Will Muslim Students be Allowed to Pray in School?

Christian students have been told by the ACLU and the courts that they cannot read the Bible, pray, and cannot talk or sing about Jesus Christ in the public schools.  In some instances, they’ve been punished for expressing their Christian values when they say something like homosexuality is a sin and wrong.

Now, some Pennsylvania parents in the West Shore School District are anxious to see if the school district is going to allow Muslim students the chance to pray during the school day.  At the moment, the school district has not said anything about the situation or even if they will act upon it, but there are a number of eyes waiting and watching to see if and what they do.

Attorney John Rutherford, founder of The Rutherford Institute, is also watching to see if the school district will take any action and what that action will be.  He said,

"Whether it's a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, a Muslim -- if it's required by their faith, they should be able to do it in a public school.  It just has to be evenhanded. There are certain things that certain faiths require, and the schools should respect that.

"I have run into very few teachers or especially higher-up principals and superintendents who know anything about the First Amendment.  They just heard about the so-called 'separation of church and state.'"

In 1998, then President Bill Clinton issued a statement to educators nationwide explaining the guidelines on Religious Expression in Public Schools that were issued back in August of 1995.  In his statement, Clinton wrote,

“These guidelines continue to reflect two basic and equally important obligations imposed on public school officials by the First Amendment. First, schools may not forbid students acting on their own from expressing their personal religious views or beliefs solely because they are of a religious nature. Schools may not discriminate against private religious expression by students, but must instead give students the same right to engage in religious activity and discussion as they have to engage in other comparable activity. Generally, this means that students may pray in a nondisruptive manner during the school day when they are not engaged in school activities and instruction, subject to the same rules of order that apply to other student speech.

At the same time, schools may not endorse religious activity or doctrine, nor may they coerce participation in religious activity. Among other things, of course, school administrators and teachers may not organize or encourage prayer exercises in the classroom. Teachers, coaches and other school officials who act as advisors to student groups must remain mindful that they cannot engage in or lead the religious activities of students…

First, school districts should use these guidelines to revise or develop their own district wide policy regarding religious expression. In developing such a policy, school officials can engage parents, teachers, the various faith communities and the broader community in a positive dialogue to define a common ground that gives all parties the assurance that when questions do arise regarding religious expression the community is well prepared to apply these guidelines to specific cases. The Davis County School District in Farmington, Utah, is an example of a school district that has taken the affirmative step of developing such a policy.

At a time of increasing religious diversity in our country such a proactive step can help school districts create a framework of civility that reaffirms and strengthens the community consensus regarding religious liberty. School districts that do not make the effort to develop their own policy may find themselves unprepared for the intensity of the debate that can engage a community when positions harden around a live controversy involving religious expression in public schools.

Second, I encourage principals and administrators to take the additional step of making sure that teachers, so often on the front line of any dispute regarding religious expression, are fully informed about the guidelines. The Gwinnett County School system in Georgia, for example, begins every school year with workshops for teachers that include the distribution of these presidential guidelines. Our nation's schools of education can also do their part by ensuring that prospective teachers are knowledgeable about religious expression in the classroom.

Third, I encourage schools to actively take steps to inform parents and students about religious expression in school using these guidelines. The Carter County School District in Elizabethton, Tennessee, included the subject of religious expression in a character education program that it developed in the fall of 1997. This effort included sending home to every parent a copy of the "Parent's Guide to Religion in the Public Schools."

Help is available for those school districts that seek to develop policies on religious expression. I have enclosed a list of associations and groups that can provide information to school districts and parents who seek to learn more about religious expression in our nation's public schools.

In addition, citizens can turn to the U.S. Department of Education web site  for information about the guidelines and other activities of the Department that support the growing effort of educators and religious communities to support the education of our nation's children.

Finally, I encourage teachers and principals to see the First Amendment as something more than a piece of dry, old parchment locked away in the national attic gathering dust. It is a vital living principle, a call to action, and a demand that each generation reaffirm its connection to the basic idea that is America -- that we are a free people who protect our freedoms by respecting the freedom of others who differ from us.”

According to my information, these guidelines have never been rescinded or altered and are still in effect.  And if you read the full guidelines, you have to wonder why so many schools are making rulings that violate them.

But the question at hand is what is the West Shore School District going to do about their Muslim students whose religion requires them to pray multiple times a time?  And if they do make allow the Muslim student to pray at school, will they allow students of other religions, especially Christians, to pray during school?


  • JRG

    This country, The United States of America, is no longer United. It should be called what it is.....The Divided States of America. We are no longer one America. We are a mix of cultures that refuse to blend into the American way of life. Instead, the new cultures (Especially Muslims) want America to blend into their way of life. I'm glad I lived during the United States of America era. It was really great to have been part of a Christian Principled America with prayer and the pledge of allegience in schools. No anti-American groups like the ACLU, CAIR, La Raza, etc. Not having to worry about multi-culturalism. We could joke with each other about our ethnicities (polish, German, Italian, etc jokes) and we laughed instead of calling each other racist and getting offended. I believe the Divided States of America is past the point of no return. I will miss the United States of America and feel sorry for the young people who will never experience this. America was great while it lasted. Bye USA.....!

    • screeminmeeme

      Well said..and sadly, I have to agree with you. I too lived thru that era and grieve for a world lost.

      • daves

        Shame on Godfather for misrepresenting the ACLU. This is what they say:

        Students have the right to pray individually or in groups or to discuss their religious views with their peers so long as they are not disruptive. Because the Establishment Clause does not apply to purely private speech, students enjoy the right to read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, pray before tests, and discuss religion with other willing student listeners. In the classroom students have the right to pray quietly except when required to be actively engaged in school activities (e.g., students may not decide to pray just as a teacher calls on them). In informal settings, such as the cafeteria or in the halls, students may pray either audibly or silently, subject to the same rules of order as apply to other speech in these locations. However, the right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include, for example, the right to have a captive audience listen or to compel other students to participate.
        http://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/joint-stateme...

        • evantoo

          Shame on you, Dave. What the ACLU says, and what it DOES, are not always the same. I suggest you do a broader search for who and what they have sued.
          You might also note that the ACLU interprets the Constitution to say what it wants it to say, constantly waffling back and forth between saying the "Founder's intent" and the "living Constitution's interpretation"..
          They want it both way and are always pushing their agenda by using it both ways.
          Sorry, your comment does not meet the acid test.

        • daves

          This link below shows many fights the ACLU has taken up for Christians. Can you please give me an example of one case that contradicts their stated position on school prayer? Just one?
          http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/

        • PJS

          liberal zombie in favor of the aclu

        • daves

          So no one could give me an example of the ACLU taking prayer from students in school? Other than school sponsored prayer that is.

        • Mike

          I grew up in schools that said the Pledge and a morning prayer EVERY morning before classes.

          WHO forced THAT to Stop, DAVE? Clue: 4 letter word, starts with letter A, second letter C, started by admitted Communists. Need to buy a vowel?

        • daves

          And I agree with that - that is an example of Government sponsoring religion.

          We said the pledge in school when I was a child also. Did you know it was written by a Socialist?

          Did you know that until the 1950's it did not say "Under God"?

        • Myrtlelinder

          Of course, they will!! That is what it is all about and our Government is well aware of it.

        • BruceInCA

          No, under fear of suit by the ACLU, schools do not allow ANY of the prayer activity of which you speak.

        • BruceInCA

          Daves, is it not disruptive for Muslims to kneel and bow towards Meca several times during the school day? I am aware of demands that Muslims be provided rooms in which they may pray several times a day. Christians will be afforded no such privilege.

        • daves

          It could be.

        • PJS

          liberal zombie posting from daves

        • daves

          Why can't you argue the facts?

        • skai

          Daves. How come you are odd man out? We never had this problem decades ago, how come since the muslims started coming in large numbers into America and also converting indigenous naive people to Islam ,we never had this problem? Are you a muslims by any chance? just curious.

        • daves

          Nope - I was baptized and raised Catholic.

          There are still a lot of anti-Catholics in this country. If I don't fight for the Muslims religious freedom I could end up fighting for my own. My point though, is that everything the ACLU does helps keep me free to worship as I please.

    • Upaces

      I grew up in schools that said the Pledge and a morning prayer EVERY morning before classes.

      IF they are going to stop prayers in school? Then Muslims shouldn't be able to pray either. Put that in your hookah and smoke it!

