Harry Reid, Son's Solar Power Scheme Linked to Bundy Ranch Standoff

Follow the money and you'll inevitably find out what's really going on.

In the case of Clark County, Nevada, rancher Cliven Bundy's standoff with federal agents from the Bureau of Land Management, the leading explanation has been that he hasn't paid grazing fees and his cattle threaten endangered desert tortoises in the Gold Butte area.

But the fact of the BLM bringing in hundreds of armed rangers with trucks and helicopters seemed over the top for protection of a tortoise that has clearly survived despite more than a century of ranching by the Bundy family, and which the BLM had previously been slaughtering with the excuse that it lacked funding to care for the animals.

As reported by the Associated Press in August, the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center in Southern Las Vegas, funded by the BLM, was looking at killing half of its 1,400 tortoises because it could not afford to keep its doors open since the housing collapse resulted in less income from developers.

So why does the BLM profess to care so much about the fate of tortoises, who seem to be doing fine, in the Gold Butte area?

Certainly it's not all of the answer because the BLM dispute with Bundy goes back to 1993, but part of the answer may be that Gold Butte also lies inside what the BLM has called the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, part of the federal government's plan to put solar power plants and factories on BLM-controlled lands in six Southwestern states.

As part of the plan for the Dry Lake solar zone, any solar developers are expected to pay into a fund to "mitigate" the Gold Butte area. However, the "mitigation" activities can't take place with cattle grazing in the area. If the mitigation doesn't take place, no money for the BLM.

One of the companies interested in building a solar plant on BLM-controlled land is the Chinese firm ENN Energy Group, which wants to build a $5 billion solar facility in the Nevada desert near Laughlin. ENN is represented by lawyer Rory Reid, Sen. Harry Reid's son. The Chinese firm also wants to build on a 9,000-acre plot in Clark County, where rancher Cliven Bundy is holding off the BLM, and where Rory Reid used to be the chairman of the County Commission.

According to Reuters, the County Commission voted to sell ENN the public plot of land for $4.5 million, a fraction of its appraised value of $38.6 million.

Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid has been one of ENN's most prominent supporters. According to Reuters, he recruited the company for the project during a trip to China in 2011. Reuters also reports that Reid has tried to pressure the state's largest power company, NV Energy, to become ENN's first customer.

Sen. Reid has had other links to dubious  power projects, including Amonix, a company with no record of success that received huge tax breaks then collapsed. There was also Nevada Geothermal, which received $98 million in federal loan guarantees but in a recent filing with the SEC revealed that it is undergoing substantial problems that threaten its ability to continue as a company.

Both Reids have denied ever discussing the ENN project or working together in any way on it, but the paper trails suggest otherwise.

A Clark County commissioner recently said that supporters of Cliven Bundy "better have funeral plans," and the situation seems primed and ready for violence, with hundreds of federal rangers on one side, and ranchers and militia members on the other.

If blood ends up being shed over a desert tortoise, the trail of gore may lead straight to Harry Reid's desk in the Senate chambers.

 


  • Screeminmeeme

    You bet that there is a REID/CHINA CONNECTION. This is NOT about the endangered desert tortoise (which the BLM has killed by the 100s, according to their own news release). It's about the Feds forcing all the ranchers in the area out of business and using a number of questionable tactics to obtain their land. It's about CRONY CAPITALISM, pure and simple:

    ''A natural resource manager who grew up in Elko has been named DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT. The U.S. Senate voted 71-28 on Tuesday to confirm the appointment of Neil Kornze to the post.Kornze was raised in Elko and is a FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO SENATE MAJORITY LEADER HARRY REID. He joined the BLM in 2011 and has been leading the agency as principal deputy director for the past year.''
    (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/)

    For more detailed info about the Reid/China connection:

    http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/shocking-allegations-link-harry-reid-nevada-ranch-standoff/#FUWpr9J3YmeGbdaT.99 <<<<< at this site, you'll find a link to a petition that you can sign in support of the Bundy's, which will be sent to the BLM.

    • podunk1

      Can we imagine the progressive prophet (profit?) Hairy Reed (useless swamp weed) & son involved in selling the USA to Communist China for less than 12 cents on the appraised value dollar? If sold, wouldn't it belong to them? Imagine China with a colony & military base... missiles in Nevada!

      Was Harry Truman president when the Rosenberg couple was executed for infinitely less than this mess? Citizens have a right to equal protection of the law - and traitors being traitors... what's right for the people and country doesn't look good for Hairy the Reed

  • littledon

    It is time to Fire his a's and lock the crook up, people wake up you could be next. He is a SOB and that laws don't apply to them B'as'd! Tell the news if you still call them that do your Fu'en Jobs and tell the truth about the Crooked Govt. for you to are next!
    God Bless America!

    • Screeminmeeme

      I just got done emailing the major networks and CNN about this. They make the pretense of being journalists but they are so committed to protecting Obama that they refuse to do their job.

      Harry Reid's corruption runs deep and to expel him from office is going to be a big job. Like Obama and Holder, he seems to be untouchable. Maybe this standoff and the exposure of his part in it will lead to some action against him.

      • Kay

        First they lie about a video in Benghazi now they lie about turtles. They think we are REALLY stupid, don't they? Both stories are completely unbelievable. They just don't even try to make up believable stories.

        • Screeminmeeme

          True enough. But it's not a bad thing to be underestimated by your enemies. They are more likely to make mistakes and expose themselves to prosecution.

        • Kay

          Which would be fine and good if the fix weren't in for the crooks. Those that should throw these people in jail should be in jail themselves. They just cover for each other.

      • Screeminmeeme

        Just got this email from Tim Brown, at freedomoutpost.com

        A source from within the DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY revealed that the Bundy land WILL be taken at some later date to FULFILL ''INTERNATIONAL''OBLIGATIONS.

        Go to following site to learn what is behind the ''backing down'' of the Feds. It's all been a test and now there is strategic de-escalation to fool the public into believing that the Feds are standing down. They are not. The NO-FLY ZONE over the Bundy ranch and a 3-mile radius, is still in effect.

        http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/investigator-blms-standoff-bundy-ranch-surrender-strategic-de-escalation-hoodwink-people/#YbVBmBdzptDxbEbl.99

    • GrizzMann

      Voters seem to like the self serving Democrat .

      • Deborah G

        They like freebies

        • Ed Shick

          There is something about Freebies ,, and There is something I hate about a LIAR and THIEF!! Prison with out a chance of seeing day light again,,

      • Ed Shick

        If you have Two sons on the Nevada Board of Elections ,, What does a little Voter fraud Mean ,, I thought Obama was the Worlds biggest Fraud and Traitor ,, but it looks like it ,, It's the Reid Family,, A bunch of chinks ,

  • Screeminmeeme

    Just got an email about this: the Feds have backed down and are pulling out!

    http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/12/feds-abruptly-end-cattle-roundup-in-nevada/20868129/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D464097

    Bundy demanded his cattle be returned, so the militia and other protestors blocked the major highway out of the area, stopping the Feds, and will stand their ground until the cattle are returned.

    • Remington 870

      No doubt, the BLM Brown Shirts thought they could get away with this purge, but have found out there are patriots willing to die to protect Mr. Bundy. obama and his muslim loving, white lib/negro traitors have no idea what American Patriots will do to protect this country from their evil intentions.

      • Screeminmeeme

        Amen. I believe, also, that this huge show of force operation by the Feds was a TEST to see how we would respond. I think they see that we are not the pushovers they thought us to be. But we must not let down our guard. I dont believe this Bundy thing is over. Harry Reid and his evil cabal of land-grabbing industrialists will NOT give up this easily. They've no doubt got other strategies in mind.

  • fxr60

    Might have known that the Obama administration and Reid were behind this!! Crooked is NOT the word for these Commie Marxist!!!

  • noweareman

    Tea anyone?

    • Deborah G

      And lots of it. I always thought well of the Tea Party people now I think I'll join.....and a militia

  • tom nogaro

    a full-court press congressional investigation of the blm, its emails, actions, and all economic ties involved in turtle-gate must be initiated, with all heads (including harry the deadest's skull) rolling, including dismissals and pension loss and general defunding.

    if johnny or much mc conman or eric the wig are not boy enough to do it, fire them and ask questions later. replace the boneless with sarah palin, just for kicks anyway.

    if eric the buddy gets in the way, impeach him. if zero says word one, unleash lee, paul, gohmert, cruz on his impeachment for abetting 5A violations contra his oath.

    multi-front suits must be commenced:

    1) criminal (theft of property, trespass, assault by power drunk clark county commissioner tom collins moonlighting as a funeral director, battery);

    2) civil (intentional trespass and destruction of property and battery and contracting to cause harm by een and nv energy and amonix and nevada geothermal and other involved solar developers) with punitive damages against all;

    3) constitutional (5A taking and loss of the cattle and cost for public burial of any massacred and unlawful prohibition of the other ranchers from range use);

    4) class action (for economic losses, including lost work, and intentional infliction of emotional harm, including death threats by cock-tail commissioner tom collins and federal ranger show of force, orchestrated with this trial balloon putsch;

    5) disbarment and licensure proceedings against reid's son for possible violation of his ethical duty to not overzealously/illegally represent his client's interests.

    boycott any sleepy silent mainlining media in denial or in enabling spin mode.

    do not let this go by the wayside. sleepy is as sleepy gets eaten.

  • [email protected]

    You get what you vote for. The idiots in Nevada voted for Harry, let the reap what they sow. He is just another crook with deep pockets who got there by manipulating laws to obtain inside info for monetary gains. Think before you vote ad this my be avoided.

    • Caulfieldgirl

      I'd agree with you, but a lot of what Reid does affects all of us in all States......

      • [email protected]

        You are right. Most of the politicians may go in honest but soon they are corrupted and become just one of the pack. Term limits...Vote all incumbents out. Reed and Obama, two most dangerous to the American way of life.

    • Enrique4

      Not everyone vote for Reid. I doubt if many of the Bundy's did.

    • PLW

      It is amazing how America's Self-Serving Representatives go to Washington D.C. and when they retire in 10,20, 30 years, they are worth millions of dollars and get to enjoy a separate retirement that tax payers pay for!!!! It is NOT about the Legal American Citizens & Tax Payers, it's about American Politicians getting rich while they are in office!!! These parasites need to be voted out of office, along with the "O" who has got to go!!!!!

      • [email protected]

        So true. As I said before, term limits for all newly elected politicians and vote the rest of the bums out.

    • del

      Most of them did NOT vote for scumbag....rigged machines and union scabs did

  • beelp

    This story stretches my credibility. I'm starting to think that some of these "conservative" sites are not what they want to appear to be. The land in question has been widely described as "rugged", " barren" and other descriptive words, so HOW can it be worth anywhere near $38+ million dollars??? HOW ? I DO believe that Reid and his son could gain financially if this land grab does, somehow, go through.

