Should Christians Disengage from Politics?

Every political year, religion becomes an issue. Its always been that way. There’s no escaping it. Everybody is religious. Every law on the books is an application of someone’s view of morality. What is the basis of that morality? It’s got to come from somewhere. Foundationally, it’s the basis of someone’s religion.

Who determines the limits of civil government? Based on what?

Atheists are just as religious as the most devoted believer in God. They put their faith in their ability to reason. But reason to what based on what? Whose view of reason do we follow? Not all atheists agree on what’s reasonable. They’ll say “facts” trump religious beliefs. If facts were the key to right reason, then why do people looking at the same facts come to different interpretations of the facts? Facts don’t have a voice.

Most of the attacks on religion are directed at Christians because they believe in moral absolutes. In reality, there are very few things that Christians want the government to do in the name of religion. Truth be told, most Christians want the government to stop doing things.

The abortion issue is about what’s, or better, who’s being aborted, something abortionists don’t want to talk about. For them, it’s about “choice.” Choice to do what?

On the homosexual issue, Christians have little interest in what takes place behind closed doors. It’s when the government starts enforcing so-called hate crime laws and anti-discrimination laws directed at people who believe homosexuality is immoral that spurs religious folk like me to political action.

There are Christians who are calling on their fellow-Christians to disengage from politics. The so-called Culture War is obscuring the Gospel. Tell that to the prophets and to Jesus. Tell it to Paul and John.

No doubt Christians prefer to live a quiet life, as the apostle Paul wrote. They would prefer not to have to expend time, energy, and money fighting laws that one day could end up limiting their freedoms:

“First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Tim. 2:1–4).

These instructions to the young pastor Timothy did not stop Paul from challenging political reprisals against him (Acts 22:23–30). He even appealed to Caesar in a time when Jews had no political standing (25:11–12). Paul’s trump card was that he was a Roman citizen (22:28), and he took advantage of it, as we should today. Of course, we don't live under Caesar. We live under the Constitution of the United States that gives us the right to speak, write, and assemble to petition the government "for a redress of grievances."

There used to be a time when we did live a quiet and tranquil life because there was a time when Christians engaged their world culturally and politically. The goal has never been to save the world through politics but to put politics in its proper place. Our false sense of quietude and tranquility have gotten us to the place where we are losing what many fought so hard to gain.

What if a government starts molesting people for their beliefs or even their mere existence? What should a Christian do? The slave trade, the holocaust, and racial discrimination come to mind. The anti-slave trade was headed up by Christians. Study the life of William Wilberforce (1759-1833)  if you don't believe me. So was the civil rights movement.

When the allied troops liberated the death camps and saw the atrocities, the soldiers went into the surrounding towns and forced the citizenry to walk among the corpses. It was happening right under their noses and they did nothing. That wasn’t the “tranquil and quiet life” Paul was talking about.

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  • Evermyrtle

    I do wish I could answer that question!! I feel that if we want to add out little part to the country, and if there is a Christian running against and anti-CHRIST person, we should try to what we can to better the land in which we live. If all the candidates are about the same in all of their beliefs, what is the use? That is only my opinion.

    • BackhoeDale

      Exactly. Huckabee interviewed Andy Andrews, author of "How To Kill 11 Million People". As I understand it, the book brings out the point that if the German people had really known and cared enough to know Hitler's agenda [and look past his promises of restoring Germany] that he would never had become Chancellor. Everybody else is allowed to vote for and promote their own agendas. As Christians, we should too.

    • Xman3

      And Obama is Christian?
      Christians (those of faith) outnumber the loud anti-Christian, radicals. We surround them, but it doesn't seem that way since the Supreme Court ruled against 'Prayer/Bible Stories in School' due to one radical atheist. The Surpreme Court got that one wrong.
      The problem I see is the Christian bickering among professing Christians, whatever their viewpoint may be. Brings to mind, "United We Stand, Divided We Fall".
      If the Government sides against the Jews, we all become Jewish in support. If the Government sides against Catholics, we all become Catholic in support. If the Government sides against any of the may faiths, we all should support that faith and the freedom of religion as the Constitution requires.
      The Constitution intended that that Government be separated from religious freedom, not that the Church is separated from the State. The Supreme Court got another one wrong.
      Christians need to be very active and loud!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000198033907 TheChocolate Knox

    The world is going to hell in a hand basket anyway, right? Let the christian be about the duty he was called to, that is to preach the gospel and win souls. There's no command for the christian to win the government.

    • Gary DeMar

      Troublemaker!

    • Roger_T73

      If we let George Soros' tool have a second term, there will be NO USA in our children's future.
      obama's grand plan is to destroy the USA because some African Tribal Leaders sold their enemies into slavery!!!

    • pam

      Sometimes doing God's work is standing up for what is right, even if we have to do it alone like Jesus did. I serve the creator of the universe so this world He created is not going to Hell. Apathy and ignorance are deadly attributes and followers of the one true living God cannot be silent or stupid any longer, after all we can move mountains through Jesus.

    • jude

      Christians are not just to sit idly by and watch corruption happening in our government. We are given the right to vote and we must do it. When I vote I think about the teachings of God. He certainly would not be for abortion and homosexuality, etc. so there you have it. It's as easy as that. If you are for abortion and homosexuality then that makes you a democrat. Have you ever thought God talks in the Bible about the right and the left? Sheep on the right, goats on the left? What side do you want to be on.? I know no one is perfect, but still we must think about God when we vote. He doesn't want us to be lukewarm. You're either for him or against. Simple as that.

  • Mary

    Most certainly the Christian should be engaged in politics. The Christian voter is the moral fiber of our society and the ones holding the country together. Were it not for the Christian voter the USA would have long gone down hill faster than the globalist banksters could bring us down.

  • deeme

    All I can say is four words...For the Greater Glory...these Christian haters would love nothing more then for us to DISENGAGE...for what, so we can be like 70 percent of this World where yo have to hide to practice your religion or be killed..a majority of this country our religious, so why is the minority is trying to take God out of everything...
    The Ten Commandments According to Obama
    I. Thou shalt have no God in
    America, except for me. For we are no longer a Christian nation and, after all,
    I am the chosen One. (And like God, I do not have a birth certificate.)
    II.
    Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, unless it is my face carved on
    Mt. Rushmore.
    III. Thou shalt not utter my middle name in vain (or in
    public). Only I can say Barack Hussein Obama.
    IV. Remember tax day, April
    15th, to keep it holy.
    V. Honour thy father and thy mother until they are
    too old and sick to care for. They will cost our public-funded health-care
    system too much money.
    VI. Thou shalt not kill, unless you have an unwanted,
    unborn baby. For it would be an abomination to punish your daughter with a
    baby.
    VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery if you are conservative or a
    Republican. Liberals and Democrats are hereby forgiven for all of their
    infidelity and immorality, but the careers of conservatives will be forever
    destroyed.
    VIII. Thou shalt not steal, until you've been elected to public
    office. Only then is it acceptable to take money from hard-working, successful
    citizens and give it to those who do not work, illegal immigrants, or those who
    do not have the motivation to better their own lives.
    IX. Thou shalt not
    discriminate against thy neighbor unless they are conservative, Caucasian, or
    Christian.
    X. Thou shalt not covet because it is simply unnecessary. I will
    place such a heavy tax burden on those that have achieved the American Dream
    that, by the end of my term as President, nobody will have any wealth or
    material goods left for you to cove

    • Roger_T73

      WOW, that is perfect. It captures the Affirmative Action appointee of George Soros to a T.

    • numbe2sniklac

      This is well written and thought out. This is the new ten commandments according to
      obama.

  • Pastafarian

    No, but they should disengage from the Republican party. The evangelicals have destroyed the message of "small government". They have destroyed the message of "fiscal conservative". The evangelicals want the government to be "behavior police" and to get involved in the most personal areas of our lives, and money is no object when it comes to determining that. They would rather have Congress and the House debate these issues for months on end then do any kind of work on the budget or the debt.
    Christians need to start their own party. The evangelical party. You have massive numbers, and can really make a difference. Get Santorum back in the race. He was doing well against Rmoney. You can run on the platform of "Shun the Gays" and "Science is Unproven" "put the 10 commandments up in EVERY federal building" and "Jesus would not feed the poor"

    • Screeminmeeme

      Pastafarian.......That's crap.

      As a Bible-believing Christian, I don't care about whats going on in your bedroom, but I do care about any one group getting favored status...which is what the LGBTers want. And I am opposed to ''gay pride'' spectacles in which nude, grotesquely decked out people parade publically on main streets in America, obscenely celebrating their depravity while innocent children watch. Corruption of the young is one of their goals....otherwise they would not be so hell-bent on insinuating their ideas into schools.

      As a Christian, I will always oppose the torture and murder of the unborn which has no voice. Since 1973, 50+ million have been offered up on your altars of materialism and convenience and across the board, all human life has been devalued because of it. You apparently don't care one whit if they suffer and die, but I do and will fight people like you until Roe v Wade is overturned.

      No Bible-believing Christian would be against feeding the poor.....or would be for fiscal irresponsibility...or be in favor of incurring debt....because according to the Bible, all of those issues are called unrighteous acts.

      It's apparent that you despise Christians for standing against things that you think are perfectly fine. Sorry....prepare for battle. Bible-believing Christians will never acquiesce to the sinful demands of godless people....even if they are in charge....like Obama.

      • SmokingReb

        As a non bible believing conservative I have to agree with Pastafarian. You don't need Christian Morals to oppose the gay pride spectacles, question abortion issues or oppose the teaching of sexuality to grade schoolers. I left the Republican Party when the Moral Majority took over in the 60's and 70's and became an independent. Voting renders unto Cesare that which is Cesare's. How you live YOUR life renders unto God that which is Gods.IMHO

      • Pastafarian

        I do not "despise Christians" but I object to any one group getting favored status....which is what they want. (and get in many cases) I am opposed to the Church obscenely celebrating their ignorance and naivety while innocent children watch. Corruption of the young is one of their goals....otherwise they would not be so hell-bent on insinuating their ideas into schools.

        I support your feelings on abortion. You have the free speech right to oppose Roe v. Wade. But why is it that once the baby is born into a bad situation - Christians could care less if that baby suffers or dies. Let the baby go hungry instead of go on food stamps. Let the baby be homeless instead of getting welfare. Let the baby be an orphan instead of being adopted by qualified parents. This life you are protecting does not need protection after it is born?

        This country has many types of people with many different beliefs. The compromise it takes to live in a free society is beyond the strict teachings of your cult. This is why you need your own leader that can run on the Leviticus Law platform. Do not acquiesce!

    • Daniel from TN

      From the first four sentences in your comment I am able to determine you are a Liberal. Liberals always accuse Republicans of trying to do what Liberals are already doing. Psychology calls this "Projection," seeing your own faults in others but not in yourself.

      • Roger_T73

        Pastafaria, Daniel got your number.

      • Pastafarian

        You read my interest in SMALL GOVERNMENT and FISCAL CONSERVATIVE to be liberal? No friend, it is conservative. I want the government out of my day to day life. This means out of my sex life, out of my healthcare decisions, out of my decision to eat fatty foods, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, swear and gamble if I so choose. I want them to not spy on my internet habits and not to search me at the airport. I want the government to get themselves out of the bankruptcy they have found themselves in. ANY OTHER things the government is involved in right now is a distraction - FIX THE ECONOMY. Don't pander to this group that wants to impose their moral beliefs on everyone else while they do not even pay into the system.

  • http://therepublicanmother.blogspot.com/ republicanmother

    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge comes first in my mind.
    Second comes the verse where we fight not in the flesh, but after powers and principalities of the air.

    Not one in a thousand Christians know about the UN NGO, The Lucis Trust and how it works to mainstream the New Age and its connection to genocide, Hitler, etc.
    Not one in a thousand Christians understand how the tax exempt foundations, fully funded by big Wall Street banks, have been working long term plans to undermine the family through social engineering. The roots of the homosexual and feminist movements are to be found in the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations. These thing didn't just "happen" they were financed, propagandized and "experts" were hired to normalize them.
    Not one in a thousand Christians understand how much occultic influences have on politicians. Not a one will put together Michael Aquino of the NSA and the rampant demonism running through our military, as evidenced by the latest mainstreaming of sexuality.
    Not one in a thousand Christians has put together the fact that the Elite "need" for evolution to be true to justify their positions as "selected" for advancement. They openly talk about reducing the population by upwards of 80% (Ted Turner is on tape admitting it) If evolution is true, then they are justified in using sheer power to cull us. Yet Christians will go back into pointless arguments about whether we should be "allowed" to even talk about it. The devil knows the world was miraculously created, that's why he's got to delude everyone into disbelieving it!
    The Bible also says we should be able to give an answer to the hope that is within us. If you understand all of the above and lots more I don't have time to write out, it has never been easier to show people that the Bible is true, and the King is Coming.

    • mks

      A person with knowledge and faith. Lead onward Christian Soldier!!

      • Mark_OneTwo

        republican mother,
        I agree with all you said.
        In light of Gods Revelation “The Bible” all of your post is easily believed.

    • Justsayin

      Excellent reflection!! A Christian not engaged in opposing evil is one sorry excuse of a Christian. By all means pray, oppose, reject evil.
      Abortion, dissolution of families, Pornography, sexual perversion of every type and kind, greed, democide; all these manifestations of evil are of the devil. If the Godly refuse to "subdue the earth" and its barbarianism, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
      Apathy, it has been said, is the opposite of love.And the most formidable opponent of love is antiChrist for God is Love.