    • Tommy

      You hit the nail right on the head JRG. If Christians can't pray in school how come the Muslims get preferential treatment ? God Bless America...

      • daves

        Who ever told you that Christians cannot pray in school? It simply is not true.

        • kid777

          Yes they can pray... as long as no one else is around to hear them (the no captive audiance clause) and may offend someone. And NO Christians can NOT pray in school in front of others! I know of many Christian teachers that would be run out on a rail in many of our public schools if they were to say a prayer in the class room.
          If you are saying that Christians can pray in school, so as long as it is in the closet... well then I guess your right...

        • PJS

          liberal ignorant zombie

    • steven

      @JRG your a 150% right.I'm 58 yrs old and still remember when we lived in the land of the free and that country is long gone.When I was growing up there was not ACLU and we could speak our minds and no body would get offended.You are so right when the america we grew up in and loved is a thing of the past and the children and young adults will never know what it is like to grow up in a country that had freedom.

      • Sergio Sr.

        Hey Steve, you're showing age, I resemble that remark. We can make America as great as it was before. We don't need to tolerate anti-Christian liberals, homos and atheist. We don't have to be politically correct and speak only the facts and nothing but the facts. America has always been a great country and will continue to be as long as we allow GOD to be with us. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    • Mary

      Don't give up on this great country. Get out and vote and try to get the right people in who will change things for the better. We don't need the kind of hope and change we currently have in the white house.

      • BruceInCA

        But, that change needs to be more than just incremental. This is no longer Republican vs. Democrat. It is a RADICAL ruling-class directed Socialism vs. the Constitutional Republic that severely limited government power over individual liberty.

        Obama has created 150 NEW agencies that are making rules and regulation with the full force of law, with NO review by congress. Obama feel perfectly safe in publicly announcing that he will direct his people to find ways to work around congress. He told us even before he was elected that he didn't like the Constitution because it restricted government, which was the intent of the founding documents, both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

        The First Amendment does not separate Church and State. It prevents the State from imposing a specific religion, which includes the "religion" of atheism, on the country.

      • Ed

        Sadly, there is no hope. There is no chance that the USA will ever return to what it once was. It will continue its downward spiral because "we the people" have no power to control the now out of control government. The moral decay will continue unchecked. We can vote all we want, and we may even get the right people elected, but for how long will they be the right people? Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look at the current crop of GOP candidates. Is this the best there is? Is this the best that we can hope to get into the presidency? They're all career politicians that are out of touch with the real world. They fight like children and sling mud like monkeys in a cage sling their own feces. Obama will win another term because, unlike the demoncraps, the GOP is divided at its very core and fight over the smallest things. The democraps are all liberals and that's what unites them. The GOP has liberals, progressives, neo-cons, true conservatives, moderates, etc.

        I love this country and that's why I took the oath of enlistment in 1995, and several times since, but all signs point to the end of this once great republic. I could be wrong with all my doom and gloom. I hope and pray that I am.

    • MOOSE

      I DON'T THINK IT'S OVER YET BUT WE ARE SURE HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. OUR LAWS AND LEADERS HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THIS IS A COUNTRY FOUNDED ON JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND ONE THAT IS TOLERANT OF ALL PEACEFUL RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION BASED ON FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS. OUR SCHOOLS ARE BIASED TOWARD SECULAR BELIEFS AND LEAN TOO FAR LEFT, IN FACT RESTRICTING FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS. IT'S TIME TO GET OUR HEADS ON STRAIGHT AND RESTORE OUR BASIC PRICIPLES THAT MADE THIS COUNTRY GREAT. IF INDIVIDUALS WANT THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS LAWS AND REFUSE TO ASSIMILATE IN THE USE, THEY SHOULD GO HOME TO "THEIR COUNTRIES" (AS THEY LIKE TO REFER TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM) AND MAKE "THEIR COUNTRY" THEIR PERMANENT HOME ,SINCE THE USA APPARRENTLY ISN'T THEIR FIRST CHIOCE.

      • BruceInCA

        Our laws are bases on those Judeo-Christian values. Which are absolutely incompatible with the Muslim based Sharia Law, which allows such things as honor killings.

        • MIKE

          muslim control and dominate. chritians tolerate. they would want the whole school on the floor praying to their all ah and learning to lie rape beat their sisters and kill the mothers. we know what heyare tring to do. one foot inthe door like the sales man... thnk god i still can see the truth!!

        • skai

          " muslims control and dominate .Christians tolerate " You are right, Christians have been tolerant of muslims throughout the history any where in the world, except at few times. This is from muslim's Quran Sura 2:193 " Fight against them ( Infidels/kafur) until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme " And that is exactly what the muslims have been doing for the last 1432 years. And that is what they are doing in America see http://www.blip.tv/file/1382254 and http://www.compassdirect.org Once their population increases to substantial numbers they will show their true colors then. I'm glad people like you can see what is coming, non muslims ought to wake up NOW or else it will be too late.

    • JIM

      so that's it ???? I too have lived in the America you described and am sad and pissed that ...we as a free people have done nothing to stand up and fight for OUR COUNTRY are we just going to wave good by to our liberties and step aside for the communist left to trample all that our fathers and forefathers fought and died for...if that's what your plan is please step aside so that we will not trample you in our onslaught to prevent the communist democrats who have taken over our country and govt to succeed in the destruction of OUR country

    • http://twitter.com/GeorgeAMartini @GeorgeAMartini

      Reagan was right. The current generation in charge dropped the ball. We didn't pass freedom on. How sad. Not looking forward to the future. It's going to get bumpy.

    • Dusty1

      The Polish, the German, the Italian, the Irish and the Jews are what built this country up. Many came in through Ellis Island. Some were quarantined but they didn't complain or cry discrimination. They were too GRATEFUL for the PRIVILEGE to be here. They were PROUD to become American. In time of war, they volunteered to fight for their country. Over the years, this country has become infiltrated with Communists and young people today are too stupid to get it. You can see many young people can barely spell. It's a sad shame that they don't know what's been lost.

      • Dusty1

        One more thing. MULTICULTURALISM is exactly what's destroying America.

        • daves

          You mean accepting the Polish, the German, the Italian, the Irish and the Jews?

        • Myron J. Poltroonian

          When I moved to California from Rhode Island for the third and final time in 1955, the junior high school I attended skipped me a grade from sixth to eighth. The teachers soon grew tired of me raising my hand and having the answers for their questions on topic's they had not yet covered, but were introducing. I guess they didn't like my response to their inquiry: "Where did you learn that?" "I learned that last year." was always my answer. In a conversation with a young women who was (or, maybe still is) an administrative member of the California Teachers Association (a powerful union, that) about this topic and my experience's, she offered the "reason" that "California has a much greater diversity problem". I replied that I supposed that the Armenians, the English, the French, the Dutch and the Scots; let alone the Germans, Italians, Jews, Lithuanians, Portuguese, Poles, Russians, Cubans, Canadians, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and so forth didn't know that they had a problem. I then asked her (and this was in 1995 dollars) why it was that whenever there was a $300,000.00 problem, they always cut 15 teachers instead of three administrators? The look on her face was priceless. It also told me (coupled with her sputtering) which end of the compensation scale she was on.

        • skai

          " One more thing Multiculturalism is exactly what's destroying America " You are 100% right. Not only destroying America, but Europe, United Kingdom , Australia .( Western World) Multiculturalism is Lefties liberal thinking idea. Leaders of the Western world have just realised it, but is too late. Tell me of any muslim countries which practises multiculturalism? There are none.

    • Mike Johnson

      Well said, JRG. I, too, grieve for nation of our youth that no longer exists. Only a "Great Awakening" can save us and that will be to mobilize the citizens that actually care about our once-great nation (as opposed to those who only stand around with their collective hands out, begging for goodies, or those who game the system... most politicians, politically connected crony-capitalists, etc, etc... at the expense of all those of us that work and pay for it). Thomas Jefferson said: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." I fear we or our children will experience that concept first hand, since, as the lessons of history teach, the only way a people depose any form of tyrant or a tyrannical government, or any confederation between our corrupt government and any foreign force, whether it be the UN, any individual foreign nation, or Islam, is to physically remove them or their threat, and that, alas, usually means war... really not much different than to repel a foreign invasion. Our Founding Fathers, in our Declaration of Independence, "... with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor". If, when the time comes, we do less than or Founders, we do not deserve to be called Americans.