    • Caulfieldgirl

      There are 3 mines (mineral), a gypsum mine,Spanish-Morman Historic trail, Native American Reservation and their archeological and spiritual site, oil and natural gas underground sites just to name a few......

    • JJM123

      If the only value is surface rights then the $500 per acre might be considered fair. But with mineral rights, including petro, the value could easily be 9 times greater.

    • Deborah G

      Because it it rich in natural resources like minerals. In fact Nevada desert has been known to have billions in the ground.

    • katekastorff

      LMAO..."how can 600,000 acres be valuable?" Gee, I dunno, they damn sure took it from the indians. It must have been valuable then. Listen, beelp, 600,000 acres of wind swept flat land is THE PERFECT place for wind turbines. Some of you people on here are so fuckn dense.

      • beelp

        ...or solar farms....but still, that doesn't make the property THAT valuable. IF there are mineral rights and oil, gas or other valuable commodities, then maybe. BUT, no one, so far, has exploited any of those items.

  • GrizzMann

    “Everything
    the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.”

    • PLW

      Welcome to Obama-World!!!!

  • Mark Tallman

    OOPS! I wonder how the Mormon Church feels about yet another under-handed, sleazy deal by Harry Reid and his sleezebag son? I guess as long as they get their 10% of the proceeds, it is OK.

    • Rightvsrights

      What does the Mormon church have to do with anything?? Obamas a Muslim and I don't see you spouting muzzy hate at the fact he ignores Christians pleas for help across the seas due to Muslims attacks tho professing to be the religion of peace. Or Hillary professing to be a Christian and let's just start with the evils she's done.
      People belong to themselves, whatever religion they profess to belong to.

    • Deborah G

      The Morman church has integrity. If you read they have refused Harry's money for quite a long time since it is thought to be ill gotten gains. He's fine with it .more for him. No offense but he could meet his maker anytime now and I would just spit on his grave

      • Mark Tallman

        Deborah....

        Might I please ask for your proof they have not accepted his money? The reason I ask is that a very close friend's wife, whose Father is one of the most senior leader of LDS states otherwise. Nancy's Father is the equivalent of the Catholic Church's Cardinals. Basically, he would be one step lower than the Pope if he were Catholic.

        • Deborah G

          i'LL GO LOOK IT UP FOR YOU BECAUSE i MYSELF WAS SURPRISED. I saw it whe Romney and the other Morman were going for the nomination. I believ it had to be Drudge or Breitbart. I'll google it and see..

        • Deborah G

          I'll go back and look it up. It was duyring the cmpaign with Romneyt . I believe ot was Drudge or Infowars. Let me look and get back to you.

  • DefendConstitution

    In this day and age when so many politicians are being caught with their hands in the till, why is anyone surprised by reid's actions? First, he is a democrap and they believe the law only applies to others. Second, he is a politician who knows he is above the law. After all, he wrote the laws so he makes sure there are back doors for him and his ilk to utilize. It really hurts me to say this but I have a bad habit of speaking the truth. I am afraid there are only maybe 40 politicians in congress who has ever read the Constitution, knows what it means, remembers the oath of office they took and has any integrity. 40 out of 535 is not a very good score and none are registered democrats.

  • Arcturus6

    This should not surprise anyone considering the fact that Harry Reid is, in my personal opinion, one of the most corrupt, despicable and contemptible members of the U.S. Senate. If ever a sound case was made for term limits, all one needs to do is look at the behavior of Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, Patrick Leahy, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, John McCain, and others to know that these individuals should have been retired years ago! I would have to say in some ways, Reid stands alone as probably one of the nist despicable members of the Senate, How the voters of Nevada can keep re-electing this political creature is beyond any rational explanation.

    • danstewart

      I don't think the actual legal voters elected him. He was elected by the dead & illegal voters. You know that dumbocrap libturds always cheat, as a matter of fact they have it down to a science.

      • del

        they have to cheat....otherwise they could never win! That includes their "messiah" 2 times, franken, old harry, etc

    • Meathead

      Pre-programed voting machines? His son is involved with the software company that wrote the voting program.

    • Screeminmeeme

      SOMEONE in Nevada is being paid off for Reid to be re-elected again and again. That....or they are all just nuts.

      • Ed Shick

        I do not think any one tries to run against this family as they seem to Control Nevada ,, Harry has been in Control in Our nations capitol and with His sons involved ,, No one has had a Chance ,,

  • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

    It's been about 15 years now since I've been warning my blogging friends about our freedom's most deadly "internal enemy" - the guv'met. Yes, I know how to spell "government" but I say it like the REV Jackson sez it so I won't be called a racist.

  • DonRS

    Harry Reid is a THUG, a THIEF, a SHYSTER, and becoming a rich man directly as a result of his Senate position.
    I know a number of Mormons. All are wonderful people - honest, cheerful, helpful, charitable, giving, wonderful citizens. That is, except one - Harry Reid. He is the rotten apple, the exception that proves the rule that Mormons are terrific people.

    • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

      May I assum Harry is a MINO?

      • DonRS

        mathchopper, you are too hip for me.
        MINO: "M" In Name Only. What might the "M" represent?

        • spatcher

          Try "Mormon" Don.

        • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

          Morman

      • Virginia Cavalier

        Mathchopper! Thank You! May I ad MINO to my list of DINO, RINO and PINO? Who or what might be next? Perhaps CINO for Citizen In Name Only...

        • http://blaze.com/ mathchopper

          Thanks for your support.

      • Deborah G

        YUP when he can use the religion for his own personal gain

  • amazingoly

    The Reids need to do a lot of explaining.

    • Deborah G

      NO they need to do a LOT of jail time orange suits instead of Brooks Brothers

    • Ed Shick

      They are past phony excuses ,, It's time to send them to Trial ,, If we had taken away our Guns they would have Taken over the Ranch and our Liberal news would not mention it ,, they would rather talk about a Murder in South Africa and hide the Coruption In America,,

  • cyber_hackster

    Hey, The morons in Nevada elected this jerk-off --- Live with it...

    • macushlah

      Have you ever heard of VOTER FRAUD. I would guess that all your representatives are cool and doing a good job

  • BigTnTDaddy

    I don't know which is more troubling, the complete waste of taxpayer monies on this new tortoise-gate, or that frikkin' commissioner willing to accept the murder of US citizens by telling them to 'better have funeral plans'.

    The fact that this is turning into a Dingy Harry underhanded deal with the ChiComs doesn't surprise me. The use of our federal resources (tax dollars) to enforce it (or cover it up, depending on your perspective) is outright traitorous.

    I do hope the peoples of Nevada wake up this next voting cycle and remember these events.

  • tauchera

    Money, greed and power. You can't take it with you!! Everything we have worked so hard for will go to the next generation who have no morals, do not like to work and expect everything to be handed to them..........so there you go! Personally, I would like to be guaranteed a steak once in awhile as would the rest of America's people instead of seeing China get MORE of our land!!

  • PLW

    One of Obama's Liberal Democrat Progressives (Harry Reid) caught doing something Illegal... Just another day in Obama-World!!! Legal American Citizens & Tax Payers need to vote these Self-Serving Politicians out of office ASAP... I am pretty sure, AG Holder will do nothing about it because he is just another Lap Dog for Obama that believes he & his ilk are above the Laws of the United States of America!!!!

    • Xman3

      Remember, Democrats and only Democrats gave you ObamaCare. Repeal ObamaCare and throw out every idiot Democrat who voted for ObamaCare.

      Vote for the most Constitutional, Conservative, Christian candidate with American Values and who has a chance of winning in all elections - Federal, State and Local - That pretty much rules out Democrats, and third-party candidates don't have a chance at winning elections. (they are Democratic funded spoilers, pretty much)

      Corruption, deception and lies and the 'idiots of America' keep electing and re-electing progressives, socialists, radicals, anti-American, anti- Constitutional, anti-freedom, anti-life, anti-Christian, radicals & Democrats. What do you expect??

      • PLW

        Xman, you are correct.......... If all Legal American Citizens can vote them out of office without interference of the on-going voter fraud, maybe part of America can be saved from these parasites......

  • Sarah417

    Thank God it ended peacefully. I'm glad it's over for now, but I'm sure the Bundy family is in for along haul with the federal government.

    There were fifty-two other ranchers prior to Cliven Bundy who were forced out by the federal government. Cliven Bundy was the last man standing. These other ranchers should be given their day in court. They need to have a investigation into why they were forced to leave and once the reason becomes clear, they should sue the federal government and get back their ranches.

    Thank you Oath Keepers and anyone else for having been there for the Bundy family. Let this be a lesson that we must all cover each other's backs.

    • Deborah G

      There IS a reason NOW more than ever for heavily armed militias

  • jimof ct

    There should be a serious investigation in the House of Representative into the allegations against the Reid Family involvement in this incident. The suggestions of corruption related to Harry Reid and his son Rory have been around for some time.
    Harry Reid did not get extremely rich on his Senate pay!
    His son has been benefiting by political connections for some time.
    Most recently payments to other relatives have been deemed violations of Harry Reid's obligations as Senator.
    Very troubling is the possible role that Rory Reid played in manipulating the voting in the last re-election of Senator Reid.
    Voter fraud examination is warranted simply by the appearance of corruption! Could it be any more apparent?

  • jimof ct

    P.S. Mormon Church leadership might want to investigaste the behavior of this political member. It certainly does not cast a favorable image upon them any more than the behavior of other political people who take positions that are contrary to their religious organization such as ex Speaker Pilosi.
    Democrats are hypocritical by allowing these obvious behaviors to continue in leadership positions as it is indicative of a lack of character.

  • Melinda

    The paper trail suggests otherwise..no facts on the really for sure paper trail. Instead a quote from a local land commissioner. No mention either than
    Buddy had refused to pay grazing fees for 20 years. Silly facts. Show us the paper trail. Maybe Sheriff Joe is not busy or Darryl Issa is just sitting around waiting for contempt charges. And most US senators do seek companies to invest in their state. Seems rather normal. Sure I can name, well 49 others. Our Gov Opps Perry is the master. Never met a company he wasn't interesting in giving huge tax rebates and cheap land.

    • Deborah G

      Doesn't anyone read? He offered to pay in full to the county and they refused payment.

    • elmcqueen3

      There's nothing wrong with companies willing to invest their bunisness in other states...What is wrong is when we allow foreigners to take over US lands and then turn around and dictate what our government should or should not be doing with which we as tax payers must foot the bill...Hence lobbyist for the Chinese communist comes to mind...And you're complaining about Gov. Perry...Giving instead support to Harry Reid and his traitorous fellow CommieCRats!...When will They ever Learn?"...Peter, Paul and Mary.