      • Jean

        If Christians disengage, then evil wins!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HADKEKLJD7ZYKVIJXVPQG3EJGE major

      What you are really writing about are the Luciferians, their religion can be traced as far back as Nimrods days in Babylon, the ruins are in Iraq.These people are real and serious about what they are doing, they are controlled by Satan and his fallen Angels, the Bible warns us of these Evil People and what we can expect in these last days, and it's a terrible picture, a time worse than anyother time in the history of the world, and there has been some terrible times, and that's counting the flood too. At least two Old Testament Prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah gives us several Prophecies about end time Babylon a literal nation not Religious Babylon. America has all the Characteristics being described by these two Prophets i have studied and prayed and studied and prayed to know who this end time nation is. You mention that the Christians today are so unaware it's because they are the Laodecian Christians they are blind and naked, they are being fed a Gospel filled with error. The last churches i attended it seemed like everyone was a clock watcher and they believed in the lie about a rapture, which would make Christ to come three times the Bible says some will be taken to a place of safty.The Revelation of Christ given to John, where John says he saw the Saints (Christians)who were beheaded because they wouldn't take the Mark of the Beast, this of course is has not happened,but i believe it will soon be upon us in matter of a few years. As for Ted Turner he made the claim and he was serious we need to dispose of at least a billion people, they will do this by war or some other means.

  • Screeminmeeme

    'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is
    that good men do nothing'.....Edmund Burke.

    This quote is not in the Bible but the principle is. Countless times, those who worshipped the One True God were told to take action....step in and protect the innocent.....stand for right....oppose the wicked..

    We are also told that men ought to obey God and not man. When man's laws tell you to do something that God is opposed to, then the Christian MUST resist and do all he can to see those laws changed. It takes time, effort, sacrifice, showing up, voting,and helping to see enough conservatives elected who will take the steps to repeal such laws.

    Just like the moral taught in the children's story, The Little Red Hen, those who refuse to contribute to baking the bread, don't get to eat.

    Anyone not willing to take part in the process has no right to complain about the results.

    And that's Biblical.

    • Mark_OneTwo

      Amen !

    • Xman3

      Christians (those of faith) outnumber the loud anti-Christian, radicals. We surround them, but it doesn't seem that way since the Supreme Court ruled against 'Prayer/Bible Stories in School' due to one radical atheist. The Surpreme Court got that one wrong.
      The problem I see is the Christian bickering among professing Christians, whatever their viewpoint may be. Brings to mind, "United We Stand, Divided We Fall".
      If the Government sides against the Jews, we all become Jewish in support. If the Government sides against Catholics, we all become Catholic in support. If the Government sides against any of the may faiths, we all should support that faith and the freedom of religion as the Constitution requires.
      The Constitution intended that that Government be separated from religious freedom, not that the Church is separated from the State. The Supreme Court got another one wrong.

    • jojostar

      yes it IS in the bible...JAMES 4:17: 17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. Complacency has swept this nation into disaster!!! If we continue to "watch" and be spectators this country and all of our CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES & RIGHTS will be LOST!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HADKEKLJD7ZYKVIJXVPQG3EJGE major

      The beginning of our Republic the people had Spiritual Faith,then they recieved Courage, and then came their Liberty, from that came Abundance, and then came Complacency, and from that came Apathy, and the next phase is Dependence which half the people in this country are in now, the last step is back to Bondage. The framers of our Constitution had contempt for Democracies because they always implode, but since President Wilson was our first Marxist who gave the people access to the public treasury and put in place the Evil Organization I.R.S which is a government within our government and Roosevelt who really got the ball rolling to destroy our Republic. Those seven steps i listed above Complacency and Apathy was the beginning of our downfall we allowed these heathens to destroy our schools and by doing that we have a nation with many fools voting away our God Given Freedom.

      • Screeminmeeme

        major....Those who don't learn from history are more apt to repeat it. This cycle has long been the downfall of many cultures. It's way too easy to take our liberty for granted.

        "But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government." -- Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837.

  • Andy

    We render unto Caeser the things that are Caeser's and unto God that which belongs to God. It is evident that we, as Christians, are engaged in both scenarios. AND, if that is indicative of the circumstances, we do in all good conscious, need to be involved in our political arena as defender's of those things which would delineate from God's supremacy.

  • Winston

    I am quite surprised the author failed to include God's directive to mankind to "be good stewards of all" things He gave to us...which includes our unalienable freedom and liberty, property rights, our own health, to provide and protech our loved ones, etc.. So, if the proponents of Christians NOT participating in politics then how does a Christian be a good steward? To avoid it would be to deny God's directive...and that is a sin.

    • Glen R.

      Winston, I totally agree with your thoughts on this very serious and important issue. If I may add to your thoughts, I believe that it is not only our Christian duty to participate but it is a necessity. If the Progressives and Socialists are elected then our religious freedom is in jeopardy. The Constitution will be re-written or completely thrown out. This is the direction our beautiful country is headed with the mind-set of 50% of Americans in this country. Unless the Christians stand up and fight, it will be hard to beat the current mind-set of that 50% plus the mass media bias to the left. Christians are the strength and foundation of this great nation, so if we can gather the Christian active involvement in this upcoming election, we can defeat the evil force that is attempting to destroy our nation. God will never be beaten but he wants us to stand in faith to fight the fight with him.

      • exshuttleguy

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
        This is the second paragraph of our Declaration of Independence, on which the Constitution of the United states is based. The Progressives among us, in both parties, want to eliminate that part of our Declaration of Independence so that they can make our Constitution out to be just a historic document that would change with history, science and the movement of mankind. They would like to make it a Living document that can evolve with time. Man can then determin what our rights should be, not God. There is good news: God does not change and neither do His Rights.

        • dean29685

          While I agree with both of the above comments I would like to point out that the churches that say we should not participate in politics are in fact doing just that.
          Today as in all other things in our society the church is splitting into two along political lines we basically have the progressive/liberal churches who believe that
          every one evolves and the bible at its teaching should to (to keep up with the secular) and those of us who believe the bible is is the word of GOD not man and that we should with our last breath defend it. That means follow it and stand against those who would try to make us follow their path to perdition.
          See you at the wall.

        • Evermyrtle

          What is meant by "Born equal." Many who deny GOD swear that every person is born equal. How are we born equal, the only way that I can see, that we are really born equal is that GOD loves every person when they are born, alike. Seldom are identical twins born equal, Some are born fat, some thin, some are deemed to live to over 100 years, some die very young Some are born with great wisdom and potential, some will be poor and little discerning powers all of their lives. Some are born to rich parents some are borne to poor parents. Some are born in freedom, some in slavery, some to Christians some to anti-GOD parents, some are born to parents that would give their lives, to save their offspring some never get to be born, they are murdered in the womb.

          This is something I have wondered all of my life "exactly what born equal mean. The only thing, that has ever made any sense to me is that every soul is a child of GOD and HE loves each one the same. That makes me wonder, about even that because, again many who say "born equal" hates my GOD.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N5ANPSTY2BZTZCOQOQCW5QJEVI Firsty

          The Founding Fathers said that all men (this also refers to women as the bible does) are "created" equal. There is a difference between creation and being born. We were created by our "creator". This was before the time of "birth" as we had a spirit before a body. It doesn't mean were were all dealt an equal hand. If you were born in the U.S., you actually won the birth lottery and should be thankful for your liberties which are not available in many other countries. We were all born with different talents and trials to go through as a test to exalt or condemn us. Although those who were murdered in the womb will not get their time on earth to be tried and tempted, they will receive the same opportunity to reject or accept the gospel of Jesus Christ. Many people say that God's love is unconditional which I do not believe to be true. We will be destroyed if we are not obedient to his laws and ordinances (commandments). There are also many examples in the Bible of His wrath being 'kindled' against a person or group.

        • exshuttleguy

          Proverbs 6:16-19;These six things doth the Lord hate:yea, seven are an abomination unto Him:A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethern.

        • Mainman12

          Evermyrtl, To be born equal or created equal means to be created with equal value IN GOD'S SIGHT by Him who loves us all equally. It is never about to whom we are born or where we are born or how rich or poor our parents are or how good/bad/rich/poor our country of citizenship is.
          This is only about our personal relationship to our loving God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In recognition of this truth our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence expressed in in the way that here in a country (established as much as possible to reflect this understanding) to establish a country with equal opportunity for all but not at all equal outcomes because our outcomes in this physical world for many reasons including our own innate intelligence of each citizen is not equal which is stated as follows, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Christ wants us to do the best we can with the gifts with which He has chosen to give us according to the needs He knows we have to choose to follow Him. The things we gain in this world are of a dim second importance. May you be richly blessed today and every day. In His love, Mike.

        • Texlander

          That's and easy one and "self evident". Just read the whole sentence. "... that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
          with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and
          the pursuit of Happiness." We are created equal (not the same) with respect to the rights we have been given by God. All the other differences you mention have no bearing on those rights we are given by God. Those in government have no more right to those rights than all the people that they rule. For instance, I have a right to keep and bear arms to defend myself and my family and no ruler or even a majority of people has a right to keep me from that. If anyone denies me, or anyone else, that right they are in violation of the will of the Creator who gave the right to me.
          Every problem we have in this country is a result of the church backing off their responsibility as stewards of one of the most precious blessings, other than Jesus, ever given to the people of the earth. The United States of America. We have to return to praying, like it all depends on God, and working, like it all depends on us. And by working, I mean doing our civic duty to be informed and involved in our government from the PTA to Pennsylvania Street. One way to get started is to join your local Tea Party. You will find a lot of your brothers and sisters in Christ there and they are already making a difference.

        • john

          and/or start your own Tea Party...I live in an area where the county next to mine adopted my county into their Tea Party...after talking to their officials that were urging Romney in the primaries I realized they were NOT even Tea Party people...I pointed out that Ron Paul was the Father of the Tea Party, they said they loved him but were voting Romney (Williard) Anyway, I will start my own Tea Party based upon true conservative and not Rinoism values...shortly for my county

      • "Dallas"

        Could it be that the 50% you refer to are the "product" of the 60's generation, remember them? Since today's so-called adult children are the "product" of that generation, I think the Biblical phrase becomes fairly clear of "the blind leading the blind." One cannot learn if they are not taught, nor influenced by good example.
        Although, there is a condition to ponder. a parent, whether they like it or not, is going to be an example, one way or the other, a good example, or a bad example. And that starts from day one.
        I recall reading an article by a Psychologist who's patient asked when she should begin disciplining her 5 year old child, the Dr. said "you're 5 years too late." Therein lies the 50%

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000303879569 Nanette Gray

          @Dallas, I am a child of the 60"s thank the Lord in heaven I am very much a conservative and a Christian! I was never for abortion and so many other issues that were prevalent during the time when so many social issues started to change. If anyone called me anti feminist, I just told them i did not need to be a feminist, because Christ said I was free already and did not need to have any more rights than God gave me!

        • "Dallas"

          Nanette, You obviously are of the 50% that "is not blind". Good for you! And ,Yes! God gave mankind all that he needs, and even more for the simple "task" of, asking.
          Liberals define Liberalism as does Webster, ie: "Freedom FROM restriction." (early additions included, "even Moral Law." which :they didn't like, so removed that part.)
          An example among God's "gift" to mankind, that Liberals simply don't understand and misinterpret on purpose so as to "salve ones conscience" is that of "Mutual gratification". Liberalism defines that almost on a anamialistic plane, whereas God created that "Gift" to be right and proper within the context of a Sacramental Marriage of a Man and a Woman. On the one hand, it's sinful, on the other it's not, so no suppression of Conscience necessary.
          THANK YOU FATHER!

        • "Dallas"

          Nanette, You obviously are of the 50% that "is not blind". Good for you! And ,Yes! God gave mankind all that he needs, and even more for the simple "task" of, asking.
          Liberals define Liberalism as does Webster, ie: "Freedom FROM restriction." (early additions included, "even Moral Law." which they didn't like, so removed that part.)
          An example among God's "gift" to mankind, that Liberals simply don't understand and misinterpret on purpose so as to "salve ones conscience" is that of "Mutual gratification". Liberalism defines that almost on a animalistic plane, whereas God created that "Gift" to be right and proper, when it's within the context of a Sacramental Marriage between a Man and a Woman. Outside of that it's considered sinful, on the other, it's not, so no suppression of Conscience necessary.
          THANK
          YOU FATHER!

        • Raymond1
    • http://twitter.com/BradNova Brad Nova

      Really, property rights?

      • Winston

        The intent of saying "property rights" focuses on those who already own property, but NOT intended to infer that all citizens have a "right" to own property because that is a patented lie and deceiption by some in government. Ownership of property is a priviledge, not a right. However, once a person owns property it is a God mandate that property owners are to protect their property as something to be a good steward of.

        • Willis

          I am fed up to the gullett with this word "privilege". Privilege assumes something is dispensed by a higher authority. What authority? A "right" is something inalienable. In this constitutional republic, I have a "right" to own property or I have a "right" not to own property if I choose. There is no room for "privilege" in a republic. "Privilege" is reserved for tyrants and oligarchs. "Rights", it is true, can be curtailed when one abuses the rights of others, but it still remains a "right". When the state begins dispensing "privileges", it ceases to be a republic. We are at a crossroads deciding whether we will remain a republic who protects "rights" or an oligarchy that dispenses "privilege". Choose you this day...

        • Winston

          You confuse right with priviledge... the ability to produce the funds to not only buy property but to maintain it in a way that does not destroy the value of your property and that of your neighbors. A part of the current down turn in our economy is due to the Bush administration creating opportunity to anyone a mortgage to buy a property they could not afford nor maintain. That's why many homes have gone under water (foreclosure, short sales, etc.) and putting the economy in a tailspin.

