Gun and Baseball Bat Control in Great Britain

Great Britain has strict gun control laws. Advocates of gun control believe that these laws cut down on violence and crime. Such laws only empower lawbreakers. Gun homicides were low in the United Kingdom even before gun control laws went into effect. This does not mean that there hasn’t been any gun violence since these laws went into effect in 1977. “Over the course of a few days in the summer of 2001, gun-toting men burst into an English court and freed two defendants; a shooting outside a London nightclub left five women and three men wounded; and two men were machine-gunned to death in a residential neighborhood of north London. And on New Year's Day this year [2002] a 19-year-old girl walking on a main street in east London was shot in the head by a thief who wanted her mobile phone. London police are now looking to New York City police for advice.”

Gun control has had an impact elsewhere: a dramatic increase in other violent crimes. “For example, comparing London and New York, cities of very similar population and demographics, the rate of assaults and robberies is over six times as high, and 7 or 10 times nationwide (depending on statistic used).” Compared with the United States, “the United Kingdom has a slightly higher total crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people, while in the USA it is approximately 80.”

Consider this 2002 article from Reason.com:

On a June evening two years ago, Dan Rather made many stiff British upper lips quiver by reporting that England had a crime problem and that, apart from murder, “theirs is worse than ours.” The response was swift and sharp. “Have a Nice Daydream,” The Mirror, a London daily, shot back, reporting: “Britain reacted with fury and disbelief last night to claims by American newsmen that crime and violence are worse here than in the US.” But sandwiched between the article's battery of official denials — “totally misleading,” “a huge over-simplification,” “astounding and outrageous” — and a compilation of lurid crimes from “the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic where every other car is carrying a gun,” The Mirror conceded that the CBS anchorman was correct. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, “Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes.”

The most recent riots in London indicate that lawless people will use any means at their disposal to force their wills on others. Three men were killed by an automobile, people were openly beaten in the streets, and business establishments were looted while others were burned. Store owners had no way of protecting their property. The people doing the looting, and they weren’t just the poor and disenfranchised (a millionaire’s daughter, a ballet student, a musician, an organic chef, a university graduate student, a law student are just some of the types of people arrested), knew that they would meet little resistance. “In reality, the English approach has not reduced violent crime. Instead it has left law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them. Imitating this model would be a public safety disaster for the United States.”

So what does the law abiding citizen do? He shops on Amazon for baseball bats! He can’t buy guns, so he gets the next best thing, a metal version of the Louisville Slugger. In a 24-hour period, sales for baseball bats on Amazon UK rose by more than 6000 percent.

Defenseless citizens were also buying police-style telescoping truncheons. (The spring-loaded ones are illegal.) The Guardian reported the following: “Amazon has removed several police-style telescopic truncheons from sale on its site as soaring sales of truncheons, baseball bats and other items that could be used as weapons sparked fears of vigilantism in the wake of widespread rioting.

So now, law-abiding citizens are even more defenseless. They can’t even order a baseball bat on line to protect themselves from roaming thugs. Maybe it’s time they whittle down their cricket bats. Paul Joseph Watson writes: “Just like gun control, banning baseball bats only disarms the public and creates victims. Criminals will always be able to acquire weapons of any description because they do not obey laws. Leaving Brits defenseless will only embolden the rioting hordes.”


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  • okcfreedomfighter

    Ain't socialism and total government control over your safety great? I can't believe we don't have such amazing laws here! I mean could you imagine? Never having to worry about defending yourself, the government right there to serve your protection needs. No citizen will ever need a gun, knife, or bat again. Mmmmm.... utopia.

    While they're at it, they can provide us health care for the emergency injuries that come from being unarmed; feed us and clothe us when we get robbed because we can't defend our homes, or just for the heck of it. While they're at it they can promote all religions equally... except for those nasty, horrible Christians. Don't need their kind anyway.

    I can see it now! Communism Has Taken Over the USA!

    Beans and Bulets, people!

  • okcfreedomfighter

    Gun and bat control are great... for the criminals. Look at Mexico for a great example of gun control. People die everyday there because they're unarmed and can't defend themselves. Washington DC isn't any better. History proves that gun control only controls law-abiding citizens. What's next? If the governments of the world try to control everything that can be used as a deadly weapon, there will be nothing left. Even peanuts have been banned in some schools because it can make people sick. - I'm Alex, just decided to log in

  • Buzzymuzzwelle

    This is a great example of how intelligent our forefathers where. In America a citizen has the right to protect their home, business, and property from criminals. In England criminals can actually sue you for any harm they come to when atemping
    a crime against you! I America, a State Governor can call out the National Guard or State Militia if our ARMED police officers
    aren't enough. The 2ND Amendment is for this very purpose. Those who oppose it side with the criminals and crooked politicians hungry for power over the people. Buzzy

    • David B.