  • oleinwi

    And now we know, the rest of the story! So much for the evil Koch Brothers, looks like it's more like the evil Reid family in bed with the Chinese!! Just when you think the Demoncraps couldn't be more corrupt....they take it out a whole new door!!

  • elmcqueen3

    Screw Harry Reid...Screw his gangsta son...And screw the Communist Chinese who want to take over our country...Screw them first before they screw "we the people" for good!

    • johnsnare

      Money talks and bullshit walks.

      • elmcqueen3

        You are so correct...That's why "we the people" take it in the shorts every time!

  • raynbene

    Reid is the most miserable lousy democRAT weasel I have ever seen in my 68 years - he's likely the male version of a nanzi pelousy, and I can't help but wonder how he can live with himself atg all ! !

    • del

      laughing all the way to the bank with his dirty money!

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    Typical of politics and corruption since humans invented government. Those in power are corrupted and will inevitably us that power to increase their personal wealth and expand their power. Just another fine example here, with Dingy Harry & son right in the middle of it.
    As far a Bundy not paying his fees and such crap, it seems from the news sources reporting, the Bundy's have had access to that land, either by outright ownership or by 'use and maintenance' rights for well over 100 years. Some scumwad president, probably Clinton, famous for his 'stroke of the pen, law of the land' federal land grabs, millions upon millions of acres taken without compensation to the rightful owners, had deemed this property as 'federal land'. If I was Bundy, I'd be giving 'em the finger as well. It's fortunate, this time, that the fedz backed down, literally backing into their vehicles and left, without killing any citizens (or only one, by some reports) of this crowd of cowboys, citizens, and militia members from several states.

  • Deborah G

    SLAUGHTER DTRTYHARRY and ROBBINGRORY and leave the Turtles and cows alone. AT least they aren't corruptable

  • Melia Sese

    Good job giving us the details, Tad. I've always thought that Harry Reid was dirty six ways from Sunday and now he's tied up with Chinese gangsters and an energy scam.

  • jerry1944

    Now that sounds more like why the government want to take the land. That state must sure love the reids there to let them do as they want. I cant see the reids as men anyways just scumm in that state

    • DenisetheCelt

      The despicable Reids and the BLM vermin need to be run out of the State, and the country.

      • jerry1944

        IF i was there you could count on me not doing any kind of busness with any reid. It sounds like they ALL lie unless it just runs in that state hehehehe

  • HappyG

    Rory wouldn't even us his last name during his campaign...but he sure learned dirty politics well from Pops...

    CARSON CITY, Nev. — Nevada's secretary of state says his office is looking into whether former Democratic gubernatorial candidate Rory Reid formed numerous political action committees that were used to funnel $750,000 into his campaign and skirt contribution limits

    The Las Vegas Sun reported Friday that Reid's campaign formed 91 shell PACs that were used to funnel $750,000 into his campaign and skirt contribution limits. Reid, the son of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, told the newspaper that the maneuvers were disclosed and in compliance with the law.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110304/us-nevada-campaign-contributions/

  • Mimi Schmaltz

    As always, follow the money.............

    • grama18

      INTO !! who's pocket..ANd I don't care what color he/she is..Traitors..

  • UpLateAgain

    If you want us to believe Reid is behind this, you'd have to expect us to believe he's essentially a corrupt politician, willing to use his power and influence in government to enrich himself and his family at the cost of protecting his constituents and the state of Nevada. Now who would ever believe such a thing is possible with a US Senator... especially a Democratic one... because everyone knows the Democrats are there primarily to help the little guy.

    Next you'll be expecting us to believe Obama routinely lies! Or that MOST Congressmen from both parties leave office (when they eventually do leave) as millionaires, even though (according to one recently), they don't make enough money to survive in office and need a raise, Right.......

    And after that, you'll be trying to convince us there actually is something besides a witch hunt to Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and the IRS scandal, or that Obamacare isn't the single most effective advancement in health care the country has ever seen...... or that the federal government is trying to exercise unprecedented authority over its citizens, which it thinks of as merely the masses it should heavily control.

    You guys must really think we're stupid if you expect us to buy all that! Well... we're really not QUITE as stupid as the government thinks, because, in truth, we buy all of it.... and the time is coming when the lot of the corrupt politicians and government administrators (such as Lois Lerner and her ilk) are going down.

    • Harley157

      Amen Brother!!

  • CoolApple

    Apple pie & Chevrolet may have been the Logo of our American dream but hope & change has changed all that. Keep your powder dry.

    • charlie

      and your bullets packed in lard

  • TPM

    Clive County needs some new commissioners. The current lot of them seem to have conspired to sell county land to the Chinese, at a fraction of its value.
    Harry Reid's shyster son was representing the Chinese. I'm guessing the Chinese promised to make the crooked Reid Jr and some of these commissioners rich, for playing their part in this shameful plan to screw local land owners and taxpayers.

    The lying, thieving Reids are as dirty as they come. Politicians like these need to be removed from office. If I had my way, they'd be hung in a public square.

  • del

    With this horrid boondoggle from the ovomit administration, the folks complicit in this attack need to be jailed on trial for fraud, treason, murder, and perjury and hung....that includes the socialist/commie muslim squatting in the white house, old dirty harry and his son, and everyone of the dopeocrats who allowed ovomit to come to our government. Out with all of them and seize their stolen assets to pay back the Bundys and the other 25 families they illegally ran off their properties!

  • jas1019

    What is wrong with the people of Nevada who continue to put this corrupt creature back into office?
    I will continue to beat the drum of term limits because obviously the halls of government have gerrymandered themselves into permanent positions of living off the back of taxpayers, all the while stabbing them in the same back.
    Voting does not work, not with a biased media controlling the message of the candidates they deem they want or ideologically agree with.
    Term Limits. Every level of government, all branches of government and no multi-generations.

    • jmortensen

      Must be something in the water .. California has the same disease ..

  • Iam Awake

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/feds-charged-with-killing-cattle-in-nevada-range-war/

    ...and the Democrats are torturing the cows - newborns being separated from their Mothers left to die. Beating up Cliven's son - giving him a concussion, stomping himto the ground and leaving him in a hot car for 3 hours....this is our government folks. All because of Harry Reid.

    • jmortensen

      We don't have a "Government" anymore .. more like slave overseers (or wantabe's anyway)

  • Ed Shick

    Well it looks like Harry Reid's true colors Are showing ,,along with his son Rory ,, They can say red rather than Dead ,, To be born in America and sell out to the communist China ,, How low can You go ,, Benedict Arnold was an American Hero Compared to this Communist Family ,, And Why would a 75 year old Man resort to this ,, They Next Plane to China should have his whole Family on Board with one Way Tickets ,, This is treason ,, and it proves how important our Second Amendment is ,,

    • Screeminmeeme

      Harry Reid's true colors have been showing for years, but he has been able to get away with everything in Congress where one guy covers up for another.

  • madman

    It is time to arrest both Harry Reid & his crooked lawyer son Rory. I guess they would rather deal with the Chicoms than let an American keep his own property as he has done for over a 100 years.

  • Rightleaning

    Old Snake Eyes Reid has his hand in the card deck and on the dice. When will the people of Nevada wake up and vote this RAT out of office? I wouldn't feel quite as bad if Harry was lobbying for an American company to build the Soar Plant. The real estate fraud is bad enough, but to give it to the Chinese is a different kind of disgrace.
    The Arizona Republic ( a liberal paper ) did not have one word that I could find in it's Sunday paper stating that the Feds backed off and free speech was saved from our tyrannical government. Also not a peep out of Senator McCain and Senator Flake of Arizona did I hear.

  • RICHARD N. KEENE

    These money hungry snakes should be round up and herded to the nearest viper pit!

    Why is DIRTY HARRY still in office? Didn't he make enough money screwing the U.S. TAXPAYER?

    • johnsnare

      Harry and his son are civic minded individuals.

      • jmortensen

        did you mean to misspell "Simple" minded

  • dumbvet

    Reid is an idiot, send him to Afghanistan in his underwear

  • Mys77

    Screw the Chinese, and who thinks solar is a good thing? Reid is a coniving snake!,

    • Deborah G

      Solar is a useless product right now. Costs too much per KWH than hydro/Nat gas. Just another Taxpayer scam with reid lining his pockets

  • citizenrights

    The Fed is broke is why they are holding land in large quantities and the States are sovereign territory. The States actually can confiscate the land because the fed cannot hold any land in a sovereign state or territory. It dose not belong to them. It is being held under false pretenses. Like a endangered turtle.

    The sheriff is the most powerful police agency in any State and can detain and or arrest any federal agent personnel or officer and or solder that dose not compile to the laws of the State.

    Do not think the fed will take this lightly.. There will be another time and next time they will be even better prepared. Fort Sumter was a similar stand off in 1860 it lead to a hard struggle because of the fed. They do not like to be humiliated.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CGsQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalgeographic.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2F04%2F110412-fort-sumter-civil-war-nation-150th-anniversary-first-battle%2F&ei=DhFKU8yNLOOg2gWy1oH4Dw&usg=AFQjCNHPPq8RjtRMc2qp5o6TU6JZ-zeEXA&sig2=FWctMFYZIKyMiHt3oU2jJw&bvm=bv.64542518,d.b2I

    Will the next confrontation look like the Battle of bull Run?

  • Al Chemist

    So, Harry Reid is a soft spoken, unethical, slime ball, blood sucking, near senile, liberal/progressive/commie politician. What's new?

    • johnsnare

      Hello Al Chemist. I assume you do not care too much for Sen. Slime.

  • rmagnano

    It's just another part of the web that connect these "LIBERALS". All the mistery and fiction writers together couldn't come up with anything as involved and crooked.

  • acronymous

    Solar IS a good thing. But they can build that solar plant at that location without bouncing the rancher's cattle. There is no need for "mitigation". Just a need for Reid's palm to get greased.

    And that's NOT a good thing.

    • Deborah G

      The reality is the Chinese have no business usurping an American for money that is corrupt. Period

  • daanerud

    Time to make Harry Reid extinct in the US Senate.
    The process to revoke OBAMACARE also.
    The State of Nevada has the power to make this happen.
    The State of Nevada needs to start a recall of Harry Reid immediately.
    Time for the rest of the United States to come to the aide of Nevada and start the process to reclaiming the integrity of the United States.
    Time to start chipping away the wayward administration.

    • Remington 870

      I don't believe there are many real men of Patriots left in Nevada. Out of state Militia had to step in and save Mr. Bundy. The BLM had all intentions of killing Mr. Bundy to see just how lethargic America has become. Not the outcome the BLM Nazis expected. Sorry Nevada..once a proud pioneer state now taken over by Dick Skinners.