        • Bama59

          Winston, who created the opportunity for people to obtain a mortgage that could not afford to pay it or maintain the property? I think you need to go a little further back in your research. While you are correct that the housing problems have caused a majority of our economic problems there is a root problem that caused it. It was caused by progressive liberals trying to buy votes from people by forcing banks to make bad loans to those you mention. Which still is not the very basis of the problem, that would be the attempted control of our economy by the government from the minimum wage to social security and welfare.Think.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_REFOGE4Q2OLNXCSQA3KT6623FE Joe in CT

        If you've ever read anything about Revolutionary history, you'd know that the proposal was in place to have one of our Founding Documents say, "... Life, Liberty, and Property Rights". After debate, the end of the phrase was changed to "...the Pursuit of Happiness". If a big chunk of the profit of your labor is confiscated by the government, then your right to your "property", the fruit of your labor, was being stolen without your agreeing to it. The colonists called it, "Taxation without representation".

    • budman

      Winston: I am a Christian but Mr. Demar is making reference to all religions and had to put it, in my opinion, that context.
      Like all others on this site, we as a group, need to vote this November because it is critical to this nations health and welfare or we will continue the slide as a great nation. This is the most corrupt administration ever in the history of the United states and they must be removed.

      • Winston

        The problem with voting in the 2012 election for President will not produce the desired change the conservatives in the Republicant party wants because they've put forth yet another neo-con just like they did in 2008 with McCain. The Republicant elites refuse to listen to the will of the people and this will destroy America because the progressives (globalists) in both major political parties are tied to globalism and socialism. America needs to revert back to respect for our Constitution and Rule of Law, and dedication to national sovereignty even if it means a bit of separatist thought... closing our doors completely to illegal immigration and supporting lazy good for nothing people living off of the government, generationally.

        • Reason This

          you are right. cry baby boehner is a perfect example- no backbone, an elitest. how pathetic a 'man'. his dreams were only for himself- he's like oblahblah. that's why we need to be involved and get new people- tea party folks in. sorry, but my caps is broken.

        • Bama59

          You have identified the problems, now you must accept the fact that we can not fix them with one felled swoop. To return to our constitution and rule of law is going to be a long row to hoe. Take the baby steps, we must fist start to fight against the globalist/socialist, and progressives. Think how many decades it has taken to bring our country so close to ruin and realize that it will take us many to repair the damage that has been done. First step, educate our children (grandchildren in my case) on how to live properly.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HADKEKLJD7ZYKVIJXVPQG3EJGE major

      When Obama was elected as president there were many Black Preachers across this country who told their members that Obama was sent to them from God and the Muslim Louis Farakan said he was the Messiah but there is one Black Preacher who told his flock Obama is from the Devil he lost some members but now are coming back and these other pasters are losing members and are upset when Obama endorsed Gay Marriage.Please check out atlahministries.org

    • Terrence

      I agree 100 percent Winston. If the Christians did nothing they would had wiped us off the face of the planet centuries ago. We are ordered, by the Bible, to stand our ground even if that means getting into politics. How else are we to do the Lord's work if we cowered in our homes. If we stood on the sidelines it wouldn't take long before governments took our homes.

  • certainlytruth

    I
    highly recommend this book, “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?” because it
    explains just why Americans CANNOT TRUST ROMNEY, on any level, and explains why
    THIS IS NOT A KENNEDY/CATHOLIC SITUATION. Mitt Romney and the Mormon Church
    have an agenda to bring America and the World under the Mormon Government of
    God. They are trying to fulfill the White Horse Prophecy that states that the
    government will hang by a thread and the Mormon Church will come in and save
    it. Also that the Mormons will rule the entire earth, hand and hand, side by
    side, with Jesus Christ from Jackson County Missouri (their Garden of Eden) and
    the religion of Mormonism will be the one world theocracy religion of which to
    perform the government through.

    • Roger_T73

      Looks like we well end up under a Theoracy one way or the other. Islam or Mormon.
      I prefer the Mormon religion to the Islam Cult of Violence (definately not a religion).

      • certainlytruth

        You made a good point here. Might I suggest that you listen to this intervew all the way through? I think you will find it interesting. It's between Brian Fischer of AFR and radio host Bob Enyart. It's really eye opening: http://kgov.com/bel/20120524

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evelyn-P-Johnson-Rees/1037099838 Evelyn P. Johnson-Rees

      Certainutruth....OH please, you are really a very stupid person to say all you have here. I heard the same thing when Kennedy ran for President, that the pope would has say in whatever Kennedy did. You have no idea what you are talking about about. Just spirting out a buch of nonsense, you are not certaintruth you are certainliar..

      • certainlytruth

        You must be a Mormon. "Lieing for the Lord?"
        And if you are not a Mormon, you don't know what you are talking about. Read that book and educate yourself before you call someone a liar.

  • http://twitter.com/Rapete78Ruthie Ruthie

    Forever, Oh Lord, Your word is settled in heaven. (Psalm 119;89)
    God is standing in the shadows of history, still working to bring His plans to completion. What we are seeing in the world confirms what Jeremiah said centuries ago!
    "The heart is deceitful above all thing, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"
    Never forget that God will speak history's final word. No matter how foreboding the future, the Christian knows the end of the story, and it is glorious!
    Don't lose heart, the best is yet to be!

    • Mark_OneTwo

      Thanks Ruthie, that truly helped my attitude.
      "Never forget that God will speak history's final word"

  • Matthew

    Amen! and perfectly, well since we are talking about God, almost perfectly said! Thank you, Godfather.

  • Pastor Jim

    Should Christians disengage in Politics...? If they do they will be left with that which the Secular world dictates... we as Christians need to stand strong and speak out with boldness.

  • Brama

    Some of my friends are Democrats, some are Republican, but God is independent. In other words, it really doesn't matter what political platform you are from if you are ultimately going to reject God, and His Truth. Look at Israel in the Old Testament. They received judgment time and time again. Was it because they were Socialists? Was it because they were Republicans? No. They fell under judgement because they rejected God and His Truth. And I believe that when America abandons the political view-point of voting based on what best honors God and His word, you are already doomed to eventually experience God's judgment, as well as the natural consequences that come with making sinful and unwise decisions. Should we stay engaged in the political scene? Absolutely, but let's not forget that the Gospel is not political, but rather through the Gospel, we will make more choices that honor God and His Truth. And until the gospel being heard and spread is received by the masses, the political health of our country will only continue to worsen. Only when the human heart is transformed by the word of God and made alive in the Spirit, is there hope for a healthy political arena.

    • Michaellaborde

      What soever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

      • Brama

        Exactly. And I think too many people have been convinced that politics and faith are completely unrelated... which is not true. It's just that we don't want a politicized form of Christianity. But that doesn't mean that the gospel doesn't have political ramifications.

  • flaphil

    This is a true fight of good vs. evil in this country. Christians have a moral obligation to fight the evils of killing babies, the elderly along with the evils of illicit sexual pleasure and false idols.

  • pduffy

    The lost message of true Christianity is that Jesus Christ came to be a king, not just die for your sins so you can float off to heaven. True Christians believe that Christ is their king, and not man, and that he was born to rule the world and the universe. Therefore, ALL GOVERNMENTS of this world will be subject to Christ at his coming, so voting is actually an act of rejecting Christ, in favor of a man. The Kingdom of God has not yet come to the earth (yes it's coming here, not the other way around by floating off to heaven). I am willing to wait for him, and not try to FORCE MY WILL upon anybody. If everybody just lived their own life in Godly fear, and stopped trying to vote their ideas on their neighbor, we would already have a peaceful world. Paul also said, "all the day long we are like sheep for the slaugher", because a lamb is peaceful by nature, and does not resist, even unto death. Paul did petition Cesar for the furtherance of the Gospel, NOT to change this world which is passing away. The "action" we are to take as Christians is to keep the commandments of God - period. Political fights are forbidden to the true Christian, because it implies a takeover of the government, and that's for God and Christ alone.

    • jude

      We do need to vote. If we don't we say we don't care who is our leader. I care enough that I don't believe in abortion or homosexuality, etc. and I am going to vote for someone who is against it. Would God want you to sit idly by?

      • pduffy

        You have not learned the lesson of the Children of Israel when they rejected God in favor of a fleshy king. God warned them what would happen if they chose a flesh-and-blood man to rule over them and he said to them, "And you will cry out in that day because of your king (president) whom you have chosen (voted) for yourselves, and the LORD will not hear you in that day.” The people voted for Obama without even checking his birth certificate. What kind of leader do you think the people can choose for themselves? God has chosen Christ, and I am good with that. I don't need another king like you. It won't make any difference who is the next president, the homosexuals still will not repent.

      • SmokingReb

        Exactly!

    • Rich

      I, for one, am very unwilling to be led to my slaughter by anybody. I have put on the armor of light. I have also put on Kevlar. It is my duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America and I will resist, by any means (non-violently-if I can obtain my objective that way) possible. I am a Christian, and you can count me in this group. To sit idly by and say it's GOD's Will, or Imshallah, and it will be done by him without human intervention is crap!. I'm sorry, God has more important things to do, so he sends me to do his will. I am his servant, he can do with me and my body as he wishes. If I am to be persecuted, then so be it. Let the lightning fall and Christ, or Savior, return and straighten out this mess, if that it his will. Not only my body, but my soul is his!

      If you don't want to interact to save the very land we live in, and coast along in your dreamy little world, then leave our country! We don't need you. It is your DUTY as a citizen of this country to vote! If not, then I'll see you at the FEMA camp on burial detail! No matter which side of the ground I will be on or in!

      • pduffy

        I am perfectly fine with being killed for following Christ - the reward is 1000 years reigning with Christ at the 1st resurrection. Revelation says, "they loved not their lives to the death", and the souls that cry out under the altar of God are told, "wait a little longer until your fellow brethren are killed", before God avenges them. Satan's ministers will kill Christians, if you rise up to kill them, you have become like them, so what do you mean by "resisting". The voting booth is futile. It's all coming to and end, but when Christ does return to take the reins of power, the world will indeed "resist" because man wants to have his own government apart from God. You will never get the government you want with politics and fighting, it just leads to more wars.

  • Thomas Few

    Christians should pay attention to what happens in the political world! It effects all of us! I've heard too many leaders in the church to ignore what goes on in the secular world and politics! Because of this miss guided message,we are now in a world of hurt! Next is Marshall law around the corner! Bibles outlawed! We can't fight the enemy if we don't know what the enemy is doing ! Revelation now has begun!

  • Roger_T73

    Praise the Lord and pass the amunition!!! says it all.Invest in precious metals, brass and lead!!! Live Free or Die.
    Praise the Lord and pass the amunition!!! says it all.Invest in precious metals, brass and lead!!! Live Free or Die.

  • TheGizmo51

    I sure don't want to be paying for their tax exempt status with my tax dollars.

  • e1313ruth

    America is in such moral bad shape because Christians did not vote and participate in politics...until the devil swallowed half of America...

  • Worthington

    Sure American Christians should stay away from politics so the evil anti-americans can turn this best country on the earth into a LIVING HELL.... unopposed...

  • Glenda

    Ditto: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
    We, Christians, must take a stand for our Religious Freedom. It is being taken away from us, but given to the Muslims. Where is the freedom for Christians? Our current President & his Czars are ruining our country.

  • hongryhawg

    No! Do not disengage! If we do, Satan wins. And by Satan I mean the liberals, whom are Satan personified. They would like nothing more than to move "forward" without opposition. It's true that I get so disgusted with what the political process has become that I consider leaving it alone to self-destruct. But, I can't. As a responsible person, I cannot stand idly by and allow Satan to win. God is marking down those who do turn a blind eye and they will reap his wrath.

    • Michaellaborde

      Satan has lost already, he just doesnt know it yet. But in the end God wins. And so It is Written.

  • PrinceCharIes

    politics and religion are the same thing, the founding fathers called them twins.
    If you politics is murder, war, abortion, entitlement, sociaIism, control, homosexuaIity then that is also your religion.
    However if you politics is based on the constitution (which is based on scripture) then your religion is righteousness, peace, love, freedom, and even family, then that is also your religion.

  • samtman

    Of course not, as long as we don't mix religion and politics.

    • Anti-Federalist

      On the contrary, the heart of our Great
      Commission is to "make disciples of all nations (ethnos=cultures). Psalm
      Two calls on the kings of the earth to "kiss the feet of the son" Jesus is King of kings.
      Read more at http://www.America-Betrayed-1787.com

      I think the author is on the right track
      except for the very last paragraph. David Irving's detailed historical studies
      of wartime communications of both Churchill and the German high command reveal
      the gross exaggeration of German atrocities. That includes daily reports of
      deaths from the commandant of Auschwitz, which
      were read daily by the British code-breakers. The death count was a small
      fraction of the legendary 6 million.

      Much of the civilian death toll -- Jewish
      and otherwise -- was caused by the total warfare waged by Allied forces. For
      example, the Allied bombing of Dresden,
      which contained no significant military targets, was totally barbaric. There
      were more civilian deaths caused by the 3 waves of Allied bombers at Dresden than either Hiroshima
      or Nagasaki.
      Hitler himself avoided bombing British cities until goaded by Churchill.

      • Pastafarian

        Yikes. Nazi sympathizer? This is the example of a Christian nation you look to?

