Duck Dynasty, Duck Commander Wines, and the Freedom to Discriminate

Duck Dynasty has caught the imagination of millions of viewers. I’ve only seen a few segments, so I can’t speak to the attraction, although I’ve read a number of articles that explain why the show is so popular.

But with popularity comes differences of opinion. The latest is over wine.

“Despite his devotion to dinner time prayers and Christian values, ‘Duck Dynasty’ star Willie Robertson has been axed from speaking at a benefit in Bristol, Tenn. for the faith and bible-driven organization, Family Ministries.”

Robertson was disinvited because of the family’s new business venture — Duck Commander Wines.

This isn't anything new. Charlton Heston had been invited to speak at Mars Hill Bible School in Florence, Alabama, for its annual fund-raising banquet. Controversy erupted after Heston was seen doing a Bud Light beer commercial that aired during the 1996 Super Bowl.

Millions of Christians are taught that the Bible prohibits drinking alcohol. I’m not going to take up the argument here. If you want to study the issue, you can pick up a copy of What Would Jesus Drink? For whatever reason, Family Ministries and Mars Hill Bible School had the right to invite or disinvite anybody they want.

Heston’s response in a released statement to the controversy is important:

“If my lighthearted commercial broadcast during the Super Bowl offended anyone, I respect their beliefs. I would not dream of holding the organization to their commitment if they would prefer I would not appear.”


There’s a political lesson that needs to be discussed. The Christian Ministry and the Bible School and the Duck Dynasty folks and Charlton Heston hold a particular set of beliefs. No government agency is involved in the transaction in the maintenance of those beliefs. Each of the participants is free to act in terms of those beliefs. This is the way it should be, even if you and I might vehemently disagree with their reasoning.

This is no longer the case. With the passage of new legislation created to carve out special rights for politically designated groups, certain types of business transactions are now the legal domain of the State.

A business is an extension of the business owner. If a business owner wants to sever a business relationship with someone because of the customer’s personal views (no matter what they are) or behavior, then so be it. It’s not the government’s business.

Homosexuals have now been given special legal status. Business owners are now being forced to engage in business practices that are contrary to their beliefs. For example, a photography company in New Mexico was sued because it would not photograph a same-sex wedding. A bakery was sued because it refused to make a cake specifically designed for a same-sex wedding.

These special legal carve-outs are just the beginning. When the State declares certain behaviors and viewpoints to have special legal status, there is no end to the tyranny.


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  • Rich

    Some folks good and bad don't have a clue about the real world.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    Had the constitutional framers established government and society upon Yahweh's immutable morality as codified in His commandments, statutes, and judgments (including Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13), this could have never occurred because there would be no homosexual agenda in America. No sodomite or lesbian would dare risk exposing themselves by petitioning the government for their "rights."

    "'[B]ecause they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law … they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind….' (Hosea 8:1, 7)

    "A familiar proverb declares, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” America’s “hell” has been paved with rights, including:

    "Natural rights
    Human rights
    Civil rights
    Political rights
    Religious rights (including the right for all non-Christian religions to proliferate)
    Educational rights
    Women’s rights (including the right to murder one’s unborn baby)
    Children’s rights
    Health care rights
    Welfare rights
    Homosexual rights
    Transgender rights

    "And this is the short list.... Because the framers failed to expressly establish the Constitution on Biblical ethics, the Ninth Amendment was inevitably interpreted to include the above list, as well as other Biblical infractions.

    "The latest to come from the rights culture created by the framers is the right of young men who claim to be transgender to share locker rooms, bathrooms, and even showers with girls in our public schools...."

    For more, see blog article "America's Hell: Paved With Rights" at http://www.constitutionmythbusters.org/americas-hell-paved-with-rights/.

  • rockyvnvmc

    Some called Jesus and his followers 'Wine bibbers and gluttons... '
    Take from it, what you will...

    • 1PierreMontagne1

      God made wine for man. Even more; that God made it with alcohol is inescapable. Natural fermentation is what allows wine to be preserved - the alcohol is a necessity to keep it from going bad. The wine Jesus made at the wedding in Canaan tasted like more expensive aged wine - more alcohol.

      Psalm 104 "GOD made wine that maketh glad the heart of man"

      The Mars Hill Directors reject Phil Robertson because the Robertson's own a Winery. By default those same self Righteous would condemn both God and Jesus (if they could) for having made wine.
      If Christs second coming were not with power - the self righteous would crucify Jesus all over again if they could, and most likely it would be over...creating wine.

