New Evidence in Obama Birth Certificate Investigation

Now that the biggest “lie of the year” is Obama's “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” it may be time to revisit the birth certificate claim and the secrecy surrounding his college and law school days. Michelle may join in after she had to sit through him playing footsy with a selfie with Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg.

What else has he lied about that the media have covered up or failed to investigate?
If Obama could tell such a whopper of a lie dozens of times of what he knew was a lie, there's a good chance that he has lied about the constitutionality of his presidential qualifications based on where he was born.

Since the media were in the tank for Obama, it did not matter how much actual evidence about his birth certificate was laid on the table, they were not going to report on it. They’re still covering for him.

There’s a new investigation brewing. Here’s the latest from WND:

“The lead investigator in Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obama’s birth certificate says the case has taken a startling turn, and sheriff’s investigators now are assisting the Cold Case volunteers.

“‘When this information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering,’ Mike Zullo told WND. ‘This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.’

“Zullo explained that because it’s an active investigation that could produce criminal charges, he’s unable to reveal details at the moment.

“But the allegations, he said, which go far beyond a fraudulent birth certificate, could be public as early as March.

“The issue arose once again because of the death Wednesday in Hawaii of state Health Department chief Loretta Fuddy in a plane crash. She was the official who waived state prohibitions and provided to the White House a copy of a document that Obama presented to the public as his birth certificate.

“It’s the document that Arpaio’s investigators have concluded is fraudulent.”

Does Fuddy’s death have anything to do with the investigation? “Amid conspiracy theories circulating the Internet, Zullo told WND Friday that Fuddy’s death – she was the only fatality among nine people aboard a small airplane that crashed off the coast of Molokai – appears to be a tragic accident, not foul play.”
I know what you’re thinking. You wouldn’t put it past some people to kill nine people to get one.

Since the investigation does not depend on any information from Fuddy, her untimely death is just that.

More people might pay attention to this story since it revolves around lying and covering up the truth. Now that the cat is out of the bag that Obama can lie with impunity and get caught and the story has broken through the media gate keepers, the story may get some traction.

We’ll keep you posted on any new developments.

Comments

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  • ICOYAR

    Remember how Andrew Breitbart died the day when he was going to show the exact same evidence to the press from his website?

    Sadly, I think these men would not live much longer, as I think Breitbart's death may have been a coverup or something. "Heart attack" my ass.

    • DontTreadOnMe11

      I'm surprised Sheriff Joe hasn't had an "accident" yet.

      • ellen

        But he hasn't and neither have the editors at WND or Orly Taitz.

        • LOYAL TEXAN

          Or Donald the Hair. Dynamic trio

        • patriot2

          don't you have something else to do,like fk off & die??

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          ObongoCare will take care of that without our help.

      • tionico

        no, but he does seem to have had a couple of close scrapes of unusual circumstances....

    • ellen

      Breitbart hated birthers and laughed at them, and he died of natural causes. He had a heart attack caused by a choronary blockage. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/a-conservative-editor-and-author-andrew-breitbart-who-died-suddenly-last-month-died-of-heart-failure-and-hardening-of-arterie.html

      • ICOYAR

        Doubtful, especially since he claimed to have evidence based on Obama's birth certificate himself.

        Also, why did Obama claim that he was born in Kenya, up until 2007?

        • gonzo731

          [Citation needed]

        • jong

          His books he published I do believe.

        • gonzo731

          [Citation needed]

        • jong

          Asked and answered.

        • gonzo731

          Um, no. You don't know what his books say because you haven't read them. Plus, a citation, not "oh, Obama's bad, so he wasn't born in America" spiel. Facts, not BS.

        • jong

          First of all I have read his books. And guess what they have him being from Kenya. These notes are not done by the editor or publisher but, the writer. Until you publish silly child keep your yap shut.

        • gonzo731

          Then you shouldn't have a problem giving me a page number then, should you?

          Also, here's the thing: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have no evidence. You have a pamphlet that wasn't even written by him, and reading a pamphlet is not the same as reading a book.

          So here's a few links for your perusal:

          http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

          http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/born-kenya-obamas-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991/story?id=16372566

          You see, the person who wrote the pamphlet realized she made a mistake. Obama never said he was born in Kenya.

          I don't expect you to change your views. You are to invested in being on the wrong side of history.

      • dan from ohio

        wonder why the medical examiner who did his autopsy died from poisoning?

      • Pam Dunn

        Another liberal liar shows up to spew the left winger party line of stupidity.

        • gonzo731

          You're the one who is gobbling up this idiocy. Who really towing the party line of stupidity?

        • jong

          Hum. When a new Attorney General does come in I will be very interested in his findings. And after that a trial court.

        • gonzo731

          Just like Obama could have done about Bush and all of those torture allegations. Except it didn't happen...

          And the GOP will not be taking the White House come 2016, not with the Tea Party at least.

        • jong

          Actually according to all the polls yes they will. Secondly No CIA Officer any where at any time has ever been brought before a court or put in jail for any time. And yes the White House will turn in 2016 then we get to go out and hunt.

      • jong

        Nope. He did not die of that. Other wise why did it take so long to get that very simple fact out?? And Breitbart hated morons which means he would have throttled you.

    • LOYAL TEXAN

      It was poison darts. EVEYONE l ows that.

      • Pam Dunn

        Only MORON like you in the retarded liberal left wing.
        Nice try "texan" from Brooklyn.

    • fatman45

      Odd how Brietbart's death was being reported as "natural causes" within a couple of hours of his death. And how the coroner who eventually did the autopsy also died mysteriously shortly afterwards.
      Nothin' to see here, folks. Move along!

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

    So what?

    By the time the investigation is concluded and charges brought, he'll be out of office living in Hawaii and smoking dope.

    Second, let's get rid of Obama and replace him with Joe Biden?

    Makes perfect sense.

    • ICOYAR

      At least Biden will be like Gerald Ford.

      A harmless doofus who nobody remembers, or cares about, or did anything, due to incompetence.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

        HA. For sure, and his term would be very short if Obummer is impeached. Not much chance of him ever getting elected president.

      • fiftysevenchevy

        And IGNORANCE!!!

      • patriot2

        I thought that was describing jimmy carter,another in the line of democrats I wished we had never heard of.

    • CountryGirl

      I would think since Biden was part of the deceit and that Obama is ineligible....that Biden should be ineligible too. I know it wouldn't work that way. But seems he should be kicked out too!

      • Larry Christopher

        If this were to rid us of Barry Soetoro...that would be great! Joe has serious problems of his own...like putting a bulls eye on the backs of Seal Team 6. He should be held accountable in their murders.

    • AZWarrior

      All legislation signed into law by him would be NULL & VOID.

      • jong

        And so would two witches on the Supreme Court.;

        • AZWarrior

          That is correct. Thank you for adding that.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

        Like his brain.

        • AZWarrior

          You are assuming a lot. Brain? Evidence, please.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

          Sorry. None available.

          Base it on faith.

    • fiftysevenchevy

      Smokin' dope & attending bath house group meetings! (if you know what I mean?)

  • DontTreadOnMe11

    That was not the Norwegian PM, it was the Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

    • Val

      Sure looks like her to us.!

      • DontTreadOnMe11

        I'm not really sure how to take your post whether or not you were agreeing with me. A photo of Solberg below. I sure wouldn't play footsies with her, but obama? who knows. This is not the same person at the Mandelabration.

      • DontTreadOnMe11

        Sorry I forgot to add the pic before I posted.

        • Val

          I looked her up, and who I saw looked just like the selfie woman

        • DontTreadOnMe11

          This is the selfie woman, the DANISH PM (Thorning-Schmidt), not the NORWEGIAN PM. Sorry you couldn't tell the difference. Apparently, Gary Demar couldn't either.

    • patriot2

      she's just another quisling.

  • LOYAL TEXAN

    Can't wait. Sheriff Joe and his infamous Cold case dudes are awesome. Is that old lady they found dead now. Probably. Darts are so easy. Not sure why they had to bother with a plane accident t for Fuddy. Maybe Sheriff Joe can help the hapless Darryl in his doomed investigations. Really, really evidence coming. Where's Orly.

    • Truth goes 100 MPH

      TROLL ALERT! Folks: Tex is from Virginia and sarcasm is his favorite tool. He changed names recently He was Texan Texan DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

      • Pam Dunn

        "loyal" texan/texan texan is a low life pile of dog feces from Central Park and was NEVER in TEXAS.

    • jong

      Sorry shill. No Texan ever puts "Loyal" in front of his name. Its a given. You are most probably from a very liberal state

  • Joanne Christie

    I never believed this SOB in The Peoples WH was born in this Country. With all the Lies & Cover-ups it is time for his true identity to be revealed. This is an atrocity to our Country for this fraud to be elected President. I am hoping the sheeple who voted for him finally got the message. It is also time for all the Rino Progressives to be voted out & replaced w/ grass-root Conservatives.

    • fiftysevenchevy

      Hey Joanne, you are absolutely right on! I say whatever he says, just believe the opposite to be true! I wouldn't trust this fraud as far as I could throw him, & ya can't throw scum & crud too far. It would fall before it would reach its destiny! That's what's gonna happen to him, mark my word! Unfortunately Most of the sheeple who voted for this impostor will NEVER get the message! They think he is their Savior. They will Reap what they sowed!!!!!!

      • Joanne Christie

        You are absolutely correct fifty. The Sheeple want to continue to live off the gov't. so they will never admit their error. But as a matter of fact they are no better off, in fact worse off then the day they voted for him. I still have hope as many Americans are finally waking up. With His ratings now in the 37% it is a realization he is a failure for those who wanted change.

  • stevor

    Public in March? Is this a coincidence that Lindsay Williams's newest prediction (which I don't trust but even a dead clock is right twice a day) is that the economy will bust in March, too?

    • 1PierreMontagne1

      "Beware the Ides of March" - William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
      Perhaps March is touted to bring home the significance of an inescapable event?
      Caesar sought absolute power and desired to be another Emperor "God King" desiring the "worship" of his subjects.
      Other than Hi-tech and Geography what difference is there between Ancient Rome and Modern Washington DC?
      Are the "fatal daggers" those items that Obama has sought to suppress via court order?
      Will he be impaled by the Media he thought he owned?

  • Bay0Wulf

    I really do hope that Obama gets what is coming to him due to the FRAUD perpetrated on the US Citizenry and it is done in such a manner as to enable us to legally roll back much of the damage he has done and is doing.

    Further ... consider this ... the reports are that Fuddy "never made it out of the plane" BUT then there is THIS (a 1st person, eyewitness account involving actual physical contact):

    ABC News reported several hours later the following account:

    “In the final moments of her life, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy after a small plane taking them back to Honolulu crashed in the ocean off the island of
    Molokai.

    “In the water, Fuddy held hands with deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.”

    “He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the priest said. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”

    EVEN THOUGH "Initial Reports" Indicate SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT;

    "Initial news reports also stated that Ms. Fuddy failed to escape the passenger compartment of the plane, which would support the first and perhaps the most credible eyewitness account, as it came from a trained pilot circling the crash site. An initial statement by the Maui Fire Department also supports the report that Ms. Fuddy never made it out of the plane."

  • George Connectal

    I keep praying they throw this fraud out and nullify everything he has signed. He is a fraud, his election was a fraud, his skank racist Wife is also a fraud, her license to practice law was revoked, gee I wonder why.

    • http://FreedomFray.com/ FreedomFray

      Who be "they"?

  • Jake Green

    So basically nothing new to report. Well I wish we at least had a hint as to what the "universe-shattering" information is, but alas we have to wait. Sadly the longer we wait the deeper Obama's destruction of America gets. If in the end Obama (or what ever his real name is) is exposed, charged, tried and convicted for his crimes, not to mention invalidating every executive order or law he ever signed, then I guess it will have been worth the wait.

  • CaptTurbo

    No doubt in me that he's a lying camel turd.

    • Michael Ritter

      Your comment only illustrates your limited intellectual vocabulary. It's Sheriff Joke that should be investigated even more than he's had been for peddling his bogus claims! He's sure produced nothing so far

      • CaptTurbo

        You got me there fart breath. You should go on tour! A talking rectum such as yourself would draw big crowds.

      • rockyvnvmc

        Joe Arpaio spent 30 years as a Federal Officer, before he ever ran for the Office of Sheriff. He's NOT just some 'joke', but a very experienced Law Officer. All of the people working for him are legitimately qualified, as well.
        Have you ever bothered even reading or viewing (it's all available in video format on the web) the plethora of evidence that they've accumulated against this Usurper ?

      • Karll

        I disagree, Mr Ritter.

        Recent scientific evidence has determined that emperor zero is, in fact, an ambulatory, verbalizing, artfully deceptive specimen of solid matter discharged from the alimentary canal of Camilae dromedarius.

        Translated: He's a walking, talking, lying camel turd.

        • jong

          Always nice to have a scientific explanation.

  • tionico

    that phoney certificate means nothing..... so what if he WAS born in Hawaii? His pappy was a kenyan, thus a British Subject, this NOT an American citizen. Natural Born Citizen has always been someone born in a country of TWO parents who are both citizens of THAT country. Thus, his mama was a yank, his pappy a brit... and he, even if he IS an American Citizen (very doubtful) he is not a nATURAL BORN citizen, thus not eligible. And he KNOWS this, the whole "birth certificate" thing is a red herring to distract us from the REAL issue.. which is incontrovertible. HOW LONG will we be tricked? Someone needs to go for the jugular, bring up that his pappy was kenyan, making his kinyun kid NOT natural born yank. Read the discussions surrounding the setting of the qualifications for president back in 1789 or so, read English law of the time, read Minor vs Happersett, a SCOTUS case of about 1885 or so which defined Natural Born Citizen as a side issue in that case. Read Webster's 1828 dictionary, Blackstone, ALL set those requirements, ones His Preeminence does not meet, and never can. And NO piece of paper can change that..... unless its a DNA test to prove someone else who is a yank is thekinyun's real pappy.. like Frank Marshall Davis, whom some say is a likely possibility.

    • ellen

      The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law (not from Vattel), and it refers to the place of birth, and it includes EVERY child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats (and Obama was born on US Soil, in Hawaii). And the Minor v. Happersett ruling does not say what you think. It does NOT say that two citizen parents (or even one) are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen. (If I said: "It was never doubted that if you wore both suspenders and belt you would hold your pants up, that does not mean that you have to wear both suspenders and a belt in order to hold your pants up.)

      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are
      citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President
      ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Every
      child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen
      except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham
      (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

      And there have now been EIGHT state court rulings on Obama alone, and one federal court ruling on Obama, and one more state court ruling on McCain. All ten of
      them said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the US
      Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, and that the Wong Kim Ark case
      said that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law (as Meese
      also said), and that it referred to the place of birth (as Meese, Hatch
      and Graham all say), and that every child born in the USA except for
      the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      • Goober

        Pres. Barack Hussein Obama was born at Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya. His mother was at the beach frollicking in the ocean - with Barack's grandmother - she started having contractions and was taken to Coast
        Province. The grandmother even said she witnessed the birth; however, she was soon cordoned off from reporters and further statements. Coast Province Gen. Hosp has built a new wing in honor of his birth there. Soon after his birth, the new mother and baby left for Hawaii.
        If you would do a little research you would find out the truth, but you don't want to hear the truth about your hero do you? In fact you can see a real birth certificate on line from the hospital in Kenya

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          Thanks Brother. Seems there are quite a few folks who actually read those articles when they first were printed. Barry and company have silenced some but not all. It will not make one bit of difference to the Obongo crowd.

        • jong

          Makes sense. The British kept very very good records and they are "clean" unlike the frauds given us by ole jug ears and his wookie.

      • rockyvnvmc

        English Common Law was referring to a Natural Born 'Subject', NOT 'Citizen'. In case you're not aware, there IS a difference !

      • rockyvnvmc

        As for all of the times that the court system has chose to Not allow said proceedings to go forward into the discovery phase, which would allow the plethora of evidence to be exposed, None of these case were ever 'Heard' but were ruled, for one reason or another to not be in courts of the 'proper standing'. Or just plain thrown out , for one legality or another.
        The Alabama State Supreme Court is Currently hearing the Appeal of one such case, that is Now in a 'Court with the Proper standing'. It will be quite interesting to see how this one ends.

    • Michael Ritter

      Your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity. The claim you're making is pure BS. We've had many presidents where one parent was not a citizen. But you keep making your claim.. because like so much here, it belongs in the trash.. Maybe you should study immigration law.. Obama clearly meets the 3 criteria to be president.

      • ansonheath

        Just curious - "We've had many presidents where one parent was not a citizen."
        Who?

      • rockyvnvmc

        There was only One previous President who was a Duel citizen and it was never discovered until after his death. He burned all of the evidence, that he could lay hands upon, in order to deceive Americans, thus he Knew that he was Ineligible, before he ever Ran for the Office !

      • jong

        Nope. The only Presidents that could have had only one would have been the original ones. Which makes it quite clear you have not read the Constitution nor any other papers that determined the frame of mind of the Founding Fathers.

    • rockyvnvmc

      The man who coined the term 'Natural Born Citizen'; Emmerich d' Vatel, wrote, in 'The Laws of Nations' that a 'Natural Born Citizen' was 'a citizen child, born in the country, of two citizen parents.' He also wrote that the child 's circumstances follow those of his father. Which is why we needed the 14th Amendment, in order to make the freed negro slaves US Citizens, even though they were, mostly American born. (No additional slaves were allowed to be imported after about 1830 something).
      Lest anyone think that Vatel's work was some little known text, our Framers poured over the copy(s) that Benjamin Franklin brought to the Constitutional Convention. (one was deposited in the adjacent Library). Our 1st Chief Justice, Joseph Story, wrote to George Washington who was the Chairman of said convention, requesting that some effort be made to ensure that none, but a 'Natural Born Citizen' or a person alive at the time of this country's founding, be allowed to attain or the position (Commander-in-Chief) to delve onto any but said 'NBC'.
      The work was studies in colleges all across American for at Least a century afterwards.

      • jong

        Thank you very much. I have studied Vatel and he is the definitive of the subject. And our Founding Fathers thought the same. Adams I do believe was the one specifically to bring it up because of its importance.and that is just one of the concerns.

    • rockyvnvmc

      IF the card carrying Communist Frank Marshal Davis WAS Barry's father, he would Still have lost his citizenship, upon being 'acknowledged' or adopted by Lolo Soetoro.
      Another reason that the White House birth certificates are fraudulent, is because they don't address his adoption. As an adopted person, myself, I know that once you've been adopted, they create a totally New birth certificate with the names of your New parents on it. Just the fact that he showed one with BHO Sr. on it goes to show that it's not the proper one.

  • MktLdr

    Are you sure Obama's Footsy Partner wasn't Helle Thorning-Schmidt, Prime Minister of Denmark?

    • rockyvnvmc

      He must be Bi-sexual, instead of just being a 'bone smoker'....

  • Proudamerican

    He is a phony. He has always been a phony and the dem party (the party of ME) is 100% complicit in this scam against the USA. God Bless Sheriff Joe!

  • carsrus

    Murder....she wrote, maybe it should be MURDER................he commissioned !

    • rockyvnvmc

      There's a suspiciously large number of dead folks, that surround Barry's past.. Quite similar to the plethora of dead folks that surrounded the Clinton Presidency... Hmmmm.....

  • davnkatzr

    This article is what's called a "teaser" . It hints a some scandal without providing any substance. Don't we have enough of that kind of crap from obozo and the libturds without conservatives jumping on that wagon?

  • Mark Tallman

    Barack HUSSEIN Obama may well be a citizen, but the birth certificate he released is a forgery. It lists his Father's race as "African." in 1961, his Father's race would have been listed as "Negro", or "Colored" in southern states. "African' is a 1990's PC term. I defy you to find another birth certificate from 1961 with a parent of color and see anything other than "Negro" or "Colored."

    • Goober

      You're correct Mark, but that's only one of the things wrong with the phony birth certificate. What I don't understand is why is NO-one being held accountable for this? The Democrats in the House and the Senate are the ones that pulled the wool over the eyes of the sleeping sheep, yet nobody else seems to see this. How many time do you have to be slapped in the face before you stand up and say NO_MORE!

      • rockyvnvmc

        My Congressman addressed this, when he replied to me, regarding the reason for not attempting to Impeach Barry Soetoro/Soebarkah/Obama/Bounel (or Whatever his Real Name Is). He came right out and said that unless and until the Senate returns to Republican majority, it would be a waste of time and effort.
        Of course, I replied to him that Barry 'What's his name' need not be 'Impeached' but could be removed through other legal means after he's proven to Not be Eligible.

    • cwcoty

      Mark, the point you were attempting to make is errant.

      "The space for "Race of Father" is filled in with the word "African," which at the time was a descriptor that blacks who were actually native-born Africans (like Barack Obama's father was) were more likely to use for themselves than "negro" (the latter being synonymous with "slave" in Euro-colonial countries such as Kenya).Read the rest here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp#3LxILyh1U52BjrrB.99

      • Mark Tallman

        Sorry. The term Negro was not his call. This was simply the LEGAL term required by law for such official documentation. It also lists his place of birth in Kenya.

      • Mark Tallman

        Snopes is incorrect. It was not the call of his Father. Negro was the legal term for people of color on official government documentation such as Barack HUSSEIN Obama's birth certificate. African is simply a PC term that first appeared in the 1990's.

        • cwcoty

          Mark, Negro was the term for American born "negros", not for foreign born men of African origin. Besides, how do you know what was entered on that form back in 1961? How many African born men fathered children in that Hawaiian hospital at that time? The burden of proof is on you to show that all black men from Africa (other than Obama's father) penned "Negro" (and not "African" on their certificates. The fact that "African" is on that form is a non issue.

          What Snopes is incorrect on is the insistence that the layering effect was supposedly caused by a computer scanner. The man they quote has denied saying the document is authentic.

        • Mark Tallman

          Actually, I am a student of the history of legal documentation and although Barack HUSSEIN Obama's Father may have referred to himself as "African", official documents in the United States did not leave such nuances of syntax to the individual, thus still requiring his race to be listed as "Negro", or "Colored" in southern states; also a legal documentation requirement. The purpose was for consistency in official legal documents and correspondence. Demographics, which in the early 1960's was in its infancy, required such consistency and a parent of color, whether of African descent or African origination, had to be classified under the common terms of "Negro, or "Colored" in southern states. This was replaced in the late 1960's with the common term "Black", which remained in-place until the term "African" followed VERY quickly with "African-American" in the early 1990's.

        • cwcoty

          Mark, your point is well taken, but not only is Hawaii not a southern state, it was only admitted to the union 2 years prior to Obama's birth. If you prefer to assume that a Hawaiian hospital would have used the same standards as Alabama or Mississippi, that's clearly your prerogative, but unless you can prove that other no African man other than Barrack Obama's father, used the term "African" on their certificate, I don't think you have a case.

        • Mark Tallman

          I only mentioned southern states as an alternative point of reference to northern states official terminology in 1961. I was allowed to do a search of all 1961 birth certificates in Hawaii for 1961. I was not allowed to view the actual documents due to state law. I was able to conduct a complete field search to ascertain a count for the purported goal of a count for demographics. Guess what. There was not a single occurrence of any parent with a race designation of "African." Hmmmmm... Guess what that means?

        • cwcoty

          Well, Mark, I was going to give you the last word, but I feel compelled to respond. I realized you were merely using the term "southern states" to point out terminology. I was trying to make the point that things may not have been the same in terms of uniformity in Hawaii, since the ink was barely dry on their acceptance to the U.S.

          I'm very impressed with the work you've done. I've seen so much rubbish passed around on the internet as "fact", so I assumed this was just another example. Some of the bogus emails center the discussion around the birth cert entry "African American" and use a similar argument. However, the argument you make sounds as though it has merit. There are a plethora of issues that cause me great concern about the legitimacy of Obama's election, so I'm trying ferret out those things which cause the "birthers" to lose credibility. Thanks for the follow-up. Very interesting indeed.

  • disqus_oajLzmvtVa

    When will our supposedly elected congressmen/women take action you know like McCain, McConnell, etc. We have a similar problem here in Idaho. They don't know whether to be a Demo-Rat or a Republic-RAT as if it made a differemce. Government is Evil 'ALWAYS"

    • Goober

      Money corrupts and there's way to much behind closed doors money going into pockets of corrupt political officials! The government isn't EVIL its the Evil politicians who create EVIL Government. Remove the crooks and the Evil will also be removed.

      • rockyvnvmc

        All government is 'evil', but Some government is a necessary 'evil', to ensure citizen's rights. On the continuum of Far Right to Far Left, Anarchy would be Far' Right' whereas Totalitarianism would constitute Far 'Left'.
        This we should strive to have the Least amount of government necessary, to achieve our Liberties and ensure them, against corruption.

  • Phil Bronner

    It matters not WHERE he was born....as much as the fact that BOTH his PARENTS were NOT U.S. citizens,...meaning, he could have been born in the geographic center of the United States...but since his father never WAS a US Citizen...osama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by the Constitution!.....Since he claims to be a Constitutional "Scholar" he would know that...this is one more example of him crapping on the Constitution.....

    • Mike Tanco

      You can come up with all of the evidence you want but----- !!! The Congress would have to have the balls to file impeachment charges and then have enough votes to get him out. That won't happen. Too many crooks in Congress.

      • rockyvnvmc

        You can't Impeach an Ineligible' pResident'. There are far Easier ways to get rid of one. You're Right about Congress, though. They would have to appoint a Special Prosecutor, ala 'Watergate' to investigate the ever growing plethora of evidence, that shows that Barry 'What's his Name' is in Office illegitimately.

    • ellen

      The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law (not Vattel) and it simply requires birth on US soil, and everyone born on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen at birth except for the children of foreign diplomats. That is why not a single member of the US Congress voted not to confirm Obama's election in either the 2008 or 2012 elections. That is why not a single member of the US Electoral College changed his or her vote to vote against Obama either in 2008 or 2012. Not one. Obama received 356 electoral votes in the general election, and 356 electors voted for him. He received 332 electoral votes in the next presidential election, and 332 electors voted for him.

      "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by
      birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      And there have now been eight state court rulings on Obama alone, and one federal court
      ruling on Obama, and one more state court ruling on McCain. All ten of
      them said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the US
      Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, and that the Wong Kim Ark case
      said that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

      • Mikael Andrews

        SCOTUS said the ACA was "Constitutional" as well which anyone who can read and understand it knows is a damned lie! Saying so does NOT necessarily make it so!

      • jong

        In this you can not ignore D'Vatel. To do so invalidates any thing you have to say shill.

  • Mark Tallman

    Another point. In 1980, Barack HUSSEIN Obama traveled to Pakistan; at a time when US passports could not be used for entry to that country. What passport did he have? This presents a whole other problem. If he had an Indonesian passport and was a citizen of that country, it is not possible for him to re-naturalize in the US and be President.

    • ellen

      That is another birther myth. The answer is, wait for it, US passports could be used in Pakistan, and in fact Pakistan was delighted to see them. Who told that Pakistan kept US tourists out or that Pakistan was on a "no travel list." Neither is true.

      • Truth goes 100 MPH

        Have you read the foreword of his unpublished book? I guess it was cool to "lie" about his birthplace way back then? Training for the presidency and ObongoCare?

        • ellen

          That blurb was written by a literary agent who admitted to making the mistake all by herself and not checking with Obama. Does the mistake of a literary agent make someone born in a foreign country?

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          What year did she "admit" to the error? How many countries on the planet and she just happened to decide on Kenya? Want to give me the winning Lotto numbers?

        • Mark Tallman

          Well, it went uncorrected by Barack HUSSEIN Obama for YEARS and not until he decided to run for the White House.

        • Mark Tallman

          Do you remember when MOUCHelle spoke about going to Barack's homeland of Kenya? OOPS!!!

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          There is a tape where the "Chosen One" said he was born in Kenya. Try finding these tapes now. It's OK. They can have their laughs but time is our friend and their enemy.

      • Mark Tallman

        You are an idiot! I never said Pakistan was on a "no travel list." In 1980, it was Pakistan that refused to accept US passports. We had no relations with them at that time. This is when Barack HUSSEIN Obama traveled there! I again ask, since US passports could not be used to enter Pakistan in 1980, what passport (i.e., where was he a citizen) at that time?

        • ellen

          Re: " In 1980, it was Pakistan that refused to accept US passports."

          Answer: It DIDN'T refuse to accept US passports. Who told you that it did?

        • Mark Tallman

          Pakistan's UN Mission office. I think THEY have a better handle on this than YOU! The person I spoke with said it is a sad part of their history, but it is what it is. Facts are wonderful things. TRY it some time!

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          It's OK Mark. They are allowed to write history differently. All Dems and Progs do. "ellen", if that is her real name, is a paid troll and will collect her ObongoCheck and count the words we wasted on "her" Keep the faith Brother.

        • jong

          Absolutely correct. Pakistan in being in a up heaval did not accept passports from a number of non islamic nations. And those that did go in like ole jug ears were noted by the CIA.

    • rockyvnvmc

      According to reports, Barry obtained his very first US Passport, after being elected to the Senate. Thus he must have had another one, in order to travel to Pakistan. Most likely his Indonesian one. He allegedly first traveled to Indonesia , likely to renew his Passport, prior to traveling to Pakistan. His mother was no longer there, at that time. Why else would he have went ?

  • mikeledo

    I still didn't see anything new and startling. Oh yes! A person died in plane crash whose testimony doesn't mean anything . OMG!!!! Thanks Sheriff racist bonehead. I will be sure to stay tuned for more laughs at your stupidity, that is if you don't die in a plane crash or from some fatman related disease.

    • Truth goes 100 MPH

      The Radioactive Reject has appeared again. How goes troll? Hope all is well in ObongoLand. You will never see ANYTHING new until you shed the veil of stupidity that travels with all Progs. Now go build a playground in the basement. You still saving us from nuclear contamination of our drinking water? The sequester still have you down as 93% of the EPA was deemed "WE don't need you?"

    • gonzo731

      I don't think it's possible for deaths to not be politicized anymore. These guys are so delusional, and it's scary that the extreme right has this type of following in a first world (if we're still first world) country anymore.

      I'm hoping everyone here is just a troll, but that's incredibly wishful thinking on my part.

    • jong

      Sheriff Joe of course is no racist having all types on his force. You dont like him because you probably spent some time in his pink underwear. As for you I hope your demise is long and painful

      • mikeledo

        Joe doesn't do the hiring.

        • jong

          He does however ok the hires. One more lie or twist from a liberal.

        • mikeledo

          You just agreed he doesn't do the hiring. Typical Tea Party. Agree with the other guy then call him a liar. You must listen to Rush.

        • jong

          You are the liar. What I did say that he did not "hire " them but, he did check them out before they were hired. He does have a HR department moron.

        • mikeledo

          Exactly. HR hires them. Not Joe.

  • hbcark

    My problem is the following:

    “The lead investigator in Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obama’s birth certificate says the case has taken a startling turn, and sheriff’s investigators now are assisting the Cold Case volunteers.

    “‘When this information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering,’ Mike Zullo told WND. ‘This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.’

    “Zullo explained that because it’s an active investigation that could produce criminal charges, he’s unable to reveal details at the moment."

    Arpaio's Cold Case Posse always says things like "universe-shattering" & "pale of anything you can imagine" BUT when it comes to light it is chicken feed. Nuttin honey.

    I'm beginning to believe the "Posse" is as phony as the President. Just wait til March and you'll see by gosh. Yea right.

    As the ole Missouri motto goes: "SHOW ME"

    They need to s--t or get off the pot.

    • ellen

      Sheriff Joe and the Posse are phoney. Here is what the National Review says about them:

      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

      • Apolloone

        I found out that planet Earth is flat and not round as we have been led to believe. Here is startling proof that the Earth is indeed flat. Go to braindeadobama.orck

      • jong

        And were is your evidence???

  • Reelman1946

    As long as its hidden until Dec 2016...he could care less...of course, maybe his $400k annual life pension could be denied...that would be great...he is worth 12 million now so let him live off that..."its enough" as he would say...LOL.

    there are simply too many people in too many places that have come forward about very very strange aspects of BHO's life...maybe half are baloney but so so many are never explored due to stonewalling...

    and, we hear, one of BHO's 1st acts in 2009 was to seal his records...week 1....
    just another puzzling aspect...

    • ellen

      What are you talking about? Obama has shown both the web images and actual physical copies to the press of BOTH his short form and his long form Hawaii birth certificates, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. And the "sealed" myth was created by birthers. It's not true. Obama's private records are covered under ordinary privacy laws, the same laws that have kept the same kinds of records---school and college transcripts, passport records, etc.---of John McCain and Mitt Romney from being published.

      • rockyvnvmc

        Even Barry's Own law firm's forensic expert is now on record as stating that the birth certificates that were posted on the White House website are fraudulent !
        No Joke !
        It doesn't matter, anyways, since his foreign national father(s) would disqualify him as being a requisite 'Natural Born Citizen' anyways, regardless of Where he was born.
        Duel citizens are precluded from the Presidency, as have 'Foreign Influences'. The reason for the 'NBC' clause, to begin with.

  • Michael Ritter

    I had a good laugh at this one. Sheriff Joke and his little posse is just to funny. All PR. It's the dog& pony show. Their idiot claim that the BC is fraudulent only demonstrates the length they'll go to perpetuate their idiot agenda. The only part of this crazy article had to do with the untimely death of Ms Fuddy. Ms Fuddy was overweight and not surprisingly could have had a heart attack. How many people here have been on a plane crash, landing in the ocean? Of course the fake posse have had years now to produce actually facts, not the junk they've produced to date. Donald Trump could do it, the Clinton's couldn't do it.. Simply because it's not there! People here so want to believe, so desperate, but the fact is, it ain't happening! And Sheriff Joke and his little robots are the ones most people think look not just foolish, but stupid. But the one thing for sure is a fact - they'll sure take your money!! The remind me of Bernie MADEOFF with your money.

    • http://showyourfreedom.com/ Jeff

      O's day is coming. The democraps won't know what hit them. Justice will be served.

      • ellen

        Dream on.

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          Contrary to the belief of the Obongo supporters: He will NOT be president for life. Then we shall see if all those records remain sealed. Holder will see his name in lights also.

        • http://showyourfreedom.com/ Jeff

          You people that voted for this fraud and are so blind sided by this fraud will be dreaming on. I feel really sorry for you!

        • jong

          Dont worry we will make sure that there is somthing special for all his supporters to.

      • Apolloone

        That Day will surely come, justice may or may not be meted out by man in their case, but it will certainly be meted out by a just God and His name isn't allah.

        • http://showyourfreedom.com/ Jeff

          Amen!

    • ellen

      Michael Ritter said: "I had a good laugh at this one. Sheriff Joke and his little posse is just to funny. "

      Well said. And here is what the National Review thinks of Sheriff Joe and his posse:

      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

      • shamu9

        Hey Mikey and Ellen, why don't the two of you Trolls go somewhere quiet and Make Troll Whoopie!! Leave the comments to the Sane Folks!

    • svs

      Why won't he open up his school records? Why was one of his first executive orders to seal them forever? How did he go to Pakistan during a period when US citizens were not allowed? Why did the birth certificate posted have multiple Adobe layers where it was doctored?

    • YellowJacket2

      Khrushchev once commented that the "Americans are a funny people. You spit in their face and they try to convince you that it's raining and then they give you their umbrella." Of course he was speaking about the American liberals who were falling all over themselves to placate him at the time. Fortunately for the world, a solid conservative by the name of Ronald Reagan came along just in time and knocked the USSR on their collective butts before fools like you gave the country away. Please, if you insist on being blind don't try to convince the rest of us that we can't trust our own eyes. "None are so blind as those who will not see."

  • Goober

    Don't you get it? After the truth comes out Fuddy will be blamed for the misrepresentation of the facts, that way obama is off the hook for any blame. You can't blame someone if their dead... oh, wait a minute, you can blame them you just can't prosecute them. Guess who gets to go free of charges???

    • ellen

      Dream on. Fuddy was just one of four Hawaii officials including the former Republican Governor, Linda Lingle (a friend of Sarah Palin's) have all confirmed that Hawaii sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that every fact on the copy that the White House put online is exactly the same, that it MATCHES, the facts on what they sent to Obama. (And still further proof is the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961---and ONLY the DOH could send notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      • Jeanne Ballard

        Then why are they fake? Why is what was posted a horrible fake that was photoshopped?

        • Mark Tallman

          Because it lists his Father's race as "African." In 1961, it would have listed his Father's are as "Negro", or in the south, "Colored." "African" is a 1990's PC term.

        • Apolloone

          We all know why, even a Troll like Ellen knows why she just wont admit it.

      • Mark Tallman

        Why then, does it list his Father's race as "African." In 1961, it would have listed his Father's race as "Negro", or in southern states "Colored." "African" is a 1990's PC term.

      • YellowJacket2

        So other than the fact that the name of the hospital where Obama was supposed to have been born was not used by that hospital until twelve years after Obama was born. And the term "African American" to connote his race was not part of the legal language until even much later. What is it about the Photoshop fabrication of Obama's long form live birth certificate that has convinced you that it is genuine and Obama is not a fraud? .

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          You use facts when they argue emotions. All the cites they list are as fake as the media coverage of the "Chosen One" His time is coming soon.

      • rockyvnvmc

        The Appeal of Obama's Eligibility to be on the ballot, in the 2012 elections case is currently being heard, by the Alabama State Supreme Court. The AZ Sheriff's forensic investigation's results, have been submitted as evidence. One of the Justices, Tom Parker, who previously saw the evidence, when it previously was brought before that same court, is on record as saying, that if such were to be presented to a court with the proper 'standing' (which it now Is) then it would go more towards proving his lack of eligibility, than otherwise.
        It will be very interesting to see what come's out of that case...

        • jong

          That is part of the problem and what king barry counted on. The length of time it takes this to get through the court system. IF this court decides against ole jug ears and his white hooded black panthers it is a whole new ball game. He truly will have no cloths

      • rockyvnvmc

        Since Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama aka Harrison Bounel (or Whatever his Real Name is) was adopted (or 'acknowledged') by his former 'Step' Father, his name was changed to Soetoro, as shown on his mother's US Passport (Soetoro/Soebarkah), at the time she requested that his name be removed from it. The adoption would be conveyed onto his legitimate birth certificate, showing his name to be Soetoro and his Father to be Lolo Soetoro, Not his natural father. Thus, whatever the birth certificate, that was received, from the State of HA said, it most certainly didn't say Obama (OR 'African', as it wasn't used for decades afterwards). It also destroys Any Claim that he might have had, towards being an American Citizen (much less a 'Natural Born Citizen' as required by the Constitution). A child of a Foreign National can Never be a 'NBC'.
        I was adopted and had to go to great lengths to receive my original birth certificate. In certain States, this is practically impossible. (I don't know the laws on this subject in Hawaii).
        Obama's Own Law Firm's forensic investigator is on record as stating that the BC posted on the White House website is Fraudulent, as well. Making it extremely difficult to believe that it is otherwise, especially considering that numerous AZ State Certified Forensic Investigators have reached the same conclusion. His Own Lawyers as much as admitted, in Court, that the BC is a fraud, but argued that it's irrelevant, since he's already 'pResident'.
        Sorry to burst your bubble.... but Facts are Facts.

  • http://wahrheitmacher.blogspot.com/ Most Rev. Gregori

    The one important thing that many people are forgetting is that EVEN IF Obama was born in Hawaii as he claims, he still is NOT a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution, because of the fact that his father was NOT a citizen of the US, and his mother had not met the required legal age to have conferred citizenship to Obama.

    • rockyvnvmc

      I agree, except that his mother's age only comes into play, if he were proven to have been born in Kenya. IF (and it's a Big if) Barry Was born in Hawaii, as claimed, then he would have been a mere 'citizen' but Not a 'Natural Born Citizen' as required by the Constitution, due to his Duel Citizenship, derived, as you said, from his Foreign National Father (and adoptive father).

      • Virginia Cavalier

        In the words of America's greatest ever Secretary Of State, Hillary "Kevlar Pantsuit" Clinton, "What difference does it make!"...

    • ltneid

      Even if he were born on Mars, he would be a natural born US citizen. Read the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

      • WhiteFalcon

        I wish he had been born on Mars, and stayed there.

      • jong

        No act or law can supersede the Constitution of the United States. Strangely enough that was the first day in Poly Sci 101.

    • Apolloone

      Correct and what is even more amazing is people like Sean Hannity are supporting people who they consider that would make a great president but are not qualified under the Constitution either. It's bad enough the way it is now; I liken it to a horse race with two horses running the owner owns horse Democrat and horse Republican it doesn't matter to the owner which one of his horses wins because he is still the winner. The only way we can change this is to wake enough up to this fact and start getting rid of these career politicians these are the ones who are coming out against the TEA party because they are waking up a sleeping giant the voters that can bring them down from the thrones they have built for themselves on the backs of we the taxpayers, these greedy blanks have already spent the money of our children and grand children and it's still not enough for them.

  • A_Murricun

    You may have noticed that Barry has trouble speaking extemporaneously. Hems, haws, etc. That's because he is deathly afraid of spilling his own beans. If he says the "wrong" thing, he will be found out.

    • Flayer

      I always thought that he has a transmitter in his ear and is catching up with what is being fed to him to say. That is what his halting speaking style sounds like to me. Has anyone looked into his big ears before a debate or presser?

    • Apolloone

      What really sickens me is the Sycophant Marxist Media when they tell us what a great speaker he is and how super intelligent he is. Don't you get chills when you hear him Hemming and Hawing, and his Ers and Ers(:-)

    • Virginia Cavalier

      Barry's job is to read from The TelePrompter! Will he have the style, the courage, to read his own resignation when The TelePrompter Man sends him that message...

  • Jeanne Ballard

    I'll believe it when I see it

    • RPW

      I beleive there is something big amiss but the big "if" is will we ever see it?

  • Elaine Farrell

    Anyone ever see a photo of his mom pregnant? Or a picture of him as a baby or as a toddler? The truth could be pretty shocking.

    • Apolloone

      I haven't and I wonder sometimes if he might be the product of a deep underground test tube experiment. We really don't know much at all about this man, what we do know about his background wouldn't qualify another person with that same background to be his body guard, much less be the U.S President.

