Guns Save People, Again

A 19-year-old thug tried to rob a 23-year-old man in the stairwell of his apartment building in Philadelphia. He walked up to the man, pistol-whipped him, and shot him in the leg.

He met some difficulties, though. The mother of the victim heard the commotion from her apartment upstairs, grabbed her legally owned gun, got out and shot the robber. He died immediately, with a wound in his chest.

Robbers we will have, always. Armed they will be, always. Whether laws limit gun ownership or not, criminals are criminals exactly because they don’t care for the laws.

This one is interesting, though. It happens in an apartment building. Nothing wrong with apartment buildings. People who want to spend less on housing, or can’t afford to spent much – especially under the blessings of Obamanomics – find apartment buildings a blessing. Nothing wrong to not be wealthy – in fact, throughout history most people lived on $3 dollars a day, in 2012 prices. Life is still life, and we can enjoy it.

And defend it. Being poor doesn’t mean your life is less valuable than if you are rich. You have the same right to defend it as the rich person.

Having said that, this brings me back to the Democrat obsession with gun control. Some readers will probably remember Emanuel Cleaver: the Congressman who claimed that a Tea-Partier spat on him while walking up to the Capitol building to vote for Obamacare. The video released later showed that Cleaver lied through his teeth, and that there was no spitting at all. If anything, it was Cleaver who poked his finger in the guy’s face, a rude and unacceptable act even between friends, let alone between strangers.

But few know that Cleaver is also very anti-gun. And in his own state, Missouri, he is known as the politician that said that poor people who live in apartment buildings should be banned from having guns. They are poor because of a flaw in their character, and therefore they shouldn’t be trusted with guns. The obvious problem, that a person needs protection the most when they live in apartment buildings – not when they live in gated communities – did not even cross his mind. After all, he’s a politician, and why would he care.

It will be unfair to Cleaver if we focus on him only. The truth is, this elitist view about personal protection is shared by all Democrats and by many Republicans. Guns save people – especially poor people – but saving people’s lives is not part of the political agenda. What’s more important is disarming the population so that only the government has all the guns – as it was in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Of course, politicians are exempt from it. Secret Service can keep their guns. Politicians’ lives are valuable; more valuable than the lives of the poor people.

It is hard to imagine the tragedy that would have happened if the “pistol-packing mother” in the news above didn’t have a gun. Her son would have been robbed, and may be even killed. The robber would have gotten away, and then would have robbed another person. And another. And another. Criminals never stop. They only get stopped. The tragedy that would have happened, is happening everywhere in Europe. Every time there is a robbery, or a massacre like the recent ones in Norway and in Belgium, people’s lives would have been saved if there was one decent person with a gun. But there wasn’t. There were many decent people with no guns, and a criminal with a gun. And the police was minutes away.

Guns save lives. Especially poor people’s lives.


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About Bojidar Marinov
A Reformed missionary to his native Bulgaria for over 10 years, Bojidar preaches and teaches doctrines of the Reformation and a comprehensive Biblical worldview. Having founded Bulgarian Reformation Ministries in 2001, he and his team have translated over 30,000 pages of Christian literature about the application of the Law of God in every area of man’s life and society, and published those translations online for free. He has been active in the formation of the Libertarian movement in Bulgaria, a co-founder of the Bulgarian Society for Individual Liberty and its first chairman.
  • heylottylotty

    The people who advocate and promote gun control just don't get it. Mommas don't let their small children play with kitchen knives, or the stove top, or the family vehicle. Why is it that kids know better than to cut each other, burn each
    other, or take off in a car? Hmm. EDUCATION. When adults are taught from childhood that green beans are bad, too
    many never try them for themselves and then pass the problem along to their kids. Why not beginning to educate our
    children and family about gun safety. Find firearm safety courses and attend. Remember that before there were guns, people used knives, arrows, and even rocks to kill others. Gun Control is not accomplished by removing all the guns from legal citizens, it is properly done by education and respect (just as it has been for fire and knives). It should not be Hollywood's place to flash anit-gun propaganda or slip it in a movie's script. This is a form of brain washing and appears much more than most people suspect in TV and "big screen" movies and some ads. Just as my fork didn't cause me to be fat, firearms don't cause crime.

    • Randy G

      My Father taught my sister & me in the 1950's that guns were not toys, So we did not play with real ones & Dad always had a loaded gun at home & I learned gun safety at a YMCA camp. Most people watch movies & TV & learn guns are toys, the same way they learn driving at the 'Bumper Cars' at the state fair!

      • Tony Koleski

        The framers of our constitution had the wisdom to know the people have a need to own guns for the protection from criminals and to have the power to revolt against an Obama style government. The socialist democrats in congress know this and are and have been trying to eliminate the second amendment to insure their power. The only question now is will Americans let them do it or take the action needed to stop the treason? Freedom is never free---IT MUSTBE DEFENDED.
        TONY KOLESKI
        11415 E Stanton A ve
        Mesa AZ 85212
        602 717 2308

    • Chris P

      You don't need these things. Guns DO enable gun deaths. And do make mass killings easier - that's why you love them.

      • tom s

        chris p, you are an idiot... if it wasnt for guns you would be speaking russian or chinese or some other language & you wouldnt have the right nor opportunity to write stupid things like you do. If no one else had guns, then we wouldnt need them, but our enemies do, & that includes the bad guys home-grown.

      • Steven

        My first attempt got trapped by the key word filter, so I will try again.

        Guns may enable 'gun deaths', but lack of them does NOT prevent, or even reduce deaths of any sort. If guns did not exist, criminals would carry knives. If knives did not exist, they would carry baseball bats or sticks. If NO weapons were available, they would bulk up and beat the (bleep) out of there victims.

        If you are a 120 lb woman and are faced with a 30 lb thug willing to kill you, a weapon is most definitely needed, unless you WANT to die.

        • Steven

          I didn't even spell (bleep) the first time.

        • Brad

          I hope you meant 300 lb thug.

      • PJS

        Another brainwashed moron posting total nonsense. People do the killing, NOT the gun; based on your "logic" we should ban automobiles too. Now go crawl back into your kennel.

      • sidewinderaz

        Chris P, you are grossly uninformed and probably brainwashed by the progressive left indoctrination centers that masquerade as public schools. If you lived in the Northeast I might understand because of their anti-gun politicizing like mayor Bloombug in NYC. But if you live in the South or the West many of us grew up around guns.
        I grew up around guns and my father and the Boy Scouts taught me gun safety and respect to have for a deadly weapon like that. But cars, baseball bats and many other impliments can be deadly weapons when used for the wrong purpose or by the wrong headed individual.
        Get your head screwed on straight and do your homework before you make blatantly ignorant claims like the ones you make.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Hey Chris: what do you suppose George Washington thought about guns? You complete dope; without the ability to defend one's self, we become servants rather than citizens. If you love gun control, let me pay for your one way ticket to the UK where you can be totally unarmed...and susceptible. What a dunce.

        • Rebecca

          love the name, Don't

      • Southern Jew

        Do you drive a car? Cars cause car deaths! Do you fly in Airplanes? Airplane crashes cause Airplane deaths! Do you really feel intelligent now?

        • calditz

          Yes! As a fellow Jew I'd recommend you take a look (and hopefully join) "Jews for the Protection of Firearms Ownership". The late founder Aaron Zelman was a true patriot and made me even prouder to walk among his people (our people).

      • Libertarian

        Cars kill people, car ownership enables one to kill others. Let's outlaw cars!

      • Robert

        Think of how many of your "mass killings" could have been stopped with one well placed shot . Gun safety should be taught in schools starting in first grade .
        Guns are only a tool and that being said look at what other tools can do if misused . The car is a big example .
        So Chris get your head out of that dark damp tunnel and use it . You would not be able to be on line if not for men with guns. We would still have a King or be living in caves ( like you) .

      • JImsjn

        Chris.

        I lived in Russia for 9 years beginning from the collapse of the USSR. To have a gun was almost impossible. Popele could have shotguns, but the registry was tough and I only knew of one person who had one. But during that time, I never heard of anyone being killed with a gun. Yet the murder rate in the town of 60,000 was 1.5 a week. When I returned to the USA one summer, I called the chief of police in our town of 50k. He said the last murder had been nine years earlier.
        The problem in Russia is that disputes are solved with violence. We had four mafia groups in our town. I haad never known anyone who had been murdered , nor a relative of a murdered person before I went to Russia. In our small congregation of bout 20 people, one weekend a yound man's father and friend were decapitated in their apartment. _- knives not guns. Another ady's husband was beat to death,and within a couple years her son was also murdered in a dispute about his apartment. No guns, friend.
        The neighbor of another friend killed his live-in's five year old son, constantly branding him with a hot iron.
        Frequently a husband and wife would sit at te kitchen table drinking to oblivion. And upon waking the next morning, one would discovered he / she killed their mate and simply turn themselves in to police in deep remorse. Not one such case involved a gun.

        So shall we outlaw irons? knives? Fists? alcohol? The problem in all of these cases is the culture, yea personal morality. Solve the problem of the person's morals, then we won't need to make fists illegal. Or perhaps we should begin with alcohol? Any takers? Didn't think so.

        The propaganda that guns kill is utter nonsense. Gun control is more about people control by tyrants. It is the propensity of men who have authority over others to use it to the fullest extent allowed by law. If they make the law, then their tyranny has no end.
        The difference between guns and knives is that a few body guards can keep the tyrant safe from just about anything except bullets at 100 yards, thus the tyrants plea to outlaw guns.

      • Robert

        You mean to tell me that you never heard of Bombs homemade or otherwise, very easy to construct and plant just ask holder he is guilty of complicity and conspiracy he could and would teach you so that you could be his stooge! Look Chris to you get it If someone try's to harm or kill you you should have the right to selfdefense but if you are such a pacifist that you want to die without a fight then fine for you! As for me I have the right to defend my life and yours if I see fit whether you like it or not but in your case perhaps just stand by and see if you are really that braveor would you cry and deficate and pee all over yourself!?

      • KitKat

        JimP - you are not only an idiot but just remember that when someone decides you are an easy mark. My folks always had guns in the home and we were taught gun safety and why the 2nd amendment was there. I know how to shoot a gun and I will have went through the courses for a concealed/carry permit. I hope you wise up - you should read all the history on Hitler's rise to power in Germany and what happened when they took everyone's guns away.

    • RHSchumann

      What does gun control have to do with owning guns? Who says that the government wants to take weapons away from law avbiding citizens? Anybody with a clean record can get permission to own as many guns as he/she wants. But mandatory registration will make people come in conflict with the law who do not have the right to own guns because they are felons.
      No problem with registration unless you are suspicious of our Democratic government. It is a mystery that people who are proud to be Americans have such a deep distrust of our democratically elected government.

      • Harold Dean

        Just study your history, you fool, first come registration, then comes confiscation, then comes outright tyranny. History bespeaks itsselt.

      • DCGilbert

        If my Government doesn't trust me with a gun, I dare not trust that Government. Registration will do nothing to keep guns out of those not legally allowed to own them. Any criminal get steal a gun. Registered or not means nothing to a criminal. He'll still get one. And now with Concealed Carry Laws being enacted in many states, it kind of makes a criminal think twice about trying to rob/assault or rape an individual or break into a home. The home owner might just be armed. Or the 'victim' on the street might be armed. Kind of puts a law abiding citizen on a more level playing field. Tis better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. Especially if either is due to some criminal trying to accost you or your loved ones.

        • Houizi

          My niece gave me that sign (which still hangs over my gun cabinet): "If a government doesn't trust me with a gun, then I dare not trust that government."
          Thank you for that reminder.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        ..and can you guess where this deep set mistrust came from? We didn't just make this crap up: social security stolen; tax money wasted beyond belief; tax cheats holding senate office; senators coming out of office worth 25x what they were going in. And you wonder WHY we don't trust these snakes?

        Now let's talk about unconstitutional mandates: Affordable Health
        Care-MANDATED. Illegal immigration reform at the state level because the feds refuse to DO THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL job: protect the borders. States like Arizona, Texas, Georgia and SC step up to the plate only to have our AG cut them off at the knees.

        So you are correct when you imply distrust by the electorate; and with just cause. WE DON"T TRUST THOSE WHO CAN'T BE TRUSTED. ...it's really that simple.

      • Southern Jew

        RHSchumann...Eric Holder is waiting for you to call him and explain this to him! Distrust why should we have distrust? We have a illegitimate Illegal Usurper in the White House with a criminal as the head of the Department of Justice and a Jihadist running the State Department! Why worry?

      • calditz

        I'm fine with keeping guns away from criminals and true mental incompetents, but other than that brief and disposable check the government has no reason to care or be interested in what guns I have, how many or how I obtain them. It is purely a private matter. Your trust in the government is a cause for concern and demonstrates a lack of knowledge about history and gun control. Even so-called democracies like Australia, Canada and Great Britain have seen "registration" lead to "confiscation". Since your trust in government and lack of historical knowledge indicate you do not know the step that most often occurs after confiscation, I suggest you read about the Soviet Union, the Nazis, the Red Chinese and virtually every dictator in the last 125 years or so (170 million people killed by their own governments in the 20th Century alone). The Founders of the country didn't put the 2nd Amendment in there to help people protect themselves against criminals - that was a so common as to be unquestioned - they did it to allow us to protect ourselves from the government. You are just dangerously naive if you wish to submit to a permission to exercise a fundamental natural and Constitutional right to self-defense.

      • Richard

        Don't tell me. You were either born yesterday, or you have the IQ of an ice cube.

        • john

          Richard if he was any dumber you would have to water him

      • Warren

        O.M.G. RHSchumann, Your comment has made you look so very uninformed and that you simply choose NOT to watch the news. The Obama Administration has recently BROKEN MANY, MANY LAWS with their ongoing Fast & Furious debacle. YOUR OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL, Eric Holder has decided that he & his D.O.J. is completely above the law and that nobody can touch him. He will learn different sooner than later.
        MAY HE ROT IN HELL FOR WHAT HE AND THE D.O.J. HAVE DONE....

      • Robert

        The government has said more than I care to remember that they want to remove ALL GUNS from civilians . The founding Fathers came from a country that controlled who had weapons . The people could not defend themselves from anyone . If you take a peoples means of personal defense away they are easy to control .
        Look at history ,when someone takes over a nation the FIRST thing they do is disarm the people . The Progressives in this country have been trying to take over for years . Two things have stopped them ; 1 ) An educated citizenry that had a knowledge of American History and what America was all about ,the Constitution ,Bill of Rights , and what it means to be an American , 2) the fact that Americans are armed and will defend our country against ALL ENEMY'S BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC ,just ask the Japanese why they did not invade after Pearl Harbor .
        They have solved #1 ,they have dumbed our children in public schools to the point that when it comes to America the Chinese know more .
        Add that any time the Government KNOWS who has arms that it is simple to kick down the door at 2 AM and re-educate the miss guided Anti-Social gun owner . (CAN IT HAPPEN ,dam right, WILL IT HAPPEN ,can you take that chance ?!!)

      • Brad

        Many of our elected are just the best of what was offered. That doesn't make them someone you would trust.

      • pgabdo

        No problem for people to have a picture I.D. to vote, unless you like voter fraud. Do not trust anyone that wants gun
        registration but calls-in the "race card" when asked to show a picture I.D. to vote unless you are distrustful of our
        democratically elected govrnment. Will they come in conflict with the law?........................

        • Richard

          Acorn did

      • Liberty

        RHS - Have you been following the crooked, lying, criminal politician's behavior the last 90 years? No one with any common sense would trust these criminals with gun registration records. If you aren't suspicious of the crooks in power in our former Democratic Republic, you've been napping way too long.

      • DrJ

        First of all we have a Republic not a democracy. Obviously you do not know the difference. I do not care if felons own guns; if their crime was non violent and they have done their punishment, it should not be a life sentence. Ever fill out your tax form wrong- over estimate your deductions, or had a life insurance form that you may have fudged your weight on? You could be a felon, if caught. So don't be so smuge, as you are more ignorant than you know. You are probably not a Military Veteren, if you were you would not say such stupid things like " distrust of our democratic government", most Vets do, ever deal with the VA? You sir are an idiot of the most dangerous kind.

      • Robert

        Shumann, Are you in this century mentally or do you live in a fairy tale world of make believe, You bet your big posterior I do not and have not and will not TRUST this so called Democratic government. They are liars, thieves,crooked evil and deceitful animals that are concerned with stripping all of the funds from the little man and keeping them enslaved forever as long as they are taking the hard earned benifits worked for bye others! I think it is time for you to wake up and smell the coffee or quit smoking or shooting up the drugs that are apparently effecting your mind! OH MY Bad I forgot to ask are you a Democrat! If so we all know that you were lobotomized ( Removal of half your braind as a requirement to join this party) This means that you started off being a halfwhit and now with the drugs you are a no whit or ability to think!

      • Pleasepassthetea

        The reason that proud Americans are so deeply distrustful of our duly elected government is because the current administration has been operating outside of the boundaries of the Constitution and the laws of this land since the day Obama was inaugurated. I would also submit that the current government was not democratically elected. The Constitution provides for one man one vote and we all know that Obama and his minions have been buying votes and promoting election fraud through a variety of vehicles including but not limited to ACORN, the SEIU and unions in general. So yes, I am VERY suspicious of our "democratic" government - it bears almost no resemblance to our nation as it was founded and has become permeated and infested with unspeakable fraud and corruption.

      • Cincinnatus

        I do not condemn Democracy, just Democrats (the ultra liberal ones.)

    • Susan Woods

      I never touched a gun until I got married 45 years ago. My husband was a avid hunter and grew up with guns. He handed me a gun and showed me how to use it. We have 3 children. We put a gun in their hands when they were less than 5 years old, and we taught them how to use them, and we taught them gun safety and respect for the weapon. They all took hunter safety classes, even the girls! They have NEVER gotten into our guns unsupervised, We regularly went out shooting, ALL OF US. Our grandchildren were started out the same way. Knowledge is all-important, and ignorance is extremely dangerous. (Our daughter can drop a running deer with one shot!) We will NOT hesitate to defend ourselves and our loved ones with deadly force. My son and I have CWP's. Japan admitted that Americans being armed was the main reason why they did not invade America. The American people were armed and knew how to use their guns, and the Japanese couldn't face that kind of an "army"! The American government wants to disarm us so they can garantee control over us. I say "go to hell", and I'm not alone!!!!!

      • IGotAComment

        Susan, you sound a lot like my sisters, but they grew up with guns and hunting from an early age ... and they all taught their kids and now help teach their grandkids gun safety and respect for the harm guns can do. None of them have every harmed anyone. But if someone tries to harm family, friends or neigbors ... Lord help that person.

      • Warren

        Susan, I applaud your efforts to educate yourself and your children. I only wish there were more responsible parents like you out there. I too say "Go to Hell"

      • Robert

        Right on Susan and I am with you all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • Lee

      I disagree with your opening statement. I think the politicians do get it. The majority of politicians are really criminals and they want you disarmed so they can do whatever they desire. What they desire will not be something you will enjoy.

      • Robert

        So True Lee they are Criminals and Animals that could care less about us and it is showing more now than ever before!

    • Robert

      Born and raised south of the Yankee border we have a family heritage for the most part that Dads teach moms and kids about guns and their proper handling and care! but one of the worst influences nation wide is from the Television shows that produce lawless use of gun shows that tend to have a bad influence. Therefore at a young age through their teens as well we must now continue to stress gun safety and clarify that movies are make believe and not real guns even as realistic as they make them appear! Your City dwelling Yankees bye all rights fear the gun for they know who has them are usually the bad guys and in their environment they are not allowed to own, usually due to ignorant laws from their dimwhited leaders that have not attempted to control the distribution of guns to the criminal element because they themselves were for the most part Criminal themselves and took kickbacks and graft abounded money into their pockets! So gun abuse has been their cry because they chose to let it be! And this is their chosen way of life, For they elected those idiots and never corrected their implementations of Gun Laws!

      • Robert

        While I respect some Law enforcement personnel and the honest and dangerous job they do they cannot be everywhere all the time. This leaves the final teaching bye my father to be put into action! Which is as follows! Never point a gun at anything that you do not intend to shoot! I have added due to law one other step to this in the case of self preservation! I will if time permits state"I am armed and in fear of my life" Also In my judgement may state" I am armed and in fear of my life and will shoot to kill if necessary" If the awful situation should arise that shooting is the only recourse Then So be it! The responsibility for their life now falls in their own hands if I am being assailed by aweapon weilding Halfwhit! For the fact is one of us is going to be pushing up daisies as they say!

        • Cincinnatus

          My dad, and my uncles revised the saying, to wit: Don't point a gun at anything, or anyone, that you do not intend to kill.

    • DrJ

      Well said !

    • Disgusted

      You are right. I was introduced to firearms when I was 6 years old by my father. He emphasized safe handling and sressed the fact that the western movies ( and others ) thatI liked to watch were not real. The people were just pretending. To show what a firearm could do, he set a cantalope as a target and showed me how to aim and fire. I was using his .38 revolver and was lucky enough to hit it with my second shot. He showed me the hole I'd put in it, and that the bullet gad gone completely through it. " What would have happened if that had been a person ?" he asked. I've never forgotten that, and have taught others the same kind of lesson.I'm 70 now, and I've never shot anyone or robbed anyone ( my father also taught me the Ten Commandments to reinforce what I learned in Sunday School and church .) That is the clue. Reemphasize the family, a man and a woman.. married... and their children, with the father involved with his children, and attendance at a good church ... as a family.

    • Patrick Henry

      Get rid of all gun control laws state and federal and crime will drop overnight the evildoers are cowards at heart and will think twice.

    • Trish

      Well put !!! You said what my husband and I have been saying for years! We were both brought up in households where there were multiple guns ... sometimes standing in a corner! We wouldn't THINK of touching one of them without permission. We were taught the dangers, the proper handling, the capacity for destruction the a gun has. We were taught to respect the guns ... they were NOT toys. ALL guns were loaded (even when we knew they weren't) because in your mind that is how you handled them... as a loaded gun. The barrel is always to be pointed to the ground, straight up, or away from all living things. Your finger is never on the trigger until absolutely ready to fire. These and other basic rules of handling firearms are not that hard to teach at a very early age. As you said EDUCATION is absolutely the answer not gun control. And gun ownership is not the problem.

  • Gr29az

    we love our guns in arizona!

    • Chris P

      That's why there is no point in going there. Too much time and energy wasted on a futile enterprise instead of moving the country and the people forward into the future. Guns and violence need to be behind us.

      • http://GodfatherPolitics Hipockets

        Well,then guess you'll someday end up behind a gun,pointed at you,by our own govt. no doubt. Guns are not just for shooting people,they are for getting meat,(which we feed 10 people on all we get')
        What would you do in the event you had to save yourself or a family member??Use you cell phone to call the cops (who are 10 min away,or none available')? Get real,Until we get rid of the criminals (which will never happen'),Guns are a necessity. Hope you never get into a situation where
        you "wish" you had one' I have several times,thats why I have a safe full and one loaded by my bed,and 3 in my truck' I'm no gun toting fanatic,I'm a 70 some Great Grandmother. I will protect myself & family.

        • Robert

          Hipockets, Get them Grandma Annie Oakley I applaud your stand and am with you!

      • Larry

        Chris P, you need to watch the movie Hills have eyes.Focus only on the lives of the conservitive father in law and then the liberal son in law. Pay attention only to what happens to both in this movie and then put yourself in the son in laws shoes and what u yourself would become if it were u in his shoes.I'm guessing the same thing. Watch it then see deep down how we feel.

      • http://twitter.com/BrucePolWatch @BrucePolWatch

        Hey Chris P, Just spread the word and let those criminal thugs know that, "Guns and Violence need to be behind us" I'm sure they'll comply and we'll all finally be safe.

        • VT Patriot

          If Chris lived next door to me. I'd post up my sign "My neighbor >>> is a gun control advocate and has no guns. I am not such and advocate" That would make us both feel good.

      • PJS

        Chris P, you are a total moron aren't you, well go dial 911 when a thugh is beating you up and wait 10 minutes for a cop to show up; good luck !

        • Keith691

          If you live close enough to get an officer in 10 min. Majority of the time, the closest deputy is 25-30 mins away.

        • Robert

          Chris p is a lobotomised halfwhitted obama supporting Democrat tha is unable to think for himself but must be told every step and move to take! And if told to abuse our rights he will! OWS forever huh Chris?!

      • sidewinderaz

        Where do you get your information? I'll tell you what, why don't you go to the UK or Austraila where guns are banned and wait for someone to come to your aid if you ever need it.
        The cliche of "when seconds count the police are minutes away" are very true.
        I am a native of AZ and take great offense at your attitude. People there work hard and respect their right to CHOOSE to own and carry a firearm for their self defense. There's no "wild west blood in the streets showdown at noon" like you were probably taught in your school.
        If you live in the real world you will see that violence is usually brought on by people who prey on the weak (like you) and their only deterrant in AZ is not knowing who is carrying a lethal weapon to protect themselves with. So, I suggest that yes you should stay away from AZ because you are likely to soil your pants (or skirt) the first time you see someone legally carrying an openly carried pistol.

        • Robert

          You go there Side and you can bet that he would not go to AZ due to they are snivelling cowards that want everything done for them!