      So many of today's "Jezebel Churches" who tolerate the abominable spirit of Jezebel proudly claim "We do not drink" while practicing every other vice. Rev 2:19-25

      It behooves the honest believer to beware of any "Form of Godliness" whose belief is centered on the hatred of what God made - wine/alcohol. They decide that drinking wine is the worst of all sins - though nowhere in scripture is it sin.

      Most of their other baggage is described in 2nd Tim 3.

      • charlie

        amen

  • Sharon

    Perhaps they should have agreed to take the photos and bake the cake and just do a really lousy job. Why would anyone want someone to do either of these things if the people doing them would be uncomfortable, or offended. Sound like they were just looking for lawsuits purposefully.

  • Stepcof

    In Deuteronomy 14:22-26, Moses instructs Gods people in the paying of tithes. He says to bring the tithe to the place where god chooses (place of worship) buy with it what ever you want (lusteth after), including WINE AND STRONG DRINK. and consume it there at the place. SO... Sounds to me like God is a God of celebration not a God who is just looking for a reason to zap you. Now I'm not condoning the spending of your tithe money on booze (like Moses did); or bringing your booze to church to consume it there ( like Moses did), but it sure makes you think a little bit before you condem others just because you don't do something that they do.

    • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

      What did Jesus and the disciples say about tithes in the New Testament?

      • Stepcof

        Jesus said " render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's". In other words; pay your taxes and your tithes.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          This verse has to do more with, "is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar?" What if "Caesar" is Hitler, a communist government or Obummer?

          Everything belongs to God.

          What did He say about tithes in the New Testament?

          How much of your income should be tithed and/or should you tithe as suggested by Jesus in the New Testament?

          Thank you: http://www.gci.org/law/tithing

  • Coffee49

    I am a wine maker,believe in god and have anti-govt values go Willy, is there a good merlot on the menu

  • USGOP

    There is nothing wrong with wine..this is ridiculous. The Lord himself MADE (turned water into wine) at the wedding at Cana. He said not to be a drunkard (know your limit and stop there) He didn't say not to drink it at all. Christians need to stop getting caught up in legalism and start walking in grace. GO WILLIE!!

    • Clint

      In the time that God gives me each day I try to use it wisely. Keeping me lined up with His Word is pretty much a full time job, and that affords me precious little time to be critical of others. I personally wish all Christians had my problem. Get my drift. ;<)

      • USGOP

        That will not happen in this age..people want to pick the splinter out of your eye and do nothing about the beam in their own.

  • charlie

    the people that profess chistianity and try to make their own rules instead of those in scripture are just that-christians. Real Christians follow scripture not man made rules. Wine is the most popular and most widely available drink in the bible. only the nazarites and priests on duty were forbidden to drink wine. those that say otherwise are being self righteous

  • Ann Rand

    Go Willie and Duck Dynasty !!! Looks to me like God has made his face to shine upon you and your family !! Enjoy !

  • Jude O'Connor

    Christianity has more off-shoots than an oak tree has roots, there are dozens of churches and each one is a little different, find the one you like and be happy. Oooooh! not's so contends some that claim their church is the only answer. It's been that way for centuries. I like the Duck Dynasty and I'm not bothered by the way they do their program.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    Shh, don't tell anybody, but I think Jesus drank wine.

    • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

      Don't tell anybody, but He could choose between fermented and non fermented wine....grape juice.

  • Shermer

    To compare this situation to the photographer or the baker, we need to assign Mr Robertson the role of the business and the ministry the role of the customer buying his service. In this case it was a private transaction, and the customer decided not to buy the product being offered by Mr Robertson.

    In both of the other situations, we have a business trading in the public marketplace, and thus subject to anti-discrimination laws, refusing to provide their product, and doing so in a discriminatory manner. Their position bears a greater resemblance to a whites-only diner than it does Mr Robertson's speaking engagement.

    • seektruth

      While the other two businesses are in the "public marketplace" they are PRIVATE enterprises and each transaction is a private contract between two separate parties. They should and based on the Constitution have the right to freely exercise who they conduct business with. It happens everyday with thousands upon thousands of businesses.

      • Shermer

        Private business or not, when you deal with the public, you must comply with the laws prohibiting discrimination. Please tell me if you think it would be acceptable for a restaurant to put up a "No Blacks Allowed" sign on their door.