    • jong

      No. But have seen some of his mother in what passed for porno back then.

  • WhiteFalcon

    Ovomit is a fraud from one end to the other, and so is the commieonazicrat party, aka democrat party, because they have known it from the beginning. All who have been involved with this crime should be tried, convicted, and put in prison for a lot of serious time.

    • Virginia Cavalier

      Might that include recalling the Food Stamps and Cell Phones of ObamaNation Sycophants...

      • WhiteFalcon

        yep

  • jdbixii

    Well, H-E-L-L-O...... if all the rights and privileges appertaining to a college degree were enumerated at graduation, life might not be a complicated matter of "working out one's own salvation." So much for the college degree. A whole lot of people obviously did not care about the qualifications anyway. It was the history-making skin color that was all that truly mattered. In this may be found the altruistic truth of this administration.

    • rockyvnvmc

      Funny thing is, that George Zimmerman has More black African blood, than Barry Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah/Bounel (or Whatever his Real Name is) has !

  • John Orendorff

    Same old tired birther crap. Nothing will come of this. Wanna put some money on it?

    • Jim Buzzell

      John you must be an ardent Usurper supporter. Blind, crippled and crazy.

      • patriot2

        I also think he's (john)another little hitler supporter,but he may be right on one count,which is what happens now.I don't think there is anyone in dc with enough balls to do the right thing,which is haul his lousy carcass out to the gallows.

    • jong

      Is you girlfriend ellen or are you just having casual sex with her.???

      • Truth goes 100 MPH

        John Boy will tell you it all depends on what "is" is. He consulted Billy Bob

  • samuelafugglas

    "Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg", no it was Her Majesty Queen Margrethe of Denmarks first minister Helle Thorning Smith on the selfie. Sorry.

    • Billy Bob Johnson

      Only goes to show that info on this site is all "bugle oil" as Col. Potter used to say.

  • groscoe

    I wish these guys would stop with the soap opera handling of this and wait until they have the evidence before saying we're going to have it in 3 months.......waste of time reading it......

    • ltneid

      This way, they can beg for just the few more donations that are needed to shatter the universe.

    • navyvet1986

      Sometimes waiting for the right time is wise. Next year, they will have little time to defend themselves, while elections are boiling hot. Strategy...don't give them a hint. Make them believe all is fine and quiet. Then fire!

  • Enkininti

    Why wait until March? We have heard this before. If there is shattering evidence, let's hear it NOW!

    • ellen

      There is NO shattering evidence. The evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming. See above.

      • Enkininti

        Ellen, who is paying you to write this crap? If no one is, then you need some counselling.

    • johnob1

      I agree with you. The minute Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II conquered the White House, he wanted to create an 8,000 private man army for himself. Since then, I've been trying so hard to have this foreign-born illegal alien agent arrested. I blame our U.S. Representatives who holds the absolute powers but lack the guts to insure this nation remains under the principles of our Founding Fathers' United States Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

      I've said quite often that "We the People" should select true patriots for public office instead of a 'party" choosing for us; that way there would be no favoritism attached. I rather listen to the average Jane and Joe for their recommendation instead of a politician.

      As Americans we do have that choice via the Internet to select and choose by word of mouth who would make the best Representative for the American people in the name of trust and honor. We don't really have enough of these around today.

      The foreign-born illegal alien agent Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II MUST be ARRESTED NOW!!

      MSGT JOHN CORREA
      USAF (RET)

      • Enkininti

        Well stated, Sir. Thank you for your service.

  • Airdoc507

    If Obama is found to be a fraud, then everyone who signed off the vetting process or knew about it should also be arrested - Biden, Pelosi, Reid and whomever. Unfortunately, this would put Boehner in as President.

    • ellen

      Re : "If Obama is found to be a fraud,'

      The evidence that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii is overwhelming. In addition to Obama's Hawaii birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials and the Index Data and the birth notices, there is the simple fact that we do not know that his mother even had a passport in 1961---and that very very few 18-year-olds did in that year, and that EXTREMELY few women traveled late in pregnancy due to the relatively high risk of stillbirths.

      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and
      they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and
      his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went
      from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their
      daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give
      birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE
      (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in
      Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without
      getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which
      would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that
      country and the records would still exist);

      (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite
      (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got
      the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth
      in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the
      woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have
      found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

      If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign
      country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been
      born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

      So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

      • Raymond Michael Borland

        Obama attended a public school in Indonesia at a time when Indonesia did not allow non-Indonesian citizens to attend their public schools. It appears his mother gave up his USA citizenship, if he actually had US citizenship. If he had a legitimate birth certificate why hide it? He paid $2 million in legal fees for lawyers to block access to all his documents. I got a copy of my birth certificate for $5.00, no hassle.

        Leave all that behind and go directly to the birth certificate the White House released. It is beyond a shadow of a doubt a forgery. There are so many problems with it including layering and type that did not line up, hallows around the typed in information in part of the form even though the original b.c. had wavy green lines throughout, etc. Even the document expert who worked for the law firm that is protecting access from Obama's documents has examined the b.c. and has stated it is a forgery.

        • jong

          I think he may have had actually "citizenship" if he had stayed. However his father was never a citizen and therefore was still unable to become President.

        • Jeanne Stotler

          Raymond, she's so into Obama s thinks he can part he waters, she'll never believe it even if sworn t by numerous people, guess we just ignore her

      • jh

        ellen, you are a moron

      • jong

        First of all we only have the name to say who was the father. A DNA test I am sure would prove that either Davis or Louis the German Shepard was the father. Second part of your lie. The British had very good health care in their colonies. And yes many women did travel for what ever reasons even in this time period. It was not the dark ages. And the reason ole jug ears was let back in was because of his age moron. Then he left and became a Indonesian citizen complete with muslim training.

    • russellbennett

      As bad as that is it would still be better then Obama.

    • Carolyn Ferrante

      He's safer than the bunch we have now!

    • johnob1

      I believe the House Speaker John A. Boehner could be Impeached for his defiance of the American people in that he refused to have the known foreign-born illegal alien agent Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II arrested as a Saboteur.

      I'm sure the majority of Americans are very capable of recognizing when 'sabotage' has been committed against the United States of America and its citizens by a foreign agent. As U.S. House Speaker, and leader, John A. Boehner is responsible for the safety and security of the United States and its people. He has failed to provide for the nation and its people the security it deserves, and that renders him unqualified for the Office of the United States Presidency.

      To give you an idea of the corruption within the U.S. House of Representatives; I've been cut-off all Republican member's fax numbers including John A. Boehner. It is obvious that they prefer to keep a blind eye leading to our nation's demise. However, I did managed to get through the fax numbers of the majority of Republican Governors throughout the United States regarding Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II's original birth certificate from Mombasa, (Kenya) East Africa.

      I also managed to explain how Obama's mother Stanley Ann Dunham Obama communicated with her mother from Mombasa, East Africa, to her mother in Hawaii and instructed her to place the fraudulent birth announcement of Barack Hussein Obama II as being born at the "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital" in Hawaii's local newspapers. Get this now; the hospital's name mentioned above did not exist until 1978, and yet, Barack Hussein Obama II was born in 1961.

      All these deceptions is the result of the communist controlled news Medias and American traitors occupying both Houses of the U.S., and their cover-up of the foreign-born illegal alien agent dictator Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II. The lies and cover-ups by our own nation's news reporters and U.S. Representatives are so overwhelming it makes it difficult even for me to keep up.

      I had to use the services of a Stationary Supply Store to fax Congresswoman Michele Bachmann what I tried to fax other U.S. Representatives, for which, I had been cut-off. How's this for representatives who don't give a damn for their constituents or their country?

      MSGT JOHN CORREA
      USAF (RET)

  • robertdavidhummel

    WISH THAT DATE WERE ...January 28, 2014, on the HOUSE FLOOR...BEFORE ...THE OSAMA>OBAMA<OSAMA, State of The UNION DESTRUCTION MESSAGE...PERIOD.

  • DOOM161

    It can't be against the law for someone to provide his own birth certificate in Hawaii. So why won't Obama do that? It can't be because he's too busy; he met with Sebelius once on Obamacare.

    • ellen

      Obama has received official copies of both his short form and long form birth certificates, and he has shown both the physical copies and the Web images of both of them, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them both to him and that ALL the facts on the copies that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. (And that is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" sections of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 19612---and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

      • rocquedog

        Troll alert. Ellen is back.

      • russellbennett

        The investigaors found 1000 Names of babies in those newspapers that were born in Japan. The micrflim would prove if Obama was born in Hawaii.

        • ellen

          But they did not show a single one. (I wonder why not????)

          The fact is that ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers, where Obama's birth notice appeared, and the DOH only sent notices for births IN Hawaii. And the birth notices are confirmed further by the Index Data file and the teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, after being told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. And, guess what, we do not even know whether Obama's mother had a passport in 1961 and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy due to the high risk of stillbirth---and yet birthers are gullible enough to assume that both she had a passport and that she was one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy, and that the birth certificates and the officials that confirm them and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. GULLIBLE.

        • jong

          While travel was not as extensive as it was to become women in great numbers still did it. More excuses and lies.

      • Carolyn Ferrante

        ellen -- On the birth certificate shown online, the name of the hospital cited was not in existence at the time of the birth date on the certificate. Also, I think the noted country, Kenya, also cited on the BC (noted as his father's place of birth), wasn't a nation at that time. It didn't exist! I think there was also another "error."

        • jong

          Give the lady a cigar or a box of chocolates. It was known as the British Protectorate of East Africa. It did not become Kenya for several years after ole jug ears was born.

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          One of the many reasons Obongo hates Britain. After he gave a bust of Churchill back, he denied it. The day is fast approahing

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          You don't have to THINK it as you are 100% correct. Not to worry because the "intellects" on the Obongo team never read history so those facts escaped them. Nice job!

      • patriot2

        if obama has his birth cert why doesn't he release only fakes?

      • Truth goes 100 MPH

        This was a common practice by many Japanese families to obtain citizenship for "illegals" Do a little research.

      • jong

        Then if he had all the documents why first did they present ones that were false?? Your argument is illogical. And you are a liar. Very simple. Just like the documents.

  • suckcnn

    Ovomit is a fraud and NBC is worse for keeping their heads up his Biden

    • ellen

      Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate, and the repeated confirmations of the officials of both parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home all show.

      • Karll

        Perhaps, but that Hawaiian b.c. posted on line is clearly heavily modified.

        I'm willing to bet his Columbia transcripts show he enrolled as a foreigner from Indonesia. Columbia regularly turns down straight A students with high SAT scores regardless of their skin pigmentation. How else does a pot smoker with mediocre grades get accepted unless they falsely portray themselves as "foreign"?

      • Jeanne Stotler

        Hey Troll, Anyone could post in newspapers, it was common practice, so that Japanese and Chinese babies could go to school, BCs were computer generated and contained MANY obvious errors. There is no record , even the Gov. admitted, of Obama's birth, we just need an HONEST, CONSERVATIVE JUDGE, when he falls I hope you have your Kleenex stocked well, as he is the worse criminal in the political History of this country

  • robertdavidhummel

    WISH THAT DATE WERE ...January 28, 2014, on the HOUSE FLOOR...BEFORE ...THE OSAMA>OBAMA<OSAMA, State of The UNION DESTRUCTION MESSAGE...PERIOD.

  • PatrickJT

    If incontrovertible evidence revealed that Obama was a KGB agent, the morons who voted for him a second time would vote for him again--even for a third term. The criminal politician problem is secondary to the moron population problem.

    • ellen

      If incontrovertible evidence revealed that birther sites lied to their readers, which in fact is true, then their nutty readers would still believe the birther lies. For example, there is the LIE that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (she actually said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. Birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked "where was he born?" I wonder why they did that???) And yet there are gullible morons who believe the birther sites.

      • Truth goes 100 MPH

        So Hillary was incorrect when she was the FIRST person to bring up the issue? Who said "Any American President that lies to the public should resign?" Go back to the senate hearings concerning Watergate. Seems she hadn't married Billy Bob yet.

        • ellen

          HILLARY checked on whether Obama was born in Hawaii, and when she found out that the evidence that he was is overwhelming, she stopped checking.

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          You live in a world where words mean nothing. A Congressman called him a liar a few years ago and was reprimanded. That lie and countless others have been proven. The sky could part and God himself could tell you but you will stick up for him no matter how damning the evidence. He said he was of the Muslim faith on a TV show and George Stephie had to correct him. Sometimes the truth actually slips out. What did he say was the sweetest sound in the morning?

        • Jeanne Stotler

          He stated in his book, before it was revised, that he was born in Kenya and also a Muslim, when he started running, all the books were pulled and revised, so either he lied in his book or is lying now, and in "America 2016" the author talked to relatives that said he was born in Kenya, BUT they all mysteriously disappeared when he went back for further interviews, seems Obama had them relocated, the grandmother Ellen is referring to is the one in Hawaii and there is no record of an interview and she died while he was running for first term

        • jong

          Another lie. She stopped because a good friend of hers and bills was killed and then the killer was killed by the police. It is well known the man had connections with Obama. Chelsea was next.

        • Fredrick Neal Rehders

          His mother was a U.S. citizen and apparently, that is all that is currently required to convey citizenship. I know what the Federalist Papers say, but our Conservative Ted Cruz is relying on the fact that his U.S. mom will offset his Cuban father and Canadian birth, to make him eligible to run for Prez. or VP. Has a baaad precedent been established or some interpretation of our amended Constitution, that I am not aware of, allow this?

        • NotJim

          "baaad precedent"

          Yes -- if it indeed is a precedent.

    • patriot2

      of course the morons would vote for obama again,they would vote for hitler if he were a democrat.

      • John Beam

        They would vote for satan himself (complete with the horns, tail, pitchfork, and the smell of rotten eggs) if his name had a "D" next to it.

      • Dale Hogue

        Hitler was a democrat socialist liberal. The Nazi Party was a democrat socialist liberal party. Look up the word democrat in your dictionary.

    • Carolyn Ferrante

      PatrickJT -- Under those circumstances, wouldn't they, too, get hit with law suits and incarcerated for treason??? :)

  • ltneid

    Between Arpaio's crack cold case team and Orly Taitz's crack legal team, we have been promised universe shattering news for several years. I don't think either group could shatter an egg.

    • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

      Every case has been sunk by 0bama's directive through his liberal stacked 'courts' system, it's no coincidence that this key issue has had such difficulty going forward.

    • CaMaven

      Actually, the evidence is there. Most blame for failure to act can be laid at the feet of courts, Congress, FBI, state legislatures and AG's/SoS's/prosecutors., a special prosecutor is needed, due to the corruption of these.

  • Traditionist

    Just remember Obama is a believer in the Islamic Doctrine
    of Deception and is obligated to lie!

    • ellen

      WHO told you that? And why were you gullible enough to believe it??

      • dangkids

        @Ellen,
        Just read Barack Obama's book, HE SAID IT HIMSELF.

        ...'HE WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW ISLAM" (QUOTE, UNQUOTE)

        LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE THE GULLIBLE ONE.

        • Eric Lemaitre

          Please note that his religion is not the problem, I know personally some Muslims in US who are excellent people, the problem is Obama himself, not his religion.
          In India, despite may wars and hatred with Pakistan, their vice President Hamid Ansari is a Muslim, and he works well and is appreciated despite the issues with local Muslims. India even had 3 Muslim Presidents since independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_India) and this has not been a problem, so religion is NOT the problem in Obama's case.

      • jong

        Good lord you are stupid or a shill or both. First of all we know ole jug ears is a muslim his Indonesian passport proves that. As a muslim he is allowed to cheat, steal, kill in order to promote islam its called Taqiyya. Please leave and come back when you can at least make a logical argument. Right now all you are is a ignorant liar.

        • CaMaven

          Ellen is a notorious obot.

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          I think we burnt it out.

      • Eric Lemaitre

        Ellen, Obama was a devoted Muslim officially for his whole childhood, all the official documents in Indonesia about him confirm it, he even officially studied mengaji which is advanced Islamic knowledge for those who want to become imams, he was born Islamic since his father was, so there is no doubt at all that Obama is a Muslim by birth and has been one for many many years. And the deception doctrine "Traditionist" is speaking about is the taqiyya, which allows a Muslim to do anything even sacrilegious anti-Islamic stuff as long as it allows to deceive the infidels, so he is technically right. There is absolute official proof that Obama was a Muslim for very long, there is none that he has been a Christian apart his own declarations, and anyway his official form of Christianity with the ultra-racist anti-white pastor Jeremiah Wright is certainly not mine.
        So you should probably at least respect all those who have doubts about Obama, even apart the 1st amendment aspect, if you consider all the things Obama has officially said there is an appalling proportion of blatant lies, the most famous one so far being "if you like your doctor you can keep him" while he knew for years that millions of US people would loose their health insurance and some democrat congressmen admitted they all knew it too.

        • ltneid

          He left Indonesia at the age of 10. I don't know how advanced his study of Islam could have been by the 4th grade.

        • Eric Lemaitre

          Exact, but he continued to be a Muslim well after that, you have many witnesses who made a testimony he was a devoted Muslim up to 18 years old at least, which is of course his absolute right without contest.
          You have a complete study of Obama as a Muslim with Daniel Pipes, you will find everything you need there.

      • Traditionist

        It just take a small amount of research and common sense to learn that Unlike the Christian or Jewish religions, Sharia-compliant Islam not only permits its believers to lie but actually commands it in some circumstances. Obama is a Muslim and secretly practices Islam. He is an impostor.

  • bobmead1960

    What good is the proof if nobody does anything with it??? This is bogus! Who will take up the cause other than the posse? If not, we are beating our hand into the 'air.'

    • MrsCleaver

      Exactly right !!!!!! Nobody really cares enough to do anything about it.

  • Carolyn Ferrante

    Why wait until March? We all know that someone else will get knocked off by then, resulting in crucial evidence being "lost in a fire or car crash or get decimated in Meow cat food," blah, blah, blah. Haven't we good Americans waited long enough for a court case, an arrest, and a one-way ticket to Kenya?

    • CaMaven

      The nation can't wait any longer. We are already in aserious crisis. Worse than Obama are the traitors of both big, corrupt parties and media enabling him.

  • Mae Bell

    I have been skeptical of the whole birther thing, but I think that if Obama's college records were released that it would show that he went to school as a foreign student. This is entirely speculative, but to me is the only explanation for him not releasing them. At the very least, if he is a citizen, it would show that he committed fraud.

    • muf69

      According to the law if he used a foreign passport to show citizenship of another country in order to attend school as a foreign student then he forfeits his USA citizenship. He is not entitled to just start claiming to be an American citizen. Congress needs to get off their ass and deal with it because if they don't it sets a precedent that will allow anyone to be elected to the presidency.

      • CaMaven

        That's already happened, with Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Santorum, all lining up to run. None are eligible,

        • dixie68

          Why?

        • CaMaven

          None had two parents who were American Citizens when he was born, one wasn't even born in the USA.

        • dixie68

          I believe they only have to have one parent who is an American ciitizen. In obama's case, his mother had not reached the age where she could transfer her citizenship to her child.

        • CaMaven

          For Citizenship, yes, and the age of the mother was a factor. But natural born Citizenship is a higher standard. Read and be liberated: http://art2superpac.com/issues.html.

    • ellen

      Obama did not release his college records because Mitt Romney and John McCain did not release their college records either. Nor did George W. Bush or Bill Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan, or Carter, or Ford, or Nixon, or LBJ, or JFK---so why should Obama? The story that Obama registered as a foreign student comes from AN APRIL FOOL'S ARTICLE originally published on April 1, 2009.

      • jong

        No actually it has been repeated numerous times by a postal worker that was friends with Bill Ayers parents that referred to Obama as a foreign student. He committed either a felony by accepting the money or he could not be President as a foreigner.

        • ltneid

          My daughter's best friend's aunt's hairdresser has all the facts on his birth status, and she says he was born in Kenya.

        • Mae Bell

          Point taken. Have O release his college records and much of this controversy would be laid to rest.

        • CaMaven

          We already have a forged birth certificate claimed by many document specialists., including a forensic document expert witness from Obama's own law firm, fraudulent Selective Service registration, multiple Social Security crimes, failed E-Verify check, a self-written author's biography claiming he was born in Kenya, a mysterious Kenyan birth certificate with a footprint on it that needs comparison to the usurper's, Bill Ayers' mailman claiming that Ayers'; wife told him Obama was a foreign student, Obama's own grandmother saying he was born in Kenya, etc. Whether or not Obama forged those documents himself, he would be guilty of misprision of felony and benefitting from a felony.

        • GeneP54

          Go on YouTube and you can see for yourself the Kenyan stating he's Kenyan...and his wife agrees.

        • CaMaven

          I'm no fan of Obama's and believe he is ineligble, but if it's the same video I saw, it's doctored and not credible,

        • GeneP54

          Here's a montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUU1rGjFGms
          (there are a lot more. just found this one quickly)

        • CaMaven

          Some of the same footage I saw- Dubbed. On the dinner video, he was obviously joking. I don't think Moochelle meant he was born there.

        • Truth goes 100 MPH

          Hey Einstein: Is that the same as Harry Reid saying a friend of his said Romney didn't pay taxes? Guess that was another lie by the Dems. You folks are a sorry lot. How is that ObongoCare roll out doing?

        • CARLjr

          To be fair, we only got to see Romney's taxes from 2010 and 2011. Reid was talking about the decade before.

        • jong

          Actually I believe that was Rev Dr. Alan Keye's and he has a lot more credibility than you do.

      • Mae Bell

        Since there is so much controversy, and he claims to be transparent, he should release them. The only reason for not releasing them is that they will show that he is not what he claims to be, whether it be citizenship, academic achievement, associations or philosophy

      • broadcastdude

        Actually, G.W. Bush’s along with John Kerry’s transcripts were released. They revealed that Bush’s GPA was a little higher than Kerry’s. Democrats don’t want to talk about that.

        • Mark Tallman

          Barack HUSSEIN Obama can't release his college transcripts and records because he received aid as a foreign student!

    • [email protected]

      This is why thinking people - even the MSM people on FOX - do not take this craziness seriously.
      Thinking people do not begin an "investigation" with a pre-conceived conclusion and then work backwards to find evidence to support that conclusion.

  • John Beam

    "Michelle may join in after she had to sit through him playing footsy with a selfie with Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg."

    First of all, it was the DANISH PM, Helle Thorning-Schmidt, and secondly, Michelle no-doubt has the same political aspirations as Hillary Clinton, and that goes away if she decides to turn any tables on BHO.

    • Karll

      How can she be jealous when she's in an obviously fake marriage for political purposes?

      • Michael Brown

        True dat!

    • HOFFHACK

      As far as the first thing....Archie would say: "Whatevah!!!!" But you are dead on about the second thing!!!!

  • cookie

    why not just speed it up and slam them now. What is in march that is so special, are you going to wait till the lower courts are full of his hand picked num nuts ideologist

    • ltneid

      Waiting until March gives them four more months of fundraising.

    • ellen

      Nothing is coming in March and there is nothing now. The facts show overwhelmingly that Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate (short form and long form), and the confirmation of the officials of both parties, and the Index Data, and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home all show.

      • jong

        Really?? In a hospital that would not get the name on the paper for several years from his "birth"?? And he was legally a citizen in Indonesia that until recently did not have dual citizenship. And he carried these papers on him after he was a minor.and into his "majority"

        • patriot2

          long time no see,give her hell,she's another ignorant troll like the "loyal texan".

      • taylorRod

        Then perhaps you could explain why he would publicly release a fake document, so declared by every credible examiner to date.

        • ltneid

          The only examiners who have declared it a fake are the ones who haven't examined it.

        • HOFFHACK

          Another "Twi-light" Zoner!!! I know 3rd graders that could produce a more convincing BC than that!! Jeez Louise!!!!"""

      • Jeanne Stotler

        Do you really believe that? there are so many discrepincies in the BCs just to star there were no computer BC's in 1961, and children born were not Afrigan, but listed as Negro way into '70's. I worked L&D, another, the Hospital he was suppose to born in didn't have Maternity, next door was Children's an Maternity home, merged in '70's

      • HOFFHACK

        DOOOO NOT ATTEMPT TO ADJUST YOUR TV SET, ELLEN IS COMING IN FOR A LANDING FROM THE "TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

        • Marj0120

          I think ellen is just yanking our chains, no one can possibly be that stupid or foolish!

        • HOFFHACK

          I don't know!!! The way she just pulls her overwhelming facts out of the air!! I am probably showing my age, but she would have had Sargent Joe Friday scratching his head when he asked: "Just the facts Ma'am!!! (lol)

      • drlove999

        Your another obot idiot...Everything u said in this post is a lie and the exact opposite...Where have u been the last 5 years??...You would have to be an idiot and mentally challenged at this point in time to write what u just wrote...Leave ur head where it currently (where the sun dont shine) cause it aint gettin any brighter...

      • CARLjr

        Don't forget over 200 failed lawsuits

    • taylorRod

      Maybe they don't want it to be "old news" by then.

  • downs1

    We know intuitively that Obama is a fraud, but that's not enough! You need hard evidence and people who are credible in order to expose, indict, try and punish him! Apparently we have that; however, the roadblocks are significant in a government that is extremely corrupt, very well financed, constantly on guard and that will [attempt to] discredit, remove, or otherwise hinder any and all investigators. But they cannot hide forever from the truth which will ultimately identify them! Watch!

  • jong

    Obama was never able to become President and his being in the White House is the biggest fraud of the era. The founding fathers in their writings and the writings of the time meant for both parents to be citizens of the United States before birth in order to be a "natural born" citizen. In that he held a Indonesian passport that did not accept dual citizen ship and his going to school here as a foreign student drives the point even further home. We can only hope that the next Attorney General will pursue this as a matter of law.

    • ellen

      Obama never had an Indonesian passport, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm, and every child born on US soil is a Natural Born US citizen regardless of the citizenship of the parents at the time of the birth.

      • Jeanne Stotler

        Read the Constitution, Must have BOTH parents citizens at the time of birth,

        • HOFFHACK

          Now I'm no Obama fan, but where exactly is it written in the Constitution. Because if you are talking about "Natural Born" that has never been settled. But one way or another, he would have had to have been physically born here, which we know he was not! His mother did not meet the requirements to claim him as an American Citizen either.

        • drlove999

          The issue of natural born citizen has been settled for years..Even out US supreme court settled the issue in minor vs happernset...Read the founding fathers history over the issue of natural born citizen..It was as well established as the sun rises in the east and settles in the west..Every human being on earth knew what it meant, except of course, idiots like you!!!!

        • HOFFHACK

          Sticks and stones Pal, it has never been settled, all the expert agree on that point, oh excuse me......except for you!!! Before you call someone an idiot, have good look in the mirror first!

        • drlove999

          Because u are an idiot of history, I cannot help u..Any expert u list is as idiotic as you..A short look in our founding fathers past would quickly clean up any mis-understanding u have concerning the meaning of natural born citizen...Because u are too lazy to examine history, I will not debate an idiot!!

        • HOFFHACK

          Why don't you get a little history under your belt, pup! Did your Mama not tell you, that it is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt??

        • drlove999

          Your an obot and an idiot..You will continue to write back to my post until ur arm falls off..This is how stupid u obots who support obama blindly really are..Awaiting ur response idiot!!

        • HOFFHACK

          Now you really have put your foot in it! Calling me an "Obot" is like calling Obama a "Bush lover!" I see you like to use ur and u, you wouldn't happen to be one of those yokels who texts while driving at 70 MPH!! Yep! You look like the type. Should have listened to your Mama and remained "silent!"

        • drlove999

          Only an idiotic obot would continue to write back ridiculing and name calling...hahaha...You have been exposed for who u truly are..Your arrogance and indignant attitude has exposed u for the fraud that u are...Since u are an obot obama loving operative u are obsessed with having the last word...Unfortunately for u, I will not give u that satisfaction..Another tell tale give away of a true obot.I will keep u on here responding back to me until one of 2 events occur...Either u will die or ur arm will fall off from responding..I will control u forever on this thread until reason prevails with the last word..You obots always have to have the last demeaning word..Unfortunately, u will not get it..Therefore, write back soon to fulfill my prediction...If I dont hear from u, then u are sane and ok..If I do here back from you, then I will know (as will the world) who u truly are and I will keep u on here responding until u die....You will NEVER get the last word....

        • HOFFHACK

          Again you put your foot in it Sonny! Just a brief scan of the posts shows that the only NAME CALLING HAS BEEN DONE BY YOU! I do not engage in name calling, it is beneath my my dignity. Since it is obvious I am a bit older than you, I am so conservative, I make you look like a "NEW DEALER" And I certainly don't have anything to prove to anyone in that department, especially you "Dr. Love!!!"" And as far as you getting the last word!! You have no hope! Now let's see: Dr. Love 198 comments 79 up votes................HOFFHACK 1023 comments 5,157 Up votes!!! My goodness, that is 5 up votes for every post.......yah had enough yet????

        • drlove999

          Your an obot and an idiot...I knew u would be forced to respond caue u cant resist..I ouitted you and now the world knows who u are..Therefore u stupid idiotic kool aid drinkin obot keep responding back till u sie or ur arm falls off, whichever occurs first..This will be fun as I will keep u responding forever...hahaah,,I won you..Your my little pet monkey and I control you..I havent controlled an obot for a long time...Enjoy the ride..Look forward to more idiotic post from u idiot!Q!

        • HOFFHACK

          Stupid is as stupid does!

        • drlove999

          hahahaahal....I love idiotic obots like you...I own u now..You will write back until u die...ahahah I own you idiot...awaiting ur idiotic response..haahah

        • HOFFHACK

          Stupid is as stupid does!

        • drlove999

          hahahaah....idiotic obot!!!...write back and hurry!!

        • HOFFHACK

          Stupider is as Stupider does!!!

        • drlove999

          idiot obot!!...I own you@@@

        • HOFFHACK

          You are looking more stupid all the time!!

        • drlove999

          hahaha....My little pet monkey opens his mouth and out comes shit...idiotic obot!!...You will always be forced to write back until u die...hahahaa...This is why I love obots!!

        • HOFFHACK

          What did you do? Stay up all night? I slept like a baby! I was wondering how long it would take you to resort to profanity! Must give you a "Tingle up your leg!" Keep at it! The more you blather Lad, the dumber you sound!! BTW, don't you work? Or are you on Unemployment and food stamps!!! Despite you short comings Dr. Love, have a Merry Christmas! Maybe you'll be lucky, or get lucky and find a life!

        • drlove999

          like i said...I own u jerk..I will keep u here responding back until u die...haahahah..I want to break my post with an obot..The last one I wrote to like u we posted 2,225 comments before he gave up..I want to break my all time record...look forward to hearing back from u idiot obot..ahahah

        • HOFFHACK

          (:-) Such an "Obsessive Compulsive!!!" (:-) I have all the time in the world!!! Laddie!!

        • drlove999

          keep em coming idiot obot..ur pride and arrogance will keep u here until u die..I hope we can make at least 10,000 comments before u die..ahhaah

        • HOFFHACK

          (:-) Must be "Puppy Love!!!" (-:)

        • drlove999

          hey, idiot obot...Thanks for writing back soo quickly..Write more bs immediately so i can reach my goal of 10,000 post before u die jerk!!...hahaah

        • HOFFHACK

          Yawn! Just for the record though, you little "Prig" I am a Life Member of the NRA, A Life Member of Gun Owners of America, a founder of the Wildwood Tea party Chapter, a 4 year Navy Vet 69-74, so everyone on this and every other board knows I am not an "O-bot!" So you wind up looking foolish by calling me that! But I am right about Presidential eligibility, it has never been satisfactorily settled, if it had been settled as you suggest, this guy could have never run! And I am going to get to 10,000 a long time before you do.............(:-)

        • drlove999

          Only an idiotic obot would contimue to write back..You pride will end up killing u...Incidentally, idiot, I never said the eligibility issue had been settled..What i said was the term natural born citizen was a settled issue and had been since the founding fathers wrote the Constitution...I hope I keep u on here past 10,000..Maybe 20 or 40,000 comments until u die of old age u idiot!!!

        • HOFFHACK

          The only thing "killing" us (with laughter) is you! We did not know that there could be such a self centered "priggish" person such as yourself! You want me to stop, you are salivating at the prospect of me stopping so you can somehow prove your manhood! Sorry boot, ain't happening! Don't stay up all night like last night, I am signing off for tonight, I hope the padding on your walls can hold out until morning!! Nite nite! (:-)

        • drlove999

          hahaha...Your my little pet monkey..Ill keep u responding to this thread
          until u die..Ill never let u go and I will keep u here forever u
          idiotic obot..I love it..Lets see if we can post 40,000 maybe 50,000 or
          100,000...Just think how it will look..People will have to scroll down
          forever just to get to the end of our fight..Of course they will see
          that i have won cause u will be dead by then...How cool!!...see ya in
          the morning u idiotic pos....hahahaa

      • jong

        Liar. In 1982 I do believe Pakistan was a very hard place to get into for various reasons that you need to research. Secondly Christians in Action kept a record of who was going in and out. It also helps when obama and or his family mentions it themselves. Really can not keep your lies straight . And you need to read the US Constitution.

      • HOFFHACK

        So I guess his own Grandmother lied when she said he was born in Kenya??? Pull your head out of that dark place you've been hiding it!!!

  • dicksi

    I'm not too concerned where Obama is from.....my concern is where he lives now!

  • Donald Greene

    In the words of the inimitable erstwhile Secretary of State and now 2016 presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton (boy! that's a mouthful), "What difference does it make?" We're saddled with this incompetent socialist (hmm..mm, lemme 'splain: he's an incompetent President, but a very competent socialist) for the next 3 years no matter what the location of the birth. I personally believe it was Kenya, but who knows? -- it may have been another galaxy.

    • toothii

      It really DOES make a difference, for all legislation signed by Obama would be technically null and void, much at the descretion of Congress...The ACA would not survive a re-vote now that the SHHTF! It would certainly be uncharted waters for us and our gov't but I feel confident that once again, our Constitution would help save us!

      • Donald Greene

        There was more than a bit of jest in my reference to Hillary's "What difference does it make?" query. But do you seriously believe that even if it were found that the guy was born outside the U.S. (of one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time), the SCOTUS would hold all actions by his administration to be null and void, technically or otherwise? Not likely, in the least, in my view. The best we (and I include you in the "we") can hope for is that come November 2016 we're rid of Obama as our President as a result of the Constitution's term limit for that office, and that Hillary (or any other Democrat who might win their nomination) is pronounced the loser that she (or whoever that nominee may be) is.

        • toothii

          I hope and pray u r right! This country can not take another libber progressive on 2016!

  • bobmead1960

    Why don't we organize an 'Egyptian' or 'Martin Luther' moment in DC and express peacefully our displeasure! Maybe have a campout like Occupy Wall Street.

    • livefreeordie

      They'd beat us senseless. We're terrorists, remember?

      • bobmead1960

        Sometimes to knock down tyranny some have to bleed. What did the blacks go through to get social equality (you know, using the same bathroom, eating in the same restaurant and not setting in the back of the bus). How racially STUPID!

    • HOFFHACK

      Nah!!! Let's all go to "Knob Creek" for some target practice!!!!! (:-) Happiness is a warm machine gun!!!!!!!!!!!

      • jong

        But, not a over heated one.

        • HOFFHACK

          Hmmm! Let's see how old you are Jong! What did Chestie Puller say when the water cooled brownings were over heating on Guadalcanal during a "Bonzai charge??"", and they had no water?????

        • jong

          I know how to barrel change both the .30 and the .50. I am not that old. I was referring to my M60 when I had to go for the old barrell change on a heated one. When I finally got my hands on a ceramic barrell no more problems.

  • Rich

    He was not born here. You know, the 57 states guy. . He came in from another dimension

    • livefreeordie

      Yes, he did say that. I think he got confused with the 57 ISLAMIC STATES, something he relates to much more than our country.

      • GeneP54

        And still they didn't put 2 and 2 together and come up with reason. Instead they dismissed it as 'an error' (REALLY?? every school child knows there are 50 states!!).
        Makes you wonder who the baffoons really are!

    • EdMallory

      Yes, it's called Hell.

    • asoro

      he was born in the 56th state I now I was there lol lol

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    Surprising that the other people on board didn't die with the target, Fuddy, who would have been a KEY player in congressional investigations (IF it ever happens) to expose the fraudulent document construction. Having that kind of threat to his reign, king zero would have easily had them erased and willing minions to carry out such wishes.

  • Dale Hogue

    Barry Soetoro and Barack Obama are the same person. He, under both of his names, was not a good student. His academic records would show that he made lower grades than average students of low ability make. And Barack (and Barry) was not an American citizen and is not now an American citizen. He has never been an American citizen. In fact, Obama is only an American citizen in the minds of the mainstream media and the leaders of the Democratic Party. And the last time I checked, they do not determine the legality of who is and who isn't an American citizen. Even the least curious member of the MSM should know that it is odd that Obama attended three colleges as a foreign student using money from scholarships setup for foreign students only. Of course, if they investigate the likelihood that Obama is a foreigner who was born in Kenya whose father was not an American citizen and he, later, after his real father's death, was adopted by a foreign father - Soetoro - from a foreign country which would further make Obama - now Barry Soetoro - a non-American citizen, then they would know enough to write this information in every story they write about this scam artist. I don't understand why Obama supporters can't get this through their heads. Jus' saying :-)

    • asoro

      if he was not born here, right he can not be a Citizen, because if he became one there would that record. so he is an illegal to start with, it's not like he became one and was trying to hide that, he never was one or became one in the first place. how can this happen in this country? Money, media cover ups, powerful people behind him, Soros for one.This whole thing stinks to high heaven, And this country is powerless to do anything, Hell they could not even get Holder for the F&F cover up, that he was covering for his boss in the first place. If you noticed when they where getting close and holder could not stall anymore Obama slap a executive order on it to stop it. OMG gezzz give me a break,even a 6yr old can see whats going on.the parts that scare me the most many of the things he does and the people that cover for him is the same way Hitler came to power........1933

      • Cliffystones

        Sad that all it took was an "executive order" from Odumbo. So much for showing a spine and sticking to your guns (re; Congress).

      • CARLjr

        George Romney was born in Mexico and ran for president.

        McCain was born in Panama and ran for president.

        • asoro

          No not sure about that,, they would of jumped all over that, And if they where born to Americans on a Base, or something that says it's American property than thats ok.

        • Keith Johnson

          George Romney was born to 2 American parents. McCain was born to American parents while his father, John S. McCain Jr, his father who became a 4 star admiral as his grandfather did as well, was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone. It was an American protectorate at the time.
          Pretty easy to contrast the "question" of their citizenship with that of Obama and anyone who uses Romney and McCain's birthplaces as an argument for Obama shows that they don't believe he is a citizen. Thanks for making our case, libs!

        • CARLjr

          George Romney was NOT born to 2 American parents. His grandfather relinquished their citizenship and fled to Mexico when the United States outlawed polygamy.

        • Keith Johnson

          His grandparents never formally relinquished their citizenship. Because his father was born to American parents, he was an American citizen. Because he was born in Mexico, he was eligible for Mexican citizenship but his parents chose American citizenship instead. Despite how loudly libs yell, the truth is always the truth.

        • CARLjr

          Then Gaskell must have pledged his oath to the United States at the consulate in Chihuahua.
          Just because your ancestors were American, doesn't make you one. How many generations would you let that go on? Gaskell and George were both born in Mexico.

        • Keith Johnson

          Actually, if your ancestors were American, that DOES make you American unless one of them takes steps to formally RENOUNCE American citizenship. So using your logic, there is then NO evidence that Obama is American and thus not eligible for the Presidency. Exactly!

        • CARLjr

          You are not using my logic. If your great, great, great, great, great grandfather was American but the last four generations all lived in Islamabad, are you still an American citizen and your children are eligible to run for President?

        • Keith Johnson

          If you can prove that they were American citizens AND that they have never RENOUNCED their citizenship then, yes, they are citizens and eligible. Your example, though, would be, for all practical purposes, impossible. However, if, for example, they had voted by absentee ballot.....

        • CARLjr

          So During the generations where the Romneys & their multiple wives lived in Mexico, they voted in the United States?

        • Keith Johnson

          Try not to think like a liberal. My example was one way that it could be proved that living abroad is not a disqualifying "condition".

        • CARLjr

          Another example of "It's ok when WE do it"

          There were specific laws relating to citizenship when Gaskell was born in 1905, he did not follow the procedures to retain his citizenship. Or at least I have seen no evidence that he went to the American consulate and pledged an oath to the United States.

    • JJM123

      All good points but - we do not know that his name is Barack Obama - only that he has used it for many years. For all we know he could have been born as Mohamed Obasanjo and shortly thereafter given his current name for use. With all the lies and concealed facts, why should we believe any portion of his 'claimed' biography?

  • CaMaven

    For about the last year, there have been sensational announcements suggesting that there is earthshaking new evidence in "the case," revealing .... absolutely nothing. Ever since Gallups has been involved in this with his flaky program of hype, the public has been told NOTHING. I suggest that they just STFU and do their jobs until they have something of substance to report. Remember the fable about the boy who cried "wolf?"

    There is way more than enough evidence already to warrant the arrest, imprisonment, trial, conviction and punishment of the Marxist usurper in the White House. Officials need to act before the people get REALLY angry and do it in a cruder fashion, remembering those who have impeded action for 5-6 years.

    • poowg

      I'm with you on this one. This whole Arpaio investigation and its attendant persecution of the good sheriff has taken on the flavor of sensationalism and fund raising. I have stopped contributing to whatever it is they are doing, pending an announcement of substance.

    • CARLjr

      It has not been enough evidence in the hundreds of trials that have challenged his eligibility.
      No one is even listening anymore. You can stop. The only news outlet that even carried the story of the universe shattering revelations was WND (the ones who sell the books about the conspiracy). Even FoxNews only mentioned the plane crash, without mentioning potential new revelations.

      • CaMaven

        Wrong. Plenty of evidence, You forgot that I have monitored the cases, read some of the court papers, watched some court videos even went to some hearings. Disgraceful conduct.

        If you did that, you would know too, but it looks like you're just parroting talking points. I don't care what you think and am writing this for other readers and only interested in educating more people, You're a lost cause. I have other projects, but you seemingly have nothing else to do,.