      • Harold Dean

        When you have all of the criminals convinced and disarmed, our own Federal Government following the Constitution to the letter, the DHS and all of the other government authorized criminals like the IRS, The Federal Reserve, the TSA, the BATFE, then and only then will I accede to your argument and turn in some of my guns. Since this has and never will happen, I hope you don't mind that I keep at least one hold out to defend my God given rights.

      • Amren

        You're so right, Chris! Do not come to Arizona! You will only screw it up with your imbecilic attitude. There's nothing here, anyway; Only cactus and rattlesnakes. So, you stay in whatever Liberal enclave you choose to call home and we'll stay here in the real America with our guns and our freedom. Also, a small challenge for you: Why don;t you walk down the streets in the bad part of town holding a wad of cash. Believe me, the guns and the violence WILL come from behind you.

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Chris P,
        Are you still wearing women's clothing?
        It's time for you to come out of the closet,
        your daddy Obama did.

        • sidewinderaz

          Touche!!

      • Rebecca

        uneducated idiot

      • gunny

        must be u have your panties in a bunch

      • Warren

        LOL.... You will be SO SCREWED when the Government tells you and your family how to live each & EVERY aspect of your lives. "Violence needs to be behind us" While I do not advocate Violence... Have you ever read any History books Christopher..? It looks as though you haven't as Violence has been with us since the beginning of time, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.!

      • Robert

        There you go again Chris Talking out of your anal opening . With out FREEDOM there is no FUTURE . Without Guns there is no FREEDOM . When will you and your friends get it .

      • Gr29az

        what needs to be behind us is the food stamp party.

      • Gr29az

        hey mr p, sorry you feel that way.

      • toogood61

        Chris there are bad people who live in our world, look at what happened to the Jews, and other people through out history there have been people that have been forced to turn in their guns or other ways to defend themselves and then the killing begins. The dictators of the world are afraid of people that have a way to defend themselves. I carry concealed because it is my right to defend myself. I am not a paranoid freak, I just want to be prepared! I was taught to respect and use a gun properly, I don't go around showing my gun in public because it can intimidate some people. I have been trained by several different fire arms instructors to use a gun safely. The state of CO also made me demonstrate to them that I can handle a gun. That in itself should be enough for people to realize that I'm not the threat. However that doesn't give a person that is scared of guns the right to think that all gun owners are irresponsible.

    • Paul

      Arizona gets a capital "A" because it is outstanding in the treatment of felons and illegal aliens.

    • Donald

      ...and Tennessee............

    • del

      you need them with the idiot in charge and his idiot in doj

      • Gr29az

        holder lied and people died

    • James Rhodes

      Just be SURE you KEEP them there!!!!!!!!!

    • gunny

      yes and we in utah love our guns

    • Warren

      Missouri has a love affair with our Gun's as well... And Chris P. AINT INVITED TO VISIT...

    • Robert

      Gr29az, and we love you in Arizona here in Georgia, keep up the good fight and support the Sheriff Joe drive against holder and obama 2 of the biggest Criminals on the face of this planet! If I lived their I would have advised Sheriff Joe to invite both of those criminals early on down for a visit then while in his jurisdiction Arrest and hold them in jail for failure to perform their duly sworn duties under the Constitution! And I might add that would be without bail set bye a nice gun packing Judge of the State of Arizona! Go get Arizona!

      • Gr29az

        joe is our hero. he's got huevos of steel. us true freedom loving
        arizonans will never abandone joe. we trully love him here.

      • Angel

        Don't forget McCain...he needs to be removed as well. He sponsored NDAA and is all for SOPA. I contacted him on both and he wouldn't budge so I consider him an enemy of the people as well. I, too live in Az. For now anyway!

    • "Tommy Gunner"

      SOME of US in Arizona love our guns. We,Arizonans, like the rest of this once great nation, have our ' fair share' of anti-gun liberal intelligentsia working tirelessly to subvert our 2nd Amendment Rights and the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. We have to remain forever vigilant if we want to keep them. We are only one election away from confiscation !!! Look at California , New York , or Illinois.

      • Gr29az

        you are so right mr gunner.

    • gomer

      we love our guns in alabama and are not afraid to use them

  • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

    I wrote a note in my facebook account. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000001318...
    I shall post the content here, for the ones who do not have a FB account:
    When I was in Bucharest, when I visited my parents, in 1994?? I read one of their books about philosophies during the centuries. At the Greek Democracy chapter I found the following: (I think, I do not remember the name of the guy precisely) Socrates detailed what a democratic system in a country (Greece) means and how it should work. You know… all men are equal…they all have the right to vote….. However, he said, slaves (no civil rights or any kind of rights whatsoever) should exist because somebody has to do the work…!!!!!! I was lying on the bed, horizontally, while I was reading, so, when I was gripped by a bout of laughter, I did not fall down.

    • Paul

      Were you laughing because you finally realized you were a slave? That is no joke!! When government at all levels take half of your pay, you are at least half slave to the state. When Lincoln announced that our nation could not survive half slave and half free he meant half of the people in the country but now it has taken on a whole new meaning. We are all half slave and half free.

    • DENNIS

      WHEN SECONDS COUNT,,,, THE POLICE ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY!!! ,,,,,,,
      .......... PEOPLE WITH GUNS ARE CITIZENS
      ............PEOPLE WITHOUT GUNS ARE SUBJECTS.........OR SLAVES

      ....DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS,,,,

    • John Detwiler

      There has to be a lot of people out there, undoubtably some are democrats, who didagree with those who wish to ban guns, Because this Christmas there were over 5 million, yes thats right 5 million guns sold to people who are tired of politicians who think that they shouldn't be allowed to have them. Do you suppose that they may be worried that the people are getting tired of them and their controling laws, and just maybe they may do something about it.

  • Soylent Green

    I used to be a fireman and my brother is a retired police officer. Probably 99% of policemen do NOT support gun control. In fact, the NRA hosts training programs for most of them. (The 1% exception is politically appointed big city liberal police chiefs with little or no actual on the beat experience.) So, it always seemed to me, that if it really was CRIME control we were after, it would be the rank and file police who were actually dealing with crime that would call for more 'control'. But THEY aren't. No, it is the politicians who are the ones clamoring for more 'gun control'. It always comes from the top down, not the other way around. This should lead everyone to acknowledge that it true purpose is not 'crime' control, just 'CONTROL'.
    Here is a VERY good Youtube video on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTdphM-tUQ0

    • Paul

      Thanks for that link. That lady should run for Congress. I'm reminded that Switzerland requires all citizens to be trained in the use of fire arms and each home to have an assault rifle. A study of their history shows that it is effective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_t... Those who say Dr. Paul's views on defense are ridiculous should especially view that history.

    • Harold Dean

      That was a very powerful and moving testimony. I saw it the very first time t was posted. Did you notice, I hope the totally bored expressions on all of the politicians faces. If this is not evidence to all they could really care less about us and our lives. They are only concerned with garnering enough votes to be elected, reelected etc to their cushy positions and will embrace any group, nutty or not that has a voice than can be heard and deliver those votes. She would have gotten farther trying to convince a fence post that this bunch of boobs sitting there. From what I have seen, they firmly believe that the gun does in fact go out and start killing people randomly. For what it is worth, my old Civil War 58 caliber Enfield muzzle loading rifle which fits the assault rifle category because it has a bayonet lug has hung for the past thirty seven years over the door in the den, unloaded and has to this date never took off down the street mowing down innocent citizens or school children. I can't vouch for its restraint when it comes to politicians since to the best of my knowledge it has never been exposed to any.

    • Mike88

      I don't know if Police Chief is an elected position within the Police Departments or if is a Politically Appointed position appointed by the Mayors office, so this statement might be a little off base but perhaps more Rank and file police officers should run for the job of Police Chief since you have much more experience in the field of crime prevention or crime solving and investigating skills.

      • Keith691

        Mike, it depends on the city statutes. A city 8 miles north of us, the chief is elected. The chief in the town butting up to this city is appointed. Our chief is appointed also.

    • Mike Shepard

      Police are only good for picking up the bodies and taking the statements. If you want to be a live witness rather than a dead victim you have to take matters into your own hands. Better tried by twelve than carried by six.

    • Sam

      Thank you so much for posting this fabulous lady and her comment to our disgusting eliteist elected buffoons. I now remember her on with Mark Levin sometime in early 2011 and of course I remember it well because I lived in Austin at the time that it happened.....

    • Keith691

      I am a deputy, and I believe in GUN CONTROL; i.e. Able to control your weapon so that the first shot counts. ;)

    • Handyman

      Right, you have the answers for our ahole politicians!

    • Richard

      In a socialist or communist regime they don't want people to have guns so the people can't fight back,so that is what the Soviets did after the second world war take away all the people's weapons .

  • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

    Because the democrats in USA are based on the values set by Socrates, they keep also his hegemonicon: a society has to have slaves, because somebody has to do the work!!! This is my humble opinion. In the past, the democrats were the ones who voted FOR slavery. I have watched a documentary about Abraham Lincoln, screened on BBC. It has been clearly stated that democratic party were the ones who wanted to keep slavery going, exactly as at present times, the democrats are validating the communist regimes in other countries, because somebody has to do the work (slavery went global since the WWI) and, also, in USA they want a big government. JFK was against communism in any country and this is why he was killed, among many other reasons. Putin, the insurer that liberty and people power have not a chance in Russia, is well received by Hollywood democratic media: they want Russian people enslaved, that is why they want Putin to be popular in Russia.

    • Robert K. Webb

      Never forget, Putin as head of the KGB (secret state police) was in charge of the nuts and bolts daily operation of police state in the USSR. He is almost single-handedly responsible for the imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of dissidents and "political enemies of the state" in the gulag archepelago. Many people so quickly forget, that while the USSR changed flags, the old guard Politburo is still very much alive and well. And they long for the old days. We will probably never know how many of these "heroes of the Soviet Union" live, work, and spy on Americans here. Next to prostitution, espionage is the oldest profession. I don't see a dime's worth of difference between the two trades. How many so-called patriots would sell out their own mothers right along with America for less than 30 pieces of silver? Too many, I fear.

    • Robert

      Ileana ,
      There are very few Democrats anymore . My Grandparents were life long Democrats , they raised me so I was too in many ways .
      Some where the Progressives have taken over a little at a time . You will be hard pressed to find a real Democrat under 50 years of age . All they are now are sheep and bottom feeders looking for a free ride .

      • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

        Agreed.

    • Pineapple

      Lincoln was a racist who was also guilty of war crimes and is responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans.

      In 1858, during a debate with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln said: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people….” (Google Lincoln-Douglas debates.)

      It is commonly taught that the War Between the States was about the abolition of slavery. Actually, the impetus for the war was due to a tariff placed on imported goods coming through Southern sea ports by a Northern dominated Congress. This tariff was referred to by southerners as the Tariff of Abominations and nearly caused South Carolina to secede from the Union. Andrew Jackson threatened to send federal troops to Charleston if South Carolina refused to collect the tariff and send it to Washington. (See “Kearney’s March” by Winston Groom.)

      This tariff was used to build roads and bridges in the northern states while the south was left to fend for itself.

      Senator William Grayson of Virginia expressed concern that the South would eventually become the “milch cow” of the Union.

      When the southern states threatened secession, Lincoln was asked why he didn’t just let the South go. He said: ”Let the South go? Let the South go! Where then shall we get our revenues?”(See “Memoirs of Service Afloat” by Raphael Semmes.)

      Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation excluded slave states that remained in the Union and certain parishes in Louisiana that were under control of Union troops. It only applied to states in the Confederacy, which was a sovereign nation, over which Lincoln had no legal authority.
      Therefore, his proclamation did not free slaves anywhere.

      Slaves were eventually freed by passage of the Thirteenth Amendment on December 6th, 1865.

      Some of the many atrocities committed by Lincoln’s Union Army are as follows:

      1.Lincoln ordered General Sherman to “make Georgia howl.” So Sherman marched through Georgia burning not only towns, villages, factories and grist mills, but also burning crops, leaving women, children, and the elderly to starve. Sherman captured more than two thousand white women and children who were sent to the North to work at sustenance level pay, making them virtual slaves for the Yankees. They were never returned to their families.
      2.Union Colonel John B. Turchin was court-martialed for letting his troops “plunder and pillage the inhabitants” of Athens, Alabama, and allowing several of his soldiers to commit rape on the person of a colored girl. After being convicted, Turchhin was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General by Abraham Lincoln and continued to serve in the Union Army until Oct 4, 1864.
      3.In Marion County Missouri, Gen. John McNeil threw southern sympathizers in jail for expressing a pro-Southern point of view. When a Union informer came up missing, McNeil threatened to kill ten of these men if the informer did not show up. When the informer didn’t show up, these men were summarily executed. Shortly afterwards, McNeil was promoted to Brigadier General by Lincoln.
      4. In 1862, several tribes of Native Americans revolted against the cruel policies of the United States government. This caused Minnesotans to fear for their safety. General John Pope rounded up 300 warriors, out of which Lincoln selected thirty nine to be executed. These Native Americans were executed to assuage the fears of white Minnesotans so they would vote for the re-election of Lincoln, which they did. (For details of the above and other atrocities, see, “The South was Right” by James and Walter Kennedy.)

      By invading The Confederate States of America, a sovereign nation, Lincoln caused the death of 600,000 Americans, not to end slavery but to hold on to power.

  • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

    The Republican party were the ones who voted against the slavery, because, in the North they had TO PAY the workers (agricultural or industrial), while in South they had NONPAID slaves doing all the work. They (the Republican party) opted for PAID WORKERS and they prevailed.

    Actress Julia Roberts said “Republican comes in the dictionary just after reptile and just above repugnant”. I say Republican comes from Re-Public, i.e. give back to the public, give back power to the people. It is what Reagan did, when he gave the taxpayers money back, what was leftover after everything was paid.

    Jolinar of MalkShur, avatar of Ileana Eliza Paunica
    I live in an area in London, England where are in power the loony left since forever. They protect the aparatchniks above all and treat the poor people as cattle with human faces, exactly according to the directive given by Marx.

    • skip

      ileana, i like your stuff... hey, happy new year... :)

      • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

        Happy New Year to you too to every US true patriot and who is not an enemy of the human race. Right after WWII, according to Major Jordan diaries, people from US have given nuclear weapons technologies to the Soviets, from where went further to mao. Whoever gave the technology to stalin, were enemies of the human race (later the Rosenbergs took the fall). Putin and maoists in China (which protect, also, the most bestial regime of present days, in North Korea), are still doing whatever they please with their own people because of the nuclear rule: who has the nuclear weapons rules.

      • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

        During the Korean war in 1950s, Doug McArthur, after occupying the entire Korean peninsula, when mao started to amass troops at the border with Korea, said to whoever was US president at the time: let me nuke Peking. The idea was nixed. Wouldn't have been nice for the entire China (people of China, most and foremost) to live like in Taiwan? The enemies of the human race who gave nuclear weapons to stalin are responsible for enslaving bestially the Eastern block countries (aka Absurdistan, how Vaclav Havel named it), the soviets and the Chinese. It is said that the nuclear weapons were given to stalin by secret societies. To this enemies of the human race I do not wish a happy New Year; I wish that 2012 will be their demise. I would curse them to hell but they are the rulers of hell, so, any curse would be useless.
        Happy New Year to all lovers of the human race.
        Jolinar of Malk Shur, avatar of Ileana Eliza Paunica

    • tiredofthecrap

      Julia Roberts is a VASTLY over-rated actress, is homely as a pile of cow dung, and as stupid as a rock. I have no sympathy for her. By the way, to use her example, the word "sympathy" in the dictionary falls between "SH-T" and "syphilis".

      • sidewinderaz

        I use that phrase quite frequently when reference to some dem-rats and my lack of that emotion toward them or their well being.
        Cheers!

    • Ginger

      Again.a vapid, empty headed "actor" spews nonsense and all they care about is that the vacuous public will continue to support their "work"by paying to see them in all their garbage.

  • ed357

    When seconds count.............

    THE POLICE ARE MINUTES AWAY.

    • Chris P

      Live somewhere safer then oh clueless one.

      • wayne74467

        And that would be where, Chrissy.

      • sidewinderaz

        Every post I've seen from you shows your complete ignorance of a great many things.
        Get yourself an education from somewhere other than the public indoctrination centers and you can come back and have a substantive discussion with the "big boys & girls" on this forum.
        At the very least have something somewhat intelligent to add to the discussion besides your emotional anti-gun, anti-self-defense outbursts.

      • MikeC711

        Chris, Police cannot be there to prevent crime. To have even a shot at preventing 10% of the crimes, we would need 10 times the policemen and a total police state that eliminates liberty. I am a fan and family-member of police and they do a great job investigating and catching some number of the people involved. But if you are victimized, you are your own first line of defense. You can choose to whine to the police, or you can prepare yourself. I believe you have a far better chance (as that victim did based on his Mother's actions) if you have a firearm available to defend yourself. But relax Chris, we have the same goal ... total control of my life. So what could go wrong.

      • VT Patriot

        Chrissy, So long as the police have the chalk to mark where they found your body, they did their job. BTW, do you own a fire extinguisher?? Why??? Planning on burning your house down???

    • Angel

      What many don't or can't or WON'T see is that the police have no legal obligation to protect the people. http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-police-arent-l.... http://hematite.com/dragon/policeprot.html...........

      So, if you think the cops are always going to come to your rescue...think again. 10 minutes out...means they are probably taking their time...IF they even come at all!

      Read more: Guns Save People, Again | Godfather Politics http://godfatherpolitics.com/2936/guns-save-peopl...

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Those who hammer their guns into plows,
    will plow for those who don't.

    Thomas Jefferson.

    • Bart

      and all this time, I thought gun control was proper sight alignement, sight picture, and trigger squeeze. semper fi

      • CapitalistNature

        Hey Bart, that is what I always understood gun control to be. Proper control of your gun. May God keep my shots straight and true.

        • Robert

          At 61 my eyes are not what they once were . My gun control started to waver . My Colt 1911 shot placement opened up a little to 4"-6" . I am happy to say I have my gun control back it is back to 2" or less . You want Gun Control Get Crimson Trace .

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

    John Adams.

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    To perserve liberty, it's essential that the whole body of the people
    always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young,
    how to use them.

    Richard Henry Lee - American Statesman, 1788.

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Why I Carry a Gun!

    My old grandpa said to me 'Son, there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and
    usually it's when he becomes too old to take an butt whoopin.'

    I don't carry a gun to kill people.
    I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

    I don't carry a gun to scare people.
    I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
    I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
    I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

    I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
    I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
    I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

    I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
    I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

    I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
    I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

    I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
    I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

    I don't carry a gun because I love it.
    I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

    Police protection is an oxymoron.
    Free citizens must protect themselves.
    Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

    Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a whoopin'.....

    • Chris P

      The likelihood of you needing to use it is near zero. It's a game perpetuated by the gun manufacturers. They hype the whole thing to separate you from your hard earned dollars.

      Other countries do just fine without these silly things.

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Chris P,
        I see you're still a force for evil...

        • Batwings

          Raymond,
          You are right on. Chris P. must be a Obozo loving Liberal.
          Keep the faith brother.
          Semper-Fi

        • http://www.chick.com Raymond

          Hi Batwings,
          Chris P goes from website to website pushing the agenda of
          George Soros. He also uses various screen names..

        • wayne74467

          Not much of a force.

        • http://www.chick.com Raymond

          He's not much a man either.

        • randy

          raymond,love you man..happy new year...

      • cowgirl

        You are living in a fantasy world. Do some research on the Countries that have a ban on guns. You'll find out that all crimes, including rape and murder is up. That is because the gun ban gives the criminals job security knowing that their victims can't fight back. What would you do if your wife/daughter/granddaughter/friend was being raped and you were there, would you watch them get raped or would you fight back? The rapist would have a gun, so you would need a gun to save your family. Would you use it or would you stand and watch??? I would kill the attacker. I have 14 guns and I know how to use them.

      • Uncle Ho

        Where do you live in some fantasy land??

      • Old geezer

        It's that near zero that makes me carry a gun and that makes me feel comfortable.

      • Michael K

        Then Chris you should go and live in one of those other countries.

      • cathy777

        Well, Chris ... glad to hear you've led a charmed life ... so far.

        When I was followed home by a carload of unsavory males (in a nice neighborhood), my ONLY link with sanity -- while waiting for the cops to arrive -- was my gun at my side ... my "equalizer." Maybe you're not all that bothered by a female loved one suffering through total terror ... others are.

        And those other countries doing "just fine" ... not so much these days, and it won't be long before they'll sorely regret not having protection.

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Chris P,
        please do America a favor, go take a hike in Iran.
        By the way, take 100 of your closest friends with you...

        • sidewinderaz

          Excellent! I read some great posts from you on here.

        • http://www.chick.com Raymond

          Thank you Sidewinderaz.

      • sidewinderaz

        You are ignorant beyond belief. If you bother to look up the facts before you open your mouth you will see that in countries like the UK, Australia, many countries in Europe their crime rates have skyrocketed with gun bans.
        And please don't insult our intelligence by comparing the US with "other countries". If that were the case why are so many people dying go get here?

      • CapitalistNature

        You are probably going to invite your assailants in your home for hot cocoa and sing Kumbaya! Have a calm discussion with these said criminals on the reasons why they should play nice and why they should try to integrate into society right? And then you will feel you really touched their hearts and they change their ways? After they are done drinking your hot cocoa, they will shut you up before you even start singing Kumbaya and rob you silly. DO YOU KNOW WHY???

        CRIMINALS ONLY UNDERSTAND STRENGTH! CRIMINALS ONLY UNDERSTAND REASONING LOOKING DOWN A BARREL OF A GUN! GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ARSE BEFORE YOU GET YOURSELF KILLED! But then again, if you get yourself killed, you will be doing the American public a favor. Please continue living the way you do so that you may see the errors in your ways.

      • TheOtherWhiteMeat

        You need to examine the statistics, useful idiot.

      • IGotAComment

        Well if Raymond just carries that gun his entire life ... and never uses it, he will be happy. And guess what, no harm done. On the other hand, if he has to use it to protect himself or family, it is a good thing he had it.

        Just like wearing a life jacket, you never need it until you need it ... and then, are you ever glad you had it.

        Sounds like Chris P does not believe in life jackets either.

      • Noweareman

        Better to have a gun and not neeed it-than to need a gun and NOT have it!

      • Robert

        Anal speaking again Chris . Have you ever known a little law that states that you never need anything until you don't have it .
        I carry a gun for that reason ,I have for 30 years and will until I die . When you make the choice to Carry you assume the safety of yourself and others that may need your help to stay alive .
        I am to old to run and never liked that much anyway .
        Some day You may find yourself in need of saving and I hope there is a Gun Owner there to save your rear and that he doesn't know how Anal you are. He would most likely save you anyway before you try to get him arrested

      • Liberty

        The likelihood might be near zero, but, in my case, the gun has saved my butt twice, and I didn't have to shoot any of the bad guys. I guess you've never been in one of those life or death situations?????????? You would have learned, you are on your own.

      • NavySubVetDave

        Yes, well, it's the 'near' part that worries me. When i was much younger, I was on separate occasions, mugged, held up and beaten up but now, at 69, I'm a little less willing to allow myself and anyone with me, to be taken advantage of again. "silly things" -- you'd better hope you're not in the wrong place at the right time, silly boy! Thanks Raymond for your service and Semper Fi from a submarine Navy veteran!

      • DENNIS

        YOU ARE AN IDIOT. IF YOU RECEIVED THE NRA MAGAZINE , THERE IS AN ARTICLE EACH MONTH WITH STORIES OF PEOPLE PROTECTING THERE HOMES AND LIVES WITH GUNS, WHO WOULD HAVE DIED WAITING FOR THE POLICE... MAY YOU SOON HAVE A HOME INVASION, AND HOPEFULLY BE BEATEN TO WITHIN AN INCH OF YOUR LIFE, AND NONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES HOME AT THE TIME,,,, YOU WILL THEN CHANGE YOUR TUNE....

    • cathy777

      Love it, Raymond! I'm "cutting and pasting" this bounty of common sense when next I'm debating with ones less wise. Your avatar leads me to say: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Semper Fi Cathy 777

    • 12April61

      Very well said. Thank-you.

    • Scott Todd

      I'm copying and saving this! Thanks for the post.

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Thanks Scott.

    • Robert K. Webb

      I carry a gun because I have the god-given right of self-defense, with a hefty side order of healthy fear-as opposed to cowardice in the face of the enemy- which has kept me alive for 59 years. Not to mention the obvious: it's better to be tried by twelve than carried by six! And make no mistake about it, if my government thinks they can legislate that right to bear arms away, they have a lot to learn about us old veteran patriots who actually know what the Constitution stands for. It's going to take more than a despot's pen stroke to take my guns from my hands.

    • d.stout

      thank God for your grandpa. I'm a grandpa and have the exact beliefs.

    • Capt. Norman

      Raymond - Sempre Fi!!!!

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Thank you Captain..

    • Rebecca

      Police do not prevent the crime, but with cell phonesthey can locate the body now

    • Soldier of Fortune

      I like this so much a copied it to wp file to keep and forward to some friends.