      • Ted Crawford

        Clearly neither the Governor nor the Sheriff came to the aid of Mr. Bundy, as one would expect of them. The People of Nevada should, immediately begin a re-call movement against both! !
        Should Nevada voters fail to do so, I would submit that, with respect to any future Border Fences, the States of California and Nevada be located on the Mexican side of said fence!

        • Remington 870

          Ted...you are so right. Certainly looks like Nevada has few Patriots and lots of girly men. Give the state to the Dick Skinners who can be found in most Chicago Bath Houses.

  • C K Johnson

    The little SLIME ball bucket of SCUM bag of $hit Maggot. Did not get his way. The speck of fly $hit wanted for his son to make millions. From the Tax paid trip the bag of $hit took to China.

  • PhylBoyse

    How do we know for a factt that rancher Bundy has NOT paid his fees for grazing his cattle. The government "accidently" on purpose destroys or misplaces documents all the time, so it is the"governments"word against then rancher and the government does not have a good or legal record.

  • ZACAL

    Harry Reid supports China rather than Americans in his own state. This loser needs whacked more than anybody in congress. He is a pure con artist only looking out for himself and those who support him only. He's also the lead wall between Obama and the American people. You always know where he's coming from. He is very transparent. He is so brave, he lies straight into the lens of TV cameras. Now that is pure STUPID transparency. Of course most dishonest people always end up on the stupid side of life. How certain americans can support this dishonesty is hard to stomach, but we have it and of all places - in our Congress affecting millions of hard working Americans. And there are millions that either refuse to accept it or worse yet don't even know what this crook is doing to them.

  • 1947rhoda64

    BLM wants Mr Bundy's land for their solar energy plants, so they are going to do anything to get it, so it's one of their excuses for getting the land. I have never heard of grazing fees. Must be some stupid idea they mad up to take this man for everything they can get out of him. i don't trust any of the government or their affiliiates. We all better be ware because it can easily happen to us. I think there will be Civil War if they try to our land and our guns and this is taking place already. Another thing they are taking our children from right under our noses. Just like what happen to the girl who was taken away from her parents because they were making her worse and causing the mental problem she was having and said they have permanently take this girl away from her parents. These crooked judges are no better, so I advise all of you to please vote and get judges and government who will help the Americcan people and I can name a few who will and they are Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and all the Tea Party Conservative and they will not do like this government and the evil corrupt communist in the WH.

  • http://cia.americanspecialops.com/air-branch/ NASA

    The American Dream ended (on November 6th, 2012) in Ohio. The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

    A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America.

    The Cocker Spaniel is off the front porch... The Pit Bull is in the back yard. The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and Chicago shyster, David Axelrod, along with international Socialist
    George Soros will be pulling the strings on their beige puppet to bring us Act
    2 of the New World Order.

    Our side ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, and Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing "post Sandy" tribute that elevated the "Commander-in-Chief" to Mother Teresa status. (Aside: with the way the polls were run, he didn't need any help!)

    People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will never again comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being
    fired.

    You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take Zealots, not moderates & shy
    not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our beloved
    country to its former status.

    Those who come after us will have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to "white guilt" and political correctness

    • Karll

      Well stated and absolutely true, unfortunately. This is the ultimate result of decades of communist infiltration of our govt, media and academia.

      • Ted Crawford

        100 years of it! From March 4, 1913 thru Today!

    • Virgil Hilts

      We. the People...certainly have our lives, fortunes and sacred honor. Our Enemies...have NONE of those sterling qualities.

      We also are WARNED !

      "The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received
      them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men."

      -Samuel Adams

    • mrh

      Sad, but true. Very well stated.

    • Carol Chang

      I may be "white" but I have never felt guilty.

  • geo2man

    The illegal seizure (theft) of grazing land under the pretense of an endangered turtle population sounds a lot like the video vs terrorism excuse used by the Obama administration for COVERING UP the REAL CAUSE of the attacks in Benghazi. FICTION FIRST -TRUTH LAST. As far as unpaid fees go if your land is stolen from you , what idiot in their right mind would continue to pay fees to the thieves???

  • Burton Pauly

    What else would one expect from the senator, and his offspring? Corruption is what he and his ilk practice all the time. Most folks aren't fooled when it comes to politicians when they go into office as rich folks, and when they leave that office they're worth millions more in assets, and cash. Greed is the goal of this type of politician.

    • kkc003

      Anyone in office who's assets grow more than the national average should be audited for public view!

      They work for the people, they are employees of the nation- they shpuld all w verify and be audited if the math doesn't add up!

      Being in office does NOT give you the right to string arm and power grab with your position- thats abuse of power and you should be dismissed- never to hold public office again!!!!

  • survivor33

    Of course this is the doing of Hairy Reid and son. The apple don't fall far from the tree. Reid is so corrupt and evil that he really needs to be investigated and put behind prison bars along with his son and the administration that is protecting him and sending all those gun toting Ovimit Boyz to steal Bundy's cattle. It has nothing to do with the turtles, it has to do with Reid wanting that land for his own person bank account.

  • citizenrights

    The Congress of the United States of America has be come a cesspool of deception and corruption and complete denial in many areas of the law concerning the Supreme law of the land the United States Constitution; Article Six.

    It is time for the Governor's of the States and legislative and judicial branches to hold the likes of Harry Reid and his son and all concerned in there potential corruption schemes and missus of police officials and hold all accountable. If not, then by the people and the people must do so Article Ten; United States Constitution.

    The United States of America is broke beyond any ones imagination and or comprehension with a unimaginable debt and unmanageable debt. That now is feeding on increasing debt that is out of control The federal government as a whole thinks the people are stupid and ignorant and that the fed can and will bankrupt the country force a change in the monetary standard of currency world wide crippling the people of the United States of America for years. While many walk away with unknown amounts of wealth and then to set up a one world globalist enterprising government for a elite class. With millions of peon slaves.

    The Supreme law of the Land the United States Constitution was set up to avoid such a catastrophe. Many steps can be initiated and taken to stop the monetary and economic bleeding, but the people and the states must act and act very soon or disaster will be upon the majority of the land and it will not be fit to live in. This is why the government bureaucracies are preparing in hording ammunition and food.

    There is going to be a forced correction in the markets across the world soon and a change and devaluation of the currency's of many nations and including the United States of America. A run on the dollar is already being witnessed slowly but surly and being discarded for the worthless paper it now is and riddled with unimaginable and unmanageable debt. Many who can invest in a safe haven may and may not survive financially, but the majority are broke and in debt and many are just struggling to survive as they can on what they are earning or being given.

    When this correction occurs these people may revolt or so the past has indicated so. Although it did not happen in the 1930's in the untied States of America under the last major forced correction and currency change. Because of world war.

    Trade agreements are collapsing all around the world because of the failing dollar setting up positions for trade wars to begin and so being indicated in several areas most recently and moves to obtain and control countries and large amounts of land by annexation or confiscation, world war may well also be on the horizon soon after the correction.

    The band aid placed on the wound of the economy of 2008 is worn out and is going to be removed. It has been in my thoughts for many years that such a move would be ultimately taken.

    it is not to late it can be circumvented and or lessened. But the people must act.

    LET YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES KNOW AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS KNOW NO MORE COMPROMISING THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION BY THE SEVERAL STATES.ARTICLE FIVE,ARTICLE SEVEN AND THE TENTH AMENDMENT. THE DECELERATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

    HR 2847

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.federalreserve.gov%2Fnewsevents.htm&ei=58BKU-rcDceb3AXL9IHQBA&usg=AFQjCNFqrQrOEOL1qr_yuXrL5dj6WwqweA&sig2=jFrCMeFtIhAyq9H8s4kJeg&bvm=bv.64542518,d.b2I

    THE NATION WILL NOT BE TOLD THE TRUTH AND THE ALARM SHALL NOT BE SOUNDED! IN IGNORANCE ALL WILL BE LEFT TO FAILURE!

    IF THEY FAIL TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AND ACT!

  • charlie

    so now is time to prove this and hang this sorry basturd reid high and dry

  • Dandyangie

    Everyone in this country know Harry Reid is a snake.....

    • jmortensen

      are the voters in Nevada so busy gambling that they can't take time to vote this weasel out of office ?

    • Ted Crawford

      YET the citizens of Nevada just RE-ELECTED him!
      When we finally build that Border Fence, we need to consider locating both California and Nevada, on the Mexican side of it!

      • http://bullpasturechronicles.blogspot.com/ BullPasture

        Don't believe it. With electronic voting elections cannot be audited and the results verified. The "winner" is whoever they tell you it is and there isn't anything that can be done about it through the legal process.

      • Carol Chang

        Ted, where ever you are, put your own damn state on the mexican side and leave California alone. Like the ranch land is not Reids to sell, California is not yours to give away.

        • Ted Crawford

          Dianne Feinstein, Barbra Boxer,Nancy Pelosi, Barbra Lee Jim Costa Judy Chu, Henry Waxman, Maxine Waters, Susan Davis, and the ever popular Governor Moonbeam!
          With Legislators such as these, it seems you have decided you dislike America's form of Government, and expect to "transform" America into some sick Socialism!
          Welfare rolls LARGER than the next TEN States COMBINED, Largest concentration of Illegal Aliens in the Country, Sanctuary Cities everywhere!
          That I will not allow without serious resistance! "All Enemies, Domestic and Foreign!"

  • daanerud

    Solar energy.
    Turtle smoke screen.
    Plans for a Chinese facility would be given the green light.
    This administration excels at picking losers.
    Why ask China for building a solar power when the technology is already here and working?
    Will the Obama controlled media run a report on this conflict of interest?
    Solyndra, Failure before it started, funded with US tax dollars.
    There are several solar power plants in the Mojave Desert which supply power to the electricity grid. Insolation(solar radiation) in the Mojave Desert is among the best available in the United States, 
    List of another 10, solar power plants in the US:
    Solar One
    Solar Two
    Solar Energy Generating Systems
    Nevada Solar One
    Copper Mountain Solar Facility
    Nellis Solar Power Plant
    Fort Irwin Solar Project
    Ivanpah Solar Power Facility
    Mojave Solar Project
    Antelope Valley Solar Ranch

  • kkc003

    Forensic audit if reids money and family ties should be in order!
    Anyone who was connected to the scheme should be investigated!
    Sending BLM thugs to steal land for pennies on dollar!!!

    Maybe reid and gun runner CA democrat and Holder too can all be in the same cell!

    Appears manipulating polititans dont care about tortouseas indicated " but what does it matter!?"

    Socialisms/communism is connected- now you can see the players!

    A web of deceipt!!! Reid should step down for his newly discovered crime and lying to america about the totouse! Deer also graze but that was left out of the news- media just wants to attack hard working america and americans!