  • TAM44

    obama came from Kenya to America which he really does despise
    he's got the idiots fooled because they believe all his lies
    The true American citizen they cannot be torn down by this evil boy
    when barack hussein obama takes his final breath America will be something we can enjoy

  • Independent Voter

    I despise the man and HATE what he and his regime, bolstered by the Pro Islam, Pro Communist media, are doing to destroy the country my father fought for in WWII. Unless Congress steps up to the plate on the multitude of fraud, lies, obstruction of justice and yes, treason, there WILL BE a rebellion, and many will die. The blood is on the hands of the regime and those who support them.

  • retiredbobinFla.

    As with the Clinton crew----------Mike Zullo-------------be careful, very careful, these Obama liberal DAMBocrats are a dangerous bunch of thugs!

  • Bay0Wulf

    REPOST of My Comment from Earlier ... Apologies if you have read it before.

    I really do hope that Obama gets what is coming to him due to the FRAUD perpetrated on the US Citizenry and it is done in such a manner as to enable us to legally roll back much of the damage he has done and is doing.

    Further ... consider this ... the reports are that Fuddy "never made it out of the plane" BUT then there is THIS:

    ABC News reported several hours later the following account (a 1st person, eyewitness account involving actual physical contact):

    “In the final moments of her life, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy after a small plane taking them back to Honolulu crashed in the ocean off the island of
    Molokai.

    “In the water, Fuddy held hands with deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.”

    “He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the priest said. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”

    EVEN THOUGH "Initial Reports" Indicate SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT;

    "Initial news reports also stated that Ms. Fuddy failed to escape the
    passenger compartment of the plane, which would support the first and
    perhaps the most credible eyewitness account, as it came from a trained
    pilot circling the crash site. An initial statement by the Maui Fire
    Department also supports the report that Ms. Fuddy never made it out of
    the plane."

    SO ... was Yamamoto just HALLUCINATING?

    • CaMaven

      Maybe Yamamoto pushed her under, as she could be an inconvenience if ever grilled on a witness stand.

  • GetAJobAlready

    This article basically said nothing new

  • Coffee49

    No politician will dare push impeachment on a fraudulent birth certificate deal, it will be up to the civilians to take care of this mess and it will happen before 2016, not if, but when a prominent tea party leader is found dead is when it will begin.

  • http://lenbilen.com/ Lennart Bilén

    The selfie was taken by the Danish Social Democrat Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt

    Here are 8 photos and my commentary: http://lenbilen.com/2013/12/11/funeral-selfie-obama-cameron-and-helle-thorning-schmidt-are-having-a-good-time-during-the-sermon-part-of-the-funeral-service/

  • metheoldsarge

    Now the birth certificate pops up again. Just another item to add to the list of this years pipe dreams. The only thing that will happen is that it will, most likely, fizzle out. If I was given a penny for every time I heard about something that was sure to get the President in hot water, I would be a billionaire by now. The history books may refer to this as “The Year of The Pipe Dreams.” Just a quick review of the pipe dreams we have been reading and hearing about. According to Huckabee, Obama could be forced to resign from office over Benghazi. That didn't happen. We also heard talk that the use of drones to launch hellfire missiles on a funeral procession in June, 2009 could become a major problem for the President. That fizzed out. Congressman Tom Price from Georgia wanted to introduce a bill that would strip the IRS of any power connected with Obamacare. What happened with that? Nothing! The House voted to repeal Obamacare. Again nothing. Even Palin jumped on the band wagon. Then came aiding and abetting the enemy. Dead in the water. Next came the CR. Twenty-five RINOs voted against that. Next came the Vitter Amendment. Down in flaims. Just another way for a few RINO and Democrat Senators, up for re-election in 2014, to make some well needed brownie points with voters. Impeachment, the mother of all pipe dreams, isn't going to happen. The RINOs in the House haven't got the nerve to start proceedings. Even if they did, it would never get past the Democrat controlled Senate. Even if the Republicans keep control of the House and take over the Senate in the 2014 mid term election, they will be afraid to do it. It would spark an uprising on a national scale that would make the Detroit and LA riots of the 1960s look like a Sunday picnic. We are stuck with him until 2016. If he can manage to get the Twenty Second Amendment repealed we may have him even longer. Seeing is believing. I will believe it if and when I see him being escorted from the White house for the last time. Preferably in handcuffs. Don't hold your breath people. Needless to say, I am not optimistic at all about this. In my opinion the voters had a chance to remove him from the White House last November and blew it big time. “You have a Republic if you can keep it.” Benjamin Franklin.

    • GeneP54

      Very good...and the list goes on and on. All we have is hope and once we give up that, all is lost. It may not come about in the time we wish or the way we wish, but in time, the truth will be known.
      If pipe dreams are all we have, then let's hold on to them as long as we can. No dreams, no reality.

      • pistofftxpyr

        Omitted.

    • The Watson

      President Obama is Americas first dictator (supreme Leader) and will be for life. The Republic was lost starting in 1933, finish in 2012.

  • toothii

    The more likely fraud here is Obama's lying on his student applications for scholarships or other forms of aid... he is probably a US citizen, but I feel his college records have been sealed because he applied for said scholarships/aid as a foreign student. Keep in mind that the colleges involved are bastions of liberal thinking and would be obliged to help Obama keep his deep dark secrets. They, of course, probably received copious amounts of financial donations as a payoff.

    • MARYANN33

      Get the blackish putz in jail for all the reasons given...

    • CaMaven

      U.S. Citizen does not equal natural born Citizen. NOT eligible.

  • gonzo731

    Who is Obama running against in 2016? What do you even expect to happen?

    I used to be a Republican, but shenanigans like this make me embarrassed that I ever associated with this suicide pact. Please stop it! We have lots of things that need to be fixed, and this is just making things worse! (And, peanut gallery, the things that need to be fixed are long before Obama, so don't be a partisan ass and blame him for those things.)
    I understand that the lot of you are bitter, resentful people (as are most consipracy theorists), but engaging in this kind of talk is just going to make things worse. You will continually lose votes until the only remembrance of the Republican Party was a group of nutjobs who wanted to impose Christian Sharia law (yes, I know Sharia is Muslim, but when you try to cram Christianity down the throats of everyone else, you are no better than your perceptions of Muslims. I say this as a Christian too.)

    I'm sure I'll just summarily dismissed as a liberal or socialist or atheist (though I just said I wasn't) or stupid or something else without any consideration how unChristian that is or an acknowledgement of the circle jerk you all have created here.

    • MoDeVille

      Gonzo. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid you dope.

      • gonzo731

        Thankfully I already covered people like you in my last sentence. Unfortunately, I can think for myself. You might want to try it sometime, Mr. MoDeVille.

    • GeneP54

      How hard is it to show a birth certificate and college records? The only reason someone would try to hide something is if they have something to hide. You can name call, trash talk all you want, but I don't think the truth is too much to ask. It has nothing to do with religion or political parties and everything to do with our country.
      You don't seem very Christian to me. You sound judgemental and bitter, yourself. No one is shoving anything down anyone's throat. We are a nation built on Christian principles and morals and those are being destroyed daily...by people who are pacifists such as yourself, many who, like yourself, call yourselves Christian. It's no wonder we have a bad name.
      Back up, jack, and understand all we want is the truth. If there are no lies, it shouldn't be that difficult.

      • CARLjr

        He did show his birth certificate. He is not obligated to show college records.
        Why didn't Romney release 10 years of tax returns?

        • GeneP54

          Romney did. And no, the REAL birth cert. was never shown, only a 'cert. of live birth' that has been proven to be false. You don't see the truth because you don't want to. It doesn't keep it from being true.

        • CARLjr

          Romney only released two.
          The two birth certificates (long and short) have been validated.

        • CaMaven

          Sorry, obot, but they are PROVEN forgeries. Also the draft registration, stolen Social Security numbers, E-Verify fail, his bio saying he was Kenyan-born,etc., etc.

        • CARLjr

          Proven by Zullo & Corzi? The guys who make money off of this conspiracy? How about in a court of law? So far the score is 218 losses and no wins in court. I'm afraid it has not been PROVEN.

        • ltneid

          You mean stuff downloaded of the Internet isn't good evidence? I never would have thunk it.

        • CARLjr

          Farah & Corsi need to recoup the money lost in the lawsuit with Esquire. They were really counting on that $200 million dollars.

          http://www.examiner.com/article/court-rules-wnd-s-birth-certificate-defamation-lawsuit-against-esquire

        • CaMaven

          Mr Hamburger: dozens of document specialists have proven it a forgery, including a certified forensic document expert who works for the law firm which defended Obama from eligibility suits. He signed a 40 page affidavit to that effect which will survive him, in the event of another "accident," such as the one which dispatched Ms. Fuddy last week.

        • CARLjr

          The "specialists" that WND hired have not proven forgery. Their evidence has been debunked. It's pretty easy to debunk. Off the shelf scanner, with off the shelf software scan of a document like this with a security background, typewritten text, and handwriting. You can do it yourself and see exactly what these specialists cite as evidence of forgery.

        • CaMaven

          Please provide any proof that WND hired: Reed Hayes (Perkins Coie forensic document expert) Doug Vogt, Paul Irey, Mara Zebest or any of the people of the Cold Case Posse, with the possible exception of Corsi, who had a prior relationship with WND.

          It is a slam-dunk proven forgery. There is NO doubt. At least 20 factors. It's not even a good job of forgery.

        • CARLjr

          It looks identical to any other birth certificate scanned at the time with the same hardware. These 20 factors will show up on every single one of them.

        • CaMaven

          No, definitely not. This has been proven. Where's the proof that all these guys are working for wnd? I know first hand that wnd are cheap @#()%!'s.

        • CaMaven

          You can repeat your nonsense until you're blue in the face, but it is STILL just that - nonsense. I would love to see a head to head debate session, with exhibits. 3 of your guys and 3 of ours. We'd do it with guaranteed MSM gavel to gavel coverage, televised live.

        • CaMaven

          Yes, you can make a forgery like the WH faux birth certificate. Cold Case Posse experts and others have already proven that. Thanks for helping make my point. Anyone with smarts and doc experience can prove it is a fabricated document quickly, although some of the additional fine points required more expertise.

        • CARLjr

          idiot.

          The nature of scanning a document like this with off the shelf equipment means scans have these kinds of anomalies. EVERY document would appear as a forgery. Have you ever seen them show a "valid" birth certificate in comparison as a control? Because none of them would pass their test. They are really proving how good of a job scanning technology was in 2008.

        • CaMaven

          Carl: Please stop further embarrassing yourself and examine the multiple affidavits, videos, etc. made by Doug Voght, Paul Irey,Mara Zebest, Reed Hayes, Mike Zullo, etc., etc. There are at least 20 issue areas with the BC, most having nothng to do with the scanning process- such as kerning, fonts, data, etc. Readers, time to free yourself, if you haven't already, from obot shackes and partake of the evidence. Google the names I have provided, along with the words "Obama birth certificate" added. Unless you are asleep or a total ideologue, you will quickly see that this is the biggest political scandal in history. You have only to seek the truth.

        • CARLjr

          Because none of these include a "valid" certificate in comparison how can you identify what an "issue area" is?

        • CaMaven

          1. Some analyses such as the Cold Case Posse tests, have included actual valid certificates in addition to the Obama forgery.

          2. Some don't need comparsions, such as kerned text before typewriters had kerning, forged seals, etc.

          You might try actually reading the many analyses, then thinking before typing.

        • CARLjr

          Show me what a GOOD/VALID certificate looks like and how it compares to a BAD/FORGED certificate. If I don't know what a good one looks like, I can't evaluate what errors are in the bad one.

        • CaMaven

          Ah, you've just proven that you haven't actually studied the Cold Case Posse records and are just parroting obot talking points.

          Hint: good ones from 1961 are in date sequence, aren't made with three different typewriters, aren't cut and pasted, aren't digitally constructed, don't have kerned letters and forged seals. Read the damned evidence.

        • CARLjr

          Can you post me a link to the info I am looking for? There is too much to sift through and it is poorly organized. Is there a version of a birth certificate they consider valid?

        • CaMaven

          Yeah, Google the Nordyke twins' birth certificates for openers. I don't want to give you a specific link, so I'm not accused of sending you to biased info. There are lots of files of them out there.

        • DogWithoutSlippers

          Laughable!~

        • ltneid

          They aren't proven forgeries. No one, to my knowledge, has ever examined the original of either and deemed it a forgery. Calling a JPEG downloaded off the Internet a forgery would just get someone laughed off of the witness stand.

        • CaMaven

          Thanks for helping to prove my point. You see, Obama has not provided a
          shred of valid. legal evidence that he is eligible, when challenged.

          Look at the circumstances. Yes, AKA Obama has refused to make a certified hard copy birth certificate available for vetting, HI has refused to open its vault for vetting, illegally, may I add.

          A digital image purporting to be his long-form Certificate of Live Birth has been posted on the White House web site. It is proven that it is a digitally fabricated document- a forgery. Dozens of document specialists agree, including an expert witness who works for Obama's own law firm. An official investigation confirms that.

        • ltneid

          The original BC was examined by several people at the time of the release. Two officials of the state of Hawaii certified it. Jesus was unavailable at the time to put his imprimatur on it, but I doubt that would satisfy you, either.

        • CaMaven

          You don't know who examined it- certainly no objective, knowledgeable parties who would talk about it. If Jesus told me it was good, then I saw and heard what I have, I would have to doubt my faith. But, this has not occurred. Instead, we only have the words of ideologues-- and Fuddy was an ideologue- conveniently killed last week. And now we have proof that the WH digital doc. is forged, as is the draft registration and that the SSN's aren't really his. The HI officials have been exposed as liars and STILL you prattle on?

        • gonzo731

          It's almost like his birth certificate needed to come down from the mountain with Moses and the 10 commandments... and even then, it wouldn't be enough

        • gonzo731

          Then it shouldn't be too hard to provide the proof then, eh?

        • CaMaven

          Already proven. You can easily google cold case posse videos, CC Posse report, Zullo Affidavit, Reed Haye's affidavit, Doug Vogt FBI complaint, Mara Zebest, Paul Irey and many others, forged Obama Selective Service Application, Britsih archives Obama birth in British Protectorate of East Africa 8/4/61, Sankey, and other research on Obama SSN's 042-68-4425, etc., E-Verify fail and soooo much more- LOL!

    • azbear166

      odummer was involved in getting out people killed in Benghazi and obummer and holder were the ones involved in Fast & ferious and obummer has tried to take God from our country you should check your self as your the pivot man in obummers circle jerk!! Obummer has done nothing to help the USA and has done everything to distroy it and it's people like you that are helping him!!!!! Now were getting even mor screwed by obummercare paying for illegal's to get med help and allowing them to stay in our country with out going through legal chanels like our for fathers did!!!!!!!

      • gonzo731

        Why does Benghazi matter? You aren't concerned with the truth. You are politicizing the death of people, and it needs to stop. You can keep doing all this BS you want to, but I'm young. I have a lot of voting time left in me, and if you are as old as I think you are, you don't. I refuse to vote for a party that accepts the BS you just spouted.

        Obama, not Obummer you prick, has done more for this country than slack jawed yokels such as yourself. If you can't show an ounce of respect, you don't deserve any either.

        • azbear166

          nether you or obummer deserve respect for ruining our country obummer has done nothing to help our country except let the fags and muslims have there way and the freaks that want every thing for nothing you should do some time in the military maybe they can teach you right from wrong!!!!!

        • gonzo731

          Just keep alienating yourself from modern, civilized society.

          I'm pretty sure I know more about right from wrong than you do. I know what empathy is.

        • azbear166

          your not worth my time!!!!!!!!

        • gonzo731

          It's hard when your bubble gets popped.

        • John H. Kohlenberg

          gonzo, you sound just like one of those 1960 druggie hippies grown up.

        • CARLjr

          Didn't you hear, four people died while they were serving in the Middle East.

        • gonzo731

          It's a shame that if you ask how many embassies were attacked during the Bush years, it's all, "but but but Bush" in a mocking manner...

        • azbear166

          he's an obomight & wouldn't care anyway!!!!

        • Tommy Tunez

          CARLjr, do not waste your time trying to communicate with this "gonzo731". "gonzo731" is a Libtard trolling this site trying to pass himself off as a conservative. Don't give him the time of day and he will ultimately take his ADHD meds and go play X-Box.

        • CARLjr

          Look, Tommy - I'm on his side. Going on about these four casualties is dishonoring the hundreds of soldiers that have died since then. Why is no one standing up for them? Why are these four so much more important than the four soldiers killed in Afghanistan on Friday?

        • gonzo731

          Thank you!

        • gonzo731

          Did you even read my original post? I'm sick of how the people of this site are ruining this country and pleading for sanity.

        • Tommy Tunez

          gonzo731, you are a Libtard puke trolling this site making it look like you are something of a conservative or a libertarian. You have been expose now take you meds and your lunch that mommy made for you and go back to your room in the basement.

        • gonzo731

          Obviously you're lacking on the reading comprehension part. The fifth time through 7th grade must have been rough for someone like you.

        • DogWithoutSlippers

          Another typical response by an Obamabot.

        • gonzo731

          That's just an intelligent response! Did you work all night on it?

        • CaMaven

          If you don't know why Benghazi mattered, obot, you have no business being on this thread or even being an American Citizen. Lax security, lying to the American public, laying blame where it wasn't warranted, subverting our foreign policy, leaving Americans to die when something could have been done, probably gun/missile running, too. Maybe some people there were upset that a gun running, flagrantly gay man was appointed as our Ambassador to Libya and that we were running an operation right in their country. Didn't you know what he did BEFORE he became ambassador? They don't cotton to that in that part of the world.

        • gonzo731

          First off, I have a name, idiot. Stop assuming people are "obot"s because they have a functioning brain, which you clearly don't.

          Now, idiot, provide some proof for any of your claims. You aren't even interested in the truth about Benghazi because everything is so muddled with retards like yourself getting in the way of the investigation. Oh, I'm sorry, just the people who fleece you out of your money to get re-elected are getting in the way of the election.

          Hate is a pretty strong drug. I hope you get help soon.

        • CaMaven

          Oh, you have a "name?" Is it Gonzo731? LOL! As soon as you start with your epithets, it is obvious that you have already lost the argument. The Bengahzi evidence has already been laid out for all to see- at least enough to see that it is a massive scandal, which goes right to the illegitimate Obama administration.

          If you are just reading administration press releases passed along by the complicit media, I admit it would be difficult for you to see that. I have studied all sides and undertand that security was deliberately lax, illegal activities were performed (is gun running legal yet?), lies told about what they were doing there, that they failed to help out the heroes and victims of Bengahzi when they could have, that "Obama" left the situation room and did who knows what with who knows who- allegedly boyfriend Reggy Love who said he was playing cards with the usurper, then Obama flew out to still another fund raiser the next morning. Disgraceful.

        • gonzo731

          Um, who exactly started the insults? It certainly wasn't me. And by your definition, you lost.

          And you haven't studied jack sh!t outside these idiotic sites. Please stop lying to yourself.

        • CaMaven

          As usual, you are wrong "Gonzo." I have independently studied applicable law, been advised by several national experts, hired an attorney, filed 5 cases of my own or as co-plaintiff, contributed to sites focusing on it, funded some legal activity, attended court hearings, read transcipts and reports, watched court videos, monitored correspondence, etc. I spend a hell of a lot less time on these sites than say, "Ellen" and other obots who seem omnipresent. I have other projects and interests.

        • gonzo731

          Right, okay, and I'm the King of England. Go ahead and call us obots. You are just a conservitard. Actually, that's insulting to those who have mental handicaps.

          You wasted all that money. What did you get? You just pretend to be an internet tough guy because you are surrounded by other jokels who believe the same tripe you do.

        • CaMaven

          I might believe you if you said you were a "queen." I fully realize that Obama is a proven fraud and have the evidence to prove it. You are either too stupid or too ideological to believe that. The country has been avoiding confronting the issue, as Justice Thomas has mentioned. We will continue to present our growing list of evidence. We see that Obama has alienated almost everyone in sight, but has now made the fatal mistake of alienating his masters. Pretty much the same thing they did to Hillary will now be done to him. We may be a convenient tool for them to hasten Obama's demise.

        • gonzo731

          Might want to think about adjusting your medication, eh?

        • CaMaven

          Once again, you have no coherent response, since your position is really indefensible.

        • gonzo731

          I'm sorry my tin foil hat isn't so tight anymore.

          You know, you really don't have the defensible position here. Obama was legitimately elected and re-elected. No sane person will claim otherwise.

          I hoped there could be some reason in this circle jerk, but obviously I was mistaken. You see, there are people like me, young, educated and technologically savvy. They see this BS and immediately turn away from those spouting it. I want to live in a functioning country. One that has at least two nationally viable parties. You guys are destroying the GOP.

          Of course, I should have known not to argue with crazy. I really do find the help you need away from this farce, but I suspect you are too enamored of the hate filled drivel. You are being fleeced and don't care because someone you don't like was elected. Tough. Grow up. Stop acting like a petulant child.

        • CARLjr

          Gonzo, don't be so hard on caveman. Years of propaganda and fear based sound bites have given a Pavlovian response to any stimulus.

        • CaMaven

          Gonzo, Gonzo- still a day late and a dollar short, you are. I feel sorry for you, actually. If you "want to live in a functioning country," as you say you do, you're betting on the wrong horse. Not that the Republicans are much better, though.

          We have the only defensible position actualy. Folowing the Constitution and the law. You don't know the law. You believe, for example, that a majority trumps the Constitution, You don't even know what a constitutional republic is or how it's supposed to work. 50 million Frenchmen can be wrong,. 66 million Americans were wrong. I'm informed that some of the 66 million were fraudulent votes.

          By the way, I'm not "GOP."

          ... and please explain in your young, educated and technically savvy way why presenting valid evidence and facts constitutes "hate" (you're following Alinsky faithfully, lad). I'm grown up. You don't even sound like you're out of diapers.

          In a future installment, I'll tell you why Obama isn't fit to serve as President even if he was eligible, I fear that when he is gone, some other statist fascist of either big, corrupt "party" will be installed.

        • gonzo731

          You haven't presented any valid evidence, so there's that against you already.

        • CaMaven

          I've already given you references to valid evidence. If you're as educated and technologically savvy as you claim to be, you should have zero problems accessing and assimilating it. But, somehow, you have not.

          If you're too lazy or ideologically blinded, that's your problem. I don't care about you anyway. You're beyond help. You failed the test when you showed that you still don't know what the Cold Case Posse reports and Article II PAC pages say and mean.

          If you want to be a successful obot, you need to learn both sides. You failed.

          Everything I write here is for the benefit of others who may be willing to learn.

        • CaMaven

          Maybe you're afraid you'll end up like Reed Hayes?

        • gonzo731

          The Cold Case Posse is made up of nut jobs. Your other article was just a way to extract money from gullible tools such as yourself.

          There's a very good reason the rest of the country doesn't believe in the nutters that you do...

        • CaMaven

          Again, you're whistling in the dark and have not a clue of what you are talking about (again) since the Posse membership list is unpublished. I have met several and they are all smarter and saner than you are.

          In any case, most of their input came from outside of the posse, but was tested, verified and augmented by them.

          Actually, a large portion of the country now believes it, but most think that corrupt politicians won't act on it., Google Justice Thomas on that.

        • gonzo731

          Right, okay. You guys keep tilting at your windmills. I'll keep laughing at you to your face for the tools you are. It's my fault for trying to get you to actually act like a grownup, but it's pretty evident you are not.

          You are in a minority. People do not believe the crock of sh!t you believe in.

        • CaMaven

          You are an America-hating fool and are helping to destroy a great country, You will be rather astonished at what happens in the next couple of years. Check back with me then, if you're still around.

          You're the one in arrested development.

        • gonzo731

          Maybe, but I can get quotes right

        • CaMaven

          I've seen it literally hundreds of times, even earlier when I googled it and found scads of occurrences. I would hardly take snopes word for it, though., it's possible it is false, sorta like "Barack Obama is eligible for the presidency," when he clearly has no valid legal proof of that.

        • gonzo731

          Obviously you read the snopes piece so would obviously know it originated from a Mark Steyn op-ed (conveniently linked to by snopes) where he informed the reader (not you, apparently) the origins of that quote.

          You really expect me to believe the rest of what you said? You can't even get a quote right.

          Now, sure, I'll be willing to be proven wrong, but you know what you need to do? Find me a video or audio of Obama saying it. That's it. If there are "scads of occurrences" it shouldn't be too hard to find.

          Don't bother responding until you do.

        • CaMaven

          Well I've shot down more than one of your B.S. things, so I'm still ahead.

          There are scads of of occurrences, but I wasn't able to find a hard source for that one. I definitely have hard sources for the B/C and other doc stuff. Hopefully you'll absorb them and shortly report for duty on our side if you are really as smart as you say you are :-). Reed Hayes did. Sheriff Mack did. Even Mike Zullo claimed to be a skeptic initially. I was in 2008.

        • gonzo731

          Dude, you are a liar. You cannot find the source for an easy claim. Why should anyone with a brain listen to the rest of what you have to say?

          The Cold Case Nutjobs have been saying all this BS for years. Idiots like you lap it up. No one, outside a few individuals, takes them seriously. And why should they? You and the idiots that you support are factually challenged.

          The thing is, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You haven't provide anything resembling extraordinary evidence

        • gonzo731

          Nor is the Constitution a suicide pact.

        • CaMaven

          You're right, it's not. It's a rational way to run the greatest and freest country ever. But as Obama said, "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Hussein Obama II BRILLIANT. No wonder he got a Nobel prize in his first few seconds in office.

          ... And the idiots clapped and cheered. Were you one of them?

          Gonzo, the real suicide pact is ignoring the Constitution, Your radical beliefs keep showing.

        • gonzo731

          Radical? Dude, who listens to the bigoted nutjob who started this whole fleecing of gullible people? You are a minority. You need to get over the fact your ideas lost and come up with solutions to make this place better, or at the very least vote for those who will.

        • CaMaven

          If you think that the Constitution is a suicide pact, you're the radical, not me. If it was followed, we wouldn't even be debating this subject. Insead, obots like you are shuckin' & jivin' all over the map.

          You're so ignorant, you don't even know who started this whole thing. Democrats. Yes, DEMOCRATS. First there were Democrats Hillary Clinton and Attorney Phillip Berg. Democrat Presidential candidate Cody Robert Judy also started early and still hasn't stopped. Are these the "bigoted nutjobs" you're referring to, or do only people politically opposed to your Commie worldview qualify as wingnuts?

          Later, Republicans Orly Taitz and Mario Apuzzo got in. So did Leo Donofrio and many others.

        • gonzo731

          First off, do you know what "nor" does? It negates. I could have easily written "the Constitution is not a suicide pact." Do you know what I'm implying? That you and your idiotic band of tools is making it so.

          The bigoted nutjob I am referring to is Sheriff Joe, the idiot who started the Cold Case Posse. Now, I wasn't clear, so mea culpa on my part.

          For the record, just because Hillary Clinton did something doesn't make it right. She and her supporters learned from that lesson. Something maybe you should do as well.

          Also, for the record, I'm not a communist or a socialist, but I doubt you could even tell what one is if it came up and took all your money. I don't call you a Nazi, do I?

        • CaMaven

          I know exactly what it means, clueless one. I used your words to make my point, By agreeing with you, I emphasized that it isn't a suicide pact, but a great way to run a country. In fact, at one time we were the greatest country ever. We've been going downhill for awhile, but your hero helped put that trend in warp speed.

          If you knew anything, you would also know that Joe isn't on the Cold Case Posse. I have met Joe and talked at length. He makes you look like an idiot in comparison. He is very calm, collected, rational, patriotic, in a way you could not possibly match or even comprehend. A little overzealous, maybe.

          I would hardly hold Miz Hillary up as a paragon of virtue or a role model. Evidently, you don't know much about her either, except press releases and media hype.

          You don't know what a NAZI is, either, do you? Try National Socialist, you brainwashed obot. You are far more similar to that than I am. One thing for sure though, I do recognize them and they are trying to take our money and make sure we can't earn much more. What are they expecting to redistribute then, or will we all be "leveled" by then? You say you're not a Socialist. Is Obama one?

        • gonzo731

          Nope, he's not. But you'll say he is because he is to you. Up is down, left is right, white is black.

          Sheriff Joe may be intelligent. He's obviously intelligent enough to get fools like you to believe him.

        • CaMaven

          Actually, you have it backwards. It was many of us who went him to start the posse. But, whatever. You'll believe whatever B.S. your handlers feed you.

          Re: Obama= Socialist. He is and I think you know it. Certain aspects are even Marxist. This article goes easy on him and still brands him a Socialist:

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/05/27/is-it-within-bounds-to-ask-is-obama-a-socialist/

          Now that the election is past, he's dropped most pretenses that he isn't.

        • gonzo731

          Right, okay. All of the socialist parties in America said he isn't one, yet you, in your infinite wisdom, call him one. He's at best center right globally, and yet, he's a socialist.

          Puh-leeze

        • CaMaven

          "Center right?" LOL! Your meter is way out of calibration, The Forbes article says it well.

          But, you must be right, After all, he himself recently said "I'm not a particularly ideological person" to peals of laughter from many who know better.

          He also said you can keep your health plan and you can keep your guns, the latter an especially magnanimous gesture from a man who previously said the Second Amendment doesn't allow that, diametrically opposed to SCOTUS' take on the matter and a few hundred years of law and tradition.

          So, he's not only ineligible, he's also a dangerous ideologue, with many impeachable offenses under his belt.

        • gonzo731

          I bet you have never left the country

        • CaMaven

          Wrong again you little fool. I was an international consultant and have travelled extensively to numerous countries and also to 46 of the 57 states :-). (it was your hero who first brought to my attention that there were more than 50). Twice I had to have pages added to my passport book.

        • gonzo731

          I'm still the King of England. See, i can nake up stuff too.

          Just because you say something doesn't mean it's based in something called reality. You already can't quote right, so why should I think you are truthful about anything else? Come on, dude. You are a liar.

          Get over the fact your ideas lost two presidential elections.

        • CaMaven

          You made numerous errors which I corrected. I might have made one. People like you who live in a glass house should not throw stones. You lied or parroted lies incessantly on this thread for the last few days. You are enabling a liar, a fraud and a menace to the USA.

        • gonzo731

          No, I haven't. You bozos are hoping for something that won't happen because Obama is a natural born citizen. You morons politicize the death of an actual human being for no reason whatsoever. You idiots won't accept that you lost in 2008 and again last year. You have no evidence or it would have come out a long time ago. Sheriff Joe and the other birthers are frauds, and that is clear if you had half a brain.

          You will forever remain in the dustbin of history with your lies, drivel, and hate. This country would be better off without bozos like you.

          You lost. You get nothing. Good day, sir

        • CaMaven

          Yes, you did err or lie- numerous times. I called you on many of them and you were found wanting. . Go back and read it, as others have. Natural born Citizens don't have foreign fathers. Natural born Citizens have actual birth certificates, draft registrations and their own Social Security numbers. We have already provided evidence that Obama has produced NONE of these.

          As far as "hate": it's not hate to point out facts and try to save the country from this menace. You must hate the USA and its people since you are pushing dangerous lies, evidently full time, hater.

          You're also not too bright. For example, it was stupid of you to say that I was never out of the country, when I was a top mileage guy with SwissAir, USAir and United. I've traveled enough that I can really appreciate our country, even with its drawbacks and don't want to see it ruined by dime store Marxists like Obama and weak enablers like you. In a way, you're actually hurting yourself here, but are probably unaware of it. No, we were not able to stop the corruption that washed in Obama with the tide, but at least we're informing people about it. Fewer and fewer are believing your lies.

        • gonzo731

          Do you not get that I don't believe you? You say you travel on all of these airlines, but at the end of the day, you are just a bozo behind a keyboard.

          Now, do you understand that every legitimate source says Obama was born I'm America? Do you understand that you can still be a natural born citizen with only one citizen parent? For being as educated say you are, you obviously haven't read any sort of law, where it is clearly laid out. The other things are merely coincidences that have been explained away but your lizard brain can't handle Obama as president.

          Now, dude, as of 2011 less than 15% of Americans believed this bile you are so fond of. Are you a troll? Because you sure are stupid. Stop drinking the look aid, get back on your meds, and stop living a life of delusion where you have gone further than the corner gas station to pick up done snuff. Or just leave the country. You do not deserve to call yourself an American you traitor.

        • CaMaven

          You're pathetic Gonzo. Just the fact that you obots are here fighting frantically tells us all we need to know. You're scared. Obama's gasbag is pierced and he's losing altitude rapidly. He has made many enemies, done a lot of damage to our country and people are gonna get hurt. Obama will be moved out, whether by resignation, impeachment, ineligibility, a well-placed bullet or poison, or just losing so much support that he won't be able to do a darned thing. Our folks are only going for the legal remedies because we don't want to make a criminal into a martyr.

          I couldn't care less whether you believe me. I write for the real people, not slimy obot trolls. I spent over a quarter of a century on the road as a consultant. Saw a lot, learned a lot,worked my butt off, made very good money, now I'm done. It's a tough, lonely way to make a living. You're the keyboard hacker, punk. I can barely type. Always had people to do most of that for me.

          I have researched the legal and documentation issues.You are supporting a liar and a dangerous criminal. More and more people are belatedly waking up to that sad fact. Some powerful people wanted him in there as their tool to carry out their agenda. Now he has pissed them off, but that's only a minor hiccup in their plan. They'll do to him what they did to Hillary in 2008- Suddenly less support, money, favorable coverage will come his way. He won't be able to survive it- politically or emotionally. They chose a very vulnerable tool for good reasons.

        • gonzo731

          I am on this ridiculous site because it spammed me, and I wanted to have some fun trolling idiots like yourself.

          Too bad the people you write for are still slack jawed yokels. Your motto could be "For slack jawed yokels by a slack jawed yokel.

          You haven't researched poo, or if you have, your research abilities are suspect at best. Why should anyone believe you when everyone else, including those who are on your side, believe birtherism is a loon?

          I wish you could look at this rationally. Over 50 years ago, an 18ish year old woman would fly to Kenya to give birth when there are perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii. The state of Hawaii and Honolulu newspapers conspire to suppress the truth, and without knowing the future, publish a birth announcement. It keeps going, and the sad thing is you won't accept any other evidence than what you already believe. You aren't even the slightest bit cognizant of how loony you are. Please, get some help. It's not healthy to have these conspiracy theories and your blind hatred of someone you probably have never met.

        • CaMaven

          Gonzi boy: You're so arrogant that you wouldn't recognize the truth if it walked up to you and hit you with a 2 x4. The best you can do is parrot obot nonsense, make ad hominem arguments and spew pejoratives. You indict yourself in this fashion, making my work easier- thank you.

          I don't know where Obama was born, but have seen abundant evidence that he hasn't produced a shred of legal proof to support eligibility, There is anecdotal evidence that he was born in Kenya, some that he's from Hawaii, but he obviously has something huge to hide. Maybe he's foreign born, maybe Daddy is someone far more toxic than Barack Senior. But this ridiculous, expensive game has gone on so long at so much expense that even you should be able to figure out that something isn't Kosher. In Obama's case, it definitely isn't Kosher :-).

          I guess it never occurs to America-haters like you that someone might actually want to see that he secured the benefits of at least the appearance of Citizenship in the greatest country in the world. That's obvious to natural born patriots like me, but a mystery to folks like you.

          You DO know that a relative could just do a fraudulent affidavit and get a short form "Certification," right? No govt. "conspiracy" required for that. All Obama has to do is produce a certified hard copy Certificate of Live Birth that can pass vetting. Why hasn't he done such a simple thing? I think we both know the answer to that. Instead, he has lawyers, slimy obots, thugs & spinmeisters working 24/7 to spin and threaten his way out of it. Of course then there is the small problem with the foreign father.

          Unlike you, I have actually researched the law, with the help of professionals. Short synopsis of the legalities here: http://art2superpac.com/issues.html. If it was such a slam dunk, why have there been 7 recent attempts to change natural born Citizen requirements for the presidency? If it was such a slam dunk, why have the Obama forces done everything from doctoring Justia.com to thuggery to influence this?

          Again, you wouldn't be here unless your handlers wanted you here. We both know that.

        • gonzo731

          You don't have evidence of anything. Please stop making stuff up.

          I especially enjoy "my handlers" like a normal, rational person couldn't come to the conclusion that Obama is completely eligible to run.

          The easiest explanation is, of course, that Sheriff Joe is using your bigotry to extract money from you, or maybe you're part of Sheriff Joe's little group of idiots extracting money from other fools.

        • CaMaven

          You're such an outrageous liar, Gonzie-boy. We have provided links here on this thread so that real people can see the real evidence of the fraudulent birth certificate, Selective Service registration, Social Security fraud, E-Verify fail and natural born Citizenship law. A normal rational objective person who saw the facts would definitely question Obama's nonexistent eligibility.

          Readers- please feel free to forward any questions via a response to any one of my postings here.

          There are many resources working on projects besides the Cold Case Posse. in fact, the Sheriff's Office is working on it now, in addition to many volunteers across the country and some other official resources I can't talk about. We may not have the resources of OFA, but we have enough. Readers, please also donate to the attorneys working on this such as:

          Larry Klayman- http://freedomwatchusa.org working on two cases, plus NSA lawsuit http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/meet-larry-klayman-man-nsa-lawsuit/story (Great victory for the people!), Grand Juries and more
          Orly Taitz- http://orlytaitzesq.com

          The people distributing Sheriff's kits to public officials could also use your support. Contact Miki Booth via her Facebook page.

          Get bulletins on related happenings via http://birtherreport.com

          I'll send more stuff later, but gotta get back to work. Bye.

        • CaMaven

          The Communist Party embraces him and endorsed him in his most recent election. But you probably know that and even voted for it. Does the party still have votes?

        • CaMaven

          You still haven't told me whether you were one of the idiots who clapped when Obama said: "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

          I'll bet you were there at least in spirit.

        • gonzo731

          It would help if he actually said that

          http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp

          Look! A source!

        • RonMar

          I am doing a Christmas special on "tin foil hat" adjustments right now.
          "You know, you really don't have the defensible position here. Obama was [not] legitimately elected and re-elected. No sane person will claim otherwise."
          Yeah, hope, just as Obama wants you to do. LOL.
          There might "be some reason in this circle jerk, if you and those like you would leave or learn some things.
          I "see, there are people like [you], young, educated [badly by Libs-Progs since Liberal became such a dirty word] and
          technologically savvy [but lacking the moral values and good sense to use the technology properly. [You] see this [as] BS and immediately turn away from those spouting it" rather than respecting their age and with it the wisdom they have gained over their years of experience and far better education, etc. than you have.
          You are not going "to live in a functioning country" other than a Marxist-Islamic one with Obama. Pause, take a breath and look at the chaos and damage Obama has brought on and done to the US, citizens, visitors and the world already.
          The old Dem Lib party is long gone, replaced by the Clintoons and Obama with their former co-presidency and now Obama's Marxist-Islamic regime. Perhaps the GOP needs to be destroyed since it is only Dem Lib light and RINO for the most part.
          "Of course, I should have known not to argue with crazy. I really do find the help you need away from this farce, but I suspect you are too enamored of the hate filled drivel. You are being fleeced and don't care because someone you [do] like was elected. Tough. Grow up. Stop acting like a petulant child."
          You see how empty and meaningless your words are, how easily they can be used against you with only minor insertions, adds and deletions?

        • gonzo731

          What's your point? The funny thing about your "minor insertions, adds and deletions" means I didn't say that.

          You don't deserve respect because you and this group of idiots are a bunch of bigoted nutjobs. I saw someone publicly wish for the assassination of Obama. Then, there is this whole fact problem you have. NEWS FLASH: OBAMA ISN'T A MUSLIM. Just saying it doesn't make it so, but it does show what kind of bigot you are.

          You have a lot of other fact problems (and you can't make that stuff up).

          If you get outside of this echo chamber, you would see that you are a nutter. The majority of Americans are saner than this, and this is why you will continue to lose elections.

          You give Christians a bad name. You should be ashamed of the BS you posted up there, but you can't feel it. Please do us all a favor and move to Somalia where idiotic views like this won't destroy this country. And let me be absolutely clear, you and your Teahadists are destroying this country.

        • RonMar

          Points, plural, would be a better question.
          No, there is nothing funny about any of this. It is deadly serious, and no, it does not mean you did not say that. It means you said it, and I used your own words with few alterations against you.
          In other words anyone can say what you said about anyone else - you about another poster, and me about you - using your same words as empty and meaningless as your words are.
          I didn't ask you to respect me personally. I said, "[You] see this [as] BS and immediately turn away from those spouting it" rather than respecting their age and with it the wisdom they have gained over their years of experience and far better education, etc. than you have."
          Your response was to name call childishly, calling us "idiots" and "bigoted nutjobs."
          You haven't seen me "publicly wish for the assassination of Obama." So that is a non sequitur having nothing to do with your chat with me.
          I do not want Obama to be assassinated as a matter of fact. I want to see him alive facing the justice due to him for what he has done as the greatest threat since WWII to the US, citizens including you if you are one, visitors which you may be, and the world.
          I didn't just say Obama is a Muslim. He has said in writing and verbally that he was raised as a Muslim by the Kenyan Marxist-Islamist from whom he got his name at birth, then by the Indonesian Muslim when Obama's name was changed to Barry Soetoro. Furthermore Obama has said more than once the latter was during his "formative years."
          His policies and actions have consistently favored certain sects of Islam.
          For you to deny any or all of that is to call Obama a liar which he is about some but not all things - a Muslim practice taught in the Qur'an as taqiyya or kitman in Arabic until you are strong enough to take them - those who oppose Islam - over in the Islamic jihadist quest to take over the world for Allah and all else to which that leads in Islamic belief.
          Your saying Obama is not a Muslim does not make that true anymore than his saying he is a Christian makes him a Christian.
          Obama has, in fact, appointed Muslims to key positions in his regime - our former government - many of them.
          I see no proof from you or even an attempt by you to prove that Obama is not a Muslim. It is your "Hope" that he is not, when in fact the bulk of the evidence indicates otherwise.
          No, I don't have any "fact problems (and [I] can't [and don't] make ... stuff up)." Obama does have a lot of fact problems, does make stuff up, and you believe him selectively, blinded to the truth, facts, real history and current acts of Obama, or you unaware of all of that. Have you read his two purported autobiographies - Dreams From My Father and The Audacity of Hope - his many public remarks of him saying he is a Muslim, his record of supporting certain Muslims?
          There you go again using words that can apply equally to you - "If you get outside of this echo chamber, you would see that you are a nutter."
          The sanity of the "majority of Americans" has little-nothing to do with this, nor are your assumptions that "this [whatever this is to you] is why
          you will continue to lose elections."
          Who am I anyway? Do you really know? Do you have a label for me that is not childish name calling like "idiots," "nutter," etc.? What is my voting record? Did I vote for Obama or not? Once, twice?
          How exactly do I "give Christians a bad name?" Is it unlike Christ or Christians to tell the truth, to deal with facts, real history and current events?
          Why exactly "should [I] be ashamed?" You call what I said "BS" when I posted truth, facts, real history, current events and much of it from Obama's own purported autobiographies, his public statements and based on his actions which do speak much louder than words.
          I have no interest in doing you a favor other than trying to teach you and others which I do right where I am. I also have no interest in moving to Somalia. I have been to many places in Africa and do not particularly like it there. If I move from where I am now I am much more likely to move to the Caribbean, Central America or the Middle East.
          Given your criteria and views it looks to me as if you should move to Somalia, Kenya or some other African country.
          Obama is destroying this country, and you are supporting him.
          No, you "let me be absolutely clear" with you, I am not destroying this country. I am trying to save it from Obama and people like you who support him the way you do. I am also not a "Teahadist" whatever that is.
          Please define "Teahadist" for me. You seem confused about jihadists - Islamists like Obama trying to take over the world for Allah - and members of the Tea Party, those who vote for and support Tea Party candidates.
          I wish I could help you, but it does not appear that I can.