      The point you made regarding what the law enforcement does is right on. In court cases the judiciary has stated that law enforcment is under no obligation to provide protection to anyone... just society in general by way of investigatin crime after the fact and arresting those who break the law. While the slogan 'To Protect and Serve' sounds good, it is just that... only a slogan. Far too many people believe that law enforcement will protect them when their only obligation is to investigate their murder and possibly bring the perpatrator to justice. There aren't enough LEOs anywhere to provide the level of protection far too many people think they have.

      There's a point that Chris P ought ot consider... in Great Britain using a weapon to protect yourself is not a justifiable defence.

    • Jimbo

      Beautifully written and stated. Pure common sense and truth all rolled up together.
      I can envision the pathetic Sorosites oozing pomposity and pseudo intelectual arrogance
      as they consider Raymonds writing as right wing dribbel. I wonder how many body guards
      Soros has and what kind of heat are they packing.

    • gINGER

      PRECISELY !!!

    • Richard Holmes

      I thiink like you do. I don't want to get kicked in the teeth and I don't want some worthless punk to kill me or anyone else. Evil will feed on its self if good refuses to be a victim.

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Hi Richard,
        We live in a world where evil is promoted and protected by law.
        A couple of years ago a muslim challenged me to my face,
        after it was over he was afraid of me.

    • janniej

      Beautifully written

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Thank you.

    • m.g.o'c.

      You carry a gun because you are a TRUE AMERICAN and know how to enjoy FREEDOM! Well said Sir!.

    • ed357

      because..........

      A. A policeman weighs too much.....

      and/or...

      B. There's not enough policemen for everyone to have one?

      Molon Labe...... ; - >

    • Angie

      Very well said Raymond. You have or had a very smart grandpa!

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Thank you,
        My grandfather passed away in 1959.

  • Mad American

    i say the little sob got what he deserved if everyone was made to have a gun crim would almost stop because if i was a criminal i would know i had a great chance of geeting shot and wouldnt do it

    • Ed Brault

      An ARMED society is a POLITE society...
      Robert A. Heinlein

    • cowgirl

      Exactly, but there should be mandatory gun courses for all first time gun owners. I have 14 guns and I know how to use them. If anyone broke into my home,will, lets just say that would be that last time he/she commited a crime.

    • Daniel from TN

      That was actually done in one city several years ago. The local DA became tired of prosecuting gun related crimes so he convinced the local city council to pass an ordinance that REQUIRED citizens to be armed at all times. The results? Over the next several years there was absolutely NO crime in the city. Criminals knew that town was not easy pickins. The public has not heard much about this town because the mainstream media, aka lamestream media, aka government controlled media, is pro gun control.

    • "Tommy Gunner"

      @ Mad American -- Perfect example is Switzerland. EVERY citizen household has a gun or two or three. Every ablebodied citizen is trained in proper weapons use( military standards). Every citizen is provided ammunition and yearly training.
      Switzerland has one of the lowest rates of gun related crime ( and violent crime) in the world !!!

    • Robert

      In the worst cowtown of the old west a women could walk the street at night and never be afraid . In reality there was less crime than there is now . Mugging was not something that never happened . play the game "what if"

      What if the dueling code was brought back and enforced . If you were called out you had no choice but to show up and fight by the rules .

  • DOOM161

    Who decided that people live in apartment buildings because they're poor? Donal Trump lives in an apartment building.

    • Michael G.

      I thought he owned the apartment building.

      • wayne74467

        He does, but he still lives in it.

    • Tank

      Rich people call those a "Condo"...

  • http://godandspirit.com tina

    lock N load :)

  • Chris P

    You people and your silly guns. Paranoid and delusional. Society will be better off when these silly things are gone. Far too many people die.

    Come up with a non-lethal defensive weapon like an LED flashlight and grow up.

    You claim to be Christians but you are happy to kill your fellow humans.

    • Armed and educated

      I am armed because sometimes my fellow human beings are trying to kill me! Pay attention dummy. You are one of the millions of uneducated folks who are afraid to go outside because there aren't enough folks like me to keep the bad guys away. So next time someone threatens you or your wife or kids Call a cop! he will get there in time to clean up the mess and ask... What happened? If you were educated and armed there would be no problem or mess.

    • MLH

      You are the kind of Jaggovv that will be wondering in your last few minutes on Earth, why the robber still shot you after you gave him your money. :)))))

    • Southern Jew

      Chris P.....I have made more than 12 citizens arrest and assisted in the last two years...All of those I apprehended and helped our local law enforcement to capture were armed! Mostly with shotguns and hand guns....I guess you thing you can bat the bullets with a flash light? Personally I have not seen a flash light yet that will protect you from the affect of Buck Shot!
      Now by practicing my Constitutional responsibility and right our area of the county is much better because the drug dealers can not come out to the country roads to do their drugs deals anymore! I am happy, my neighbors are happy and the local police are happy...and it is a good place to live!
      When Obama puts his provisional military force together made up of illegals offered citizenship do not come looking for a weapon at my door because you willingly forsook your Constitutional responsibility as a citizen! Join the rest of the idiots in the internment camp!

    • Scott Todd

      What are you going to do- shine it in their eyes? Like that'll work. All they have to do is point their gun in the general direction and they'll still get you. Or were you planning on using it like a club? I'm guessing they can pull the trigger faster than you can swing that thing.

      And did you read that last post from Raymond? "I don't carry a gun to kill people.
      I carry a gun to keep from being killed." If you can't tell the difference there's no hope for you.

      • Liberty

        Scott, in reference to Chris: "You can't fix stupid, or, totally brainwashed".

    • cathy777

      Mere words cannot express how HOPELESSLY clueless you are.

    • tiredofthecrap

      Try reading your Bible, you simpleton. In the Old Testament God told the Israelites to bring war to many a people and, in some cases, to utterly destroy them. Being a Christian doesn't mean dumping your brains in the toilet as you obviously have. Jesus said for those who don't own a sword (they didn't have guns then--but I have to point this out to you because you are a simpleton) to go and buy one.

    • Another Veteran

      Well, if the individual who was attempting to, rape and plunder were allowed to continue, sooner or later they would resort to murder to keep from going to jail. By eliminating their desire to do crime, other people live. Moreover, no one realizes that the victim usually is a taxpayer and pays into the coffers of the state and federal treasury and the criminal doesn't pay taxes.... This is one time I agree with Charles Darwin-survival of the fittest. And sometimes the fittest have guns to protect themselves or their families. If a thief is intent of robbing me, I hope he isn't close enough for me to hit with the LED flashlight. By then my goose would be cooked...

    • John P. Centonze

      Fine! and to show how convinced you are of your feelings, I would suggest that, whenever you go out in public, you wear a sign saying:" I am in favor of gun control and as such I want to assure you that I am unarmed!"
      You might say this is silly but I get an inkling that you believe that everybody is warm and friendly so you shouldn't have any qualms to state your feelings about gun control openly.
      Just what do you expect to accomplish with an LED flashlight? What makes you think everybody would shoot to kill?
      I believe that you would continue to hold your beliefs right up to the time you or one of your loved ones experience a nasty situation that could have been avoided if you or they were armed! John P. Centonze, D.D.S., Waterbury, VT

    • Steven

      When faced with an armed attacker , a flashlight is NOT a weapon. It is an unmistakable TARGET.

    • Bart

      the Lord said to smite them hip and thigh. folks bleed to death pretty quick cut in those places.

      • Robert K. Webb

        Ever wonder how Hannibal Barca managed to defeat a crack Roman army at the Battle of Cannae in 216 BC? Actually, you will find it in the game of chess, a move called en passant. As the Romans advanced through Barca's collapsing lines,it was the order of battle then to slash the quadracept muscles in the back of the (unarmored) Romans' legs. It was really quite lethal and led to their annihaltion. Barca took back more than 75,000 Roman signet rings of nobility(most of those soldiers came from noble families) to the Carthagenean Senate. But it was all for naught and fell on deaf ears. The reputation of Rome preceded his trip and Carthage was overtaken by a false sense of security, much like Americans today. America is ripe for foreign invasion, not so much because we are armed, but because we have become too lazy to defend our heritage from traitors within and without. we could learn a lot about the fall of Carthage.

    • JIM

      Chris LED flashlights are for idiots who dont have enough sense to arm themselves with a gun ...after you get done protecting yourself with your LED flashlight you can use it to light up your wounds so the paramedics can see what their doing ....if you haven't expired from stupidity by then

    • chas

      To all of you beating up on Chris---he is just playing with you, Democrats love that kind of humor. He could never be that ignorant to believe the stuff he writes. Even governmnet run schools do teach some parts of American History--so he knows the value of what this Nation stands for and always has.
      Lets all give him a break from his entertainment by ignoring his posts
      I just read this past Christmas was a record saless for guns in America-------this is a positive sign that some are waking up and many are starting to appreciate why the Founders created the 2nd amendment. As far as poor Chris throwing the dig at Christianity----well I bet those poor Christians could have used a gun back when--instead of shooting lions they could have shot the Romans around feeding time.
      they did have sticks and rocks but no flashlights--I go with the need of the gun first

      • Harold Dean

        From his type of posting, I believe that he actually believes that since I have accosted a number of people who do believe such a thing. 'we had a neighbor woman in California years ago who had a pair of problem sons who could do no wrong, even when they torched the school. One of them was caught by my oldest son, standing on a footstool from the living room placed on a kitchen chair from the kitchen, inside the closet in my bedroom getting down my rifle I kept up there. It was not hidden from my children since they knew and were familiar with guns and gun discipline. It was hidden from robbers in an accesible place because we had been having a rash of home invasions by illegal Mexicans. 'when reported to his mother after my son dragged him out of there and off the premises, her statement was that I should not be allowed to have filthy old guns and they should be taken by the police who she had called and after taking the report and interviewing my son, they cited him for criminal trespass further enraging her. What did she expect, he already had a rap sheet at fourteen years old. She was not the only one I encountered with that attitude over the years.

        • Doug Rodrigues

          That reminds me of a male jjuvenile I often had to deal with on the streets. I'd take the kid home to his mother (no father) and remind her of her son's illegal activities, and that she had to take some positive action to straighten out her son. All I ever got in response from her were statements such as, "Oh no, he's a good boy." Finally, Vincent P*****er crashed while speeding off on a motorcycle he had just stolen. He died. Strange that I still remember the kid's name after 30 years?

        • MLH

          Same kind of Jaggovv as Chris P. :)))))

    • Bluedresser

      When we first moved to Nevada I was to be out of town up to two weeks at a time and we were living near a large pasture area. I stopped at the local gun store to get a handgun for my wife who would be home alone while I was gone. I asked the gun dealer if there would be a problem getting one. He looked at my not-yet-changed California license plate and said, :You're not in California anymore boy. Here in Nevada you can carry a loaded gun in your car as we consider your car to be like your home. Why do you think there aren't many car hijackings in Nevada?" Neither she, nor I, have been without one since.

      • Doug Rodrigues

        I had a woman call our station asking me, "If I have my gun in the glove box and keep the bullets in the trunk, is that okay?" My answer was, "Lady, if your bullets are in the trunk, what good is your gun?" She didn't know that in Nevada, with the exception of Clark County (Las Vegas), you can legally have a loaded gun in your glove box or under the seat where you can get to it. Of course you definitely don't want to pull the gun out of the glove box during a traffic stop without first telling the Cop that you have a gun in the glove box!

        • wildbronco

          Actually only in North Las Vegas can you not have a loaded firearm readily accessable. Incidently North Las Vegas likewise does have Car Jackings, and the highest crime rate of any city in the State of Nevada. I should know I used to live in Henderson NV which is likewise in Clark County. The onlything I had to do was register the firearm I was going to carry in plain sight with the City Police of Henderson, and was issued a Blue Card from the County Sheriff of Clark County NV. I carried that pistol with me everywhere I went in Clark County including when driving through North Las Vegas. I never had a problem, not even from the Police.

    • PJS

      One wonders what ChrisP had to drink that so addled his one brain cell. What do you think would have happened back in the 1700's IF the American citizens had NOT been armed, what would ahve happened in Concord and on Bunker Hill?
      What would have happened in other areas of the country. Why do you think American soldiers were so effective in WW1 and WW2; don't you suppose that ir was due to AMERICANS having had GUN RIGHTS and owned guns and learned to use them.
      ChrisP ;You are a simpleton incapable of coherent thought

      • Pleasepassthetea

        Amen PJS. And just to add to your excellent point, think how many more MILLIONS of Jews would have died in concentration camps in WWII if we didn't use guns, tanks and bombs!!! Oh wait, we could've used LED flashlights! You, ChrisP, are what communists refer to as a "useful idiot."

    • Kaycey351

      Let me know how that LED flashlight fares against that gun doofus! You are a prime example of the shallowness of thought that the liberal left engages in. Merely outlawing guns will cause all criminals to turn in guns right? IDIOT!

    • d.stout

      You are a mindless robot, spewing what another mindless robot told you, who heard it from another,,,,,,,well, you get the point.....

    • Jim Welch

      If you were able to remove all the guns from all the people - bad and good - murders, robberies, rape, and violence of every kind would continue unabated. See: http://www.salon.com/2005/07/20/hatzfeld/

      Just one example, but approx 800,000 people were slaughtered mostly with machetes and clubs. The public didn't have the Right To Bear Arms.

      I suggest the dead and maimed would agree they would have been much better off with an AR-15 and 1,000 rounds of ammo.

      If you remember during the last riots in L.A. the only people not having their businesses looted and burned were sone Korean merchants that took up arms and defended their property and lives.

      You would be the first to squeal like a little stuck pig if faced with violent death. But, then it's too late. Your not just a "bleeding heart liberal", you are just a victim with a slit throat.

      Guns are good.

    • Jerry

      Your flash light makes you nice target at night and not much useful during sunshine. One of the most idiotic sugestion I did ever hear.

    • Bob L.

      Chris P.,You don't want freedom!!! AMERICA used guns to become free!!! And to keep our freedom every american needs a gun, so we can keep the goverment from taking away our FREEDOM!!! I'M A Bornagain Christian too!!!

    • Kathy

      Chris you have no idea what you are talking about. It guns were illegal the only people with them will be people who want to do harm to the good people. Wake up and realize that the people with guns ... The good people that is have them to protect themselves. And if you don't believe that you are Stupid!

    • big guns

      glad to know that you are not carring a gun. I now know where to look when I break in your dwelling and rob you!

      • MLH

        Are you going to shoot him after you rob him so he cannot testify against you in court? :)))))

    • wasadoc

      Ah, yes, and you will do what?--Shine the light at the attacker?

    • MLH

      You are the kind of Jaggovv that wonders in your last few minutes on Earth, why the robber still shot you after you gave him your money! Not everyone is friendly and not everyone is Christian, Jaggovv! :))))

    • CO.40S&W

      What a concept. An LED flashlight that protects you from some criminal with a gun. I guess Chris would just shine the flashlight at the armed criminal and he would just drop his gun and surrender. What a concept ! Moron.

    • Betty

      WOW GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR AND SEE SOME SUNSHINE FOR A CHANGE. PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE THEY HAD NO WAY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. AN LED , YOU MUST HAVE HALF A BRAIN WITH THAT STATEMENT. STUPIDITY HAS BECOME CONTAGIOUS AND YOU ARE THE WORST I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.

    • Elwood

      Chris P, haven't you heard? When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns! Got it? There is no way under the sun that you will deprive all the outlaws of all their guns. Do you understand that? Good!

      • wildbronco

        There are according to the ATFE approximately 120 Legal Gun Owners in the United States. I often wonder just how people like Chris propose to disarm that many people when they out number the Military, and all of the Police forces combined. Does he think that they are going to line up like good little lemmings and surrender them to the Police like they did in Audstrailia, Nazi Germany, the Formr Soviet Union etc. Chris here in the United States the Shot Hurd around the world at Lexington and Concord was brought about by the attempt of a British Government trying to disarm the American People. General Howe ordered his troops to seize the Arms of the Militia, and you may ask who the Militia was, Sir it was the Whole People. The National Guard did not exist until the enactment of the Militia Act of 1913 and Signed by the first Progressive Presient of this Nation on January 29, 1913 his name was Woodrow Wilson who also state "They have rights who are willing to fight for them."

    • haroldson

      you are the only one who has mentioned happy to kill, I think you are a fool and would be one who would be screaming and looking for some one to come help, the fact is you have to be able to take care of you and your family, Call the t he police and hope they an get there in time to help. A gun is no worse or better then the man holding it .

    • Dennis

      Not happy to kill anyone at all Chris, but when it comes to some scum bag killing someone I love or is under My Protection, well I can live with that. I gave my OATH in 1969 to defend this Country from All Enemies, both Foriegn and Domestic, witih every last drop of my life's blood if need be. I was never asked to rescind that oath. I may have quit wearing that ugly green suit of clothes, but I still carry enough tools to put a hell of a dent into the Bad Intentions of those who would force evil upon My Corner of this World. We fought a war with the most powerful nation on earth in 1776 over God's Rights given freely to everyone. Among those rights we hold the Rights To Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness to be something that No Legislature can take away. It didn't go well for old George the Third, and I promise it won't go well for the next DESPOT that tries it either. America will not become the killing fields of Cambodia because some tinpot politician desires to put us into slavery. We are a Free People, and we will fight to keep that Freedom.

      • cathy777

        Kudos, Dennis ... and thank you SO MUCH for your service!

      • Robert K. Webb

        "Let it be written, let it be done"!

        Hand salute!

    • Old Man

      "You claim to be Christians but you are happy to kill your fellow humans". NO I CLAIM TO WANT TO LIVE SO I DON'T WANT SOME IDIOT TRYING TO KILL ME!!!!!!!

    • Capt. Norman

      Guns don't kill people......Cars don't drive drunk.......Pencils don't make mistakes

    • gene

      Chris...you're right, take away guns from citizens and fewer neighbors
      will be killed....but....then you become slaves to the powers that be
      that keep their guns...I suggest you go down a few articals below and
      read the reply that shows what happens when guns are taken from
      private citizens...I would suggest that since you are against guns, that
      you post a sign outside your door 'You are safe, I have no Guns' and
      at the same time, don't lock your doors, the crook might cut himself
      breaking the glass to come in...

    • Doug Rodrigues

      Chris P., you're funny and delusional. You've been listening and reading the anti-gun propaganda designed to get people fired up against guns, and nothing more. A gun has no mind of it's own. You can also be stabbed, clubbed, strangled, run over by a motor vehicle, poisoned, drown in swimming pool, held under in a bath tub, fall off high places, die from medical errors, die in a plane crash, etc., etc. There is no such thing as a perfect world, however, you can protect yourself from dangerous criminals by knowing how and when to use a gun. If you don't want that ability, that's just fine. I hope that some day you don't become a victim of a criminal preditor who just happens to see you as a target of opportunity. When you're on that telephone calling for the police, it's a toss of a coin whether or not the police can get to you before the criminal does. Good luck with that LED flashlight. People like me (ret. Law Enforcement) used to arrive to take the report AFTER the crime. Very often we'd say something like, "Too bad she didn't have a gun to blow that SOB away...did she have any family?"

    • Guest

      You are a RETARD....may you get mugged repeatedly

    • Walt

      When it comes down to a choice, I would rather kill him than be killed by him. Those that are not willing to defend themselves become willing victims. The world is full of them; and none of them are happy.

    • Wally Meeteer

      I'm sure that if you put your LED flashlight inside your left ear and turned it on, the light would shine thru to your right ear and out because of the empty cell that sits on top of your neck.

    • jd1958

      Chris it was the unarmed silly Jews that were herded into the gas chambers.
      it was the unarmed silly Russians that were rounded up and shot 20 million silly citizens.
      it was the unarmed silly Chinese that were rounded up and shot 40 million silly citizens.
      It was the unarmed silly Cambodians that wre rounded up and shot 2 million silly citizens.
      it was the unarmed silly Ugandans that were rounded up, chopped up and/or shot. 4 million silly citizens.
      it was the unarmed and silly Algerians that are being rounded up and shot because they want their own country.
      this one is still ongoing silly citizens.
      it is the silly "rational" people who trust the government, ANY government with their freedoms. Governments don't free people only crush and control.

      It is 80 million silly gun owing Americans that WONT allow this government to make us the above silly corpses.

      • RHSchumann

        You assume that in the USA our government will someday take away all guns. I am sorry to hear that you put our great Democracy on the same level with Hitler's Germany and Stal;in's Russia

        • VT Patriot

          Oh no, they would never do that. Obviously your friends over at huff&puff have assured you that all will be OK.. If we can just gget all the good folks to turn in their means for protection, we'll all be better off.
          Spend a few minutes, read some history, and you'll see that is EXACTLY what is happening..

        • Pleasepassthetea

          RHSchumann - The Obama administration is definitely reading the same playbook as Hitler and Stalin!! Are you in a coma?!!! These guys are fascists, fomenting riots and anarchy (Occupy Wall Street) in the hopes of ushering in a fascist regime in the same way that Hitler did in Germany or the Bolsheviks did in Russia. You need to read some history books and I DON'T mean the history books they ply in the public schools now, but real history books that give facts and figures, dates and events. Seriously, wake up RH. Your head is in the sand. Not a good profile, to borrow Raymond's imagery . . .

      • RSM61

        Right on!

    • Wade Charnock

      the commandment is to do no murder....not look the other way while your nation, community and family are raped because of gutless cowards who won't defend their families. Get a glue. Thou shalt do no murder...is the literal Hebrew to English Interpretation....do your homework before you speak...and also if you read the last two chapters of the Bible...guess who comes back and kicks the armies of the worlds butts????? Yep...Jesus...sucks to be those who oppose him...their eyes dry up in their sockets and their tongues melt in their mouths...the battle is over in just a few minutes according to Rev...go read it and see...

      Have faith in God and keep you powder dry....

      Wade in Maine

      • Joe

        Well said Wade. While folks are reading Revelation ( as they should do for themselves) I hope they finally learn what mode of transportation Jesus will be using when he returns. That might put an end to the what would Jesus drive ...etc.

    • Richard Holmes

      p You are truely an idiot. Criminals with guns wish to meet slug-brained dolts like you. It is so easy for them to listen to you plead that you are unarmed and you don't believe in guns. They will laugh at you, beat you, rob you and then shoot you.

    • Robert

      Tell that to the family's of the border Officers that tried to use BEAN BAGS not buckshot and were gunned down by Mexican Illegal's with drugs .
      When some one ,anyone tries to kill me or my family They give up the right to be called "my fellow humans" . Do you think that way about Hitler , Stalin , and other of YOUR " fellow Humans"

    • Chief

      Chris P. I hope you said that tongue in cheek just to get a rise, because if you did not, and you are married or have a relationship with a significant other and you are unwilling to even attempt to protect them if not yourself, then you are a drag on society. I hope I never have the misfortune to know you.

    • Tom

      WOW!! Have you ever read any history at all?

    • KHM

      @Chris P (6 hrs ago),
      Your condescending remark"you people and your silly guns" irked me. Gun owners are NOT paranoid or delusional. I guess you missed the whole point of the article that the Victim's mother came to his defense. Think back to the Ft. Hood massacre where the perp had a gun and loads of ammo, while the soldiers were unarmed. Thanks to a civilian policewoman who shot Maj. Hasan more people were not killed.
      Also look at the Hollywood elites who are so "ant-gun" yet have armed bodyguards, how hypocritical is that?
      Finally your comment about people claming to being happy to kill their fellow humans. No one who is Christian likes to take a life. Yet there are circumstances where it is necessary to defend one's own life. Why do libs have no problem with abortion (killing the unborn) yet fight to save the life of convicted murderers? Makes no sense at all

    • http://yahoo.com john the baptist

      Chris P. Have you ever been on the other end of the barrow in your face before? NO, I DIDN"T THINK SO, SO craw back into the hole you came out of and go back to sleep.

    • Speed

      Chris P;
      Your comment is just too stupid to even rate a reply.

    • DrJ

      I am neither paranoid or delusional, but I am not to sure about you Chis P. (is the "P" for Prissy?) I am willing to bet you that I can take my LED flashlight and crack you in the head and it will be a lethal blow, so much for your non lethal weapon. I have a hammer in my tool box, it has neither powder, nor charge, nor casing, nor bullet and in that state it is more lethal than my 1911 Model A when it is lacking the aforementioned items. Oh sorry Prissy, the 1911 Model A is a .45 cal handgun, in case you were unaware.

    • m.g.o'c.

      You !@#$%^& dummy. When the fools like you give up your Freedoms(2ndAmendment) , the governments do all the killing. You are too weak to understand that but just consult the history books. PEEBRAIN!!

    • Paul Rusch

      What the HELL is wrong with you ya twit? I and many, repeat many American's chose to defend our lives and those of our loved ones if necessary and even our friends if that ever becomes necessary.
      If you decide to just lay down and die when attacked, go right ahead, because then I won't have to worry about your weak silly worthless wimpy ass while I am helping to save those who truly deserve and appreciate it. You are a worthless waste of oxygen. Most liberals are. I have met some who believe in self defense and I respect them for that. But you................... Just shut up and go away you coward piece of dog hooey.

    • Richard

      Yes before they kill me,i am not the kind of person who turns the other cheek so someone can butcher me.I'll leave that to you phony people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck in the cold room at the morgue................

    • Charlie

      So they can get us first?