  • citizenrights

    The people of the State of Nevada need to move to have a investigation and remove Harry Reid from office.

    • Daylo

      The trip to China to "investigate" the solar company was all paid for by the American Taxpayer -- that ever present fount of money to the greedy Reid and all of his bloody partners. He took along nine senators. Michael Bennet of Colorado, Barbara Boxer of California, Dick Durbin
      of Illinois, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, Jeff Merkley of Oregon
      and Chuck Schumer of New York — and Republicans Mike Enzi of Wyoming,
      Johnny Isakson of Georgia and Richard Shelby of Alabama.

      How many of these men went along for the sake of the country and solar energy and how many of them went along for the sake of their own pocketbooks? I'll let you figure that one out. To be accurate, it appears that one my Senators, Johnny Isakson has voted along with Democrats for much of the Barack Obama reign. How about the rest? I know that Lois Lerner was a HUGE HELP to Dick Durbin in his Senate bid and the lies have fallen not far from the tree on all of these people.

      ******************************

      To be clear, it would appear that there is no longer a "republican party" any longer, if you had not already noticed. They are great friends and buddies with the lying left and the robbing us blind group.

      Investigation? YOU BET!

  • suezz

    Can the neveda please vote this reid clown out he is not right. if he doesn't get voted out next election then the vote counting probably needs to be audited next election.

    our vote counting procedures need to be audited. why can the voter audit their own vote to ensure it got counted correctly.

    ron paul never lost a vote count that was counted in public.

  • Unite2014

    Time to petition ENN to make sure they don't want to be on the wrong side of the law. Let them see how Reid is taking them for a ride too.

  • jmortensen

    looks like reid could be done for .. father and son .. dad taught the kid well .. (how to be a crook 101)

  • deseartu1

    If it's such a great place for solar why isn't American companies utilizing this land first? I smell such a lying rat tied in with Obama! Maybe a Muslim video caused the cattle to disappear by the BLM? Money greed and empty promises! Why do we want China there would be my question? Sounds like a secret military cover-up! And I's just a blonde to figure this one out....we American's need to be banning together! This is our country and the people WE VOTED in to run things have taken their control freak mindset a little to far! We need to put THEM in their places or VOTE THEM ALL OUT!

    • Ted Crawford

      From the Chinese perspective, this is simply one more way to buy up American land! As the Japanese did during the Carter Administration!

  • ONTIME

    This behind the scenes corruption was why Reid was being investigated by the FBI and Holder was told to put a stop to the inquiry by the WH Faker..TIME TO CLEAN HOUSES....Time for term limits no retirement for all elected and appointed government officials, time for a ballot driven nat'l sales tax and time to ban all government unions....

    Time to regain your representation and return to the rule of law...

    • Nathan51

      Just running these criminals out of office is not near enough. Every one of them from king buttcrack down need to be sentenced to 100 years each of hard labor. Force them to spend the rest of their worthless lives making little rocks out of big rocks in the hot sun.

      • Daniel F. Melton

        That means you'd have to feed and guard 'em, and some enlightened politician or judge might let 'em loose like the war criminals a few years after the Nuremberg trials.
        Just toss 'em to the pigs and the problem is solved. No escapes, no appeals, and no recidivism.

        • Nathan51

          Yeah, pigs will usually eat anything but politicians may make them sick.

        • Daniel F. Melton

          They've got strong stomachs.

  • ste1021

    What do you need to know about Reid? He has become a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE while being in the Senate,.

  • mwl

    THIS IS NOT OVER!!!! The feds will come in at night via IR and with heavy weapons kill all concerned call it a shoot first scenerio. And ave a big BBQ with Bundys cattle.
    They had a backhoe and dump truck on the land WHY? The officers involved beat up and coerced ll Amerians out there. THIS IS TROUBLE. More coming. WILL be back. The Bundys need a surveilance system linked in so it can b ecorded. The people that were out there standing guard need to stay. Three helos and 20 troops with machine guns, reid would love it. After all this is what happened in Benghazi. Americans left to defend themselves. YOU cant trust anything his govt says or does.
    The United States govt is at war with the American people.

    • GrizzMann

      Obama does like drones to attack his enemies.

    • Carol Chang

      Well, the backhoe was to bury all the cattle after they had killed them.

      • mwl

        I hope your right.! It was either that or a way to build bunkers or destroy evidence. My mind always goes to destry evidence afterall we are dealing with the United States govt. The most corrupt govt in the world. That will use the exact tactics the soclist/communist govts employ. Wehn the revolters are all dead the rest are afraid to speak out. So the govt thinks. obama single handedly sold 73 million guns from 2008 to 2013. Of course he also armed the islamic brotherhood and callng the Ft Hood shooting from the Major...work place violence. We will have a war in this country and Im affaid the govt wil be siding with the aggressors and not American Patriots.

  • 4USA2

    Why hasn't Reid been arrested? He gave his granddaughter money from tax payer's pockets. He's a thief! He broke he law. He stole tax payer's money for personal use. And now he's knee-deep in this government land grab mess. Where's a cop when you need one?

    • GrizzMann

      The United States AG and the Nevada AG find nothing wrong with that type of action.

  • Robert Myles

    Ay development on American Soil MUST be by American Companies not the damn RED CHINESE!! Yes there is a very dirty paper trail to Dirty Harry on this and he is counting on the stupidity of liberal's to get reelected again so he can screw America yet more while he gets filthy rich on selling off America to our Greatest Military Threat

  • rchguns

    At this point in history the Senate can best be described as a cesspool. Just like a cesspool the biggest turds float to the top and that fits Reid to a tee.

    You have to accept the fact that all politicians are liars and thieves, is part of politics. What I want to know is why the larger percentage of Democrats are always right in the middle of the worst criminal acts. These congressmen and representatives were not elected officials they would be in jail for their activities.

  • Fred Doe

    I think the trial, conviction and beheading of corrupt politicians would be a great idea. It may get the majority of them to rethink their priorities and futures.

    • Rebel Rob

      I think that a lot of them should hang for "TREASON"!

    • nick quinlan

      IF that were the case, corruption would cease to exist

      • Ted Crawford

        If that were the case, all the Federal Government, and most of the State Government, buildings would be Housing Projects for the indigent or roosting places for the birds!

  • cae973

    Term limits people! 2 terms in the senate...3 in congress...then out! That way no one is there long enough to be bought and to sell out the people they are supposed to represent..the citizens of this country!

    • Reflect

      Right On!!!!

    • Carol Chang

      That is too long.

  • cae973

    by the way american solar companies are struggling to survive so why would our country want to bring in foreign competition for them..chinese products are cheaply made as we all know and they would put more of our citizens out of work

    • Reflect

      As is obvious, bringing in foreign companies makes it that much easier to force these companies to pay bribries, since they are accustomed to such practices,. The dream of every elected official in congress is to get rich by the time their power starts to wane. Good ole' Harry is the leader in such shenanigans followed by Puckosie and the rest.

    • Rebel Rob

      and let's not forget how they always follow the law,...much like their buddies.

    • nick quinlan

      Whywould our country give the contract for the fence along mexico to Israel and allow the Saudis to win the bid for our ports??????

    • Ted Crawford

      Neither America, nor, for that matter ANY other Nation can compete with China in the Solar Energy Industry!
      For Solar technologies to function, it requires the use of "Rare Earth Minerals" !These minerals cannot be synthetically produced, nor can they be substituted for!
      China controls over 85% of the Earths known sources of these Minerals! Solar, on a compeditive basis, is a non starter!

  • Emmett Marin

    Nevadans-look into removal of a US senator from office!

    • Daniel F. Melton

      By any means necessary...

      • Ted Crawford

        Re-call isn't possible. However IF the people of Nevada are FINALLY ready to actually do some hard work, they might identify Reids major contributors, and their specific business interests. Make it PLAIN that as long as Reid remains a US Senator, their products will remain, untouched on the shelves and their names unnoticed in the phonebook, their goods and services, unused and unwanted!
        OR Nevada can continue to be like Virginia!

        • Daniel F. Melton

          There are other methods, ranging from indictment and conviction to his sudden and complete absence...

  • bungicord

    If it wasn't for the gaming industry and the unions Hapless Harry wouldn't be in the position he's in. He'd probably be in jail like any other criminal. Don't you democrats realize he's against you as well as Republicans. The constitution was to protect both of us from tyranny. It's really simple to turn from the coming despotism, vote constitutional conservative no matter the party, Or pay the price of freedom.

    • Rebel Rob

      Let's not forget the whorehouses either. I believe that the locals refer to him as "Whorehouse Harry"!

  • CDD

    That County Commissioner needs to make funeral arrangements for his CAREER!!

  • John Henry

    You know this is a lot like the story about Ahab and Jezebel in 1st Kings 21.

    Naboth is like the rancher in this case...
    1 Kings 21:1-14

    21:1 And it came to pass after these things, that Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the palace of Ahab king of Samaria.

    2 And Ahab spake unto Naboth, saying, Give me thy vineyard, that I may have it for a garden of herbs, because it is near unto my house: and I will give thee for it a better vineyard than it; or, if it seem good to thee, I will give thee the worth of it in money.

    3 And Naboth said to Ahab, The LORD forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee.

    4 And Ahab came into his house heavy and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him: for he had said, I will not give thee the inheritance of my fathers. And he laid him down upon his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no bread.

    5 But Jezebel his wife came to him, and said unto him, Why is thy spirit so sad, that thou eatest no bread?

    6 And he said unto her, Because I spake unto Naboth the Jezreelite, and said unto him, Give me thy vineyard for money; or else, if it please thee, I will give thee another vineyard for it: and he answered, I will not give thee my vineyard.

    7 And Jezebel his wife said unto him, Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel? arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: I will give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.

    8 So she wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth.

    9 And she wrote in the letters, saying, Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people:

    10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.

    11 And the men of his city, even the elders and the nobles who were the inhabitants in his city, did as Jezebel had sent unto them, and as it was written in the letters which she had sent unto them.

    12 They proclaimed a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people.

    13 And there came in two men, children of Belial, and sat before him: and the men of Belial witnessed against him, even against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, Naboth did blaspheme God and the king. Then they carried him forth out of the city, and stoned him with stones, that he died.

    14 Then they sent to Jezebel , saying, Naboth is stoned, and is dead
    KJV

    Harry Reid's son wanted some land that was not his, of course it was not Harry's ether, as it belongs to the people, Harry told his son ... Son I will get you that land to build your solar farm and make us some real money for the future ...

    So ... Harry got ahold of the BLM and the county commissioner and had them get that rancher off of that property so that his son could take possession of it, kind of like filling a mining claim on government land.

