Is It OK for Christians to Vote for Mitt Romney?

The following essay was written by James B. Jordan. James is a Christian theologian and author who has thought long and hard on worldview issues from a biblical perspective. While the following article does not answer every question; it does offer a perspective that is not often considered in terms of a biblical theology. — Gary DeMar

From time to time we read on the internet some blogger or other writer that he’s not going to vote for Romney because of this or that reason. Sometimes because he’s a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Sometimes because he’s done X or Y in the past. Sometime because he’s not Ron Paul. Regardless of details, all of these bloggers make one mistake in common: Americanist political perfectionism.

A friend of mine wrote that he has three reasons to vote for Romney. 1. He’s not Obama. 2. He’s not Obama. 3. He’s not Obama. Well, that’s good enough for me, but perhaps there’s more to be said.

An aspect of this confusion is perfectionism in political life, a kind of political messianism that insists on a churchly standard of belief and of personal morality on the part of its political leaders.

The Bible, however, shows us something different. What the political leader is supposed to provide is . . . peace. In Daniel 7 God raised up a four-fold “beast” (“living creature”) whose purpose was to protect His people as they moved out into the new Imperial Age. Under the Pax Persiana, the Pax Graecia, and the Pax Romana, Jews were able to be the “four spirits of heaven” (Zechariah 2) and plant synagogues all over the empires. It was an added bonus when Nebuchadnezzar converted and when believers like Cyrus and Darius sat on the throne, but it was not necessary.

Paul wrote to Timothy, “I urge that entreaties , prayers, petitions, thanksgivings be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in his position, in order that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity” (1 Tim. 2:1-2). Does the ruler need to be a believer? Does he need to do everything right? No, nice as those would be. Rather, he needs to enforce the law and make for societal peace so that the Kingdom of Jesus can advance. And that’s it. Period.

A recent blog-essay includes this statement: “Mitt Romney, a man who openly denies the Trinitarian God of the universe, can offer no hope to America’s ailments.” We may ask, so what? Since when do political leaders heal ailments? That’s the Church’s job. What we want from them is peace. But let’s apply the above mentioned blogger’s argument again in terms of some biblical realities:

  • “King Nebuchadnezzar, a man who worships idols, can offer no hope for Judah’s ailments.” Compare that with what God said through Jeremiah. Nebuchadnezzar was just what Judah needed.
  • “King Antiochus III, a man who worships other gods, can offer no hope for Judah’s enslavement to the Ptolemies of Egypt.” Compare that with what actually happened according to Josephus: the King rebuilt the temple, relieved Judah of taxes for three years for that purpose, permanently relieved Levites from taxation, etc.

Our unnamed blogger cites Gary DeMar:

“We’re still dealing with an electorate that’s on the government dole. They need Obama to win. There’s not much that’s going to change that except a national collapse. There are a lot of people who think that would be a great idea. It would be horrific. No one will come to our aid.”

The unnamed blogger comments:

“No one will come to our aid? Only our Lord causes nations to rise and fall.”

Well, of course. Sure. But that does not mean that Jesus ever promised that He works through presumption and magic. DeMar knows that Jesus rules and can do miracles. But he also knows we are supposed to be grownups and take responsibility. When Israel was under the Law only, after Moses, the Lord Yahweh was king and the people were children. When they were old enough, God gave them a kingdom and kings, and told them to rule by wisdom. Miracles are for babies; wisdom is for grownups (Heb 5:11–14).
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  • jazzpast

    No it's not OK for Christians to vote for an LDS mormon CULT leader. This LDS church is RACIST. They feel Blacks are a CURSED people. LDS, mormon are immoral, Godless, pagen group of heathens, that's what the LDS CULT stands for!
    http://youtu.be/C4VGS2f1jNM

    • GoldenRudy

      Ok already, you don't like Mormons. Bet they are not the only group on you dislike list. But did you know that the late Howard Hughes when asked why he surrounded himself in his later, reclusive years, with Mormons, he responded, "Because I can trust them." I think I can trust Romney way more than the "evolving" Obama or is it Barry Soetoro or is it the dead guy he has the SS card number from CT?