      Gave you a thumbs up for most of it but in Calif. Over the last 15 years there has been a handful of cases where the intruders were shot for breaking in and the courts sided with the crooks.One case that stands out is the one where a guy came in thru the skylite to burglarize the home and the owner shot him 5 times.He was paralyzed from the chest down. the owner lost in court.

      • racindavid

        Next time one of the 5 shots needs to hit him in the head. Game over.

        • ExAgraDriver

          Exactly, dead men tell no tales, or sue.

        • Skeptical

          You are right ExAgraDriver, but the family survivors of the thief do sue in civil court. This is because the Progressivist politicians in Sacramento declared by law, years ago, that only in the event against immediate personal threat of death to yourself or your loved ones can lethal force be used. Personal property is deemed less valuable than the thiefs' life. You catch the thief with his leg out the window exiting your home with your property under arm, you can't shoot him. Very in tune with english practices, eh?

      • LRW

        You need to move to Texas man ! Castle doctrine will protect you every time if they are in/on your property and intend to harm you, and you are in fear of your life, then you're OK if you protect yourself/family or property. You can even own a firearm without a license, but if you intend to carry you still must have a CHL. Texas has one of the strictest CHL requirements and it's not cheap, but well worth it.

  • GUEST ON THIS PLANET

    NEXT THE BAN WILL APPLY TO KNIVES, SPOONS,AND FORKS . HOW ABOUT STICKS AND STONES.

    • RoBoTech

      Since they break bones....they are next.

    • ExAgraDriver

      And bicycles.

  • Fireboatman

    The subjects (citizens) in the UK have to learn to take a stand at election time. Vote for MP's that will change the gun laws and make a big noise of it. I realise that Parliment has to overcome the House of Lords but with the way things are and getting worse I believe it is doable.

    • Terry

      Subjects is the correct description of the people of Great Britain as well as Australia and all of the sphere of the British influence. The difference here in the United States is that the people that founded this country understood that the people would be disarmed and disabled if they did not have a Bill of Rights, that was a fundamental requirement of some of the folks that were principles in the founding documents. Some of those rights are termed unalienable rights granted by God, and that speaks to both the religiosity of the folks at the time as well as their feelings about being able to defend themselves and their property. Thank God for them, since not all of them felt that way, there were those, like Alexander Hamilton that were Federalists, and did not believe that the people should have any power granted them!

    • uziitger

      After the British were disarmed a government official said "now we have our subjects right where we want them". They do have them where they want them; at the mercy of the lawless and the Muslims infesting their island. I won't go into what causes their 'stiff upper lip' here.

  • higley7

    I love it. You cannot buy anything with which you can defend yourself. The assumption is that you will use it as a vigilante. How about waiting until that happens and then worry about it?

    Heaven forbid that the citizens manage to do what the police fail to do. And how bad is it that someone will fight back and beat up the attackers? We cannot have that, now, can we?

    One might get the impression that they are protecting the attackers and looters AND perhaps what is happening is what they want. Can you say "police state"? "Curfew for all"? "All rights and legal recourse suspended"? Looks promising.

    • Carmel BVella

      I am far better off killing someone who threatens my life and have to face a judge and 12 jurors later, instead of myself being killed and the killer still loose to do it again.
      Get more guns and ammo, before THEY shut all the gun sellers down.

  • higley7

    For the protection of the citizens (looters) all citizens (not choosing to loot) are to be in their homes by 6 pm daily, sitting in their living rooms in handcuffs supplied free of charge, this week only, by the police. Anybody (handcuffed) being rash enough to attack another citizen (looter) will be prosecuted to the full extent if the law, if not killed already by the other citizen.
    To minimize violence, all citizens (not choosing to loot) are directed to leave the doors to their homes and businesses unlocked.

  • Montie R

    Not here, NOT EVER.

    • Violet

      Better check out the deals being made with the United Nations to control our gun laws. It won't be long and we will be just as defenseless as England.

      • http://sprint/yahoo kittycat78

        That's your sweet president he's busy bypassing congress to get our guns.Yipee I've can use the UN to get those suckers weapons. Harry reid must be the stupidest guy on the planet. obama does everthing but spit in the guys face everytime he bypasses congress. You would think reid would get the message. I don't need you, I can get what I want through a back door sneak.They are all so sick, so mentally ill I can't believe it.

        • Scott Todd

          He doesn't mind being bypassed as long as his agenda still gets through the back door.

  • Jim W

    The only person with the authority and responsibility to defend you and your family is YOU. The government (police) can not be everywhere and they are not really empowered to protect you, they are empowered to maintain the peace. They are great at filling out the papperwork later.