    • rey

      Right on JRG. I often think its very sad that the recent generations of Americans never experienced our great land of yesterday. They have no idea what it was like when we were united as Americans and did not suffer under PC. Christian morals made this nation great and now we are rapidly losing it all.

    • HistoryMan

      It's been divided since before 1861.
      LHO

    • SASSYSARAH

      YOU'VE NAILED IT !!

    • Willis

      I sympathize with your comment. I remember when one would swell with pride to consider oneself to be an American. To be an American was to be totally unique from any of the cultures one happened to come from and one's allegiance to the constitution (which was taught in schools)was passionate and strong, Though I am nostalgic about "America Lost", I am something of an optimist that our constitutional republic will survive the onslaught totalitarianism

    • John Detwiler

      I think you may be right. But I pray to God that you aren't. But as a Christian with children attending the schools in question, and Nuslim praying was allowed, I would instruct my children to visably kneel and pray to their God. If instructed to cease they would do so. But I would immeadately file a lawsuit against the teacher, the school and the school principal. Perhaps even the School District as well.

    • E. j. Kues

      Well said., I just pray tha we can go back

  • Peg

    The constitution outweighs any modifications - bottem line - there is no separation of church and state.

    • daves

      Our freedom to worship as we please is well protected by keeping Government out of religion. We all need to fight to keep it this way.

    • mudguy

      You are right the words separation of church is not in the constitution .

    • Myrtlelinder

      Correct, there is no separation of church and state. Saying there is, is a complete rewrite of the first Amendment, turning it completely around from what it really says. That is just a dream of our Muslim government. That is not the only thing in the constitution that has changed, there is very little of it left. Those in power have trampled all over it and used only, some part of it if it suits the occasion, according to what they want. Maybe they will write a new constitution and call it "TWIST"

      • daves

        Thomas Jefferson proposed this language [for the new Virginia constitution]: "All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution": freedom for religion, but also freedom from religion. (Edwin S. Gaustad, Faith of Our Fathers: Religion and the New Nation, San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1987, p. 38. Jefferson proposed his language in 1776.)

        • Myrtlelinder

          This gives us freedom with our religion, whether we want to worship or not, or how we worship, is none of their business. If they think it applies to the entire nation they should make it so, with the agreement of "We the People". They think " we the citizens" are a country of fools who cannot think on our own and need them to guide, direct and force, if necessary into a mold of their making.

          Thanks for that info!!

  • screeminmeeme

    Anyone willing to bet that the school decides to allow the muslims to pray? In many other states, they've successfully had laws passed in their favor and bullied schools into allowing them special privileges. People are fearful of offending them and being accused of Islamophobia.

    So goes the Islamization of America.

    • Mark

      I am an Infidel. I don't fear offending them!

      • daves

        screeminmeeme - please name one law passed that allows Muslims special privileges.

        • screeminmeeme

          daves....You need to open your eyes to what's going on in America...or maybe you see and don't care.
          Muslims have successfully gotten some schools to allow muslim kids to pray while not giving the same rights to Christian/Hindu/other kids.
          They've pressured schools/universities/businesses that sell pork products to conform to Islamic dietary laws and to remove pork products from menus, even objecting to the smell of bacon cooking.
          In many cities/towns, the muslims' peace-disturbing call-to-prayer is spewed 5 times a day, in spite of complaints of other citizens.
          They've pressured universities/malls to revamp their bathrooms and toilets to conform to muslim culture and put in foot-washing basins. I could go on and on and on.

          In America we are allowed to freely practice our religion, unless it harms another person or interferes with his liberty. Since it teaches that its goal is to control everyone, to force them to bow to allah or be killed, Islam is the enemy of all mankind.

        • daves

          So you couldn't think of any laws?

    • Bill

      I Am islamophobic!! GOD= my creator, JESUS=my savior, Old Glory=my standard, USA= MY Country,
      islam=my enemy,.357 mag.=my protection

      • screeminmeeme

        AMEN AND AMEN, BILL. I'm with you, brother. UNITED WE STAND.

      • daves

        Well this is what Jesus said:

        But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    • Dusty1

      Not only have they had laws passed in their favor, some courts are using Sharia laws as guidelines!

    • bob

      why should the muslims be allowed to pray multiple times a day and read their koran, and the christians can't??

      • screeminmeeme

        That's what all rational people are asking. Unfortunately, our gov at all levels is so PC it's only concerned with appeasing muslims. They could care less how Christians or those of other faiths are treated.

    • King Ed

      The schools will do it not because they are afraid of being accused of Islamophobia, it is because they fear the little Mus-lim mag-gots will come to school as bomblets!

    • BOB

      what makes them rag heads better than the people who were born here.if they can pray in the schools then every one eles has that right,and if the ACLU dosen't like tell them to move to another part of the world and try bulling them people!!!!

    • SASSYSARAH

      I'M SO SICK OF PEOPLE TRYING/HAVING TO BE PC THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LETS NOT BE BULLIED BY ANY GROUPS INCLUDING MUSLIMS.

    • mrchriis

      No, they're afraid of being targeted for reprisals, it's how they get their way everywhere. The caliphate is ongoing.

  • Corky66

    Absolutely NOT! If my children cannot have prayer or say the word God in the PLEDGE then that's it. I agree with JRG (above) this is the Divided States of America and it is caused my the ignorance that comes from the ones runing this Conntry in DC.
    DIAL ONE FOR ENGLISH!

    • godaddyjoe

      mu slims worship satan and not our creator or his sonJESUS.we were founded as a christian nation may i remind you.when our constritution was ratified in 1786 it was closed in the following way ." in the year of our lord ,1786 or 87? signed and ratified by the states of the union.they didn't have to include our lord as part of it but they did and in doing so shows direct intent we follow GOD as well as our laws minic the ten commandments.islam cannot be instituted nor their law by any government or judge.let me remind you about law 101. a law is not a law unless it is well known and enforced and follows the constitution we have liberals in our government and our schools ruining our childrens minds and soul and future. obamais the worst of them all.he says what you want to hear he pretends to agree with conservatives while he knows no bills forceing him to decide will be put in front of him because of reed and peloci passing one on to him to reveil who he really is but we all know him from his loyality to fat cats and union mobsters and rev white. he wants our skin on his chandaliere hes as evil as they come bill clinton can't touch him. are you going to hell with obama?

    • JWW

      The American melting-pot just isn't working to well is it! Contrary to popular belief that is.

  • michael

    We, Americans can't pray in school, They can't either!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • mickey

      I agree and besides most of them cant read anyway

    • erica Sanford

      I totally agree. They shouldn't be able to pray and do all of their stuff if we can't do any of ours

  • Bill

    The public school my children attend still allows them to recite the Pledge of Allegiance just as it did when I was a child with no omission of "under God', but I know that all it is going to take is one rotten apple to ruin the barrel.

    • mickey

      yes one rotten apple does and is spoiling the whole barrel. Obama is a talking Macintosh.

  • michael

    Why are they even in our schools? They don't pay for it! They are not even paying for health insurance in obamacare! They hate real Americans. They should be taken out, all of them booted out of our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jerry F.

    If they allow the muslim children to pray, then we will know for a fact that there is an all out assault against christianity.And it will be time for the christians to arm themselfs with more then the word and their faith.And I'm not calling for weapons,there's way to fight it.

    • mickey

      YES but throwing rocks just does not measure up when the other guy is armed.

      • Jerry F.

        I don't know mickey,David used rocks to defeat Goliath so it's just how you use the rocks.

    • Helga

      IF YOU WOULD HAVE LISTEND TO WHAT THE BEAST SAID BEFORE HE CAME TO OFFICE, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HE WILL FORCE ANY AND EVERY CHRISTIAN TO BE A MUSLEM, THAT CHRISTIN RELIGION IS NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WHO DOES NOT OBEY HIS RULES ARE GOING TO BE PUNISHED. IF YOU TELL ME HE IS NOT ANTY CHRIST THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.

  • DSW

    I too believe things have fone too far to return to the once Christian, United States of America. It breaks my heart. But, look up, Redemption Draweth Nigh!

    • mickey

      Draweth Nigh? Is that made by budweiser? just kidding I agree wont be long now. "Come Lord Jesus"

    • screeminmeeme

      2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

      God can and will turn the captivity of America when she repents, especially of Roe v Wade, repeals it and halts the torture and murder of the unborn. (50+ Million so far)

      If Rom 13:1 is true ( that the powers that be are ORDAINED of GOD), then it would seem that an INFANTICIDAL NATION has gotten the President it deserves. Obama is God's whipping stick and when God is done with him, he will be destroyed.