        • seektruth

          Different issue, completely. The laws of discrimination do not supercede the 1st Amendment. Given that doing business is a free choice and is an issue of commerce AND an issue of religious liberty. you are saying that the discrimination law MUST discriminate against those that are choosing to not do business as they choose. In this case the law itself is becoming the bully and is DISCRIMINATORY above their right to religious freedom. Skin color is an entirely different issue.
          That restaurant can put up a sign that says "no, shirt, no shoes, no service." that's discriminatory. they can throw out someone who is unruly or is filthy and smelly. That's discriminatory. They can now kick out someone for smoking. that's discriminatory. I could go on and on.
          In the above cases, the bakery and photograghers are businesses involved in EXPRESSION and they are being bullied into expressing against their religious views.that'd be like forcing you to say "Under God" in the pledge of allegience. The state is FORCING the expression.

        • Shermer

          There are plenty of people who would discriminate against homosexuals on other than religious grounds, just as they would against black people. Should there be a law to stop them doing that?

        • seektruth

          Straw man. It depends on the situation. the above cases are both about free speech and religious freedom. It those two cases the state is FORCING their speech and religious expression which is discriminatory against them.

        • Flybob

          The government has NO authority to tell ANY business person OR private individual who they can or have to serve. If a person does not like blacks they have the RIGHT not to serve them. ANY other solution is TYRANNY PERIOD! The same applies if a black person has a business and does not like Hispanics or whites. By the way, blacks are MANY times more prejudicial than whites and THEY have SPECIAL rights. The government does NOT belong in it and there is NO valid law regarding that subject. SHOW me where the US Constitution says otherwise. READ THE US CONSTITUTION!!! It's ALL right there! We have the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHO WE WANT TO SERVE AND NOT TO!!!

        • Shermer

          I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're a white heterosexual male. Am I right Bob?

        • Flybob

          Well you'd be safe on that limb but that has no bearing on what I say. I have many black, Hispanic and asian friends and I respect each of them for what they earned in my opinion of them. Do you think it would be appropriate for the government to say you may only serve muslims? That is in effect what they're doing! If an Asian doesn't want ducks in their businesses they have a right as free people to keep others from entering their establishments. If I own a home and want to rent only to older retired people because they keep a nice house and pay their bills then that's MY business NOT the governments. WHERE did the government get the right to DICTATE to us WHAT we can and cannot do? What if catholics prefer to do business with only catholics? That should be PROHIBITED by the GOVERNMENT? How could ANYONE call that freedom??? Don't get me wrong in any way, I am NOT a prejudiced person but I DO believe in the strict meaning of the US Constitution and we're so far from it I'm sick. Our government is FAR more oppressive than the king that caused our revolutionary war. We're WAY worse off now than we were then freedom wise.

        • Shermer

          Being who you are, it is unlikely that you will ever need protection under the discrimination laws, but it is the government's job to be there when you do.

        • Flybob

          You could not be more wrong. It is the governments job to protect us from invasion to keep us free. Part of freedom is deciding as individuals to make our own decisions INCLUDING who we associate with or do business with. THAT is freedom, NOT living under the tyranny of those who would TELL us what to do or who to do it with. You're WAY off your rocker.

        • Shermer

          I think the people of North Korea and Syria might have something to say about your definition of tyranny.
          I don't recall any calls of TYRANNY!!! when white business owners were told they had to serve black people.

        • Flybob

          WTF are you talking about? This is America not n korea or Syria!! WE have a Constitution and it protects our INDIVIDUAL rights. What about what happens on mars? You left THAT one out. No damn wonder our country is jacked up. And you may not be old enough to remember but there was a TON of dissention when the enacted anti discrimination laws. THEY'RE UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! The government does NOT have the authority to tell us who we HAVE to serve, hire, rent to, or that we CANNOT have bigoted thoughts. Or do you think we should all be lined up and shot for thinking differently than you? Damn libtards

    • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

      In a number of Christian churches (mine included), you can't be an Elder if you drink alcohol and/or smoke. Wonder why?

      It's all about image and Christian representation...."Be not of this world..."

      Without any malcontent, Duck Dynasty is endorsing an activity. "If it's good for Jesus, it's good for me." That mentality and misinterpretation of the Bible has been the justification for drinking by Christians. I have not run across too many Christians who don't drink....a little or a lot. Of course I also can't find many Christians who have not been through at least one or more divorces.