    I don't know if you know what God did about Jezebel ... I think something similar will happen to Harry Reid.

    2 Kings 9:36-37

    36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel :

    37 And the carcase of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel .
    KJV
    Yep she fell out of a tower, with the help of her servants, and the dogs ate her and pooped her out...

    Let's hope that Harry's end in office is just as sweet.

    • Soldier of Christ

      That'a what I Love about the Holy Bible-It's got Everything Covered...There is Nothing New Under the Sun(Son).

      • patriotgrammy

        Amen!! The human condition has not changed since the beginning of time.....

  • http://www.raleigholumbingx.com chrisplumber

    now who in their right mind thought it was for something other then money but this time there will be blood shed from both sides the American people have been pushed to the limit and are willing to fight for whats thiers and die also Obama, Reed and Pelosi have gone to far and the American people are tired of losing their hard earned money and God given rights to corrupt politicains who in return give it to illegales they want us law abiding citizens to wear braclets if we own a gun but they won't go after these nggr thugs in Detroit and surrounding area's

  • Reflect

    Corruption is strongest in hidden corridors!!! The DEMONcrats are like cockroaches running to hide, when the spotlight hits them. Let more light shine on the hidden corridors of politics. If the light keeps shinning then maybe this coming election will have only alive, voters, and not the ones fr;om the cemetery.

  • CajunPatriot

    Love (lust) of money is the root of all evil. That Biblical truth is being proven around the world over and over since time immemorial. This is another case in point. I have emailed Attorney Bob Massi, asking him if he could/would influence Congress to take a look at the influence of the Reids and oil and gas reserves on the Gold Butte area on the BLM and its thug-like and gross overplay of a hand in this matter. I have also asked Senator Ted Cruz to see what he could find out.

    • Rebel Rob

      Yeah and here is Harry "Greed" worried about the Russians in the Ukraine. Ha! He's just as corrupt as they are! Harry and the rest of the corrupt SOB's in Congress need to go! He is the model for "Term Limits"! It's jackasses like him who have enriched themselves through the abuse of their office and power. Hit the road, Harry!

  • ActualConundrum

    Reid's mission is to make his son mega rich. He will step on miklions of people to do so. He should be kicked out of Congress for nepotism corruption. ASAP

  • Soldier of Christ

    What's the "Commi$$ion" on 5 BILLION $.. ???

  • Daniel F. Melton

    "There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." Mark Twain

  • georgev

    I only have one message for Harry and his criminal friends.
    Harry enjoy the money that you have sold out America with.
    Enjoy it well, because America is coming.
    Remember that spirit that beat the biggest army the world knew at that time?
    Well it was asleep for a while because you and your globalist lulled them to sleep.
    But America is coming.
    The Bundy incident is only the beginning.
    The American patriots are gaining strength and the spirit that was at the Bundy ranch yesterday has now joined us American patriots not only in thought , word and deed but we are now joined spiritually with providence behind us and you and your criminals friends and your rotten deals will not win.
    America is coming.

    • Carol Chang

      Yes, but I am afraid for us. It is America against the world. Well, with he exception of Israel.

      • georgev

        I say bring it.
        No one has the courage and the gum shin that America use to have and we need to regenerate that and take back our place in history as one nation under God.

  • patriotgrammy

    Yeah....BLM only backed off in fear of the REAL reason of this unbelievable land grab being exposed. Bundy said all along he'd pay the taxes if they went to the state/county.....this is just ONE of the MANY frauds being perpetrated on the American people. Those who back Obama, Reid, Pelosi will be the ones crying the loudest when they finally wake up to find they've been duped into being slaves of the American government. God bless those people and militias who stood along side Bundy The American "psued-government-in-power" is in for a rude awakening that not all of us are people that a community organizer can galvanize. We're in this for a higher calling than entitlements, feeling sorry for ourselves...

  • rwp24382

    Maybe it's time for the GOP to demand the resignation of Reid. Because of his conflict of interest and money grubbing, he almost caused a slaughter of humans trying to protect their rights. This worthless POS has recently exposed himself for the fraud he is and he needs to go.

  • slrassoc

    We are armed to the teeth and what we did down there proves we have had it and are ready to use those arms against the crooks. Now the crooks know it.

    • silaxo1

      You better come up with some better tactics when the real fight begins. Why would you want to take on a force that has you outgunned, which they will next time, and out financed? Gorilla warfare is the only way you could possibly win. Need leaders, organization, diversions and communications. The opposition has all of that. So, find out where their leaders are and take out their leaders. They are not going to be on the front lines. No, they will be in their air conditioned offices watching the activities on a T.V. and leading from there through their communications system. So, find out where their repeaters are and take them out. From what I understand, they had drones on you, photographed many making note of the weaponry each person had and followed many away to destinations. Drones fly at 40 thousand feet, so you aren't going to see them or shoot them out of the air, unless you take them out at take off. That one will be tough since they take off from the Military base east of Las Vegas. Make them move their forces to react to your actions at the places they didn't expect you, then when they move toward you, move to a secondary location, then disappear for a while. Good luck.

  • Barto

    Harry Reid is at the top of the list of Liberal Liars and crooks and should be kicked out of the Senate.

  • Mer Luchador

    I'm suspecting Harry Reid PERSONALLY received a payoff directly from the Chinese.
    THAT is why he pulled the plug as soon as his connection came out.

  • fed-up

    Hairy Reed needs to go... Like they did in the old days rode out town on a rail tarred and feathered.

  • icemancold

    Well:Reid is a Demoncrat that is a Obama man and they were hoping this would be what they needed to declare Martial bring in UN TROOPS TO QUELL THE VIOLENCE CONFISCATE FIRE ARMS IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC SAFETY.Then OBAMA COULD SAFELY DECLARE HIS DICTATORSHIP.
    obAMA
    obama

  • James1vc

    Dingy Hairy Reid and his son need a free ride out of town on a rail after a "tar bath" and a good feathering .

    • tofjr

      I want to see the women that let "dingy reid" have sex with her..............

      • DWinch

        You have a stronger stomach than I do and I was a sailor.

        • tofjr

          I was a sailor also....aircrew on SP5B Martin Marlin seaplanes Da Nang, Cam Ranh Bay, Con Son 1965-1967.

  • http://christiancitizenshipforum.blogspot.com/ OneCitizenOfTheRepublic

    Property Rights...a core value of America...

    “Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society. When an immoral society has blatantly and proudly
    violated all the commandments, it insists upon one last virtue, tolerance for its immorality. It will not tolerate condemnation of its perversions. It creates a whole new world in which only the intolerant critic of intolerable evil is evil.” ~ Hutton Gibson

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203827465950297&set=pcb.10203827500111151&type=1&theater

  • SpudPicker

    Poor Dingy Harry!

    The truth will out!

  • Heartland Patriot

    Always about the money with these political elites. Anything else they say is just cover for their dirty schemes. Yeah, they have political ideologies, but they use that as a tool, and never let it get in the way of lining their pockets.

  • Johnny

    Our Goverment let our companies move to China where their citizens are forced to work in the sweat shops for pennies on the dollar. What do you think is going to happen if you let them in on our country to create power to sell to the U.S..
    Wonder why they are not building in China? China wants a strangle hold on the U.S. and we have Senators that are willing to sell our souls to them

  • Susan

    Agenda 21 and the ChiComs----Reid is selling our country off and enslaving our children to the Communists.

  • Alleged Comment

    So, if they had voted Hairy Weed out on the last election this would not have happened. If I recall the unions put Hairy Weed back in.

    They also did not vote the negro sodomite out and put in a business and moral man in by the name of Mitt Romney.

    So we got Demoncraps, Unions, the left who all take their mantra from the communist party under a sodomite illegal negro who thinks he is king of America.

    That is why you vote people out.

    • paintinc56

      The unions set up polling stations in the CASINOS & brought the LLEGALS that worked there down to vote in them. That is 100% true, I watched it with my own eyes.

    • fxr60

      Yes!!! This fall VOTE all the DemocRATS out of office!! We have voted one out here in my state for stealing Campaign money!! So we can do it!!!!! And 2016 VOTE again-Vote early!! Don't take a chance of something coming up and can't get to the polls!!!

  • Deerinwater

    ". However, the "mitigation" activities can't take place with cattle grazing in the area.".

    And why so? Free ranging stock fits in nicely with the narrative of Green Energy,

    exactly how does these cows interfere? This area would take what? 10 acres to support one cow? ~

    don't make good sense.

    • Ranchman

      320 acres for each cow for one year. There's hardly any grass or other nutritious plants for the cows to eat in the southwest desert. That's why the ranchers in that region have to be able to graze their cattle on so much land. I know, I had 165 acres in Oklahoma (a very small ranch) and could only, feasibly, run 8 to 10 head. The land was sandy and didn't support native grasses well. One cow per 20 acres and that was pushing it.

  • citizenrights

    The Congress of the United States of America has be come a cesspool of deception and corruption and complete denial in many areas of the law concerning the Supreme law of the land the United States Constitution; Article Six.

    It is time for the Governor's of the States and legislative and judicial branches to hold the likes of Harry Reed and his son and all concerned in there potential corruption schemes and missus of police officials and hold all accountable. If not, then by the people and the people must do so Article Ten; United States Constitution.

    The United States of America is broke beyond any ones imagination and or comprehension with a unimaginable debt and unmanageable debt. That now is feeding on increasing debt that is out of control The federal government as a whole thinks the people are stupid and ignorant and that the fed can and will bankrupt the country force a change in the monetary standard of currency world wide crippling the people of the United States of America for years. While many walk away with unknown amounts of wealth and then to set up a one world globelist enterprising government for a elite class only. With millions of peon slaves.

    The Supreme law of the Land the United States Constitution was set up to avoid such a catastrophe. Many steps can be initiated and taken to stop the monetary and economic bleeding, but the people and the states must act and act very soon or disaster will be upon the majority of the land and it will not be fit to live in. This is why the government bureaucracies are preparing in hording ammunition and food.

    There is going to be a forced correction in the markets across the world soon and a change and devaluation of the currency's of many nations and including the United States of America. A run on the dollar is already being witnessed slowly but surly and being discarded for the worthless paper it now is and riddled with unimaginable and unmanageable debt. Many who can invest in a safe haven may and may not survive financially, but the majority are broke and in debt and many are just struggling to survive as they can on what they are earning or being given.

    When this correction occurs these people may revolt or so the past has indicated so. Although it did not happen in the 1930's in the untied States of America under the last major forced correction and currency change. Because of world war.

    Trade agreements are collapsing all around the world because of the failing dollar setting up positions for trade wars to begin and so being indicated in several areas most recently and moves to obtain and control countries and large amounts of land by annexation or confiscation, world war may well also be on the horizon soon after the correction.