      America need not think that a Holy Just and Good God will bless us after the slaughter of so many of the innocent. We need to be praying for the brokenness and revival of our beloved country. It's our ONLY HOPE to restore America.

  • Wayright

    I think the first thing one needs to do is decide whether Islam is a religion or a cult based political system that uses threats and intimidation to further the spread of the philosophy. When Newt Gingrich was asked at the South Carolina FoxNews debate if he would consider a Muslim for a cabinet post he replied "It would depend on whether or not they renounced Sharia." I think you can not swear someone in whose faith allows lying if it will further Islam. Is it possible for a good muslim to uphold the US Constitution?
    To Dave, I grew up in the same era you did and I too think we should get back to that kind of thinking.

    • charli chicken lady

      joining in with the "older folks" that remember what it used to be.... i did some research on "ISLAM" and discovered:
      ISLAM means SUBMISSION
      it is a LEGAL SYSTEM
      it is a FINANCIAL SYSTEM
      it is a DRESS CODE
      it is a MORAL CODE
      it is a STRICT SOCIAL STRUCTURE
      ISLAM is a TOTALITARIAN way of life totally dedicated to SHARIA
      i beg to ask - being SO OLD and stuff - does THIS sound ANYTHING like a constitutional republic? does anybody who blogs on here think "they" will ever be ruled by the constitutional republic? then... why the hell are "they" here? why don't "they" go home? i've lived here over 59 years - this IS my home. i pray to God that i am long DEAD before "they" take our country away from us and our constitutional republic! from another old fart - just sayin'.... God bless us all! good post dave and wayright!

      • Dinasmitty

        We have a Representative Republic, not that anyone in Wash DC really represents us anymore. They are here because the progressives with their "tolerance" and "social justice" have given them the tools to use our compassion and sense of fair play against us to get their way. We need to stop rolling over and stand up to them.

    • boiler64

      Think that was Herman Cain...but I agree.
      The word "racist" is fast becoming just another innocuous word/excuse for not having a valid answer for the corruption of this BHO administration.
      They will soon destroy any "power" invested in the "race card" syndrome due to the over-use of the term. To be called a "racist" is of fast diminishing value to the black vs. the white community.
      Thanks to top to bottom corruption, passing through the DoJ, the term "racist" will be used every time they don't get whatever they desire.
      Vote for America in November...this will be your last opportunity!

    • mrchriis

      Newt is right!

    • nightlight

      "a good Muslim" cannot be a good American! The teachings of the Koran, the hadith and sharia forbid it. Sharia (Islamic law) is completely incompatible with our own laws, with our Constitution, and with all of the priincipals upon which our great country was founded. Not only can a good Muslim NOT uphold the U.S. Constitution, but as soon as they take over America - as they have been working to do since 1985 with amazing success - our Constitution will be the first thing they do away with.

    • nightlight

      If Newt Gingrich would trust a Muslim's word, he's not the person who should be our president.

  • 1599

    As i understand it, any individual student or group of students can pray at school during their free time. The school isn't allowed to organize or lead the prayers.

  • VirgoVince

    WHY are WE allowing this garbage to live, work and own property in OUR country, much less attend OUR schools with OUR children???? If American kids can't pray in OUR schools, NO one will!!
    Kick them ALL the hell out and ban ALL entry from others of ANY islamic countries!!!!
    THEY are ONLY here to DESTROY US!! NOT believing this, is a DEATH WISH!!!! islam is NOT a religion and has NO rights in OUR country, why don't you know this????
    WAKE THE HELL UP, SHEEPLE!!!!

    Multiculturalism: what a perfect method to kill OUR language, OUR culture, OUR way of life and OUR country!!!!
    Get the U.S. out of the UN and get the UN out of the U.S.!!!!

    • charli chicken lady

      WAY TO GO Virgo! i'm in TOTAL support of your post! if "sheeple" don't wake up - and REAL SOON! - they'll look around and go "what the heck happened? where was i? what IS THIS?" sing it LOUD and CLEAR!!!!!!! you GO!!!!!!!!

    • screeminmeeme

      VV....Ditto. I've been trying for over 8 years to get people to see the truth about Obama and Islam. I've been called a racist and islamophobe, guilty of ''hate'' speech. Well.....I've been vindicated because every single thing I predicted about Obama has come true and then some. As for Islam...we've seen a swift and determined advancement of this vile political system through out the states.

      Islamic agenda: infiltrate, populate, legislate, subjugate, dominate.

      The Islamization of our country is in full swing with the complicity of our PC government and appeasing media. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP ISLAM IS TRUTH....spoken loudly, clearly, and often.

    • Vito

      You are RIGHT 100X100.....

    • Helga

      THEY ALLREADY HAVE TAKEN OVER GERMANY, ITALY AND MOST OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, SO BEWARWE.

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    They are here as Settlers. When they outnumber us they will decimate us.

    • mickey

      Outnumbered is no problem thats why we invented automatic weapons and claymores.

    • RSM61

      We are smarter than they are, tougher than they are, and have many more resources than they have. The Government can only do so much, but our Constitution gives the people of this country (us) the last word in the protection of this country, and believe me, their are a LOT of people just waiting for the chance to do it. When push comes to shove, we will shove them out!

    • Cherokee Sioux

      That's exactly what happened when the whites came to America, or what they tried to do. They were settlers among the Native Americans and foolishly we allowed them to stay and live among us. Their numbers grew, more came and before we knew it they were taking our lands, our homes, and killing us off.

      • DudeinTX

        So you think it's justice that they do the same to us??? Where will you be then? same boat, my red friend.

  • Violet

    I think that we should then encourage our Christian and Jewish children to surround the mulsums and pray also. My dad always said that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  • richard holmes

    There is no seperation of church and state. That is a liberal lie. The constitution protects your right to practice your religon.

    • nightlight

      Our Constitution shoots itself in the foot where it guarantees the "free excercise thereof' to all religions. Since Islam is dedicated to eradicating all other religions, allowing Islam it "free excercise" would eventuially result in the denial of "free excercise" of religion to all other religions.

  • tncdel

    Islam is ORGANIZED CRIME operating under the guise of religion, and the Quran itself is AN INSTRUMENT OF CRIME. For it commands ALL Muslims [not some or a few of them] to kill, oppress and annihilate all who don't believe as they do.

    See this educational video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

    Additionally, each and every right under the Constitution is subject to restraint or forfeiture, if it conflicts with the constitutional rights of others. For example, we all have the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness under the Constitution. But if you kill your neighbor because his dog crapped on your lawn, you can lose all those rights.

    So too things like the "Jim Jones kool-aid party" and what the Quran commands are NOT protected under the Constitution. Courts are required to apply the "balancing of the scales" analysis, when opposing sides in a case maintain that they have a right under the Constitution. And the judge must determine WHICH side has the greater claim to "right" under the Constitution and which side would suffer the greatest harm by allowing the opposing side to exercise the right that they claim.

    To put things in perspective, YOU play the judge in the following case, then tell us your verdict:

    Side A alleges it has a right to kill, oppress and annihilate anyone who refuses to believe as they do.

    Side B alleges that they have a right to NOT be killed, oppressed or annihilated.

    So please tell us, WHICH side, side A or side B, would you rule in favor of.

    If you say side A, then you have violated the Constitution. If you say side B, then you have ruled that Islam is NOT a "religion" for 1st Amendment purposes.

    A Christian or other non-Muslim group needs to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all non-Muslims, alleging that Islam does NOT meet the definition of being a "religion" for 1st Amendment purposes, for Islam itself is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    • mickey

      Well said TNCDEL GET THE PETITION GOING ILL SIGN IT NOW

    • Upaces

      GREAT POST!!!!!

    • CitizenArrestNow

      You are a GREAT AMERICAN!♥ Please get this started!!!

    • Helga

      YOU MIGHT THINK SO BUT THE BEAST THINKS OTHERWISE.

    • DudeinTX

      The Koran is the book of Satan. He controls Islam and all the peasants within it. It is his plan for ruling the world, which will never happen. Jesus Christ will return and take his rightful seat at the throne. This is all foretold in Revelations.

  • Bill

    I think ALL US muslim students should be allowed to pray in school, in Iran or Afghanistan, or some place like that.