        • gonzo731

          Point was sufficient because you didn't make one. Changing what I said means I didn't say it.

          I read selective pieces of your drivel. No, I haven't seen you call for the public assassination of him, but people like you believe that. Why do I suspect deep down you believe any differently? You obviously cannot stand the fact Obama was elected and re-elected. And that is the crux why you and this whole site are a bunch of idiotic bigots. You do not have positions worth respecting. For goodness' sake, you a politicizing the death of a woman for no apparent reason other than a tenuous connection to Obama! How Christ-like of you!

          Is it illegal to be a Muslim? I don't think so. Therefore, why are you being such a bigot? Bush appointed Muslims too. Did that make him desire an Islamic state? Here's the thing: people are allowed to practice their religion here as long as it doesn't interfere with others. They are not second class citizens because you hate Islam.

          And dude, Obama is a Christian. He has even said so (proof! http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/104-32.0.html?start=2) And that right there is more proof than this entire website has regarding anything. There is also the little tidbit that you can't prove a negative. I just provided evidence Obama is a Christian, so if you're still going to insinuate that Obama is Muslim or Muslim-supporter, then you need to put up or shut up. And it needs to be something actually verifiable, not the BS claim that he said "my Muslim faith" on ABC News or that the White House hired Muslims.

          It is very unChristian to engage in the BS you just engaged with me. You changed my words around, you accuse Obama of something he is not, you call him the greatest threat to this country since WWII, which is just patently untrue. It's clear to rational people that you are just engaged in hate-mongering, and that's also why you are an idiot and a bigot (if the shoe fits...). It's a shame that you are so insulated inside this bubble of hate.

          It's also very unChristian to destroy this country. How many Republicans are being primaried for not being conservative enough, because they dared to compromise to have a functioning government? Obamacare had 40 plus attempts at repeal for no point as it was DOA in the Senate. That accomplished nothing when we need a functioning government. So, you see, by supporting these people you are destroying this country. That's why you should move to Somalia because there is a whole lot less government there, and let the people who want America to succeed get to work on fixing the country.

          Teahadists means no compromise, impose Christian Sharia law, destroy the country, etc. Surely you could have figured that out...

        • RonMar

          No, you did not get the points and since you still don't it is unlikely you ever will do so. Also you do not get to define what I mean by what I say. You use words that apply to you equally as you apply them to others.
          As a matter of fact you appear to be trying to project your traits and behaviors onto others. In psychology that is a sure sign of insanity - yours. Thus, the term Dem Lib Obamaniac.
          My posts are not drivel; yours are. So you gave an excellent example of your insane attempts at projection.
          I have no idea "why [you] suspect deep down [I] believe any differently" than those who want Obama to be assassinated. Since you force me to guess, see the words above about your tries at projection and your insanity - Obamania.
          This is not true at all on the face of it - "You obviously cannot
          stand the fact Obama was elected and re-elected." I most certainly can stand it and am doing so quite well tyvm. That is solid proof that you are wrong in your false assumptions and lies you tell yourself first.
          How childish of you again, gonzo, who has chosen his/her name so well - "why you and this whole site are a bunch of idiotic bigots." If you dislike the site so much leave it, go play your silly games elsewhere.
          I don't seek your respect but rather to teach you what you so desperately need to know before it is too late for you and yours if you have any responsibility for and to others.
          I haven't sad a word about "the death of [any] woman." Again by your own words you prove the case against you, that you are clueless about what you are posting.
          So you are now conceding Obama is a Muslim. No, it is not illegal. It is cold, hard fact, however, we are in a world war with Islamic jihadists who declared war on the world, especially the US and Israel again in the history of Islam, this time in the mid-1970s.
          Don't believe me look up Worldwide Terrorist Incidents and learn for yourself, teach yourself truth, facts, real history and current events. Maybe it will wake you up to the realities of Obama - your adored little, god-boy.
          "Bush appointed Muslims too." Prove your assertion by posting verifiable sources including to what positions "Bush appointed Muslims" as you claim, and the names, affiliations of the Muslims within Islam.
          Obama has appointed most virulent Islamic jihadists to key positions in his Marxist-Islamic regime. Wake up!
          No, "here's the [real and true] thing: people are allowed to practice their religion here as long as it doesn't involve" trying to take over the world including the US for Allah, establishing a worldwide caliphate with Shar'ia Law, forcing people to convert to Islam, subjecting in dhimmi* those who will not convert, and murdering people to achieve their aims. Look up dhimmi online. Unless you are a Muslim or ready to convert I doubt you will like it much.
          Your saying "because you [meaning I] hate Islam" is another of your false assumptions and lies you tell yourself first. I am a Christian missionary to Muslims as a matter of fact and have worked with them, sharing Jesus with them for almost a half-century, 50 years by now. Your ignorance and hatred of me overwhelms you.
          I am not a dude, small-minded, little boy or girl, so don't call me "dude."
          I told you already Obama saying he is a Christian does not prove he is. It proves more so that he is a Muslim practicing taqiyya or kitman as I explained to you already. For many reasons the source you cite is not credible to me.
          I did "put up" the facts of Obama's own written and spoken words. You need to "shut up" here, read his words and learn the truth about Obama.
          Are you claiming Obama did not say "'my Muslim faith' on ABC News or that [Obama has not appointed] Muslims" and put them in key positions in his Marxist-Islamic regime?
          Exactly who do you imagine you are to tell me, "it is very unChristian to engage in the BS you just engaged with me.
          You changed my words around, you accuse Obama of something he is not, you call him the greatest threat to this country since WWII, which is just patently untrue. It's clear to rational people that you are just engaged in hate-mongering, and that's also why you are an idiot and a bigot (if the shoe fits...). It's a shame that you are so insulated inside this bubble of hate.
          "It's also very unChristian to destroy this country. How many
          Republicans are being primaried for not being conservative enough, because they dared to compromise to have a functioning government?
          Obamacare had 40 plus attempts at repeal for no point as it was DOA in the Senate. That accomplished nothing when we need a functioning government. So, you see, by supporting these people you are destroying
          this country. That's why you should move to Somalia because there is a whole lot less government there, and let the people who want America to
          succeed get to work on fixing the country."
          I have explained to you all I am going to that I did not change your "words around."
          I don't accuse Obama of anything. I simply share what he has said and done by his actions which as with anyone speak louder than words. Obama is the greatest threat to this country since WWII." You just don't know it yet and are in denial about it in your Obamania.
          You have no idea what is "clear to rational people. You are being irrational, behaving like a willfully ignorant going to stupid, easily-duped fool, idiot really, racist Dem Lib Obamaniac. You are the one "engaged in hate-mongering, and that's also why you are an idiot and a
          bigot (if the shoe fits...). It's a shame that you are so insulated
          inside [your] bubble of hate."
          Yes it is very unChristian for Obama to be so intent "to destroy this country."
          The article and this forum thread has nothing to do with "how many Republicans are being primaried [whatever that means] for not being conservative enough, because they dared to compromise to have a functioning government."
          Obamacare is a disaster that Obama and the henchmen and women in his Marxist-Islamic regime lied to force into law which he is now violating at his own whims. Are you aware that Muslims and lots of others like Obama are exempt from Obamacare? I doubt you are.

          I am not moving to Somalia or any other country in Africa.
          If you want America to succeed, you will join in the effort to end Obama's tyrannical, oppressive, despotic, evil Marxist-Islamist regime ASAP by all legal means available to us. After Obama and his henchmen and women are out of power we can then start getting "to work on fixing the country" from the Obamanation it is presently and has been for awhile by now.
          There is no such word as "Teahadists." Christians do not have "Sharia law," any desire to "destroy the country, etc. Surely you could have figured that out..."
          Post away gonzo. I am through with you and your insane rants.

        • gonzo731

          You don't have any points. That's the point. You are just a bigot.

          I don't have time to answer all of your drivel. Here's the answer to Bush hiring Muslims: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/sep/23/local/me-homeland23

          Now, how is Obama, in his own words, not good enough for you? You have nothing to teach me except bigotry and intolerance. I don't really care if you witness to Muslims. It doesn't change that you are a bigot. If you would have seen my original point, this nonsense about Obama's legitimacy needs to stop. So pretty much everything you brought up is a non sequitur too.

          And please, cite any of your so-called "facts" in your drivel. I've given you more proof than you have of me, but you have given me plenty of proof of your bigotry.

          The thing is I live in a place called reality. Clearly you do not. And since you're assuming so much about me, I am very disappointed with how Obama has handled many things, but they are irrelevant when this BS gets brought up.

        • RonMar

          Seek help local to you for your mental health issues. I finished with you and told you so. Stop posting to me. Your posts now constitute harassment - big Internet no-no, gonzo.

        • gonzo731

          It's a shame you don't care about being factual as much as you do someone else calling you out on your bigotry. You would at least have honesty points if you came right out and said you hate Obama without all that Marxist-Islam mumbo jumbo added on top of it.

        • RonMar

          I put you on notice that your continuing posts to me is harassment. It is also defaming of my character and puts me at risk of personal injury, even death in the lies you are posting publicly about me, and you have no defense against it. Keep it up, and I will take legal action against you.
          You have no idea what my race, color or ethnicity is, and I have explained to you more than once that Obama is the primary source of what you call "bigotry," dishonest, "unChristian," "hate [of or for] Obama, and "Marxist-Islam mumbo jumbo."
          You also have no idea if I voted for Obama once, twice or never. You are acting insane in persisting with your posts as you are after being warned.
          In addition to your seeking help local to you for your mental health issues, I suggest you also consult an attorney. You are so obviously in serious need of help on at least those two fronts.

        • gonzo731

          First of, you are posting lies about Obama and myself as well. So stop whining.

          Second, stop following me on disqus and stop threatening me. Once you do that, I will stop responding to you.

          Finally, I wish you could see how repugnant your birtherism us to the rest of the country.

        • RonMar

          LOL. Not only are you just as I described you, and Obama is too, but you prove you are also illiterate-barely literate in English, a sloppy poster revealing a sloppy mind, or both illiterate and sloppy - "First of" and "how repugnant your birtherism (sic) us (sic) to the rest of the country."

        • gonzo731

          You ever think maybe I was typing on something other than a keyboard? Also, for the record, you are a birther, and birtherism is spelled correctly.

          What? No more threats?

        • RonMar

          FYI, it doesn't matter if you were carving out your message with a small hammer and dull chisel, you are still near illiterate-illiterate in English and a sloppy poster reflecting a sloppy mind.
          Further fyi, "birther" is a word contrived by Obama's henchmen and women in attempts to ridicule those who insist the POTUS/CINC be legitimate and unquestionably so according to the US Constitution requirements. Ever heard of that document? It is rather important, including to you and your freedoms and rights.
          Since birther is a contrived word for political purposes so also is "birtherism." As a matter of fact you will not find any such words in any standard dictionary.
          Also the original birther is once again Obama himself, followed by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Obama is the first to have said he was born in Kenya. One of Hillary's supporters and campaigners first raised the issue of Obama's birthplace publicly after Obama and followed with a lawsuit.
          I believe, as a matter of fact, Obama was born in HI (or somewhere like Kenya while his slutty momma was traveling) and that Obama was born to two US, natural-born citizens. Obama's problem most likely is that the Kenyan Marxist-Islamic drunk who killed himself in a drunken car crash in Kenya is not Obama's real father.
          So put that in your pipe and smoke it, boy or girl. I am not, repeat, not a birther and do not engage in any birtherism. You were wrong yet again as always.
          You feel threatened? Why? What did I possibly say that makes you feel threatened?
          You are behaving like a Big Mouth, obscene at times, and a scared little rabbit when you are called on your posts due to the things you say. Clearly you have let your alligator mouth overload your chicken butt and are now fearful of the probable consequences. Too bad. You did it. You can pay the price, and I will enjoy seeing you do it.
          People like you need to learn you can't say whatever you want about other people and get away with it. I am just the man to teach you that lesson by legal means, of course, boy or girl.

        • gonzo731

          I am not scared of you. You are a simpleton and a bigot who uses big scary words to impress the other slack jawed yokels here. You are engaging in things on the same lines as the birthers, so, in the end, you're no better than they are. Besides, who threatened to sue whom? It surely wasn't me.

          I really want to know how someone who is a Christian wants to set up a Marxist-Islamic state. You do see the problem with that, don't you?

          Now, I find it funny that you called me illiterate over a few typos. I'm not, but you, of course, are still a bigot.

          You have nothing to teach me. You made up your mind about Obama a long time ago, so you'll engage in whatever conspiracy theories float your boat. It's sad really.

          And still, you follow me. If you are going to threaten me, stop following me. You have nothing to teach me because there isn't much thought process to hating Obama.

        • RonMar

          Wow! Are you insane! You are running scared although I did not threaten you. Your defamation of my character on a worldwide-available, public site with your lies that you continue is a threat to me. I do have legal means to seek remedy. Bet on it. No, don't bet. Save your money. I want some of your wealth redistributed to me. LOL.
          I explained to you all the reason it is wrong for you to call me one of "the birthers," but apparently you are too stupid to get it.
          I also explained to you that Obama is not a Christian and all the reasons for it. You don't get that either as one who is willfully ignorant going to stupid, and easily-duped fool, acting like an idiot really, a racist Dem Lib Obamaniac. You are so insane you are not acting in your own best interests.
          I have no doubt you "find [lots of things] funny that" are not funny at all. Your use of the English language is atrocious, and it is not just typos you commit and do not correct in your sloppy posting revealing your sloppy mind.
          I have a lot to teach you, but you are not capable of learning. The first law of learning is readiness. Thus there is not much reason to try teaching you in your present state of unreadiness.
          Yes, I "made up [my] mind about Obama" when he first appeared on the national scene at the '04 DNC in Chicago and started telling various, conflicting stories, often mutually-exclusive about his sordid past.
          What is sad is that you are working hard against your own best interests. You are in fact a danger to yourself and others, like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and other recent Gollywood gals and desperately need to be treated just as they were - taken by the state into the care of psychiatrists but released too early. If released at all, ever, you need to be on close community control to be sure you take your meds as scheduled and do not suffer a relapse.
          Repeating for your benefit, I have not threatened you. You have threatened me by defaming my character. I will follow you as long as I wish since it is a Disqus option available to all Disqus users. Stop your childish whining and begging about it, little boy or girl.
          Your thought processes, brain, mind - a terrible thing to waste - are functioning at reptilian level. Seek help local to you, please, for your many mental health and behavioral issues, racist Dem Lib Obamaniac.

        • gonzo731

          Um, who's the one who is declaring Obama isn't a Muslim when he on multiple occasions has clearly stated he is a Christian? Should Obama sue your sorry existence into oblivion because you defamed him on a wingnut site?

          That doesn't even mention the case I have against you, if we're going to play make believe lawsuits. You have called me illiterate which plainly isn't true. Here's the thing: I haven't threatened you with a lawsuit. I don't care how you goose it up, but clearly, you are the one who started the threats. I told you what to do to stop yet you continue to follow me. I will stop responding to your ignorant, bigoted ass once you stop following me.

          Obviously, you're not that great at turning the other cheek. Maybe you need to read the Bible so more to learn about this guy you supposedly minister about. Oh wait, you don't minister about Jesus, you minister about Jeezus.

          And you are too stupid to get that you are no better than the birthers with your bigoted Marxist-Islamic regime comments. One thing that you and the birthers share is your common bigotry towards Obama. Was that really that hard to figure out?

          You did not do anything to say Obama isn't a Christian. The only thing you said was Obama hired Muslims. That was it. And all I can say is big effing deal. There's such a thing as religious freedom though you don't care about it.

          Thanks for doing your part to destroy the country. Future generations really appreciate it.

        • RonMar

          Your abysmal ignorance overwhelms you. FYI, public figures are generally unable to sue in the law regardless of what is said about them, and I have spoken and written only truths, facts, real history and current events about Obama. Truth is a first defense against defamation of character. You are posting blatant lies about me with intent to harm me and are in fact causing risk to my life due to the work that I do and the people with whom I do it.
          I am not "play[ing] make believe" as you will learn soon enough.
          If you really imagine you have a case against me, go for it. You will lose, and I will countersue you and win.
          I said much more than "Obama hired Muslims." Read my posts again, or better yet, get someone who can read with comprehension to read my posts and explain them to you.
          I care a great deal about religious freedom, our other God-given freedoms and rights affirmed in the US Constitution, and the body of laws following the Constitution. I have fought to defend our freedoms and rights, still do, and intend to do so as long as I am alive and able which I certainly am right now and for the foreseeable future.
          You are "doing your part to destroy" yourself, and I appreciate it as "future generations [will also] really appreciate it."
          LOL at you.

        • gonzo731

          You did not such thing. You are a liar and a bigot, and I even went up to check. You proved nothing regarding Obama. You say he is instituting a Marxist-Islamic regime, but he's not a Muslim. Are you kidding me? You offered no proof whatsoever except the ramblings of a stupid old bigot.

          I think it's hilarious that you think I'm posting "blatant lies about [you] with intent to harm [you] and are in fact causing risk to [your] life due to the work that I do and the people with whom I do it." Then maybe you shouldn't have engaged in all the lies you posted. Of course, if any of that were true, maybe you should have thought more before posting your drivel (and OMG, possibly stop responding to me?). It's also hilarious because I don't know your name (nor do I care to know) or anything about you, yet somehow I'm this big bad guy in your world, enough to sue over.

          You know, I would have actually liked to have a civil conversation with you, or any of the other slack jawed yokels on this site. But you have to go and be super bigot, making that impossible.

          You also still don't see that I expect you to stop following me as a matter of good faith. You see, I am not subservient to you. I know there are plenty of things I can do disqus related, but if you can't make a token effort in good faith, then why should I? I'm not the one following you, and I will stop responding to you once you take that little effort.

          Maybe you don't know how, here's the link: http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/708520-following-other-users

        • RonMar

          Keep it up boy or girl. The more you post the more you pile up evidence in the case against you.
          I did not say "he is instituting a Marxist-Islamic regime." He did that about noon on Jan. 20, 2008, the day he was inaugurated, swearing a false oath he let Supreme Court Justice Roberts cause him to flub since he - Obama - did not know the oath and had no intention of upholding it.
          You do know my name. I use it with my posts instead of a made up, childish user name as you use.
          It's not possible for you "to have a civil conversation" since you call us "slack jawed yokels on this site."
          The truth and fact is "I am not subservient to you." You don't get to tell me what to do ever about anything, yet you stupidly keep trying to do so. You in "good faith." LOL.
          I want you to keep replying to me. The more you do the stronger the legal case against you.
          "Maybe [I] don't know how [to do] what? As a matter of security policy on the Internet I don't open links from dodgy people like you.

        • gonzo731

          You are a good for nothing, stupid ass troll, bigot. Obviously I would not send you malicious links, but you are too stupid to know any better.

          Stop following me. You do not have that right, and I do not associate with bigots. If you sue me, continuing to follow me will only count against you. But I am finally finished with you, hypocritical bigot. You are nothing but a hateful, stupid troll. Good riddance.

        • RonMar

          Thank you for the further, name calling with obscenities evidence against you.
          Oh yes I do have a right to use the Disqus options available to me just like anyone else, including you, does. No, using that Disqus option" will [not] count against [me]."
          Keep checking your mail for communication(s) from my attorneys and the court, legal system. You do have lessons to learn, and as I said, I am just the man to teach them to you and others like you who imagine you can say anything you want about anyone and get away with it.
          Goodbye, boy or girl, and yes, "good riddance."

        • gonzo731

          Let me add this again: stop following me and I'll stop responding to you. Is that crystal clear?

        • RonMar

          It is clear, has been and will continue to be so, but ignored. You cannot deny me use of Disqus options including to follow you. There are other things you can do if you knew how to use the Disqus options available to you. I'll leave it to you, smart as you imagine you are, to figure out those options and to choose the best one for you. "Is that crystal clear?" LOL at still.

        • gonzo731

          You know, I don't care if you follow me or not. But if you continue to threaten me, who is going to take you seriously when I told you to stop something? You are just a spoiled child. You don't like being called a bigot (and believe me, you are one), but you won't do anything on your part to deescalate the situation.

        • RonMar

          If you didn't care if I follow you or not," you would not keep asking, indeed demanding that I stop following you. You are, as I have told you before, living your life based on lies you tell yourself first and false assumptions.
          Again for your benefit I tell you I have not threatened you ever, thus cannot continue or discontinue doing so. I don't see anyone here taking you seriously or even any evidence anyone but me is even reading your tripe, off-topic posts which are ad hominem attacks attempting to defame my character rather than your commenting on the news story and this forum thread.
          Throughout this post and others you have made you are trying to project your traits and behaviors onto me and others - the "slack jawed yokels on this site." In psychology, again as I have told you before, that is a sure sign of your insanity, DLO boy or girl.

        • gonzo731

          You have threatened to sue me, have you not? For the record, I said you guys need to knock it off about Obama's eligibility. You were the one who butchered my words. And as you are a troll, an idiot, and a bigot, I will not have further communication with you. Good riddance, bozo.

        • CaMaven

          Gonzo, Gonzo. I might believe you if you said you were a ”queen.”

          We have already proved Obama is a fraud. We’re aware that
          the country is not prepared to confront that shocking reality. Even JusticeThomas publicly commented on that. You are either too stupid or too ideological to absorb it. I admit that it took me a full week to process it when first confronted with it.

          However, Obama has alienated too many potential constituencies and has now added his masters to that list. They will do the same thing to him that they did to Hillary late in the 2008 primary—disappear his support and favorable publicity. He will whither away until they decide to enable his opponents who want to politically annihilate him. Might be us. The groundswell is already underway, obot. There still might be time for you to paddle to shore like Mark Steyn and Allen West recently did.

        • DogWithoutSlippers

          Tyrants are supported by "going to the wall" idiots like you. Start learning facts and details and use your head not your heart - it is blinding you.

        • gonzo731

          Mmmhmmm, right. Do you not see the circle jerk going on here? This was settled 6 years ago, and now Sheriff Joe is just doing a stunt to get more money. Isn't it obvious?

        • ezekiel22

          Benghazi matters to me as does the nearly headlong rush to war with Syria he us in. His consistent and constant lying matters to me. I have tried honestly to figure out if all of the denying of scandals is real or not. One would show criminality the other would show incompetency. If Obama wants respect then he had better show me respect as well.
          I have seen what he has done for this country. We have lost all credibility. You chide others for referring to you as an o-bot. Seeing as how I have never read you criticizing the one it is not hard to understand.

        • gonzo731

          We have lost all credibility because of the Tea Party. Compromise is acceptable to them if they get everything they want. That's not good governance. That's not how to run a civil society. There's already a record of Mitch McConnell saying the goal is to make Obama a one term president. That's not how you convince others to want to vote for you.

          Here's where you're not right. People are insulting Obama now (Obummer, Ovomit, etc etc etc). It's not right for you to do that, and it's not right for liberals to say Bushitler and the other things they said. They are both not right, but the thing is, Bush isn't in power. Obama is. Obot is not acceptable if you want to be taken seriously. There's no point in discussing what names conservatives have been called, though it's pretty hard not to go call every idiot on this site a conservitard. Yes, I've called people idiots, but at some point, you can't keep taking the high road.

          To boil it down, Republicans are closer to traitors, not the loyal opposition. People see this. As I said above, I used to be a Republican, but whoever thought Sarah Palin was good for anything, much less a national political position, cost the Republicans my vote.

        • CARLjr

          The strategy seems to be - elect politicians who hate politics. Have people that hate the Government run the Government.

          The real money is in book deals and speaking engagements. Get to this stage of your career as quickly as possible.

        • gonzo731

          Exactly! I've been saying it for a while, "Elect a conservative where we say government is bad and can't do stuff, and then proceed to prove it!"

          I need a little help wordsmithing it of course...

          It also seems to be a wolf at the gate all the time and sites like this and Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al just keep the fear instilled in them, so they can extract a lot of money from them.

        • CARLjr

          Don't forget Alex Jones.
          The Unified Conspiracy Theory or "superconspiracy" says that the world is controlled by an interlocking hierarchy of conspiracies. If facts are threatening a specific conspiracy you can dismiss them as 'part of the cover up'.

      • MARYANN33

        Get him out for justice to our Seals if nothing else....

    • Marj0120

      Gonzo, Proving obam has no legal right to hold his office is one of the best things that could happen in this country. Every mandate, every appointment would be nullified instantly. Pelosi who signed two different Certifications of Qualification for him, out on her butt, sitting in the pokie for Lord knows how long. Who knows how many would resign before they can be publically shamed and arrested. Hillary, jail time, Reid and everyone who knew and kept quiet, many Republicans as well.

      While cleaning out the criminals that knew, we can replace them with real Republicans, hopefully Kennedy style Democrats. We can regain respect for this country again. We need constitutional people who respect and love tis country, a grand overhaul is what is needed.

      obam's problem is not his religion or lack there of, it's his hatred and disrespect for the American people and the American way of life.

      • gonzo731

        You know that if this happens, Ted Cruz would have no chance of ever running because, you know, he was actually born in Canada. There are a lot of people like me who are tired of this BS. Obama was legitimately elected and re-elected. Stop acting like petulant children. Everything is not going to be undone. That's just your wildest fantasy.

        The thing here is I see this crap and it further resolves me to never voting for a Republican again. Is that what you want? I'm young. I have lots of voting left. A lot of other people are like me.

        The Republicans have become the party of hate, Cheezus, and intolerance. Republicans can't win on ideas anymore because they have none (and the status quo isn't an idea).

        • CaMaven

          No obot, he wasn't "legitimately elected," in that he violated campaign finance law, committed election fraud, lied and dissembled about his background and is not even ineligible. He has also committed numerous impeachable crimes while in office. Yes, I agree that Cruz is ALSO ineligible, not having two American Citizen parents and being foreign born.

        • gonzo731

          Then it shouldn't be hard to provide legitimate sources for your claims.

          Also, "obot" is a pretty lame insult, but thanks, hadn't seen that one before.

        • CaMaven

          If you showed any real desire to learn, I would once again go to my keyboard and dig out and send you all the links. Just for openers, to prove my goodwill and test your sincerity, let's start with this, which was carefully researched and vetted: It addresses only the legalities related to Article II Section 1.

          http://art2superpac.com/issues.html.

        • gonzo731

          What does that site prove, exactly?

          You can hurl whatever epithet you want to at Obama, but do you really believe that he didn't have a bunch of legal minds ensuring he was considered a natural born citizen? Almost six years later, what do people like you have to show for it? And you don't think there would have been a legal challenge that would have made it up to the Supreme Court? It's not really that liberal, you know.

        • CaMaven

          Did you read that site or are you incapable of reading and understanding it? It is acompendium of information about natural born Citizenship.

          I didn't hurl any "epithets" at Obama but made the case that he is an ineligible usurper and a criminal, which strong arguments can be made for I do believe that bunch of legal minds are dedicated to trying to spin that he is ineleigible andf fight off all threats to him on that account.

          The Supreme Court has declined every case brought to it on that, without comment or opinion. Only Justice Thomas has commented on the matter, offline. Most officials fear aggravating this Constitutional crisis. We have been told by certain officials who will not be named that he may or may not be eligible, but "that ship has sailed," that it would cause "race riots" if it was addressed, that he'll be out of office soon anyway (that was in 2012), that they don't want to appear "bigoted" (the catch-all defense- never mind that the law is being broken and the nation is in peril).

        • DogWithoutSlippers

          Actually, it is an Obamabot!~

        • gonzo731

          And that makes it even less lame? What's your point?

        • jerrycollie

          Gonzo: Wishing you could present a 500 word essay on your concept of values of America and American's futures.
          To you and those who's attitude match, would you ever consider migrating to present day Russia or maybe Zimbabwe?
          Neither government has to contend with political philosophies of what the GOP once represented. .

        • gonzo731

          Um, what kind of question is that? Neither countries have a government I would consider good.

        • blaineiac

          I’m sure that you would not admit, or are even aware, that you have been lied to by your “State Educators” in public government indoctrination centers, but if you want to “learn” a few things, may I suggest you read “The 5000 Year Leap”, by W. Cleon Skousen, ISBN 0-88080-148-4. It’s available on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/5000-Year-Leap-Original-Authorized/dp/0880801484/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1387081111&sr=1-1&keywords=the+5000+year+leap for $16.47. It may be the best investment you’ll ever make in educating yourself.

        • gonzo731

          If I have time to read fiction, I try to make it enjoyable.

          I can assure you my "state educators" did not lie to me.

        • John H. Kohlenberg

          Maybe when you grow older, your brain will develope

        • Raymond Michael Borland

          If both your parents are USA citizens who were born in the USA than you can become president even if you are born in a foreign country. McCain was born in Panama on a military base there from what I recall and he ran for president legally. Natural born citizenship means you have to be born of two US citizens. Obama was not. If he was born in the USA he would be made a citizen just by the fact of being born here. However he still would not be legally/Constitutionally eligible to run for president since both his parents were not US citizens. The question about whether or not he was even born in Hawaii just makes the issue worse for him. He wants the sheeple to believe he is a naturalized US citizen by being born in Hawaii. That is why the falsification of the birth certificate and his attending public school in Indonesia are critical to know who Obama really is and whether his eligibility to be president is not just one more of his lies, perpetrated by the media and the Democraps. Did his mother give up his US citizenship to get him into an Indonesia school? Did he get scholarships to Occidental College as a foreign student? What do his documents from Columbia and Harvard Law School show? Eventually when he is out of office the truth will be known. If he was a fraud, will all his legislation be voided?

        • gonzo731

          No, one parent has to be a US citizen. That's the law. If it weren't, why wasn't Obama's legitimacy challenges successful a long time before he even won the presidency the first time?

          Also, by calling the vast majority of Americans who have gotten over this already "sheeple" seems to be more of a self-projection on your part. If you don't toe the line here, you are immediately turned on. I've seen it happen before. It will happen again. I even think I started off reasonably ("stop this nonsense. it will only hurt you"), and I'm racking up all sorts of insults.

          The thing is, this is hurting the Republican Party and it's hurting America. Don't you care about that? I want to live in a functioning society, not some backwaters banana republic. That's what's happening right now, right here.

        • blaineiac

          As a sidebar, the Military Base that McCain was born on was in the “Canal Zone” in Panama. The Canal Zone was U.S. Territory, ceded to the U.S. in perpetuity, as a reward for the U.S. supporting the Columbian province of Panama when seceding from Columbia to form its own State of “Panama”. At least that’s how I learned it. Then we had an idiot peanut farmer give it back to Panama in exchange for love and kisses from Noriega, and he let the Communist Chinese take it over. Today’s progressive education teaches that we “stole” it from Panama.

        • Raymond Michael Borland

          blaineiac, you are correct. I baby born of American parents anywhere in the world is a US citizen. Obama's father was not a USA citizen but a citizen of Kenya and Great Britain because Kenya was a colony of England.. This presumes Mr. Obama Sr was indeed Barack Soetoro Obama's real father and not Frank Marshal Davis, who BO spent a lot of time with when growing up. more than he spent with his supposed alcoholic father. BO's mother did not live long enough in the USA to be a citizen when BO was supposedly born in Hawaii. nevertheless the media and democrats ignore what being a natural born citizen meant to the Founding Father. It meant both parents had to be US citizens. The Founders did not want any foreign citizen, particularly English royalty to become a president of the USA and over turn our sovereignty. You should note the Constitution did not have this eligibility requirement for being a Congressman or a Senator. That also points out the Founders did not want a naturalized citizen to become president. Please correct me if I am simplifyng or making any error. You obviously are very well read.

        • Flybob

          Moron. The vote was counted by a George soros company in spain and there was TONS of voter fraud in several states. He wasn't elected, he was appointed by fraud. Go away idiot. You're part of the problem.

        • gonzo731

          [Citation needed]

      • fiftysevenchevy

        It's ALLLLLLLL of the above!!!! Muslims are taught & learn to Hate the American people & our way of life! They like our Milk & Honey, but don't want to be Americans! They are here primarily to take over our country & Eliminate Infidels! And if we don't stop Them, they will definitely stop US!!!!!!! The ignorant Dumocraps just can't see that And/Or they simply don't believe it!!!!!!! The American people better Wake UP!

        • ipsd48

          the demorats see it alright...............and plan to take totalitarian power through it

    • blaineiac

      “…used to be a Republican?” Do you even know the difference? The only difference is that the Republicans have a later “sell by” date, otherwise they are the same – pushing for ever larger, ever more controlling government. And just what do you expect this monster government to do for you? Provide for you everything you think you are “entitled” to? Go ahead and vote for it then, I’m “old” and don’t give a rats patootie – I won’t have to live under it, but I promise you that when you get the communist utopia you desire so much, you will find that the utopia part is only for the elitist ruling class you have put in power – your portion will be one of gruesome servitude.

      The only “change” this country needs is to rid itself of the 90% “unconstitutional” government shackles the Democrats AND the Republicans have burdened us with, so we may continue living in a free wealth building society; one free from government tyranny. It is NOT the government’s job to provide “health care”, give out “free phones”, dictate what you can do with your own property, or turn us all into lawbreakers just for breathing. And it is DEFINITELY not the government’s job to “re-distribute” ANYTHING!

      • gonzo731

        I'm just going to hone on the phone comment because this really shows why Republicans don't have ideas anymore.

        You will rail against someone looking for a job. What's one of the things you need to get a job? Well, if you don't have a phone, how will you be informed of an interview? If people can't afford a phone and are unemployed, how do you expect them to ever become productive members of society?

        Also, the "I got mine, screw the rest of you" mentality you exhibit is why I got smart and left. Ayn Rand is good for teenagers who don't know better. As someone older, you should know better but clearly you don't.

        It's a shame we can't take lessons learned from other places like Scandinavia or Germany, where everyone has each other's back. They have functioning societies, and people like you are so marginalized.

        • texrollie

          blah blah blah

        • Howdy Doody Conservative

          Yep....

        • GeneP54

          If we were responsible, we would make sure our kids got an education, went to work, contributed to society, and we could ALL afford cell phones, and anything else.
          It's one thing to not be able to afford a phone and need it for a job and quite another for MILLIONS of people to be GIVEN phones and they do nothing with them except chat for the fun of it.
          Give people a phone until they get that job then let them pay it back. Still no job? Then no phone.

          I'm a so sick of dems saying that we don't care about other people! The vast majority of people, regardless of political affiliation, would help someone else if they really needed it because it is the right thing to do...NOT because they are in a political party!
          Our beef is that the government has no business in OUR business. Leave us to take care of ourselves and let the government do THEIR job and this country would be stronger, healthier, wealthier, and happier that any of us could imagine.
          And, speaking of that, do you know the TWO things the Constitution says the government can do? Didn't think so. 1: Protect our soil (which they are NOT doing) and 2: Oversee interstate commerce (OVERSEE not CONTROL) (THAT is why Roberts said O'care was a tax)
          You speak of us being soooo marginalized? REALLY???? Look in the mirror, dude, and stop with the name calling until you clean up your own back yard!

        • gonzo731

          How do you know what these people do with their phones? You are assuming the worst of people, and shame on you. The Tea Party is doing its damnedest to shrink education, job training, workplace safety, environmental protections, for what, exactly?

          Did you know that we need to spend $2 trillion by 2020 to keep our infrastructure in good enough shape. Neither party is even approaching those kinds of amounts, but at least Democrats are trying. Republicans have just given up.

          Democrats are saying you don't care about others because, frankly, you don't. If you give money to charity it's with strings attached. Look at Hurricane Sandy relief. There is absolutely no way private charity could have taken care of that, but Republicans insisted upon cuts elsewhere. That's ludicrous!

          And do you know what marginalized means? That means no one listens to you anymore. That's what you are doing to the Republican Party! I refuse to vote for a Republican until they get their act together, but they won't because any decent Republican gets primaried. I would have loved to vote for Jon Huntsman last year. He didn't stand a freaking chance with the other yokels running around.

          Finally, Republicans don't care about smaller government. Look at gay marriage. Look at abortion. Look at any affront to Christianity. Look at what's passing as science in the schools. That's not smaller government, but that's what is being demanded.

        • GeneP54

          First, I know because I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen them do that and more.
          Second, the things you mentioned are NOT the responsibility of the federal govt. based on the Constitution. None of those things that you mentioned have to do with smaller government. Those are social, local, state matters that the feds have decided to tip their toes into.
          We'd have the money for the infrastructure if we weren't doling it out to those who think they are entitled to suck on the teat of those who ARE responsible and contribute.
          As far as Sandy is concerned, do you have any idea how much I donated or not? Of course not. So keep judging. But if you want a good example of communities helping each other, look at Mississippi after Katrina. To this day there are STILL FEMA trailers sitting by the highways, never used because so many of the people helped themselves....unlike New Orleans, for a large part. And still, if money wasn't being wasted on so many other things, even the govt. would be able to help in times of crisis such as these.

          Here's the thing about our country... I don't really care who you vote for as long as you vote. One of the main problems we have is apathy. So I'd rather you vote for someone that I don't support than to not vote at all.. to not care enough to be part of the solution, even if our definitions may be different.

          And, again, the things you mentioned are not about the government unless they stick their nose into it. According to the Constitution, no. Simple.

        • gonzo731

          Dude, you're just assuming you know what they do with their phones. Also, the plural of anecdote isn't data.

          Now, I'm glad you finally got to the point on why Romney lost: all these damn moochers living high off the government teat. In case you couldn't tell, I'm being sarcastic. It's a pretty miserable existence living off SNAP and Section 8 housing. No mention of all the corporate welfare, which exceeds personal welfare by far. We're in this mess because of the mooching people, not mooching, well connected corporations.

          Now, do I know how much you donated to Sandy relief? No, you're absolutely right I don't. Do I know if what you donated is enough? You betcha! I think the numbers were around $60 billion in aide needed, charity covered nowhere near that. So, you see, it doesn't matter how much of a good, kind soul you are. It wasn't enough.

          Now, let's move on to something even more interesting, and why I cannot stand your way of thinking anymore. We are running out of jobs. There are only so many fry cooks, cashiers, and other low skill jobs needed in this country. A lot of the good, blue collar jobs have been outsourced or automated. We have people who are out of work who may never find another job so long as they live. What are you going to do to take care of them? Do you expect them to be charity cases for the rest of their lives? You cannot possibly provide enough for more than a few people unless you are fabulously wealthy.

          This is the Republican Party's problem in a nutshell: lack of empathy.

        • GeneP54

          And if you'll go back to my very first comments about being responsible and helping our kids get the education they need to be more than fry cooks, well, I hate to say it, but I think we actually agree on something.
          As long as school systems allow students to get passing grades for showing up, we will continue to have a society of under (un-)educated young people who don't have the skills or training for much more than menial jobs. As I stated, this is one of the biggest problems
          As far as my giving. you have no idea if what I gave was enough. The thing about giving, that I guess most dems don't get, is that it has to be about having the heart to be a giver... not a receiver, which is where the focus of you guys are. If we would go back to being responsible for each other instead of relying on govt. hand-outs, there would be more than enough. But as long as someone has a handout to give, I can assure you there will be more hands out there to get. As a nation (the government) we simply can't afford it! I'm not sure where you think all of the money will come from to support everyone..including cell phones..but it has to come from somewhere and with the greater part of our society only being able to be fry cooks (not that we don't need them, we do), there isn't enough money to support all of the teat programs the govt. would like to offer. It isn't good for the country OR the individual OR the society to have moochers...period.
          When we give things, like cell phones, with no accountability, people simply will not be accountable. Again, we can't afford it. But moochers will be moochers and they will destroy ALL of us if we don't stop the govt. from growing to the point there is no one left to fund it.
          I'm not sure where you think 'my thinking' is, but here's a thoujght for you. You asked what am I, personally, going to do to help people since I have "no empathy'. I own a company and I hire others. I have them contribute to society with taxes, selling goods, being part of the whole economic process, AND encourage them to donate time, money, and resources to help others. So don't DARE sit there and judge me when you don't even know me or tell me I don't care about others or have "no empathy". If the govt. doesn't get out of the corportations business, we won't be able to do that anymore and we will become a society of nothing BUT government. But still, someone has to pay for it. Are YOU going to do that?

        • gonzo731

          I know you didn't give enough. No one gave enough. That was my point.

          It's a shame you are so bitter regarding the less fortunate. I doubt the sincerity of your gifts.

        • GeneP54

          LOL Oh my gosh! I am not bitter regarding anything except being falsely accused. You may doubt all you want. I give nothing to impress you or anyone else. You completely missed my points if this is the best answer you can give. I'm done. lol (typical dem)

  • Cliffystones

    If the "new" evidence is so "universe-shattering" why wait until March? It's pretty hard to take these reports seriously when they sound like a tease for some new action movie.