      Silly Stalinist liberal or fascist (whichever extreme of bad you are,) thinking is for everyone else.

    • RSM61

      Tell me Chris, how do you protect yourself from a couple of burglers with guns, or even knives or baseball bats-with a friggen flashlight? I've been robbed at knifepoint, gunpoint, had my home broken into twice, and my gun saved me EVERY time. I never had to fire a shot but the offenders stopped each time at the sight of it, thank God. So one day, when your time comes, I hope some magical power comes out of that flashlight the rest of us don't know about.

    • Robert E

      Cris, after reading two of your posts, I realize you are certifiable. You want everyone in the world to give up guns, weapons ? Let me know how you make out with that project.

      Christianity does allow for defense of yourself and your family and loved ones. Who said anything about " happy to kill " ??. Only you, pal.

      And, what the hey does an LED flashlight have to do with anything ?

      Off your meds, Chris ? Obviously, you or your loved ones have never been threatened. If someone, God forbid, ever attacks you with a gun, knife, or baseball bat, that LED flashlight will be a real lifesaver.

    • NavySubVetDave

      Chris Pee, you'll change your tune if/when you're confronted with a crazed addict bent on relieving you of you valuables! Whether we're paranoid and delusional is immaterial. It's a constitutional right to carry arms to protect us from the government if it should get so out of hand that we need protection from government. Sure times have changed but now, they're changing in the wrong direction where the government is to be feared. Vote early and often in 2012. ABBO!

    • peabody

      Go live your in fantasize world. But get out of here you Nazi. You make me want to chuck. I and many others would be dead If I did not Carry. Try facing down three armed thugs with a flashlight. I did many times but not with a flashlight . I hope you have to experience just once what I have many times! Oh then you can say to them go away I got flashlight . Or you can stand there and watch while your woman is raped. Oh I'm sorry your boyfriend. Because you are no bought a balls less queer .

    • Richard Walker

      Folks, it's like Ron White says... You just can't fix stupid.

    • DENNIS

      YOU ARE AN IDIOT!! YOU THINK THE CRIMINAL WILL NOT KILL YOU BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MORE GUNS? HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN KNIVES? BASEBALL BATS? CHAINS? MOST CRIMINALS ARE BIGGER THAN YOU,,, THEY WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF WEAPON, AND WILL BEAT OR SLICE YOU TO DEATH WITH OR WITHOUT A GUN.... KILLINGS HAVE SKYROCKETED IN ENGLAND SINCE GUNS WERE OUTLAWED. CRIMINALS IN PRISON WILL TELL YOU, IF THERE WERE NO GUNS IN HOMES, THEY WOULD ROB AND KILL EVEN MORE BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW YOU WOULD BE DEFENSELESS,,,, THE DEATH RATE FROM HOME INVASIONS WILL SKYROCKET IF THERE WERE NO GUNS, YOU IDIOT!! NOT TO MENTION RAPE AND BEATINGS,,,, CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK...

    • Angel

      Chris...read your bible. It is Biblical to defend your home. But you have to do it when you are in immediate danger otherwise it is considered vengeance and vengeance belongs to the Lord. Even Jesus told His disciples to go out and sell something and buy a sword. Yes, we ARE Christians and many of us follow the Bible....self defense included! Please get a clue. They completely destroyed our Bill of Rights and they use the Constitution for toilet paper. The framers knew that too much power would lead to tyranny and that is why they instituted the second amendment. To protect ourselves against tyranny of the government. I guess you have allot of research to do because it is plain to me that you don't know a thing.

    • gomer

      chris you are an IDIOT

    • Keith gilpatrick

      Chris,

      I hope for your sake you never need a gun to protect yourself or someone you love. Why would you care if I wish to exercise my constitutional rights and own a gun?

    • Dave

      Get a grip, man. The 2nd Amendment was put inplace for a REASON. The reason being that our Founding Fathers knew the dangers an unarmed society faced. It is called TYRANNY and we are facing this today...in The United States. A populace that cannot defend itself soon become slaves to their government. Speaking of which...haven't you noticed the errosion, however gradual, of our "rights" as defined in our Constitution? Freedom of Speech has almost been replaced by "political correctness". The Christian freedom of worship is being replaced, make that repressed, by our gov't 'lawmakers' who pander to the insanity of islam. Also, haven't you noticed that the more the citizens(legal, that is) of the U.S. try to start bringing back our rights under the Constitution the more and more heavy handed our current gov't is getting? Whether or not you believe in the 2nd Amendment is NOT an issue, but the issue IS do YOU believe in the freedoms we have been granted under our Constitution? I ask because if one falls they ALL fall.

    • Steve55

      I am a retired peace officer with 27 years of service. I carry a gun. States that have a high number of armed citizens have a MUCH lower crime rate. If this governement takes our guns away, we can become another Germany and march millions to their death.

  • Southern Jew

    The whole of the Gun Control plots were written and instituted by idiots and communist! If you want to go by statistics more crimes are performed in areas and States with the most gun control. And if you are worried about public safety...well then we need to disarm the police! Because accidental killings with firearms are 11 times greater involving police officers.

    As Thomas Jefferson said "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."

    • Eileen Pressler

      I had a friend who escaped from Hungary during the revollution so long ago. He said. that when the disarmed the citizens that was when it was all over. Of ocurse the govemint has the guns. Do not be stupid. Obama is looking to disarm us & incarcerate us AND declare martial law AND cancel our elections. Be ready.

      • Pleasepassthetea

        One hundred percent on the money Eileen. All of that rioting which Obama has bought and paid for is for the purpose of encouraging anarchy so that he can declare a state of martial law and begin the wholesale rounding up of "domestic terrorists." And guess who will be the "domestic terrorists" according to the Obama regime???? Just like in Nazi Germany, only this time the camps won't be reserved just for the Jewish population. It will include anyone who doesn't go along with Obama's particular brand of fascism.

  • vincent

    Raymond is spot on!

    I wish we had millions of Raymonds, and alot fewer Bloombergs!

  • Batwings

    An armed society is a polite society. Gun control means: All rounds in the Bullseye....

    • poacher

      hi batwings,
      is that a heinlein quote? he expressed that in "beyond this horizon." i always wondered if he was the origion.

    • Steve55

      I graduated from the school of hard knocks with a degree of MAGNUM COME LOUDLY.

  • Robert H. Goetz Sr

    Warren et.al. vs District of Columbia 1979 "The Police are under "NO OBLIGATION" to protect you as an individual citizen."

    • Charlie

      And that ruling, I think, is the root of the problems in modern police work. They are no longer protectors and peace officers, merely an authorized, badged thuggery with excellent armament.

      Not a good thing.

    • Bob

      Not only does the state of S.C. offer free ID's, they will pick you up and drive you home from the motor vehicle office to register. You couldn't have a more accommodating service if you don't have transportation.

  • AlwaysRIGHT

    In my state of Michigan, in order to exercise my constitutional right to bear arms, I had to take a $100 course, then pay a $115 application fee for a CCW permit. I think that's wrong. Particularly the $115 registration fee. And I have to retake the course and re-apply for the permit every 5 years. That puts legal gun ownership out of reach for many people. I can afford it, but it was hard to part with that kind of money and realize that I'd have to do it over and over, every five years for the rest of my life - if I want to exercise my right to carry a gun and protect myself.

    Yet, on a tangent note, I read that Holder sued SC for requiring that voters show ID in order to vote - on grounds that it's an undue burden on them to get off their asses and get a FREE ID. Yes, FREE. The difference in these two scenarios is simple - a gun in the hand of a legally responsible person is likely to kill a democrat voter whereas voter fraud is likely going to enable illegals to vote democrat and democrats to vote multiple times by claiming they are dead people and so on.

    • MLH

      If you have to pay anything, then it is not a RIGHT, only a granted privilege. ;))

      • IGotAComment

        Absolutely correct.

        And if it is granted ... it is not a right.

        There should be no 'paying' for the lawful citizen to own and carry a weapon for self protection or protection of their family.

    • CapitalistNature

      The Gun Store here in Las Vegas is giving free ccw classes! Even providing the ammo! all you need to do is come up with the application fee. They are true believers in the constitution.

    • Joe

      I'm laughing and you are spot on about this. I wonder how many zombie votes are going to turn up this time?

    • Paul Rusch

      Imagine that !! It is really amazing that this so called government of ours is that corrupt, ........ no wait, its not !!

    • NavySubVetDave

      Spot on AlwaysRIGHT! It's important to note that the registration FEE you speak of is in fact a TAX that WE THE PEOPLE have to pay, instituted by the supposedly benevolent Democrats who are supposed to be looking out for the poor and oppressed. I for one am sick and tired of being poor and oppressed!!!

    • ticktockoma

      You think that's a bad price to pay? I live in N.Y.C. can only get an on premise permit. License and finger prints cost $435.00 and have to re-apply for the permit every 2 years. Count your blessings.

  • James

    When I was a kid growing up in WV, I did not know anyone who did not own a gun. We did not go around shooting people, you knew that everyone else had a gun and you did not go looking for trouble. Now that all the communists in this country have moved into the state and want their idiotic ideas to become laws, we have all kinds of problems with people having guns. Only city slickers and yankee carpetbaggers are afraid of guns and want them taken away from honest hard working people. This world is very cold and now a days people will kill you for what you have, not being able to protect your life and what you have when you are minding your own business and sitting in your own home is totally insane. If you don't cross the line, then you won't get shot.

    • flyguy

      Hey james.
      I'm one of them "Yankee carpetbaggers" you refer to.
      Surprise!!! I'm also a staunch conservative, served in the USMC, am pro gun, have my share of weapons and add to your southern way of life. I've been called a "yankee" for too many years and I'm tired of it. So back off and consider that some of us will be right at your side and watching your back if & when it is needed.
      Semper Fi.

    • Harold Dean

      You can blame a lot of that on the education our children have been learning since 1958 when the social scientists gained control of our educational system and started infusing their socialist ideas on our children. Back then, if I walked out the door with my rifle no one noticed. Now, the neighbors would immediately begin screaming, He's got a gun, He's gong to kill someone. Just in that short of period of time, the perception of one who is armed has been forcibly changed by the socialists. At thirteen like most farm boys, I was given a three bladed pocket knife. Now if a thirteen year old farm boy showed up at school with one in his pocket with no evil intentions whatsoever, he would be expelled, jailed, counselled along with his other classmates about how wrong his views were and what a danger to society he was. In my opinion the only thing that did not change is that male animals are still in just as great of danger from that little three bladed knife as they were in my teen days. The express purpose of that third blade was to neuter pigs, goats, sheep, cattle, etc. Shame that they did not lump socialists in with that bunch, bu the instructions in the box made it plain it was intended for livestock use only.

      • Harold Dean

        Why must my comment be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly. There is nothing inflammatory, racist, threatening or anything else about it. Just a statement of changing times and perceptions were expressed. You admins need to get a life.

    • Robert K. Webb

      I live in Philly, PA but I'm from the country in VA. Until I moved here two years ago, I've always carried guns. My Glock 9mm stayed in my gun safe and my 30.06 hung on a gun rack in my living room. An empty chamber is like no money in the bank account-not worth nothing! So all my guns stayed LOCKED AND LOADED! My wallet was in my left back pocket, and my .25 automatic was in my right. In fact, on days I didn't carry it when a cop asked me why I had the impression of a pistol on my jeans, I'd tell him why. Cops don't seem to get it, that it's the law abiding citizens that are getting penalized by gun control, not the criminals who make a living disobeying the laws robbing and murdering innocent civilians. Maybe it's not the guns they want to control. I think it's WE THE PEOPLE they want to control!

    • armyvet

      James, I too grew up in rural Illinois where every home, including ours had several guns. It was a normal thing. We were taught to respect them and was taught safety. No "bad guys" ever broke into our homes, as they knew everyone had guns and knew how to use them. When drafted into the military during the Korean War, we rural boys already knew the basics of how to shoot accurately. I watched the city boys who'd never held a rifle and thought, "I sure wouldn't trust them to watch my back!"

    • John

      James you are right on. In fact I think insane may be too kind a word to describe these morons. Insanity infers they are not thinking with a fully capable mind. These folks are thinking with full sanity, at least in their own warped way. The police are never available to stop armed bandits or assailants because they cannot possibly be everywhere at once. Any honest officer will tell you that. These folks may be sane as sane can be, but are totally misguided and have listened to the Nancy Pelosi' School of brainwashing for too long. All I can say for those folks who want to take your guns is and I quote Bill Engvall " you can't fix stupid".

  • Wyatt

    An armed and responsible public is a safe public . They also treat eachother with deference and courtesy .

    • PJS

      One only needs to look at all the gun crimes committed in England if they want to see what happens to a weaponless citizenry.. Criminals are LAW BREAKERS and don't pay attention to anti-gun laws.

    • Dennis

      Proof of that is the fact that in the hay Days of the wild wild west that Murders in Dodge City amounted to no more than eight in a calander year. Not a lot of murders happen when you could get shot before you drew a breath for your evil ways by folks around you who don't happen to like Murderers, Theives and other doers of things Evil.

  • PastorMFred

    For the record Emmanual Cleaver is an ordained United Methodist minister.

    • Andrea B

      And yet he still lies like a rug.

      We must not forget all of those honorable priests in the Catholic religion, either...I guess if you 'claim' to be a priest or a Methodist minister, you're above the law and above morals.

      Emmanual Cleaver should go back to the church, and stay out of politics. He CAN teach others to avoid guns, but he CANNOT Constitutionally use legislation to take our gun rights away...but that's what he's trying to do.

      Ron Paul 2012

      • PJS

        The Methodists must be very embarassed.

        Any republican except ron paul.

      • PastorMFred

        This Methodist does not believe any one is above the "Law". "Thou shall not bear false witness"BlessingsRev. Fred Rister1801 Bolivar StDenton, Tx76201214-830-2008

    • James

      Jesse Jackson and his side-kick, Al Sharpton, are alleged ministers too. I have yet to hear just what church they preach in but they also promote gun control.

    • Wade C

      Yes and so was I and I think he is idiot United Methodist Minister.

      Wade in Maine

    • DrJ

      That does not stop him from being a Communist or a jerk, now does it?

    • Dennis

      We should pray for Reverend Emmanuel as he prays for forgiveness.

  • Manny

    I am a fearful person around guns but I'm happy my husband isn't and would use it to protect us from anyone that would try to harm us. They will always be bad people that want to hurt others and knowing people have guns is a deterrent to some that would try.

    • Bluedresser

      Manny - do yourself a favor and take a good defensive gun course. One I would recommend highly is the Frontsight.com course in Nevada. You will no longer be fearful around guns and will become proficient and comfortable around them. Both my wife and I have taken these courses and swear by them.

      • RSM61

        There are a lot of firearms courses you can take to get over that fear. The best way to do that is to start out with a .22 pistol and work up from there when your comfort level is met. I taught my sister using that method and now she LOVES to shoot. She keeps asking for another gun to shoot to see if she can handle it. Stay away from the 'quickly' in and out two or three hour courses, all they want is your money. Find one that lasts over a few day period, or find a friend or relative to show you. With persistence your fear will go away.

    • phyllis duval

      A gun will NOT hurt you. It will not jump up and shoot you. It only does what you make it. My advice is to take a class and learn that a gun is an inanimate object like a car or bicycle. More power to you in getting over your fear of an inanimate object.

      • John

        Very well said!

    • Danny

      Let your husband teach you safety and rule's. Then the gun become's your best friend. I will never be without one on my person. It has saved my life by the mere presence of it. Diffused a situation on sight.. But training is very important, a weapon is useless unless you can master it and your mentality to deal with a split second situation. Mental training first , then the weapon training. You must master both.

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    China established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

    With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

    During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

    • Brandon

      stealing this and posting on my FB page... love it... thanks

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        :-)

    • John

      Wow! Your sense of logic and history are spot on, but I'm afraid that you used too much history and logic on most liberals who usually do not respond well to facts and the truth. They get so upset that their singing of "Kumbahya" gets way off-key.

      • http://www.drbilllemoineandassociates.com DrBillLemoine

        You are talking about America--not totalitarian, fascist, communist countries of yesteryear. You're talking about the wild west of yesteryear--not modern America. The KKK had guns and ropes--they are gone under the rule of law. The white supremacists and militants had guns--they're gone too. In the 18th century and part of the 19th, individuals faced lawless areas and people moving westward--not now. I learned to shoot as a boy and know it hasn't solved any problems for me in a long lifetime career in public and private urban, suburban and rural living in many states. What is your fixation on guns to solve problems--insecurity, fear, inadequate emotional development, too much media violence, what? Play with your guns target practicing or hunting--just observe all normal safety rules around others, especially family and friends. Even prominent Dick Cheney wasn't careful enough.

        • http://www.chick.com Raymond

          Hey Bill,
          do you still that "I ♥ Obama" sticker on your vehicle??

        • http://www.drbilllemoineandassociates.com DrBillLemoine

          Yes, and it represents personal freedom, fair taxation, voter rights, educational growth, healthcare for all, world leadership and much more the conservatives don't support.

        • DrJ

          Hey Bill are you getting to near the anesthesia gases in the OR ; or just writing scripts for benzos you can take to keep you in Obummer Ville?

        • John

          Dr. Bill, you forgot about the law! The is one thing Obama has no respect for. If he did he would stop legislating from the oval office and let Congress do the job they were elected to do...write law? Or is that beyond your comprehension?

        • PJS

          What did you get your PhD in? Stupidity?
          Ah, probably women's studies or something along those lines. Certainly NOT anything that required intelligence OR critical thinking and reasoning.
          Somehow I doubt you ever learned to "shoot" anything besides your mouth and the waste water disposal system your body came equipped with.

        • CapitalistNature

          He got his PhD in perfecting the intelligence inhibiting "Kool Aid" they give their Liberal subjects. He's a shill for the gun grabber crowd.

        • http://www.drbilllemoineandassociates.com DrBillLemoine

          Just don't come within a hundred yards of me as a threat--I'm a dead shot within; and can hit a moving target as well.

        • DrJ

          Is a dead shot an idiot that was shot trying to get his gun lock off before he could defend himself but was to late?

        • John

          Honestly Bill...I'd bet you couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a snow shovel.

        • http://www.drbilllemoineandassociates.com DrBillLemoine

          My shooting's a lot straighter toward intelligent argument, agape love, and salient evidence than yours.

        • Pleasepassthetea

          Haven't seen any of your intelligent argument or salient evidence yet -

        • DrJ

          Agape or a grape drink such as kool aid or wine? Probably wine, you seem three sheets to the wind.

        • sidewinderaz

          Do your homework "Bill". Raymond's facts are undeniable. I guess you haven't been keeping up with current events since 9/11/2001 when our liberties began being stripped away at an alarming rate.
          So, where did you get the idea that we are not a totalitarian, facist leaning dictatorship? Did you bother to read any of the US Constitution when you earned that degree?
          What makes you think we're any safer now than we were in the 18th, 19th and 20th century? Did criminals suddenly stop committing crimes?
          My only insecurity is there are too many people who live their lives with their heads in the sand. But you should be aware of what part of your anatomy is exposed when you take that posture.
          Play with my guns? How completely ignorant you are. The gun isn't a toy, it's a tool and like any tool it needs to be practiced with to be proficient. Most gun owners practice firearm safety contrary to your implied "big brotherly" advice maybe you should go to the target range once or twice a year and see what goes on there.

        • http://www.drbilllemoineandassociates.com DrBillLemoine

          Raymond's historic facts are irrelevant to my personal freedom, safety and social awareness. You are right about losing personal freedoms as religious zealots limiting women's healthcare and reproductive rights, children's rights, extralegal detention, warrantless wiretaps. We had a dictatorship till 2008--notice Bush2/Cheney can't leave the country or be arrested for war crimes?
          Unless you're hunting to feed yourself in the backwoods, your gun is unnecessaary and a threat to yourself and others. How many people have unprotectted guns stolen by criminals? No your arguments revert to the 18th and 19th centuries when they were tools. Today you're just playing with a gun outside of the military, unless you really would shoot someone--we'll never know will we...?

        • Pleasepassthetea

          Okay, after that rant I'm certain your Phd is bogus. I was highly suspicious before but now I'm sure. Honestly, liberals will stoop to the lowest levels to try to convince people that they have something meaningful to say . . . .

        • DrJ

          Billy, Billy, Billy, people who refuse to learn from history are bound to repeat it. I guess you are not a history PhD.

        • Charlie

          Doctor, I speak to you as an Armenian-American. Now knowing this part of the Turkish acts of violence against my people, the Assyrians and the Pontic Greeks, I can honestly say that better-armed citizenry would, while probably not have stopped the Genocides, might have enabled some resistance and perhaps allowed more people, especially women and children, many of whom were actually killed FIRST, to escape to safety.

          If you want a book that will make you stop and think, please read "Not Even My Name" by Thea Halo, which tells the story of a young Pontic Greek girl who escaped barbarous force.

          I think everyone here should read it- seriously, it will really make you more human. If you're not crying, even a little bit, at the end, you're stone.

          Perhaps guns would've contained madmen like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.

          I don't like guns- at all, nor can I shoot to save my own life, I lack the eye-hand coordination to use one safely, but I'd rather be around a group of people that can and will help me defend myself and my family then to be overrun by thugs for any reason.

          I understand your points, and may, even to a point, agree with some of them, but I also believe, strongly, that firearms, owned by law-abiding, otherwise peaceable citizens are just as vital to protecting liberty as repealing or re-writing some of the laws you cite, such as warrantless wiretaps.

        • Pleasepassthetea

          We are talking about an America that is hurtling at light speed towards fascism. Obama already behaves like a dictator, ruling by executive fiat. By the way, the KKK is NOT gone, nor are the supremacists and militants. Perhaps they aren't as visible, but they are most certainly still alive and well. To think otherwise is supremely naive on your part. Haven't you heard about the Black Panther goons who prevented white voters (Pennsylvania I believe) from voting in the last presidential election?!! To say that they were militant would be an understatement. And that's just one example. As for your contention that Americans don't face lawless areas in 21st century America, I would point out the southwest border States and specific areas of most major cities. History is there for us to learn from if we are wise. Ignoring the truths that history teaches us condemns us to future victimization. That list of problems - insecurity, fear, inadequate emotional development - is your own projection. I'm not insecure or fearful at all as my husband has a cabinet full of guns and he knows how to use them! Any criminal who would try to invade our home would do so at their own peril . If I were you I would avoid all of that media violence you referenced. I think it has made you paranoid.

        • http://www.drbilllemoineandassociates.com DrBillLemoine

          Fascism, since 2000 and a stolen election, fostered by FL Republicans and majority Republican Supreme Courts in FL and the US. When the obstructionist TEA minority members of congress control the majority and coopt the Senate, the standard procedure is Executive Orders till congress gets going--not fascist at all. The true fascists are in WI, MI, FL, AZ. Bait and switch from jobs to union bashing--Walker; removing elected boards and officials--Snyder; suppressing voting--Scott; eliminating organ donors--Brewer. Like Birchers of old, all hate groups can operate sub rosa, but they vote and write comments.

          Border areas aren't lawless. This president sent 26,000 officers to patrol. It's across the border that's lawless--don't be careless about your facts.

          How are you a victim requiring a gun, giving up your freedoms and rights? Your dependence on guns for security is overblown. This isn't the wild west or middle east lawless states. I'm responding to schizo comments, not a party to the problem.

        • DrJ

          Settle down Billy, no more energy drinks for you. Hope you can survive on what Obummer Care wants to pay us. I can't - I am going to retire.

        • Pleasepassthetea

          You have a hard time with the facts Mr. Bill. The fact of the matter is that the Democrats were smacked down by the electorate in 2010 because they were operating outside the bounds of the Constitution. They crammed Obamacare down the throats of the American people with legislative machinations that only a self-respecting communist would understand. Let's see if I can remember the exact wording of the Democrat controlled House and Senate. Ah yes, it was DEEMED to have been passed because they didn't have the votes to pass it outright, even AFTER the cornhusker kickback and similar bribes to other Democrat legislators. Then of course there are the myriad agency czars passing their myriad unconstitutional regulations, further robbing the American people of their liberties each and every day. What did Obama say just the other day? If the Congress wouldn't do what he wanted, he would just find another way to get done what he wanted done. He should be arrested and tried for treason along with his administration and many members of Congress. The people spoke loud and clear in November 2010 Mr. Bill. You just don't like what they had to say. But the fact of the matter is that an overwhelming majority of Americans are hard-working, God-fearing and ascribe to a limited, decentralized government as established by the founding fathers. You're the one being careless with the facts Mr. Bill. I don't know where you get your so-called information, but there is a MAJOR problem with violence in the southern border states due to the lack of border security. Illegal immigrants and mexican drug cartels are wreaking havoc in those states. Does Fast and Furious ring a bell? That didn't happen across the border Mr. Bill; that happened under the direction of Eric Holder's Justice Department. You don't know what you're talking about and your ignorance makes you a huge part of the problem.

    • wayne74467

      Careful, Raymond, you'll cause Chrissy to wet his pants.