    • Chris

      If Christians can't then why should Muslims?

    • Erica

      Its ok if you were in your country and your schools. We as americans haven't been able to mix church with state and so you shouldn't either

      • Upaces

        Erica, actually, that's not true. When I was growing up, we said the Pledge to the Flag every morning. We had a devotional read over the PA system. If there was a child in the room that for some reason either didn't want to bow their heads -- they didn't have to. Any child that wanted to leave the room during the devotional was allowed to do so without repercussions.

    • Kaafir

      If Christians are not allowed to pray in schools then muslims should not be allowed either. Christians should be allowed to build Churches in Iran or Afghanistan or someplace like that also but they can't. The MSA should not be in a public college either as they are a so called religious group also.

  • Randy G

    When someone calls you a Racist for wanting fairness, Say " YEAH! The Human Race, when are you going to join?"

  • lizaz

    No, not even!! Haven't these people heard of "separation of church and state"???? Just ask the ACLU!!!

  • julian

    I was not aware that Clinton could say so much and yet so little at the same time. We have only ourselves (the silent majority ) to blame for this, we stood by and allowed all this to happen. There was a time people came here to get away from the oppression in their country, now they bring it with them and have no desire to assimilate anything but our oppourtunities. I think it is just now becoming apparent that what made America great and produced all these oppourtunities was this assimalition into the American way. Now we have all the other 'ways', no honor especially in our leaders, the few ruining it for the many, and a system that is well on it's way down the slippery slope. If we do not take our country back soon, there will be none to take back.

    • BOB

      Thats a democrat for you. They can talk all day and not say anything at all.

    • guest

      Lawyers never say in five words that which they can say in five hundred. Just remember, "That depends on what the meaning of "is"is.

  • Bob

    Islam is not a religion, and shouldn't be reconized as such in America. It's a terrorist cult and should be eradicated from the face of the earth.

    • Rose-Marie Noa

      Angela Merkel of Germany said recently that Multiculturalism does not work!!!( It is ruining Europe & the UK ....my words not hers) It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the havoc the muslims have caused all across the UK & Europe. Kick them the hell out of OUR country & make them go back where they came from. They want to create a caliphate here in OUR country. Get them out of here & they can take that big phony cry baby Rep. Ellison with them!!! What a bad joke he is. You can call me islamaphobic all you like, I dont care, but I am a proud American & I want what's best for America & that does not include muslims!!!

    • David in MA

      Islam is a church/state government.

  • samtman

    In essence the school can provide a room if available before and after school for those students who want to pray. The school can not lead , organize, teach or promote any group or religlion to hold prayers. It is stricly voluntary by indirvidual students and done in their own privacy I believe that this meets constitutional law. This of course also includes students who want to hold meeting on scientific evolution on earth sciences and the evolutlion of life from the earliest known life forms found in the fossil records, going back some 3 billion years.

  • d.mather

    the GOVT needs to get out of schools all together and allow statws to run there schools PRAYER in school has always been done every morn.. Either allow prayer for all or for none???? Do your praying at home and church only ??? enough said?? Cant have it both ways????

    • mickey

      I prayed in school all the time but I was a moron and flunked. The toughest 3 years of my life was 2nd grade.
      My parents bought me a shovel when I dropped out of school. It worked well for me I became a contractor and made millions doing what I knew how and doing it well. Back to prayer in school. The bible says when you pray go into the closet and ask God what you will. He does not like demonstrative bible or koran or torah waving. Pray in private and believe me God hears.

  • John Rickell

    All the muslims need is a B.I.T.H. Game Over!

    • Rose-Marie Noa

      I dont understand what that is....please explain.

      Or did you mean B.A.T.H.......or maybe that too!

  • gypsy

    We have on party to say whats up to and that is the democrats the senate has set on almost every bill pass from congress and the hands of the democrats leader in the white house is leading the whole thing on dividing our country. It is time for Americans to unite and vote every democrat out of office NOW.
    Newt is my choice.
    Anyone but Obama!
    Remember a vote for a democrat is a vote for Obama and illegal aliens , homosexuals and terrorist.

  • jim

    Does anyone with integrity still claim the ACLU is not anti Christian and anti USA? The ACLU sues to permit muslims to be allowed whatever they say and then sues that Christians can even wear crosses or have silent prayer. The scary part is that the US government suppports anything the ACLU wants.

    • daves

      I do. I thank God the ACLU is there to protect my right to worship as I please. The Government should have nothing to do with religion.

  • Sad4theUS

    This President and his God- hating, socialistic-leaning government have created more division and racism than any previous President or government before! And they've done that by creating protections for "Special" groups! We are either united as one or we are divided... No if's, ands or buts! Do we really want another 4 years of this??????

  • orples

    The policy needs to be either prayer in school for ALL religions, or none at all. This is one mop that needs to flop in both directions. And if it is decided the Muslims cannot pray in public schools just as the Christan children have been denied and they don't like it, perhaps they should go back to their homelands or stick their kids in private schools.

  • VegasLarry

    If any Muslim student is allowed to pray in ANY school, then I MUST be allowed to pray anywhere a Muslim is allowed to. Sharia law is not the law of the land in America and MUST be disregarded by all law enforcement personnel starting at the patrol officer and stopping at the Supreme Court. No law allowing Sharia law into the US should ever even be considered. Displays of Muslim prayer must be confined to their Mosques just as ours is to our churches. That is the proper place for prayer, not in the workplace. All accommodations to Muslims need to be revoked. If they want to fit in in the American work force then they have to adjust... not us!

  • BULLSEYE

    I'm OK with letting Christians pray but not muslims. If you don't like it go to Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, France, etc., etc.

  • Lou J Apa

    On the issue of PRAYER.....NO one religion may pray, openly, in ANY schools UNLESS ALL religions may have the same right! Muslims have no favored permission over Catholic, Protestants, or ANY TRUE religion.
    lja/JMJ

  • badgirlpatriot2011

    D.Mather,I agree the Gov is too involved with Schools,I agree with one candidate that we need to get rid of the Dept of Education,and so many other depts.We need to take our country back.I feel that we need to start having Large Religious Conventions or what they use to call Revivals and also include talk about politics and the way our gov is going we need to do it soon.If there is anyone reading this that can organize people please do so.Part of the problem is also that there is so many that have no morals.We use to be a moral country,Now look at us.WE CANNOT TURN OUR BACK ON GOD .We need to educate if you belong to groups put up billboards if you have to ,to get the message across about religion ,abortion,moral duty to you country.

  • Jim213

    Only if they eat bacon & eggs for breakfast !

  • Robert

    I believe that any religion should be allowed to pray in schools. That's where the problem comes in Islam is not a religion it has never been a religion and never will be a religion. It is a form of government and people control and has no place in the United States.
    If the American people do not wake up to the threat of Islamic takeover it will only be a matter of years before it will be common law that men can beat their wives, seller children, and kill their children as they upset them. This is what Islam is all about control total control. There's a reason that Islamic countries for the most part I stolen the Stone Age.

    The men in the Islamic faith have such an inferiority complex that the only way they can feel like a man is to take it out on a woman and beater on a regular basis. Control her every thought, everything she does, the way she lives, and in many cases how she's going to die.

    This control is why many people have converted to Islam most of these people have one thing in common. They have very large inferiority complexes. cannot feel like a man, has no self-respect ,and can only gain this web brutalizing others.

    What group of people living in America, males that is, that this bill. They are the ones who are converting to Islam I won't go into who they are because it is self-evident. It is people who have a real problem with self-respect and can find no other way to gain it.
    A wise man once said, that there is only one gift that a man can give himself and that is his honor! The opposite is also true the only person who can destroy that honor is that man.

  • VegasLarry

    We need to get a drive to pray in school by our evangelical leaders. If a big enough fuss is made then we will have the same accommodations to prayer as the Muslims have.

  • AMR

    The Taliban said they would take us down! Then on one cold Christmas Eve a vote was cast hurriedly,a vote against our freedoms for health and prosperity and they didn't even know what was in it. Then one day a vote was cast and doubled our nations debt in one sweep of the pen. The Head of the Senate should be accounted for this, as well as this man who signed these blows to our nation. NOW they want to pray in our schools and have sharia law? Women died so we would have our rights, now these woman are the growing fields for the Taliban. Look it up! I'M MAD and you should be too! Our children deserve better!