    • CARLjr

      They have to build it up for the pay-per-view event.

    • GeneP54

      The sheriff is running for re-election.
      Maybe for the same reason 99% (no kidding!) of the information Snowden has won't be released??

  • CARLjr

    Benghazi, Birf Certificat, Homos, and Mooslims! derp.

  • https://www.Twitter.com/TheJettDavis Jett Davis

    If you can't even get the name of the person he was flirting with right, what does that say about the rest of this? I'm getting real tired of underground conservatives who keep saying Obama is going to be "kicked out of office any minute," and then you turn around and his approval rating is higher than ever. We've been hearing this same birther/Muslim/homosexual crap for 6 years now. Meanwhile, the progressive/Fabian socialist agenda (which is not exclusively his, but that of the entire Democratic Party, along with their allies in entertainment, media, non-profits & academia) marches on, unabated. For the record, the object of Obama's mirth was Danish PM Helle Thorning-Schmidt, not Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg (roughly the difference between a supermodel and a Russian female weight lifter).

    • CaMaven

      Obama's rating higher than ever? What are you smoking?

      Danish officials are calibrated in hotness?

      Yes, Obama not about to be kicked out in minutes, since both big, corrupt parties, big business, NWO and media are enabling him. But, in his arrogance, he has crossd NWO too often, so they may use the birther crowd to help depose him. That might be their idea of humorous, poetic justice.

    • bet1125

      It's higher than ever at Man's Country.

  • Ron

    For the one hundredth and sixty first time I've said it, Congress does not have the balls to take action against this mad man! Don't you people get tired of this kind of stuff without any action being taken?

    • MARYANN33

      Very very tired of all this time wasted on this piece of garbage Obama...Oust him now...

  • CARLjr
    • Howdy Doody Conservative

      And....

  • MoDeVille

    Odouchebag lies??!! I don't believe that for one minute.

  • Alleged Comment

    Untimely death or DIVINE PUNISHMENT because of what she unleashed on America?

    Huh you say?

    What the sodomite negro is about to do to America, some kind of ungodly WICKEDNESS! Of course, the sodomite is really only a symbol there since he is so inept and backward, we have no leader!

    Providing the PERFECT cover for a FF operation and no one to lay the blame on!!! So the cowards can scurry back to their rat holes and live another day, but you get to DIE!

  • jb80538

    Let's get it PROVEN and him removed from the WH in shackles! Render ALL of the laws and orders he signed NULL and VOID along with every "presidential" appointment he made.

    • John Cherish

      What more proof do you need than his selective service record, If you have a selective service registration card look at it does yours have a 4 digit date? why does his only have 2? Its because it is forged

      • ltneid

        Just saying it isn't proof, John. It has to a little more official than "I saw it on the Internet." Have you, personally, ever seen it, or just a post on somebody's blog site? I've got four different Kenyan BCs for Obama I've pulled off the Internet. Which, if any, are valid?

    • John H. Kohlenberg

      All these laws they produce since Obama are not legal and withstanding . Only a real president can sign into law or veto. He is not the president. We don't have a president, that is why the country is running wild.

  • MARYANN33

    Just how much proof do you need that this guy is a lying sack???? What does it take to get him out of office???? Sure our whole system needs to get back to God and the Rinos and cheaters out of our government...Lie detector tests should be required for all government offices...Too many foreigners in this country making us like themselves and that is not a good thing.

    • John Cherish

      The only proof you need to prove him a fake, a fraud, a counterfit, a flim flam artist is his Selective Service Registration Date. everyone else in the whole country has a 4 digit date. So why does Obama only have a two digit date? Its such a blatant forgery that it isn't even necessary to look further. Why isn't congress acting on this?

      • The Watson

        Most in congress fear for their families and maybe their own life.

      • actor44

        The reason?! The future of thier Gene Pool!

      • MARYANN33

        Canada free press sent the picture of Boehner as the cowardly lion...He is worse than that...We have a few brave Republicans but too few...after all that has occurred we need to doubt some of them too. I really respect Trey Gowdy. I wish we had all reps like him. No one is ever removed or reprimanded in this communist government now. They think they own us....Not yet they don't. But who will enforce our laws????

    • actor44

      Foreigners telling Pres. what to do started not later than Wilson with House!

  • David Murphree

    I think obama brith certfecit is also a frude and he needs to be kick out of the WH.

    • CARLjr

      I can't tell if you are being sarcastsic.

  • bill coleman

    These are drastic times. The tenth admendment and article V appear to allow a potus to be removed by an admendment to the constitution. The potus and the supreme ct. have nothing to do with admending the constitution. One problem would be that one third of the senate can block an admendment and of course this idea is only "half baked" (or much less) at this point.

    • ltneid

      Impeachment is the only way the Constitution allows removal of a president, and that process is laid out pretty clearly.

      • John Cherish

        Technically he is not the president since he is a usurper of the office. he is a foriegn national occupying our white house and should be arrested and imprisoned as a foriegn spy

        • The Watson

          No John, obama is not the president, he is your Supreme leader.

        • Alleged Comment

          That depends on us willing to be the sodomite's supreme followers!

      • Alleged Comment

        He is NOT a president but a usurper by means of a traitorous Congress. So you have a complete and treasonous government.

        Which requires a Constitutional RESET or abolition of this current menace we dare call our government.

        • actor44

          Correct!!

      • charles17121

        ltneid , Wrong ! First of all you cannot impeach someone who is illegally holding the office of US President . Impeachment is for a legal sitting US President or VP . The fraud and usurper barack hussein obama is not a legal sitting US President . The removal of this fraud and usurper barack hussein obama from office must come under US Constitutional law Article ll Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution .

        • ltneid

          Even if what you say is true about his not being eligible, there is nothing in the clause about removal from office. The only way mentioned in the Constitution is Article II, Section 4. If you have another citation for removal, I'll be happy to look at.

        • bet1125

          Think "Dave" but without the good intentions.

      • John H. Kohlenberg

        Forget impeachment. Go with the marshal and have him arrested on fraud and war criminal charges. No proof he is illegible to be president. Make him prove it with documentation. We the people have to. Take him out in chains immediately..

        • Guest

          Who's Marshal Law? And whoever he is, I don't think he's constitutionally authorized to remove the president in chains.

        • Christian_Patriot7

          I assume you mean the US Marshal Service.

      • bill coleman

        Correct.There would also have to be an admendment to change the 10th admendment to allow removal of potus by an admendment to the constitution. Both impeachment and admending require approval by 2/3 of the senate. This would become interesting if 3/4 of the state legislatures voted for one or both of the two required admendments.

        • ltneid

          You saying to repeal the 10th Amendment and pass a 28th Amendment to allow the passage of a theoretical 29th Amendment which would do something that is already spelled out in the Constitution? That's a lot of amendments, and a pretty convoluted way to get something done. Why not just stick with Article II, Section 4 as the Founders wrote it?

  • John Cherish

    Obama is the only person in the US to have a 2 digit date on his selective service registration record everyone else who has ever gotten one has 4 digit dates on theirs this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this record is a forgery. Why would any other so called document of his be legitimate. Where is congress on this why have they not looked into this? The answer is they are complicit in the fraud as well.

    • ltneid

      I just pulled out my original draft card. I was classified 2-S until, and I quote, '10/69'.

      • John Cherish

        I did not say draft card I said resgistration record stamped by the post office

        • ltneid

          OK, but I've never seen the other, or if I did, it was a long time ago.

        • DogWithoutSlippers

          Wasn't that the card that you filed at the Post Office when you were 18? That one they would date stamp! They also stamped deferment cards with date stamp. The Draft Card they type in the date of registration and mail it to you - remember?.

        • ltneid

          I've got one in my wallet that's 45 years old.

    • blaineiac

      Aww, it's probably because there was a small piece of paper or something stuck to the stamp under the "19" so it never got inked....d'ya think? (Never mind that the spacing of the "80" shows it was turned upside down to make the stamp - facts are such obstinate things...)

      • The Watson

        One stamp in a Trillion!!!

  • Danny Collins

    if i had to guess , i would say heart attack killed her. 65 years old that is my theory
    as for this birth certificate deal, well every one talks, no one has done anything. i have heard it
    for nearly 5 years. can we get an arrest before 2016?

  • John Cherish

    He has a fraudulent Social Security number proven to be not his. ( idenity theft ) he has a fake Selective service registration record 2 digit date (the post office does not stamp nor have they ever stamped 2 digit dates, their stamps all have 4 digit dates and always have). There is overwelming evidence that even his own birth certificate was photoshopped ( this by an expert that worked for Obamas lawyers) The fraud is still being perpetrated by members of both parties in Congress and by the news media. I guess everyone is affraid the house of cards will fall and they all will be implicated in the fraud. I don't look for there to be any revelations and if there are they will not be reported on and quickly hidden by this corrupt administration

  • CARLjr

    Does this new evidence have anything to do with the $200 million dollar lawsuit Joseph Farah and Jerome Corsi just lost against Esquire?

    It's too bad that Obama released his birth certificate a few weeks before their book "where's the birth certificate?" came out. I'm sure it really hurt sales.

  • al_kidya

    The thing that bothers me about Fuddy is that "The president of the airline said "the pilot got everyone safely off the plane"? If that is the case then why did Fuddy die? They took her to the area hospital and she died, from what injuries? A broken ankle?

    • actor44

      This I did not know. Very interesting! When involved with criminals. broken finger nails can be fatal!

  • Busdriver Bill

    Even more important than "where he was born" is how he received a scholarship reserved for foreigners - the Fulbright. He must have applied for it as an Indonesian citizen - BLAM - disqualified for the presidency. PERIOD!! Whoever has colluded in this secrecy is an accessory to treason, and should be tried along side the imposter-president. We've been the victims of a bloodless (sort-of) coup. Our whole executive branch is fraudulent. Ah, how to undo six years of fraud in the white house - no easy task, but it must be done.

    • RockyMtn1776

      In my opinion, he could get on tv and admit to being born in Kenya and not enough Americans would care. They know nothing of our Constitution, don't want to know and as long as the entitlement checks keep rolling in will continue to worship The One. If citizens by the millions have not marched on Washington , tar and feathers in hand over Benghazi, the IRS, NSA spying on the entire planet, Fas & Furious it's all over for America. When the entitlements can no longer be paid is when the real trouble starts. . It's going to be something Americans have not seen in the nation for many, many years.

      • Tim

        Couldn't have said it better myself!

      • The Watson

        Would like to think you are wrong, but am not sure.

    • Christian_Patriot7

      The start to undo the last 6 years would be to say to every person appointed by Obama, since he was not legally eligible to be president, " YOU'RE FIRED, YOU'RE FIRED, YOU'RE FIRED, ETC....!!" To every illegal executive order and every law signed by Obama to be stamped in red, VOID!
      And then, to every Muslim, communist democrat, and atheist, you have 10 days to get out of the United States!

      • actor44

        Much longer than 6 years,no later than 1910 not to mention the war between the States [ no civil war was ever fought whith in the States ] Bush is part of it! The U.S. Has been over thrown period! The only temporary measure to reverse,or slow this is electing Libertarian,Tea Party,or Constitution Party Reps. which will NOT take place!
        What will/is taking place is the subjugation,and disarming of the people,period!

    • johnob1

      It can be done only if our representatives has the guts to enforce Article I; Section 8. Paragraph (18) Powers Vested in Congress. With the foreign-born illegal alien agent Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II being arrested, all ills imposed upon this nation and its people can legally and constitutionally be declared as NULL and VOID all the way to the two illegal appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court. No U.S. Representative is listening or even honoring their sworn duty to protect and defend this country and its Constitution.

      This is a foreign-born "Saboteur" destroying our sovereign nation while our representatives are more worried about their re-election than saving America for our future generation of American children.

      The communist controlled U.S. Senate must be excluded during the arrest and trial of the foreign-born illegal alien agent Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II for true justice, and not allow the U.S. Senate to make a mockery of the U.S. Congress as they did in the case of William Jefferson Clinton after he was found totally guilty by the U.S. Congress. Remember?

      MSGT JOHN CORREA
      USAF (RET)

    • kkc003

      If everything he signed was was a fraudulent presidency it can be overturned.

      • thestormy

        What bothers me is that we have never witnessed him take his Oath of Office. I have lived long enough to witness several POTUS's take the Oath and have never seen anyone before bho mess it up. We have seen him start it and SUPPOSEDLY MESS IT UP SO HE PRIVATELY TOOK THE OATH LATER? WE HAVE NO PROOF THAT HE EVER TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE. HOW IS HE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR AN OATH THAT HE NEVER TOOK?

        • ltneid

          You're so right. All we have are a few photographs, a handful of witnesses, and word of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. It's like it never happened.

        • thestormy

          I forgot to mention that it happened in BOTH SWARING IN CERIMONIES !!

    • jb Andrews

      Those who enabled this fraud should be sentenced to death along with Obama for the damage allowed to be served on this country. This includes the media moguls and producers and reporters! Sweep them all out !!

    • gonzo731

      Um, the Fulbright scholarship isn't reserved for foreign students...

      "The Fulbright Program awards approximately 8,000 grants annually.
      Roughly 1,600 U.S. students, 4,000 foreign students, 1,200 U.S.
      scholars, and 900 visiting scholars receive awards, in addition to
      several hundred teachers and professionals. Approximately 310,000
      "Fulbrighters" have participated in the Program since its inception in
      1946. Currently, the Fulbright Program operates in over 155 countries
      worldwide."

      From http://www.cies.org/Fulbright/

      Plus, Obama never received a Fulbright scholarship...

  • Jill

    why the wait, unload all the info so we can get rid of all this corruption

  • CARLjr

    If they truly had 'universe shattering' evidence they would take it to court or Congress, not wait until spring and then sell it to the public.

    • patriot4life

      This Fraud POS WILL be Removed from Office !!! .

      • barb patton

        they will never let that happen and he is secure in that knowledge and does not care a damn what we the people SAY OR FEEL aBOUT HIS CRIMINAL, FRAUDULENTl IES AND SKULLDUGGERY. We do not sleep at night with worry - the government et al sleep like babies secure in the knowledge that no one can touch them

      • CARLjr

        In January 2017

        • patriot4life

          " The Tree of Liberty must be Refreshed from Time to Time with the Blood of Patriots and TYRANTS " ... Thomas Jefferson .

        • Joel

          "And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter." -Thomas Jefferson

        • CaMaven
        • CARLjr

          "Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."
          - Thomas Jefferson.

        • ltneid

          Their heads explode when the reality of that starts to sink in.

    • thestormy

      If bho has nothing to hide,why has he spent millions to fight every case that goes to court? Why did he allow the first case to hit a court? Why hasn't he resolved the problem?
      Why is this woman the only one to die in the plane crash.

      Why is the Alaskan Senator representing the Gulf Oil Spill whistleblowers dead? He as well died in an air plane crash. Why is one Gulf Oil Spill whistleblower missing and the other 8 dead? Is it because bho's appointee who was in charge, taking money from BP & actually the lover of the BP person in charge of repairs on the rig? Why did they not replace the seal that had been reported by the rig workers as dangerous?

      • CARLjr

        How dare he defend himself. Then win every challenge to boot. You would think over 200 failures to challenge his eligibility would have resolved the problem, but there is still money to be made, even if you lose.

        • thestormy

          He has been a no show more times than he has won.
          The Judge who was murdered when Gabby Gifford was shot just happened to have an up coming case against bho. Was Gifford the real target or was a murder successful?
          Governments murder their own people all of the time. Remember Waco?
          Go ahead defend him all you wish. Be mindful of the fact that when The S*it Hits The Fan and it will, his supporters will be no better off than the rest of us. He lied about Unaffordable Health Care Act, Benghazi, IRS to get reelected.
          How's obamacaer working for you? Wait until January when it kicks in even more and you pay another 2% on every monetary transaction. The gov. does random, unannounced health wellness checks on your child. If they deem your child isn't being cared for properly by their standards, they take your child out of your home. Who else did that? Oh, I remember, it was Hitler!!!

        • CARLjr

          Godwinned.

        • mudguy1

          Too many have forgotten Hitler.

        • thestormy

          I was 17 when I got my first job & worked with an older lady who had survived. She had the numbers on her arm. She was a quiet lady and I liked her. Other people would avoid her because she was a Jew & they said that Jews killed Jesus. I reminded them that Jesus's purpose on earth was to die to save our sins.
          As for the American people I fear they will only remember Hitler when they are being persecuted and watching their family members die violent deaths. Our founding fathers learned from their past and had we followed our founding documents, we would not be in this mess.
          I have a problem with people spouting," we want a Constitutional government," and sticking with the same 2 party's that put us where we are today. I looked at the Constitution Party and it stands strictly on the founding documents, yet when I suggest that we back that party I get, "no , a 3rd party would split the vote." Well, what the heck, we have a one party system in D.C., so what do we have to lose by trying. The only difference is that the Democrats are open and fast track it and Republicans are sneaky and deceptive with it. If you go to the Constitution Party website, you find that the Republican Party is suing the Constitution Party.

    • The Watson

      In the confusion of a crash it would be very ease to break some one neck (accidentally of course). The Cold Case volunteers best release all the information (they have) now, before some of them and their families start having tragic accidents. Simpler things happen (plane crashes, car crashes & shootings) under the Clintons.

  • Tim

    Even if this loser fraud is prosecuted when the monster Hillary is installed she will just pardon him.

    • DaveM

      She will never withstand Benghazi

      • Tim

        I hope so brother.

  • Molly Nancy Owens
  • Buster Handcock

    Hand 'em high!

  • Larome

    My SourKaustic perception: In the event the alligations mentioned in the article have substance. Said proof will disappear as will the witnesses, if any. In any event this will not stop this President, but a subordinate may be found to fall on a sword for the President.

    • DaveM

      Only one response.....":We the People...."

    • ltneid

      This stuff has been floating around for five years without anything substantive coming out of it. No revelations here.

  • DaveM

    Great....I can only hope this is true and that they prove this idiot who is destroying America to be a fraud! No protection can be offered and just think.....all that he has signed and those who have supported him are treason and illegal laws! Repeal is automatic! Get it done! I love this idea of reality!

    • millerstwo

      It's already proven that Obama is doing everything in his power to tear down traditional America. I just hope and pray that this newly acquired 'earth shattering' news will kick start Congress into action and get reported in the main stream media or else what's the point?

      • ellen
        • millerstwo

          I agree, I think we heard this same claim from the same source a year or so ago. Regarding the "Birther" propaganda issued by the Marxists, very simple way to shut up the Republicans....provide the original birth certificate !!!!!

      • CaMaven

        Earth shattering news on Obama's eligibility has already been delivered and Congress has done .... squat.

    • ellen

      Dream on. It isn't true. Oh, and by the way, read the Constitution. Laws are not made by presidents but by Congress. If a president does not veto a law and simply does not sign it, IT GOES INTO EFFECT. You can rant and rage about "treason" all that you want to, but you are not supported by Congress or by such conservative leaders as Ann Coulter, or the National Review---or Gingrich, Santorum and Huckabee. Not even Cruz, Rubio and Rand Paul

      • Protonius

        Ellen -

        Your description of how a Federal bill becomes law is not quite right.

        (1) From the website http://www.usconstitution.net:

        "First, a bill must pass both houses of Congress by a majority vote. After it
        has passed out of Congress, it is sent along to the President. If the President signs the bill, it becomes law.

        "The President might not sign the bill, however. If he specifically rejects
        the bill, called a veto, the bill returns to Congress. There it is voted on again, and if both houses of Congress pass the bill again, but this time by a two-thirds majority, then the bill becomes law without the President's signature. This is called "overriding a veto," and is difficult to do because of the two-thirds majority requirement.

        "Alternately, the President can sit on the bill, taking no action on it at all. If the President takes no action at all, and ten days passes (not including Sundays), the bill becomes law without the President's signature.
        However, if the Congress has adjourned before the ten days passes and without a Presidential signature, the bill fails. This is known as a pocket veto."

        (2) Your comment also does not directly state, but implies, that the particular person who is currently serving as the nation's President has had (and still has) nothing to do with any Federal legislation being passed into law during his tenure; the implication is that all those laws were simply and unilaterally made by the Congress, without his signing a single one of those bills into law in the process. I will assume that that is not quite what you meant to say -- but it comes across that way.

        This current occupant of the Oval Office, like every one of his predecessors in that high office, bears tremendous responsibility for having signed, and signing, a great many pieces of Federal legislation into law. This is a fact.

        And, as in any instance -- past or present -- in which proposals for impeachment and conviction of a U.S. President were or may be or are under consideration, certainly the issues of how to deal with the fate of any legislation or laws that he/she had a hand in designing, influencing, rejecting, or signing into law -- or permitting to become law via his/her inaction on a bill submitted to him/her for his/her signature -- logically plays a role as to the potential ramifications of such a scenario. This too is neither a non-existent nor trivial issue -- especially if the charge is that the person serving as President may be, as some assert, illegally serving in that Office or acting unconstitutionally in regard to those pieces of legislation and those particular laws.

        Just a few Constitution-based and political-reality-based observations.

        • CaMaven

          Actually, most bills require committee vetting first and can be kept off the floor by the leaders. Some bills require a 60 vote Senate cloture vote first, although that was just reduced somewhat by invoking the so-called "nuclear option" by Harry Reid. Imagine- a 60 vote requirement being eliminated- by less than 60 votes. Dem's will rue the day when Republican s are again in charge. Treaties require a 2/3 vote. Bills or portions thereof can be litigated, constitutionality determined by courts and struck down. The Tenth Amendment can be invoked by states to nullify federal law, as has been dome for marijuana laws, gun control laws, E-Verify, Obamacare, Common Core and more.

  • http://www.monster-island.net/ kushibo

    Universe-shattering evidence, but we are supposed to wait until March. That alone smells fishy.

    • Sully Freeman

      March is closer to the 2014 elections.

  • sammy13

    “‘When this information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering,’ Mike Zullo told WND. ‘This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.’
    That is a pretty bold statement, considering nothing of any substance is contained in the story.

    Over at 'before its news', one can read a great deal on this deception and lie theory.
    beforeitsnews.com/googlesearch/?cx=partner-pub-7268876088039072%3A3vmk3c-6lgg&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=obama&sa=Search

    • CaMaven

      Yeah- he should STFU and stick to proven stuff until he has something new to actually produce,

    • ellen

      Re Zullo, Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse:

      'http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

  • CARLjr

    Now hang on a minute. I see the real conspiracy here.

    Lorretta Fuddy was not the state health department director that validated Obama's birth certificate - it was Dr. Chiyome Fukino who was the state health department director at the time.
    Fuddy didn't take office until March of 2011 after appointed by Gov. Neil Abercrombie who didn't take office until 2010. Even the WND article agrees with this.

    It was Chiyome Fukino who validated the birth certificate in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth arose. She was appointed by Republican governor Linda Lingle.

    So don't worry birthers, The official who verified the birth certificate is still alive and well.

    WND - whatchoo trying to pull?

    • CaMaven

      Carl- once again, you're out of your depth. Fuddy was in office 4/27/11, which is when Obama rolled out the faux BC, which he allegedly had picked up by his lawyer in Hawaii the previous day, when Fuddy was also in office. Repeating obot talking points will get you nowhere in this thread.

      Poor Gov. Abercrombie looked and looked, but said he couldn't find any BC after he had promised to do so. Then, POOF- it magically appeared via Ms. Fuddy :-)..

      The surviving officials' assurances ring hollow, since the Whitehouse BC image is a proven fraud. If a BC was picked up, if it exists, it was either fraudulent or not the same as what was posted on line, which is very obviously a digitally constructed document.

      Obots are frantically trying to spin it otherwise, but the cat's already out of the bag, horse is out of the barn, Pandora's box is wide open, Humpty-Dumpty is in pieces and all of the King's obots can't reassemble it now- LOL-LOL-LOL-LOL!

      • CARLjr

        Obama posted his birth certificate on 6/12/2008. Verified by Fukino who confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".He was then elected on 11/4/2008.
        This certificate is "prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."
        The second certificate is superfluous even though it was also verified by Fuddy in 2011.

        • ellen

          Re: "Obama posted his birth certificate on 6/12/2008. Verified by Fukino..."

          Well said, and not only Fukino confirmed, but the Registrar, Onaka, and the Republican governor, Libby, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a a child to a woman named Stanley.

          And there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961----and very very few 18-year-olds did in 1961, and EXREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers would like gullible people to just assume she was among the very very few to have a passport, and among the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii who have confirmed it are lying (and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent by the DOH and the teacher who wrote home. Well, there are still GULLIBLE people in the world.

        • CaMaven

          The most gullible people around are those who support the legend of "Obama," about who little is known and not a shred of valid legal proof exists that he is eligible for the presidency. We have no idea where he was born, because there is no VALID LEGAL PROOF. None. Digital images count for nothing. Especially forged digital images.

          He can't prove he's using a Social Security number assigned to him. He has a forged Selective Service registration, failed E-Verify, British archives strongly suggest he was born in Kenya. He flew to Hawaii just before election eve and had his grandmother burned the day she died-- and there is STILL no death certificate. Show me, since it's supposed to be a public record., He frantically struggles to hide all his records and spends a fortune to keep them hidden. There are dozens of mysterious deaths of individuals who could compromise him. Any one by itself could be just a coincidence, but collectively, the odds of those deaths and some of the circumstances approach zero probability.

          And occasionally something like this slips though the net: http://clashdaily.com/2013/11/boom-woman-claims-grew-obama-hawaii-describes-gay-cocaine-using-liar/

        • CARLjr
        • CaMaven

          Good grief. What is THAT supposed to be? Are Madelyn Dunham's death certificate, Obama's real birth certificate, Social Security number, draft registration, E-Verify validation and corrected literary biography in there somewhere?

        • CARLjr

          Oh, you want the DETAILED one

          http://www.truthmove.org/tmp/chart1.png

        • CaMaven

          Oh, THAT one I remember :-)

        • CaMaven

          Are you being deliberately obtuse, or does it just come naturally to you, hamburger boy?

          A proven forged digital image, not admissible in any court and not vetted, (as one of your allies wrote earlier on this thread), purporting to be a short form Certification (not certificate) of Live Birth, was posted on a web site by someone unknown belonging to one of Obama's former employers. That digital image, if it was genuine, which it turned out not to be, would only be an image of a document that says that there is SOMETHING on file, not necessarily a long form hospital birth certificate showing Hawaiian birth.

          Of course you already knew that such a document could easily be obtained with no proof of domestic birth and just an affidivait from arelative and that this was common practice and Hawaii had a notorious reputation for that, right? But, beacuse it was a forgey and because there is no chain of custody established and because it mysteriously just appeared on a web site linked to Obama, it has zero credibility. A proven forgery is prima facie evidence of exactly NOTHING and a digital document, even if it was genuine, has no legal weight. Any more questions? You're really not very good at this, fella.

          Fuddy and anyone else who participated in that fraud or even knowledgeable about it is guilty of either felony fraud or misprision of fraud.

        • ellen

          Re: "A proven forged digital image..."

          Answer. "Proven" by birther "experts" and only birther "experts," and they have not shown that they are even experts much less fair and impartial. The fact that Obama's enemies say "it is forged" does not show anything. In fact, Obama showed both the digital images of both his short form and long form BC and the actual physical copies of both of them to the press---and the fact that Hawaii sent them to him and that all the facts on them are correct has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican goveror, and friend of Sarah Palin's) and further confirmed by the public Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii.

          Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have
          called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts,
          much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not
          believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt
          Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

          One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

          Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the
          information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer
          form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The
          officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama.
          So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only
          way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it
          was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk
          looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially
          unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the
          Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a
          junior senator from Illinois.

          And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

          Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and
          experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the
          White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see
          nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

          Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several
          e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the
          White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the
          document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into
          it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting
          it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in
          Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the
          birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

          John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of
          the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no
          evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles
          on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was
          forged were unfounded.

          Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert,
          and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF
          document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing
          the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received
          Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s
          birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

          Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and
          Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and
          teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are
          evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not
          evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that
          come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks
          exactly like this,” he said.

          And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s
          relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture
          salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time;
          and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to
          spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of
          stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant
          daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

          (Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.)

        • CARLjr

          Caveman,
          The 2008 Certificate was verified as authentic by Hawaiian Department of Health spokeworman Janice Okubo.
          On 10/31/08 The Director of Hawaii's Department of health Chiyome Fukino issued a statement that the certificate was valid and that she and the Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka have personally verified the original birth certificate.
          This original 2008 document meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S, citizenship.

        • CARLjr

          In 2009 she made the following statement: "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago."

        • CaMaven

          Hamburger boy:
          It only implicates her more.
          1. No one can "certify" a digital image on a web site, with no paper traiul., no certified hard copy, no chan of custody. Please show me the document she did that with, because it would be illegal.
          2. Since it is a proven forgery, that would make her a criminal.

          In any case, Citizenship isn't good enough, since REAL Presidents are natural born Citizens: http://art2superpac.com/issues.html.

          You're not very good at this, are you?. Maybe you should be working at Carls Jr. Instead. Come to think of it, maybe you are.

        • CARLjr

          1. The actual document was at the campaign office of Obama back in 2008. Yes, the actual one - not a scan. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
          2. Again, not proven. I now hear that there is a copy of a birth certificate from a few days later - twin girls born at the same hospital. Prove to me that THEIR birth certificate is valid and how it differs from the "forged" Obama certificate.

          You are the one that isn't very good at this. You don't seem to know the facts about the case.

        • CaMaven

          LOL, youre pathetic- an embarrassment to the professional obots who memorize the right lines.

          "Factcheck?" LOL.Only an image has been made available., If they had their forged copy in the office, it's no help. Make it available for vetting. It is a forgery, having a forged seal.

          You can easily find the other certificates for some people born around that time in HI on line. As I've said before, they aren't kerned,aren't written with three different typewriters, not digitally constructed, etc. Tens of thousands of words have been written on them and analyses made. You're swimming against a stronger tide all the time, hamburger boy.

          By the way, even if you were right, we win, because it helps prove his father was never a citizen. Sr.was actually deported in 1964, something we did with illegal aliens back when we followed the law at least a little better.

          Any questions: http:/art2superpac.com/issues.html.

      • ellen

        Fuddy confimed Obama's birth certificate once. Fukino confirmed it TWICE, and she is still alive.

        • CaMaven

          The only thing they confirmed is that they are liars and criminals. It is a PROVEN forgery, obot Ellen (you sure do get around).-- and you know it.

          And Fuddy's dead for her troubles., What an astounding coincidence and chain of events. A plane crashes and co-conspirators who could fall if she is grillled on a witness stand and buckled were unable to save her. Awwww. But there are many such astounding events for people connected to Obama in ways that could threaten him. One such astounding coincidence is unlikely, but possible. That many are so astoundingly improbable that it approaches an impossibility,

        • ellen

          It's not even a forgery, much less a "proven forgery." Only birther "experts" have claimed that it is forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial.

          Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have
          called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts,
          much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not
          believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt
          Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

          One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

          Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the
          information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer
          form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The
          officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama.
          So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only
          way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it
          was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk
          looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially
          unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the
          Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a
          junior senator from Illinois.

          And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

          Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and
          experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the
          White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see
          nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

          Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several
          e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the
          White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the
          document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into
          it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting
          it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in
          Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the
          birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

          John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of
          the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no
          evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles
          on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was
          forged were unfounded.

          Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert,
          and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF
          document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing
          the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received
          Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s
          birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

          Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and
          Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and
          teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are
          evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not
          evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that
          come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks
          exactly like this,” he said.

          And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s
          relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture
          salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time;
          and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to
          spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of
          stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant
          daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

          (Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.)

        • CaMaven

          Ellen, Ellen, Ellen. You’ve been repeating the same debunked lies for years and have even added some new ones. Ho-Hum.

          First of all, I would hardly call Reed Hayes (a credentialed
          professional forensic document expert witness who works for Perkins Coie, the law firm of Obama and Robert Bauer- former White House Counsel and defender of the indefensible for Obama) a “birther.” However, he may have now become one after the shock of his discovering that a legally inadmissible digital image on the White House web site being proffered as proof Obama really wasn’t a usurper was proved by Reed to be a fraud. This indicates that he might in fact be a usurper- not a natural born Citizen. Otherwise, why would “pResident” Obama have a forged birth certificate on the web site of the most famous house in the world, which he squats in? Huh, huh? You DO know
          that Reed wrote and signed a comprehensive affidavit that blows your lying faux “experts” like Woodman right out of the water, right, Ellen? But, then so did Doug Vogt, Paul Irey, Mara Zebest, and many others. The evidence is overwhelming. Your B.S. is looking more and more hollow as the facts close in on your hero, sweetie.

          Also, it is impossible for a single scan to produce multi-layers to have developed layers the way it did- or at least so statistically unlikely as to be virtually impossible. Then, explain away the kerning, different fonts, evidence of at least three typewriters or devices used to write one birth certificate, forged seal, the (in)famous “signature” and all the other baggage. You guys are pathetic, weak liars. You either never studied the affidavits, videos, press conferences, or are in denial, or believe that you can lie your way through it. Yes, I read the excrement that Woodman wrote. If he is an “expert,” then he is a lying, spinning or incompetent one.

          Readers, ignore these obots. Instead, google the people I have mentioned and study their work., Compare it to that of the obots. I have. I would not be wasting my time if our case was weak. I doubt if we will convert the obots, but many of you others have listened and many more will when they see what is going on.

          Oh, by the way, Ellen, the short form was also only aforged digital image, mysteriously appearing on a web site owned by one of Obama’s former left wing employers, with no trail of custody, forged seal,“Africa” birthplace, hospital which won’t acknowledge him, etc. In any case, ANYONE could get a short form with no proof, just by filling out a simple affidavit. Stanley may have wanted to keep Zero’s options open by getting one. Smart thinking, even if she did hate “The United Snakes of Amerika.”

          Family impoverished?
          LOL. You seem to forget that Obama Sr. was on a full ride scholarship in
          the US of A, until he was deported for overstaying his visa circa 1964. He wasn’t flipping burgers or shaving ice after school. Harvard at that. Stanley Ann was linked both to the CIA and Frank Marshall Davis- interesting indeed. Both her parents were true believer Communists, with high connections.

          Re: “(Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it didnot happen.)”

          REALLY? … Well, then it disagrees with the British
          Empire archives, which probably kept better records back then and claim that a
          child was born to Obama Sr. in the British
          Protectorate of East Africa (Now “Kenya”) on August 4, 1961. Helluva coincidence, eh?

          And of course, there’s that pesky Kenyan birth certificate with the little footprint on it. Whaddya say we check that footprint against Zero’s and disprove that crazy conspiracy theory, eh? It worked so well when we checked the jizz stain on the infamous blue dress way back in ’99, eh?

        • Raymond Michael Borland

          CaMaven, I wrote ellen some of the same things but your paragraph does a thorough job debunking elen and others. Some people have their head buried in the sand and just refuse to look at evidence. It is not about who says the birth certificate is a forgery but about what is shown by examinng the birth certificate. What reason in the world would Obama generate a controversy about nothing if all was above board? He could have authorized release of his own b.c. or just gotten a copy of it and released the copy. yet refused and paid his team of lawyers $2 million to prevent public access to his papers. Wonder where Obama got $2 million on his rather small salary as president? Did taxpayers pay for this obstruction of justice?

        • Raymond Michael Borland

          ellen, they were not just birther experts, but the truth is the truth regardless of who examines the released birth certificate. Jerome Corsi wrote a book about Obama's birth certificate. Later Lord Monckton released a 45 page signed affidavit that included scores of analyses of the White House released document that show it is a forgery beyond all statistical odds. Did you read Monckton's affidavit and look at the evidence yourself? Typed in entries did not line up, the spacing between letters varied which does not happen when one typewriter is used to type all the information, and what I find the most convincing is that the document had layering using software only present in today's computer era and not around when Obama was born. They used typewriters and photocopy machines back then. The typed in entries had a clear halo around them whereas typed information on the original b.c. was on security paper that had continuous lines with the typed letters right on top of the lines. IT is a forgery. just open your eyes and do a little research and reading. The media and democrates have stonewall all criticism of Obama and are still doing it. We can't get facts about Bhengazi. Obama ordered all people there who were involved in the attack to swear to secrecy and not even discuss anything with Congressional committees. One final note: A document expert who worked for the law firm that is protecting Obama's records from public access agreed to examine the released so=called birth certificate and he said it was a forgery. he was hardly a birther.

        • Harold

          I happen to think BO [BOStinks!] was born in HI. The father's citizenship is a moot point because we have already had a POTUS [Chester A Arthur] with a dad who was a citizen of another country.

          However, many of your arguments are lacking in relevance. Such and such official was a Rep. AND? McCain is an "R" and i WOULDN'T TRUST HIM TO FLIP BURGERS.

          Such and such expert said %$#& . I have appeared as an expert in trials, helping the defense win. "Experts" from me to Stephen Hawking are a dime a dozen and OFTEN WRONG! [especially Hawking]

          The only things important about BO [everybody knows BO stinks] are the things HE ADMITS!

          And the things BO [!!!] admits tell intelligent, grown up folk that he has no cultural, INTELLECTUAL, emotional, [even one of his former officials who STILL supports him, WROTE that BO is very COLD] or SPIRITUAL connection with the character of America!

          YOUR man is a "manchurian candidate!" He is a NWO euro-socialist. I was THE SAME for the middle 1/3 of my life. His ONLY intent is to be THE ONE who goes down in history books leading the USA into the NWO. 30 years ago WE knew the best way to accomplish that was to destroy the economic, cultural & military standing of the USA.

          BO [!!!] is well along in his, HOAX & CHAINS.

    • Raymond Michael Borland

      Carljr, what does validate mean? Unless you release a real copy of the original birth certificate someone''s word means nothing. there have been so many lies concerning Obama I am surprised you believe someone saying ,"I can't let anyone see or examine the real birth certficate but trust me I saw it. Abercrombie said there was no b.c. in the files from what I heard. A certificate of birth is not a legally valid document. it is not signed and notarized by the doctor who delivered Obama in the hospital. It is just a health department document saying they have a record of Obama's birth in Hawaii. Please look up the difference between a Certificate of Birth and a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Whether it is true that a document exists in the Hawaiian files is doubtful since Gov. Abercrombie, said there was none. Thousands of non-USA Japanese tried to get US citizenship to get the benefits of being American after WW II left them in a devastated economy for many years.

      I needed a certified copy of my own birth certicate for membership in an genealogy organization. i wrote the dept of Health in the state where i was born, paid $5.00 0r $10.00 and was promptly mailed a certified copy. You tell me why Obama hired a team of lawyers and spent $2 million in legal fees to keep all his records inaccessible to the public?

      • CARLjr

        Raymond - they did release a real copy of the birth certificate. It was at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago and was even examined by Factcheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
        You are wrong about Abercrombie saying there was no birth certificate. You are thinking about HDH saying that it is illegal to make a copy of the "long form". Only through special permission did they make the exception when they released that document in 2011.
        The $2million dollar legal fees number is a little skewed, that is Obama's entire legal costs - not just for the birther suits. He did have lawyers fight the accusations - why wouldn't he? They have been able to prove - over 200 times that he is a natural citizen and meets the qualifications to be the President.

  • jb Andrews

    Keep on working and talking about this until it breaks through the veil of the main stream media who should be tarred and feathered for their conspiracy to cover this up !!

    • ellen

      Cover up what? A plane crash in which a 65-year old woman is the one that is killed?

  • ltneid

    For all of this conspiracy to work out, a bunch of stuff would have to be done by a lot of people.
    Let's say that Ms. Fuddy did help fake the BC. Now, years later, she's started to get cold feet because Sheriff Joe's crack Cold Case Posse was getting close. The Obama cabal knew they had a weak spot in the circle of a hundred or so people, which would not be an unusual situation. I can't say much that's complimentary about the competence of the WH right now, but I don't think their solution to the problem to be this. Gather eight people together to volunteer to crash an airplane in the ocean to cover up the murder of one woman? I'm sure they could figure out a cleaner way to do it without pulling eight people into a murder conspiracy.
    Give me a break.

    • sc

      it would not take eight people, all it that would be needed is one pilot that could fake a crash with seven unsuspecting people on board, i don't know if there will be a autopsy done on the body but it would not surprise me to find that she was dead before the crash.

      • ellen

        There would have to be both the pilot and at least one of the passengers who made sure that Fuddy died and did not swim away, and then the other six passengers would have had to have not noticed the killer. Not very likely.

        • ellen

          Oh, and Fuddy's predecessor, Fukino, confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii TWICE, and she is still alive.

        • Raymond Michael Borland

          ellen, I am not sure what you mean confirmed twice that Obama was born in Hawaii. There was no confirmation until the so-called birth certificate was released. prior to that they would not release the b.c. even to Obama which is absurd. Anyone can get a copy of your own b.c. They stated they had papers that confirmed he was born in Hawaii but did not release the b.c. They did release a certificate of birth which has not legal authority whatsoever and did not prove Obama's birth in Hawaii. It was the woman who was killed in the airplane crash that finally made the decision to release the birth certificate and it is the one full of evidence of being a forgery.

        • Tewana Secumbah

          The success behind any murder is to go to the extremes necessary to make it look like it wasn't a murder. I think one person could have done this, but more likely that two would have. I think it's possible to kill someone in a situation like this without others noticing. But, in any case, you have to look at the people on board. Who are they? Are they connected in any way? Was it a real crash? Were they swimming for their lives instead of watching someone else die? Did they slip Fuddy a fatal drug in a drink? Some other way before the crash that wouldn't have killed her until after the crash? Where was she sitting? In the rear behind all the others? I guess there's just too much to consider before ruling it out. What I find odd is that out of all these people, the one connected to Barack Obama is dead!

      • ltneid

        If that were the case, then all of the people on board would have to be in on it, unless flying dead bodies around in airliners is a common occurrence in Hawaii.

  • Stanlet Head

    My concern is the news media ana judges said; well he was ellected so he must be O.K. What law is that? How much money and help are the foreign nations puting into his coffers. Isn't forign influnce in an Ameican election illigal? These news shows that keep covering the trouth should have their advertiser questioned.Maybe the owners would like to sell Items Honest people will not buy.