    • Steve

      Raymond...thanks for the history lesson...and maybe I'm a little slow to realize a looming fact. Not only is gun control designed to control the masses which helps to easily identify the disidents and round them up for extermination....But for the sole purpose of Population Conrol(and to scapegoat)...then there will be less people to oppose the dictators, less to feed and a horrific way keep the survivors in line. Conclusion: Marxism, Communism, Liberalism, Radical Islam, Obamaism and anything Anti-US Constitution is a throwback to the Middle Ages.

    • Ginger

      BINGO.. And you will never hear those statistics from the lame stream leftist media.. you can bet they have theirs though..laws are only for the "subjects" of the government.

    • TheOtherWhiteMeat

      You da man, Raymond!

    • RHSchumann

      You assume that in the USA our government will someday take away all guns.
      You certainly have little faith in the greatest Democracy in the world.
      Concerning Germany, where I lived for a while, do you really believe that the Jews could have prevented the Holocaust had they guns?

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        RH,
        are you learning impaired?

      • Wade C

        Absolutely...look how bravely the fought in 1948 with the guns they got from America among other places to win and set up the Modern Nation of Israel! and they are still there aren't they???? Hello....Get a clue.

      • Pleasepassthetea

        To RHSchumann - If there were more Jews than non-Jews in Germany then, yes, I believe they could have defended themselves against a Holocaust. I don't know what percentage of the population the Jews represented in Germany at that time. At any rate, it was guns, tanks and bombs (and I believe God's will) which freed the remaining Jews and there's NO doubt about that. Don't forget that, after wandering for 40 years in the desert, God told the Israelites to take Canaan by force, instructing them to KILL every man, woman, child and beast and to leave NOTHING left alive, the Canaanites being the personification of evil and godlessness.

    • Wade C

      Amen.............Amen...Retired US Navy Aircrew...ready and able to defend my nation, my home and my family

      Wade in Maine

      • http://www.chick.com Raymond

        Hi Wade C,
        America is going down the toilet,
        the fact that we have a Jew hating, America hating
        muslim sitting in the white house is proof
        of that. Please remember, even if Obama leaves
        office the scum that put him there will still be among us.

        • DrJ

          Now that is true and scary. God save my children!

    • http://scarletpimperneltokra.me.uk/elizasays/ Ileana Eliza Paunica

      Me too.I shall steal this and post on my FB account. God bless! It's priceless.

      Jolinar of MalkShur, avatar of Ileana Eliza Paunica

    • Liberty

      Thank you Raymond.........................................now, if only the brain washed will consider the information in your post.

      Semper Fi

    • DrJ

      We need a 100 million Raymonds and we would have our country back!!!!!!!!!! Raymond as one Viet Nam Vet to another THANK YOU for you service. Most of the people now-a -days do not know what you sacrificed for their govenment check grabbing asses.

    • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

      That's about as stupid of a remark that has been made on this generally moronic site. Most experts estimated that if they won the Battle of Midway, they could have invaded the US and have gotten to Chicago before being stopped.

      • John

        Yes sir Mr. Funkel! One small problem with your logic...they didn't win at Midway did they? Now who's stupid?

      • DrJ

        Say there Funky, would those experts been liberal, afraid of guns idiots, they certainly were not made of the stuff that ran through the veins of the men on any beach in France or any island or atoll in the Pacific that was stormed by our men in uniform. You are an embarrassment like your president.

  • vincent

    Wondering why Chris P doesn't move his butt to a country that has strict gun control. Start packing oh clueless one!

    • cowgirl

      I am wondering that myself. You try and explain something to him and he just doesn't get it.

      • Marian Bostwick

        I have always had guns in my adult household. Old revolvers and a 22 rifle that my husband brought to the marriage. When our kids were little, we went camping a lot, and we would -OF COARSE- take the guns with us - I would buy a few over ripe melons of different sizes and colors, and show the kids (safely, duh...) what a gun actually does to the target of the bullet that is surely going to hit the target that Mom aims at. So, we had rules, rules were followed just because we were a regular happy family, one rule was that you NEVER CLIMB IN A WINDOW OR "DO A PRACTICAL JOKE" on Mom & Dad and hide in the shadows outside and pretend to break in - Stuff like that that would have possibly gotten them shot. If someone is coming into my house while I am there, and a criminal knows when a house is empty, well, he's comin' there to hurt me. Well, I am not getting hurt. He is getting dead. Also, there was NEVER ONCE ANY KIND OF "GAME " in this home that portrayed a human person getting shot or whatever kind of kill these freaks show when it says 'KILLED' where the human just pops back on up!! Obtuse is what that is. Grey matter scrambled. There is life all over outside in the world. Don't limit knowledge to a fantasy that couldn't be further from life itself. Weapons of protection "obviously" have to be safeguarded and the young people in the household must be taught to respect and understand what it is and what it means. Mind your parents. My kids ALL MINDED ME, I DO OT ARGUE WITH CHILDREN, AND THEY LIVED IN CHILDHOOD BLISS' They are not morons, children. Guns have been around a loooonng time. I will always own a gun.

    • Marian Bostwick

      Please represent your position, important position, speaking proper English. It is American Laws we are here to uphold. Thanks.

  • Southern Jew

    I will quote Thomas Jefferson (Taken from a plaque at VMI remembering Nathan Jefferson, one of the VMI cadets killed in the Civil war, grandson of Thomas Jefferson) “The power of liberty can only be realized by a people who comprehend and participate in its function, the freedom that it affords us has to be met with an equal measure of responsibility.”

    Being armed and carrying my weapon is an essential part of what Thomas Jefferson quoted here! In fact in the early years of our nation ALL able bodied citizens were required in many states to report to the local militia! Ages 15-40 for drill and to be familiar with the formation and defense of the local population! They did not depend on the feds!

  • Heyoka

    Wher I live we have very good gun laws and the COnstitution of the State states that the "people" will never be disarmed. We carry without concealed carry permitts leaglly.

    I shoot at the police range because we work together on firearms training. We have visiting instructors that come every year and we are all shooting together like a polite community should. This is how it works. It is not us and them or you have it all wrong. If you have a shooting club invite the police to come and give talks on gun safety and encourage firearm education. Make it a community effort and an outreach to the police.

    Everytime we breakdown an "us and the" mentality by supplying an alternative perspective we win a battle. Even if is just one officer in the begining it will get around and it will soften the hardness of the mental state. Remember they are citizens too. I would surely want them on my side than against me. this is how we win, respect given is usually respect given.

  • Zermoid

    Every Honest Citizen Should be Armed. Even to the point of requiring it, as in most groups of people I believe the majority will do the right thing. And which will quickly weed out those who do not do the right thing. Problem solved.

  • h k wall

    Raymond

    Amen

  • joev

    I own firearms and have a permit to carry. I like the mother of the young man wouldn't hesitate to inflict lead poisoning on a perpetrator who threatens life. It is a simple rule to follow yet the gun control lamers just don't get it.

  • Dante

    Well put Raymond!

  • [email protected]

    The Feedom in the ferst ammendment !!!!!

  • cowgirl

    Chris P, your not very bright. Do you really think that if there is a gun ban that all of the criminals will hand over their guns??? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I'll keep my guns, all 14 of them. I'm not paranoid or scared of anything (except for tornadoes), and that is because we have 14 guns and know how to use them. We and our property is very well protected.

  • toogood61

    I carry concealed because it is my right to defend myself. You never know when some idiot will want to try to kill you for no reason, just yesterday a park ranger was killed by a dirt bag in WA because he had a bad day. I don't know if this park ranger was armed because not all carry since they aren't all law enforcement officers. It is sad none the less, there is a husband that lost a wife and children who have lost their mom. I am not a paranoid freak, I just want to be prepared! The more people that carry and surprise an attacker the better our society will be. I have no problem with a dirt bag taking an extended dirt nap, better him than me or another innocent victim! I'm not a gun nut, I was taught to respect and use a gun properly, I don't go around showing my gun in public because it can intimidate some people. I have been trained by several different fire arms instructors to use a gun safely. The state of CO also made me demonstrate to them that I can handle a gun. That in itself should be enough for people to realize that I'm not the threat. However that doesn't give a person that is scared of guns the right to think that all gun owners are irresponsible.

  • julian

    Sometimes the truth is stranger then fiction, but many gun control people want us to believe fiction. FACTS: gun control laws do not stop our attourney general from buying guns with our tax money and giving them to known criminals. In Chicago gun crime went up with gun control and down without it. In Austrailia gun crime went up with gun control. In England if you defend yourself when the police have repeatedly failed to you are in more trouble than the perpetrator. I don't think you will find any practicing criminals that are not for gun control.

    • Harold Dean

      You are talking about our presently elected practicing criminals aren't you?

  • http://yahoo.com Thomas M

    America is a much better place because another law breaking sob is dead and thank God the victim was not killed.
    God bless that mother and I'm glad she owned a gun to defend herself and family too.

  • Old geezer

    Unfortunately, the guns will never be gone in this society. If civilian ownership is legislated out of existence, the criminals will still have guns, and also (SCARY) the government!

  • http://[email protected] Ol' Dave

    Lyrics from an old country hit song:

    When they really get together there's a lot of fun….

    They all know the other fella packs a gun…

    Everybody does his best to act just right….

    Cause there's gonna be a funeral if you start a fight….

    What part of "Everybody does his best to act just right" don't you understand?

  • Robert Ridge

    Any one that does not have a gun in their home could care less about their love ones /

    • Liberty

      No Robert, the people who won't take responsibility to own a gun for their faimily's protection, expect those of us who do, to help protect them; while we are burdened with all the costs and liability that goes along with that personal responsibility. We gunowners are the Sheep Dog, protecting the sheeple.

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Firearms stand next in importance to the United States Constitution
    itself. They are the American peoples liberty teeth and keystone under
    independence......from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day,
    events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security
    and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. The very
    atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference. They
    deserve a place with all that's good.

    George Washington - First President of the United States.

    • RHSchumann

      And that is why the USA has the highest murder rate of any civilized country, ten times as high per capita than Canada.

      • Pleasepassthetea

        RH that is just a silly inference. Guns are inanimate objects. Murder is in the heart and if someone is hell-bent on murder, they will make it happen whether it's a gun, a knife, a bat, a pair of scissors, a pillow, poison the list is fairly endless if you think about it. So should we ban ownership of knives, baseball bats or any other blunt object, scissors, pillows, cleaning agents????? Seriously, your argument is sophomoric -

      • Robert

        You had better check you numbers . Of course if you are basing the term "civilized " on Canada that could be the problem .
        What Country in the civilized world has the lowest crime , never been invaded , has one of the highest standard of living. has the highest number of Guns and Gun ranges per person in the world . Switzerland , every man goes to basic training and then takes all his weapons home with him . They give their people Ammunition just so they can go to the range .

  • http://www.missiontoisrael.org TedRWeiland

    We are at the very beginning of what perhaps is the most significant paradigm shift in America's history (besides perhaps the 17th-century Puritans establishing their Colonial governments upon Yahweh's law). America is beginning to recognize her national idol that like Gideon of old must be repented of before we can regain Christian dominion of our nation. Our darkest hour will prove to be our brightest moment. I offer as proof a radio interview Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America, conducted with me on December 17, 2011 regarding this very issue. It was aired on on some stations on Saturday, December 31 and other stations will be broadcasting it this and next week. It will be archived on both Gun Owner's of America's site at http://gunowners.org/radio.htm and our site at <a href="http://www.missiontoisrael.org" target="_blank">www.missiontoisrael.org in the next couple of weeks. I hope you will tune in.

    See "Firearms: Scripturally Defended" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/firearm-right.php for Biblical authority for the *responsibility* to bear arms in defense of others, our families, and ourselves.

  • cowgirl

    I'm not sure why my posts are not being posted, but I am just wanting to say that Raymond is right on and Chris P is an idiot. He just doesn't get it. He needs to move to a Country that has total gun control and then he can live happily ever after just waiting for some thug to come in and kill him and/or his family.

  • DoctorBob

    I am fortunate to have grown up prior to the 1968 gun (owner) control act. (Thank you, Ted Kennedy, you stupid idiot!) My father took me out when I was 8 years old and taught me how to shoot. By the time I was 10, I could handle a gun with perfect safety. I served in the military for 9 years with honor, and without incident. I have always felt much safer having a gun at hand, knowing I could handle the rare - but life-disruptive - threat of an armed criminal. And, i've never shot anyone in my life, thank God. BUT... years ago I had an unfaithful wife who got pregnant by a cop boyfriend (thanks for protecting and serving there, buddy!), and they decided to frame me as a drug dealer and put me away for life because they feared I might retaliate. The cop boyfriend knew exactly what to say, and of course courts will accept the word of a cop over a defendant. I had a poor lawyer, and while he kept me out of prison, I did pick up a single felony conviction. BINGO! No more gun ownership for me! But, is my life worth any less? I have remarried and have a new family. Am I not entitled to protect and defend them? I simply can not accept that a non-violent "criminal" with one, single conviction and an otherwise exemplary life should suddenly be denied 2nd Amendment rights for life. I still enjoy all other Constitutional rights, but not gun ownership. Clearly the 1968 gun control act is unconstitutional. Yet, the Supreme Court has systematically refused to hear a case involving this freedom-denying act, and won't risk the wrath of the insane left if they overturn it. Yet, until it is overturned, and ALL citizens are indeed treated equally, we do not live in a free country. While you may not agree with me on this point, you are watching ALL your Constitutional rights stripped from you by the left, one by one. The NDAA, which Obama just signed into law, strips you of 4th Amendment rights. Of course, the 10th Amendment went out the door long ago, allowing for Federal interference in all aspects of our lives, right down to our light bulbs. How long before ALL Constitutional rights are taken from ALL of us? It's coming people. WAKE UP! Our beautiful country is being stolen out from under us by leftists with an agenda of TOTAL CONTROL over ALL of us.

    • CapitalistNature

      22s do a lot more damage than you think. You might opt going for a 9mm. Its much more humane to shoot someone with a 9mm than a 22. God forbid if I had to get shot and had a choice of round to get shot with, I'd definitely choose the 9mm for the quick death than get shot with the 22 and suffer a slow death or die from the surgery trying to find and remove the 22 projectile from my body.

    • Doctor Coins

      Doctor Bob, I completely understand. My Ex was screwing the attorney (son of a Federal judge) she worked for. They went back six years to get me chaarged with failing to report an asset in a bankruptcy, the assest - her engagement ring- retail value over $15,000-BINGO high enough for a felony (wholesale would have not made much of a misdermeanor). I got a one count of incorrect information on ferderal form, 21months plus a fine. The judge had me sent to a Penitentiary, you should know what they do to short timers there, they kill them. Well, I sent a letter to my Congressman and he had me transfered to a camp. So I am alive and in the same boat as you. However, I found out that G. Gordon Liddy was a guest of the government and he said "I did not own any guns, but Mrs. Liddy owns quite a few". Not bad advice, if you get my drift Bob.

  • Steve Rhinehart

    I carry a gun most of the time. I carry a 22 becouse I dont want to kill anyone but it will punch a hole in flesh and that is a detuerant. also it is easy to conceal so I dont freek out Demecrats.

    • PJS

      Too small to be of much use except on rabbits and squirrels. A real berserker could take several 22 hits and keep on coming, think of it like trying to kill a bear with a BB gun and you have your 22.

      • Harold Dean

        Depends entirely where you hit him. I still maintain after years of experience and practice that a couple of 22 hollow point high speed slugs in the proper place will bring down most anything. Years ago they taught us marksmanship along with gun safety and knowledge. Todays movies glorify the idiot with the AK hosing the area down with semiauto fire. He can be taken down with a double tap in the right place with that little old 22.

        • Robert

          Tell that to the LA cops that could not get it done with their service weapons and had to ask a gun shop for help .
          22's are better than a 25 apc but so are some Airguns.
          Leave the 22 at home.

      • Robert

        Dumb Rhinehart . NEVER CARRY A GUN IF YOU DO NOT MEAN TO USE IT ! Rule #1
        Rule# 2 IF YOU SHOOT SOMEONE OR THING YOU HAD BETTER MEAN TO KILL !
        If you can not fallow these simple rules don't carry .

    • traveler

      If the aggressor is wearing a heavy coat or leather penetration will not get to the flesh and the aggressor will fell like superman.

      • Harold Dean

        You obviously have not been firing a 22. Maybe if you were firing a cb cap round, but even that would penetrate clothing or leather at close range. Our range master just loves to demonstrate to the unbelievers with his little old 22 crack shot rifle with the minimages when the enter a metal gi gas can full of water and exit the other side tearing a very large hole as they go through. Very effective demonstration after I first showed it to him and made a believer out of him.

        • John

          Your information is entertaining however I'll stick with my 44 mag...That will penetrate most anything without worry.

        • Robert

          I have fired almost every caliber you can think of . From a custom .12 to a 600 express . You are right that if you place the shot a 22 can and will kill . That's great on gas cans they don't shoot back . When in a fire fight 99.9999% of people will not be cool and collected this means that the shot placement will most likely not be all that good.
          I teach my students to use the largest caliber that they can control and shoot well ALL THE TIME. Nothing smaller than a .380 APC as a primary weapon , and no hallow Points if it is a cold climate .

    • CapitalistNature

      22s do a lot more damage than you think. You might opt going for a 9mm. Its much more humane to shoot someone with a 9mm than a 22. God forbid if I had to get shot and had a choice of round to get shot with, I'd definitely choose the 9mm for the quick death than get shot with the 22 and suffer a slow death or die from the surgery trying to find and remove the 22 projectile from my body

      • Robert

        I don't like the 9mm nothing under a .40 for me . My carry is a Colt Defender .45 APC . The only one I like better is a .41 AE but the ammo is hard to find .
        Hunting I use a .41mag ,it will do almost anything a .44 will but with less recoil .

  • Insurgent

    Cleaver is another whinning chigger who plays the race card trick to the eenth degree and this crap gets old in a hurry.

    The price America continues to pay for the southern plantation owners buying slaves is astronomical and growing greater everyday.

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    The gun lobby lands on mushier ground, however, when it leaps from such / examples into a far broader argument: that more lives are saved than lost by the firearms Americans acquire to protect themselves and their property. The N.R.A. emphasized that claim in a two-page newspaper advertisement attacking TIME for its report ((July 17)) on 464 gun deaths that occurred in the U.S. in a single week, chosen at random. "Legally-owned firearms saved the lives of far more Americans than those lost during ((TIME's)) 'seven deadly days,' " the advertisement stated. "According to noted criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck of Florida State University, every year some 650,000 Americans use firearms to thwart criminal assault. That's 12,500 a week."

    Even Paul Blackman, research coordinator for the N.R.A., concedes that the advertisement "stretches the data." He adds, "I don't know of any criminological study that has tried to quantify the number of lives saved based on the number of guns that were successfully used for protection."

    Kleck says his study did not consider the question of lives saved. Nor did he conclude, as the N.R.A. claims, that a crime or an assault had been "thwarted" in each of his estimated 645,000 (the ad upped it to 650,000) annual instances of a protective use of a gun. Kleck notes that his study may have included incidents in which a homeowner merely heard noisy youths outside his house, then shouted, "Hey, I've got a gun!" and never saw any possible attacker.

    Still, Kleck estimates that an assailant or the defender actually fired a handgun in nearly half the cases. If so, 322,000 incidents each year involved great danger, and the potential victims credited their guns with protecting them. That is about ten times the number who die from guns annually in the U.S. "It is possible that guns save more lives than they cost," Kleck says.
    His numbers are based on a 1981 poll conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates. It asked 1,228 U.S. voters whether in the previous five years any member of their household had "used a handgun, even if it was not fired, for self-protection or for the protection of property." Roughly 4% (about 50 people) said they had done so. Projecting that percentage onto the number of U.S. households in the five years covered by the poll (1976-81), Kleck came up with the estimate that handguns had been used protectively 3,224,880 times, or 645,000 a year. Comparing that with surveys that included rifles and shotguns, he estimated that all types of guns are used defensively about a million times a year.
    Is his analysis valid? "I certainly don't feel very comfortable with the way he's used the data," says Hart Research president Geoffrey Garin. While Kleck based his findings on the Hart survey, his analysis of the circumstances under which guns were used came from other studies. Protests Garin: "We don't know anything about the nature of the instances people were reporting." Says William Eastman, president of the California Chiefs of Police Association, about the Kleck conclusions: "It annoys the hell out of me. There's no basis for that data."

    Part I - Time Magazine

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      These numbers are likely much lower than actual. Here's why: If you brandish your concealed weapon, it can turn into a felony very quickly; so to have to face a court and defend yourself, you risk the loss of your freedom, the loss of your weapon and the loss of your ability to legally own a weapon EVER AGAIN if you are found guilty (which by the way is a high likelihood considering the courts these days).

      If I used my sidearm to defend/ fend off an attack, and no shots were fired, I would not report the incident. The down side risk is just too high these days. I simply can not trust a court to do justice today.

      Unless and until our governments across the US get the 2nd amendment right, I will not report any use of my weapon unless shots are fired against a perp. And even then if no property damage or witnesses are present, samo samo: no report.

      • Harold Dean

        I agree wholeheartedly with you. During my time as a temporary resident in Chicago, the four times that an attempted assault on my person over a three year span occurred and was halted by the display of my firearm (illegal in Chicago and certainly could not be reported) was proof positive to me that had I not had it, I would have been, car jacked, knocked in the head, severely injured or killed. In all cases the subject was a young black male and this is a statement of fact and not a racist comment.

        • GQ4U

          Supreme Court cases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Center_to_Prev...
          U.S. Supreme Court rulings in 2008 and 2010 have affirmed the right of citizens to own and use firearms in their homes for self-defense. District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) ruled that the Second Amendment was an individual (rather than collective) right, like the rest of the Bill of Rights. McDonald v. Chicago (2010) ruled that the Second Amendment was incorporated against the states under the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and struck down a Chicago ordinance banning handguns. In both cases the Brady Campaign stated they were worried a decrease in government regulation of firearms would result in more gun deaths and gun violence.
          (CDC Task Force Report, demonstrates gun bans laws have no effect, Brady Campaign worries are unfounded; see below)

          CDC Task Force: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2...
          During 2000-2002, a Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes. Although firearms related injuries in the United States have declined since 1993, they remained the second leading cause of injury mortality in 2000, (1). Of 28,663 firearms-related deaths in 2000 --- an average of 79 per day---16,586 (57.9%) were suicides, 10,801 (37.7%) were homicides, 776 (2.7%) were unintentional, and an additional 500 (1.7%) were legal interventions. Results of studies on bans on specific firearms and ammunition were inconsistent, certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases.
          http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx... http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx...

          Murder rate per 100,000 population 1991-2010:
          Year Murder
          1991 9.8 ---- per 100,000 population.
          2010 4.8 ---- per 100,000 population
          Trend, 20-years <-47%> (Interestingly, more & more states & courts restored gun rights. Strange how all violent crime went down, after those changes. GQ4U)

          Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the National Institutes of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun control reduces crime.
          Over the last quarter-century, many federal, state and local gun control laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive. There are now 40 Right-to-Carry states, an all-time high, up from 10 in 1987.

          (It seems that violent crimes have gone down as our Constitutional RIGHTS to bear arms, are restored. GQ4U)

          BLACK ON BLACK CRIME STATISTICS: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&am...
          Blacks account for 13% of the U.S. population, but were victims of nearly half, about 8,000, homicides in 2005.
          http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html
          Statistics alone, show that blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 51.2% of the murders, this indicates that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of murders.
          43% of all murder victims in 2007 were African American, 93.1% of whom were killed were African Americans.
          (Find the societal, religious, moral solution to what haunts the Black community to bring the murder rate down to the level of Whites and save 6,500 lives per year.
          Legislation can't solve these problems. It's a heart, mind & soul issue. GQ4U)
          http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime1999.pdf
          Blacks commit violent crimes at four to eight times the white rate. Hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate. Blacks are 250 times more likely to do criminal violence to whites than the reverse.
          (Again, It's a heart, mind & soul issue. You must find value in your own life in order to respect the life of another. GQ4U)
          http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&am...
          One-quarter of the crime victims who are shot are young black males. (15-24 years of age)
          http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf
          Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. 45% of their victims are white, 43% black, and 10% Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three (3) percent of their victims are black.
          Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

          =============================
          (If statistics mean anything, Congress could reduce the murder rate by 50% or more, if they simply banned Blacks from having guns. Of course this would violate Blacks Second Amendment RIGHTS but, hey, Congress does that to us every single day. My point is, we can compile all sorts of disjointed evidence to support every harebrained law to control large groups of individuals.
          I don't believe banning works for any of us... but statistics show that liberty does. GQ4U)

    • PJS

      Moron, especially if you believe anything in "TIME" magazine;
      Fact is whenever concealed carry laws have been implemented, crime rates and killings have taken a significant drop. The most RABID anti-gun cities of New York, Chicago, Washington, DC and Detroit have rampant gun murders and high crime rates despite all the anti-gun laws on the books.
      Go get a decent education in gun rights and the truth.

    • Pleasepassthetea

      Time Magazine is the source?!! You've already lost me.

    • RHSchumann

      I guess Kleck also counted the Japanese student who knocked on a farmer's door to ask for directions and was shot dead at blank range.

  • Pete Williams

    Cleaver has no business being one of our elected officials. Vote him out of office period!!

    • Insurgent

      Dumber than a box of rocks and a typical LFN !!!