  • e1313ruth

    I recognized in 1980 the evil that primarily democrats were heaping on America under the guise of freedoms.. I wrote letters to churches and editors about Christians becoming involved in politics lest we cease to exist....I warned of impending judgment because of abortion, homosexuality and the godlessness that was invading America.....We are there now.....God has allowed our enemies to invade us in judgment..
    God still has full control..He is sepearating the tares from the wheat....Christians win this battle..At least the REAL Christians win....The hypocrites will be rooted out...
    Had Christians been fully awake it would not have gone as far as it has...As Jesus said to Peter..."Could you not watch with me one hour"...

  • EdinNola

    Christians should avoid politics if they wish to have their religion and their personal lives and decisions taken over by Godless atheists. I guarantee that those Godless atheists will NOT stop trying to achieve their goal of controlling us all.

  • Ginna

    I think the Hollywood crowd should stay out of politics!

  • fstocking

    Paul used the Roman citizenship to spread the gospel , NOT to change Roman law. Being non resistant and turning the other cheek are clear doctrines in the Gospels. The flesh, self is that which wants to get involved in politics, the world. When you are clearly commanded to think on heavenly things.

  • Reelman1946

    Why is this question asked now?
    Islam, black churches and many jews are extremely political. Thinking people know this country had a moral tradition...sort of a ten commandments plus thing...as morals decay the family decays and the nation decays...as we have seen.
    If the gov-meant boldly trashes moral foundations (as this one has)...are churches to bow down or speak of our moral foundations to their flocks? Maybe Germany in the late 1930s should give Americans a clue.
    Morals matter, character counts...that starts in the highest offices but the "haters" of any moral restraint (aka they are gods unto themselves) have succeeded beyond belief since maybe Woodstock...anyone proud of the results of a nation begin secularized? Look at the level of shame and respect of our children now...just start there and ask WHY???

  • ansonheath

    If we look at the state of our nation today, we should be able to conclude that something in our national culture and character is missing. At the same time, when we examine the state of the church at large, we find an overemphasis on personal salvation and hardly a mention of 'advancing the kingdom of God'. In other words, God and church have become our divine butler to solve our personal problems and emotional comforter.
    Go ye into the world? Are you kidding? Why bother - Jesus is coming soon! Despite what the creed says, this is what many Christians believe and act on.
    Connecting these dots doesn't take a genius to arrive at the conclusion that a large source of our national shortcomings can be laid right at the doorsteps of our houses of worship.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7OBLR6XXO5U5LLPWYOGH3L7LE joe

    Liberals do not like borders,rules, or restrictions that do not let them do what they want based on their own wants. They accuse the rules that protect our freedoms and rights as being "bossy" and "interfering" with their wants; without realizing that those rules are exactly what gives them the freedom and protection from the government and other individuals that may want to interfere with their life and their pursuit of happiness!

  • paperpushermj

    Hell no, for the Christian Community is destained to be the Savior of this Country.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2FBVNOWQPZM7ITMQQLUKPOACK4 PamelaD

    "Should Christians Disengage from Politics?"

    The answer is not just NO; it's HELL NO!!

  • GoodBusiness

    They did that in 2006 and 2008 - how did that work out for the nation and religious freedoms?

    • Michaellaborde

      When the socialist took power in2006 in their majoeities in the house aand senate, principles and precepts were turned away.

      • GoodBusiness

        Were they not given away by the Christians just staying home - Socialists were GIVEN POWER - they did nothing to grab it from the conservatives.

  • stoneface

    In Joshua Chap 1 Out Father said this, FEAR NOT, BE STRONG AND COURAGEOUS...Be careful to obey My Words that My servant Moses gave you. Do not turn to the right or the left and you will have success wherever you go... Do not let the Book of My Word depart from your mouth. Meditate on it day and night..be careful to follow My instructions...THE LORD YOUR GOD WILL BE WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU GO.

    This battle against wickedness that we now face is not ours alone.
    It is not new in human history. Heaven stands ready. Once more let us advance the Kingdom of God. We have been born of God, let the devils be afraid! The weapons we have are not carnal but mighty through God.

  • Sam

    The idea of Christians getting out of and ignoring politics is a horrible idea. If that happens then the godless or the extremists of other religions will run the government and make things more immoral than you can imagine.

  • e1313ruth

    As for rendering unto caesar, the men who questioned Jesus about this slithered away because they understood his answer and He had made fools out of them...His answer was....Whose image and SUPERSCRIPTION is on the coin....It was of course Caesar's image and the superscription was that caesar was god and or /son of god.....No man should ever support those who are posing as god or his messiah...as the Roman gov. did and as America is doing today.. But thank God we in America have the political power to stop it.. The original meaning of seperation of church and state means the government should get the h out of the churches business.....It never never never meant for the church to get out of government....

    • SmokingReb

      I suspect the founding fathers were going for freedom from religion in politics. There is a difference IMHO 76% of the American People have faith in a higher power, not all are Christians. When that 76% stands together with respect for our differences is when we achieve God's plan. IMHO

      • Michaellaborde

        The founders said that this republic which was created for a moral , God Centered electorate, Once it was centered on self, it would not stand but would fall to tyranny and thus enslave the whole.

        • SmokingReb

          The definition of a republic as I understand it, is the protection of one individual from the tyranny of government and society to live in peace that they harm no others. The definition of a democracy is the rule of 51% of the people telling 49% of the people how they should live for the common welfare. God I think would approve of republics.

  • Nottakenyan

    This is an assinine question.
    What America needs to do is ban Islam and Muslims. It is not a religion, it is a MENTAL ILLNESS !!!

  • Marat Bandemer

    Unfortunately, the church at large, and as a consequence the clergy, hide behind their vestments, and remain detached from defending "the faith", and the mandate of Christians to "go forth and baptize all nations". No where does this admonition say except Muslims, Buddhists, et al. The church at large has become one with those who would rather be politically correct than to speak the truth. They too lie to themselves avoiding confrontation. Imagine if Jesus Christ had not been aggressively confrontational; proactive in his Godly mission. Imagine what this troubled world would be like today! The church is important to the political arena, but only if it speaks out with courage and truth, attacking with vehemence what is wrong, and attempt to teach what is right. The church has to come out from hiding and not be afraid to speak up and out.

    • Ray

      Exactly!

  • PrinceCharIes

    Rev 11:15
    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become (the kingdom) of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    ASV

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BFEWWC44JYOFZ4K7MKFD4RNX4E Sam

    The politicians would like the Christians to stay out of politics, wouldn't they? Then there would be nothing holding them back from all the evil they wanted to do.

  • Mike

    If Christians don't engage in this fight, who will? If we don't stand up to these anti-god Progressives, they will have their way with us and ruin our great country. This country was blessed by God when it was founded and our wise founding fathers made all kinds of references in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. I am not one to give in to the anti-god crowd. They can go live in Cuba or Venezuela and leave this country alone.

  • Mike

    If Christians don't engage in this fight, who will? If we don't stand up to these anti-god Progressives, they will have their way with us and ruin our great country. This country was blessed by God when it was founded and our wise founding fathers made all kinds of references in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. I am not one to give in to the anti-god crowd. They can go live in Cuba or Venezuela and leave this country alone.

  • http://twitter.com/pahaysaz Paul Hays

    That Christians have, as a whole, withdrawn from politics is the reason politics have become as rank and secular and fetid as it has. We need to be involved in good government, not in our cloistered communities like medieval monks.

  • http://profiles.google.com/pudbertsavannahga Mort Leith

    We need to disengage LIBERALS and Socialists from politics ! ! !

    And we need to stop these same liberals from Promoting Muzlims and trashing Christians !

  • Breezeyguy

    Christians are obligated to inform the culture with true natural law principles.

  • MichaelH

    In short...NO...Christians should take their responsibilities at the voting place, seriously. They should oppose those whose principles are not their own, and support those who agree to govern IN agreement with their Christian principles.

    If I had known that Barack H. Obama was a drug user (of all types, evidently) I wouldn't have voted for him...hey wait...I didn't vote for him anyway, and I sure as heck won't do so this November.

  • Jason Johnson

    Those opposed to Christianity won't addmit it, but they have a god, too. It's called the state. Progressives are ought to punish Christians because the latter won't bow down at the altars of progressivism and humanism. Just ask the New Mexico photographer who was slapped with a $7000 fine because she woul not take pictures of a lesbian couple's "commitment" ceremony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doris-Fitch/619132600 Doris Fitch

    I wasn't paying attention to politics until Obama's speech in 2004 & I did think he was amazing! Until I saw a picture not placing his hand over his heart during a pledge allegience during his campaigning, so I started researching. I came to find out that we have a communist party usa going on & I thought we had fought this in other countries, my 3 older brothers were in the military during the Koreans conflict. I also found out about UN Sustainable Development Agenda 21 that Obama is pushing now & if he gets another 4 years we will be part of a communist one world gov. There is a meeting going on now in Rio to push it more rapidly. Check out commieblaster.com to see what is happening. So yes, we better pay attention!! What really gets me is our republican politicians haven't been warning us as to whats happening until Allen West, he is the only one saying we have communist in congress.

  • http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM TOM P O'DONNELL

    NOT A GAY VICTORY. IT IS A COMMUNIST VICTORY. AS IS ABORTION, DRUG LEGALIZATION AND
    PERVERT WATCHING PORNOWOOD. STALIN SAID AMERICAS THREE GREATEST ATTRIBUTES MUST BE DESTROYED.PATRIOTISM, MORALITY AND SPIRITUALITY. THIS COMMUNIST PRESIDENT HAS DESTROYED ALL THREE. HE EVEN KILLS NAVY SEALS. 22 OF THEM PLUS 8 MILITARY IN A AMBUSH CLASSIFIED AS A HELICOPTER CRASH. COVERED UP IN THE COMMUNIST MEDIA AND BURIED BEFORE THE BODIES ARRIVED HOME MARKED CLASSIFIED. BUT A GAY PRIVATE CAN LEAK 80,000 CLASSIFIED EMAILS AND GET THE EARRINGS OF HONOR.. SISSIFY THE MARINE CORPS. NO ONE JOINS .ONLY THE WEAK. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED COMRADE. DEATH TO AMERICA.
    http://WWW.MEDIACRAPMATTERS.US

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTV3N6BCEXICG7POH3RLSVFWXU Anne

    Christians must stay engaged and not leave our lifes in the hands of atheists, environmentalists, marxists and communists. Our children would have to suffer in the world that would end of being. We have a responsibility to those who come after us.

  • Michaellaborde

    Render unto Cesar that which is Caesar's. We will fight in the trenches, we will fight in the streets, we will fight in the valleys, we will fight on the mountain tops, we will never give up and we will worship God and love as he commands to love one another. He is the foundations of the universe and the builder of all things, creator, counselor, life giver. Non can boast of His power and His Love. There is no one like Him. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Freedom.

  • jdbixii

    In promoting the idea or concept of choice, a personal freedom to make a decision, they are confronted with the reality that, they and those whose right to that freedom they defend, make choices that are a cost others. The personal responsibility to make a choice that involves a lesser or no cost to society should be a motivation and consideration to a person even though s/he may not wish to have his/her choices categorized as either right or wrong from a moral or ethical standpoint. The problem with the liberal approach to matters of sex is that they make it public instead of keeping it private. It does little good to upbraid liberal intellectuals with lessons in moral teachings because it is outside of their control
    to control. They can not exercise the choice to control themselves and they readily recognize the lack of self-control in others. The idea that this should be a political issue is very strange. Yet, this is a great deal of that with which they occupy themselves and which they have thought is so important that the have taken very controversial positions about issues that ought to be of no consequence to government. If equality is what they really are seeking, each individual is an individual and there ought to be no special benefits accorded by government for being an individual qualified by some unique special interest or behavior. Behavior is essentially what the laws of governments are meant to govern.
    If government does not have the ability to accept what has historically been predetermined to be good or evil/bad, right or wrong and beneficial or detrimental, it has no basis and no business governing any of the departments that have been created with the exception of the Department of Defense. In ordering the Department of Defense to determine what is good or evil/bad, right or wrong, beneficial or detrimental, a choice will be made by those who are ordered to make such a determination. When they are punished for making that determination, or when they punish for making that determination, are they, per se, criteria for making moral judgments? This is war!

  • George

    So many wonderful and well considered and supported comments. I have nothing to add other than a question, "How's that worked out for Christians so far?"

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P24T7IUFC5LSRBHKBHDDUHVWUU Jacqueline L

    No one who expects to live a life safe from OPPRESSION and TYRANNY can stand aside from politics. To do so is to allow politicians to run every aspect of your lives. Look at the politicians around you, do you want them having any say about your family or religious beliefs or control of your families health and finances?

  • http://twitter.com/BradNova Brad Nova

    Calling yourself pro life while you support the death penalty or war is far from a moral absolute.

    37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    38 This is the first and great commandment.
    39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

  • A PRAYER WARRIOR

    Rich, I'm standing with u shoulder to shoulder, having put on the Armour of GOD!!!

  • http://twitter.com/katfost kathy

    The constitution DOES NOT SAY there is a seperation of church and state!!!!It is political hogwash! America was founded on the three g's God. Guns, and Guts!

  • miketom

    To certainlytruth and Evelyn, the differnce between the Kennedy /Pope situation and what certainlytruth said in the book reference is that the claims of the first weren't true. TheCatholic Church never taught the things that were being claimed. The book references certainlytruth sites are true. That's what the mormon church teaches.

  • brad

    You wrote: "
    We live under the Constitution of the United States that gives us the right to speak, write, and assemble to petition the government “for a redress of grievances.”
    But, isn't it God, not the Constitution, who gives us certain unalienable rights? The Constitution's purpose is to articulate this fact and to enumerate those rights and the means by which they are to be instituted and upheld.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-R-Carreiro-Sr/100000561837094 Joseph R Carreiro Sr

    Everyone has innate powers to fathom what is good and what is evil. Whichever side you fall on in the end you will see how your responsibility for your decisions follows you through life right up to your grave.No one escapes it.Be what you will and pay the price in the end whether it has been for good or for evil.One side will win out in the end and I wonder which it will be? Think hard about it.