      • jazzpast

        There is no such thing as a good mormon. And I don't dislike anyone. I HATE EVIL! Ye that love the Lord, hate evil...Psalm 97:10 Instead of reading about Howard Hughes maybe you should read the the KJV Bible.

        • GoldenRudy

          If you say so. And if one should read only the KJV Bible, why are you spending time reading this article and it comments?

        • jazzpast

          Do whatever you want. I do read the Bible a lot. All you mormon want to do is argue.

        • GoldenRudy

          For the record. I noted in another comment that I am not a Mormon. I might add also that I do not know any on a personal basis. I just think the condemnation of an entire religion that does not profess a forceful conversion like Islam, is unwarranted and any differences I may have with the Mormon religion pale in contract with the danger this country and all people of good faith will face with a 2nd term of the Obama regime.

        • Edward53

          How can you quote the Bible in one breath and spew out your lies and hatred the next? You have serious mental problems and by being a Paulbot kind of says it all.

      • ANNIEM

        @GoldenRudy: Truth about Mormons: Although they "officially" dropped their Cain Doctrine, which clearly states that people who are not "lightsome and delightsome" (white) are condemned by God at birth and will NEVER reach Heaven as they will, but will be the servants of white people throughout eternity. Also, one of the things they do in their "sacred" (secret) temple ceremonies is TAKE AN OATH TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Also, if you go the the LDS website, you will find their open and in your face support of ISLAM (which supports bigotry, pedophilia,misogyny). They also have in common that they do NOT believe in the Jehovah, the true God of Judaism and Christianity, and the Father of Jesus Christ. You see, Mormons believe in Elohim, a former mortal of flesh and bone, and that they will NEVER be allowed into the "Celestial Kingdom" without their prophet Joseph Smith's say so. The Muslims pray to THE MOON. So, before you fall into the progressive trap of labeling anyone bigoted, etc., do your own homework first. And how do I know so much about Mormons? B/c I actually joined for a while, But this religion, much like Islam, believes in tequiya. So one does not find out the truth until one is knee deep. I got out upon learning that their temple ceremonies are straight from the practice of the occult. So I will unabashedly state that I, too, will NEVER support a Mormon anymore than I supported The Muslim currently residing in MY White House!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

      You can believe muslims are worse. They will saw your head off with a tree limb saw when you don't convert to what they believe.

      • jazzpast

        LDS, mormons will do the same.

    • 4Truth

      Well diariah mouth if you know so much where is the evidence? Either put up or shut up. You sound like you'd fit well in a bed with Reid and Pelosi and Barney Frank. I'm a Christian and I will vote for Romney as I believe all people with an ounce of brains will.

      • jazzpast

        Your no Christian voting for a LDS, mormon CULT leader.

      • jazzpast

        Conservative leadership and passion is what the American people want to hear. And your not hearing that from Mitt Romney. RINO Romney is a Socialist just like Obama. Both Romney and Obama are part of the problem, not the answer. Romney your LDS, mormon CULT leader isn't going to save America keep dreaming.

    • Bob B.

      I think you're mentally sick.

      • jazzpast

        Truth is like a two edged sword isn't it.

    • Edward53

      No, the Ron Paul Cult is racist along with your messiah just as he is anti-semetic.

  • jazzpast

    The LDS, mormon church is an ABOMINATION to GOD! This LDS mormon church is not a Christian church. Mitt Romney is not a Christian! Mitt Romney is not part of the Judeo-Christian faith. Mormon believe in a lot of things Christian do not accept theologically. Most Christians don't recognize mormonism.
    The Great Joeseph Smith who created this CULT was a polygamist with at least 27 wives, some say over 60 wives. Mormon LDS church is an ANTI-CHRISTIAN Church! Watch this video and listen to truth.
    http://youtu.be/scJMzMO3YUE

    • krdave

      Well ole buddy, it ain't Islam. Haven't you figured out that is what we have to worry about?