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    Part II

    There is far more research on the question of who is most likely to get killed when someone keeps a gun at home. In a 1986 study called "Protection or Peril?," Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a University of Tennessee professor of medicine, and Dr. Donald Reay, chief medical examiner of King County in Washington, concluded that for each defensive, justifiable homicide there were 43 murders, suicides or accidental deaths. Out of 398 gunshot fatalities in homes in King County between 1978 and 1983, only nine were motivated by self- defense.
    The one-week survey by TIME found a similar ratio on a national basis: only 14 of the 464 gun deaths resulted from defensive firing. An alarming 216 were suicides, 22 were accidental, and many of the rest involved homicides among people who knew each other well rather than citizens gunned down by strangers.
    Such statistics do not refute the argument that a gun, even if not fired, can save a life by discouraging a murderous attacker. Still, Tulane sociologist James Wright points out that guns have limited usefulness in preventing crimes. About 90% of crimes in homes occur when the resident is away, he notes, while violent crimes often take place on the streets. Says Wright: "Unless you make a habit of walking around with your gun at all times, you're not going to stop that either."
    A relatively balanced view of the gun question comes, surprisingly, from Kleck. "The vast majority of the population lives in low-crime neighborhoods and has virtually no need for a gun for defensive reasons," he says. "A tiny fraction has a great deal of reason to get anything it can get that might help reduce its victimization."
    Even the American Rifleman accounts of how helpful a gun can be in saving a life may not always tell the full story. In the case of cabdriver Bolton, the N.R.A. magazine failed to report how chance, rather than her pistol, saved her life. Bolton told the Arizona Republic that after she wounded her assailant, he grabbed her gun, pushed the barrel against her neck and pulled the trigger several times. What really saved Bolton was that she had emptied the chamber. Said she: "I kept thinking that maybe there was a bullet still in it and it would go off at any minute." If that had happened, the incident undoubtedly would not have appeared in the Rifleman.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,...

    • PJS

      More moronic postings from an anti-gun nutter. Quoting an article from a rabid left wing anti-gun magazine has ZERO value. Time magazine isn't even a good bird cage liner.
      This one tries to twist it all to an anti-gun justification; hope someday a criminal breaks into your house and steals everything you own while you cower helplessly on the ground because he has a gun and you didn't. How ae you going to protect your wife and children: Dial 911 and wait for 15 to 20 minutes for the cops to show up and save your sorry butt? They'll draw a chalk outline around your body, don't worry.

      • Harold Dean

        This is so. One thing never mentioned is if the person who used the gun in the domestic incident was legally qualified to possess same and if such a person had a history of violence, domestic or otherwise and if other crimes had been committed by him with any other type of weapon. One sided reporting is suspect enough even if it is not presented in a biased publication.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Time Magazine? Oh yeah, the ones that made Hitler 'Man of the Year' in 1938. Yup that's credibility for us all. PHHHHHHHHPPPPP!

    • DrJ

      Please donate your brian to science when you die, they certainly do not have one that small to study. Your post is too full of crap to even waste the time to refute. Maybe you would be happier if instead of being shot, people were pushed out of windows. Would they be less dead? Let me make it simple enough for you to understand: an armed person is a citizen and an unarmed person is a subject; and idiots like you that are also mentally unarmed and being allowed to be voting citizens is part of the reason we are in the mess we are in today. Keep your stupid ideas to yourself until a Democrat ghetto zombie that robs you and demonstrates his illegal firearn into some part of your body. Then make your foolish comments.

  • Lemrob

    If guns are outlawed; only owtlaws will have guns.

    • Susan

      And peace through strength!

  • Chiefs Fan

    Please, keep picking on that worthess Cleaver. Since he is black and KC, and St Louis mostly are, he keeps winning. But he's a total loser in mine eyes.

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    There are over 200 million rifles, shotguns and handguns in the public’s possession. We also know that 2/3 of the 16,137 murders in the US in 2004, were caused by guns and over &frac12; of 401,326 violent crimes were done with the aid of a gun.

    • PJS

      More BS "statistics" that are totally untrue and stretched beyond all imagination. Go crawl back into your basement troll.

    • CapitalistNature

      Why not ban automobiles since they claim more lives every year?

    • Pleasepassthetea

      Let me guess. More from Time magazine?????

      • Pleasepassthetea

        That nobody reads except apparently you rjgarfunkel -

    • GQ4U

      Americans have killed on average 40,000 people per year for over 20-years with automobiles.
      Should we outlaw cars, they aren't even directly protected by the Constitution?
      "We also know that 2/3 of the 16,137 murders in the US in 2004, were caused by guns" This is not quite accurate.
      On average, guns are used in 10,000 murders annually, but people committed those murders, not the gun. I find the propaganda war in full bloom when it comes to spreading a tainted view of murder by gun. In all other cases it is the assailant causing death... not the tool or weapon of choice. All other weapons; knife, baseball bat, tire iron, rope, pillow, water, car, tall buildings, garrote, razor, spear, sword, poison, are all used by killers, but never blamed for the crime. Only one tool, the gun, is guilty of killing. Only one tool used by murderers is strictly regulated by government. Only one tool, due to propaganda, is unreasonably feared. Americans are in greater danger of dieing due to negligence at the hospital than they are from firearms. If you don't want a gun, don't get one. If I own a gun, it is not a danger to you, since I won't ever commit murder. Your only danger related to guns, is from criminals, or if you come to try and take my gun.

  • Robert K. Webb

    Probably because that quote is attributed to Ben Franklin, not JA. Funny, I don't feel so "secure" now that our Bill of Rights crashed and burned since our enlightened leaders declared war on Americans-who never attacked America on 9/11 and all the hijackers were KIA that day- and made our own nation a battlefield on the war against an IDEA.

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    More on the wonderful world of gun safety and how they have saved America from invasion and mayhem.

    In 2007, guns took the lives of 31,224 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1 69,863 Americans were treated in hospital emergency department for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2007.2 Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2007, following motor vehicle accidents and poisoning.3

    Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.4 In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.5
    Guns were used in 12,632 homicides in 2007, comprising over 40% of all gun deaths, and nearly 69% of all homicides.6 On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2002-2007.7 Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8 Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.9

    Firearms were used in 17,352 suicides in 2007, constituting 55% of all gun deaths.10 Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.11 On average, 46 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2001-2007.12White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2007.13 A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.14 Firearms were used in 45% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2007.15More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.16

    • gimmieagun

      The numbers don't lie criminals comitt most of the killing's of inniocent people and the police will never be able to stop criminals from getting guns and they are NEVER AROUND WHEN NEEDED MOST they only get to clean up the mess and then they get to TRY and find the criminal who done this terrable crime and slap him on the hand and lock him up for a couple of years then turn him loose. legal guns are the bigest protection against criminals there is and there is no logical arguement against legal GUNS used for sport shooting and personal protection. After all my life is JUST AS IMPORTANT AS SOME RICH IDIOT WHO SUPPORTS GUN CONTROL and has a personel armed bodyguard........????

      • gimmieagun

        PS--------------------- AS FOR THE SUICIDES IF THEY DON'T HAVE GUNS THEY WILL USE KNIVES, ROPES, DROWNING or,LET police shoot them and use any number of other ways to kill themselves.

    • PJS

      More anti-gun troll made up and stretched statistics; nothing but a liar.

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Part 1...........

    How to call the police when you're old
    and don't move so fast anymore.

    George Phillips, an elderly man, from Meridian, Mississippi, was going up to bed, when his wife told him that he'd left the light on in the garden shed, which she could see from the bedroom window. George opened the back door to go turn off the light, but saw that there were people in the shed stealing things.

  • Randy W.

    I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.....

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Part 2..........

    He phoned the police, who asked, "Is someone in your house?"
    He said, "No," but some people are breaking into my garden shed and stealing from me.

    Then the police dispatcher said, "All patrols are busy. You should lock your doors and an officer will be along when one is available.."

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    More great news on Guns and the Nuts who want every one armed to the teeth!

    In 2007, guns were the cause of the unintentional deaths of 613 people.18 From 2001 through 2007, over 4,900 people in the United States died from unintentional shootings.19 Over 1,750 victims of unintentional shootings between 2001 and 2007 were under 25 years of age.20 People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.21
    A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.22 The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).23

    Guns increase the probability of death in incidents of domestic violence.26 Firearms were used to kill more than two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse homicide victims between 1990 and 2005.27 Domestic violence assaults involving a firearm are 23 times more likely to result in death than those involving other weapons or bodily force.28 Abused women are five times more likely to be killed by their abuser if the abuser owns a firearm.29

    A recent survey of female domestic violence shelter residents in California found that more than one third (36.7%) reported having been threatened or harmed with a firearm.30 In nearly two thirds (64.5%) of the households that contained a firearm, the intimate partner had used the firearm against the victim, usually threatening to shoot or kill the victim.31 Laws that prohibit the purchase of a firearm by a person subject to a domestic violence restraining order are associated with a reduction in the number of intimate partner homicides.32 Between 1990 and 2005, individuals killed by current dating partners made up almost half of all spouse and current dating partner homicides.33

    A study of applicants for domestic violence restraining orders in Los Angeles found that the most common relationship between the victim and abuser was a dating relationship, and applications for protective orders were more likely to mention firearms when the parties had not lived together and were not married.34

    For additional information about domestic violence and firearms, including background information and state and local laws on the topic, see LCAV’s Domestic Violence and Firearms Policy Summary.

    • PJS

      Here we go again, a lying libtarded troll making up stories and statistics to try and support s stupid stance on gun ownership.
      Go crawl back to your masters on the Buffet mayor anti-gun nonsense crowd and kiss their bttoms because you wont have the right to do anything else if they get their way.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

        Everyone is lying but you clowns! You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Climb out of your calcified mind.

        • http://www.wakeupamerica.com/4098 SuperDave2

          Where do you get your facts? Cite some credible source--As for me, I think you've made them up!

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond

    Part 3..............

    George said, "Okay."

    He hung up the phone and counted to 30. Then he phoned the police again..

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    Firearm-related deaths and injuries result in estimated medical costs of $2.3 billion each year – half of which are borne by U.S. taxpayers.35 Once all the direct and indirect medical, legal and societal costs are factored together, the annual cost of gun violence in America amounts to $100 billion.36 Americans own an estimated 270 million firearms – approximately 90 guns for every 100 people.37 In 2007, nearly 70% of all murders nationwide were committed with a firearm.38 In 2007, 385,178 total firearm crimes were committed, including 11,512 murders, 190,514 robberies, and 183,153 aggravated assaults.39
    Guns cause the death of 20 children and young adults (24 years of age and under) each day in the U.S.40Children and young adults (24 years of age and under) constitute over 41% of all firearm deaths and non-fatal injuries.41 In the United States, over 1.69 million kids age 18 and under are living in households with loaded and unlocked firearms.42 More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.43 A 2000 study found that 55% of U.S. homes with children and firearms have one or more firearms in an unlocked place; 43% have guns without a trigger lock in an unlocked place.44 The practices of keeping firearms locked, unloaded, and storing ammunition in a locked location separate from firearms may assist in reducing youth suicide and unintentional injury in homes with children and teenagers where guns are stored.45 Many young children, including children as young as three years old, are strong enough to fire handguns.46

    • PJS

      More troll traash and lies. rigarfunkel is an idiotic anti-gun troll making up numbers as it goes along. Everything it posts is a LIE and should be deleted.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

        If anyone is a closed minded bigot, you fit the profile. If you wish to disagree with generally accepted statistics that is your choice. On this site and its clones, one thing is consistent, the government lies, the media lies, the left lies, and the extremist right-wing lunatic fringe speaks the words of truth and the law. Read David M. Kennedy's book, "You Voted for Who? And you Call yourself a Christian?" Its all about how the right wing nuts have hijacked Christianity and its age old values.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      RJGARF said: "Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.48 A study reviewing surveys of gun use in the U.S. determined that most self-reported self-defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society." (it would be nice if you would STOP cutting and pasting in this blog and use your own words)

      So, in 2009 your data there were only 215 people killed with guns; 165 by handguns. That is a safety record unheard of in any other industry. (BTW, your other post said that in 2007 there were over 13,000 deaths; you must really have absurd data!)

      Let's compare:
      Health care industry: estimated deaths/yr by incorrect procedure/errors: 44,000 Yes, doctors are 10x more dangerous than guns!

      Automobile industry: people killed with car/truck: 42,000 (let's ban cars!)

      Drownings: 4100 (shall we do away with water?)

      Sports: kids/youth/adults killed during sporting event: 230 (shall we ban sports? well before you answer, consider this:Baby boomers suffered more that 1 million sports injuries which cost over $18.7 billion in medical expenses in 1998. The highest numbers of sports-related injuries came from bicycling, basketball, baseball, and running. That number is off the chart today.

      Finally, here is a refresher course for dolts who just don't ever get it:
      FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

      1. An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject.

      2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone; and when seconds count,
      the cops are just minutes away.

      3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

      4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

      5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

      6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

      7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

      8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

      9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

      10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

      11. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand?

      12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

      13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

      14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

      15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

      16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

      17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

      18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

      19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

      20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

      21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

      • Pleasepassthetea

        Notice that rfgarfunkel never responds to any of the comments here; he/she just cuts and pastes more propaganda from Time magazine. So typical of the left - they can't articulate a coherent thought. They have to use false data and skewed results put together by someone from moveon.org or the New York Times . . .

      • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

        "215" out of 13K+ JUSTIFIABLE homicides- please re-read!

    • Doug Rodrigues

      Rjgarfunkel, I retired from Law Enforcement in 1992. You're playing with figures that don't add up. Literally, your numbers game can be applied to any subjet that you wish to vilify. For you doing that, you have no integrity.

    • GQ4U

      Rjgarfunkel wrote: "Firearm-related deaths and injuries result in estimated medical costs of $2.3 billion each year – half of which are borne by U.S. taxpayers"

      13% of the population is responsible for 51.2% of those deaths, injuries and costs to taxpayers, but I don't see you proposing banning Blacks. Firearms are never murderers. Mankind has and always will find a way to kill each other.
      Let's ban cars, they kill 240% more people annually than guns. Ban pharmaceuticals, they kill over 400% more people every year than bullets. Statistics prove prescription drugs are 16,400% more deadly than terrorists.

      Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html#ixzz1iOM5F... http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/2011122...

  • samtman

    The only thing I got out this postingt is that its good to be poor and have nothing, it actually is the American dream, next you will tell us thats i good be sick or may be even dead.

  • Blair Franconia, NH

    Screen the whack jobs.

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    Using a gun in self-defense is no more likely to reduce the chance of being injured during a crime than various other forms of protective action.47 Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.48 A study reviewing surveys of gun use in the U.S. determined that most self-reported self-defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society.49
    From 1993 to 2001, an annual average of 737,360 violent crimes were committed with handguns in the U.S., making handguns seven times more likely to be used to commit violent crimes than other firearms.50 Although handguns make up only 34% of firearms, approximately 80% of firearm homicides are committed with a handgun.51 Women face an especially high risk of handgun violence.52 In 2008, 71% of female homicide victims were killed with a handgun.53
    A California study found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among handgun purchasers.54 In the first week after the purchase of a handgun, the firearm suicide rate among the purchasers was 57 times as high as the adjusted rate in the general population.55
    A 1991 study documenting the effectiveness of Washington, D.C.’s law banning handguns (this law was recently repealed following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling finding it unconstitutional in District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S. Ct. 2783 (2008)) found that following the enactment of the ban in 1976, there was a 25% decline in homicides committed with firearms and a 23% decline in suicides committed with firearms within the District of Columbia.56 No similar reductions were observed in the number of homicides or suicides committed by other means, nor were similar reductions found in the adjacent metropolitan areas in Maryland and Virginia.57 As a result of its now-repealed handgun ban, the District of Columbia had the lowest rate of youth suicide in the nation – lower than any state.58

    • PJS

      A persistent liar and troll. It should be banned from posting as it makes up numbers shamelessly.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

        I am not a liar, not anti-gun, and not the moron, closed minded nut-case that you are. Gun control and licensing is reasonable, adopted by most states, and is in the best interest of most citizens. You people hate and demean any one who differs from your extremist views.

        • http://www.wakeupamerica.com/4098 SuperDave2

          Again, cite your source for these figures! Are we to assume that you made them up out of thin air? They don't add up or make sense in any way!
          Any misspelling is my keyboards fault!

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      @ RJGARF...I beg to differ snotnosedweeb. I have been in a firefight; and I can attest to the helpfulness of a 586 L Frame S/W. It was the difference between reading this blog from heaven vs having to put up with your nonsense in the here and now.

      BTW, when DC repealed that horrific hand gun ban, felony assaults fell by 58%. Murder by gun went down 97%. That's what I call 'gun control'.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

        Good for you-what does that have to do with thousands of homicides, armed robberies and suicides?

    • Pleasepassthetea

      You're wasting your time. We're all just scrolling past your posts.

      • Soldier of Fortune

        Pleasepassthetea, you really shouldn't! It's very interesting to find out how the so throughly brainwashed try to convince those of us who can think, reason and put together cogent arguments that refute such utter nonsense.

    • Robert

      Some one is trying to kill you and you have a gun . You shoot the SOB dead . You are alive !
      Some one is trying to kill you and you cry out don't hurt me I don't have a gun . YOU ARE DEAD.

      Is that better for you Rat-fickle?

  • Tim

    Gun Control is not about guns, it is about control. Government control of your life, that is what gun control is about.

    • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

      Sorry its about gun control. The conditions that existed at the time of the 2nd Amendment have changed, and the Courts have adjusted to those societal changes.

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    More on Concealed Weapons and the Problems that Ensue!

    Shall-issue laws permitting the carrying of concealed firearms (CCW) (where law enforcement has no discretion in issuing a permit or license) do not appear to reduce crime, and no credible statistical evidence exists that such permissive CCW laws reduce crime. There is evidence permissive CCW laws generally will increase crime.59
    A National Academy of Sciences report reviewing existing data on the effectiveness of firearm laws, including research purporting to demonstrate that concealed carry (also called “right-to-carry”) laws reduce crime, found that the “evidence to date does not adequately indicate either the sign or the magnitude of a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates.”60 An analysis of Texas’ CCW law, (a law adopted in 1995 that overturned the state’s 125-year ban on concealed weapons), found that between January 1, 1996 and August 31, 2001, Texas license holders were arrested for 5,314 crimes, including murder, rape, kidnapping and theft.61

    From 1996 to 2000, Texas CCW holders were arrested for weapons-related crimes at a rate 81% higher than that of the state’s general population age 21 and older.62 Since the Texas law took effect, more than 400 criminals – including rapists and armed robbers – had been issued CCW permits, and thousands of the 215,000 permit holders have been arrested for criminal behavior or found to be mentally unstable.63 The “largest category of problem licensees involve[d] those who committed crimes after getting their state” permits.64

    Florida’s CCW system had, just in the first half of 2006, licensed more than 1,400 individuals who had pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies, 216 individuals with outstanding warrants, 128 people with active domestic violence injunctions against them, and six registered sex offenders.65

    For additional information about the carrying of concealed weapons, including information on the dangers posed by carrying guns in public, see LCAV’s Report America Caught in the Crossfire: How Concealed Carry Laws Threaten Public Safety and our Carrying Concealed Weapons Policy Summary.

    • PJS

      More lies, especially about FLorida, this troll posts the lies gathered from the moronic "anti-gun" crowd none of which bear ANY relationship to truth Do notice that the site he recommends and quotes is a rabid anti-gun group and site and is FULL of lies and false statistics which cannot be validated in checks of the FBI and other CREDIBLE sources more noted for their truthfulness.

    • Soldier of Fortune

      Rjgarfunkel, have you ever had an original thought in your entire life or do you just regurgitate all of the left wing propaganda from the not-so main stream media, e.g. Time magazine, NY Times, etc? If your research(?) is limited to sources such as you cited, Time magazine, then you have a lot to learn.

      Everyplace where more gun control measure have been enacted that further restricts or denies completely the ability of law abiding people their right to own and possess firearms, the crime rate goes up. The reason is quite simple... the criminal element knows that the likelyhood of their victims to have the ability and the means to protect themselves is nil.

      Most of the tripe you've coppied and pasted from Time magazine is mostly baseless, taken out of context or most likely just made up out of whole cloth.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

        What propaganda do you spew? What world of trailer park trash do you live in? How many people do you know who read a book? Join the French Foreign Legion if you want more action.

        • http://www.wakeupamerica.com/4098 SuperDave2

          As usual, when you can't win an argument with PROVABLE facts. you lefties will start the personal amear campaigns!

    • Robert

      Again Rat -Fickle-ed is wrong.
      Where ever the right to carry laws are in place there is less violent crime .

    • Dexter

      I would love to defecate in your face. You stated "Florida’s CCW system had, just in the first half of 2006, licensed more than 1,400 individuals who had pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies, 216 individuals with outstanding warrants, 128 people with active domestic violence injunctions against them, and six registered sex offenders" You are apparently so completely ignorant that you do not know convicted that felons are not permitted to own guns of any kind, and possession sends them right to the can. I don't know how a convicted felon could obtain a state issued CCW. Do us a favor, dry up and blow away.

  • Patriick Duffy

    If you need a gun for safety, the society is ungodly by definition. If God is on your side, you can defeat an army with nothing but a lantern, which is how Gideon defeated the enemies of Israel in the days of old, and Pharoah went into the sea without a single shot being fired. A society that needs guns to defend itself is without God, which is the definition of ungodliness. This is why America has turned to the military as its god, rather than the true God. If a nation keeps the commandments of God, that nation will not need guns.

    • PJS

      Total "christian" nonsense. What a moron, there were NO guns in those days, but swords, spears and arrows did a lot of damage.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Interesting philosophy, but not very theological. Moses' army went into battle with weapons; so did King David. In Luke 22:36 Jesus offers up the advice to 'sell your cloak and buy a sword'. You can imagine it would not be for stirring porridge, right?

      Protection of the unborn, the least able (Prov. 31) to protect themselves. God intends that the strong protect the less able. If you think you can do that against an enemy without physical armor, you miss the point of theology. Indeed we can conquer the depths of hell by faith in Christ, but you will find it very difficult, nay impossible to protect your neighbor from sinful beasts with just words or The Word. Better pony up cowboy.

    • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

      What does that gibberish have to do with the price of onions in Bermuda?

    • Robert

      Patriick ,
      Were you ever stationed in Washington state in the 70's

    • Robert K. Webb

      "Show me your faith without works and I'll show my faith BY my works"!
      In other words, "faith without works is dead"...in more ways than one!

  • Patriick Duffy

    It is the ungodly society that requires the threat of death to keep the peace, and guns to protect itself. In the end, all the armed societies will not be saved, as the world will come to the brink of destruction because of the trust in forces, all the world's weapons will be used, and then God will finally interevene to stop it, and HE will disarm the world, as it is written, "they will beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks". Man's attempt tho disarm the world will fail because of the evil nature in man and satan's rule over humanity. Until God breaks those bonds, it won't matter what you do. Go ahead and arm yourselves, you cannot save your own skin.

    • PJS

      More nonsense.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      So, Moses and Aaron were 'ungodly' when they went into battle at YHWH's command? When King David slew Goliath, that was somehow 'ungodly'? I'm confused...and evidently, so are you.

  • traveler

    Personal defense is the rallying cry of most of the pro gun groups (I'm a NRA member and collector). what is missed is that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is not personal defense but to "... to protect ... from the tyranny of government" Thomas Jefferson. The regulars marched on Concord to confiscate arms and thus the US was born.

    • PJS

      The right of the citizen to own weapons and guns is what protects and keeps for us every other right enumerated (not granted by) the Constitution The gun IS for personal defense against those that wold rob and otherwise harm us, and against a tyrannical government that would enslave us.

  • Steve

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.

    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.

    GUN CONTROL WORKS ask the experts: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot

    Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36 – Jesus Christ

    Luke 10:18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
    In ancient Hebrew the word for lightning is barack, the word for heaven or the
    heights is bama and to connect the words either an “a” or an “o” is used.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 (King James Version)
    3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there
    come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Political Correctness a term first seen in Mao’s Little Red Book, a communist engendered abomination that is instituting censorship little by little.

    “If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”- George Washington

    Carl Marx, once wrote that, the goal of the Communists was to quote,. “enter into men’s minds and cast God down from his throne.”

    Matthew 12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

     

    In ancient Babylon their economy was based on usury.
    “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest. Exodus 22:25
    Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:13
    Usury is unlawful; expressly prohibited by GOD!
     Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution clearly states that only the Congress can print and coin money! 

    The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was slipped thru congress during the Christmas break with the majority of it’s members absent. 

    The Federal Reserve is self serving and privately owned in violation to the Constitution, charging interest on illegally printed money. Money printed from nothing!
    In America On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. Five months later A UNITED STATES PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY was MURDERED BY COMMUNIST!
    “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest. Exodus 22:25
    Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:13
    Usury is unlawful; expressly prohibited by GOD!
     
     
    In ancient Babylon their priest sacrificed babies to their gods baal, and molech.  
    In America the communist under their socialist programs have sacrificed over 50 million American babies to their god satan!
    Leviticus 20:2-5
    2Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel , Whosoever he be of the children of Israel , or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel , that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
    3And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
    4And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
    5Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
     
    Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
     
     
    Jeremiah 50:16Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the SICKLE in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.
    Jeremiah 50:23How is the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH CUT ASUNDER AND BROKEN! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!
    BABYLON = the HAMMER and SICKLE!
     