  • Wayne

    Such a rediculous question. Christians should take over politics. Look what we get with the devils in charge, and not just in the White House.
    Christians are people, mostly upright and well-intentioned. Some who claim to be may not be. Christ asked us to deliver the good news EVERYWHERE, meaning in ALL facets of life and to all venues. We have the God-given right to participate in government, and the command to engage. We are not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and His Word will stand when all is said and done. Try as they might, with their foolish decrees of a separation of church and state which does not exist, and all their persecutions of the founding faith of this nation-THEY CANNOT TRUMP GOD. Nor can they destroy the rock-solid foundation our forefathers built. Oh no, not satans minions.
    Not even the gates of hell. I didn't say it, Jesus did. And unlike politicians, He keeps ALL His promises.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karaoke60 Dennis M. Young

    Those who do not get, and stay, involved with politics are destined to be led, or more probably ruled, by their inferiors. If Christians in the U.S. want to be treated as they are in the middle east then they should just close their eyes and back away from politics...that will almost assuredly bring a Christian holocaust much like the Jewish one in Europe last century. And those who "cannot vote for Romney" due to his religion are very ignorant bigots who will throw the lives of their children to the Marxist who are currently undermining and destroying everything decent about this country and intent on economically enslaving the entire population.

  • JacktheFAC

    David was the king of the nation of Israel. No one can deny that he was a deeply religious man, for he wrote many of the psalms of praise to God, but he was also the king of the nation of Judah. You cannot get any more involved in the politics of a nation than being its king, and here is a deeply religious man who is also a nation's political leader. So what is the problem?

  • Steve

    Are you kidding? Christians should be actively engaged in politics, especially NOW!!!!

  • Raymond1

    Revelation 19
    1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto theLord our God: 2For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, andhath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4And the four andtwenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
    5And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6And I heard as it werethe voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotentreigneth. 7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to herwas granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9And he saith unto me, Write,Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10And I fell at hisfeet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worshipGod: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
    11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judgeand make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed himupon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and heshall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on histhigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, sayingto all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh ofkings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both freeand bond, both small and great. 19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that saton the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which hedeceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning withbrimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowlswere filled with their flesh.

    • "Dallas"

      Described therein by the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ and His existence to be with mankind (as He promised) in the form of His True Presence in the Eucharist, Body and Blood.

      THANK YOU FATHER!

      • Raymond1
        • "Dallas"

          Check out: "The Image of Our Lady of Guadelupe". How did it come into existence?
          "Lourdes". How did that become possible?
          "Our Lady of Fatima" In the almost 100 years since, everything three
          children, ages 7,9 and 11 said regarding World
          Events has become historical fact. How could
          "they" predict world events back in 1917?
          "Medjugorie" The Blessed Virgin Mary is purported to be appearing since 1981 and all that She said will happen is going on before our very eyes, including,
          get this, GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.
          Is all this "Coincidence"? Or are we being "told to wake up"?

        • Raymond1

          Did Rome Forbid Vernacular?
          http://www.wayoflife.org/database/vernacularversions.html

          Catholic Heresies Documented
          http://www.wayoflife.org/database/catholicheresies.html

          Some Hard (And Unpopular) Facts on Catholicism.
          http://www.wayoflife.org/page518/page518.html

        • "Dallas"

          "Did Rome Forbid Vernacular?" Probably. It was a huge mistake when allowed to be instituted.
          Of course, the material you reference is going to be anti-Catholic, and is increasing.
          That's exactly what The Blessed Virgin Mary is referring to when She said (in Her Medjugorie appearance(s)) Quote: "Even now, Satan is losing his power (this being his 100 year reign, which is nearing it's end.) and is becoming more aggressive.", unquote. So, it's to be expected. And that is exactly my point in establishing Her validity.
          The more negative anti-Catholic rhetoric that comes out, the more credibility it lends to Her appearances. And who's "documentation" is being referenced? Naturally someone who IS anti-Catholic. Lots of credibility there!
          When societies ignore the obvious (what goes on before their very eyes )and stubbornly continue on a "negative path", it's truly sad.

        • Raymond1

          Is it anti-catholic to tell the truth about the catholic church???
          Satan is deceiving you......... Open your eyes before it's too late.
          Raymond

        • "Dallas"

          Depends on where and from whom you get "the so-called truth."

          Actually, I have Christ's promise, quote: "Peter, what you bind on earth, I will bind in Heaven.", unquote. Also, something like, "I will send you the "Paraclete" and He will tell you (guide you) what to say."
          Two Thousand Years of "Consistent Guidance" is a pretty firm foundation. I'll take that first, anytime.

          Also, there is the "three finger principle". When you "point your
          finger" at someone, keep in mind that you have "three pointing back" at
          yourself.

  • Raymond1

    The Red Horse Is Riding…Revelation 6

    And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.(Revelation 6:3-4)

    In John’s vision of the throne room of God, a drama unfolds which is of universal significance. The One who sits upon the throne holds a book in his hand. The book is the Word of the consummation of the plan of God to undo all of the effects of the fall; sin, death, decay, corruption, and to usher in a new creation. “Behold I make all things new”, saith the Lord.

    But as we saw earlier, only a man can open the seals of the book, “for by man came death”, therefore , “By man (must) come the resurrection of the dead”. But who is worthy to open the book?

    There is only one man who is qualified to open the book and commence the New Creation of God. Jesus of Nazareth, who bears in his own body the marks of slaughter, having offered himself to the Father as a sacrifice for our sins is worthy to take the book and to open the seals thereof.

    The seals are in effect the necessary preconditions for all that is in the book to begin to come to pass. When the Cherub cried out “Come!”, it wasn’t Christ who came but a White horse and rider.

    The rider on the white horse is the spirit of “Anti-Christ”. He offers a substitute Kingdom of God, and a substitute salvation for the earth. Christ will come to judge the world on a white horse, but first AntiChrist must ride. The actual person, who is designated as the Son of Perdition, also as the Beast, the little horn, arrives in the context of the Spirit of AntiChrist, which pervades the world.

    The world he comes to, and which for the most part receives him, has been preconditioned already, to reject anything that smacks of the real Christ, as being “judgmental”, “Homophobic” and “negative”. Those who have helped to prepare the world to embrace the “New Christ” are the “many anti-christs”, (false teachers, and false prophets), which John warned about even in his day.

    The opening of the second seal unleashes another precondition for the return of Christ, the rider of the red horse. The red horseman brings in a tsunami of wanton violence upon the whole world. As in the days of Noah, when “violence covered the earth”, so shall it be in the time of the red horseman.

    The rider of red horse comes from God to defy the aspirations of all of those who have attempted to construct a beautiful humanistic world of peace without repentance and to the exclusion of God.

    How the humanists and atheists long for peace! But it must be denied them. I remember clearly the elation we all felt when the “Evil Empire”, the Soviet Union and her satellite states collapsed into the “dustbin of history”. One American sociologist even wrote a book about it called “The End of History” in which he posited that the west would now usher in a golden age of peace, prosperity and global trade.

    But there can be no peace. Not without repentance.How vain is the imagination that we can construct a humanistic Eden without God ? What did we think would become of us ,seeing we sanction the slaughter of the unborn, promote perversions such as homosexuality and fornication? Should we be surprised at the violence and insecurity of the “brave New World” we have constructed without God?

    Radicalized, oil financed Islam is just one of the expressions of the ‘red horse’ of violence.

    We in the west are of necessity now familiar with a new terminology, using Arabic words such as “Jihad”, “Shariah”, and “al Taqqiya”, for it seems as though the temporary restraints have been lifted from the Mohammedans. Through the combination of the folly of immigration policy and multiculturalism’s destruction of western civilizational confidence Muslims have never seen better prospects for their long coveted subjugation of the western world.

    Think of the billions that have been spent in security, the countless hours spent waiting at checkpoints in airports and other transportation hubs, removing shoes, having magnetic images made of our naked bodies,for entire traveling populations, so that we won’t have to profile the adherents of a murderous ideology.

    Violence has already been a factor in human history, but several factors contribute to my sense that the Red Horse is Riding across the world. The heavy levels of immigration, legal and illegal contributes to increased levels of ethnic violence, crime, and the overall balkanization of whole populations, especially in the west.

    The entertainment media is saturated with violence. Children can soak themselves in vicarious murder and mayhem through the various video games, which are often a virtual orgy of violence. Even our athletics are hearkening more and more to the gladiatorial days, as cage fighters, the obscene parody called pro wrestling, and Ultimate fighting becomes ever more popular.

    The culture of death, ie the acceptance of abortion as birth control is itself a phenomena of immense violence. The USA recently passed the 50 millionth abortion milepost.

    Why should any be surprised by a Kermit Gosnell, whose “clinic” was raided after he botched one too many abortions and killed two of his “Patients”. It was discovered that he had actually brought eight babies to term and murdered them with a pair of scissors. His squalid “women’s Health center” was overlooked numerous times by Philadelphia health inspectors. Why? They wouldn’t want to inhibit abortion in any way, thus this animal was allowed to practice “medicine” for years on the poor and ignorant.

    Should we be surprised at the judgments overtaking us? The crime waves, terrorism, illegal immigration and the lawlessness that it engenders, are all manifestations of the red horse of violence who takes peace from the earth.

    The homo-sexualization of society on every level portends violence as well. In spite of the best efforts to disguise this unseemly aspect of the perversion, the truth can’t be long hidden. Sexual perversion is violent, even murderous. The Bible doesn’t portray Homosexuals as ‘poor, oppressed and bullied minorities”, but as violently depraved sinners, who will stop at nothing to fulfill their lusts.

    There will be no “Age of Aquarius” or any sort of humanistic utopia fashioned by our godless elite in spite of their best efforts. Already the Red Horse of violence is riding, and the only relief will be found in the new Ark, the person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  • dondh

    ABSOLUTELY NOT! Christians are America's only hope! Let it be known that I am not professing that Christianity be proclaimed from the White House or Congress, or anywhere in politics, but the principles of Christianity can be used as a basis for decisions that need to be made as well as future planning. This can be done without being an evangelist or a preacher! What's happening now is that anti-Americanism is making its presence known in high places in America today! We don't need that as it will most assuredly lead to communism and/or islam or some other false religion or false philosophy!
    THIS PRESIDENT IS NOT WHAT AMERICA NEEDS!!! HE MUST BE DEFEATED IN NOVEMBER OR IMPEACHED NOW!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MW4WUFXTL6RGFQ4XMXJP3Q6OMM jean

    Answer to "Should Christians Disengage From Politics?" is "NO"! Does this democratic country want to take the chance of ending up like Nazi Germany some day? We need to always be vigilant in what our politicians are doing, making sure they are doing it according to our written Constitution! Remember what Hitler said early in 1938: "Give them plenty of sausage and bread, then we'll start taking their rights away from them". Remember everyone! Remember this horrible history so we can learn from it!

  • Pastafarian

    What version of Christianity do you want to rule? Leviticus? Deuteronomy? LDS? The sermon on the mount?

  • Katchaturian

    Can you imagine Christians not participating between now and November 6th . . .in any way, not even participating in polls, then see what the pundits and candidates do?? Lets do it.

  • Colorado Joe

    Well said deeme. You should post this on Facebook.

  • Miroco

    Every time a liberal gets elected Christianity loses. Think of it as Rice or Notre Dame quitting football because they might hurt someones feelings should they win. Politics is a game and we are now playing against those who do not play by the rules, a Christian who quits is not a Christian.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Davison/100003667299183 Mark Davison

    Porter Davis, one of the Lawyers for Ron Paul, discusses the Ron Paul Campaign
    and the lawsuit filed against the GOP with Joyce Riley on The Power Hour

  • "Dallas"

    I have a view which I believe will shed some light as to whether society should or should not be involved in politics. It begins with the Dogmatic words of Christ himself, quote: "Render unto God what is God's (Moral Law) and unto Cesar what is Cesar's (Civil law)., unquote.
    Moral Law belongs to God alone and if any political individual and or group, challenges and/or passes legislation contrary to God's Laws and Precepts, I believe those in society who believe, not only should, but have the obligation to stand firmly against that effort. Also, any Civil Law that is unjust and creates undue burden upon society in general, should also be opposed, as well.
    That having been said, everyone should and must be part of every election, for it is in that way that we as an individual define ourselves as Christ asked for, quote: "I want you hot or cold, if you are lukewarm, I will vomit you out of my mouth.", unquote. Also, quote: "You are either for Me or against Me.", unquote.

  • vaquerobob

    In the last presidential election ONLY 16-18% of "Christian" registered voters went to the polls... the end result OBAMA in the White House!!! Christians, DON'T be dupped by the Left again. It is your moral and spiritual and civic responsibility to vote and to vote in alignment with Biblical principles. Do not apologize for your belief system... the radicals and atheists sure won't apologize for theirs.

  • speedy7201

    I totally disagree. I believe that Christians need to stand and take their ground.. Christianity and religion in general in under attack. If we continue to do nothing, in the end we will be gobbled up and eaten by the inorance and immorality coming forward in our society...We need our Leaders to start scknowleging their religion and standing up for their religion. Obama thinks that acknowledging and stand for immoral practice's is a good idea and so far it seems to work for him, we need to use his strategy in reverse.