  • craig

    I hope a lot of folk here in the USA read what is happening in the UK and hope it will awaken them to the fact that a disarmed public here would be a total disaster. We have the second amendment for a very very good reason that we can defend ourselves against criminals or against a government which has run wild and abandoned our constitution!

  • Buck

    As long as the lunatics are running the asylum whether in the UK or the EU or the USA they will pass laws that are advantageous to the other lunatics and as long as the progressives ( ie: lunatics new name ) , are re-elected , we will keep progressing until we are all lunatics . HA HA ! HEE HEE ! HO HO !

    • http://sprint/yahoo kittycat78

      That was great. Very well expressed. And on top of the good writing, you are correct.

  • jimmy2beans

    Knives are hugely regulated in Great Britain. In fact they have locked tubs on the street where citizens can voluntarily dispose of their knives and furthermore lockback knives are banned. Dinnerware knives are the subject of much debate in their government because they want to ban any knife with a sharp end.

    Guns, knives, and now baseball bats. Must be wonderfull to be easy prey for perps in the U.K.

  • Rich

    And the western country with the lowest rate of violent crime.... Switzerland! Why you may ask.

    Every citizen serves in the military and leaves with their weapon. Every household is armed and every man and woman knows how to use it effectively. Wake up liberal dolts. The science is indeed settled on this one.

    • bob jones

      The liberals are awake, they don't care about the results of any of their ideas or programs, at least not positive results. They live in the theorhetical world and not the real world. They don't care that oppressive gun laws only put decent law-abiding citizens in danger from criminals who could care less what their laws say. This government and especially this administration are trying to put American's in the same position as the Brits through their false flag 2nd amendment attacks designed to heavily arm our enemies while taking our legal guns away. Can anyone say "Fast and Furious".How disgraceful, hundreds of dead citizens on both sides of the border, including law enforcement officers and yet no one has been held responsible yet.It is time for Issa and Grassley to put an end to Obama and Holder's stalling tactics.

  • james

    You could still carry and icepick!!

  • DAVID

    The UK has had its head in the sand for many, many years. For a long time the police didn't carry guns. The government finally made a partial change in that area and now some police can carry guns. The police can not even defend themselves, let alone protect the citizens. Did you hear about Norway? Again, no guns, and the lone 'security' officer on the island was not armed and was one of the first to die! The UK needs to wake up before it's too late. The recent riots should be that warning they need to heed.

  • David B.

    Everyone should know by now is that guns don't kill people,people kill people! Put a gun on the table and leave it alone and you will see it won't fire on its own. Gov't wants locks on guns and in lock boxes citing child safety but doesn't do you any good when someone breaks in.Use the gun on a perp and you'll be the arrested for not having the gun secured.

  • Rory

    Don't just sit there. Join the NRA, the GOA (Gun Owners of America), Second Ammendment Foundation, The Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear arms and a local gun club. Do something. Above all remember human life is sacred. Thus, lethal force is only justfied to protect human life and only as a last option.
    Peace.

    • R H Lehmuth

      FORGET THE NRA - they backed that malignant dwarf Harry Reid in Nevada. Their buy out price - a "new" Range in Nevada. Like Nevada doesn't have 1000's of square miles to shoot !!!!!

      • MikeACG

        Show me where they back Reid! I'm not convinced...

        • Guest

          MikeACG--Believe it.....Ask Wayne LaPierre---They backed Reid & were proud of it. I resigned my lifetime Membership over it,--Dave

        • thomas brock

          nra did not back reed . i get the people they back and they did not back him . he voted for bama judge and they told him they would not back him

        • MikeACG
  • Jim

    Actually anything you can use as a weapon will be considered that in a court of law or you will be considered to have "gone equipped" to commit a crime. The law on this really does suck here.

    • John

      Take self - defense classes and become a weapon yourself !!!

  • Luscombe Flyer

    It's been said, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".

  • BimBam

    This article is a beautiful example of liberal thinking in Britain.

    Yes, liberals only manage to bring human suffering and misery. Never forget that.

    I looked it up in the Devil's Dictionary and it says:

    Liberalism - a method used by the elite to impose human misery and suffering.

  • Old Highlander

    My wife is afraid of guns and I haven't shot anyone for a long time.

    • Gerd

      Let her know who is boss and shoot someone again wimp. We could revoke your man card.

    • Skeptical

      Well how do you get along with your wife?

  • SEAN MURRY

    Not here not ever.

  • Rusty

    My several guns have been faithful and obedient. My wife and I recently went on a 2 week vacation and when we returned not one of them had killed anyone or been involved in a crime. It's really true - guns don't kill...

    • Jim, American

      Yea, mine too... Even the one I had with me did no harm... and the ones I left home still had that good, clean gun oil smell...