     
    Jeremiah 50:14 “ Put yourselves in array against Babylon all around, All you who bend the bow; Shoot at her, spare no arrows, For she has sinned against the LORD.

    All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD will I destroy them. Psalm 118:10

     

    “The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!”. George Washington

    “NO KING BUT KING JESUS!”
            

     

  • kRIS

    Cleaver was also involved with the black panthers through family ties, either his brother or his cousin was a black panther and the jury is still out on Cleaver's involvement with the group. So Cleaver is a minister? So lying and confronting people is Christian behavior? He wasn't a minister during the 60's when the panther movement was at it's peak, so you can understand the questions about his involvement in the group. I also seem to recall 3 instances where he claimed the KKK burned crosses on his front lawn. Seems after the police investigated, no arrests were made and it never happened again. curious, wouldn't you say? It would seem that Cleaver left his ministering principles behind after he entered politics! Now he's just like all the rest of the pol,itical hacks, all for one and the one is ME!

  • d.stout

    Raymonds comments say's it all. Those who would take our guns have an agenda, and, it is not a free people. It is a government run by elites who know best for the rest of us.

  • Susan

    First two jobs of a successful coup: 1) take over the media (done...MSNBC) 2) disarm the populace (they're still trying)

  • Blaze

    The original Hebrew word used in Exodus 20:13 (the 10 commandments) is "ratsach" which means "to murder, to slay, to commit manslaughter", so the commandment actually reads, "Thou shalt not murder." Defending yourself isn't murder.

  • big T

    Is this Rugerfunkle related to Eric Holder ? It must be where he got his statistics ! because most of them are bull ! but I bet he doesn't remember getting an e-mail from Holder about the stats. he doesn't quite get the point of his statistics, like they were killed by handguns, now if your in england it would be killed by a knife, or in pakistan you were killed by a bomb , only because they don't have access to weapons ! get a life !

  • Bigsmoke

    In Arizona, living out on the Desert, 95% of my neighbors are gun owners and know how to use them. This presents a quandary for the Banditos-they don't know who the 5% are. SO, if you don't want to own a gun that's fine with me, just remember that you are going thru life on the shoulders of your neighbors who do have guns, SO APPRECIATE IT AND BACK OFF!

  • Viet Vet

    Until WE, the AMERICAN CITIZEN, decide to vote out of office those who want to do away with the 2nd Amendment or alter laws to make it economically impossible to buy ammo/guns, we will have this problem. Get rid of the idiots in DC and put people in office who have some common sense, patriotism who put Ameica and Americans first, are not self serving, and who will abide by the same laws all Americans are expected to. Some of those who want to do away with OUR 2nd Amendment rights are: obama, hillary, holder, soros, kagan, reid, sotomayor, ermanuel, kerry, and many others both in his administration and outside of it. These people want gun control in order to make sure we, as Americans, have no way of defending ourselves, our families, and our freedoms that so many of us fought for, and so many died for.

  • tony

    Let's hear it for this mother!! Way to go! She put it all on the line to protect her son! If we don't stand up for ourselves and our families Who will? Guns Save Lives!! That's why I am a legally carrying minister. I always carry in the church and out! I encourage everyone to do the same! If you are of age you should be carrying legally!! And you should be fighting and voting for more freedom in carrying a fire arm! Because even where the freedom to carry exists, there are too may hindrances and controls placed on it by the government! Stand up for the second amendment!

  • Scott

    Way to go mom! The criminal got what he deserved! Break into my house and threaten my family, and you'll be met with a .45, a 12 gauge, or a mini-14 5.56 nato - take your pick!

    • CapitalistNature

      I think with that collection I would definitely be longing for more. Practice your 2ND Amendment rights and get more guns!!! Happy Hunting.

  • big T

    Old Rugerfunkle must be one of Eric Holders buddies, can't get his facts straight, ok you carry your flashlight and I will carry my Colt . and I will watch for your name on the statistics list. don;t care how bright your flashlight is have never known a light beam to deter a thief ! good luck

  • Nemesis of Empire

    Guns are GOD. It's that simple. Worship early and often.

    But never, ever forget to keep and use your KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE !!!!

    For when you run out of bullets, you will never run out of enemies, and if you have a knife knife knife knife, you will never run out of DEATH.

    CHRIST SALUTES THE BRINGERS OF DEATH, WORSHIPPERS OF CHRIST THE GUN! CHRIST THE GUN! CHRIST THE GUN! CHRIST THE GUN!

    • CapitalistNature

      Dude! You are off your rocker!!!

      • Soldier of Fortune

        No he's not; he's off his meds!

    • samtman

      Your a nut case, turn yourself in before you hurt somebody and yourself.

    • Robert

      This is the person that SHOULD NEVER HAVE ANY SHARP OBJECTS LET ALONE A GUN .

  • Southern Jew

    Time Magazine ? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Good laugh! Is this the type of trash bucket you pull this crap from? Ha Ha Ha Ha! Very funny!

  • BobR

    My first year in college at U Chicago in 1936 I was living with my mother and stepfather in a 3 story carriage house on the near north side. It was around 11:30 pm and my mother and I were waiting in the 2nd floor living room for Sam to come home from his job as music technician at the Chicago Civic Opera when we heard someone fumbling with a key at our front door. My mother became alarmed and I rushed up to the third floor where a .32 Mauser pistol was stashed. When the intruder finally got the door open I was waiting for him at the top of the long flight of stairs. He saw me and said, "I've come to inspect your furnace" and disappeared thru a door into the basement. Mother and I were not impressed with this crazy statement and I waited his return from the top of the long flight of stairs. He reappeared in a few minutes and started up the
    stairs. I let him come until he was about four steps from the top when I pulled the pistol ready to fire and aimed right between his eyes. He almost fell backwards in his haste to leave. I have always been glad I did not have to kill him.

  • jim in TX

    Raymond I still remember what My old PMI and Platoon Commander at MCRD San Diego said
    true gun control is hitting Your intended target and making sure he doesn't get to go home to his family
    Keep the faith and Semper Fi from a brother of the class of 1973

  • Gouchybear

    I think Chris P. meant "Fleshlight" not flashlight....

  • Daniel from TN

    Today's History lesson. The right to bear arms clause in the Declaration of Independence is NOT talking about the military. The military is discussed in the word "militia." We were at war with England. The English government had over stepped its authority, forcing the people to fight back. Individuals, the people, fought back because there was no organized US military at that time. The right to bear arms from this Historical aspect means the right to bear arms against the government when that government exceeds its authority and forces the people to resist that government.
    We are approaching that time again in the United States. The federal government has repeatedly overstepped its clearly defined Constitutional limits. The people know this. The government knows the people know and is becoming scared. That is the TRUE reason for all the attempts for gun control.

    • Soldier of Fortune

      Daniel, the right to bear arms is included in the 2nd of the 1st ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights. I found nothing in the Declaration of Independence regarding the right to bear arms or the militia. References are made in the Declaration regarding how England was keeping standing armies among the citizens, immune to civil law, and quarting them among the civil population; also that citizens were taken captive and compelled to bear arms against their country and importing foreign armies of mercenaries to enforce English tyranny. That's all.

      Before you try to give your next histroy lesson, bone up on history so you can be accurate.

      • Robert K. Webb

        Soldier, I think Daniel made an honest mistake. Everything else he said is factual. In fact, General Washington's "Standing Orders" included a provision making it mandatory for every man to purchase a musket, powder, and musket balls. The Minute Men were called that because they were to respond to any emergency at a moment's notice. An unarmed populace would've made this order of mobilization impossible and would've probably ensured the defeat of the American Revolution! Today we see our own leaders dismantling our Constitution slice by slice, acting more like agent provocateurs than patriots, indeed using all of their power to defeat the hard-fought principles won on the battlefield in the American Revolution. Our victory was no more assured then than preserving our Constitution is today. The difference is, at least we knew who are enemies were then-they wore RED COATS! Today, we have been betrayed with a kiss and a knife turn in our backs by the very ones we have entrusted with the reins of power!

  • Tea Party!!

    Heylottylotty, you ARE EXACTLY RIGHT but you MUST remember that liberals FIRST NEED a BRAIN!! My gun NEVER went off sitting there, NEVER saw a gun go off just sitting there but I HAVE SEEN criminals and IDIOTS MAKE a gun fire/discharge!! Liberals will NEVER get it!!!!

  • chika nagasaka

    I agree to this article.

  • Old Vet

    Has it not been proven that in communities where all citizens are licensed to carry, crime rates have dropped? I say disarm the politicians, meaning strip them of their power to "Rule" our lives.

  • Richard Gibbard

    As the great American Ted Nugent once said, "911 is just the cleanup crew for the guy who lost."

  • grunt

    We had another great gun experience here in Oklahoma. An 18 year old woman with a child had her husband die two weeks ago. Two local punks tried to get in her house. When she refused to let them in they tried to kick in her front door. She spent twenty minutes on the with the police talking to them. During that time she picked up a 9mm pistol and a 12gauge shotgun. The punks eventually got through the door. The first one caught a shotgun blast to head and died instantly. Seeing this. The second one ran off quite traumatized. He was turned in to the police later that day by his own parents. Neighbors replaced her door within hours of this.

  • BobR

    My first year in college at U Chicago in 1936 I was living with my mother and stepfather in a 3 story carriage house on the near north side. It was around 11:30 pm and my mother and I were waiting in the 2nd floor living room for Sam to come home from his job as music technician at the Chicago Civic Opera when we heard someone fumbling with a key at our front door. My mother became alarmed and I rushed up to the third floor where a .32 Mauser pistol was stashed. When the intruder finally got the door open I was waiting for him at the top of the long flight of stairs. He saw me and said, "I've come to inspect your furnace" and disappeared thru a door into the basement. Mother and I were not impressed with this crazy statement and I waited his return from the top of the long flight of stairs. He reappeared in a few minutes and started up the

    • BobR

      Rest of BobR comment--"stairs. About 4 steps to the top I whipped out a .32 Mauser pistol, ready to fire, aimed right between his eyes. The intruder almost fell down the stairs in his haste to get out of our place. I have always been grateful I did not have to kill him.

      • Soldier of Fortune

        So you posted this story twice because...? It's a good one, but I don't think repeating it accomplishes anything.

  • gene

    Years ago....painted on most police cars...
    'To Serve and Protect' Back then, they carried Guns to protect the public....
    crooks feared the police and courts......
    Today..very few police cars say anything and because of 'Political
    Corrections' and personal lawsuits, don't think because they carry
    a gun, they'll protect you. I like the Texas Slogan, 'We don't call 911'

    • Soldier of Fortune

      "To Serve and Protect" is just a slogan and means nothing becuse the courts have found that law enforcement has no duty to protect anyone, only to investigate crime and arrest law breakers.

  • Ben

    I carry a gun because I can and will continue to do so as long as I am strong enough to hold it steady and pull the trigger.
    And with a gun, knife, pepper spray, and my wits I am not scared of a damd thing. Except the out of controle Government.

  • shawnforfreedom

    great article, are you russian ? russians are very understanding of the horrors of progressive socialism. they should be listened to. ayn rand is one of my favorites. she says that russia was a giant cemetery. disarming the populace is always the communists goal. it is sick, the whole commy ,socialist ,fascist ,totalitarian nanny state crap is really killing me. the founding fathers knew a armed populace was very important. obama wants to spit in there faces.

  • James A Wyatt, Jr.

    Having grown up down here in the South with firearms always at hand and in use and having begun learning to safely handle rifles at preschool age and handguns at age 13, firearms have been readily at hand for 69 of my 74 years. They went with me to Chicago in the early 1960s when assigned to the company's office up there; this in the heart of Anti-gun country. For all of those years circumstances did not arise to the point of having to use my sidearm but it was always at my right elbow giving assurance that if the need arose to the point that if the crisis could not be avoided by a 'cool head' my wife and I would be in a position to survive. Now, at 74 and disabled, fight and flight is not a viable alternative and thus a sidearm on the belt and another readily at hand is a second away and thus the only alternative to being helpless; fully aware that government 'law enforcement' has, according to the courts, no obligation to the individual citizen but only to the community as a whole.

  • Carol

    Guns scare me because bullets have no eyes and that means you could kill yourself by accident an accident that you can't recover from or your child could pick-up by accident and the rest is history.

    But to take it away from the American Public is so totally insane I really don't have the words.

    • Robert

      They are also color blind . They do only what they are told just like a hammer and nail . They are only tools teach gun safety in school starting in first grade .
      Have you ever thought that as a person that you should be responsible for your actions ? Every "child" learns things like fire hot , stove hot , Cat scratch if you jump on it , or dog bites if you kick it . If you hit yourself with a hammer it is not the hammers fault .
      Pot your big girl panties on and grow up .

  • CapitalistNature

    What many people are failing to grasp..."Police" are not here to protect. "Police" are here to asses the situation after the fact. In the military, to "police" the area means to "clean and clear". Police are there to enforce the law after said law is broken. So if you choose to keep yourself disarmed and rely on police protection, do so at your own peril. I choose to never be the victim. I choose to arm myself and arm myself very well. AND I am proficient in using every single firearm I own.

    Stop using the "Police" as an excuse to disarm for it is inexcusable.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Correct. I carry a gun; because a cop is just TOO heavy to carry around.

    • Doug Rodrigues

      You are absolutely correct. The Supreme Court had ruled that the Police are under no obligation to protect you. The only duty of the Police is to investigate crime, and to bring the criminal to "Justice." That decision was made after two women who were raped over a period of 8 hours AFTER they had called the police. The police were too busy to respond to the call immediately, and the women's call was forgotten. The women sued, and lost..

  • Anonymous

    Our enemies, the Islam/Muslim group in our White House, the liberal Democrats in our Congress, and the mass media and entertainment fields, are against private public ownership of firearms. Thats because as long as the American people have the means to protect themselves against the evil, devious, lying thugs who are trying to ruin our system of government, they know that their plans will not succeed. We must make sure that we are always be willing and able to defend ourselves against these enemies, and that we are well prepared and armed to do so. Ours is still the greatest country, and the greatest system of government ever devised my mankind, and we must no let it be taken away from us. If this means that we will have to fight for our rights, so be it.

  • http://twitter.com/TutionBeliever @TutionBeliever

    Hello To All,
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    When the people fear the government, that’s Tyranny!
    When the government fears the people, that’s Liberty!
    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing!
    Now Is the Time for All Good Men and Women to come to the aid of Our Country!
    Make the Difference and Take a Stand with other Good Men and Women.
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  • samtman

    Every Pollice dept. in the country would like to see better and tougher gun controll, because guns kill more innocent people traffic accidents. Gun controll does not mean taking guns away from responsible citizens, it means keeping guns way from criminals and mental cases.

    • Doug Rodrigues

      And exactly were did you get that mis-information? There is no way possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals or mental cases. I have never known any Cop or Deputy Sheriff who wanted tougher gun control laws, because they don't work. The ACLU made it impossible to obtain mental health records for anyone. If a criminal is arrested for a gun crime, they still get out early? Do the research before you post such stupid comments.

      Ret. Deputy Sheriff

  • LarryFrom10EC

    Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
    Also,the more you talk to a liberal or a socialist especially, the closer you get to the inevitable assertion by them that people must die for the "good of the collective".

  • IGotAComment

    "... a home invasion robbery occurred ... shortly after midnight. ... Police Detectives investigated the robbery and shooting. The investigation disclosed that the robbers burst into the trailer, pistol whipped the resident in the face, and demanded money and drugs. The resident retrieved a handgun, and shot two of the three robbers. The two men died. A third robber ran away. Police identified ... as the third robber who escaped, and ... as the getaway driver.
    On Thursday, ... , an ... grand jury returned an indictment against .... The grand jury indicted ... for Manslaughter, Robbery, Conspiracy to Commit Robbery, and Burglary. ... The grand jury alleged that ... were criminally responsible for the death of their own accomplices because they agreed together to engage in a home invasion robbery, where gunplay and death or serious injury was reasonably foreseeable."

    No masks ... do you think the robbers were going to let him live??? Names not included to protect the innocent.

  • http://http/aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    All libs are wackos.

  • boomer8

    when politicians confiscate the people's guns, the tanks start rolling over the people.

  • I drink TEA

    Ooo rah! F-ck Slowbama and the rest of the dirty politicians!

  • URKiddinMee

    A well placed shot by an honest citizen is a 100% guarantee against recividism on the part of the predator.

  • IGotAComment

    The idea that "self-defense is futile" is a liberal idea. What is futile is the the idea that current laws prevent criminals from having guns and that is the part of society that are making victims of the unarmed society.

    Which state in recent history has passed 'right to carry concealed guns' and then seen an increase in crime as a result of those laws? When you can show me valid statistics that show crime increases as a result of 'right to carry laws,' then you can talk. Until then, go back in your corner and be quiet. See how nicely I said that.

  • Carlos

    This nation is built on equality. And when the chips are down, there's no better equalizer than the armed citizen.
    Stay armed,
    Stay vigilant,
    Stay free!

  • Robert

    I carry a gun to protect my family and myself. The way I see it is if a criminal can carry a gun and try to do me and my family harm, I have the right to carry one as well. Big difference is, the criminal doesn't have to go through all the " red tape" to carry a concealed weapon of any caliber, full-auto or semi-auto, they are criminals. Where as law abiding citizens must take gun courses, a back ground check, be finger printed and pass a test to carry a semi-auto or revolver concealed weapon. Criminals are not restricted by gun type or magazine capacity of the weapon. The law abiding citizen is. With that said, which of the two groups (criminal or law abiding citizen) would you say the government is putting pressure on and trying to take their guns away from????

    • Soldier of Fortune

      Robert, it would be helpful if you had identified what state you're referring to where one has to take a course and pass a test in order to carry firearms concealed. Washington is a shall issue state where the requirement to aquire a Concealed Pistol License is to pay the required $50 fee every 5 years and pass a backgound check including being fingerprinted. I alternate carrying either a revolver (.357 mag) and semi-auto (.40 S&W) pistol, the state doesn't differentiate for the purpose of legal carry. Also, Washington allows open carry in most places without any permit whatsoever if one is allowed to own and possess firearms legally.

  • hot02rod

    GUNS SAFES LIVES.PETER WAS TOLD BY JESUS TO CARRY A SWORD FOR HIS PROTECTION.IF GUN CONTROL IS IMPLEMENTED WE'LL HAVE LOST OUR FREEDOM.THE GOV.WANTS OUR GUNS SO WE DON'T HAVE AWAY TO FIGHT obama's ARMY.he BACKS THE MUSLIMS AND THEIR MURDEROUS WAYS,BUT AMERICANS BETTER NOT HAVE GUNS.I CAN NOT EXPRESS,IN WORDS,HOW IMPORTANT OUR 2nd AMENDMENT IS.IF IT GOES,IT'S GONE FOREVER.I DEFEND ALL THAT I WAS GIVEN TO ME BY CHRIST. GOD BLESS AMERICA & ISRAEL!!! I SEE I HAVE NO REPLIES.REPLY PEOPLE.I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.

    • Joe

      Jesus was referring to" the sword of the spirit which is the word of God." When Peter ( my favorite of all the apostles by the way, cut off the ear of the soldier with his sword, Jesus told him to "put it away." Then Jesus restored that mans ear.
      I do agree that we should have a fire arm for protection ( if we are skilled in gun safety and are using every precaution to keep that weapon out of the hand of children or drug and alcohol abusers. I see no point in being afraid to have a gun in the home if using good common sense and safety. But unfortunately there are too many folks now who are not using good sense and who are on drugs or alcohol or who are just stupid. If we could get those guns out of those peoples hands we would be doing a world of good. Not to mention keeping firearms out of the hands of trigger happy insane people with way too much anger. ( Jesus would not NEED a gun!) Does not need a gun .

      • hot02rod

        THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY.

  • giley

    The Hollywood elite and liberal goes along with what is presently clicking in their celebrity. People that think that just by being nice you're going to be okay, are living in dreamland. As long as they're humans living on Planet Earth they're will always be someone who wants to enslave or control the rest. We must always be vigil and be ready to defend ouselves and that means having our guns for self protection and to discourage those who would enslave us.

  • PMc

    I agree with you, good for that mother. I believe that the reason this country became free and has stayed a free country is because law abiding citizens own guns. When we won our independence the British not only fought the military, but plain citizens that were armed.

  • http://www.kidon.com/media-link MalikTous

    I promote the idea that gun control laws should be banned and that all gun control should be repealed back to the 1860s. I would have a temporary program of heavy promotion for shooting ranges alongside simple laws declaring each person responsible for the weapon he or she carries. Every USA citizen should learn that being able to hit what you shoot at and never aiming or pointing the weapon at other than targets is a natural part of citizenship. Everything done by scum like Komrad Klinton, Traitor Johnson, and at the end of Al Capone's career should be scrapped. The idea is that many citizens sign on under a deputy program as well so we can reduce the number of cops we need - though we do need enough police to take charge when a full (well-regulated) militia is required. Nonlethal weapons would also be promoted, including pepper spray, riot rounds for firearms, tasers, and simple clubs. Things like a 'breathing bonus' to encourage turning suspects or captives live to the judge would minimise errors on the part of people apprehending crooks.

    Kick the entire anti-gun lobby out of the USA. Exile them for un-American activities.

  • vincent

    RhSchumann, we were founded as a REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. The Founding Fathers did not want a TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY.

    You seem to be enamored with the sight of pacified, unarmed Jewish citizens meekly boarding the trains.

    I wonder why Switzerland was not invaded by the National Socialist madman? I am sure it had nothing to do with a heavily armed population. Must have been the cheese!

  • Maxine

    I live in Missouri and Emmanual Cleaver is a lier and a A--Hole In my book and He needs to be out of Office as soon as we can get him out

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    Two family members, myself included, armed ourselves this
    past year. My daughter will join us carrying this year! Why?
    Better safe than sorry!

  • Pastor Carmen

    Thank you Mom for saving your son. They will have to try and take away my Guns.

  • joaniek

    with 900+ felons on the loose u r going to need a gun to protect you and yours.

  • http://www.dickhamerblog.com Dick

    Thanks to Raymond for his intelligent, fact-based contributions to an argument we all stand to lose if the liberals (ever) get their way!

  • nik

    So tell us then why a peer reviewed study by the New England Journal of Medicine found that people with guns in the home were 3 times more likely to be murdered than people without guns in the home. Get a clue Bojidar (and don't shoot it).

    • Pleasepassthetea

      Because the people conducting the study wanted a certain result and they did what they had to do to get that result. Kind of like those frauds in England who cooked the data in order to "prove" that global warming was good science!!!! Getting the facts these days can be a challenge. And you certainly aren't getting the facts if you're listening to CNN or MSNBC or if you're reading the NY Times. Or, apparently, reading a study in the New England Journal of Medicine.

  • http://www.dauntlesspost.com douglasdauntless

    If we give our guns we give our freedom and our lives. Our guns are the only thing that keeps us free and alive

  • Kwas

    While i am a supporter of the right to own firearms for personal and familial protection, I think we should agree that even with this right, there has to be limits and restrictions. One should NOT be able to just go into their local K-MART or WalMart and pick up a 9MM, like one would buy a pen and pencil set. And YES, just as the citizen MUST have training to be able to drive an automobile, it makes PERFECT sense to assure that owners of firearms undergo some sort of TRAINING to determine mechanical and psychological competence.

    Sorry guys, whatever happened in the back hills of the Ozarks or Hill-billy land when YOU were growing up in your town of 20 people, which included the Mayor, Sheriff and Justice of the Peace, is NOT applicable to large, urban cities of millions.

    Personally, I'm moved by the story of the Philadelphia mother who saved her son's life, as I'm sure even the bleeding heart liberals, who are chant "OMM" and preach "Ahimsa" are as well.

    And for those giving a history lesson about what happened in Russia, China and Germany, do you really BELIEVE your pea-shooters are going to guarantee your safety and life, if those "boot-jacketed thugs" come marching at your door? Even with the aforementioned examples, while obviously, the job of subduing the citizens was made easier by their not having guns, don't think for a moment, with tanks, planes and missles, it wouldn't be a matter of time before they achieved COMPLETE dominance and submission.

    • Doug Rodrigues

      Using your "logic," kitchen knives should be banned because people have been stabbed to death. Baseball bats, short lengths of rope, a pipe, automobiles, poisons, etc., etc., should all be banned because they have killed people

  • Tony theDude

    ToJames who grew up in West Virginia, I would like to remind you that West Virginia is a YANKEE STATE, and that next year it will celbrate its sesquicentennial as one.

  • DianaLynn

    Faith and truth, people. These, alone, will get us through until November.....then we "CLEAN HOUSE".

  • William

    ATTENTION all 2nd Amendment voters. Please click the link below to the NAGR (National Association for Gun Rights) homepage.

    After each candidate announced his or her of contention for the GOP Nomination, Dudley Brown (Executive Director NAGR) acting on behalf of the NAGR and it's members did send a copy of the "NAGR's 2nd Amendment Survey" to each candidate.

    The survey is designed offer verification of each candidates position in regards to the the 2nd Amendment.