  • http://www.de-navarro.com dnav

    I could tell by the circumstance that it was not foul play, but people do get back what they give in life and if this woman was party to fraud, the biggest evil fraud ever perpetrated on the American people, then she opened herself up to the forces of universal justice which no man can control and which is not in man's hands. Some people reap what they sow sooner than others. Obama will be exposed and the evil he has sown will revisit him before his life is up.

    • Don't Even Try It!

      ...can't be too soon for me!

  • Virginia Lindsey

    You all talk a good game, but take the situation as it is! First, who is going to arrest the potus? Do you not think the Secret Service might have a say? Second, I know that the AG would probably short stop any attempt to do it legally. Congress???????? you have got to be living in some parallel universe if you think they will act to do anything. Third and probably, most scary, even if "we the People" had indisputable proof of the fraud that he is what are you going to do when he declares "Martial Law" because someone is threatening the office of the President of the United States (real or fancied?) Would our military step in to support "We the People" or to protect the office of the President of the United States? What about all those "low information" voters who support the Potus? What riots would erupt when they found out that their guy was under assault? We have some very VERY serious problems. This "they" that many of you speak of can be very elusive!

    • Suzye

      The military can arrest him for treason.

    • kibitzer3

      "Can be very elusive." yes. But not entirely incapable of being found.

      Some answers - or at least, responses - to your questions, Virginia.

      No. 1: Yes, the Secret Service would have a say. But it all depends on how the cards are shown to them. If the situation has come to an unwillingness of the Usurper to stand down, after his usurpation and his lies and deceits have been duly exposed to public view, a deal can be arranged between the S.S. and the military - the latter of whose loyalties, and very oath, are, let us be reminded, to the Constitution. Not to the person in the office. This is not old Rome, with a Praetorian Guard guarding the Emperor. Yet.

      Nos. 2a & 2b. Yes, it is certainly the case that the AG is in cahoots with his criminal of a boss. And will go down with him, in a court of law. And Congress????? You are very correct. Very sad to say. The Profiles of Courage emanating from that quarter of American society vanished a long, long time ago. A pity. To be corrected.

      No. 3. Already dealt with that one. The U.S. military's loyalty, via their oath, is to the Constitution of the United States of America. Not to the person in the office as their Commander in Chief; and ESPECIALLY not to a Usurper in that position.

      No. 4. 'Low information voters'. Aka blacks - predominantly - on welfare. My position is that it is a bit of an insult to them to think, and argue, that welfare and low-income blacks can't understand hard facts when they are presented with them; to say, facts about the illegality and other criminal actions of the man who calls himself Barack Hussein Obama. He will have been proven to be a terrible disappointment to them. There are plenty of other blacks in America - good, solid, QUALIFIED American black citizens - who can rise to the occasion, and be a person of respectable leadership for them; male AND female; and bring honor back to their race.

      And lastly; Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus. And his REAL identity is the goodness - the rightheartedness - of the American People.

      • Tewana Secumbah

        It would take a federal warrant with federal officers to arrest him. The SS can stand down once that happens. They don't have authority over the federal warrant or the officers dispatched to arrest him. But, don't think a warrant of any kind is coming any time soon. The military is not even involved...period! Public opinion will have to drive this, and public opinion will take it no where.

  • Peter Furman

    5 years of Tyranny! A totally Failed system of "Checks and Balances,the evisceration of our Constitutional Republic by a group of Tyrants,a system of Tyranny that is the FIRST order of business if America,the country where millions and millions of "Legal" immigrants risked everything,worked indefatigably to build with honor,pride,sacrifice,too often severe injury or death is Our legacy and NO one can change THAT!

  • GrannyInGeorgia

    Yep...obummers birth certificate is a complete "Fuddy duddy", and now no one is willing to correct the problem even if it is a lie. What a sad state of affairs we live in and embarrassing to say the least.

    • S. Wicks Jr

      Wouldn't that make biden the prez if obamy is NOT legitimate?! Oh my GOD, we are in deep doo-doo!!!! The demo craps have lied once again!

      • NoU4EN

        Exactly why the puppet masters picked crazy Joe, knowing that we would have these sentiments. But crazy as he is, I don't think he's as dangerous as Obama.

      • sc

        most likely not as he was on the ticket with the imposter and also knew that barry was not eligible so that also makes him guilty of perpetrating a fraud for personal gain.

  • del

    All most all of us know this jerk is a disaster and a fraud....He is unfit and morally corrupt , hates our country, has no class and is a total embarasment to We the People. His huge cash outlays to hide every document and record about his past, plus no one coming forth who knew him, plus has propensity for lying and lying about his lying are truly disgusting. We must oust him now and this should have been done when he illegally ran for president under the corrupt and paid for soros stooge pelosi. Even the old crooks clintons knew he was a fraud!

    • S. Wicks Jr

      BUT, he is a democrat and they are here to rule... NOT!!!!!

      • rosemarienoa

        That is their goal all right!!! No matter what illegal stuff they have to do, they will get their way!!!

  • ONTIME

    It isn't that tough to have the court open his restricted information to a hand picked committee composed of elected officials, FBI and selected enforcement officials to have them all examined and if they arouse suspicion then the demand that Hi turnover the alleged BC and the DNC turn over the papers they claimed vetted the Faker to be a candidate is the next step...This is just political horse crap and the flow of money and favors going around...

    • rosemarienoa

      Those people are all in it with him!!! They wont tell the truth because it will expose them too!!!

  • ARNOLD CARL TAPP

    >>> BALONEY AND B . S . WE HAVE READ MANY TIMES THAT ARPAIO , ZULLO AND THE
    'COLD CASE POSSE ' HAVE EARTH SHATTERING NEWS ABOUT THE BIRTH OF obummer .
    IT IS LIKE THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF TOO MANY TIMES . WE WILL BE GLAD IF THESE GUYS EVER EXPOSE AND REVEAL THE INFO ABOUT AN IMPOSTER IN OUR WHITEHOUSE . <<<
    ----------------- AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE HAVE A PRESIDENT . ---------------------------

    • CARLjr

      Send them another $40 and they will "work" on it and get back to you.

    • CDD

      ... It has a DICTATOR instead!!!!!!! Welcome to AMERIKASTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • CaMaven

      Mr. Tapp is a fine American patriot, spreading the truth to many people on varied topics of interest.

  • larrygrant876

    The bottom line regarding all of this is, anyone who hates America and the American people as Obama does is not an American, period. But I guess if we just calm down and wait it out he'll come to his senses and will renounce both communism and Islam and he'll try to undo all the intentional damage to a country he suddenly loves, yeah right.

    • rosemarienoa

      Dream on!!!!

      • larrygrant876

        Has your welfare check been spent already? People who don't get how dangerous Obama is are generally one of three things, 1.Freeloading off the taxpayers, 2. Democrats who vote democrat no matter what it costs the country or 3. Stupid

    • ellen

      Obama, a Natural Born Citizen, received a majority of electoral votes, and in fact nearly five million more votes than Mitt Romney. That makes him the president. That is how the system works. YOU may feel that he hates America, but the majority of the electoral votes in the election did not and the majority of voters did not. Obama will be president until January 20016, and if anything were to happen, Joe Binden would become president.

      • CaMaven

        "Obama will be president until January 20016, and if anything were to happen, Joe Binden would become president." (this was in your original posting)

        If he lasts that long, the country is truly doomed. Who is" Joe Binden?" I hope he's not even dumber than Biden, if that's even possible. There were specific racial terms that had to be used on HI BC's and "African" wasn't one of them.

        Ellen, sweetheart, the British archives show a child , unnamed, born to Obama, Sr. in the British Protectorate of East Africa, not the "Kenyan Colony," or "Kenya," VERY coincidentally on 8/4/1961. Imagine that. Sr. had a lot of progeny, but THAT is another extraordinary coincidence, meaning he would have been banging two sluts on 2 continents at about the same time, quite a feat even for such a stud. But, it is conceivable that Obama Sr. or Stanley told the hospital to write down "Kenya" and the rubes in both the hospital AND DOH didn't know any better, although I've read that the DOH people back then were stickers for detail. Not like modern HI DOH employees who first can't find a birth certificate at all, then when enough juice is applied, discover one with 63 anomalies. Or, it is conceivable that he wasn't born there at all, but Ma perjured herself with an affidavit saying he was. Or, he was born there under very different circumstances, to a different father, or no father of record.

        And votes do not override the Constitution, although it appears that many of them were fraudulent.

        • ssilv48

          CaMaven, I can only hope you are running for a Congressional position. It appears you are on top of the ball and can explain yourself very well, If your living in Florida, we have a spot for you.

        • CaMaven

          Thank-you, but I have an extremely low tolerance for B.S., so I could never be successful as a politician. Also live in the Peoples Republic of CA, in a district which elected a rep who makes Nancy Pelosi look like a Republican.

      • CARLjr

        He will be president for the next 18,003 years. (or Binden will)

      • michael lawless

        ellen hows your mellon smellin?
        rotten i guess

      • ssilv48

        dumbuttellen, oboma is not a citizen of the United Stated as far as I can tell, All anyone has seen is falsified paperwork and a father that was a British subject which on both accounts makes mr oboma inelligible no matter what criminal activities got him there and not one congress member has done their job. ellen, you can wish all you want that mr oboma is a president of the United States, but legally, and history will come to the truth, mr oboma can never be a president of the United States. Wish all you want, he is illegal. Please give all members on this board one piece of evidence that mr oboma is a citizen and not by the falsified paperwork. No one has ever seen any legal paperwork on oboma

  • Chuck Frank

    4 Simple
    Questions

    1. Back in 1961 people of color were
    called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate'
    state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time
    ?

    2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's
    birth as August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big
    deal, Right ? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father
    is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya , East Africa
    ".

    This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact
    that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after
    Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's
    father have been born in a country that did not yet Exist? Up and until
    Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa
    Protectorate". (check it below)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya)

    3. On the Birth Certificate released by
    the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity &
    Gynecological Hospital".
    This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in
    question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani
    Maternity Home", Respectively.
    The name did not change to Kapi'olani
    Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two
    hospitals merged.
    How can this particular name of the hospital be on a
    birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until
    1978 ?

    (CHECK IT BELOW)
    http://http/http/www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default
    .aspx
    (http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx)

    Why hasn't this been discussed in the major
    media ?

    4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father.
    He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not
    a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth
    certificate" says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born.
    That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936-if my
    math
    holds (Honest! I did That without a calculator!!!) Now we need a
    non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's
    goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how
    many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II
    his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old.

    • ellen

      Re: “In 1961 people of color were called “Negroes.” So how can the
      Obama “birth certificate” state he is “African-American” when the term
      wasn’t even used at that time?”

      ANSWER: First it does not say “African-American.” It says “African.” Only African.

      The explanation is simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word
      you wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one
      stood over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii
      of people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use
      any word you wanted.

      And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: African.

      Re: 2. “… Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after
      Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s
      father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until
      Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the “British East Africa
      Protectorate”.”

      Answer. You are out of date with that name. Kenya stopped being
      called the British East African Protectorate in 1920. In that year it
      was renamed. What was the name? THE KENYA COLONY.

      In short, it was called Kenya (Kenya short for “The Kenya Colony”),
      and it was in East Africa, so the entry Kenya, East Africa is correct.

      Re: “3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the
      listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological
      Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961
      were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity
      Home”, respectively. ”

      Answer: You are referring to two other hospitals. But, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.

      How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for
      the Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and
      what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Answer:
      Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

      As for the last question, Obama’s book simply does not say that his
      father was in WWII. It says that his GRANDfather was in WWII, and his
      grandfather really was in WWII. Perhaps someone who told you this failed
      to see the GRAND in GRANDfather. But, it is there. Why not check these
      very simple things before posting???

    • ssilv48

      Chuck, there are 53 mistakes on oboma's fake Certificate of Live Birth, on top of his number on his Birth Certificate is 3 numbers higher than a set of female twins born 3 days after oboma. oboma will be known as the most deceived man ever brought upon any nation to date.

      • CARLjr

        So they have the female twins birth certificate? Have the document experts "verified" them to be authentic? Why have we not seen the comparison between the GOOD/AUTHENTIC birth certificate and the BAD/FORGERY birth certificate?

        • ssilv48

          Carl, that is the questions that should have been answered a long time ago. I saw some video where clinton questioned his eligibility and all of the sudden the question was never brought to attention and big but h never asked the question again, just played STUPID, I believe that 0boma threatened bill and hillary's daughter and the question was never brought up again. And ever since, the question has never been answered. Just like Benghazi, hillary could not do her job on obomas eligibility, she could not deal with a threat to her family, let alone take care of American people and their best interest. I'm not sure how hillary thinks she can keep the American people safe when she could not even protect her own family or have the balls to take on a threat. The questions for mr oboma to answer are very simple one's, but he always beats around the racist card to not answer the questions. Me, i woulld have pinned his as and put him in jail along with moochele, as she lost her lawyer license because she filed falsified paperwork on mr oboma and the feds were going to prosecute her for it, but because she dropped her license, for some ignorant reason, they stop prosecuting her. She needs to be held accountable, this is why they are where they are at, because no one is held accountable to date.

        • Raymond Michael Borland

          ssilv48, you state the truth. Hillary did question Obama's eligibility and then suddenly dropped the issue. i also heard Chelsea was threatened as a way to get the Clinton's "in line." remember this is Chicago politics at it worse. The ends justify the means.

        • ssilv48

          Ray, it's chicago politics at it's best, they have always been criminal. They are all criminals and need to be put in jail. Until these crooks are held accountable, the criminal activities will continue.

        • CARLjr

          Have any of the document experts who have gone into exhaustive detail on Obama's records - taken a look at this other birth certificate and determine if it was a forgery? I have never seen a comparison to show what a "valid" certificate looks like and how Obama's is different.

        • CommonCents

          nobody has ever been able to explain any of the several problems with obama's forged photoshop. not a single one, ever.

        • ssilv48

          jr, been done, congress has done nothing to date, as usual. This is just one of the reasons congress has such a low approval number, I believe it is in the single digits now. Just as the fraudulent voting machines congress has done nothing even after a 2 1/2 hr lecture by the inventor on how this could be done to make anyone they want to win by 1% or 100%, what has congress done,,,,,,,,,NOTHING, if they took the time to do their jobs, when they leave office, they would not have their millions of dollars that were stolen from the American Tax Payer in their bank account

      • jcarsc

        Should make everything he has signed NULL and VOID.

    • Rich

      Everything in your post is the truth. I am disgusted and frightened that there is a majority of people in this country who are either too shallow or stupid to learn the truth about this man.
      The reason for the confusion regarding Obama's father is because his biological father was Frank Marshal Davis, who probably was in his twenties during WWII. Ann Dunham's marriage to Obama senior was arranged so he would not be deported and to explain her pregnancy.

    • jcarsc

      This is great work. I hope Sheriff Joe reads this. Have not seen some of this before. Send it to him personally.

    • Harold

      good stuff Chuck !!!!!

      I use a program called "surf anonymous free" I think I'd get it if I were you. I also use mi sspellin onpurpose!

  • kibitzer3

    I would feel better about this whole thing, Gary, if 'conservatives' like you didn't say such things as Obama's lying about "the constitutionality of his presidential qualifications based on where he was born". We need to get our constitutional facts straight about this matter, and quick, or 'patriots' are going to start fighting amongst ourselves, and in the process, let the Usurper off the hook. To say: Obama was, and still is, ineligible for that office REGARDLESS of where it turns out he was really born. He was and is ineligible for that office (and that federal office ONLY; not an unimportant, mere 'detail') based on his being a DUAL CITIZEN. End of story. Or it should have been; until the Republican leadership sold out the American People on this issue, by failing to follow up on it properly in the 2008 election - for their own reasons, apparently.

    This is not rocket science stuff. Briefly: The constitutional Framers put the requirement for a candidate for the office of the president at a higher 'citizen' category level than for any other federal office - who need be simply a U.S.'citizen' - for one reason and one reason only: so that the person occupying that particular office did not have any FOREIGN CONNECTIONS, ALLEGIANCES, OR INFLUENCES. (This was for one critical reason in particular: because that person was also going to be the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces. The Framers didn't want any foreign intriguers - and ESPECIALLY not the English - to try to worm their way into power and influence in the new federal republic at the very top.)

    So the 'citizen' qualification for that office was set at the person running for/holding it needing to be BOTH born on the soil (jus soli) and of two U.S. citizen parents (jus sanguinis) - PLURAL. Got it?? NO DUAL CITIZENS, with the consequent CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES.

    The Obama camp has tried to argue that the qualifying term in the Constitution, 'natural born citizen,' only rules out a 'naturalized' citizen for that office. What rubbish. A DUAL citizen has no more business being in that position than a NATURALIZED citizen. The WHOLE POINT OF THE EXERCISE was to RULE OUT ANY FOREIGN INFLUENCE at the head of the American Republic.

    What's not to understand about this matter??? Actually, I know a large part of why it has been obfuscated. And you can blame the Republican Party honchos for this; because they obviously did a deal with their Democrat Party counterparts, back during the '08 election campaign. Saying, to wit: 'We won't say anything about your candidate if you won't say anything about our future candidates, laboring under the same 'difficulty'.' Why do I assume this? Because both major political parties tried a total of eight times between 2003 and 2008 to get a Constitutional amendment starting through Congress to water down this requirement - and failed even to get their proposals out of committee every time. (The players on the ground there obviously realizing how difficult it would be to get such an amendment through the whole amending process. Such a process, not so incidentally, made difficult for just that very reason: that the Constitution would not be changed for light and transient reasons, was a national contract conceived for the ages.)

    The Republican Party honchos (and TPTB behind THEM), looking down the road with the long view, must have seen the need to 'broaden their base' with a presidential candidate or candidates who could appeal to the growing minority classes in the nation. And so, being the arrogant sorts of persons that they are, they decided to conduct an end-around play on the Constitution. (Treating it like "just a damn piece of paper". Remember that thinking on the subject, emanating from the top on the far Right???)

    When the Constitutionalists have taken their country back from the nation slayers on the Left, there will be a time and place to take care of these vipers on the top of the pyramid of power in the country (and the world, for that matter). But first things first: Do not let yourself be lured off onto the shoals, by the siren songs of stooges. If the Republican Party tries to put up an illegal candidate for the office - and we can't take our federal constitutional republic back through the Republican Party - then we'll have to do it otherwise.

    The 'Patriot' Party has a nice, solid ring to it. We're not looking for just a Conservative Party, because there are plenty of Democrats who don't like the way the far Left wing of their party has taken it. (Can you see Jefferson and Jackson turning over in their graves as we speak???) The nation needs to come together in the center, first; and then we can debate our differences. But ENOUGH! of these rustlers who are trying to hijack the nation, treating us like cattle in the process, to be herded and slaughtered at their will.

    At their won't, that is. Not if the likes of We the People have anything to do with it. And get off our couches and rise to the occasion; which it is our generation of Americans to do.

    • CaMaven

      Well-said.

    • ellen

      Re: "He was and is ineligible for that office (and that federal office ONLY; not an unimportant detail) based on his being a DUAL CITIZEN."

      Every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen. If the writers of the US Constitution had meant to bar the US-born children of foreigners from becoming president or to bar US-born dual citizens from becoming president, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and they never did.

      And not one of the writers of the US Constitution has a single phrase in his writings that indicates that he used the term Natural Born Citizen other than the common use at the time, the use in the COMMON LAW, and the meaning in the common law referred to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents and not even to dual nationality.

      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United
      States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate
      Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch
      (R-UT).

      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle
      of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other
      than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from
      birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural
      born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however,
      is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural
      born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et
      al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was
      Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a
      well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States
      citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham
      (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      • Big Al

        The fact that Obama's father was not a citizen of the United States precludes Obama from being eligible to be elected President of the U.S.A. What's more, it hasn't been proven that Obama was born in the U.S. There is clearly something fishy about his birth, other than his father not being a citizen, or Obama would not have had all of his records sealed, and paid millions to keep them sealed.

        • Harold

          POTUS Chester A Arthurs dad [and they really knew who it was] was never an American citizen.

        • Don39

          Whether true or not is immaterial! We who cry foul today were not around to cry foul then and are not responsible. If that's all you have, you have nothing!

        • Harold

          It is precedent. BO [BOStinks!] would get a bye because the SC looked at it in Arthur's presidency. Same thing will be argued for Cruz.

          Like impeachment, it will never happen.

      • zanografix

        ellen bullcrap if that were the case then bring it before the court. No it is an issue of citizenship without foreign connections. If you have noticed the democrats have been consistently attempting to chance any interpretation of the NBC clause anywhere it occurs. They know Obama is just as ineligible as Cruz and Rubio.

      • CaMaven

        Wrong as always, Ellen: http://art2superpac.com/issues.html

      • jondarmes

        I guess you flunked National & state government.

      • michael lawless

        even if he wass born in america he couldnt be more unfit to be pres
        what had he accomplished before being handed the thrown NOTHING
        he can even agree with himself
        he has gone against everything he said as a senator
        best place for abozo is maybe at best a job at aljezeera

      • Don39

        Regarding your first para, you are an idiot, because that is exactly what ,natural born' citizen means. The forefathers could not foresee that this nation would become a nation of idiots like you that could be duped, so they simply relied on natural law that people then understood, or at least intelligent ones did. They knew that 'natural born citizen' meant one born to a citizen father! And don't try that stupid crap about mothers either, at the time mothers had not even the right to vote! When you people. schemers, start to manipulate the law we people, patriots and conservatives, know it is your intent to circumvent or violate the law! PS; Orin Hatch is no Constitutional expert or upholder having turned a blind eye to the violations of the Constitution and having participated in the rape of the Constitution for many years and to this day!

    • Harold

      What about Chester A Arthur? I think his Presidency pretty well kills any disqualifying from the fathers status. His father [and they actually knew who it was] was never anything else but a British [or actually Irish] citizen.

      Actually,I doubt seriously that the "universal sperm receptacle" knew who "baby'sdaddy" was!

      I also seriously wonder if we don't have a real live "Damien" on our hands, and I am being absolutely serious!

    • David Weakland

      In reference to your inference that the Republican party is doing an "end-around play on the Constitution", the Republican Party's hands are tied by a court order. http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

      • kibitzer3

        Thanks for this link, David. Well worth looking into.

        Two different issues. But they all add up, to one thing:

        Corruption in high places. They ALL need to go, and a clean sweep made of the federal political scene. And The People in each state doing it for their state as well.

        America must True Its Vote. Or perish, at the hands of tyrants.

  • I'm ready when you all are

    Every time they say there is more and earth shattering but we can't tell you now but it's coming. I believe them but come on and let it all out already. Are they waiting till there is no America left to listen to them.

    • crankyoldone

      I'm still waiting for Snowdens " doomsday cache " . I sure hope nothing happens to him .

      • CARLjr

        Here you go. There is something to ACTUALLY impeach the president over. Not this birther nonsense. Who all has the Snowden documents? The Guardian - NYTimes - Washington Post. There may be others. But they got essentially all the documents.

        So instead of blathering on about a smudge on the page of the Honolulu paper with baby Barack's birth announcement - someone could do some reporting and find out who has these documents and why have they not been released? If the administration was going to murder anyone to keep them quiet, I would look at the three newspapers above.

        • crankyoldone

          I'm not sure I ( or you ) understand ? Your saying because "newspapers" MIGHT have documentation that that is ENOUGH to impeach ?? I don't think so . Have you looked into the " Sheriff's Kits " ? They are being givin to both senators & congressmen . Their photos are being taken as they except them . This is HOW we force the issue . We EXPOSE ALL of those who are in on it . We stop WILLING going along with this CRAP ! 53% of all tax $ go to WAR and this next war will be on us , the PATRIOTS !

        • CARLjr

          What I am saying is the Snowden documents are not in the hands of the government, they are in the hands of these three newspapers. (and other hidden places) If there is a doomsday cache of files that would be even MORE damaging to this administration or of the US government in general - these guys have it.

          Building the worlds largest data collection center to capture and archive every single phone call & email - is a REAL threat and a breach of the Constitution. I don't think this was started by Obama, but he is complicit and probably took it further than his predecessors.

          You want to impeach Obama - this is the place to be looking. Not in the scanning "anomalies" on the documents from Hawaii.

        • crankyoldone

          I agree with most of what you've said . Problem is it WAS the media who brainwashes all . They will do nothing . They have who they want . It's up to us now . No one wants any violence to fall upon our Country . Well at least not the people .

          I really do like the Sheriff's Kits . I think we could make something happen .

        • CARLjr

          Joe Arpaio has no jurisdiction and is running a media scam with WND.

          Take action. But not violence.

          Go after the real stuff that is out there and admitted to. Find out what else Snowden (and to a much lesser extent - Wikileaks) has as evidence against the illegal actions of the government. What has already been released is certainly damning enough. This breach is shocking, astounding, depressing, incredibly illegal and ominous. The silence is deafening.

          Continuing to discuss Obamacare as if it were the most important thing after we found out what the government (or at least the DoD) is doing, shows how complicit the Republicans are.

          British secret service MI6 forced the Guardian to destroy hard drives that had Snowden's documents. Has the New York Times also been visited and forced to destroy these files?

        • TheNSAisReadingThis
        • RonMar

          LOL, "doctor," you're playing lawyer again, also political pundit and media critic. I suppose that fits with you proctology practice given the place from which you pull your posts with no evidence you are even a real doctor.

        • CaMaven

          The Hawaiian stuff- and the Constitution, are not for impeaching him. It's for NULLIFYING his faux "presidency" and wiping out everything he ever signed.

          Impeachment is another matter. There are dozens of offenses.

        • CARLjr

          Why waste your time on the cold case with a long history of failures when you have a hot case with demonstrable proof? Why did the press focus on the leaker - Snowden - instead of the REAL story and make the administration answer for these transgressions?

          You have no chance of nullification. But if you don't do anything about this stuff.....you are implying that you go along with it. There is such laser focus on old controversies that the new stuff just goes by without much discussion. Why continue to fight about Obamacare when you can extract Obama with this enormous breach of the Constitution and international laws and put in someone who can replace it? Why have the Republicans not shifted focus to this serious offense? Because they are complicit and maybe even started the whole thing with the Patriot Act.

          Leave people who have no jurisdiction out of the limelight. We need to know what is actually happening, not personality stories about key players. This is not about heroes or villians - it is about the actions taken (and not taken) and how we can get our privacy back.

        • TheNSAisReadingThis
    • jenna

      Congress is also trying which is republican and Senate is democrat. Do you think the SENATE is going to agree? They are trying to get OBAMA to bypass Congress and run for a third term! I am afraid for Joe since so many are showing up dead and he is telling and giving hints of what's to come. He needed to keep information hush hush until it is released. I fear for his life!

    • lara

      THEY USUALLY END OP DEAD BEFORE THE NEWS COMES OUT..BE QUIET TILL YOU GET IT OUT..

  • NancyOakley

    Our current president has provided zero paperwork to prove that he is who he says he is. All we have is a dubious online computer file. If that is good enough to be president, then I should be able to take my laptop with a computer generated birth certificate on it to the post office to get a passport, right?

    • CARLjr

      If it is personally verified by the director of your birth state's Department of Health, the Registrar of Vital Statistics and the Governor, then yeah, you probably could.

      • NancyOakley

        "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

      • CaMaven

        So, you're saying it's good to have corrupt friends in high places.

  • jd1958

    How can you blame Barry for wanting a selfie with a good looking white woman. Moochelle looks like a ticked off gorilla. Sorry gorillas......it's true. She looks like you.

    • jocasseejo

      ABW~Angry Black Woman~Snap!

    • michael lawless

      why is she worried?
      he is a bath house boy?

    • Harold

      "Bing" photos of the PM. Boy she is after something! Big change!

  • Knife10

    If it takes this much time and effort just to get the truth about Obama, what will it take to get him out of office?

    • CARLjr

      The end of his term.

      • Knife10

        And that may be the reason Obama has issued over 166 executive orders (according to https://www.federalregister.gov) giving the president authority over nearly everything (according to what I have read on the internet) in the event he finds it "necessary" to suspend the Constitution and impose martial law: I don't personally believe he's planning to leave office. The democrats are currently talking about ending the two term limit imposed by Amendment 22 to the Constitution. If they take the House back in the 2014 elections and retain control of the Senate, repealing the presidential term limit might very well be on their agenda.

        Note: I edited this comment because a statement I thought to be true was shown to be incorrect. Thanks to Itneid for the correction. We should be searching for truth and acknowledge the truth when we find it. Knife One Zero

        • ltneid

          Executive orders are fully documented going back to George Washington and have been assigned numbers since the Hoover administration. Obama has issued 166 executive orders, not 900.

          Here's a link where you can find all of them.

          https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

        • Knife10

          Interesting. Thanks for the correction. Obviously there is some bogus info on the internet about the EOs. I'll take a look at them to see what they actually say.

        • CARLjr

          I applaud your ability to admit that and make a retraction. It is a pleasure to deal with someone with integrity.

        • Knife10

          I might not always be right, but when I'm wrong it's not intentional. Without truth there can be no justice.

    • michael lawless

      a real american hero

    • Denise

      Good morning Knife,
      Keep in mind that it is 'God who sets up kings, and it is He who removes them.' If nothing else convinces doubters of the truth of scripture, then this biblical claim, and Obama's tenure as the leader of the "free world," should.

      Obama commits treason on a daily basis, and yet, we have been powerless to stop him. Who's unseen hand has placed him in office? Obama is a justly earned judgement from the Almighty. America kicked GOD out, and Satan happily filled the void.

      • william g munson

        some of you should remember that satan said in heaven that I will set up myself as high as the most high and that when he and his angles where kicked out of heaven and he still has power on earth!!

        • Denise

          Yes, Satan does have power, but it is a limited power. He thinks more of himself than he ought to. He has already been defeated, by the sacrificial death of Yeshua, and His resurrection.

          Even Satan knows that his boast is nothing but bluster. He also knows that he has only a short time left, and he is desperate! He will never set his throne above the clouds, he will set it up in Jerusalem, but for a moment. He is nothing but a squatter, and like every squatter, he will get the boot!

          It will be in Israel, where he is destined to suffer his complete defeat, and ultimate humiliation. In that day, we will dance, sing, and shout for joy, for the victory of our GOD, and King, Yeshua! I can't wait!

      • Harold

        I am just watching for Rev 13:3 PLUS an indication of the "covenat" broken, which I think actually may have come with the dealings with Iran by BO [BOStinks!] !!!

        • HOFFHACK

          Absolutely! He left the door open for Iran (from the North) to try to wipe out Israel! A few "Smites" might be in order here!!! Among Democrats and Republicans!!!

        • Denise

          Hi Harold,
          It is possible that the mortal head wound was already delivered with the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The head wound could be still in the process of healing. Turkey is the revived Ottoman Empire, and the Islamic Caliphate wants Turkey to be the head. It is very possible that we could see that happen at any moment.

          Another clue is in Revelation 2: 12-13, And to the angel of the church in Pergamos (Turkey) write, 13, "I know your works, and where you dwell, where SATAN'S THRONE IS.

          Notice too, that it is in modern day Turkey that Yeshua places Satan's Throne, not in the Vatican in Rome.

          Although we live in very dark times, these are the prophetic years, and the living GOD is about to return in all of His glory. We just have to faithfully endure for a short while.

        • Harold

          Good Post!

          I also believe and look for the "early" and "latter" rains, which indicate the great intelligence and possible multiplicity of God's prophetic word.

          God's word is so simple a child can get the basics, but at the same time SO COMPLEX the greatest human minds cannot fathom every level. I average several hours a day of study. Matter of fact, I am editing a new type of study Bible.

          AND, as th Bible says; It is God Who gives understanding. In other words there are pieces and verses we may have read every day of our lives and not really "get" until God opens our understanding.

      • HOFFHACK

        Amen to that!

      • Knife10

        And top of the mornin' to you, Denise. It's good to get a response from a member of the flock.

        Resist the Devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7

        Then said [Jesus] unto them...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36.

        The time to resist and arm oneself is now.

        Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves; be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16

  • hollander

    I would start with the college records, I believe Obama claimed he was a foreign national to get into ivy league schools. Then circle back to the Birth certificate issue. Otherwise the main stream media will just dismiss you as a birther.

    • NancyOakley

      What college records? The ones that say "Barry Soetoro", foreign student? If he's not hiding that, he has paid a lot of money to hide something else in those transcripts.

      • S. Wicks Jr

        All brought to you by the Demon-crapic election committee. We have been thrown under the bus by the demoncraps in order to control this country. Down with the democrapic party!

  • danimal

    If he pisses off The First Baboon enough, maybe she will throw his ass out of the closet and start singing like a stool pigeon.

    • Harold

      C3PO: "Let the wookie win!"

  • David Murphree

    I am not being sacastic. Just expressing what I think.

  • georgev

    He was a ringer from the beginning and the republicans knew it.
    Why do you think they through mcCain and Palin in the ring?
    It was all planned that he be king I mean president.
    Do the research

    • Sarah417

      And I will add one more cog to this wheel. The NWO Globalists chose him as opposed to Hillary Clinton, promising she would get her turn later, simply for the fact that he was black. They knew any opposition to him would be deemed racist. They knew racism would shut everyone up and so it has. He is a fraud and our congress will do nothing. It is up to us America.

  • Iceman47

    I do not know why these blogs and "news" sources keep wasting their time with stuff like this. How much more evidence is going to be brought out about obama's citizenship and qualifications to be President? We all know he's a phony. We all know he's a Socialist. We all know he's a Muslim befriending the peoples who wish us dead. We know and Congress knows all about this stuff and much more, but yet, 5 years after the fact, here we are, still babbling about the same old crap.
    Perhaps it is time to just accept the fact that our government is not our friend. Our government wants to enslave us as we were once enslaved by King George and the massas who came after him. Just accept it. YEAH RIGHT! It's time to do something. The time for talking is long over. The time for wringing our hands is past. To quote Thomas Paine.." These are the times that try men's souls.....". Yes they are and if you know the rest of that quote, you know what it resulted in.

  • Harold

    I posted this when it happened a couple of months ago REPEATing it now for those who may "believe." I'll try to shorten.

    daughter and ex had very similar dream, same night but didn't know or talk about them till they were visiting a mall several days later.

    Entering the mall, daughter suddenly remembers her dream. "" She was in the mall when a bunch of middle eastern types suddenly came in and started abusing the women and children. In dream she & ex hid in a restroom.. When the commotion stopped they came out and a bunch of "upset" American men were looking for the POTUS.

    Ex then remembered she had had a dream the same night as daughter.. In her dream she was at home when she heard a very loud "BIG disturbance" outside. She opened door and asked one what was going on. She was told that they were looking for, ... BUT NOBODY COULD FIND!!! the person who lives at 1600PAVe.

    Both dreams, same night, very angry folk looking for BUT COULD NOT FIND Buffoon NCharge!!!

    Dreams several months ago about mid summer.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3pZTH6jhAE NASA

      One can only hope.

  • curmudgeon

    Is it possible that Fuddy was dead before the plane left the ground? Nothing about this man and the Chicago Machine should come as a surprise. Just kidding as they would have eight more people to 'disappear'.

    • rwp24382

      This seems to be a problem with the Dems lately. The same was said about the Ron Brown, Vince Foster, and other deaths related to the Clintons. There are questions that are unanswered that is swept under the rug by the Dem hacks they have in the DOJ and kept quiet by the media.

    • jwright673

      Unless of course ms. fuddy-duddy was on a plane with eight co-conspirators. Was she belted in her seat or tied to it? Will an autopsy be done? I'm sure explanations, not answers will be forthcoming. Strange that maobama hasn't publicly commented on her "untimely" passing. Maybe he simply breathed a sigh of relief..

      • CommonCents

        what coroner would want to do that autopsy? look at what happened to Breitbarts coroner, zapped with arsenic.

      • bbarnicle

        Supposedly, Ron Brown went down in a plane crash , but died from a round hole in the top of his head....a bullet hole. The first set of head x rays proving it was a gunshot wound were lost.

        • jwright673

          BB, there is a great book on this issue written by Jack Cashill and titled: Ron Brown's Body. If you can find a copy, it is a very interesting book.

  • 1PierreMontagne1

    For a Living, Lying World Leader especially one that is President of the United State...
    are not Obama's six years of lies ow now in the realm of Guinness World Records?
    Obama's Health Care lies...those alone are actually of Epic proportions the likes of which no previous President or any reasonable person would have have dare tried.
    .

  • nonstopca

    I think obama is a compulsive liar. (he'll lie even if the truth would work better for him, it's just who he is) but why is it always ---- “Zullo explained that because it’s an active investigation that could produce criminal charges, he’s unable to reveal details at the moment." ---- I've heard that more times then I care to remember...but nothing ever comes out, let alone an earth shattering revelation.... that will expose obama for what he is.... WHY?

    • Sam

      I agree. It's like an evil force has taken hold. I pray every day for America. Andrew Breitbart said he was going to reveal news that would end the presidency. Then he was dead of a supposed heart attack. I wonder if the the two stories are linked. Only time will tell.

    • Renellin

      Why not wait until you can release the evidence to release the evidence?

  • Kenneth Isgrigg

    PROV 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.

    Obama lies about everything, just like the rest of his liberal brethren. Don't look for that to change any time soon...

  • v steve

    If bho is not who he says he is then everything he has done as President will have to be taken down and he will have to be arrested.

    bho Could not be Removed Except by Force. Congress cannot even impeach bho because, he isn`t actually the President, he cannot be Impeached for,
    Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (Article II, Section 4). Some other public officials would have to arrest him.

    • ONLYJB1

      But he can be put before a military firing squad or hung by the neck until dead! How? you ask! As a spy! YHATZEE!

  • Mort Leith

    WOW,, straight out of the Clinton playbook ! ! !

    Just murd*er anyone who might tell the TRUTH re your sick past

    • ltneid

      And in such a dumb way. He's afraid one person will talk about a fake BC, so he gets eight people to stage a plane crash. Now he has to worry about eight people talking.

  • disqus_oajLzmvtVa

    There is more than sufficient evidence of Obanana not being eligible for "OUR PRESIDENT"...so what is holding back impeachment" and if he cannot be impeached then taken prisoner by the local "SHERIFF"? Anybody and the "elitist" can then run and hide. This so called "president is a disgrace.

    • Yes We Can't

      Harry Reid is the hold up, this little crook would veto any votes from Congress to remove the bum.

      Coming next Nov 2014 get out and Vote OUT Reid, Pelsoi the Dingbat and every democrat and a couple of traitors, Obozo's lap dogs John McCain, Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell

      • CaMaven

        No, Boehner is the immediate holdup. Impeachment is done in the House, removal in the Senate. FBI has refused to act on a complaint.

  • alio

    It's even worse than: "I didn't have sex with that woman"

    • CommonCents

      more like, " I didn't have sex with that man in the chicago bath house"

  • RedMeatState

    This would be a conspiracy far deeper than just Obama and his immediate aides. This would have to run very deep in several departments of government. And considering how incredibly corrupt it all is now, it would be no surprise!!

  • 1baronrichsnot1

    Looks like a hillbillary operation. Anyone who dealt with that particular presidency was in great peril!

  • Sam Sewell

    No hing to the Fuddy story. Lots to the Obama story. Any public official who goes the throuble to hid his history is guilty of some thing

  • James Maxwell

    I still want to see his passport when he supposedly left American to go to Kenya and Indonesia,
    plus his passport when he came to America and the paper work that was filed to allow him in
    to our Nation. I would want to see his grade school transcripts, High School Transcripts and
    his college application and transcript. There are so many question that have never been
    answered including the one about his social security number that is still up in the air and
    unanswered. The cover up involves many prominent figures in Washington DC an both
    political parties.

    • bbarnicle

      He also undisputedly traveled to Pakistan. That was a restricted country at the time.

      • CARLjr

        He also undisputedly sends drones into Pakistan on bombing raids on a fairly regular basis - and we are not at war with Pakistan. Pakistan HAS the bomb, unlike Iran.

        • bbarnicle

          Then what do you make of the relationship with Pakistan, in relation to the trip there? Who vacations in Pakistan? Why does it remind me of the Tsarnaev brother who flew back to Russia despite the FBI no-fly listing. Why did Clinton travel to Russia while a student? Lee Harvey Oswald? What's up with this? Not normal travel locations for their studies. At least Tsarnaev had the cover of going back to visit relatives.

        • CARLjr

          Maybe he was in the CIA. Now he is putting that intel to use.

        • bbarnicle

          Believable. Rogue agent or rogue agency?

        • CARLjr

          OK, follow me on this.
          In 1979 there was a revolution in Iran. The Pahlavi dynasty was overthrown and the Shah was exiled. Ayatollah Khomeini took power and Iran officially became an Islamic Republic. The USA supported the Shah and even allowed him to come to the states for cancer treatment. This angered Khomeini and he took 52 Americans hostage at the embassy in Tehran. Iran was in a crisis, the economy & apparatus of the government had collapsed and the military and security forces were in disarray. In 1980 Iraq invaded Iran. Saddam Hussein had armed his forces with the latest from the Soviet Union, but now condemned the soviet invasion of Afghanistan and signed a treaty with Saudi Arabia. Saddam also allowed the CIA to open an office in Baghdad.

          This is where Obama comes in. As a CIA agent under William Casey, Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 and worked closely with Akhtar Abdur Rahman, the head of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). Through the ISI we were able to funnel money to the Mujahideen who fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan and had vowed to overthrow Iran's Islamic government. Obama also worked with Donald Rumsfeld to funnel money and resources to Iraq to help in their fight against Iran. These were covert operations in alliance with Saudi Arabia and Israel (Mossad).

          Obama helped organize and fund Operation Cyclone and set up relations with the ISS for Pakistan to purchase F-16s and stinger missiles. He may have also been instrumental in the negotiations that led to the hostages release.

          You want a real shocker - look up how Akhtar Adur Rahman died - along with the President of Pakistan, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq.

        • Renellin

          I'm skeptical because Obama doesn't know how to negotiate even with his own government. He couldn't be instrumental in getting the toilet to flush. He plays golf, sleeps, campaigns, takes vacations, and sits for hours in long meetings deciding strategies on the next pack of lies.