    The band aid placed on the wound of the economy of 2008 is worn out and is going to be removed. It has been in my thoughts for many years that such a move would be ultimately taken.

    it is not to late it can be circumvented and or lessened. But the people must act.

    LET YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES KNOW AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS KNOW NO MORE COMPROMISING THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION BY THE SEVERAL STATES.ARTICLE FIVE,ARTICLE SEVEN AND THE TENTH AMENDMENT. THE DECELERATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

    HR 2847

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.federalreserve.gov%2Fnewsevents.htm&ei=58BKU-rcDceb3AXL9IHQBA&usg=AFQjCNFqrQrOEOL1qr_yuXrL5dj6WwqweA&sig2=jFrCMeFtIhAyq9H8s4kJeg&bvm=bv.64542518,d.b2I

    THE NATION WILL NOT BE TOLD THE TRUTH AND THE ALARM SHALL NOT BE SOUNDED! IN IGNORANCE ALL WILL BE LEFT TO FAILURE!

    IF THEY FAIL TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AND ACT!

  • apophis

    Be real. If Obama thought Reid was doing dirty work here he would do something. Obama has always made sure to be open and honest and between he, Pelosi, Biden and Boehner they would never let government property be prostituted for Reids or his son's interests. You must all be mistaken.

    • fxr60

      That is so funny!!!! Obama didn't get "LIAR of the Year" for nothing!! Reid is as evil and sneaky as Obama!! I know you are jesting!!!

    • Mike TheVet

      Lol careful, Apophis. Someone people can't pick up sarcasm on the interwebs.

      • Carol Chang

        Yeah, there should be special fonts for things like that.

  • real talk 1

    This is the same old Harry and yet he keeps getting reelected ?

    • KungFuSV

      Yeah ... the unions in Las Vegas are beholden to him for keeping the humongous (US$10 Billion) City Center project funding alive when it was on the verge of collapse ... City Center is absolutely impressive but Reid has been behaving badly for a very long time!

  • llellc

    So this is what the face of pure evil looks like? Yuk!

  • john cummins

    Reid's solar fiasco would also blind pilots flying overhead!! Dingey Harry!

  • cbanalyst

    Reid, typical of the Liberal thieves, must go!

  • fxr60

    Reid caught with his hand in the cookie jar!!! He had it planned with China and thought the time was right, back fired on him!! When you stand up against corruption and evil intentions by this administration we see we CAN win out!!

  • pointdan

    Do the words CORRUPT WASHINGTON DC mean anything to anyone ???
    Thanks again Neveda for sending the corrupt Harry Reid back to Congress for 6 years . . . .
    BOYCOTT LAS VEGAS until the dweib is gone.

  • Mike TheVet

    *Update* The FAA just ordered a No-Fly Zone over the Bundy Ranch.

    Not good...

  • Arizona Don

    Government, especially this administration, lies constantly and just as any individual who would lie to someone will also steal from them that goes for the government as well. The lies are to appease the uninformed voter and are meant to keep them on their side. It seems sadly there are many of the uninformed. But their ignorance is being bought with giveaway programs. This government is certainly both lying and stealing on a scale never before seen at least in this country. A liberal progressive future does not instill confidence this nation will survive with any degree of liberty remaining.

    The corruption alone is causing a crisis that could in itself destroy our nation and certainly all of everyone’s freedom, wealth and ability to pursue individual happiness if in fact the constitution actually means anything to anyone even remotely associated with the government anymore. We are being overwhelmed and the ability to recover becomes less and less everyday this continues. The inevitable outcome, if something does not happen within government to curtail the current corruption progress in November, is a violent resistance and it "will" happen. Americans are not going to take this very much longer and that is people on both sides of the isle. This administration is and always has been an American problem not a conservative or liberal problem. And we are getting to the point where race may no longer help them. Even the race card is getting over used and useless.

    The stand off at the Bundy ranch is only a preview of things to come and soon! The fact however, that the government backed down this time is not a preview of what it may do in the future. Do not fall into such a trap! Only total resolve will overcome this tyrannical government we now see in Washington DC. Make no mistake this type of thing will happen again!

    Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco.

  • Pale Ryder

    Patriots: It is time to go on the offensive against the illusions and superstitions of today's liberals and progressives: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878

  • Josie

    We need a law passed that no lands are sold to foreign interests/ companies or people unless there is a vote and approval on it.

  • pennysca

    Reid is a crook and looks like his son right behind him. He even has paid Grandkids and other family members with campain funds. How do you think Reid got his millions from back room deals. His career ending right after Obama out and he is trying to make as many deals as he can. LOOK INTO REID AND FIND OUT WHAT THIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT. NOT TURTLES

    • hiway280z

      your right and they have already ran 52 ranchers off their land for this crooked dealing. Bundy Ranch is the last one and hasn't caved in but is fighting for his home, land and rights.

  • Pooua

    As the article states, the solar deal can't be the full explanation for this situation, because Bundy has been fighting with the BLM for twenty years, long before anyone thought of converting the land to solar (or, for that matter, killing the tortoises).

    BLM is in the right. They have the historical, federal and Constitutional authority to regulate this land. When Mexico ceded this land to the US, the Feds took control of it. Sixteen years later, settlers in the Nevada territory telegraphed their new state constitution to Congress in Washington, D.C., and Congress authorized the creation of the State of Nevada. Along with that authorization, the BLM had control of the public lands. So, you might not like how things have turned out, but this is the way our government was set up to operate.

    • KungFuSV

      BLM is NOT in the right if the land belongs to Nevada State and Clark County! Where in the Constitution does it say that the Feds "own" the land that the Bundy Ranch sits on? Are you insinuating that the Feds, by default, own ALL of the public lands in the USA?

      • Pooua

        The dispute isn't over Bundy Ranch; the dispute is over Bundy Ranch grazing cattle on public lands without paying grazing fees. Bundy wants the dispute to be over the right of the federal government to control land within state boundaries. However, the federal government is what created the public lands within each state in the first place, and a condition of statehood was that the state would use the public lands as the federal government dictated.

        The term, "public lands" is a general term that can mean different things, depending on its context, but, generally, the Western states got their public lands from the federal government under certain conditions.

        http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/About_BLM/History.html

        • KungFuSV

          Yes ... I understand about Bundy's grazing fee disputes ... what Bundy has said is that the "public" lands in question actually *belong* to the State of Nevada (Clark County) and *not* to the Federal government ... he has been paying fees to the State of Nevada (Clark County) but disputes the authority of BLM over state/county lands that (he says) do *not* fall under Federal jurisdiction ... I agree that there may be arrangements between states/counties to have BLM help manage lands owned by same states/counties, but are you saying that, therefore, just by helping with management, BLM has the right to impose Federal fees that may not have been authorized by the owning states/counties? Or are you saying that, be default, all land is owned by the Federal government, which wouldn't make total sense because how, then, does private ownership happen, with generational homesteading of lands by ranchers/farmers? Are you suggesting that there is no such concept as private ownership of lands here in the USA anymore?

        • Pooua

          I think it is clear that the State of Nevada does not own the land in question. Indeed, a complaint of the Libertarian crowd is that the federal government owns the majority of Nevada's land. The Gold Butte area is federal land, not state land, and has been so ever since Mexico ceded the territory to the US in 1848. No individual has ever owned that piece of land, and the state has never owned that piece of land. BLM has the job of managing these federal lands. It's an open-shut case. Bundy has stated that as far as he is concerned the federal government does not exist. He refuses to acknowledge it, even though it is the legitimate owner.

        • KungFuSV

          The legal issues, I've read, run deeper than what is commonly assumed ... see this article --

          http://octeapartyblog.com/2014/04/13/who-owns-the-land-bundy-standoff-in-nevada/

          How do you reconcile points made in this article vs. your interpretation?

        • Pooua

          The author of that article is cherry-picking his facts to support his predetermined conclusion. In the process, he is setting up anyone who listens to him to a lot of frustration, because no court is going to agree with his misleading claims. In short, he's a liar and a kook. Seem to be a lot of those these days.

          Thanks to the quirks of the message board system, you may not have seen my earlier reply to Flybob. He defied me to point out where in the Constitution the federal government had the authority to use and administer US land as the Feds see fit. I posted the following excerpt:

          "Federal land ownership began when the original 13 states ceded their "western" lands (between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River) to the central government between 1781 and 1802. Substantial land acquisition in North America via treaties and purchases began with the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 and culminated with the purchase of Alaska in 1867. In total, the federal government acquired 1.8 billion acres in North America.

          "The U.S. Constitution addresses the relationship of the federal government to lands. Article IV, § 3, Clause 2 --the Property Clause-- gives Congress authority over federal property generally, and the Supreme Court has described Congress’s power to legislate under this Clause as "without limitation." The equal footing doctrine (based on language within Article IV, § 3, Clause 1), and found in state enabling acts, provides new states with equality to the original states in terms of constitutional rights, but has not been used successfully to force the divestment of federal lands. The policy question of whether to acquire more, or to dispose of any or all, federal lands is left to Congress to decide."

          "Federal Land Ownership: Constitutional Authority and the History of Acquisition, Disposal, and Retention"

          http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL34267_12032007.pdf

          Article IV, § 3 of the US Constitution states,

          "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

          "The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and
          make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

          Article IV, § 3 of the US Constitution builds on the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which were some of the earliest legal documents giving the federal government the authority to use and administer new lands acquired by the US. Later laws created various departments, finally resulting in the creation of the Bureau of Land Management in 1946, but federal authority over the lands has been part of our nation's laws since its founding years.

          Marc Harris is trying to make a case for squatters rights in claiming that, somehow, Bundy's ancestors living in the general area at one time gives him the right now to pretend the federal government does not have authority over federal public lands. He mentions the "Washoe Code” vaguely, without ever specifying how that helps his argument in this particular case. He doesn't even cite the relevant passages, if any exist, in the Code. He sure doesn't mention that "When Federal troops were sent to Utah in 1857, the Mormons left Washoe." Squatters rights are questionable at best, but their authority is completely undercut when the squatters move away!

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nevada

          So, contrary to Marc Harris' mocking of the idea that federal land is owned by the federal government, the reality is, it does. The Bundy's are never going to win this in court, because he is clearly in the legal wrong.

        • KungFuSV

          So, by your interpretation, all "original" private owners of land in the USA had to "acquire" their properties (whether bought or granted) from the Federal government (ie, now BLM)?

          Let's suppose that some land gets ceded from BLM to some State (whether bought or granted) ... the BLM, after that transaction is completed, would not then have any rights over those land (administrative or otherwise), right? BLM wouldn't then be able to levy any fees against the new "owners"? Otherwise the concept of "ownership" doesn't exist and everyone ends up merely "leasing" the land from the Federal government (as in some countries that don't allow private ownership) ...