    As of this posting only 3 have returned their surveys. Ron Paul, Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain.

    Despite repeated requests by the NAGR and it's members, RickSantorum, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry still refuse to return their surveys.

    By their refusals Santorum, Romney, Gingrich and Perry have denied the American people the right to know where they stand on this vital issue.

    Please use the link, read the information and then contact these candidates and demand that they return the completed surveys to Dudley Brown and the NAGR.

    These candidates want our support, but refuse to enter written testimony as to their positions on the Second Amendment. We have the right to know where they stand.
    http://www.nationalgunrights.org/

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ SurvivingUrbanCrisis.com

    That democrat party mentality along with obama signing the latest NDAA stripping US citizens of the right to a fair trial, incarceration by the military on vague and unproven charges and could be held there in Gitmo indefinitely, is why nobody with common sense trusts the govt.
    This may be the 'final straw' year when things pop.
    Click the name, see the website, prepare now.

  • Thomas

    PREPARE people,that means arm yourselfs,bad times are a coming. BE READY

  • KHM

    @ Raymond,
    Great stats on what gun control does and has done in the 20th century!

  • rycsailor

    The anti-gunners are the same type that subscribe to the concept that government will care for you, that more people receiving taxpayer's largess means more votes and that the peon citizen is only present to vote for incumbents. The unfortunate fact is that the large majority of firearms owners don't vocalize or support the organizations that oppose gun control. They sit on the sidelines assuming the other guy will do the hard pulling and contribute. 80,000,000 gun owners and 4,000,000 members of the NRA tells the story. If the gun owners would finally unite, all the rhetoric about gun control would be a mute point.

  • Doc

    Better a gun in hand than a cop on the phone. Most of the time cops don't stop crime they just investigate it after it happens. An armed society is a polite society. That Cleaver guy from Missouri sounds like one of those eugenics guys.

  • julian

    Gun laws did not stop our attorney general from buying guns with our money and giving them to criminals. But he wants a law preventing us from defending ourselves against armed criminals. Many thngs sound good on paper even cold fusion, but in reality every case of gun control has resulted in more violent crime. We have to live in reality wether some want to or not. As far as some nuts who go beserk, well lack of a gun will not stop them there are many lethal objects and some will do much more horrific damage than you can do with a gun. An old presidential commission created a book titled 'Violence in America', it starts out talking about a family chopped up with a wood ax. Many facts and conclusions in the book, it will never be referenced by gun control advocates.

  • Grecko

    Usually 300lbs too heavy!! Run 200 ft and die!

  • Bill

    5 words for someone who tries to take my self protection and hunting rights. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!

    • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

      Great movie line, basically unrealistic!

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    The Dark Side of Faith
    by Rosa Brooks

    It's official: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.

    This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of "popular religiosity" and various "quantifiable societal health" indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.

    Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.

    He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

    This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on "values." Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to "values," if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.

    Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were "red" in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.

    Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around.

    Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of "faith-based" social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.

    We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational.

    This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.

    The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being?

    Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent.

    My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful.

    To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry.

    And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous.

    • GQ4U

      Man's Wisdom? How to twist facts to fit your scheme. Consider the following.

      BLACK ON BLACK CRIME STATISTICS: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&am...
      Blacks account for 13% of the U.S. population, but were victims of nearly half, about 8,000, homicides in 2005.
      http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html
      Statistics alone, show that blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 51.2% of the murders, this indicates that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of murders.
      43% of all murder victims in 2007 were African American, 93.1% of whom were killed were African Americans.
      (Find the societal, religious, moral solution to what haunts the Black community to bring the murder rate down to the level of Whites and save 7,500 lives per year.
      (Can't legislation fix this? Is this just a step in the evolutionary chain? GQ4U)
      http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime1999.pdf
      Blacks commit violent crimes at four to eight times the white rate. Hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate. Blacks are 250 times more likely to do criminal violence to whites than the reverse.
      http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&am...
      One-quarter of the crime victims who are shot are young black males. (15-24 years of age)
      http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf
      Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. 45% of their victims are white, 43% black, and 10% Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three (3) percent of their victims are black.
      Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
      (Based on Evolution's survival of the fittest & statistics, the first race wiped out will be Blacks, then Hispanics & finally Whites, leaving peace loving Asians to populate our tomorrows. {prediction based on DOJ murder statistics by race} GQ4U)

      (If statistics mean anything, couldn't Congress reduce the murder rate by 50% or more, if they simply banned Blacks from having guns? Of course this would violate Blacks Second Amendment RIGHTS but, hey, Congress does that to us every single day. Or why not ban religion based on Gregory S. Paul's stats and make the world a better, safer place? Of course this would violate everyone's First Amendment RIGHTS but, hey, its worth it. The point is, you can compile all sorts of disjointed evidence to support every harebrained law or evolutionary scientists parlor tricks, to control large flocks of people. Imagine, an evolutionist tweaking statistics to debunk creations Creator... I know I'm shocked! We don't hear much from real scientists anymore. Don;t believe me, look into the pseudo science behind the "Anthropomorphic Global Warming" hoax from the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit email controversy. Academia at its pinnacle of falsehood; even Gregory S. Paul could celebrate the downfall of the "Earth First" RELIGIOUS Zealots and their ongoing danger to society.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities...
      If you rank violent crime by city you get an entirely different picture. Most major cities are left leaning liberal strongholds, where Secularists, Evolutionists and Atheists thrive. Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Chicago... and many many more are crime cesspools because Christian values have given way to the "Me First" value system. It will collapse due to a complete lack of a solid foundation. Absolutism (narcissism) means never having to say you're wrong and that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous!

      Liberty & a Democratic Republic rely on a strong moral populace based on Judeo-Christian values such as the ones used to establish the Constitution's "Bill of Rights." Secular Humanists, Evolutionists & Atheists have no moral base or rudder, they are adrift in a sea of collective ego centrism that defines right from wrong based on how one feels today, and tomorrow, when a new leader arises in their ranks a new morality rises with them. Thanks, but no thanks! I like my moral code to be the same yesterday, today & forever. GQ4U)

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    Highest murder rate states: La, MD, NV, AL, SC, MS, AZ, Ark, MI, CA, NM, TN, GA- what do the top 15 states have most in common? They are "Red" states and they have lax gun control and ownership laws .http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/183526-ranking-states-murder-rate.html- call them a liar!

    • Robert

      Rat finckle
      You need to check the violent crime list again

    • traveler

      MD,NM, have been liberal democrap states for decades. in fact MD recently changes it's name to the peoples republic of MD. How can NV be red when they elected harry (dumber then dirt) Ried??

  • toogood61

    Chris P, there are bad people who live in our world, look at what happened to the Jews, through out history there have been people that have been forced to turn in their guns and then the killing begins. The dictators of the world are afraid of people that have a way to defend themselves. I carry concealed because it is my right to defend myself. I am not a paranoid freak, I just want to be prepared! I was taught to respect and use a gun properly, I don't go around showing my gun in public because it can intimidate some people. I have been trained by several different fire arms instructors to use a gun safely. The state of CO also made me demonstrate to them that I can handle a gun. That in itself should be enough for people to realize that I'm not the threat. However that doesn't give a person that is scared of guns the right to think that all gun owners are irresponsible.

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    The Social Dysfunction of the red States by-Ed Brayton - call him a liar!

    The same dismal pattern applies to a wide array of measures of social dysfunction and pathology. 8 of the top 10 states with the highest murder rates are squarely in Red America. 7 of the 10 states with the lowest murder rates were in the Kerry column. (Interestingly, six of those states have no death penalty statute.) The 10 states with the highest divorce rates in 1998 all went for Bush in 2004. Red states constituted 9 on the top 10 in terms of out-of-wedlock births. And the Bible Belt has the greatest percentage of births to women under age 20, with the worst 15 states nationwide all among in the GOP ranks. By almost any measure of societal breakdown that so-called Republican "values voters" decry, it is Red State America where moral failure is greatest. http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/06/the_so...

  • Bill

    I don't think the government knows what it is up against if they do indeed try to take guns away from law abiding American citizens. We have so many gun owners who simply will not give in without an actual fight. Who would enforce this law? The military and law enforcement is made up of what? Armed citizens!!!

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    Red States Have a Higher Crime Rate than Blue States- Eric Ostermeier (call him a liar, clods!)

    A Smart Politics analysis of the recently released 2008 Uniform Crime Reports finds that red states across the nation have both higher violent and property crime rates than blue states, across several measures of partisanship.

    The average violent crime rate (murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault) in 2008 for the 28 states that voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential election was 389 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 22 states that voted for John McCain was 412 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 5.8 percent higher incidence of violent crime.

    For example, 2 of the top 3 states with the highest violent crime rates in the nation in 2008 voted for McCain: South Carolina (#1) and Tennessee (#3). (Nevada was #2).

    The difference was even more pronounced for property crimes (burglary, larceny-theft, and motor vehicle theft). Obama states had an average property crime rate of 2,989 incidents per 100,000 residents, with McCain states averaging a rate of 3,228 - or an 8.0 percent higher incidence of property crime.

    Eight of the top 11 states with the highest property crime rates voted for McCain: Arizona (#1), South Carolina (#2), Alabama (#4), Tennessee (#6), Georgia (#7), Texas (#8), Arkansas (#10), and Louisiana (#11).

    These crime rate findings hold despite the fact that blue states have a higher population of residents in urban areas, which tend to have higher crime rates than rural areas. According to the U.S. Census Bureau's 2000 Census of Population and Housing, Population and Housing Unit Counts, the average statewide percentage of residents living in urban areas in the Obama states was 78.0 percent, compared to a statewide average of just 64.6 percent in the McCain states.

    The red state/blue state crime data split also holds true across other measures of statewide partisan groupings.

    For example, a Smart Politics analysis of partisan control of state legislatures finds the 27 states with Democratic-controlled legislatures with an average violent crime rate of 390 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 14 states with Republican-controlled legislatures was 11.1 percent higher, at 433 incidents per 100,000 residents. (The rate was lowest among eight states with split partisan control - at 382).

    There was also a double-digit percentage difference for property crime rates among the states with Democratic and Republican controlled legislatures. For Democratic-controlled states, the property crime rate was 3,044 incidents per 100,000 residents compared to 3,351 incidents per 100,000 residents for Republican-controlled states - or a 10.1 percent higher rate under GOP legislative control.

    The differences in the rate of violent and property crimes between states along partisan lines by control of the governor's office were less stark, but still pointed in the same direction. The 22 states with Republican governors had a 0.4 percent higher violent crime rate in 2008 (400 incidents per 100,000 residents) than the 28 states with Democratic governors (398) as well as a 6.0 percent higher property crime rate (3,196 for GOP states and 3,014 for Democratic states).

    So here is the chicken and egg question: are states with high crime rates electing Republicans because the GOP is perceived to be tougher on crime and thus are more likely to take action to fix the state's crime problems, or are Republican policies to combat crime proving less effective than Democratic policies and thus resulting in higher crime rates?

    One thing is for certain: 2008 is not an aberration.

    Looking back to the 2004 Presidential election, the 19 states that voted for Democrat John Kerry had an average violent crime rate in 2004 of 361 incidents per 100,000 residents. The 31 states that voted for George W. Bush had an average violent crime rate that year of 419 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 16.3 percent higher rate. Bush states also had an 18.6 percent higher rate of property crimes in 2004 (3,648 incidents per 100,000 residents) than the Kerry states (3,077).

    There are, to be sure, many other variables to be considered other than partisanship when examining the different rates of crime between states. For example, red states tend to be less affluent than blue states. The average statewide per capita income in 2008 for the 28 states voting for Obama was 19.4 percent higher ($45,752) than in the 22 states voting for McCain ($38,333).

    The per capita income difference was still present, although less pronounced, when grouping states by partisan control of the legislature and the governor's office. States with Democratic-controlled legislatures have an 11.1 percent higher per capita income ($44,470) than states with Republican-controlled legislatures ($40,018). States with Democratic governors had a 2.5 percent higher per capita income in 2008 ($42,955) than those with Republican governors ($41,892).

    Red State vs. Blue State Crime Rates by Different Partisan Groupings http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2009/0...

  • http://advocates-wvox.com Rjgarfunkel

    South's high murder rate is key factor in why U.S. homicide rate is so high (More info-they are all liars aren't they?)

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation found that Southern states have the highest murder rates.

    And experts believe the high Southern murder rate is a key factor behind America's high homicide rate in comparison with other democratic, industrialized nations, according to an article in The New York Times.

    They note that much of the distinction in murder rates between the South and other sections of the country comes from a difference in the character of Southern homicide.

    It was found that many murders in the South are of a personal and traditional nature such as a barroom brawl, a quarrel between acquaintances or a fight between lovers. In other places, the newspaper reported, homicides usually begin with another crime like a botched robbery, and typically involve strangers.

    In 1996, the U.S. murder rate was 7.4 per 100,000 people. The rate that same year state by state showed 12 of the 20 states with the highest murder rates are in the South.

    States topping the list of murders per 100,000: Louisiana (17.5), Mississippi (11.1), Alabama (10.4), Tennessee (9.5) and South Carolina (9.0).
    COPYRIGHT 1998 Johnson Publishing Co.
    COPYRIGHT 2008 Gale, Cengage Learning http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n1...

  • Lauralee Hensley

    As a victim of a horrendous crime at age 12, and quite possibly almost a victim a year ago, I now own a gun. My husband got it for me as self-protection. Hats off to the neighbor a year ago that alerted me to the fact that I was being followed by a man in a truck when I was out walking our new dog. I was so intent on training the new dog to heal, I wasn't paying attention to things around me.

  • GQ4U

    Supreme Court cases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Center_to_Prev...
    U.S. Supreme Court rulings in 2008 and 2010 have affirmed the right of citizens to own and use firearms in their homes for self-defense. District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) ruled that the Second Amendment was an individual (rather than collective) right, like the rest of the Bill of Rights. McDonald v. Chicago (2010) ruled that the Second Amendment was incorporated against the states under the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and struck down a Chicago ordinance banning handguns. In both cases the Brady Campaign stated they were worried a decrease in government regulation of firearms would result in more gun deaths and gun violence.
    (CDC Task Force Report, demonstrates gun bans laws have no effect, Brady Campaign worries are unfounded; see below)

    CDC Task Force: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2...
    During 2000-2002, a Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes. Although firearms related injuries in the United States have declined since 1993, they remained the second leading cause of injury mortality in 2000, (1). Of 28,663 firearms-related deaths in 2000 --- an average of 79 per day---16,586 (57.9%) were suicides, 10,801 (37.7%) were homicides, 776 (2.7%) were unintentional, and an additional 500 (1.7%) were legal interventions. Results of studies on bans on specific firearms and ammunition were inconsistent, certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases.

    http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx...

    Crimes per 100,000 population

    Total Violent Crime

    Aggravated Assault

    Year

    Murder

    Rape

    Robbery

    1991

    758.1

    9.8

    42.3

    272.7

    433.3

    2010

    403.6

    4.8

    27.2

    119.9

    252.0

    Trend, 1991-2010

    -47%

    -51%

    -35%

    -56%

    -41%

    Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the National Institutes of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun control reduces crime.
    Over the last quarter-century, many federal, state and local gun control laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive. There are now 40 Right-to-Carry states, an all-time high, up from 10 in 1987.

    (It seems that violent crimes have gone down as our Constitutional RIGHTS to bear arms, are restored. GQ4U)

    BLACK ON BLACK CRIME STATISTICS: http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html
    Statistics alone, show that blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 51.2% of the murders, this indicates that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of murders.
    43% of all murder victims in 2007 were African American, 93.1% of whom were killed were African Americans.
    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&am...
    Blacks account for 13% of the U.S. population, but were victims of nearly half, about 8,000, homicides in 2005.
    http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime1999.pdf
    Blacks commit violent crimes at four to eight times the white rate. Hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate. Blacks are 250 times more likely to do criminal violence to whites than the reverse.
    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&am...
    "One-quarter of the crime victims who are shot are young black males." (15 - 24 years of age)
    =============================
    (If statistics mean anything, Congress could reduce the murder rate by 50% or more, if they simply banned Blacks from having guns.
    Of course this would violate Blacks Second Amendment RIGHTS but, hey, Congress does that to us every single day.
    I don't believe banning works for any of us... but liberty does. GQ4U)

  • howardfrombroward

    democrat-controlled states--higher taxes, less net personal income. these shake-down thugs are anti-gun for a reason.

  • Jim

    I grew up in New England and I can tell you that Yankees are not so stupid about guns. Many homes kept a gun on hand and most country folks had one in the corner by the door. In those days children were taught to mind. They didn't touch things that they were told not to. Therefore they were trusted. I had my .22 at age 11 and was taught to use use it responsibly and was allowed to hunt squirrels which were made into great pot pies by my Mom. Today most kids seem to ignore everything they are told. We have to keep our weapons locked up, unloaded with the ammo locked up in a different location. That's the law and if your kid gets your gun and is caught with it, you can be prosecuted. That makes having a gun for protection absolutely worthless. It also makes an awful lot of us lawbreakers. My gun is handy and is loaded.

  • Charlie

    I really don't like guns. But, I dislike the idea of an unarmed citizenry even more. I also have zero ability to shoot- been there, tried that, and was begged by the instructor to promise to never attempt it again.

    I believe it was Franklin that said "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. A republic gives the sheep a gun."

    I really do wonder about the future of our republic sometimes with these clowns running it.

    Excuse me, I need to go arm my flock.

  • Angel

    What many don't or can't see is that the police have no legal obligation to protect the people. http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-police-arent-l...
    http://hematite.com/dragon/policeprot.html..........

    So, if you think the cops are always going to come to your rescue...think again. 10 minutes out...means they are probably taking their time...IF they even come at all!

  • BOB

    Good and true story, far to many idiots out there wanting to restrict everyones right to keep and bear arms. Like in Delaware they are trying to make it illegal to have or own a gun if you live in apartments and public housing witch the NRA is fighting. Yes i know what goes on in public housing is alot of bad crap but the criminals are going to keep there guns no matter what. They are just taking away the right of the few good people to protect themselves.

  • Link Hogtrob

    "... the Democrat obsession with gun control."
    Any totalitarian regime must first disarm its' subjects. Obsession explained.

  • poacher

    this is a big concern for me in choosing a candidate. i do not care for the records of santorum, gingrich or romney.
    i want to make sure they understand the 2nd amendment was first about defense from the government. i want to be sure they understand the constitution and bill of rights are not negotiable. they do not have the authority to regulate, tax, adjust or tinker with these God or nature given rights in any way. i want them to be uncompromising on their oath of office.
    i carried on the road for about 20 years. the 2nd was my permit. now that i no longer travel to make a living i only carry when i feel i should. the 2nd is still my permit.

  • William

    The gunman would have got away if the mother had not shot him. Good for her.!

  • http://yahoo.com I miss America

    So I could be hangin' with my homies at a breakfast buffet. And some clown after his cheating wife comes in and starts shooting. And I am the only one in a crowd of 53, after church services, that has a gun... Should I turn the other cheek? Thou shalt not kill..Or duck under a table, and pray? Or should I do my duty as an American Citizen, Christian Prior Army service, and shoot back? Knowing that shooting back will save many lives of innocents? America, You Tell Me. What if Gifford's shooting could have been prevented that way? Tell Me.

    • Robert K. Webb

      "A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways".
      You have to decide for yourself what your course of action will be-NOW.
      Not post mortem! It's too late to decide once the bullets start flying, son.

  • Daniel

    If you are anti-second amendment, I am ANTI-YOU. Danny

  • Pastor Carmen

    Anti-Gun lovers how many People are killed each year Accidentally by Legal Gun owners that abide by the law? How many people are killed each year By Non-law abiding criminals? Why not make cars, truck's Illegal for they kill 50000 people a Year. No, it is people that kill people not the Object they use, So please stop blaming the weapon of choice Blame the Person doing it.

  • LuscombeFlyer

    Both sides of the gun control issue can quote an endless stream of studies, statistics, facts (or what they pass off as facts), beliefs and ample amounts of bullpoop in defense of their opinion.

    But here's the bottom line: The Declaration of Independence affirms that I have an inalienable right to my life, and by necessary extension, to self defense. The second amendment to the Constitution guarantees that the government will not deny me those rights. Therefore, I choose to assert and exercise the right to protect my life even to the point of using deadly force to do so. If you don't like guns, then don't carry one. I will.

  • djw663

    "The right to bear arms" sound familiar? It is guaranteed in our Constitution. If everyone had a gun most crimes would never happen. Responsible gun ownership and gun safety should be taught to anyone who wants to have a gun and everyone should be able to have a gun except felons or career criminals.

  • Bill in AZ

    Here in Az we don't need a concealed carry permit. We pack and do so with civility. We call it freedom.

  • john

    I believe in GUN CONTROL--------I control my breathing and heartbeat so I am better able to hit the small dot in the center of either the bulls eye or the center line between the eyes just above the nose. Chris P above thinks that man kind enjoys shooting people ??? Completely the opposite. No person enjoys killing or hurting other people except crazy criminals. it is those people that I carry a piece to protect myself or others that may be put in harms way.
    I suppose that makes me a bad person who takes delight in hurting bad people ???
    Whatever people think of me I care not I do believe in CONTROLLING MY GUN SO AS NOT TO HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE.

  • http://lorienjohnson.com Lorien Johnson

    Cleaver is, indeed, one of the worst opponents of Second Amendment rights. Those of us in Kansas City are determined to expel him and his unconstitutional, discriminatory policies from the fifth district of Missouri! Personally, I am supporting Jacob Turk for the congressional seat. He is a sound conservative, a former Marine, and has committed to protecting our rights. His position on gun rights is on his website at: http://turkforcongress.org/index.php?page=issues&amp;...

  • sonnieC

    In this day and age I always carry my weapon with me. When I retire for the night my weapon is on my nightstand. When I leave my house the weapon is on my hip.

  • Deanna

    Luckily for those of us in the 5th district we have a candidate for Cleaver's seat who fully understands the need for the Second Amendment and opposes the infringements upon it by people like Emmanuel Cleaver and his ilk. Folks, if you can, please help Jacob Turk unseat Cleaver once and for all. This is vitally important as Congressional voting affects ALL of us not just those in a certain Congressman's district. Cleaver MUST go. Jacob is the man for the job. http://www.turkforcongress.com

  • Detonics

    To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in Downtown Pittsburgh night before last... Date: 12-12-11, 1:43 AM EST.

    I was the guy wearing the black Burberry jacket that you demanded that I hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on my girlfriend, threatening our lives and me.

    You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings.

    I can only hope that you somehow come across this rather important message.

    First, I'd like to apologize for your embarrassment when I drew my pistol after you took my Jacket. The evening was not that cold, and I was wearing the jacket for a reason.

    My girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber Model 1911 .45 A CP pistol for my birthday, and we had picked up a shoulder holster for it that very evening.

    Obviously you agree that it is a very Intimidating weapon when pointed at your head wasn't it?

    I know it probably wasn't fun walking back to wherever you'd come from bare footed since I made you leave your shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. [That prevented you from calling or running to your buddies to come help mug us again].

    After I called your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, I explained the entire episode of what you'd done. Then I went and filled up my gas tank as well as four other people's in the gas station on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful!

    I gave your shoes to a homeless guy outside Hard Rock Cafe at StationSquare, along with all the cash in your wallet. [That made his day!]

    I then threw your wallet into the big pink "pimp mobile" that was parked at the curb ... After I broke the windshield and side window and keyed the entire driver's side of the car.

    Later, I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone.
    Ma Bell just now shut down the line, although I only used the phone for a little over a day now, so what's going on with that?

    Earlier, I managed to get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI , while mentioning President Obama as my possible target. The FBI guy seemed really intense and we had a nice long chat (I guess while he traced your number etc.).

    In a way, perhaps I should apologize for not killing you ... But I feel this type of retribution is a far more appropriate punishment for your threatened crime. I wish you well as you try to sort through some of these rather immediate pressing issues, and can only hope that you have the opportunity to reflect upon, and perhaps reconsider the career path you've chosen to pursue in life.

    Remember, next time you might not be so lucky.

    Have a good day!

    Thoughtfully yours,
    David

    P.S. Remember this motto.
    . An armed society makes for a more civil society!

  • Detonics

    The World's Largest Army

    I bet you didn’t know this. . .

    In WWII, Japan's highest-ranking naval officer was Isoruku Yamamoto. Although he was Japanese, and his loyalties were unquestionably with The Empire, he studied for many years in America, graduating from Harvard University. There is an oft-repeated (and sometimes disputed) quote attributed to him regarding the possibility of any nation taking a war to American soil:

    "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

    Here is why he was correct:

    America's Hunters. The World's Largest Army.

    The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That's great, considering there were over 600,000 hunters that got permits this year.

    Allow me to restate that number: 600,000

    Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world - more men under arms than Iran; more than France and Germany combined - deployed to the woods of a single American state to keep the deer population under control.

    But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan's 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia, and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

    And that is just FOUR states.

    The total population of registered hunters in America today ranges from 23 million to 43.7 million individuals. (Based on annual data provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.) As long as the American Hunter retains his right to Bear Arms, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops.

    Hunting – it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of National Security.