  • Raymond1

    The democrats (more accurately known as communists) are
    dedicated to removing God from our society. Take a look at
    how evil these demons from hell actually are.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/burn-in-hell-for-singing-god-bless-the-usa/

  • Blair

    Study the life of Edmund Burke 1729-1796 too. Consider the source. You don't have to believe me. Check it out for yourself. I never heard of Edmund Burke until I watched an episode of the 1980s television series Highway To Heaven. In that episode, Jonathan, (an angel played by Michael Landon),
    and his partner, (Victor French), came across a troubled teen who'd fallen in with neo-Nazis, who was
    harassing a Holocaust survivor. The Holocaust survivor told the troubled teen that: "The only way for
    evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." The troubled teen asked him: "Where'd that come from?"
    The Holocaust survivor replied: "Edmund Burke was a member of the most corrupt Parliament in British
    history. When a friend wrote him a letter and asked him why he didn't quit, he wrote back to him and said: 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.'" He was right.
    Good men did nothing when Hitler came to power. Religion's always played a major role in politics.

  • evermyrtle

    There are actually two poles to the religious issues, you are for GOD or you are against GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, that is what it boils down, to. You either love HIM, live for HIM according to hIS commandments or are against HIM.

  • Voteoutrinos

    Christians should never stay politically silent because the left is waiting to get rid of our values as fast as they can and can't wait for an opportunity to catch us off guard.
    Don't forget the persecutors of Christians want us dead or to disappear or to convert and they have the money to control Hollywood, the media and our universities.
    Stand up, be strong, never give in.

  • DrBarbara

    "Should Christians disengage from politics?" Absolutely not!

  • Supertad108

    Answer.. No.
    Excellent point on laws...
    "Every law on the books is an application of someone’s view of morality."

    That's why I propose that all laws, let's say after... Moses, be repealed.
    You think God all knowing of the past, present and future wasn't smart enough to create a set of laws to ensure ALL things were covered. God's laws in order to be all inclusive MUST be based individually. The problem with man's sub-laws are the fact they are based on groups. Look at ANY sub-law and if there is an exception you are guaranteed it's a flawed (man's) law. Notice NONE of God's laws are discriminatory or in any way take away your rights. You want to fix our country REPEAL all of man's sub-laws and deal with EVERYone on an individual basis.

    • Ray

      Great point!

  • Robert

    God blessed Americans with more freedom than any other people on this earth have ever known. He also endowed us with the responsibilities those freedoms brought with them. I believe history will show that we as a nation have grassped with both hands the freedoms but have turned a blind eye to the responsibilities. We are beginning to see the consequenses of that short coming; a government that is now beyond our control.

  • debi

    God says all Christians are His family, brothers and sisters in Christ. Now is the time for His family to stand up for Our Lord and Savior and this great country, He once blessed, We were once the richest and greatest county in the world. We need to Pray and we need to Vote to be heard. With our own free willl, by choosing not to get involved, We have allowed the government to destroy the very moral fabric of our foundation. We can't ask God to fix the great mess this nation is in when have turned our back on Him. We allowed Him to be taken out of our schools, our laws, and our lives. (Can't say Merry Christmas, people will be offended). I find it very hard to believe that we Christians are the majority and yet all this has happened under our watch. Please PRAY for our nation and Please Please VOTE! Let God's own take this great nation back! He's counting on you!

  • budman

    I will only say that facts are important if facts are distorted and yes, I feel it is not only important those with a religious belief but a moral belief should stand and be counted.
    The actions taken by this administration are taking this country down the wrong path in areas that are not in the majority opinion of the people but special interest groups. This can only be stopped if the people demand their right to be heard and action taken to resolve it. They will not stop my right to be heard and only strength in numbers can reverse the tide.

  • evermyrtle

    It looks like they might as well, because a lot of them had to vote For Obama in 2008 or he would never have won. Of course now, they see just how mistaken they were. They thought he would so something for them, what is the 64 dollar question. I know some that voted for him and I bet they will not admit it, now..

  • robert kammerdiener

    when christians turn from politics then the country turns to evil and the end result is a lost country thrown into gods wrath Isreal learned this the hard way and our country will as well if more christians do not start voting in according to those who are constitutional concervative as well as electing those who fear Gods wrath. if you want a country to fall and loose all of its freedoms let it be governed by anti god/christian leaders and that country will fall in to the worst type of country any one would want to live in

  • grandmaforliberty

    If all christians of all faiths in this country band together, we would be a formidable force.. Unfortunately, a lot of citizens say that can never happen in the good old USA... Wake up people, it's happened, happening and will get worse if we don't get off our couches, get informed and know who we are voting for... Not just for what good it will do us, but more importantly what it will mean to our country.... God Help Us....

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Jean-Goodwin/1513718033 Carol Jean Goodwin

    Life is politics in its own right. Choices are made every day. the key is to make the right and just choices. Be sure you're right and then go ahead. I know who the RIGHT choice is for President and it is RON PAUL. No bones about it. The others are all about personal gain and could care less about our country, its constitution or anything decent and just. The establishment 'gestapo' is evil all the way and the mainstream media are right there with them, reporting everyhing they are told to.

  • STUDEAHALIC

    I've checked , and no where on any of my coins does it say "IN OBAMMA WE TRUST" IN FACT i THINK IT SAYS ,"IN GOD WE TRUST!!!!!!!!

  • LensterBoston

    He@^ No!!

  • JMJM

    I will answer the question with another QUESTION:::: Should Muslims and Atheists disengage from Politics!

  • LensterBoston

    Should Christians Disengage from Politics? - [I say He@^ No!!]

  • PatriotDiva

    Christians have as much as anyone else to participate in politics. Laws affect us too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P26NGSZW7SEHCZHXYX74HI2ZKQ Shadowdancer_ap

    I disagree that Christians should refrain from Politics, I am an activist and anti-Obama advocate and a Christian. I see what Onama's next election could do to this Republic.And none of it is good. Mr Obama has a mission to "change" the USA to a European- style Socialist nation with him as the dictator-in-charge.
    I love my country and the Constitution that has woked for over 200 years. The American imposter. has a private war against the Constitution, the American PEOPLE and our traditions and faithful military who have given thousands of their Patriotifc lives to their country. Mr Obama is an insult to them and to all Americans who love this country. We do not like fraudulent usurpers who lied their way into our beloved White HOuse and we the PEO)PLE will not rest until this phoney is impeached from the office he made an oath to represent.
    IMPEACH HIM NOW ASAP before he does any more damage to the nation who believes in equality for all people. We the PEOPLE are not racist as he is. We only want true Americans to run our country not people who hate us.

    God bless America
    AMEN

  • Harry

    I question whether or not 2Tim 2:4 was in the original text because it contradicts what Jesus said when he explained the Parable of the Sower to his disciples. I honestly don't believe Paul would write anything that would contradict Jesus.

    As for Paul's Roman citizenship, Roman's had the same right to petition Cesar as we have to have a case reviewed by the Supreme Court. The right to do so is there but the chances are slim to none of it happening. Paul's advantage lay in his relations that are mention in the last chapter of his letter to roman's. Rufus, a roman senator, is indicated to be brother or half brother with the same mother. Claudia, wife of Rufus, also the daughter of Caradoc (Caracticus in Latin), the British Pendragon under house arrest in Rome was the adopted daughter of Claudius, Roman Emperor. Paul had connections. This is how he was able to obtain and audience with Claudius, Roman Emperor.

  • jackinthe box

    I am constantly annoyed by some of the things some homosexuals and there supports have taken to make everything pro-gay. There's even a law (or something like that) that's is being considered forcing kids in public (even Christian) schools to experiment with their sexuality (meaning they will have to kiss someone of the same sex). Homosexuals do not want to be equal they want to be above everyone.

  • Saltporkdoc

    Two wordsfor the author. Thank you!
    Well reasoned and thought provoking. Total anethma to liberals!

  • JB

    There has been an age old gentlemens agreement to not bring politics into religion. But the Devil has gotten into politics with his doctrine, and has a political platform which includes homosexual rights, abortion and kicking God out of the public arena. Christians not only must be involved in politics, we must as a church drop our tax exempt status, in order to preach against the sins of the Devils political party platform.

  • Ray

    I agree with the majority of the comments on this subject. Too bad more people in the U.S. didn't feel the same way! Therefore we "must" be diligent & be a part of this life, good & bad. The Lord told Peter & the others, that He came here for the sinners for the good were already good. We were commissioned by our Lord to be good missionaries and teach His gospel to all. I believe that means without a doubt that we are meant to teach and lead by example....you can't do that if you keep your goodness to yourself and not try to reach those who have lost their way. I'm a bad example of a good standard to go by, because of a bad temper (at my age, it's really a problem I've been working on & praying about every single day), but I won't keep trying to do better! I believe I'll get it one day, but lately I've been so angry with the scheming, immoral deceit of our politicians & the hatred for our Creator that I just want to go to war!!! I pray we all vote, but also stand up against the wrong and be attentive & vigilant always! Don't let them get away with crimes against us & "our" Constitution!!!

  • wlee

    Once again, "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." 'Nough said.

  • http://www.insightbb.com/ Liberals Just Sukk@ All Things

    I think now more than ever Christians need to stand up in politics and vote according to the Biblical principles we know are right! Not all candidates may be Christian (yet), but we stil have to wiegh each ones policies, records, Constitutionality, and motives and vote accordingly!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mgaumer7 Michael Gaumer

    All I can say is that we need to vote for Ron Paul, and drop Mitt(Misfit) like a hot potato, along with the O'Bummer Boy. Voting for the "lesser of 2 evils" is a poor excuse of Righteousness. How could you vote for Sudam Hussein over BinLaden? Neither wrong makes a right! Black is black, white is white, and gray is black...is what God told a missionary friend of mine.

  • Softballumpire

    Christian disengagement is poor stewardship of this Constitution our forefathers struggled to word just right to ensure freedom to worship as each sees fit. Pro_29:2 (KJV) When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

    It takes no Gypsy Tarot reader, astrologer or soothsayer to see that we are mourning and repentance is the only positive action available to mitigate YAHWEH's judgment on this nation and to receive the healing we need. That repentance is not exclusively coming through our political leaders but we must step u[p, remain engaged in supporting this Constitution God gave us and elect the leaders we need to bring about this repentance.

    YAHWEH is capable of protecting HIS own while purging those wicked elected and unelected leaders, as well as bringing a few of them to repentance as well.

  • Ralph H Moran

    Christians better be involved or we as a people have lost. What Pastor would say something like that, only those that are already sold out to the Satan.

  • CmmnSnse

    You can't really be a Christian, and vote Democrat! There is no such thing as a "Good Christian" or a "Bad Christian. You are either a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or you are not a Christian. Christians do not kill babies through abortion. the Democrat platform supports abortion, Jesus would not! The list of anti-Christian items in the Democrat platform is long. Olde time Democrats need to read the new Socialist-Progressive-Democrat platform before they vote to support killing babies and much more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ann-Wilson-Kingsley/100000397000382 Ann Wilson Kingsley

    My objection to Christian involvement in politics is that their involvement is hypocritical. Christians are against abortion, but they keep voting for and promoting Socialism, the reason and basis for government paid abortion and all of the other immorality. Christians are willing to pay for prenatal and natal care for out-of-wedlock pregnancies, which has now produced 43% out-of-wedlock births in the U.S. They are against homosexuality, but are willing to spend tax payer money for the consequences of homosexuality, AIDS treatment through Medicaid. It is one thing to for Christians to extend succor and compassion on an individual basis, but quite another to rob other tax payers for Federal Government aid to immorality. I have a very strong objection to the Christian screechers who are obscuring and obfuscating the economic and fiscal collapse of our nation, and have been for over 30 years, for a focus on moral issues. All moral issues need to be returned to the states, and they need to be off the national playing field and out of the national public debate. At present, it appears to me that the Evangelical Christian movement has been co-opted by Communists to destroy our nation. As an Evangelical Christian myself, I gagged at the immorality and lack of ethics in fellow Christians who would vote for thrice-married Gingrich or Santorum the unethical lobbyist. Just because someone says he is a Christian and touts forth one of the 10 Commandments regularly does not mean he keeps any of the others. And, we find that to be the case with candidates that Christians are promoting and voting for.

  • mark

    For evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing! This would include politics. There is none rightous, no not one. This fits the poloticians of today. We have the right to vote and so we should and have a say with the people that govern us. My Christian brothers and sisters, there is a God of America and we should stand up for how he has dictated us to live and not sit by and let the ungodly tell us to shut up and sit down!!! We have rights and we should engage what is wrong and immoral!!!

  • Willie Lee

    Here's a little perspective. There are now more evangelical followers of Jesus in China than in America. Think about that. Persecution delivers believers that come through a crucible. What we call a believer in Jesus passes for a cultural Christian coming out of a comfy me-centered lifestyle, and the numbers are falling. Americans originally were a persecuted community, and we flourished because we understood what freedom meant. We no long care. It's about time to get a reality check. It's coming and it won't be pretty.

  • Juliof

    That is the problem to many christians are disengaged! We let the Godless make the rules!

  • mark

    Chistians should be at the forefront of politics, leading the way for a rightous country! People, remember our country was founded on Judeo Christian values. Seperation of Church and State was to keep the "STATE" out of the "Church", not Godly men out of the STATE. In the beginning of our Nation you had to be a member of a church to be elected to a public office. Look what kind of country that principal produced? The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. the greatest country in the world!! Since we have in the last 20 yrs taken God out of our schools and Government we have fallen to a third world status and everyone dislikes us because we have lost our moral compus.