        • Pooua

          The federal government has never owned all the land currently in the US, only most of it. That's particularly true of the original 13 states. So, the answer to your first paragraph is no.

          The answer to your second paragraph is yes. However, I'm fairly certain where you are going with this, because the article you asked me to consider has this error in it. So, let me point out again that the federal government has held possession of Gold Butte ever since the territory was ceded from Mexico; Bundy's family never owned any of it as far as I can tell. I have no idea where Marc Harris got the idea that Bundy's family laid any claim to the public lands that Bundy is using for his cattle. IOW, your second paragraph is irrelevant to this discussion.

          I should also point out that land trusts are similar to what you describe, in that the federal government transfers ownership of these lands to the states on the condition that the states use the lands for the public's benefit, such as the establishment of a university system. Several Western states, including Nevada, New Mexico and Texas that I know for certain off the top of my head, have such a land trust system that is the foundation of their university system. As a condition of statehood, or acceptance into the United States, each state must use this land trust for this purpose, as specified by the federal government.

        • KungFuSV

          Right ... I think that one critical underlying assumption in all of this is whether the generational homesteading with "grandfathered exemption" claim that Bundy makes is valid ... the courts have not have ruled in his favor on this issue in the past so maybe his claim hasn't been (or can't be) proven in a manner that convinced the courts over time ... this all said -- the heavy-handed tactics that BLM used *this* time around (as opposed to the past 20+ years) raises everyone's suspicions as to *what* motivation(s) BLM had *this* time around ... Kornze just becoming head of BLM and his affiliations with Reid really raise eye brows on this!

    • Flybob

      Are you out of your freaking mind??? WE THE PEOPLE OWN EVERYTHING!!! You are placing the blm in a persona of it's own in competition WITH THE PEOPLE! WE own the government and WE own the land that isn't being used and WE have the right to USE IT without permission from god almighty, the government no matter HOW many corrupt judges decisions try to change that! That's OUR land you moron, or do you think the "government" should be able to sell or rent land that doesn't belong to them that OUR people could use to FEED THE PEOPLE?! IF you had read the constitution as you THINK you have you might try reading ALL of it! For instance article I section 8 clause 17 where I says the government is ONLY supposed to own 10 miles square and the land for "needful building and forts". The king of England owned ALL the land and the our founders did NOT want the people to be guilty of trespassing on THEIR OWN LAND and THAT sir is the argument. The government is NOT supposed to "own" any more land than it NEEDS to conduct GOVERNMENT business and for our own government to keep us off unused property is a HUGE injustice and NOT constitutional. Then try reading he 9th AND 10th amendments. THE LAND BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE!!! Go back to bed, you're effed up.

      • Pooua

        The Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 says you are wrong. For reference, our Constitution was adopted in 1787 and became effective in 1789. So, before we even had our current Constitution, the states had already agreed to make the federal government manager of public lands. The United States has all along made the federal government holder and administrator of public lands.

        • Flybob

          You really are on drugs. So what you're saying is that the founders made sure the federal government had awesome power over the people and the land. EVERYTHING about the US Constitution was FOR THE PEOPLE! The federal government has 17 enumerated powers ONLY! Do you see where it says even ONCE they are to use and dispose of the land as THEY see fit? NONE of the "ordinances" you mention is listed in Article VI of the US Constitution, which just happens to mention the Constitution IS the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND! NOTHING BEORE THE US CONSTTUTION is valid...PERIOD! Why don't you just mention the king had laws that should still be obeyed? People like you read what they WANT to read and THAT is WHY we have lost all of our freedoms and CONTROL OVER THE LAND! Ron White is right, you just can't fix stupid.

        • Pooua

          All pre-existing treaties and laws were grandfathered in when the Constitution went into effect, except as the Constitution overrode them, and the US had many pre-existing treaties and laws that remained in force after the Constitution went into effect. It would have really stunk for other nations and foreign creditors if all our obligations to them were negated with the establishment of the Constitution.

          Here's a list of US treaties:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties

          Regarding federal land ownership:

          "Federal land ownership began when the original 13 states ceded their "western" lands (between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River) to the central government between 1781 and 1802. Substantial land acquisition in North America via treaties and purchases began with the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 and culminated with the purchase of Alaska in 1867. In total, the federal government acquired 1.8 billion acres in North America.

          "The U.S. Constitution addresses the relationship of the federal government to lands. Article IV, § 3, Clause 2 --the Property Clause-- gives Congress authority over federal property generally, and the Supreme Court has described Congress’s power to legislate under this Clause as "without limitation." The equal footing doctrine (based on language within Article IV, § 3, Clause 1), and found in state enabling acts, provides new states with equality to the original states in terms of constitutional rights, but has not been used successfully to force the divestment of federal lands. The policy question of whether to acquire more, or to dispose of any or all, federal lands is left to Congress to decide."

          "Federal Land Ownership: Constitutional Authority and the History of Acquisition, Disposal, and Retention"

          http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL34267_12032007.pdf

        • Flybob

          First off it is abundantly apparent that you are a lawyer which is most of the problem. You trust what you have learned in college from lying professors that cannot read plain English. There is NO ambiguity in the US Constitution and any YOU put in there is a bald faced lie. Article 1 section 8 clause 15 CLEARLY says that the federal government has the authority to "own" ten miles square and enough land in each state for needful buildings, forts and such and NOTHING MORE IS MENTIONED ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT buying up land that the PEOPLE may need or can use. I don't give a flying flip about what you say mexico sold or gave up to the United States. IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE! What if the government makes a move to purchase ALL land in the US? Can they do that? NO HELL NO! Because they are limited by the above mentioned clause in what they can own. The OTHER clause you mention, 2: The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State is USELESS in this case. CONGRESS has the power, NOT the blm and please point out to me ANYWHERE in the Constitution that congress has the power to delegate ANY authority to ANY entity (such as the ILLEGAL coining and setting the value of money as the federal reserve currently does, which is NOT EVEN A FEDERAL ENTITY BUT AN ILLEGAL PRIVATE BANK that is controlling our economy). CONGRESS HAS THE POWER! And as for the scotus, you are once again of the OPINION of scotus having ALL powerful authority, which it does not, and them ALWAYS ruling correctly, which they do not as evidenced in many cases but ESPECIALLY in the Heller case where they WRONGLY said the people have the right to keep and bear arms IN THEIR HOMES! WHERE in the second amendment is there ANY limitation mentioned??? ANY?? Do you see the words "except for" anywhere? Do you see felons or an age group mentioned? What about the preamble, which you seem to have overlooked. "SECURE THE BLESSING OF LIBERTY TO OURSLEVES AND OUR POSTERITY". Does pointing guns and taking cattle comply with that statement? I don't think so idiot. Lawyers and judges have RULED MANY times wrongly and this is one of them. Go back to law school and get fed full of more crap. It becomes you.

        • Pooua

          I'm not a lawyer. I'm also not crazed, radical kook obsessed with Libertarian ideas of state rights to the exclusion of the federal government.

          It's an interesting point in history that when Thomas Jefferson was offered the Louisiana Territory, he was wracked with indecision, because the Constitution did not explicitly give the federal government the authority to buy land, but by not purchasing the Louisiana Territory, the United States would likely lose control of the Mississippi River and New Orleans. The loss of those strategic resources would leave the US vulnerable to foreign powers. Ultimately, federal President Jefferson acted against his principles by authorizing the Louisiana Purchase, as the federal Congress had resolved.

          The federal government has obtained, managed and delegated all new land acquisitions for the United States ever since the early days of the nation. You are complaining about it now because you are anti-federalists, not because you have a legitimate legal basis.

        • Flybob

          First off I believe in FREEDOM and am willing to risk my life for it and I WISH you had the nads to call me a kook within my reach for proof. Win lose or draw You would know I am sincere. Beside that I can read and the US Constitution is CLEARLY meant to make sure NO person has to fear losing their liberty in this country, ESPECIALLY from the federal government but not LIMITED to the federal government. Do you propose that the founders meant for the government to have the same power over the people that the king did? Are you mad? The preamble doesn't effect you in any way? There is CLEARLY something wrong with you. Let's put it this way, the US Constitution IS my right to carry and my right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Did you not hear the government made a "free speech area" and if people were exercising their right to free speech they arrested? Do you call that a government right too? Let me be as diplomatic as I can be....GO F YOURSELF! You're a commie idiot. end of conversation

        • Ted Crawford

          The only possible problem might arise out of the simple fact that BEFORE "we had our current Constitution", there were NO STATES, simply because there was NO United States of America!
          In addition to that fact, Nevada didn't become a STATE untill 1864, therefore there could not have been any State Government agreement signed with the Federal Government, prior to that date!

        • Pooua

          We had states ever since British kings granted charters for states and commonwealths, more than a century before we had our current Constitution. We also had a United States of America prior to the current Constitution, as specified in the 1777 Articles of Confederation. Prior to the creation of any state outside the original thirteen colonies, the applicant population had to present a state constitution and meet the requirements for statehood from the federal Congress before they were admitted to the Union. The federal government owned the territory that became Nevada and set the state boundaries, as well as established the public lands and land trusts.

    • Ted Crawford

      Thank you Comrade! You will make a very good Useful Idiot for the Progressive cause!

    • KungFuSV

      I think that the solar deal was probably the underlying impetus for BLM to once again confront the Bundy family, but this time in the most aggressive manner to date ... thus far Bundy has been able to fend off the Feds for 20+ years so why else would BLM pick *this* point in time to get this aggressive? The Reids (father and son) are very political in their ways (Neil Kornze was earlier this month confirmed to be the new BLM director and worked in Reid's senatorial office on public land issues)!

  • truepatriotintx

    If it's some kind of dirty business deal in NV, you can bet it leads right to Dingy Harry's desk!

  • Regenz

    Sounds like the makings of a Hollywood movie, back when they actually were courageous enough to criticize the system.

  • Higherstandard13

    Reid believes he can get away with it for he has gotten away with lying and corruption for years now and sees how Pelosi's husband has been rewarded with billions of exclusive real-estate contract without an investigation. Pelosi's husband going to collect 6% on billions of property sold in a no bid award. Thousands of realtors would have taken that deal at 4% or 3% or maybe less. Those savings could help fund many things instead of the Pelosi life style.

  • Forest Black

    As this article points out, Hussein Obama is confused about the differences between scientists and fortune-tellers: http://sppiblog.org/news/scientists-blast-obamas-global-warming-myth-youre-basing-politics-on-faulty-computer-models-rather-than-science

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  • dogjudge

    You're a liar.

  • Michael

    What's new with these lying libs... you fools keep them office instead of jail. Wake up fools.