. The "something" that was in the beginning had life -- obviously, because life exists, and life can't come from non-life.
      6. The "something" that was in the beginning had intelligence -- obviously, because intelligence exists, and non-intelligence can't produce intelligence.
      7. The "something" that was in the beginning is God -- obviously, because only in God could life and intelligence exist at the beginning of the universe.

      Since God created all that is, He must have done it for a purpose. This is explained by the Gospel.

    • Karl

      I am glad you have such noble humanistic values! Have you ever stopped to examine how you decided to arrive at and follow these ideals? Sometimes the unexamined life can miss some of the most important aspects of life itself.

  • http://www.archivale.com/weblog Marc de Piolenc

    How can a ruling about housing allowances be relevant to the teaching of science? Evolution is a fact...or it isn't. Either way, the affiliations and financial arrangements of advocates and detractors are irrelevant. If evolution is to be excluded from schooling simply because a group recognized (against its will!) as "religious" advocates it, then it is time to take this imbecilic legal doctrine to its logical conclusion and exclude EVERYTHING from public school teaching on the grounds that, at some point, some religiously-affilited group must have supported its teaching.

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  • Karen

    Along with Atheism, Humanism was acknowledged as being a religion by the Supreme Court in 1961.

  • CJM2

    I have always said that atheism is a religion. They have a Creed (philosophy)that teaches there is no God, or a disbelief in God; they have meeting places for their congregations where they plan strategies to harass Christianity and those who profess a belief in God and Christ; they have a set of canons (church laws) by which they use in their strategic meetings (how to file law suits that are anti-religious, etc); they have a 'bible' that they use to preach from; and they proselytize in order to acquire converts to atheism. I thank the Courts for acknowledging what I have always said and Christians thank the Courts as well.

  • Souky

    There is a serious logical flaw in your analysis. Atheism may be a religion...but evolution IS NOT.

    Evolution does not say there is no God. IT doesn't say there IS one either. It doesn't care.

    So, no evolution does not fall into the "Religion" category

    (See, I believe in God AND I know evolution happens). They are NOT mutually exclusive beliefs...unless you take the Bible literally - which one would be a fool to do. It was written by men.

    • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

      Evolution thinking is part of a religion. It's called materialism, or believing only in what one can see, touch, and feel. They deny the spiritual realm and even the soul and spirit of man. The religious person who believes in God and claims evolution is not a believer in the Christian or Hebrew God, as he denies what that God taught men in the Bible. They have created a different religion which is not Christian or Biblical. The Bible utterly refutes all notions of evolution, i.e., millions and billions of years for God to create life via death. Evolutionary theory is blaspheme as it attributes the power and wisdom and abilities of a supernatural God to the non-entity of "nature" (a false god).

    • Karl

      Those who state evolution is not a religion are correct. Just like those who believe evolution was used by God to create. Religion is essentially the values people use to shape the way they think about various matters and also the way they can most easily be swayed to take action upon those values through these very same thought patterns. Those who have thoughts leaning towards evolution do also attach these thoughts to other values they hold on to and it is those "other values" that comprise their religious perspective.

    • Jack

      There is NO scientific evidence that proves evolution (macro evolution). Can you name just one thing verified as an evolution fact?

      During Dr. Colin Patterson’s 1981 lecture at the American Museum of Natural History, he asked his colleagues, “Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing, any one thing that is true?” Not one of his evolutionist colleagues were willing to offer even one example.

      The reality is that macro evolution is impossible. All organisms have DNA, which includes a highly complex code and defines the organism, and there is no possibility the code can be morphed beneficially.

  • Richard Driskill

    Howard - (part 2)

    Evolutionary hypothesis? Yes. Evolutionary fact? Not by a long shot. What you are effectively promoting is 'intelligent design'; where the system of science and God co-mingle. Did you know, according to science, that human beings can live to be 1,000 years old? In the realm of genetics, if we knew of all our genes (we now do), and if we understood exactly what each one did in every combination (we're working on that), and if we could manipulate each and every one; we could live to be 1,000.

  • Richard Driskill

    Howard - (part 3)

    Strange how for many millennium that The Bible has told us of the story of Methuselah who lived to be 969 years of age. Did you know that the most accurate timekeeper ever known is not a cesium-based clock, but rather the Biblical calendar? It's true; what at first appears to be the only calendar way out of whack (based on 360 days) among others is more accurate than anything we have. The catch is, like all calendars, it has adjustments that must be made at specified times. If you do that, as instructed, it will gain accuracy to surpass anything we can devise. Did you know that human visual acuity (and no other animal) falls at a single point within the 2 scales that make-up the electromagnetic spectrum (4th constant of the universe)?

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P3GagfbA2vo Chris Hollis

    Here is a crash course in evolution for those of you that do not understand or know what it is. Evolution is not a religion. It has nothing to do with religion.

  • Richard Driskill

    At the exact frequency of 547.722557505166 THz and the same exact number in wavelength (nanometers), it is the only spot in the entire, massively large electromagnetic spectrum that this occurs. The 2 scales were derived at different times and by different people, so there is no shenanigans going on here. It is the 100% visual acuity point for us and is a brilliant shade of green/yellow (like day-glow green). This also happens to be the color most associated with life.