      Face it. Secular or Christian people like to drink and it tells our children, it's OK. Alcohol abuse is virtually non-existent among Christian college students.

      Now that marijuana is legal, how many Christians will try to justify smoking it as harmless entertainment.....in moderation of course.

      Both are addictive drugs and I can't come up with the top ten reasons to use them; although I can come up with 100 reasons not too.

      • Shermer

        That's all very interesting, but the wine was just a leadin to the issue of businesses having the right to discriminate.

        • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

          I know.

        • Shermer

          So do you have an opinion on that?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

          For sure.

          "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

          "No Shoes. No Service."

        • Shermer

          "No Blacks"?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

          Blacks, whites, green, yellow.

          "We" discriminate equally.

        • Shermer

          Can you refuse to serve a black person for no other reason than the colour of their skin?

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

          "We" discriminate equally.

        • Shermer

          I'll take that as a hypocritical no.

  • teaman

    .....and many so called Christians who wrongly claim that the Bible is against drinking, will visit a Star Bucks regularly. A business devoted to the promotion of homosexuality.....you hear me! The Bible does NOT condemn drinking but does condemn being DRUNK! I don't drink at all period! But if I did, I would and could have a glass of wine with a meal....Why? Because MY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST DID!!!! WHOM ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PATTERN OUR LIFES AFTER?
    Face up to the truth folks....just about every so called Christian out there comes to the Bible with their own personal agenda hoping to find something that will support their sin/believe. Why in the world do you think we have so many different churches. Allow me, a 70 year old fart, clue you in on something else! God could really care less what we think of his word or how we interpret it. He says, "OBEY" my word 'AS IT IS'.....PERIOD!!!

  • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

    Leviticus 10:9
    "You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come,

    Luke 1:15
    For he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

    Proverbs 23:31
    Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

      John the Baptist did not drink wine or any form of alcohol. Jesus did not preach against wine, but that does not necessary make it OK for Christians to drink it. Wine of the day was usually diluted with water.

      Alcohol is not a necessity of life. Because of the enormous destruction caused by alcohol abuse, many people have decided it's better to abstain and not be a stumbling block for those who have difficulty with drinking. One should never use alcohol in the presence of a recovering alcoholic...seems reasonable.

      Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

      Isaiah 5:11- Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may
      follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame
      them!

      Romans 14:21- [It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing]
      whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

      1 Timothy 3:8 - Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

      "A reason leading us to reject the assumption that "the good wine" produced by Christ was high in alcoholic content is the negative reflection such an assumption casts upon the wisdom of the Son of God. If, in addition to the considerable quantity of alleged alcoholic wine already consumed, Christ miraculously produced between 120 and 160 gallons of intoxicating wine for the use of men, women and children gathered together at the wedding feast, then He must be held morally responsible for prolonging and increasing their intoxication. His miracle would only serve to sanction the excessive drinking of alcoholic beverages. If this conclusion is true, it destroys the sinlessness of Christ’s nature and teachings."

      Joseph P. Free rightly observes that the large amount of wine miraculously produced by Christ toward the end of a wedding feast proves either: "1. Excessive [alcoholic] drinking was allowable, or 2. The oinos in this case was grape juice. In the light of the whole Old Testament condemnation of wine, it certainly would appear that the beverage was grape juice."....http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/4.html

      It's ironic that Duck Commander has gone into the wine business considering both Phil and Si Robertson have struggled with alcohol in the past.

  • Kathryn

    The ministry has every right to cancel the engagement just like speakers have every right to refuse an engagement. The ministry in question has a youth focus and alcohol abuse in youth is a problem. They didn't want to appear hypocritical by inviting someone who sells alcohol. I don't have a problem with people drinking alcohol. I have been known to have a drink myself, but I don't want my teenagers to do it.

  • Evan White

    Easy. All these places that no suport homsexuality should not give a damn about the faggots and devlesbians legal demands. The owners of targeted " Christian " businesses, if their constitutional rights are not respected, they can find a way to counter sue the Faggot couple by playing the racist card. In other words , those who are sued by faggots should counter sue the faggots claiming that the faggots practiced " discimination " and that the faggot couple was " racists " then if they could call the faggots racists the might win the lawsuit. And get $ from the faggots from the faggot planned lawsuit to get the hell out of the faggot state they live in.