      BUT, if that UN crap hits the fan,, well, I can see it now,,, All of my guns fell over the side of the boat while I was out on the lake ice fishing... ha ha ha...

  • liesofpeace

    I can't Help what has happen in the UK, but I can in the US of A, and I believe there are more than just a hand full of NRA members, so unless Obama or some other Prez call for marshall law, then I can't see that happening. Now, I could be alittle nieve in believeing that, But I can't see our Country doing the same as the UK, and I hope I am right. This is why all Gun owners MUST support the NRA, they are our only means of first strike, and that is thru communicating with our politicians, if that doesn't work, than America we have no other choice, but to defend our constitutional right.

    • Carmel Vella

      Believe this, we in the NRA are millions. If you own a gun and have not joined, do so , now.

  • Agent Orange

    "soaring sales of truncheons, baseball bats and other items that could be used as weapons sparked fears of vigilantism in the wake of widespread rioting." -- Why would that be a bad thing? If they let the vigilantes dash some rioters' brains out with baseball bats (sledgehammers, pipe wrenches, etc.) I bet the riots would soon come to a stop.

  • thomas

    if it had not been for the nra we would have to defend or give up our guns by now . you need to join the nra or at least thank them for what they have dun n .

  • Carmel Vella

    Why can't the brits manufacture a simple spring loaded short barreled tube style shotgun? One shot is all you need guys.

  • Bob Marshall

    Have those who voted for Obama had enough of Obama yet? Here are some facts. Blacks 96% voted for Obama Latinos 67% voted for Obama Asians 63% voted for Obama. The experts said these next two groups made the difference. 70% of married women-mothers and non-mother voted for Obama the age group from 18-30 mwhere predominately voter for Obama. electoral votes Obama 365 McCain 128 the main issue seemed to be the shape of the economy in 2008. Is it better today? visit www. The American Dream .com. See what we are in for in case of a riot or any civil unrest. Also find out what now can make us any of us domestic terrorist.

    • red-white-blue

      In essence, if voters had to take an I.Q. test, combined with a comprehension test, Obuma would of never got elected. I often said that only wage earners, who pay taxes should vote. Given our current crisis in America, Obuma should be outta there, by a huge margin, BUT, those non-workers, and government dependent idiots will still vote for Obuma, as all they care about is their free checks, free medical coverage, rent assistance, and all the other freebies they can get. The truly sad thing about the frebies, is that more and more people are looking at as their way of life. And guess who pays for it! We do! I would really like to spend MY hard earned money on ME! A common sense approach would be to lessen their hand-outs by 10% each year, and wean them off. Also, after 2 children, NO INCREASES! Since when do you get a pay raise, every time you have a kid? Surveys show that these kids follow in the footsteps of their mom, and we keep paying for this awful, viscious cycle! Absolutely insane!

  • Bob Marshall

    What we need in 2012 is a good ole fashioned house cleaning. Whitehouse that is.

  • Robert

    Old lead piping is an excellent tool for self defense as well as old lead covered cabling.

  • David Dobler

    Time for the people of Great Britain to immigrate to the United States and live under the Declaration of Independance.
    And, DO NOT let George Soros into the UK!!!!!!

    • CaptTurbo

      Soros has already attacked and destroyed the UK. His sights are set on the USA now.

  • Uncle Curtis

    http://saveus.org/docs/factsheets/guncontrolnotchristian.pdf

    This article is most informative .. what do you think

  • cosmos110

    The Ninja came from just this situation. Originally the Ninja were Japan's freedom fighters. The Emperor outlawed Samari Swords for anyone other than his soldiers. The Ninja arose because they were inventing ways to be fully armed walking around in public and the law didn't know because their weapons were not obvious.

  • Jim, American

    What will they do if it snows? Outlaw "snowballs"?

  • Myron J. Poltroonian

    The "Contract of America", which is being dismantled before our very eyes, is called the Constitution of the United States and its amendments thereto. Especially the first ten, commonly called "The Bill of Rights". Freedom of Speech; Freedom to Peaceably Assemble; Freedom to Seek Redress from our Government; Freedom to Own Property; Freedom of Movement; Freedom to call no man (or government) "Master"; Freedom to own firearms to Preserve, Defend and Protect "Our Lives, Our Property and Our Sacred Honor" from any and all who would deny us our rights, "both foreign and domestic". These are some of the freedoms, given to us by God, not Man, that are under continuous assault; day after week after month after year after decade after century, et cetera, ad nauseam. If I may quote Renauldus Magnus: "“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States when men were free." When this free speech is declared illegal, I'll become a criminal: "I may become an enemy of the state, but never of the people". Remember: "Always aim just below the blue helmet. No matter what color it is".

  • SkepticalOtto

    Maybe someday, the UK will come up with criminal control.