    No, "evolution" (as we are taught to believe) is not the root of man. It is not science that is defective, but rather the scientists who automatically takes it upon themselves to 'work' the system (thereby corrupting science) to agree with his personal views, not really caring what the actual truth might really be. That is to say they really aren't intelligent enough not to be frauds. A real shame.

  • The Unknown Pundit

    Atheism is not a religion. The courts have ruled that atheists have the same religious freedoms and rights that believers do and only under those circumstances is it considered a "religion". So your first premise is completely and totally wrong.

    As for teaching religious myths as science, get real. The Bible is not science and fables are not science. I'm sorry you believe myths to be true.

  • Chris Hollis

    Atheism is not a religion

    Bald is not a hair color

    Off is not a TV channel

    Abstinence is not a sexual position

    Naked is not a clothing style

    Not collecting stamps is not a hobby

  • The Unknown Pundit

    Actually, the courts have not declared atheism a religion. The courts have ruled that atheists have the same rights and privileges under the constitution that believers do. So under those strictly defined circumstances is atheism considered a religion for legal purposes only. You are therefore completely wrong on your initial assertion.

    And even if you weren't wrong, it would make no difference regarding teaching creationism because creationism is a myth and not science. Myths have no place in the science curriculum. Teach creation myths in religious studies were they belong.

  • Bryan

    Not believing in a god isn't a religion. Evolution isn't a religion.

    Good to see christian comments here are as daft and ignorant as ever though.

    • Jack

      So typical -- when the libs fail the debate, they turn to name calling.

      • The Unknown Pundit

        What name calling? Bryan characterized the comments of xtians as "daft and ignorant" and that definitely is NOT name calling.

  • http://www.lesliefish.com Leslie Fish

    *Sigh* Look, if Atheism is a religion (it's certainly a religious philosophy), then it has the same rights and legal limitations as any other religion. That means, if "Creationism" (the Christian creation myth) can be taught in the public schools, then Atheism can be taught in the schools too -- and so can everybody else's religion: Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism, Shintoism, Shamanism, and even Satanism, thank you. Are you sure you want that?

    • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

      Leslie, why is it that people think we must include either all or none when it comes to religion? To include none, means atheism. To include all means polytheism, or a belief in many gods. The first commandment of the ten states, "You shall have no other gods besides me." If we are truly a God fearing people, then we must embrace one God, the only true God and Creator (the Christian God). Our forefathers did this. But the past few generations have been brainwashed as to what is right and wrong and civil rights has been perverted. It is not wrong to exclude the false teachings of both atheists and Muslims or Buddhists.

      • Nell Webbish

        You are completely free to believe that and live your life accordingly. You do not have a right in the US to insist that the law force every American to live their lives as if they believed exactly as you do.

        It's called religious tolerance ... something that some Christians seem to be diametrically opposed to for anyone but themselves.

    • Nell Webbish

      Except atheism is not a religion. It has no organized set of beliefs, cultural systems, or world views that relate humanity to the spiritual or supernatural. It has no traditions, rites, ceremonies, narratives, symbols or sacred texts that are meant to explain the meaning of life or the existence of the universe. There is no beliefs that give rise to atheist commandments, laws, or preferred lifestyles.

      Atheism possess absolutely none of the attributes that make religions in to the thing that people who believe in religion value about religion.

      It makes no sense at all for people who cherish their religious life to call atheism a religion. It's irrational.

  • Gregg Weber

    As I've said before; Atheism is a religion just as the number zero is a number.
    It is subject to the same rules, regulations, and responsibilities as any other religious belief.
    If they are not organized as others, that is their concern.

    • zeplinair

      That is not a proper analogy. And yes you do have to have an organized religious identity repleat with traditions and rituals. I think what is getting confused in the article are groups such as Humanists. Humanists are largely secular, but have an identifying philosphy of what they are. In some areas, including the militaries in some countries, they have 'chaplains' and similar ritual officiators and counselors. But most atheists and agnostics are not Humanists-they truly are the 'nones'. It is possible to NOT have a religion, as foreign as the idea may seem to you.

  • v steve

    If there was no GOD we would not know good or evil we would all be in unity in our daily deeds.

    • zeplinair

      A religion may formally codify what is in their culture (real problem if that old culture becomes outdated and irrelevant), but they are not the original source of ethics or morals. The "Word of God" in Christianity is the Bible. But all must cherry pick the Bible, ignoring wide swaths of rules and practices (many of them abhorrent in our more enlightened culture) proving the Bible cannot be the source of our ethical sensibilities, since the Bible can not be the critia for its own cherry picking. We came by our ethics and morals the long and hard way-through long social change and dialog scaffolding us to more admirably humane paradigms. This is so much so that the most staunch fundamentalist Christian transported to Biblical times would come off as a bleeding-heart liberal, appalled at how little human life and suffering was worth back then ("thou shall not murder" did not mean the same thing as it does now). Our moral and ethical sensibilities, enculturated to feel right to us since childhood, leading to the mistaken idea they were somehow magically (or divinely) inserted into us, are hugely different, and better, than they were back then. "God" did not put that in us; we put that into each other.