        • CARLjr

          People said the same things about Reagan and Bush. But it turned out they were way more involved than anyone thought.

        • Renellin

          People will probably always say the same thing about every president. This man, however, is in his own category. He doesn't seem to know anything (at least will not admit to anything) that is going on in his government. He has an extremely short fuse, and at the first push he will get up and walk out. I have never heard of a president who has been recorded claiming to get his news from tv so often and so regularly.

        • CARLjr

          His CIA training has taught him to keep things close to the vest. Need to know only. It's easier to say he saw it on the news than he was briefed on it in the situation room by a team from the Pentagon with live surveillance satellite video feeds.

        • Renellin

          He is the potus. He's supposed to get briefed that way.

        • CARLjr

          He does.

        • CARLjr

          Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the president of Pakistan and Akhtar Abdur Rahman, the head of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) were both killed in a mysterious plane crash only 7 years after Obama's visit.
          The State Department, which set up a special task force after receiving
          word of the crash, refused to suggest what might have caused it, amid
          the intense speculation that the plane might have been downed by a bomb
          or an antiaircraft missile.
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Muhammad_Zia-ul-Haq
          http://youtu.be/IRoh62wRgkc

        • Renellin

          I'm sorry. I find it extremely difficult to believe he is capable of anything beyond trying to sink a putt while smoking a cigarette in the oval office.

        • CARLjr

          But elaborate schemes to steal social security numbers, retroactively place birth announcement ads in 50 year old newspapers, and disguise his tuition and passports are something he could easily do. It's no problem for him to crash an airplane and keep 7 people alive, but crashing a plane and killing everyone on board is beyond his capability.

        • Renellin

          Ahh so you are including his entourage. All those things you speak of I don't necessarily concur with. I never saw the conflict with the birth announcements. While one would not expect Stanley to bother with such things, her grandmother very well might have wanted to do so, and especially if he wasn't born in this country, it would have been prudent to mark his citizenship since the family was undoubtedly aware of his actual roots. Social security, tuition, passports, those are done by hackers by the thousand every day. However, to my knowledge he has neither released his tuition, grades, or passports (they don't ask for it on air force one), so we don't know if anything was done or not. He does seem to be capable of ordering a couple dozen seals into one helicopter and get it 'destroyed by a fluke shot that made the direct hit in the dark, etc. etc.' but again this is not something he did personally other than give the okay. Working for the CIA, one would imagine the actual person would need to be of some use to the organization. He's no use to his wife, his children, his office, the people of this country, what does the CIA know that nobody else does? I'm not saying you are wrong, I am just saying I don't see it.

        • bbarnicle

          This is why I try not to judge. Remember the end of "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage? Many people are like that. I hope people don't judge me.

        • Renellin

          Yes it is very strange to piece together his timeline--moved to Indonesia as a child, got sent back to live with Grandparents at 10. Why? Did his mother reject him? Did he get in some kind of trouble? Did he refuse to eat his peas? Then he goes home to g'ma g'pa's and pals around with an old guy who was likely his real father. He turns to drugs and alcohol 'enthusiastically', and becomes a classical underachiever. He goes to Occidental and continues his poor performance and illegal entertainment. Then somehow, magically, he either goes to Columbia (on what grounds did they accept him?), and takes a trip around the world, including Pakistan and Africa, or the other way around.. Were those really great mushrooms or what? In my town they don't reward bad behavior that way. Who paid for his trip and to Columbia, how did he get the internship in Chicago, then on what basis did he get into Harvard?

    • blacksunshine84

      Definitely something up with the passport. Why else was he detained in Russia as a junior senator, accused of being a British spy?

  • benlittleeagleyahoocom

    WND has stated many times that there is and ongoing impeachment on this Obama person . and they are holding up untill the Cold case possy finishes the background work. they are doing so well and at every turn they find more evidence that there is more to Obama's back ground then just pulling off the biggest swindle of fraud on the Federal Government Polititions. And half are afraid to say anything they are afraid he will retire them like he falsly retired 200 Military in the past 3 years and in this last year kicked another 9 High Ranking Officials out such as Generals and Admirals out with out any reason other than he was afraid they would not take his looney Orders. Like when he asked the Military if they would turn there guns on the American Peoples if he gave the order. Doesn't this idiot know these people are Volentiers to our great Military and the reason they Volenteered was to keep the Idiot Radicalas and Terroriest such as him that want to destroy our Democracy. There has been more proof that Hillary and Obama were tied up in the Take down of the President of Morsi who was a Muslim but the Terroriest groups with the help of Hillary and Obama helped get him into the Office and when he was doing as ordered the egyptian got together and held a coup and got this Muslim Terroriest out odf office. there is a big write up on this and I tried to get facebook to place it on there web page where everyon can see it but if they didn't it also went to my facebook page Benlittleeagle so click on my Picture and read what is said more then enough for both to be expedited to egypt and held for Trial for conspericy against the egyptian gov. they are both dealing with the Terroriest Grups Alquada,talabam, Etc.

    • Dan Williams

      Every ex-military person that I have talked with has agreed with your perspective, and so do I.

  • mechmorph

    That was Denmark Prime Minister Helle Thorning Schmidt in the selfie.

  • scott2345

    Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt, not Erna Solberg of Norway.

  • nmiller51

    Obama is an evil corrupt lying Chicago thug and it would be a great day for America if he was in a fatal plane or helicopter crash. The S.O.B. has pulled a bigger scheme on Americans than Bernie Madoff. That is more proof that people do not have or are not using common sense to allow such a criminal to sit in the oval office.

    • rmagnano

      If Obama were to die prematurely in any way his followers would make a MARTYR out of him. That would probably be worst for us.

      • Val

        Lets see ! He needs to be gone.!

        • rmagnano

          I wholeheartedly agree. Impeachment with the public invited so that they couldn't put a spin on it.

        • patriciamlewis

          After impeachment you have a trial in the Senate. We'd better wait until there are more Republicans in the Senate, don't you think?

        • Renellin

          Let's not hope for anyone's death.

    • CommonCents

      when will republicans and conservatives ever read rules for radicals and start using the alinsky tactics, they work. obama and all the libiots need to be ridiculed and laughed out of office.

      • Renellin

        We understand that they work, but to apply them ourselves makes us constantly live a lie. Effectively, it turns us into liberals.

        • CommonCents

          they are tactics, not beliefs:

          “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

          “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”

          “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”

          “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

          “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

          “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

          “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

          “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”

          “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

          "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."

          “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

          “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

          “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

        • Renellin

          Several of those above are well beneath us, though I have no objection to being familiar with them. Pick the target; Ridicule is the most potent weapon--these things I want no part of other than to ensure those around me are also familiar with the tactics.

    • Renellin

      Much bigger. I wonder about those EnRon executives still wasting in prison for what they did. Yet he remains.

  • Val

    His 3 Gay lovers from his Chicago gentlemen's Club, died Mysteriously, and NOW, Loretta Fuddy ?? watch out,don't get in his way or you will be NEXT !!

    • bbarnicle

      Grandma also had an untimely death before the first term election. She knew about his childhood first hand. Obama flew to 'visit' her....then she was dead.

      • Renellin

        Yes, I noted that at the time. At the same time he 'visited' her, he visited the department of records. After that the head honcho there said the certificate was 'lost.' However, every day of the week I can go and get a brand new birth certificate printed out for me.

        • Dan Williams

          Certified, with a raised seal.

        • Renellin

          That's right.

        • smrstrauss

          Obama's birth certificates, shor form and long form, both have been certified by the officials in Hawaii, and both have the raised seal.

        • smrstrauss

          Nobody at the Department of Records or the Department of Health or the governor of Hawaii ever said that Obama's birth certificate was lost. That is simply a birther LIE (along with the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she actually said that he was born IN HAWAII). And three officials (two Republicans and Fuddy) stated that they had seen Obama's birth certificate in the files and that they had sent copies to him and that all the facts on the one that the White House put online were the same as on what they sent him. And that is further confirmed by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the public Index Data file:

          Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

          (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

          Here is the Index Data file:

          http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

        • Renellin

          You fall prey to generalization. I and thousand, perhaps millions of Americans joined by more from around the world have considered and speculated the circumstances surrounding Obama's birth. However, whoever is running ads or making websites does not represent me or many others. A birther lie you say. http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252833/ I knew I had read it. You take what you read and you judge it for yourself. You for some reason keep trying to connect this event with some story about someone in Kenya. There isn't a connection. You are way too unobjective.

        • smrstrauss

          Re "speculated." so how about discussing these FACTS:

          For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

          (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

          (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

          (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

          If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

          (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the very very few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

    • madinillinois

      I've only heard of ONE man, that supposedly had an affair with Obumo-nuts - not three that you speak of.

      Is there a site that I can visit to read on this?

      • Val
        • blacksunshine84

          2 were assassinated. 1 allegedly died from complications from AIDS.

        • dangkids

          I don't know about anyone else, but neither one of those kids look anything like him or her in facial features. Look at them good next time. The only resemblance they have is one is tall and skinny, but that young one looks totally different from oblamya and Moose WITH NO FEATURES OF HIM AT ALL!

          What now? RENT A KID? Sure, Give Moose Queen everything she could dream of and she'll keep her mouth shut, other than talking at a breakfast one time she accidentally said something about 'her' being a single mother???? WTF? Of course oblamya caters to everything he is:

          HOMOSEXUAL, ILLEGAL ALIEN AND MUSLIM.

          These two have pulled the biggest heist on the American people and I wish someone would bust them wide open and expose ALL their lies!

      • CARLjr

        sure, go to Iwillsayanythingtogetthisniggeroutofoffice.com

    • Renellin

      They didn't die mysteriously. They were murdered with gun(s). The mysterious part is why didn't anyone investigate?

  • Stoned_Conservative

    Activate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. No Marxist in any position of power.

  • Stoned_Conservative

    At some point the AG of Arizona will be called in. Then, I would speculate, a Federal Prosecutor will be brought in. Charges are going to be brought, and Holder is in deep caca. He can not refuse a State the services of a Federal Prosecutor, or FBI. To do so, would be political suicide. The House will go wonderfully patriotic, and the Senate will have no choice, but to follow. We may just get rid of the POS in the WH without having to invade Washington. Then it's Biden's turn to go.

    • smrstrauss

      The Secretary of State of Arizona, a conservative Republican, asked the officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there, and when they did, stating that ALL the facts on the birth certificate were correct, the Secretary of State of Arizona accepted that statement as a FACT and allowed Obama's name to be on the ballot in Arizona.

  • Carlene

    When are peiple going ti understand obamas birth certicate doesnt matter. What matters is that Obama must have natural born US citizens as birth parents in order to run as president. We know his father is not a natural born citizen therefore he should not have been allowed to run for office. I do believe his birth certificate is fraduant,

    • CaMaven

      Please tell me how one determines natural born Citizenship without birth records. Consult a Kenyan village elder?

      • smrstrauss

        Obama has shown both his short form and long form birth certificate, both of which show that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. AND the officials of both parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them both to him and that all the facts on the copy that the White House has put online are exactly the same as what they sent to him. And there is further confirmation in the birth notices and the public Index Data file.

        Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

        http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

        (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

        Here is the Index Data file:

        http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

        • CaMaven

          Both "birth certificates" have convincingly been shown to be fraudulent. Both. There is abundant slam dunk evidence in:
          - Document expert Witness Reed Hayes 40 page affidavit. He works for Obama's own law firm., Perkins Coie, where former White House Counsel Robert Bauer works.

          - Doug Vogt, who did an excellent analysis and futilely gave it to Obama's FBI as a complaint

          - Paul Irey's analysis and affidavit.

          - Mara Zebest's analysis and affidavit.

          - Cold Case posse investigation, findings report, press conferences, affidavits

          - Many more.

          - The so-called birth announcements have no legal weight, could easily have been forged. Even if they were real, anyone could order one. They could have also been based on a bogus COLB, as described below.

          Anyone could get a Hawaiian short form Certification (NOT certificate) of live birth simply by filling out an affidavit, even for someone born elsewhere, even if no one was born at all.

          Gov. Abercrombie was absolutely unable to locate a birth certificate. Adams, head of the clerks, said there was no birth certificate.

          British archives show a child born to Barack Obama Sr on August 4, 1961 in .... Kenya. Maybe we should check out that footprint on Kenyan birth certificate and see if it matches Obama's. If we could check a jizz stain on the infamous blue dress, what about this.

          Hope you feel good about supporting a fraud and a traitor.

        • smrstrauss

          Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

          One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

          Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

          And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

          Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

          Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

          John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

          Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

          Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

          Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

          And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

          Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

        • CaMaven

          We have been round and round on this many times.

          1.
          Both “birth certificates” are slam dunk proven
          forgeries.

          2.
          Reed Hayes, document expert witness who works for Perkins Coie, Obama’s own law firm and where Obama’s attorney and former White house Counsel Rober Bauer works, says so and backs it up with a 40 page affidavit.

          3.
          Document professional Doug Vogt says so and backs it up with multiple analyses and affidavits, as well as an FBI complaint.

          4.
          Document professional Mara Zebest says so and backs it up with multiple analyses and affidavits

          5.
          and many others.

          6. .
          Even if the short form Certification (NOT Certificate) of Live Birth was real, which it isn’t, anyone could get one with just an affidavit, One could be created from adoption papers also. Hawaii is notorious as a soft target where anyone could get one, even if born somewhere else, under a different name, or not at all. What a joke.

          7.
          Regarding the birth announcements. There is no proof that they are real. No masters, no microfilm, not even a printed copy- anywhere. It might have also been possible for anyone to send a birth notice in, but it’s more likely that Stanley or Madelyn lied to get it,

          8.
          There is also the small matter of the forged Selective Service registration, E-Verify fail, unauthorized use of Social Security numbers, statement by Ayer’s mailman about Ayers saying Obama was a foreign student, missing/hidden school records in Indonesia, Hawaii, Occidental/LA and Harvard.

          9.
          Speaking of “Indexes,” the British archives show achild born to Barack Obama Sr. 8/4/1961 in The East African Protectorate (now Kenya.). Maybe we SHOULD the little footprint on the Kenya birth certificate against Barry’s. If we can a jizz stain on the infamous blue dress, why not this?

          10.
          Coincidentally, one HI official who clear this up left under a dark cloud when he wouldn’t sign off on Obama paperwork, one was quickly fired and one mysteriously just died in a crash. What a coincidence. The others look pretty silly claiming everything OK while the whitehouse.gov “certificate”-like image is a proven, slam-dunk fraud. Only in obamaland could that go unchallenged
          by officialdom.

          11.
          We don’t have a complete INS 19612 report- it’s proven that there are missing sections. Also, they now clain that passport records have been discarded. Lieutenant Quarles Harris, implicated in accessing the Obama passport records, was killed in a shootout on the streets of DC. This is starting to sound like a Bill & Hillary (Killary) movie.

          12.
          Lucas Smith has videos showing him in Kenya.
          He also has that funny document with the little footprint. Let’s check it out
          and clear up that little mystery. I would think that Obama’s supporters would be anxious to clear their man. I really have no idea of where he was born or even of his true parentage. That’s the whole point, Mr. Strauss.

    • CommonCents

      we need all his college records to see if he got foreign aid and who paid his tuition.

      • Renellin

        I think the Ayers family put up a good deal of his support, and must have had something in influence because certainly Barry never distinguished himself in any way to be Harvard material.

      • smrstrauss

        He didn't get foreign aid, in fact he got US government student LOANS, which are available only to US citizens. The story that he applied to college as a foreign student comes from AN APRIL FOOL'S ARTICLE.

    • Renellin

      I think his actual father was Frank Marshall Davis. Some even make a case for it being Malcolm X.

      • sengal

        There is an uncanny resemblance between Barack Jr. and Malcolm X.

        • smrstrauss

          There is an uncanny resemblance between Mitt Romney and Harpo Marx.

        • sengal

          Now you're being stupid like most liberal dimwits.

    • patriciamlewis

      Wrong. Only one parent had to be a U.S. citizen, and could be a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. Turns out his mother was natural born, but he'd have been a natural born citizen if she had been naturalized (become an American citizen at some point in time).

      • smrstrauss

        In fact, birth on US soil is sufficient and neither parent has to be a citizen at the time (which makes both Jindal and Rubio eligible).

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli,
        persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children
        of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus,
        those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens"
        and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether
        children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born
        citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al,
        THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  • CommonCents

    The DEMS overplayed their hand and made a big tell early on in the election by attacking McCain's eligibility. It was just a faux pre-emptive strike to neutralize the issue as they then knew they had a problem with Soeterro. They quickly agreed that McCain was eligible. I believe they struck a deal w/ the "maverick" not to go there. It worked. McCain laid down like a good little Stockholm Syndrome fool.

    It's sad that many of the DC establishment already know there is something very wrong w/ soeterros eligibility and they said nothing and took action to cover it up.

    • CaMaven

      It worked.

  • Carolyn

    Of course it's fake. Everything about this turkey is a fairy tale.

  • ladynavigator

    this is a great article. I live to hear the cheers rise up from the people when we get this man, no matter when it is. And when he's gone, I never want to here his name again. I don't doubt it all that killing 9 to get 1 is something Axelrod and Jarrett would do. She must have had a heart attack. God rest her soul. If Obama has done this-how can he be arrested while in office. The Congress would have to impeach him first. Reid would need to be taken from his seat before we could get that done.??

    • You can call me Al

      Please don't mention this to Mark Levin or Bill O'Reilly. They will not even discuss the possibility of BHO's illegitimacy. Their minds, and possibly Michael Savage's are closed on the subject. They think that we're a bunch of lunatic "birthers."

      • Joseph C Moore USN Ret

        I love Mark Levin's rants but cannot fathom his obtuseness about the fraudulent documentation of the Usurper-In-Chief.

  • Renellin

    I think Obama is a citizen, having been born of two American citizens. The circumstances of his mom's pregnancy and his paternity do bear some real secrecy. As a youth, his mom was not only an activist, but she liked the kinky stuff, and had numerous sexy romps with an older man and his wife. Mr. Davis later published nude and near-nude pictures of her and his wife. Being pregnant by a married man put her into a bind. She turned to a friend from class, who intended to return to Africa, and may have been married himself back home. He agreed to make the document with her although there is no record of any romance between Obama Sr. and Stanley. A few years later they got quietly divorced in much the same way that they got married--very quietly. There can be any number of other details that Obama would be just as happy to keep quiet about. That doesn't let him off the hook for all the lies.

    • Knife10

      It has been said that Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Hussein Obama II's father. What you wrote agrees with what I have read about the circumstances of his birth. Appearance-wise he seems to favor Davis, not Obama. What disqualifies him from serving as the president are the murky details of his move to Indonesia, his apparent citizenship there, and his undocumented return to Hawaii as a boy. Congressman Joe Wilson said he lies. That doesn't disqualify Obama from office. It seems almost all the politicians lie, but Obama is just more prolific than most.

      • Renellin

        I have seen the pictures of Stanley and Davis' wife that Frank Published in his various works. Remember we did impeach Clinton for lying under oath to the American people.

        • Knife10

          I've seen the pictures too. Pathetic. I'm fully aware of the Clinton debacle. Clinton was impeached but not removed from office and that's the gentlest way I can express my complete disgust for him and his wife. A resolution to impeach Obama is in the works right now, but I don't expect Boehner and the do nothing republicans to put it up for a vote in the House. Like Obama, the republican party has lost any credibility it might have had thanks to their attacks on conservatives. A lot of us won't waste another vote on democrats or republicans...which means the democrats are going to kick their butts in future elections. From now on I'll let the chips fall where they may. If the American voters are so stupid they elect Hillary and her radical mob, they deserve what's coming to them.

        • cimiron

          well if you don't vote and many feel the same way of coarse the dems will win again, how unpatriotic of you

        • Knife10

          "well if you don't vote...."

          I never said I was not going to vote. Pay attention. I said "A lot of us won't waste another vote on democrats or republicans...." Perhaps I should have said I personally won't vote for "establishment" republicans (as the lesser of two evils). Conservatives have been insulted by Boehner and his crowd for the last time. There are other candidates on the ballot than Ds and Rs. And who the hell are you to call me unpatriotic if the democrats win again if I don't vote...the inference being "unless I vote for republicans". You're entitled to you own opinions. Vote however you want. I sure as hell intend to.

        • Joseph C Moore USN Ret

          I will not (and have not) voted for NWO politicians either.

        • Knife10

          @ Joseph C Moore USN Ret: I voted for "the lesser of two evils" in past elections because I sure as hell didn't want Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Gore, and Obama in office. It won't happen again. If there's not a conservative on the ticket, I'll be writing "none of the above" on my ballot. Knife One Zero, USAF Ret

        • patriciamlewis

          You are part of the reason that Obama got elected in the first place!

        • Knife10

          @ patriciamlewis: So you're saying because I voted for the republican candidate I'm part of the reason Obama got elected? Obama got elected because a bunch of morons believed what he was saying or because the democrat's socialist agenda was more important to them than the constitution.

        • patriciamlewis

          You implied pretty strongly that you voted for other candidates than D or R, unless I read your post wrong. Oops, now that I read an earlier post, I see that maybe I did just that. Sorry. But next time, please don't waste your vote and guarantee that a D gets elected.

        • Knife10

          I vote for people I think best suited for the job...but never democrats...and when there is no suitable candidate on the ballot, I have in various elections either written in a candidate's name or none of the above. Voting one's conscience is not wasting a vote. More people should try it rather than be locked in to the mentality of voting for "the lesser of two evils". If the majority of voters, living, dead, and multiple, think radical communist agenda driven democrats should run the government, it's not because I "wasted my vote". It's because the republican party ran globalist candidates like George H. W. Bush and "W", or RINO fabian socialists like McCain and Romney while treating conservative candidates like ugly red headed step children or the third verse of a four verse hymn in a Baptist church. If the republicans are going to roll over and play dead on every major issue that divides congress, they don't deserve to be in office. They should stay in the truck if they aren't going to hunt as we say in Tennessee. And just so we're completely open and clear about political parties, I'm not a republican. I'm an independent conservative. Independents make up about 25-30% of the voters.

        • Joseph C Moore USN Ret

          Impeachment is an action against a LEGAL elected president.

        • Knife10

          @ Joseph C Moore USN Ret: True. Another reason not to vote for democrats or (establishment) republicans. Rather than challenge Obama's eligibility, both political parties choose to ignore the controversies surrounding his citizenship, multiple identities, draft registration, social security number, and integrity.

        • cimiron

          no he was impeached for lying to congress

        • Renellin

          'After rumors of the scandal reached the news, Clinton publicly stated,
          "I did not have sexual relations with, Miss Lewinsky." In his Paula Jones deposition, he swore, "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her."[8] Months later, Clinton admitted that his relationship with Lewinsky was "wrong" and "not appropriate." Lewinsky engaged in oral sex with Clinton several times'...sorry to quote Wikipedia, but Ken Starr pressed the charges based on his depositions, his public statements, and his testimony.

          It's funny as I go back and read. It seemed so obvious then that Clinton was only out for himself and considered the Presidency his own playroom (the perv). Looking at what we have now, Clinton really was simply child's play.

      • Marj0120

        His BC shows his father whether or not he's his true biological father, irrelevant. His adopted father adopted him legally and obam became a citizen of Indonesia. Unless he can prove he is not the son of Obama Sr. and rescinded his Indonesian Citizenship, he is not eligible to be pres. Period.

        • Knife10

          @ Marj0120: We may never know the truth about Barack Hussein Obama II/Barry Soetoro. What seems most likely is that his biological father was probably Frank Marshall Davis. If that is true, BHO satisfies the natural born citizen requirement to be president. Records we have seen indicate BHO's mother married a Kenyan in Hawaii who was there on a student visa and who, it is claimed, was BHO's father but who, according to what I have read, was already married with a family and who divorced Stanley sometime after BHO's birth. Stanley later married an Indonesian who was in Hawaii on a student visa and who took BHO to Indonesia under the pseudonym Barry Soetoro and registered him in an islamic school, which required Indonesian citizenship and muslim status. When BHO's mother divorced Soetoro, she and BHO/BS returned to Hawaii apparently without going through proper immigration procedures. After high school, BHO apparently enrolled in Occidental College under the name Barry Soetoro and supposedly received tuition assistance as a foreign student. While at Occidental College, BHO/BS may have been recruited by the CIA for service in Pakistan at a time when Americans were not allowed to go there. Records show he went to Pakistan with a couple of his college acquaintances for two years but questions about what passport he used remain unresolved. Questions also remain about his enrollment at Columbia University since no one seems to remember him in any of the classes and his time there overlaps some of his time in Pakistan. Then, with the financial assistance and mentoring of the Ayers family, BHO managed to be admitted to Harvard where he was awarded a law degree. After passing the bar exam, BHO later resigned his commission as an officer of the court because of a possible ethics violation which, I've read, had to do with his sworn statement that he had never used any other name than Barack Hussein Obama II. There are a lot of things we can only guess about concerning BHO. He has apparently resorted to unusual measures to keep his past from public scrutiny.

        • smrstrauss

          Obama attended a CATHOLIC school and an Indonesian public school, and the notion that only Indonesian citizens could attend Indonesian public school was made up by birthers and is FALSE, as anyone can check by calling the Indonesian Embassy. Obama never lost his US citizenship (which actually is impossible for a child) and was never an Indonesia citizen, which you can check with the Indonesian Embassy as well. There was never a time when Americans were not allowed to go to Pakistan. That is another birther fabrication. When Obama went, in 1981, Pakistan had an office of hits airline on Fifth Avenue in New York and was eager to get as many tourists to go there as it could. The idea that the CIA recruited a black kid with socialist leanings to work in Pakistan (where the people are not black) is completely loony.

          Re: "...since no one seems to remember him in any of the classes."

          That is what birthers CLAIM, but it is a lie.

          "Obama's professors and classmates, including former international politics professor Michael Baron and current MTV president Michael Wolf, confirm that he was a brilliant, standout student and that he was an active participant in seminars. Baron said he was one of the top one or two students in his class." (http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama)

          And:

          http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan_feb09/alumni_corner

        • Knife10

          @ smrstrauss: I invite everyone to check the wikicu.com reference for themselves. I did. There was nothing on the page at all. I would like to see information from verifiable sources about Mr. Obama/Soetoro's past, but as we all know, he has made sure that can't be done. What we can be certain about, however, is what Congressman Joe Wilson said about him is verifiably true: "He lies." And the sordid pictures of his mother taken by Frank Marshall, a verifiable communist, are out there for people to see. Obama's "long form birth certificate" released by the only person killed in a plane crash a week ago has been shown to be a fake. His selective service registration is also a forgery. Say what you will smrstrauss, there is sufficient factual evidence to question everything the man has done and said. The facts speak for themselves.

        • smrstrauss

          See above.

          Obama's selective service registration was indeed forged. But a birther posted it---who do you think forged it. (Obama did not post his selective service registration, nor did he give it to the fellow who posted it.)

          Obama did attended Columbia College, and the best evidence for it is that Columbia UNIVERSITY said that he did and that he graduated. Birthers, say that there aren't people who remember Obama (but that proves nothing) but in fact there are a few people who remember Obama, and not being remembered by a lot of people is actually a good thing. It means that he spent more time studying than partying or participating in campus life. In any case, Obama graduated from Columbia and subsequently attended Harvard Law School and graduated from it MAGNA CUM LAUDE.

          Obama's birth certificate is not forged, though it is a part of the birther religion to keep claiming that it is:

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-ospit-or-nstitution-not-in-ospit/

          And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin's) have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form birth certificate to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him.

        • Knife10

          Interesting...I wrote a response to smrstrauss and it's no longer posted.

          @smrstrauss:disqus: I checked the wikicu.com reference. It's completely blank. I invite everyone to see for themselves. Say what you will, there is sufficient evidence about Mr. Obama/Soetoro to question everything he has said or done. Congressman Joe Wilson got it right: "He lies!"

        • smrstrauss

          re: "Blank."

          Okay. Here are selections from it:

          "Barack Obama CC '83 is the 44th and current President of the United States. A former US Senator from Illinois, he is the first African-American and the first Columbia graduate to hold the nation's highest office.

          Obama is the first attendee of Columbia College and the first graduate of any Columbia school[1],to occupy the Oval Office. Obama was also the first Columbia College alumnus to be nominated by a major modern party ticket, and the first CC alum to be a major party nominee since the Federalists nominated DeWitt Clinton in 1812."

          And: "Columbia at that time barred transfer students from its limited
          supply of campus housing, so Obama lived off campus. He claims to have
          spent his first night sleeping in an alley near the corner of 109th and Amsterdam Avenue and washing with the homeless next to an open fire hydrant, as he had arrived too late to be let in to the apartment he had found, #3E, 142 W.109th St., between Amsterdam and Columbus. The rent was $360.The next day he moved into the apartment with fellow Occidental College transfer Phil Boerner.Boerner, who remained Obama's friend throughout his college years, describes the apartment as a third story walkup with a railroad layout and a missing doorbell...."

          And: "Obama's professors and classmates, including former international
          politics professor Michael Baron and current MTV president Michael Wolf,
          confirm that he was a brilliant, standout student and that he was an
          active participant in seminars. Baron said he was one of the top one or
          two students in his class.."

          So, the article lists one professor and one former student who DO REMEMBER Obama.

          Assuming that the link will work on the second try:

          http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama

        • smrstrauss

          Obama was never adopted. Adoption in Indonesia requires the action of a district court, and there is no such document. Obama was NEVER a citizen of Indonesia, as the Indonesian government has confirmed. You can check yourself by CALLING THE INDONESIAN EMBASSY.

    • Wary Fisherman

      If Obama is truly an American citizen the problem for him would then be that his college scholarship was for a "foreign student from Indonesia" - he receiving such should make him guilty of fraud and should put him behind bars. Now we know why he has paid $4M to keep his college records sealed.

      • Renellin

        And there is that little difficulty with the Connecticut ss#

        • smrstrauss

          Obama's CT SS number was the result of one of millions of data entry errors by SS Administration clerks. What gave you the idea that they never made mistakes? What gave you the idea that entering a digit wrong in the zip code would not generate a SS number from a place other than where it was applied for?

        • Renellin

          That's so cute. And it was another mistake that the travel records for the week he was born --only-- got misplaced, his birth certificate was declared 'lost', etc. etc. etc. And no. I know of noone else who has ever gotten the ss# of a place 3000 miles away. In fact, they had to have his correct zip code number in order to mail him the card, eh? Gosh.

        • smrstrauss

          The travel records are missing, but only for direct flights from Hawaii to other countries---and there were hardly any flights from Hawaii to other countries in those days. More importantly THERE ISN'T ANY EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA'S MOTHER HAD A PASSPORT, and birthers have obtained her passport file and one thing that they have not shown is the date on which the file was created. That was not scratched off of the file (and if it was, they would have said so), so why didn't they state the date on which the file was created? Answer, because the file was created after 1961----so Obama's mother did not have a passport in 1961. But, let's say that we do not know for sure. What then is LIKELY? What is likely is that she did not have one because very very few 18-year-olds had passports in 1961.

          Plenty of people lose their birth certificates, but Obama's original birth certificate WAS NOT LOST. It is right in the files of the DOH, where it is supposed to be, and two officials in addition to Fuddy all have stated that they saw it in the files and that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copies that Obama has had put online are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices.

          Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

          (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

          Here is the Index Data file:

          http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

          Re zip code and they allegation that they had to get it correct in order to mail it to him. Not necessarily. They probably handed it to him. in any case, the difference between the Honolulu. HA zip code and that of Danbury, CT is a single digit:

          Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

          The evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii is:

          (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);

          (2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;

          (3) the public Index Data file;

          (4) the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

          (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

          (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now---twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

          (7) no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961;

          (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

          (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);

          (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

          (11) Birther sites having lied about what Obama's grandmother said, and other things too, makes it highly likely that their "document experts" are lying too---and numerous real document experts say that the birth certificate is not forged, and that is confirmed by the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre (which shows how that product scans documents and compresses them using layers and pixillaton).

        • Renellin

          I can't imagine why 'birthers' would care about Stanley's passport, but if she was flying in and out of Hawaii to Indonesia, I would think she did have one. My understanding is the travel records coming into Hawaii that week are missing. Why, do you suppose. That is the only week. But please, I don't care. The head honcho at the DOH or whatever did claim the birth certificate was missing, but that he had seen it and he attested to Obama having it there. What Obama posted on line was a horrible fake.
          Of course Hawaii has a law that says if a baby is born outside the us, and is brought home to Hawaii, he can still qualify for a birth certificate. While the DOH might send the birth announcement, they take the information from what the parents fill out. Wasn't Grandma working there at the time? This speculation doesn't really get us anywhere.
          I never thought he was born in Kenya, but I guess I don't have a site so it must not be me you're referring to. I just think it could have easily been resolved early on, but obama refused and no doubt enjoyed all these people running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I joke about his birth, but I suspect there is plenty of likelihood he would prefer everybody just stay out of his early history. He would prefer we all just take as fact everything the weatherman wrote for him in his books that he claimed to have written.
          In short, the man has a complete 'story' built about his life--he probably hardly knows who he is himself anymore, because he is supposed to remember who he's supposed to be, which is why he so heavily depends on the teleprompter.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: "I can't imagine why 'birthers' would care about Stanley's passport, but
          if she was flying in and out of Hawaii to Indonesia, I would think she
          did have one."

          Answer: Birthers would care whether or not Obama's mother had a passport in 1961 because for her to have given birth in a foreign country SHE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE GONE TO THAT FOREIGN COUNTRY, and that takes a passport.

          Yes, she did have a passport when she went to Indonesia, but that was in 1967. There is a six year difference between 1961 and 1967, the issue as far as Obama being born is whether she had one in 1961---and there is no evidence of it (and having passports was rare for 18-year-olds, and it would have been even more rare, extremely rare, for a woman to have traveled outside of the USA in the last few months of pregnancy in those days).

          Re: "The head honcho at the DOH or whatever did claim the birth certificate was missing...."

          NO he didn't. That is simply a birther lie. NO official EVER said that Obama's birth certificate is missing or can't be found. And THREE of them (two Republican, one Democrat) stated that they saw it in the files , where it is supposed to be.

          Re: "While the DOH might send the birth announcement, they take the
          information from what the parents fill out. Wasn't Grandma working there
          at the time? "

          First, Obama's grandmother did not work for the DOH. She worked in a BANK. Second, Obama's birth certificate has the signature of a doctor at Kapiolani Hospital right on it and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that the facts are correct (and by the way Kapiolani is informally confirming, at least twice, that Obama was born there, and so does the statement of the teacher who wrote home).

          Re Kenya: Okay you are not nutty enough to think that Obama's mother traveled alone all the way to Kenya and that the government of Kenya, which says that it never happened, is lying. But there are plenty of others who think so. (There is, btw, no evidence that Obama was born in any other country besides Kenya EITHER, and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials and the index data and the birth notices sent to the papers by the doh of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home and the huge improbability of Obama's mother having traveled out of the country late in pregnancy indicates that a birth outside of Hawaii DID NOT HAPPEN.

          Re: "I suspect there is plenty of likelihood he would prefer everybody just stay out of his early history."

          Answer: So what? You know of any other president who talked a lot about his early history? (George Washington really didn't chop down a cherry tree you know.)

          Re: "which is why he so heavily depends on the teleprompter."

          Answer: Are you claiming that there is something wrong with using a teleprompter? Or are you hinting that he should memorize all his speeches or speak off-the cuff? Or, are you implying that using a teleprompter means that Obama is dumb? Well, if the latter, too bad for you. He was smart enough to beat Mitt Romney in the 2012 election, and he will be president until January 2017.

        • Renellin

          I'm sorry but you are boring me absolutely to tears. I provided you the link to the article about the Hawaiian official that claimed his records were lost. It was right around the time the Donald was speculating about what the big deal was.
          You go so far to document your little points--it's totally unnecessary. Until we found those WMDs in Syria, were you out there saying Bush lied? It's the same thing. If you can't find something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I wondered why the dems didn't apologize for all the lies they told about Bush lying once they were found. Remember we were told they flew to Syria when the Americans finally got around to invading.
          All the birther stuff, let people bring forth their evidence and decide if it's important to you. I will not call Obama the father of lies, but I will say he is a very loyal son to that father. Stop trying to tie your brain in knots trying to excuse him or his mother or whatever by endlessly repeating non-provable stuff.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: "I provided you the link to the article about the Hawaiian official that claimed his records were lost."

          Rational readers will can find that link for themselves. (http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252833/)

          It is a birther site, WND. The fact that a birther site says that somebody says something is not proof that the person actually said it.

          In fact, in this case, it is just another lie--like the lie that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (when she actually said that he was born in Hawaii. Birther sites simply ignored her words "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time," and claimed that she had said that he was born in Kenya, and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked "where was he born?----now, I wonder why they did that????)

          Other birther lies:

          (1) Birthers have said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it?

          (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

          (3) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

          (4) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was not born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

          (5) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not do that?

          (6) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they did that? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates." And the same sites never showed their readers the statement by the Kenyan government that it had investigated whether Obama was born in Kenya, and found that he WASN'T.

      • Ewade

        The Saudi's donated $20 Million to Harvard to get Obama in. Thus, the loyalty to the Muslimey Brotherhood.

        • smrstrauss

          Sure they did. The idea of their giving a cent to pay for the education of a black kid with socialist leanings who had never been to Saudi Arabia is completely loony.

      • cimiron

        and that would be fraud

      • Renellin

        I have heard that rumor, but I have never found where it was cited. Also the fact that he went to Pakistan when American passports couldn't get in, but I haven't seen his passport.

        • smrstrauss

          There was never a time when a person with an ordinary US passport could not get into Pakistan. That myth was created by birthers. Obama also never received a scholarship or even applied to college as a foreign student. That all came from AN APRIL FOOL'S ARTICLE. And he hasn't paid a cent to keep his college records "sealed." They are covered under the normal privacy laws, and the same law have kept the college records of Mitt Romney and John McCain and Bill Clinton from being revealed, and none of them published their records either.

        • GeneP54

          Actually, Mitt Romney and Bill Clinton HAVE submitted their college records and you can view them online. I don't know aobut McCain, but the other two I've read.

        • smrstrauss

          Neither Mitt Romney nor Bill Clinton showed their college records. Nor did McCain or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon or LBJ or JFK or Eisenhower. Re: "I've read." Sure you have. Sure. How many people are willing to buy a bridge from GeneP54???

        • GeneP54

          Mitt Romney graduated from BYU with a 3.97 GPA (first in his class), degree in English. In 1975 he graduated cum laude from Harvard Law School and in the top 5 percent of his class at Harvard Business School, etc., etc. You can find it online.
          I apologize for saying that I have read Bill Clintons. I was wrong, I was thinking about G.W. Bush whose records you CAN find online. You also can find several of the others, you just have to take the time to research it.
          I don't mind saying I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, but I don't much appreciate anyone denouncing me the way you did. If we can have an adult conversation, fine. If you're going to resort to name-calling or degredation, I'll simply ignore you.

        • smrstrauss

          Publishing grade point averages is not the same thing as publishing a transcript of grades in every course. No president has ever done that. G. W. Bush's transcript is online, but BUSH did not publish it; it was leaked illegally by a source at Yale. The fact that Bush's transcript was leaked does not mean that other president's grades should be leaked or that they need to publish them. Clinton didn't, nor did Bush, nor did Bush41, nor did Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon, etc. Obama, btw, graduated from Harvard Law School MAGNA CUM LAUDE.

    • patriciamlewis

      Your assuming his father was Frank Marshall Davis. However, have you looked at his half-brothers and seen the resemblance between them and him? They all look very much alike, and Davis didn't father *those* men.

      • Renellin

        But he doesn't look anything like BO Sr. That aside, mom was sexually active with at least Davis, and by all accounts, the marriage to BO Sr. was one of convenience alone. It had no real impact on Stanley and fam, because he was headed back to Africa anyway. There are more reports of Malcolm X fathering him as well. Not sure it's worth finding these guys and digging them up for the dna. It also takes nothing away from all his other lies and distortions.

        • patriciamlewis

          But his half-brothers don't look like their father either! They look like Obama II.

        • Renellin

          Whatever.

        • patriciamlewis

          "Whatever"? That's the liberal loser's response when proven to be in error about something. Surely you don't want to adopt that habit!

        • Renellin

          I admit it was lazy, but I think I've said all I had to say and you seem to just keep repeating. What people look like is the least of the indications.

        • john

          I think he was sired by a monkey

        • Renellin

          Or he shares a father with Brett Baier (I mean the ears)

        • GeneP54

          Or Alfred E. Newman (look at him from the back!) lol

      • john

        You sure

  • DWinch

    We are a nation run by criminals and have been for some time now!
    If all of Washington DC fell into a giant sinkhole, there would be dancing in the streets.

    • Knife10

      A look at the records of members of congress does, in deed, indicate many of them have violated the law or have problems with ethics. Let the dancing begin.

  • RonMar

    Gary, good piece of writing. I am enroute to my new home which will be a couple of hours from where I believe you are staying. After I get settled within a couple of weeks perhaps we can meet in your home area for a meal, coffee or other beverage of choice. I am eager to see how you are doing with the references I gave you in response to others of your articles on another site about Islam and Muslims in the US. The prospect of Obama being removed from office along with his entire regime of henchmen and women is exciting, and the possibility of everything he has done being undone so the recovery of the USA from Obamanation is a blessed Christmas and New Year present, at least a promise and hope of one.

    • cHUCK

      We must all pray that this hoped-for solution comes to pass. We must also all do our best to support those who are working "in the trenches" to make it happen, and to keep the pressure on our elected critters in an effort to make them listen to the facts as they are disclosed. There are also other things Congress can and should be doing to slow down the Obama trainwreck, such as nullifying (whenever possible) the executive orders he uses to bypass the legislative branch. Even Dems should recognize that it's not in their interests to allow this usurpation of power. Obama is ignoring the Constitution, bypassing Congress and destroying the separation of power. Once that is established, Obama - and any future president so inclined - can do pretty much as he pleases. Jump on your elected critters and try to educate them to the facts of political life.

      • smrstrauss

        If any of that were true, the Republicans in Congress would be holding hearings on impeaching Obama, and no such committee meeting has even been called.

        • Dan Williams

          Check back on November 7, 2014 when they can get the Senate to listen.