  • Wayright

    We ought to follow France and ban the burhka here before they start wearing them in Walmart. Wait, they already are.
    How about you try going into a bank with your head totally covered.
    "Hello, 9-1-1?"
    "Yes?"
    " We have a suspicious person in our bank lobby."
    "What does the person look like?"
    "Hell if I know."

  • mickey

    If Muslims are allowed to pray in school then our Marines should be able to piss on dead terrorists. Thats their religion.

  • Pudbert_Savannah GA

    If satan-worshippers get to pray in school,, then why aren't Christians allowed to ?

  • sally

    If our own kids cannot pray in our school than neither can the muslims..Since I pay taxes for this joke of a school system I say HELL NO.

  • msbets

    I thought they already did!!!

  • TOO INFORMED

    As for me? I'm moving out of the so-called United States. Since 1776, America has been a Christian nation. Less than 50 years ago, we saw a change. After YOBOMA, he has pushed the gutter MUSLIM religion for America. IAM NOT A STINKING MUSLIM! I'm not sure where I will move to, but a man without a country seems to fit how I feel.

  • http://yahoo.com Thomas M

    Those muslim pukes can go to hell in a hand basket as they are the terrorist lovers of this country just like the democrats.

  • MARYP912

    I think on Good Friday and Easter, maybe Christians should conduct a Passion Play in the schools....let's see how thw teachers and Obama likes it!!!!

  • Lloyd

    Several things to think about here. Separation of Church and State. The Constitution does not say or require such a thing, and I challenge any one to show where it does. That was just a devious way for some athiests to try and prohibit others from exercising their rights under OUR CONSTITUTION. We are free to exercise our religious rights anywhere and at any time, but it should never interfere with the rights of others.

    The fact that the ACLU has told students that they cannot exercise their religious rights, means nothing unless those students, their teachers, and the school board, allow the ACLU to have their way. Parents should be the first to object to what is sometimes taken as a ruling. The ACLU has no legal authority to control the destiny of the rest of us, and we should never let them tell us what we can or canot do. Until Congress has amended OUR CONSTITUTION to change the First Amendment, we must demand the rights provided by that Amendment. We must also see to it that Congress never changes those rights.

  • Lar4ryFrom10EC

    Muslims want to pray in school? Fine. Do what Christians who want their children to pray in scholl do- send them to a private school. Barring that, go back or move to some muslim $4ithole of a country and kiss the rug all you want.

  • Chris

    It looks a lot like Tebowing?

    • Cristian

      Thanks, Tim Tebow for the Christian inspiration you give. "Christians United Will Never Be Defeated."

  • Chris

    If Christian kids are kicked out of school for kneeling and praying then why not Muslim kids? We all know that the system is afraid of Muslims but not Christians.
    If a Christian does something in a public place or institution then they are establishing or promoting their religion but that doesn't apply to non -Christians. Tell me why?!

  • Charlie

    As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school...

  • Glen

    If schools let Muslims pray on their property then they will open themselves up to some big discrimination lawsuits. That sounds like a sure way to bankrupt our public schools. And that just sounds like it might be a Good Thing.

  • Pastor Carmen

    You either can pray in Schools are no praying at all. We prayed everyday in a moment of silents Students bowed their heads and prayed or they did not it was not force on us. I my day gums or candy was crimes of the day at school after Bible and Prayer and the Ten Commandments were thrown out Crime rates is 1000 precent higher Rapes Sex with teacher's killing and how to put on condom on your Heads.

  • Slarker

    I think the reason Muslims are allowed to do whatever they wish is because they threaten the lives of those that oppose them. Christians are told to turn the other cheek. To love one another. I've got two cheeks on my face. Hit one, I will give you the other to hit. After that, Katie bar the door.

  • DockyWocky

    "“Whether it’s a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, a Muslim — if it’s required by their faith, they should be able to do it in a public school.

    So, let me get this straight: because Christians and Jews might NOT have strict requirements to pray while attending school, they cannot do it according to the islamic-loving ACLU? [ I am purposely not including Hindu students, because I am unsure of their daily prayer requirements ].

    So all the Christian and Jooish kids, happily unaffected by Mohammed's brainwashing techniques, cannot fall back on their laurels because their spiritual leaders have not insisted on strict daily brainwashing sessions?

    The ACLU might be doing the moslem kids a favor by not insisting they have daily prayers in school.

  • Juan

    Sure muslims can pray in OUR schools-just as soon as Christian students can pray.

  • Emi

    I don't think the supreme court knows anything about the constitution. Our fore fathers ment exactly what they said. Seperation of church and state.The state does not regulate the church, nor does the church regulate the state. It does not say anything about what the supreme court, the ACLU and any other organisation that has twisted the meaning of SEPERATION of CHURCH and STATE. Along with this, muslim laws should not should not supperseed our constitional laws, all other religions have to abide by our laws.

  • dockywocky

    Answer: Hell no, the school district, in their great wisdom and guided by the ACLU,won't allow anyone but moslems to pray during school hours, will provide special mosque-like rooms and rugs, special foot washing stands or them to drink out of, and provide towel service so they can dry their little footsies after praying.

  • screeminmeeme

    Gee.....I wonder why Islam has been advancing so swiftly in America and with such confidence? Hmmm.....maybe because their esteemed muslim leader, Barak Hussein Obama, is in the WH, clearing the way for them to get involved in all kinds of governmental policy-making, and helping them to gain favors. His first phone call in office was to Hamas leader. His first order was to close Gitmo. His first speech was to the world's muslims, to tell them what wonderful people they are, and what terrible people we are and how we are NOT a Christian nation.

    This man has no shame in calling himself a Christian, while at the same time scorning the bible (which he is on video doing) NO GENUINE CHRISTIAN WOULD DO THAT. He has ignored and dismissed Christians and our holidays, and yet bent over backwards to provide dinners and honor to muslims. Recently, he's been using Christianity for his own political gain. HE ONLY DOES WHATEVER IS POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT.

    It's disgusting that 10 years after 911 we have a muslim in the White House. How stupid are we?
    Well...we are paying the price and I only hope we can change it all in the up-coming election.

  • RICHARD

    The Muslims can pray in schools........back in the hell holes in the middle east where thry came from iam getting sick and tired of these rats trying to tell us how to run our country they cna get the hell out......NOW

  • http://google.com Bob

    EVERYONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PRAY WHERE EVER THEY ARE AT BUT ON THEIR OWEN TIME. THE FED needs to get out of the Schools all together that a STATE function. The FED. GOV. cerate a lot of red tape that cost a lot of money. THE ONLY DEPT'S. the FED'S. need to run is ones attached to the DOD. that all. GIVE BACK THE STATES RIGHTS SO THEY CAN RUN THEIR BUSINESS AND THE FED RUN THEIR BUSINESS. WE NEED TERM LIMITERS ON EVERYONE IN THE FED. GOV. ALL NEEDS TO BE POLICED.

  • marysteeleyorktownva

    I'm sick of all of this. It's time to return schools to teaching what it is suppose to be. Stick to the subjects of English, math, history, science and other core subjects. Leave the religious or ethnic subjects to schools that directly cater to them. If they must pray during the day, go to a school that is religious specific to their needs! Christian, Catholic, Muslim, etc. Do not disrupt the school day for everybody else!!

  • Walt

    What a Great Opportunity to give back to them the same crap they've given to us. If we can't then they can't. End of Story. Take a stand for our rights for a change. If this is allowed then I suspect there will be issues way beyond the school districts abilty to solve. Religious warfare is ugly. Perhaps if you look at it the other way and allow everyone to express themselves you might teach the kids to be more tolerent when they grow up. If you allow this then I predict that some of those kids will not get to grow up.

  • Walt

    This is the kind of thing that can start a religious war here in our country. Ever notice when you roll up those white KKK hoods that they make a turbin.

  • Jim

    Once again, the Constitution only prevents the government from establishing a national religion such as was the case to colonize America. Practically every building and monument in D.C. has a reference to God on it. The government CANNOT force you to accept one particular religion established by the government.

  • Larry Houston

    When did they change the constitution from , "Thou shalt not prohibit the free exercise thereof ", to "thou shalt not offend the atheist"?

  • jake

    O! yes, we can't offend our peace loving Muslims.

  • daves

    I honestly do not think most of you can name any freedoms that you have lost.