  • Gnafu

    Atheism is not a religion. Atheists do not believe in any religion is more correct. Atheists may have a philosophy but certainly NO RELION!

  • Charles of Waveland, MS.

    It is NOT the FEDS job to say anything when it comes to religion or your rights.

  • http://no. EvilVegan

    Evolution does not teach there is no God and it is not a religious belief of atheists. The scientific method teaches that you can observe reality and test things out to find out if they're true.

    The FACT that this leads to the conclusion that the Christian God is a false god is not being taught. Anyone who figures that out just just has a brain that is working correctly.

    *If* there's a God (who cares?) then he "made" us through the process of evolution without any evidence to the contrary. Anyone who claims otherwise doesn't understand reality and is holding on to delusions for fear of fire.

    Christians are all atheists. Atheists of Thor, Vishnu, Ra, etc. To claim that Atheism is a religion is ignorant.

  • daves

    So this means that atheists are now eligible for all the same tax breaks as religions?

    Only provable facts should ever be taught in schools.

  • Nell Webbish

    Evolution says nothing about God one way or another. It neither posits the existence of any deity nor does it assert the non-existence of any deity.

    Literally billions of devout and faithful Christians, Jews, Muslims and Bahá'í's from around the world have no problem accepting evolution as the natural process that gave rise to the amazing biological diversity we see on earth.

    The urge to push evolution out of public schools is a crime against our nation's children. The only assured outcome of such insanity is that American students will be handicapped in performing in any area that relies on a firm understanding of biological principles. It is a fast track to ensuring that America becomes a third world country in any number of industries and emerging technologies.

    All because a small number of American Christians can't manage to wrap their minds around a world created by God that includes evolution.

    Shame on you and your advocacy of willful ignorance and stupidity.

  • http://pastorsb.com Hopeful_One

    Nell, it is you who advocate "willful ignorance and stupidity. Neither is it a "small number" that won't accept evolution. Back in '62-'63 American Christians far outnumbered any other belief system, yet the Supreme Court, and only 5 of them, advocated for atheism in schools, removing prayer and the Bible. Therein 5 pro-atheists destroyed the religious freedom in this country making the schools atheist.
    Those judges were evolutionists who believed in "evolving" morals and laws. You are an evolutionist yet you don't see how "evolving" and "survival of the fittest" has nothing to do with creation and the order in this world or the universe. If you had faith in God you would not be so blind to spiritual truth that supersedes and underlies all truth.
    That basic truth is that God created all things by His power and wisdom. He did not create death, disorder, killing, and all the immorality that destroys people's lives.
    Even you have a deep need for God and his Word of truth. You cannot live with it. Every soul that rejects truth and light dies within. And those that die within fall into the destructive path of death, living in wickedness and all manner of ungodliness.

    • Mike

      "Back in '62-'63 American Christians far outnumbered any other belief system, yet the Supreme Court, and only 5 of them, advocated for atheism in schools, removing prayer and the Bible. Therein 5 pro-atheists destroyed the religious freedom in this country making the schools atheist."

      What a phenomenally dumb thing to say. Taking the religious content out of something does not make it "atheist." Is a blank sheet of paper an atheistic document? Grow up.

    • zeplinair

      Nell is entirely correct. And actually, the secularization of schools wasn't begun by atheists, it was because of the friction of differing forms of Christianity all that had their preferred version of the Bible, prayers, etc.-whose sect was to be endorsed - not to mention that most had it out for the Catholics.

    • zeplinair

      Your narrowness of thinking also confuses science (ie evolutionary science) with an ideology. It is a testable model(s)to explain the data in the physical world. It yields predictions that can also be tested or observed. It says nothing about what we should consider right or wrong, or where we should go from here as a people or society. It also says nothing about believing in 'evolving'-that sound more out of self-help, or something. It is a PHYSICAL science. Religion runs into trouble when (some) people try to set the untestable assertions of their particular religious interpretation against the counterpart testable assertions of science. Religion loses that battle when society for the sake of well being and economics, depends on getting the physical reality straight. And in case it is news to you, nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution-it is the central organizing tenet of biology today and especially vital when medically dealing with infectious diseases, which are always evolving in ways inconvenient for us, such as resistance, whether you 'believe' in evolution or not. And get over it-evolution is a FACT like gravity. We KNOW it happened. The only quibbling in science are competing details on various mechanisms, etc. which are far advanced from Darwin's day.

    • zeplinair

      It was religious friction-whose Bible version, prayer version, whose practice is endorsed/enforced, etc, of the various protestant sects (and they all had it out for the Catholics) that first secularized public schools, not "atheists".

  • Tigress for Liberty

    I get a kick out of these atheist having a hissy fit because the Feds say that Atheism is a religion. LOL!!!

  • 99Loretta

    Actually, atheism is a lack of religion:

    http://youtu.be/3kE-qijoOOQ