  • xthred

    Jesus and the Disciples carried swords.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-E-Taylor-Jr/100000821441406 Paul E Taylor Jr

    We as Christians have an obligation to vote for leaders that follow Christian doctrine. We should not be voting for anyone that supports gay marriage, homosexuality, etc. Look what we have now in Washington. The Catholic Church refuses to excommunicate leaders that support causes that the Bible teaches against. If you vote for someone that supports abortion rights it is the same as if you performed the abortion yourself !!!!!!!!!!!! SATAN IS ALIVE AND WELL AND CONTROLS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THE USA

  • crystal555

    I Peter 4:17 For the time has come for the judgment to begin at the house of God; Most ministers do not like this truth! The church is the real and main reason as to why evil has taken control of America! The church has the responsibility to keep America a Christian nation. The leaders sell their birthright every time they sign a non-profit 501c-3 and incorporation contract with the government. Therefore, the church is a state church just like the UK. . 99.9% are state churches. This was the very reason that our Founding Fathers came to America, to be free to serve and worship God the way God intended. Now history has repeated its self! The ministers have made it that where the Christians that go to these churches are under the rule of a tyrannical government.The North American church as a whole has pity on the enemies of America. The ministers do not teach the pure unadulterated word of God. They have their heads in the sand like ostriches and pray for revival rather then righteous judgment. They stay clear of Acts 12 where the judgment angle struck King Herod due to the judgment prayers of the Christians. This is what it will take to rid this evil from America's soil! The name of Jesus Christ has been shut down in this nation beginning when God and prayer were purged from the public schools. When His righteous judgments are executed through His name, only then will America get back on track! The Bible says when a nation turns its back on God, evil takes over the land!I dare you all to read Acts 12! show more show less

  • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

    It seems Christians have disengaged FOR FAR TOO LONG (over two centuries) and JUST LOOK AT THE MESS!

    I won't believe God desires that we allow the little Hitlers of the world (BHO included), to grow into uncontrollable despots, who murder tens of millions.

  • Bama59

    Those who would like to have religious people stay out of politics are the ones who also know deep down that people who know right from wrong would not abide them being in politics. The crooks don't want you involved because you can see their evil deeds.

  • http://www.righthook38.com righthook38

    If Christians didn't engage in politics, we would be doomed as a nation. The radical left is on a mission to destroy this country, and we're the only ones who can stop them.....or at least slow them down. We have no choice in the matter...it's our responsibility to be engaged.

  • Plan B Money

    No! If anything we need to stand more firmly than ever against the things that we know are wrong. We better learn to fight the good fight now because it is just going to get worse.

  • "Dallas"

    Nanette Gray,
    You obviously are of the 50% that "is not blind". Good
    for you! And ,Yes! God gave mankind all that he needs, and even more
    for the simple "task" of, asking.
    Liberals define Liberalism as does Webster, ie: "Freedom FROM
    restriction." (early additions included, "even Moral Law." which they
    didn't like, so removed that part.)
    An example among God's "gift" to mankind, that Liberals simply don't
    understand, misinterpret and/or simply ignore on purpose so as to "salve ones conscience"
    is that of "Mutual gratification". Liberalism defines that almost on an
    animalistic plane, whereas God created that "Gift" to be right and
    proper, when it's within the context of a Sacramental Marriage between a
    Man and a Woman. Outside of that it's considered sinful, on the other,
    it's not, and no suppression of Conscience is necessary.
    THANK
    YOU FATHER!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UHBO5HYLPO7KGLHTJVBKTE6FPE mcblanc

    Yeah... About leading "a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity." Paul wasn't THERE the day that Jesus Himself commissioned the Apostles saying... among other thangs... "For do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword." And then--as We've learned the hard way--the most Christ-like possible interpretations for "sword" are... a well-trained tongue... the pen... a piercing mind capable of cutting thru Gordian Knots of lies & artifice to the kernel of Truth held captive at its heart...

    In other words--All The Political Activities That Our US Constitution Allows.

    Christians--of All People--SHOULD FULLY ENGAGE IN Politics.

  • sunnyblues

    Not only should Christians engage in politics but we should ramp it up! IF we had been vocal 30 plus years ago, perhaps Roe vs. Wade would never have changed this nation forever! Millions of babies would not have been murdered and the blood of those tiny citizens would not be on our hands. Back then was not the time to be silent and now is not the time either.

  • glock 19 fan

    Anyone who decides to sit out the election is, by default, voting for Obama. If he wins re-election then this is what we all will have to face and he will be the cause of a wholesale rash of nightmares:
    Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder

  • wiseenough

    Christians should disengage in polotics when pigs fly. Otherwise they should be fully engaged and ultra active.

  • john

    It is sinful NOT to engage in politics when our leader is the King of Kings, the most political of ALL positions, though not an elected official. As his vassal we must exert his crown rights in all places at all times. In that we live on earth it is ON earth that we exert those rights and ONE way we are to do it is via politics ESPECIALLY in the USA! Anything less than this is treason against heaven and the top Government official of all time, Jesus.

  • ImListening

    Yes, this all sounds promising, but our system only works for true believers in the one Almighty God. Others are free to become corrupt within the system and have taken it over. They are in the process of changing it to a system without a God. We need to remember and understand, when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were all written, 98% of the New Worlds Population was all Protestant. Less then 1% were Catholic. Many of the others were burned at the stake ( or other) for nearly 100 years.

    God Bless the USA

  • Concerned Montanan

    i would like to pass on some information that greatly upsets me. The leader of an online daily religious message is advocating that people write in the name JESUS rather than vote for either Obama or Romney since he believes both are evil. For heaven's sake, he has over 100,000 commitments. That is 100,000 votes that will in effect go to Obama. These people are not fighting for religious freedom in America, they are abetting the socialist agenda.
    Folks, whatever your religious convictions, we are not voting here on a referendum concerning Romney's faith. We are desperate to get an American hater out of the office, and replacing him with someone who loves this country and believes in the successful path of our Constitutional republic and will try to continue on that path. Would you rather have a Mormon (or other denomination) in the oval office who respects our rights to worship as Christians, or would you prefer a Muslim who favors persecution of believers or practitioners of any other religion?
    These 100,000 had better do some serious thinking and praying?

  • Raymond1

    Psychology is of Satan.
    Please consider the following carefully.
    Raymond

    Self-Esteem and Unconditional Love

    Two of the fundamental principles of modern psychology are self-esteem and unconditional love.

    These are blatant denials of Bible Christianity and are a rejection of the God of the Bible and are thus a pursuit of a false god -- the very god of end-times apostasy.

    The doctrine of self-esteem was developed by the fathers of the psychological counseling movement and has spread throughout that field and beyond to every level of modern society.

    According to the doctrine of self-esteem, man must pursue his own self-love or self-confidence for the sake of psychological wholeness, and anything that damages self-esteem is wrong. The mystical path to the development of self-esteem is psychological counseling. Since absolute rules produce guilt in those who don’t live up to them, the pursuit of self-esteem emphasizes the need for “new rules which will allow us more freedom of movement and encourage us to accept ourselves just as we are” (E.S. Williams, The Dark Side of Christian Counselling, p. 116).

    Atheist Abraham Maslow emphasized the need for self-esteem in books such as A Theory of Human Motivation (1943), Motivation and Personality (1954), and Toward a Psychology of Being (1955). He taught that a lack of self-esteem can lead to “neurotic trends.” Rejecting the doctrine of the Fall, he believed that man is basically good and there is “a positive, self-actualising force within each person that is struggling to assert itself” (Williams, The Dark Side, p. 114). If it is “permitted to guide our life, we grow healthy, fruitful, and happy” (Motivation and Personality, 1970, p. 122).

    Dr. Nathaniel Branden has had a massive influence in the promotion of self-esteem through books such as Psychology of Self-Esteem (1969), How to Raise Your Self-Esteem (1987), and the SixPillars of Self-Esteem (1995). He treats self-esteem as a basic human need that is essential for mental health. He says, “The first love affair we must consummate successfully in this world is with ourselves; only then are we ready for a relationship.”

    Douglas Groothuis identifies the self-esteem doctrine as New Age in character.

    “Maslow’s past-breaking efforts cleared the way for an exodus from the old psychological view of humanity toward a new human that is essentially good and has within himself unlimited potential for growth. A whole host of thinkers--Erich Fromm, Rollo May, Carl Rogers and others--sound this call. In humanistic psychology the self is seen as the radiant heart of health, and psychotherapy must strive to get the person in touch with that source of goodness. ... This is the message at the core of New Age teaching” (Unmasking the New Age, 1986, p. 78).

    The pursuit of self-esteem puts one into contact with the god of end-times apostasy.

    The doctrine of self-esteem is at the heart of the “Christian” homosexual movement which claims that God accepts homosexuals as they are without the necessity of repentance. At the founding of the Metropolitan Community Churches in 1968, Troy Perry preached a message entitled “Be True to You,” from a line in Shakespeare’s play Hamlet, “This above all: To thine own self be true.”

    The self-esteem doctrine, which was borrowed from humanistic God haters like Abraham Maslow and Carl Rogers, has been promoted far and wide in Christian circles by a slew of "Christian" psychologists, with James Dobson leading the way.

    Dobson claims that “lack of self-esteem produces more symptoms of psychiatric disorders than any other factor yet identified” (Confident Healthy Families, 1987, pp. 73-74). His 1974 bookHide and Seek was designed “to formulate a well-defined philosophy--and approach to child rearing -- that will contribute to self-esteem from infancy onwards.” He says, “If I could write a prescription for the women of the world, I would provide each one of them with a healthy dose of self-esteem and personal worth (taken three times a day until the symptoms disappear). I have no doubt that this is their greatest need” (What Wives Wish Their Husbands Knew about Women, p. 35). He says, “... lack of self-esteem is a threat to the entire human family, affecting children, adolescents, the elderly, all socioeconomic levels of society, and each race and ethic culture” (What Wives Wish, p. 24).

    Dobson believes that lack of self-esteem is the cause of every social ill.

    “Thus, whenever the keys to self-esteem are seemingly out of reach for a large percentage of the people, as in twentieth-century America, then widespread mental illness, neuroticism, hatred, alcoholism, drug abuse, violence, and social disorder will certainly occur. Personal worth is not something humans are free to take or leave. We must have it, and when it is unattainable, everybody suffers” (Confident, Healthy Families, p. 67).

    To the contrary, the Bible lays the ills of society at the feet of fallen man and his rebellion against God. Jesus taught that murder, adultery, fornication, covetousness, deceit, theft, and such come from man’s wicked heart (Mark 7:21-23).

    David Seamands is another pioneer of the Christian self-esteem movement. His hugely popular books Healing for Damaged Emotions and Healing of Memories seek to heal the believer of “Satan’s most powerful psychological weapon” which is “low self-esteem.” He aims to take the client back into the past to recover and heal memories of events that injured one’s self-esteem.

    Seamands has been widely recommended by evangelicals, including James Dobson and George Verwer (Youth With A Mission), who wrote the foreword to Healing for Damaged Emotions.

    Seamands’ mystical path toward self-esteem is “healing of memories” through psychological counseling and New Age techniques. He promotes things as positive visualization, guided imagery, dream analysis, and venting of emotions. Through visualization, the individual is taught to imagine painful past events in perfect detail and to imagine Jesus entering the scenes to bring healing. This is not only vain fantasy; it is occultic and it is a recipe for communing with deceiving spirits masquerading as angels of light.
    The self-esteem doctrine downplays and redefines sin.

    The very popular and influential Robert Schuller, who was a pioneer in the “Christian” self-esteem movement, defines sin as “any act or thought that robs myself or another human being of his or her self-esteem” (Self-Esteem: The New Reformation, p. 14). He defined the new birth as “being changed from a negative to a positive self-image--from inferiority to self-esteem” (p. 68). He even said that Christ was “self-esteem incarnate” (p. 135). Schuller has been praised and promoted by a whose-who of evangelicalism, including Billy Graham, W.A. Criswell, R.C. Sproul, Christianity Today, National Association of Evangelicals, World Vision, Promise Keepers, James Dobson, Tony Campolo, Bill Bright, Paul Yonggi Cho, Jack Hayford, Ralph Reed, Bill Hybels, Paul Crouch, John Wimber, Ravi Zacharias, Lee Strobel, Chuck Colson, and Rick Warren, to name a few. (See “Evangelicals and Heretic Robert Schuller” at the Way of Life web site.)

    The self-esteem doctrine promotes an unscriptural view of the conscience. While acknowledging that the conscience (an “inner voice”) produces guilt and negative thoughts, the proposed solution is not the biblical path of regeneration through repentance and faith followed by a Christian walk of obedience and confession. The proposed solution, instead, is to lower the standards of morality.

    The atheist founders of the self-esteem doctrine hated the holy God of the Bible and His holy Law and sought to destroy His authority over men by denying His existence and teaching moral relativism and the pursuit of Self. Christian counsellors who have borrowed the self-esteem doctrine also tend to downplay the absoluteness of God’s Law, the necessity of strict obedience, and they replace the biblical means of soothing the conscience with psychological mumbo-jumbo.

    Crusade for World Revival (CWR), founded by Selwyn Hughes, says, “If our standards are so high as to be almost unobtainable we will put ourselves forward for failure.”

    Chris Leger and Wendy Bray say that “Bible verses which remind us of God’s command to be obedient may cause guilt to arise. ... We continually strive to please God, yet never feel that we have pleased him--our self-esteem tumbles down the ladder” (Insight into Self-Esteem, p. 57). Leger and Bray claim that God always accepts our best because His voice is always one of “grace, love and acceptance” (pp. 43, 44).