        • smrstrauss

          It isn't likely even then, but you have the right to dream. BTW, it takes a TWO-THIRDS vote of the US Senate, not merely a majority, to convict in an impeachment trial. Still,to return to my previous point, if the Republicans thought that Obama was "usurping" power, they could call impeachment hearings in the HOUSE now without waiting for the next election, but they haven't. Oh, and the US Congress (535 members, counting both houses together as is required in a confirmation vote) confirmed Obama's election after the 2008 and 2012 elections unanimously each time. UNANIMOUSLY.

      • RonMar

        I agree and jumped on the one - Sen. Bill Nelson - who needed jumping on long ago. Did it do any good? No. He still votes straight Dem Lib Obamaniac on everything as far as I know.

    • cimiron

      If they have all this proof, why would we have to wait till march, this is just ridiculas and a way to sell news, I will believe him being removed from office when I see it happen

      • ausscyn

        I know. While I wish with all my heart to see this scum & all related in jail, I've heard "WOLF!" called so many times, I usually ignore it now.

        • Renellin

          I received an email earlier that suggested that Obama try to emulate the late Nelson Mandela. He should start with 26 years in jail.

      • smrstrauss

        Re: "If they have all this proof..'

        Because, duh, they DON'T have the proof.

        http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

        • Dan Williams

          More BS

        • smrstrauss

          Are you saying that the National Review is BS?

      • RonMar

        Ask Gary DeMar. He wrote the article. I agree with him, and he is quoting one of Sheriff Arpaio's investigators - Zullo - on the March time frame with at least one qualifier about that month for the investigation to be solid enough to bring definitive action against the man with the most power at his command on the planet.
        I have heard all my life so far patience is a virtue, and these things do take time. I believe Obama is being slowed, delayed, stalled in the meantime in doing all the damage he wants to do as quickly as he wants to do it to the US, citizens, visitors and the world since he is the greatest threat since WWII to all of the foregoing.

        • smrstrauss

          The reason you will have to wait until March is that the Sheriff gets money from contributors and hopes to spin the "announcement" out as long as possible to get as much money as possible. In any case, he has announced potential blockbuster findings in the past, and nothing ever came of any of them. Here is what happened to his latest finding:

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/

        • RonMar

          You know as fact the first part of your post exactly how, and you so obviously imagine you are informing me. Too bad for you, you offered nothing I have not seen or heard before from Obamaniacs.

        • smrstrauss

          Answer: Past experience with Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse. But if you'd like to keep dreaming that they will find something new and dramatic in March, and would like to send them more money, go right ahead.

        • RonMar

          Curb your out-of-control imagination, making false assumptions and living your life based on lies you tell yourself first.
          I don't dream on the topic at hand, and I have strict rules about who gets my money.
          Also, I don't need your permission for anything I do. So mind your own business rather than trying to give me advice or permission. You are wasting your time and likely have far less left than you are aware.

        • smrstrauss

          I do not post for your benefit but for any rational person who may visit this site and seek the facts. Sheriff Joe is laughed at by the National Review

          http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

          And Sheriff Joe has been proven to have lied in the past:

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/

          And Sheriff Joe claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged despite the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii stating that the facts on it are exactly the same as on what they sent him,and the fact that Obama being born in Hawaii is confirmed by (1) the Index Data file; (2) the birth notices; (3) the teacher who wrote home.

        • smrstrauss

          Here is the Index Data file:

          http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

          Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

          (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

          Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

          http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

        • smrstrauss

          And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

          http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

        • RonMar

          My suggestions were for your benefit so you would not look like such a willfully ignorant going to stupid, easily-duped fool, idiot really, racist Dem Lib Obamaniac on a wolrdwide-available, public site, but you insist on doing so. LOL.
          You consider yourself a "rational person" and have bought the lies of the Obama and his tyrannical, oppressive, despotic, evil Marxist-Islamic regime? Now that is real funny, more than just LOL, it is a real knee slapper, belly-hurting, tears-in-the-eyes LOL.
          I laugh at the National Review.
          Obama has been proven to be a habitual and pathological liar. Anyone not blind and dumb can see Obama's birth certificates - both the long and short form - are forged, his other documents too like his Selective Service application and more. Clearly Obama has something to hide and has gone to great lengths to do so. Wake up please. Stop acting against your own best interests.
          Politicians and people working for them "of BOTH parties" are routinely bought or coerced into doing and saying lots of things.

          FYI, I believe Obama might have been born to two natural-born US citizens in HI but not the son of the drunken Kenyan Marxist-Islamist who killed himself in a drunken car crash. I am also near certain Obama was an Indonesian citizen while living in Indonesia with his slutty momma and the Islamist Lolo Soetoro, and re-named Barry Soetoro. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time, and there is no evidence of which I am aware that Obama ever re-gained his US citizenship if he had it in the first place.*
          If you have anything else to say on this matter please post it. You are providing me a lot of laughter in this holiday season and celebration of the birth of Jesus the Christ.
          *All of that information is from Obama's purported autobiographies and the many, diverse, often mutually-exclusive stories he has told about himself and his sordid past before, during and after his first appearance on the national scene at the '04 DNC in Chicago. If you have a problem with it take it up with Obama.

  • Dan Williams

    The most humongous Fraud ever perpetrated upon the American citizens!
    Merry Christmas to you all and hopefully, it will be a Happy New Year too!

  • sengal

    Hollywood producer Bettina Viviano, who was formerly the vice president of production for Steven Spielberg’s Amblin Entertainment, has come forward and is claiming that a Hillary Clinton staffer told her that a clear message was sent to Bill and Hillary Clinton back in 2008: Voice doubts that Obama is ineligible, and Chelsea Clinton's life would be in jeopardy.

    Again, Viviano's allegation is not substantiated, but it is no secret that Bill and Hillary Clinton were the original "birthers." Did Bill and Hillary stop insinuating that Obama was not eligible out of loyalty to the Democratic party, or were there other motives behind their silence?

    • dangkids

      I also heard the same about somebody threatening Chelsea's life because Bill and Hildabeast had PROOF that Barack is a liar and a thief!

      • smrstrauss

        If Obama had threatened Chelsea's life, and it isn't very likely, then they would just have threatened Obama's children right back. They were at the time, and still are, all protected by the US Secret Service.

        • sengal

          Your kind of logic reminds me of a liberals way of getting on the defensive with very little evidence. So with all this info you're providing on this site, which is loony, you think its going to change anything? It is what it is, and Obama is still a fraud period and very dangerous. Even an appeals court judge agrees he hasn't abided by the Constitution. Take your propaganda somewhere else like the Huff and Puff Post where they'll agree with you and stay the hell out. .

        • smrstrauss

          Rational people will notice that sengal has not responded to the facts. There is no evidence that Obama threatened Chelsea's life, and she was at the time being protected by the Secret Service. And, if Obama had threatened Chelsea's life, the Clinton's were perfectly capable of threatening Obama's children's lives. So the mere claim, mere speculation, that he threatened, is not supported by reason. AND there are no facts to confirm the allegation in any case.

        • sengal

          Facts according to who, liberal moron? The rags from the left-wing or your very own corrupt government? Wasn't this the same government that said:

          First of all, if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan - you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."
          President Barack Obama
          7/16/2009

          REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
          AT NEW JERSEY RALLY FOR (crook) GOVERNOR JON CORZINE
          Give me a break, low information voter.

        • smrstrauss

          Try to use a little common sense. Obama may have lied about health care---and presidents have often lied about what they are trying to do.

          But that is not evidence that he threatened Chelsea's life. There is no evidence for that at all, and if he had, the Clintons were prefectly capable of threatening back.

          Also, Obama's lie does not mean that the STATE OF HAWAII lied when it issued him a birth certificate back in 1961. Nor does it mean that the Republican former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a friend of Sarah Palin's, was lying when she confirmed that Hawaii has his birth certificate on file and sent copies of it to him. Nor does it mean that the THREE officials who all confirmed that they saw the birth certificate in the files, where it supposed to be, and that they sent copies to Obama, were lying. Nor does it mean that the statements by those officials, some in legal papers, were lying when they said that the facts on the birth certificate that the White House put online are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him.

          Yes, Obama lied, but they so did birther sites, repeatedly:

          (1) Birthers have said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it?

          (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

          (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

          (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

          (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was not born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

          (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not do that?

          (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they did that? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

          In addition to the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii, the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii is shown by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii---and by the teacher who wrote home. It is unlikely that they all were forged or are lying. And the idea that Obama's mother traveled abroad late in pregnancy ALONE is loony.

        • sengal

          Obama has been found to tell more than one lie or two. His birth certificate is a fraud according to experts and even the governor of Hawaii couldn't find the original one. His own Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. He has a fraudulent social security card and his selective service card is also a fraud. He spent over 3 million dollars to conceal his personal records. if anyone would spend that much to hide their college transcripts and birth records.. we
          gotta know there is something very fishy going on. So live with it...

        • smrstrauss

          Obama did lie, as have other presidents. But Obama has not lied as much as birth sites at all. They have lied OVERWHELMINGLY. And one of the LIES is that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

          (1) Birthers have said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy---the guy who posted it.)

          (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

          (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

          (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

          (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

          (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

          (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

          (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did NOT tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC---when there weren't ANY???

          (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

          Rational readers will notice that sengal has himself repeated some of the lies on the list. The "the governor could not find the original" lie, and the "Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya" lie and the 'Social Security fraud (not mistake)" lie, and the "Selective Service Card was forged by Obama (not by a birther)" lie, and the "he spent millions" lie.

          And the "the birth certificate was forged" claim is another lie--just a more complicated one based on such allegations as that a pdf image of a complex document would not show layers when opened in Illustrator (but, duh, it would).

        • sengal

          All the excuses coming from you are not going change anything. The truth is the truth. Your president is a fraudulent Muslim who hates this country, wants to destroy its constitution and the only thing standing in the way are the American people who know better. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid and argue your pointless lies, it won't make a bit of difference except to all you lemmings. Example: o'stupid's popularity is down to 41%. And that's high, it should really be at 10% after Obamacare...

        • smrstrauss

          Presidents' approval ratings go up and down, but they do not show that the president is a Muslim (Obama drinks and does not pray facing Mecca five times a day and eats food during the daylight hours during Ramadan and was baptized at rev. Wright's church as were his children). And they do not show that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his birth certificate was forged either.

        • sengal

          Ah yes, I remember Rev Wright. I clearly remember Obama's pastor say blacks should not sing " God Bless America" but " God damn America." What excuse are you giving this time? You are kidding yourself when you say Obama was born in this country. Show us proof. Have him release his personal records, both college and birth certificate. Because the one on his website is definitely a forgery.

        • smrstrauss

          Wright said it, not Obama. The claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged is simply another birther LIE. As for me kidding myself, well, IF you sincerely think that Obama was born in a foreign country, you could answer this:

          For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

          (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

          (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

          (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

          If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

          So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

          (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

        • sengal

          My parents always used to say 'be careful who you follow, or it will come back to haunt you. Guilt by association is Obama's mantra...
          Obama's mama was a tramp, who posed for porn pictures. Who knows whose kid Obama was. Frank Marshal Davis, Farrakan, etc. She wasn't even married to Obama Sr. He could've impregnated her then dumped her...No proof of that either. He does not resemble his so called father at all...But did try to capitalized on it by writing a silly book.

    • Ewade

      That's ridiculous. They work for the same puppet masters. Hitlery was promised the 2016 Presidency and told how to play along as Sec of State. Obama was groomed for this as the Manchurian candidate from early on. Consider the "Hollywood" source. It's all one great big Kabuki Theater.

      • sengal

        Ridiculous, why??? Because you say so?

      • smrstrauss

        Hillary (and John McCain too) checked out whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii, and when she (and McCain) found out that the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming, they stopped checking.

        For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

        (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

        (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

        (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

        If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

        So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened? (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.

        • Dan Williams

          Your facts are skewed and into an Obama style deception. I am sure you are being paid to do this in this space.

        • smrstrauss

          Rational people will notice that Dan Williams has not answered the question or even tried to, and he has not even said how my facts are "skewed." Oh, and BTW, I'm not paid.

  • GeneP54

    For all of you who stand in defense of the guy in the office of the president now, go on and support him...and remember your arguements about how his is 'natural born' when we elect Ted Cruz!

  • patriciamlewis

    It wasn't Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg that Obama was flirting. It was the PM of Denmark, Helle Thorning-Schmidt. Are your other statements just as wrong? Not that I disagree with the premise that Obama's a disaster...

  • 1462

    First of all Obamas father is a loyal British subject............... End of Subject This means that even if Obama were legit, and he is not, he could only be a Dual Citizen at best and thus still does not qualifiy under Article II having to be born of two USA Born Citizens......... Obama's Attornies have presented 4 FRAUDULANT BC's to the Southern Federal Courts and the 4th is being touted as the
    FRANKENSTIEN of all fraudulant documents because it has over 100 layers to it. His SS number was issued to someone out of the state of Conneticuit who has long since been dead.... and his Selective Service Registration is also fraudulant.........

    • Renellin

      I thought BO senior was not so fond of England and wanted them out of Africa.

      • 1462

        not true propaganda

        • Renellin

          Not true propaganda. BO sr or jr so fond of England that BO jr sends back bust of Winston Churchill, and gives the queen a selection of his speeches in the wrong format. That looks like a lot of respect to me. bo sr was a very political figure and it wasn't for continued rule by britain.

    • smrstrauss

      Neither the citizenship of the father nor that of the mother nor in fact the citizenship of BOTH of them have any effect on the Natural Born Citizen status of a child born on US soil. Every child born on US soil, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is a Natural Born US citizen.

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States
      citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham
      (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United
      States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate
      Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch
      (R-UT).

      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle
      of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other
      than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from
      birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural
      born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however,
      is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural
      born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et
      al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was
      Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a
      well-known Conservative organization.]

      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/

      Re SS number. Birther sites have not told you that SS Administration clerks made millions of mistakes, and that if a single digit was entered wrong in entering a zip code it would generate a SS number from a place other than where the applicant was.

      Re Selective Service card. You have pointed out that it was forged, and indeed it WAS forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it? (Answer, the guy who put it online, of course, and he is a birther.)

      • Dan Williams

        Some truth here, except Barry Soetoro was born in Mombasa, when it was the British Protectorate of East Africa.

        • smrstrauss

          Neither Obama nor Soetoro (which is a name that Obama used in Indonesia but never changed to legally---nor was he adopted) was born in Mombasa, and it is a truly nutty idea.

          Did you know that only 21 people total came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 according to the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for that year? And did you know that all but one of them came by SHIP? And did you know that there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961?

          Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for fiscal 1961:

          http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n0/mode/1up

          Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

          On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

          So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

          The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

          Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

          Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

          And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

          And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

          “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

          “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

          http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

        • CaMaven

          Since British archives show a child born to Barack Obama Sr on 8/4/1961 in The East African Protectorate (which Kenya was then a part of), your stuff looks pretty shaky.

          In any case, it appears that his name was legally changed and there's no record of it ever being changed back from the name he was legally using there. So, he may not even legally be "Obama."

        • smrstrauss

          No they don't. There was once a report on a birther site that an unnamed group of unnamed people saw a record in the British archives, but no named person has ever seen it, much less published a copy of it. And there is NO evidence that Obama's name was legally changed, only that he used his step-father's Indonesian name when he was in Indonesia, which is neither illegal nor immoral.

          Re "Shaky.'

          Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 according to the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) report for that year. So to base your speculation that Obama was born in Kenya on a report on a birther site that an unnamed group of unnamed people saw something in British files, which has never been confirmed, is REALLY SHAKY.

          Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for fiscal 1961:

          http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n0/mode/1up

          Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

          On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

          So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

          There were, by the way, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).

          Oh, and the Hawaii government (officials of BOTH parties including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii all show that Obama was born in Hawaii. And the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama was NOT born in Kenya.

          The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

          Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

          Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

          And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

          And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

          “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

          “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

          http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

        • smrstrauss

          The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

          Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

          Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

          And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

          And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

          “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

          “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

          http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

      • CaMaven

        Nonsense.
        Here are Applicable law, founders' words, court precedents, facts:
        http://art2superpac.com/issues.html

        • smrstrauss

          Nonsense yourself.

          “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

          “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

          “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone
          born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

          "Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens;
          the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. ...St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

          (Notice that the above quotation refers only to the place of birth, not to the parents. And Tucker and Rawle, shown below, knew the writers of the US Constitution, and in fact Rawle was a friend of both Washington and Franklin.)

          "Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)

          Some reading on the subject:

          http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

          http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

        • smrstrauss
      • 1462

        this is twisted propaganda from the NWO LEFTISTS

        Nataural born status you MUST be born of two USA Born Parents Article II

        The purpose is to ensure that you have but allegence to the USA ONLY and to no other Nation and yes
        Obama'S FATHER IS Loyal British Subject and that would make Obama a DUAL CITIZEN Dual Citizens CANNOT be President!

        Its been proven Obama is Kenyan BOrn he was never born in the USA! BC's are Fraudulant, SS fraudulant, Selective Service registration fraudulant we have live footage of Obama admitting he was born in Kenya, his kenyan GOvernment also validates this...... His college records clearly show he was Kenyan. His own attornies have provided 4 fraudulant BC's to the Federal Courts Alabama 4th being touted as the FRANKENSTIEN of all fraudulant Documents because it has over 100 layers to it!
        200 Shefifffs pkgs were given to 200 Congressmen and Senetors before thanklsgiving with Provost Marchal as wittness.... they were told Obama is a Criminal Fraud USURPER and that they muct remove him....they were given a deadline and iof they do not they are looking at 25 to life!
        ehough of the lies!!

        Subject: Re: New comment posted on New Evidence in Obama Birth Certificate Investigation

        • smrstrauss

          Re: "Nataural born status you MUST be born of two USA Born Parents Article I.'

          The word "Parents" does not appear in the US Constitution, and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.

          Re: "Its been proven Obama is Kenyan BOrn he was never born in the USA! BC's
          are Fraudulant, SS fraudulant, Selective Service registration fraudulant
          we have live footage of Obama admitting he was born in Kenya, his
          kenyan GOvernment also validates this..."

          Answer: Rave on. His Selective Service is indeed fraudulent because a BIRTHER posted it, and forged it. His SS number is the result of one of many typograpical errors. The video was forged (you cannot see Obama's mouth move, and the original of that video has been found and it does not say "born in Kenya"), and the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born in Kenya (and the US INS said that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961) and the Hawaii birth certificates (which only birthers claim were forged, so what else is new?) and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the birth notices, all show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

          The rest of the above is simply loony raving.

        • 1462

          Please ....The Constitution is the Law of this Land wether you like it or not..you just cannot ignore it cause it stands in your Marxist plans to Overthrow these United States NWO TROLL!!! The Constitution is very specific on what these people can and cannot do... it lays out very specifically the parameters under which these Criminally De Facto traitors MUST operate..... Right now they are all operating OUTSIDE the Constitution and all they do is NULL and VOID........ Sooner than later these people will pay the price for their Sedition and Treason...Mass Arrests are just around the Corner so I hope they have their running sneakers ready........!

          Your entire statement is total BULLSHIT.....its meant for Obamazombies that do not know how to think for themselves.... These things have all been VALIDATED through EXTENSIVE RESEARCH by Law enforcement FORENSIC DOCUMENT SPECIALISTS and the Military and many other Intellegence Sources that you my sorry freind are obviously not PRIVY to, but I am.......

          I am on the inside with the need to know!

          Subject: Re: New comment posted on New Evidence in Obama Birth Certificate Investigation

        • smrstrauss

          The Constitution says that Natural Born Citizens are eligible to be president, and the meaning of Natural Born at the time referred to the place of birth, and the US Supreme Court ruled that that was so and that EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen (except for the children of foreign diplomats):

          “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli,
          persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children
          of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus,
          those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens"
          and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether
          children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born
          citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al,
          THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

          And despite the allegations of the biased Sheriff Joe, Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the birth notices and the Index Data all show:

          Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

          http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
          Here is the Index Data file:

          http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

        • smrstrauss

          Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

          (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

        • 1462

          BUT article II is CLEAR....you must be born of two naturally born USA Parents not just one!!!!!
          Obamas father is a Loyal British Subject which if Obama were born in the USA would make him nothing more than a DUAL CITIZEN and under Article II Dual Citizens cannot be President.....

          In 1871 when King George had his whores in the 41st Congress deliberately Hid the Origional Constitution and the Origional 13th Amendment from the American people and illegally created their Criminal De Facto USA CORPORATION. They deliberately Deceived and Defrauded the American people and forced them into a Criminal Debt Fraud Slavery System without their Knowleg and Consent... it was all NULL and VOID and it was an act of High Treason hense if you want to get technical everything that has been done since 1871 all the laws bills amendments executive orders treaties mandates basically everything that has been done behind the backs of the American people to layout the foundation tho their criminal NWO is all NULL and VOID!!!

          The reason the 13th Amendment was hidden was because in it, under "Titles of Nobility" it clearly stated that Attorney's are FORBIDDEN to hold Public Office at any level and if they deliberately violated this they fofitted their Citizenship and were booted out of this country!!! King George needed all his Criminal Whores in Office Attorney's in Washington .... Technically The people that call themselves our Congressmen and Senetors are actually the "Board of Directors and whores for England, wether you know it or not every year when the 1040's are filed England was sent their CUT$!.......

          You see, Attorney's are called Barristers and hold a title of Nobility ....Esq. In order to be an Attorney you have to swear allegence to the British Crown and thus is why Article II was Created because our ForeFathers wanted to make sure that Natural Born Citizens being born of TWO legitimately born USA citizens because in order to be President you can bear allegence but to one Nation.........the USA!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          This is my last response.........

          Subject: Re: New comment posted on New Evidence in Obama Birth Certificate Investigation

        • smrstrauss

          The word "parents" is not mentioned in the US Constitution, and the meaning of the term Natural Born at the time referred to the place of birth, not to the parents.

          If the writers of the Constitution had intended to change the meaning from the common meaning at that time, the common law meaning (and BTW, John Jay, who first wrote about a Natural Born Citizen in his letter to George Washington, was an expert in the common law, and if he had intended to change the meaning, he would have said so), they would have told us. (Vattel, by the way, recommends several things that the US Constitution did not accept, such as a state religion, and he is not mentioned in the Federalist Papers at all, while the common law is mentioned about twenty times, and always with praise.)

          “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli,
          persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children
          of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus,
          those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens"
          and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether
          children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born
          citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al,
          THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

          More reading on the subject:

          http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

          http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

          http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/

          http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

        • 1462

          Your twisting History and the Constitution and the writings of our Forefathers i will not respond to your trash any longer I am a Constitutional Schollar......
          Subject: Re: New comment posted on New Evidence in Obama Birth Certificate Investigation

        • smrstrauss

          Me "twisting history"? Did you notice the quotation above from THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION? Are you denying that John Jay was an expert in the common law? Are you denying that Vattel was not mentioned even once in the Federalist Papers and that the common law was mentioned about twenty times?

          Obama was sworn in twice by the Chief Justice of the USA, who knows the Constitution. He was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY twice by the US Congress, and most of its members are lawyers and know the Constitution. And not a single member of the US Electoral College, which has final say on who is elected president under the Constitution, changed her or his vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or from Obama to MItt Romney in 2012 out of the loony idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the nutty legal theory that two citizen parents are required for a US-born child to be a Natural Born Citizen.

          Meese and the Heritage Foundation are right, and you are wrong. The articles are right, and you are wrong.

  • 1462

    There is also a FAIL SAFE built into the Bill of Rights and if Obama were found guilty in atleast 3 American Grand Juries he can be arrested and removed....to date, Obama and Biden have been found GUILTY of Fraud Treason Sedition and Conspiracy to Overthrow in more than 6 American grand Juries!!!! The last was in Florida!
    here is something nice Justice Roberts actually saved the American people from ObamaCare and the only ones who have to sign up are Corporations and their Officers...... Here is an analysis of what Robers said what he did and how he wrote it but they dont want you to know...furthermore they cannot fine you nor can they put leans on your assets to make you pay!!!
    Justice Roberts Traitor or Patriot?
    http://lucas2012infos.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/traitor-or-patriot-12-december-2013/
    Article 1 Section 7 Clause 2

    As long as a FRAUD SUSURPS the Office of President acting as a PRETENDER President
    Congress and the Senate can make and pass NO LAWS NOR does the Senate have the power or Authority to ratify not even the TP they use to wipe their asses!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No laws of Congress are valid
    “Congress can pass no law while a usurper pretends to occupy “the Office of President.” The Constitution provides that “[e]very Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States” (Article I, Section 7, Clause 2). Not to a usurper posturing as “the President of the United States,” but to the true and rightful President. If no such true and rightful President occupies the White House, no “Bill” will or can, “before it become a Law, be presented to [him].” If no “Bill” is so presented, no “Bill” will or can become a “Law.” And any purported “Law” that the usurper “approve[s]” and “sign[s],” or that Congress passes over the usurper’s “Objections,” will be a nullity. Thus, if Obama deceitfully “enters office” as an usurper, Congress will be rendered effectively impotent for as long as it acquiesces in his pretenses as “President.””
    And
    Obama Could not be Removed Except by Force
    As a USURPER posturing as “the President,” Congress cannot even impeach Obama because, not being the actual President, he cannot be “removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (see Article II, Section 4). In that case, some other public officials would have to arrest him—with physical force, if he would not go along quietly—in order to prevent him from continuing his imposture. Obviously, this could possibly lead to armed conflicts within the General Government itself, or among the States and the people. BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF WE ARE TO SAVE HER! America.
    Bear in mind, that as an imposter Commander–in-Chief of the Armed Forces, “he will be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from anyone in those Armed forces and Law Enforcment. Indeed, for officers or men to follow any of his purported “orders” including law enforcement will constitute a serious breach of military discipline—and in extreme circumstances perhaps even “war crimes.” In addition, no one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch of the General Government will be required to put into effect any of Obama’s purported “proclamations,” “executive orders,” or “directives” (Viera, J.).
    These two letters are from Judge Dale.... I warn you that if your not open to wanting to hear the truth stop here...You and your chidren in school are being lied to decieved and dummied down by Communist Socialist Engineers in a deliberate Agenda to overthrow this Nation..... Here is a serious History lesson:
    http://lucas2012infos.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/judge-dale-retd-the-missing-13th-amendment-17-april-2013/#more-48879

    http://angellucci.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/oppt-in-the-sovereign-citizen-by-judge-dale-retired/
    DICK ACT of 1902... CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) - Protection Against Tyrannical Government
    http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/3949
    DICK ACT of 1902... CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) - Protection Against Tyrannical Government
    http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/3949

    • smrstrauss

      "People's grand juries"---meaning selected groups of people all of whom hate Obama. Another term for a "People's Grand Jury" is a Kangaroo Court.

      • Dan Williams

        BS

        • smrstrauss

          Rational people will notice that Dan Williams has not discussed the issue of whether a "People's Grand Jury" is a real grand jury or whether it is fair. All he says is BS. Well, BS to him. A People's Grand Jury is not a real grand jury, and in this case since every single member who sat on that jury was somebody who hated Obama it could hardly be considered fair. The reason that there has never been a REAL grand jury on Obama is that no attorney general in the USA, not one, has found any crimes to charge him with. So birthers called on other birthers to join them, and set up "People's Grand Juries." But they do not mean a thing. They are, as Dan Williams puts it, "BS."

        • CaMaven

          Citizens' Grand Juries are not perfect, but probably much "fairer" than the kangaroo courts which have been improperly denying standing, using dismissed non-precedents from inappropriate jurisdictions and a Citizenship ruling in place of a natural born Citizenship ones from actual Supreme Court precedents such As Minor v Happersett, Venus, refusing to uphold their own laws for candidate vetting, proof of eligibility, etc.

        • smrstrauss

          "Citizens' Grand Juries" have no legal standing whatever, and if they are called by zealots on an issue and the members of the "jury" are other zealots, obviously they are not fair.

          Minor v. Happersett, BTW, does not say what birthers think. You should be smart enough to unravel what it said. It said something similar to this: "It has never been doubted that if you wore both suspenders and a belt, that will hold your pants up." A little thinking and you will realize that the statement does not say that you have to wear both suspenders and a belt to hold your pants up. And, BTW, the Wong Kim Ark case was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, and it ruled six-to-two (one not voting) that EVERY child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen. (Yes, it did, and ten appeals courts ruling on presidential eligibility have all referred to that ruling, and none cited Minor v. Happersett.)

          When about 200 courts have denied standing, it is about time to realize that the case does not have standing.

        • Renellin

          You make these blanket statements that I suspect could not possibly be true. Every single member hated Obama? How could you possibly know this?

        • smrstrauss

          Because the "People's Grand Juries" were called by birthers, and BTW, they never even published the names of the "jury" members.

        • Renellin

          I will never understand why anyone questioning for factual accuracy is always labeled hate by liberals. Trump merely asked the question and was called a birther and ravaged by the libby press. Have you noticed they don't generally published the names of juries, largely for their own privacy and safety? Show me the evidence that all members of those juries hate Obama.

        • smrstrauss

          Just as the news media have stopped believing "I saw the aliens land" stories without waiting to hear the alleged substantiation, they also blow off the birthers because the birthers make about as much sense as the believers in flying saucers.

          For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

          (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

          (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

          (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

          If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

          So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

          (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.)

          Re not publishing the names of the members of the "Citizens Grand Juries" for their own privacy and not that they were all birthers. Sure. Would you buy a bridge from Renellin?

      • 1462

        hello New World Order Whore!

        Subject: Re: New comment posted on New Evidence in Obama Birth Certificate Investigation

      • patriot4life

        Buck Ofama and Buck you too !!

      • Renellin

        So next time you get charged with a felony (probably happens often) you can just tell the prosecutor that a grand jury is simply a kangaroo court. Troll.

        • smrstrauss

          A real grand jury is called by real district attorney and is subject to the rulings of a real judge. "People's grand juries" are simply mobs of people, and in this case they were all birthers. No district attorney has called a real grand jury on any alleged crime of Obama's. "People's Grand Juries" are groups of birthers repeating what they have heard on birther sites.

  • 1462
  • blauglas

    Americans (that leaves-out the fraud-impostor-muslime-socialist-marxist-saboteur destructor of OUR Country [it is NOT obummers]-FAG-liar-in-cheef occupyng OUR White House): ALL are LIES from mouth-gullet-of-obummer ! ALL is part of PLANNED destruction agenda of obummer-liar-in-cheef to destroy OUR Country [it is NOT obuumers, who is NOT an American]. Continued FRAUD: US Citizens [obummer is NOT an American]

    • patriot4life

      To the Gallows !!

      • smrstrauss

        Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

        http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

        • CaMaven

          Also those faux "confirmations" do is solidify their perjury and misprision of felony cases. In any case, Linda Lingle and Brian Abercrombie had no legal right to be rummaging around the birth certificate archives in any case.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: "In any case, Linda Lingle and Brian Abercrombie had no legal right to be
          rummaging around the birth certificate archives in any case."

          And you know this---how? The governor of a state probably has just as much right as the members of the department of health to look at birth certificate records. And, Linda Lingle's confirmation was just one of THREE confirmations by Republicans and Republican appointees, including Fukino and Onaka, and their confirmations and that of the Democrats are in addition to the birth notices and the Index Data.

          Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

          (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

          Here is the Index Data file:

          http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

          And the chance of Obama's mother having a passport were very low since very few 18-year-olds did in those days, and the chance of Obama's mother having traveled abroad ALONE late in pregnancy was extremely low due to the risk of stillbirth (and WND has prove that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961).

        • patriot4life

          BS !! NOTHING ANYONE ANYWHERE WILL CONVINCE ME OR COUNTLESS OTHERS THAT THIS POS WAS BORN THE USA !!! .. Did you ever hear actions speak louder than Words !!! ... Buck Ofama the Fraud !! .

        • smrstrauss

          Rational people will notice that patriot4life has just said that he would not be convinced by the facts. (I wonder why???)

        • patriot4life

          The Fact is that O' POS is a Fraud !! ... and ANYONE WHO STILL THINKS DIFFERENT IS ON WELFARE OR THE DOLE ... Because People who WORK ARE SICK OF THIS BS !!! ... Buck Ofama !!! . " The Tree of Liberty must be Refreshed from Time to Time with the Blood of Patriots and TYRANTS " .... Thomas Jefferson . A Real Leader !!! .

        • ellen

          NONE of which shows that Obama was born in a foreign country or not a Natural Born Citizen. The last NATIONAL meeting of conservatives seeking "revolution"--that of Larry Klaymann back on November 19th, drew considerably fewer than 200 people. In fact, it was probably less than 100---but there might be a few people in the picture that cannot be seen because they were blocked by other people standing in front. And, IF anything were to happen to Obama, then Joe Biden would become president.

        • patriot4life

          Big Whoop .. Buck Ofama !!

  • Carlene

    Not wrong, there are three requirements for eligiblity. Look it up.

  • Pat Nash

    I guarantee if US deported the President's illegal Aunt Odinga, and Uncle whatever his name is, we would find out where he was born. they would expose all skeletons in his closet. I don't know what they call them in Kenya.

  • smrstrauss

    Re Sheriff Joe, Zullo, and the Cold Case Posse:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

    • Knife10

      I read the National Review article. I encourage everyone to read it. There is nothing in the article that disproves what Joe Arpaio and his investigators have reported. It's just more left wing bluster with no supporting facts.

      • gonzo731

        Um you know the National Review is a conservative magazine, right?

        • Knife10

          The language used by the "editors" who wrote the article indicates otherwise. In this particular article it appears the NR is an establishment republican publication that's doing a Boehner on conservatives. The article couldn't have been more left wingish if it had been written by the Huffington Post.

        • smrstrauss

          So you disagree with it. So what? You a committed birther disagree with the National Review. So what else is new?

        • Knife10

          And you, a pejorative name calling Obama apologizer, agree with it. So what else is new? Nothing. It's what liberals and RINOs do.

        • smrstrauss

          Yes, I agree with the National Review that Sheriff Joe is a nut. There is further evidence of that in this:

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/

          There is considerably more evidence in these FACTS:

          (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);

          (2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;

          (3) the public Index Data file;

          (4) the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

          (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

          (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now---twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

          (7) no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961;

          (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

          (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);

          (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

          (11) Birther sites having lied about what Obama's grandmother said, and other things too, makes it highly likely that their "document experts" are lying too---and numerous real document experts say that the birth certificate is not forged, and that is confirmed by the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre (which shows how that product scans documents and compresses them using layers and pixillaton).

        • CaMaven

          LOL, National Review "Conservative?" Try Establishment NeoCon. They are no more interested in debunking the Obama "birth certificate" than Mother Jones is. Maybe they are just a bit nervous about their own potential ineligible candidates: Santorum, Cruz, Jindal, and their darling, Rubio,

          I suppose that to a Socialist "True Believer" like Mr. Strauss, anyone to the right of Jimmy Carter looks "Conservative." But the Republican establishment in general is scared to death of questioning the Obama birth narrative legend. I really don't know where he was born, but something is definitely seriously wrong when all the paperwork is either forged, hidden or just missing.

          NR seemed to have lost interest in the subject in 2011 and missed out on all the fun of the forged 4/27/11 whitehouse.gov BC, the forged Selective Service registration, the exposure of two different short form "Certification of Live Birth" forgeries, Obama's E-Verify fail and the saga of the borrowed Socail Securiiy numbers, such as 042-68-4425.

          But, no matter. We already have slam dunk proof of forgery and Obama hasn't produced a shred of valid, legal proof that he was eligible. In any case, his claimed foreign father already rules that out.

        • gonzo731

          Do you enjoy posting horrible wrong truthiness?

        • CaMaven

          No Gonzo and I don't, but it's evident you do,

        • smrstrauss

          Okay, you, a birther, do not like the National Revew. So what else is new?

          Re "slam dunk proof of forgery.'

          Dream on.

          http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

          Obama's E-Verify fail is explained very simply. When your ss number has been published people often realize that this opens them up to other people using it, so what do they do? Answer: They cancel it and get a new one. So, what happens when birthers check the old number with E-Verify? Answer, duh, it has been cancelled, so it does not exist anymore, so it fails.

          Obama's Selective Service registration was not published by Obama. It was indeed forged---by the guy who put it online, a birther (I wonder why he did that????)

          The citizenship of Obama's father has no effect whatever on Obama's Natural Born Citizen status. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law (not from Vattel), and it refers to the place of birth (not the citizenship of the parents), and hence every child born on US soil (and Obama's birth in Hawaii has been shown OVERWHELMINGLY) is a Natural Born US Citizen.

          Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons
          born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of
          enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those
          persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and
          eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether
          children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born
          citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al,
          THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

          "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

        • smrstrauss
        • smrstrauss

          Yes, that is why I quoted it. It reflects the views of rational conservatives about their feeling that Sheriff Joe is biased and not to be trusted. (For another example of why he should not be trusted, see above.)

        • gonzo731

          I appreciate it. I am not a conservative (pretty moderate actually), but I am afraid of one-party rule and want at least two nationally viable parties. This whole issue of Obama's legitimacy is just hurting the Republicans.

          I figure the country is stronger when we have different sides coming together to find good solutions to our problems.

          Have a great day!

        • Knife10

          "This whole issue of Obama's legitimacy is just hurting the Republicans."

          Perhaps a more accurate statement is Obama's credibility is hurting Obama.

        • gonzo731

          Do you realize not a single expert believes Obama is ineligible to run for president? You are grasping at straws when you refuse to believe NR said regarding Obama's birth.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: "No one is taking this stuff seriously."

          Well put.

          In fact, Obama won 356 votes in the general election of 2008, and 356 electors voted for him. In other words, not one single elector changed her or his mind because of the nutty idea that Obama was born outside the USA or the crazy legal theory that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.

          Obama won 332 votes in the general election of 2012, and 332 electors voted for him. In other words, not one single elector changed her or his mind because of the nutty idea that Obama was born outside the USA or the crazy legal theory that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.

          And Obama was confirmed by the US Congress unanimously twice, and that is 535 votes each time, and that includes Rep. Ron Paul and Rep. Michelle Bachmann.

        • Knife10

          To date it's been a question of what "experts" you ask. Eventually we may get to the truth of the matter about Obama...eventually because Obama doesn't seem inclined to provide the information. A simple DNA test, for example, would show who his father really was. Access to his other records would put an end to speculation. So much for his promise of "openness". His track record for forthrightness hasn't exactly been reassuring.

        • gonzo731

          Would you please just admit no amount of evidence could ever persuade you?

        • Knife10

          You don't have any evidence. Obama won't release his records. I'm not the problem. Obama is the problem.

        • gonzo731

          He released his short and long form birth certificates. The State of Hawaii verified them. Are you sure you aren't part of the problem? No expert takes Sheriff Joe's posse seriously, and you are seriously acting like it is a personal affront to you that he was elected and reelected. Therefore, you might want to seek some medical help.

        • CaMaven

          Where are the certified hard copy Certificate(s) of Live Birth? Why haven't they been made available to non-Obama partisans for vetting? Why isn't the HI DOH vault opened for inspection? HI law allows release in cases of compelling public interest. If this isn't one, I don't know what would be. This is the biggest political scandal in history., The forged digital image right on the web site of the House of The People has totally blown the credibility of the Obama birth story and all the enablers who have lied to help preserve the legend, at the expense of their reputations and souls, but I doubt you believe in souls.

          Actually, experts are taking the Cold Case Posse's story quite seriously.

        • gonzo731

          Bozo the Clown doesn't count as an expert. No one is taking this group seriously. Do you not get that? They have been promising stuff for years and haven't delivered anything.

        • CaMaven

          Yupo. But, Bozo's in the White House, you're part of a sideshow and yes, he hasn't delivered any legal proof of eligibility.

          The Cold Case Posse delivered proof of what they promised- they vetted the Obama Whitehouse.gov "birth certificate" digital image, which is not even legally admissible. They have proven it fraud, which is backed up by many other people, including Reed Hays.

          Then, they also went and confirmed Obama's Selective Service registration as an outrageous fraud and showed evidence of Social Security fraud and possible foreign student status. Now Obama needs to produce the goods or his credibility will dwindle even further.

          You obots are doing quite poorly at holding the line lately and are losing ground, even with the establishment on your side,

        • Knife10

          @ CaMaven: It's puzzling why people like gonzo731 and strauss are motivated to defend someone like Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro as they do, CaMaven, until you accept the fact that they are liberals...and liberalism strongly resembles sociopathic mental illness. But there is one irrefutable fact about Obama that even they can't deny: "He lies!" according to Congressman Joe Wilson. That's a matter of public record. And look at how vehemently the liberals attacked Wilson for saying what was obvious to everyone. That's what liberals do to people who don't agree with them.

        • smrstrauss

          Obama has lied, as have many presidents. But, he has not lied anywhere near as much as birther sites, as shown above, and his lying DOES NOT PROVE THAT HE WAS BORN OUTSIDE THE USA. Plenty of people born inside the USA lie.

          Speaking only about my own motives, not for gonzo731 of course, it is because I hate stupid conspiracy theories of all kinds.

          In fact, I argued with the "truthers" about their allegation that Bush was involved in 911 too, and before than I argued with liberals who thought that Bush was not really elected in the 2000 presidential election (the APs' recount of the votes in Florida shows that it was close, but that Bush really did win---and that blocking people from voting, while it happened and is terrible, cannot be counted as part of the result of that election), and before that I argued with the "alien bodies are stored in Rosewell, NM" nuts.)

          But my motives do not change the facts, which still are:

          (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);

          (2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;

          (3) the public Index Data file;

          (4) the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

          (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

          (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now---twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

          (7) no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961;

          (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

          (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);

          (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

          (11) Birther sites having lied about what Obama's grandmother said, and other things too, makes it highly likely that their "document experts" are lying too---and numerous real document experts say that the birth certificate is not forged, and that is confirmed by the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre (which shows how that product scans documents and compresses them using layers and pixillaton).

        • smrstrauss

          Re: " yes, he hasn't delivered any legal proof of eligibility."

          Obama has shown both the images and THE PHYSICAL COPIES, with the seal on them, to the press, of both is short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii, both stating the place of birth as Honolulu, HA.

          As to the selective service registration, and the