    • BruceInCA

      The right to publicly express our religious beliefs. The right to not have our right to bear arms infringed upon. The right to openly express our displeasure with the administration without being classified a racist terrorist and arrested by the military. The right to spend the money we earn as we see fit. The right to not be penalized because our hard work has lead to success. The right to be safe and secure in our homes because officials no longer have to have a warrant to enter. The right to fly on a commercial airline without being felt-up. The right to travel on all lanes of the highways, which we paid for with our tax money, with any vehicle we wish to. The right to have our justice department prosecute criminals with no regard to race, creed or color. Yeah, I can go on!

      • daves

        Seriously? It is against the law to express your religious beliefs in public, and to own a gun, and to criticize the Government?

        Where are these laws written? Do you have a link?

  • RSM61

    Islam is nothing more than a roadmap to the destruction of every other religion so they can take over the world and destroy whatever peace we have attained. They are animals, butchers, fanatics, liars, traitors, extremists, or whatever you want to call them, but one thing they are NOT, is peaceful. If American Christians, Jews, Baptists, Protestants, Catholics, or anyone else cannot pray or even mention religion in schools, then these fools should not be allowed either!

  • Rick

    Wow, this is gonna be a good one. This is part of the plan to divide and conquer. First, Noodnick, you gotta remember where you are. Second, you gotta remember we let you have a lotta rope to get your stuff straight. Lastly, a majority of Americans "Live and let live" Mess with that and tread on our heritage and you will find and experience the spirit that made America

  • jack

    This better not Happen..Seems ever since our Muslim Loving President came into office this Cult has been given more and more rights..and More Christian Rights taken from US!

  • http://www.chick.com Raymond
  • Larry

    As long as they stop Christians from displaying there beliefs then hell no the Muslims can not have any public display of there religion.

  • maryanne3935

    I know it is called home schooling!!!!! if you need your kids to do something a certain way, HOMESCHOOL. If you don't like the way a school is run, HOMESCHOOL! If you disagree with everything about this country and it system, it is called LEAVE> End of story.

    • Capito

      Those who have to stay, are Christians .... Those who arrived last are the ones who have to go.

      • maryanne3935

        I am jewish, I believe in christian/judeo principals that this country was found on. How do we stop teaching our children from learning when we have a "religious" group that demands prayer 5 times a day. As I said, enough is enough. The muslims in Los Angeles have their own special hate crime laws. However, when you do the research you learn that 3% of hate crimes are committed against muslims, 8% christians, and they can't keep up with what is going on with the jews. One of our city council told me that they instituted the laws for muslims to shut them up, so now who will shut us up?????
        Keep talking!!!!

  • freeamericausa

    If they are allowed to pray in school. All children, of all faiths...NOT UNION TEACHER MINISTERS..should be able to do the same.
    America. OUR CHILDREN are being used as pawns in a terrible OBAMA APPEASEMENT game that is designed to Destroy Our nation...one child at a time.
    By the way. OBAMA IS A LIAR. For those who insist otherwise. So are YOU.

  • Mazinger76

    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    There IS a seperation of church and state. The State does not ENDORSE nor be endorsed by any religions. Most Americans are ignorant of their own laws.

    I am a teacher and an Atheist and I can tell you that students ARE allowed to pray in school. My Muslim students pray before school and take their lunch time to pray during school.

    What students nor teachers cant's do is FORCE someone to listen to any prosthelytizing.

    Teachers can't lead students in prayers. Students can get together and pray as long as it's not during class or instruction. They have every opportunity to pray in the morning, during lunch, during passing periods or after school.

  • BruceInCA

    Amen!

  • jerry1944

    And if you T BOW you get expelled That doesnt sound like the went with the law to me Schools are out to get rid of religon

  • dirtydaug

    Our problem is not the people or their religions, its the ones who make the laws and enforce the laws. As of now our big problem is the President and all of his thugs.

  • Co-opted Confederate

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or ABRIDGING the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right OF THE PEOPLE TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE, and to PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVENCES.
    IF ANYONE: CHRISTIAN, JEW, HINDU, MUSLIM, KOPTIC , BUDDIST, SHINTO, MORMON, IS DENYED THE RIGHT TO PRAY ANY WHERE AT ANY TIME THEN ALL SHOULD BE DENYED! IF NOT THEN ALL SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

  • mikeaustin

    Have the kids go to a muslim school. if they want to pray Suspend them if they do not obey all the rules. ZERO tolerance

  • David in MA

    "Will Muslim Students be Allowed to Pray in School?"

    If they can, so can everyone else---(PPPOOOOFFFF!!!)
    so much for "separation of church and state" BS.
    (Which is nowhere in the Constitution)

  • Blair Franconia, NH

    The Supreme Court got it wrong 50 years ago.

  • marysteeleyorktownva

    When I was in school, we had a moment of silence which could be used to pray or just settle down to get ready for school work. Public schools are not the place to have specific religious needs met!! Go to a private school if that is necessary!

  • ConservaDave

    1 Corinthians 2 says that if the "princes of this world" (evil spirits) had understood the hidden wisdom of God they never would have crucified the Lord of glory. Demons did not crucify Jesus Christ but they inspired humans to do so. These same evil spiritual influences are alive and well in the world today and inspiring men and women. My guess is the Muslim kids get everything they want while the Christian kids get ridiculed and persecuted. Like Isaiah the prophet said,"Hell hath elarged herself..." There wasn't enough room there so they had to put on an addition.

    • screeminmeeme

      Do remember that NO ONE killed JESUS but that He laid down His life and took it up again. God used the agency of sinful men, the Romans and the unbelieving Jews, to fulfil His plan. Christ willingly died so that men who trusted in His sacrifice might have eternal life and be reconciled with a Holy God.

      Islam is the endtime religion and polar opposite of Christianity and fits the prophecies well about a religion that gleefully beheads people for not conforming to its teaching. The drive behind Islam is nothing short of devilish.

      Our confidence is....in the end....Jesus Christ wins and will bring judgement and justice to an evil, Christ-rejecting world.

  • Myron J. Poltroonian

    I wonder where the much vaunted ACLU would be on this issue? If it was seriously proposed (and, most likely will be, in the not too far distant future, I'm afraid) that the motto "In God We Trust" on our currency be replaced with "Allah Is Great"? Any guesses?

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ SurvivingUrbanCrisis.com

    Nope, I'm betting they ain't saying squat about the muslims doing their thing. But you just try a let 'em see a Bible or hear Jesus spoken about, they'll be up in your face in two seconds.
    When you gonna get tired of the discrimination against Christians, people?

    Click the name, see the website, prepare now.

  • http://charter.net susan

    and every christian should be able to stop and pray when thay want to the muslin are doing just want thay want thanks to the dingbat of a president . American's take our country back

  • DEFEATOBAMAIN2012

    How can teachers teach a class when they have to release muslims children from class every time they have to pray,
    but christians can't pray at the beginning of a class. If muslims have to pray 5 times a day they must be very sinful.

  • Don DeHoff

    Read the Qur'an! It clearly permits Muslims to deviate from some of its revelations if there is sufficent reason. For instance, they can eat pork or other prohibited foods, if doing so will prevent hunger or starvation, It permits lying if doing so "promotes peace" or prevents harm coming to the person or other Muslim persons. The Qur'an also clearly has provisions to skip or miss prayers (to be made-up later), if circumstances stand in the way. If you don't know where to find those deviations in the Qur'an, ask Google or one the other search engines. I believe skipping prayors while in a non-Muslim environment (including work), here in the U.S. should also fall into that catagory---"When in Rome, do as Romans do". If the Muslims object, I suspect they either do not understand their own Holy Book or probably have a "directed" objective of disrupting our way of life. We should stand firm on this and it should be part of their "pledge of allegience" when they become U.S. citizens or residents.

    • Don DeHoff

      Most Americans are ignorant when it comes to the Qur'an. One cannot discuss it intelligently without ever having read it. One must get an "approved" English translation of the Qur'an, preferably and edition that is dated 2000 or earlier. There is a dozen or so approved translations; I use the 1920 , Pickthall, 2000 Edition. Now, it is not enough to just read the Qur'an, one must fully understand the ramifications of its complete lack of chronology, and the effect of its undated "abrogations". The Qur'an prohibits ANY changes ever being made to it, yet its many, "abrogations'' in fact nullify, expand upon, modifiy, replace and yes, in English, 'change' that "unchangable" Holy Book. Those two issues alone, make the Qur'an undeceipherable, by most people, even many learned Muslims. That is evidenced by the reams upon reams of other official supporting directives which add to the confusion. In brief, most of the loving, peaceful , equality, understanding and foregiving revelations have been "abrogated", yet they are still in the document.