    Dr. E.S. Williams warns:

    “In all that has been written and taught about self-esteem, both Christian and secular, there is never any suggestion that the root cause of man’s low self-esteem is God’s moral law which condemns sinful behaviour” (The Dark Side of Christian Counselling, p. 140).

    The self-esteem movement twists Scripture out of context. A major prooftext is Matthew 22:39, “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” This is interpreted to mean that man needs to love himself just as he needs to love his neighbor, but Christ was not saying there is a need for self-love and He was not encouraging any sort of self-esteem program. He was saying that men already love themselves! Paul said the same thing in Ephesians 5:29, “For no man ever yet hated his own flesh...” The fallen man’s problem is not a lack of self-esteem but far too much of it and a gross lack of God-esteem! Fallen man is an idolater who worships himself in the place of the Almighty Creator. The very essence of sin is that we’ve “turned every one to his own way” (Isaiah 53:6).

    The modern self-esteem doctrine is heresy and apostasy. The very first characteristic of end-times apostasy is that “men shall be lovers of their own selves” (2 Timothy 3:1-2).

    The twisting of Scripture in the self-esteem movement reaches frightful heights for the simple fact that the doctrine of self-esteem is not taught in Scripture but is derived from modern psychology and is then forced upon Scripture.

    David Seamands claims that in the Parable of the Talents, the man with one talent was paralyzed by fear and lack of self-esteem! And the reason the Israelites didn’t enter the Promised Land was low self-esteem! Seamands applies this as follows: “Where is the vision God put before you? What wrecked it? Your sins and transgressions and bad habits? I doubt it. Probably your dream has been delayed or destroyed because Satan tricked you into thinking of yourself as a grasshopper or a worm” (Healing for Damaged Emotions, p. 50).

    So man’s problem is not sin but lack of self-esteem. Man is not a sinner; he is a victim. He doesn’t need salvation and sanctification; he needs psychological counseling.

    Unconditional Love

    The doctrine of self-esteem is intimately associated with that of unconditional love. To have the highest self-esteem we must know that we are loved unconditionally, no strings attached.

    We must see God as a merciful Father who “accepts us totally, exactly as we are” (Chris Leger and Wendy Bray, Insight into Self-Esteem, 2006, p. 12).

    As Larry Crabb says, “I am completely acceptable to him regardless of my behavior” (Effective Biblical Counseling, 1977, p. 70).

    Like the doctrine of self-esteem, unconditional love is promoted both by secular counselors and Christian. It is taught by Rick Warren, James Dobson, Philip Yancy, Joyce Meyer, Larry Crabb, Gary Smalley, Selwyn Hughes, David Seamands, Gary Chapman, Charles Stanley, and a host of other popular Christian leaders and authors.

    James Dobson said that his book Love for a Lifetime is designed to “sum up the importance of selfless, unconditional love” (“Loving Focus: Dr. James and Shirley Dobson,” Christianitytoday.com, Sept. 12, 2008).

    Dr. E.S. Williams observes: “While self-esteem attempts to make man feel good about his sin, unconditional love attempts to make sinful man feel that he will not face judgment or punishment” (Christ or Therapy? p. 71).

    Like the doctrine of self-esteem, the doctrine of unconditional love was developed by the fathers of the psychological counseling movement and New Agers. Erik Fromm was the first to use the phrase “unconditional love,” while Carl Rogers coined the term “unconditional positive regard,” by which “he meant the granting of love and approval regardless of an individual’s behaviour” (E.S. Williams, Christ or Therapy? pp. 65, 66).

    The doctrine of unconditional love is a major theme of New Age thought. The god of unconditional love puts no obligations on people and does not punish sin. Harold Becker says the human race is “becoming consciously aware of unconditional love” (Unconditional Love--An Unlimited Way of Being, 1007, p. 7). It is “an energy and power” that is “transforming the course of all humanity.” Roy Klienwachter says, “Unconditional love means unconditional freedom. ... Retribution is a lie, it was all made. ... Anyone who tells you different, is not coming from unconditional love” (Unconditional Love, 2008).

    Unconditional love is a theme of the occult. Consider Aleister Crowley, who has had a massive influence on the rock & roll culture and whose photo appeared on the cover of the Beatles’Sargent Pepper’s album. His system was based on two principles: “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” and “Love is the law, love under will.” Crowley’s “love” was unconditional love with no obligations. The Voice of Lucifer website proclaims that “unconditional love is an unlimited way of being” and “as a way of changing our world for the better” and “the sole vehicle for our salvation.”

    Unconditional love is a theme of the “Christian” homosexual movement. God accepts them as they are.

    Unconditional love is also a fundamental principle of the emerging church.

    In An Emerging Church Primer Justin Taylor says we must proclaim “God’s message of unconditional love.”

    The God of unconditional love is not the God of Scripture. The love of the sovereign Creator God is unfathomable and unmerited, but not unconditional. God’s love is demonstrated in Christ and the Cross and to benefit from God’s love one must repent and receive Christ as Lord and Saviour. Consider the following statements by Jesus Christ himself:

    “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him” (John 14:21).

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matthew 7:21-23).

    “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).

    “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3).

    Repent or perish is not the message of unconditional love!

    The doctrine of unconditional love as typically defined denies the absolute holiness of God, the fall of man, the necessity of the atonement of Christ, the requirement of the new birth, God’s call to repentance and faith, the existence of eternal hell for those outside of Christ, and God’s call to holy living in the Christian life.

    The true grace of God leads men to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). The believer is to lay aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings (1 Peter 2:1). We are to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul (1 Peter 2:11). We are to eschew evil and do good (1 Peter 3:11). We are to be holy as God is holy (1 Peter 1:15-16). That is the strictest, highest calling! And though the born again believer is accepted in Christ and eternally safe because of the perfect Atonement, he is subject to discipline in this present life and loss at the judgment seat of Christ if he walks in unrepentant carnality and disobedience. There is even a sin unto death (1 Corinthians 11:30; 1 John 5:17).

    There are some who preach unconditional love that say that they believe the aforementioned Bible doctrines, but the message of unconditional love is contradictory to these truths and those who try to reconcile them are living in a fantasy world.

    The god of self-esteem and unconditional love is not the God of Scripture; he is the god of end-times apostasy. As Dr. E.S. Williams observes:

    “The concept of unconditional love only exists in a mythological world in which there is no sin, no evil and no law, in which people are free to live as they like without fear of judgment and punishment. In the real world, unconditional love is no more and no less than licentiousness -- an attitude that denies the accepted rules and morals that govern human behaviour. It is an attitude that allows us to do what we want without sanction or control. It is the essential message of pagan morality and New Age salvation” (Christ or Therapy? p. 69).

    “The permissive god of ‘Christian’ self-esteem dogma longs to satisfy the needs and desires of the human heart. He delights in meeting our needs and likes to make us feel good about ourselves, no matter what. He is careful not to set standards too high or too difficult for us to meet. He is satisfied with our behaviour so long as we do our best. He is a god who is ‘mighty to save’ mankind from a lifetime cycle of low self-esteem. And if the truth were known, he does not really hate evil and sin all that much, for he accepts us totally, exactly as we are. He has commanded us to love ourselves and he loves everybody unconditionally no matter how they behave” (Williams, The Dark Side of Christian Counselling, p. 141).

  • Dale_G1

    It's called the Great Commission, not the great Omission. If Christians had remained silent, we may still have slavery much less civil rights for everyone regardless of race, etc.. ( and I'm omitting very small
    groups of people who are not "born that way" ). If we disengage we will continue to devolve as a society.

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    Hmmm...I will 'bow out' when the government 'butts out' of my back pocket. Until then, I remain fully engaged; my religion (Christianity) calls me to care for my neighbor and if I let Obummer get reelected, that would NOT be 'being a good neighbor'...

  • jd1958

    The reason we are in this mess in the first place is because Christians did walk away from politics. Allowing secular humanists to gain positions of power, it's no wonder they are telling Christians to shut up, sit down and be indoctrinated; you AND your children.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Christopher-Laity/1730599721 Robert Christopher Laity

    NO!! Christians have the right to engage in Politics.It is the
    Muslims that should disengage. Islam is NOT a Religion,does not recognize Freedom and is anathema to a Democratic Republic.Their totalitarian Sharia system has NO place in civilized society.

  • Sam Ponticello

    The main reason America is in such chaos is becuse so called Christians HAVE disengaged from politics. Sitting in the pews and praying for "God to do it" is allowing the forces of evil to rule the world.
    Until God's people "wake up and stand up" things will only get worse. Freedom lost is never regained!

  • gwedem5995

    No, now is the time more than ever, that christians should be more engaged in politics than ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/renee.seybold Renée Seybold

    Every Christian should read "The Light and the Glory." Our nation was founded by Christians as a place to worship the God of the Bible freely. When our forefathers went to war with King George and England, it was only after much prayer and consideration. They did not live quietly in response to the King's decision to show them whose subjects they were! Seriously! Thanks for a great piece!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rowdy.riemer Rowdy Otto Riemer

    Morality is never the foundation of a religion, but systems of morality are often prescribed by religion - hence the assumption by many that religion is morality's ultimate source. But morality is not inherantly attached to religion. It does not follow that because morality has to come from somewhere that it must come from any religion or god. The basis for our morality is our being a social species. Individuals who cooperate often reproductivley outcompete those who do not. Morality facilitates cooperation between people. Morality promotes the wellbeing of cooperating people. Morality comes from us. Because of this and because morality is ultimately the basis for law, we determine the limits of civil government based on our best judgement and our desire to promote our individual and collective well being.

    Any assertion that atheists are just as religious as theists is absurd and baseless. The only generalization one can reasonably make about atheists is that they lack a belief in god, but many of us do rely on our reasoning skills. That differs greatly from the type of faith held by theists. The cognitive skills of individuals differ and we do not all posses the same set of facts for any given context. We each posses different biases and other cognitive stumbling blocks, and we differ in the degree to which we overcome those stumbling blocks. Therefore, it should be unsurprising that our interpretations of the facts of any given context differ. Individually we follow our own reasoning with differing degrees of success. Collectively, we try to form some sort of concensus. The reasoning skills of humanity has improved greatly over time, and that improvement has provided countless benefits. The predictive abilities of our scientific theories and the resulting benefits prove their value over religious faith. Ultimate truth is a destination we can never reach, but reason is the only vehicle that gets us closer to the truth. The religious to the extent that they pretend to have absolute truth hold us back.

    The author's generalities about christianity are poor. In this country, religious criticism is mostly directed towards christianity because it is the dominant religion, though fundamentalists are criticised most for their views on absolute morality and absolute truth. Though I'm sure many christians prefer a secular government, many to varying degrees do not. While many christians would like to increase government's limitations, many would like to expand government. Many would like to see laws prohibiting descrimination against gays. (And why should such discrimination be allowed?) Many would like to see gays exterminated. There is a continuum of christian attitudes in between. And there are no laws prohibiting christians from holding and expressing their attitudes towards gays or any other group. The Westboro Baptist Church members prove that on a regular basis. Christians also hold a continuum of attitudes towards abortion.

    The author gives christianity too much credit for milestones in social progress. While some christians led the fight to free slaves, others used their religion to justify slavery. I bet most if not all slave traders were christians. Christians may have lead the civil rights movement while others used their religion to justify their racism. I wonder if christianity-inspired anti-semitism had any part in helping the germans to turn a blind eye towards or even participate in the holocaust. When such a high percentage of a civilization is christian, it says nothing that those leading or opposing any particular cause are christian.

  • raytheist

    We need to put religion back into its proper place -- in the privacy of the individual believer's home and heart -- and keep religion out of politics, out of legislation, and out of other people's lives.

  • noelle2011

    no they should BUT they sure do NEED TO STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL SO MUCH! AND ISRAEL NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED FOR ATTACKING THE USS LIBERTY!
    ITS TIME FOR THEM TO PAY FOR THIS AND NO WAY IN HELL DO THEY NEED MORE OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobbi.f.love Barbara Elaine Frame-Love

    If Christians 'disengage' from politics, how could we fight for the very rights we stand for? God expects us to take care of all He has given us whether it be our finances, our homes, our Country, our very freedoms to choose whom we want to rule over us. It breaks my heart to see the useless slaughter of the unborn. In my opinion, if we do not fight for these children, we will be held as accountable as the women (and men) who have their babies murdered. and please... don't get me started on homosexuality, same sex 'marriages' , etc. what God calls an abomination...... is an abomination!

  • Bill

    Everytime I see articles such as this it reminds me of II Peter 2:19-21.

  • Susie P

    Thank you for this EXCELLENT article. I agree with you. It is most frustration that so many prefer not to "think about anything negative" and so refrain from any information coming into their email. They also do not listen to programs which provide guests more than a soundbite or "edited" versions of information...which in some cases actually reverses what the intent of the comment was. I am recommending to all family and friends that they watch the films made about Germany and the Holacost like THE PIANIST, THE ISLAND ON BIRD STREET, THE COUPLE, SHINDLER'S LIST, etc. Also films about Islam such as NOT WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER and THE STONING of Sharaya M.
    We need to remember that when good people do nothing, the stage gets set for evil to gain strength.
    Over and over again, if one studies history, this happens. TODAY things are different because once the iron door of evil closes on us...with today's technology...there will be no resistance possible. So NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK UP! Thank you for speaking up and writing such an excellent discussion starter.

  • Cognus

    Name me all the Theocracies currently extant. Israel was one [so were every other noticable society of the day]. Iran is one. North Korea is one. Many others. Is the USA?
    What did Jesus command concerning violent means toward a 'this-world' kingdom? The author of the bait did not mention.
    Is Christian killing Christian christian? Who said?