  • http://godfatherpolitics.com/3192/will-muslim-students-be-allowed-to-pray-in-school/ Messianic Kitty

    The muzzie's allah tells them to pray certain times of dah and The Lord God Almighty calls for us to pretty much pray all the time, so whenever our children feel the need to pray then we'll demand that!

  • E.T.

    If the Muslims want to praye in school...let them send their children to their own "parochial" schools just like Catholics and Protestants do for their children! Remember? Seaparation of CHURCH ANS STATE...The LIBS wanted it SO BAD...Wellthen they can LIVE WITH IT!

  • BundokGirl

    Will Muslim girls be still be allowed to go to school or drive cars?

    As for equal opportunity, will Muslim girls be allowed to pray with Muslim boys?

    Can their brothers, uncles or fathers kill the girls for dating infidels?

  • aurora35

    Then why are mus lim students allowed to have prayer time in some Texas schools?

  • Zuuuza

    Two simple solutions: 1. No religion expressions in school. Religion is personal. Personal stays home. OR
    2. The ones who must prey (oh, sorry, pray) can do it in the lunch break or in any recess; muslims to the right of the field, christians to the left of the field, while the other unaffected kids play catch and capture the flag....

  • http://www.aKeyforHealth.com carolandv

    Simply said: the United States of America and Islam ARE mutually exclusive entities.

  • Pegi

    Hope not! No prayer in schools should apply to everyone, period. What is good for one, is good for all!

  • chvietvet

    The Constitution of the United States not only includes freedom of religion, it guarantees the free practice thereof. Christians in this country should feel deep shame for letting the practice of atheism be the only religious observance allowed. The Constitution prohibits a religious test for public office, yet a practicing christian or orthodox jew cannot expect to be hired by large numbers of government departments and agencies promoting a great many things that are repugnant to religious people. Nowhere does our Constitution mention "separation of church and state." That comes from the French Revolution, during which churches were prohibited from celebrating weddings and other functions that they have always been performing in the United States. A church wedding is still not an official marriage in France. If muslims insist on praying, that is a sign of courage which those in my own church seem to have lost.

  • Robert

    As a kid in about 2nd grade I can still recall saying the Pledge Of Allegiance, and after that the teacher said bow your head for a prayer. Now if you weren't into religion ( like I was at the time ) I just stood there with my head bowed. Now, it didn't " insult or offend" me and it didn't make me feel "profiled" and I did it out of " respect " for the other kids that did pray. It was called consideration for others (something lost now days ). The way I see it, is if there is going to be a war of religions in state schools, then just don't have prayer in them. If you go to a " private school " then do your thing. We can't pick one religion over another and tell them Yes you may sit on your rug and bow up and down, then tell the other kids they cannot pray because they (the infidels ) offend the ones praying on the rugs. Like the teacher did in 2nd grade when you got caught chewing gum. "Did you bring some for the rest of us, NO, then go spit it out ".

  • http://http/aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    Tell them to pray in thier own country not here.

  • jimjimjim

    Let them "pray",,, in the middle of the Mississippi river. glub-glub...

  • Marlin

    If Christian students have their first amendment rights abridged to deny them their freedom of religion and freedom of speech(prayer is a form of speech), then other groups should not be exempted either. Only the aethists win.
    P.S. People really should read the "Bill of Rights".

  • guest

    Wanna fix this? Serve HAM on Monday, BACON on Tuesday, CHOPS on Wednesday, pork n beans, Ham n beans, Ham on the salads, Pepperoni (made with PORK) on every pizza, etc, etc, This will work just by starving them out since Muslims do NOT eat pork.

  • daves

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 )

    • screeminmeeme

      daves...The Christian is not required to obey the 613 OT laws. We are no longer under the dispensation of the law, but under grace. (Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ) In the OT, God used His people to judge the surrounding pagan groups because they deliberately disregarded had Him and chose to worship Idols, to the point of offering their children on the red-hot arms of Baal, Dagon, Molech, et. they had centuries of warnings which they did not heed.

      In this age of grace, God is only concerned about people being reconciled to Him by accepting the crosswork of Christ on behalf of all of mankind.

      That's the distinction you don't get.

  • Othello

    Oh HELL NO!
    If they allow this, all HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE!
    If I had kids in that school district, I'd yank my kids out so fast the school board wouldn't know what hit them.

  • skai

    Just log on http://www.islam-watch.org and http://www.jihad-watch.org and http://www.danielpipes.org Please get wiser about Islam are else we will be doomed for good. Tell each and every one you know about these websites. Islam is EVIL .

  • Shira Israel-Levin

    WOW! I didn't know that former President Bill Clinton set forth the

    above Guidelines. It seems then that they have been convidently been forgotten. Perhaps his statement and guidelines need to be sent around again to remind people that the so called Separation of

    Church and State is a fallacy. People need a lesson in what the

    First Amendment of our Constituation actually says.

    • Myrtlelinder

      Amendment II

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      What is there in this short document that is so difficult that it can't be understood.

      It does not say, any religion can pray in public or anywhere else, "EXCEPT CHRISTIANS", that has been made law, not written law but "The law in the heart of our anti-GOD Government

  • Cognitive Dissident

    The same rules should apply for everyone. How hard is that to comprehend?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgiYe6LToc Roger

      Coggy, with you it's not hard to comprehend.

      Remember you explained it just in case. This is the advice you gave a new troll.

      "You'll get farther as a troll without blanketing your opponent from "Go". Try for subtlety, and remember that the otherside is not monolithic in their thinking. Do not help them unify with your firebombs. We should strive to psychologically divide and conquer!"

  • Rose

    Have the muslim kids go to their own school, out of the United States. Who needs them here or wants them.

  • Lou Ellen Brown

    Most of the ones who might want to pray will not have a clue which way is East. I know about the separation clause, but it does not say God has to be left out of the schools.....oh, I forgot that now the GOVERNMENT is in charge of the schools! Silly me, I thought it was still local and up to each state to tend to their public schools. ooops.

  • Richard Vandervort

    When I was a child we had a moment of prayer in school but it was in no means mandatory but that you were requested to give a brief moment to respecting others that might want to give respect to their given religion.
    We should no be giving any favoritism to any one religion when it comes to prayer without giving the same time and respect towards all religions at the same time.
    When the people awaken in the USA it's most likely already going to be to late to save our country and it's freedom.
    Do I lay blame on the socialist that have weaseled their way into our government, Sure I do but I also lay equal blame on the American public that's been so self absorbed in themselves to pay attention to what our leaders have been doing.
    I've followed the political system along with American and world history since childhood and because of it was able to tell friends of things to come sometimes years before it would happen. How many have done the same, Very few and most that haven't don't want to believe us that have.

    • Richard Vandervort

      History has always shown one bad habit and that it does repeat itself far to often. Knowing your history is to help you learn how not to make the same mistakes of the past and just why the socialist wants history limited or not taught at all in our schools today.
      If we allow the socialist in this government and court system to rewriting our constitution now we will have finished all that this country was ever founded on and that was to create a free nation.
      Now were hearing false numbers about the unemployment rate dropping when it's the liberals way of using creative math to get these numbers. When you issue 125,000 new work permits to foreign workers every months subtract the approximated 55,000 women that dropped out of the work force because they just couldn't find a job then add the percentage that have exhausted their 99 weeks of collecting unemployment and no longer counted the liberal math numbers can never add up to Americans now having work out of the so called 350,000 jobs Obama claims to have created. How many of these jobs are governmental and serve no contribution to the economy's growth but instead are a drain of the taxpayer once again.

      • Richard Vandervort

        The one thing that seems to being our greatest loss is that of common sense to see what the socialist in government are doing to our country.
        It's better to be Dead then Red and I'll stand up for our freedom till my dying breath, Will You?

  • djw663

    If Christian children are not allowed to pray or express their religion in school than all student's cannot express their religion in school.

  • jmsmaxwell

    Isn't it funny when the Socialist, Liberals and others are caught upon the horns of a dilemma? If they all prayer in school for
    one they will be forced to allow it for everyone. You cannot discriminate against one group and give "special" dispensation to
    another without violating you own demands. You already know this will go to court because administrator are a useless bunch
    of mindless robots who do not have the mental capacity to make decisions upon thier own.