      • jazzpast

        There isn't much if any difference in the muslim and mormon.

    • Deserwest

      you dont speak for God. So shut your big pie hole.

      • jazzpast

        I use Mitt Romney's face as a urinal target in my bathroom stool. That's what I think of your LDS, mormon, CULT leader. Your mormon Messiah,_ YUK, YUK, PUKE, PUKE!

    • Bob B.

      Again, you don't know what you're talking about

  • jazzpast

    If your going to support an LDS mormon church were loyalty and the welfare of the church is more important than the practice and principle of HONESTY. Plausible denials and DECEPTION, LYING anything making the mormon CULT look good. Then you might as well vote for Mitt Romney! You might as well join their Godless CULT! No it's not ok to be Christian and support an LDS CULT leader. A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN HIMSELF!
    http://youtu.be/S4p1W0QT8NQ

    • alle

      Grow up and take a look at what Obumma wants for our Country SOCIALISM
      PLEASE VOTE ROMNEY HE REALLY IS OUR ONLY HOPE.

      • jazzpast

        Mitt Romney is the SOCIALIST scumbag that gave us Obamacare. His Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare. Mitt Romney is the father of Socialized healthcare in America. I'm not voting for your Socialist LDS, mormon, CULT leader.

      • jazzpast

        The only hopes for America is the LORD Jesus Christ. Men and politicians won't save you from what's coming.

    • Deserwest

      loyalty to ones church, yes that surely is a sign of a satanic beast... to a moron.

      • jazzpast

        Joseph Smith the creator of mormonism was a polygamist and a criminal that was shot jumping out of a jail cell window. Joseph Smith had 27 wives, some say as many as 60 wives. Yes, this man was a Satanic beast.

    • Chuck

      A vote for Obama is a vote for the end of our free constitutional Repubic and the establishment of a socialist state under control of the UN.

      • jazzpast

        The same goes for establishment Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney=Barack Hussein Obama

    • Bob B.

      I'm sorry for you, jazzpast.

  • Lynn

    Jazzpast, why are you even on this blog? Do you really think Obama has better morals? Is Obama honest? Does he create jobs for the working class? Does he REALLY care about anything but saving his job? Even Obama's supporters are tired of his lies. It's time we elected someone who does not bow down to foreign kings. Cinco de Cuatro? Are you kidding me? And please, Jazz, learn proper grammar.

    • jazzpast

      Why am I on this blog? It's called Freedom of Speech! You Romney supporters are worse than what we have in the White House now. You would shut everyone's mouth that didn't support Mitt Rubish if you could. Mitt Romney is left of Teddy Kennedy and Obama. The truth is people like yourself are Socialists! And another word for Socialist is NAZI! America wouldn't have Obamacare if it wasn't for Adolf Romney!

      • steveni

        So now you cry Freedom of Speech when the left tried s to eliminate it for everyone else.

        • jazzpast

          I have never in my life voted for a liberal. I'm a base conservative and I'll never vote for your RINO Socialist who is left of Obama. I served over 20 years in the military! I have more of a right to Freedom of Speech than you do. You RINO Romney freaks are worse than what we have in the White House.

      • alle

        OH MY GOD , MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU !!! You sound like a Nazi ,

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

        A vote for ohbummer is a vote from an idiot.

      • SFC RET DENNIS

        You sir are speaking from pure hatred and not from facts.

        • jazzpast

          No, I don't hate anyone. I HATE EVIL! I'm a Christian! Ye that love the LORD, hate evil... Psalm 97:10

        • jazzpast

          And you sir are a FAKE Republican in the New Romney CULT. Your a RINO Zombie! Mitt Romney your Messiah isn't going anywhere. Your a blind IDIOT following the blind to the ditch.

      • Bob B.

        You sorry forlorn creature.

      • fynelad

        jazzpast, First you seem to accuse followers of Mitt Romney as being Socialists and Nazis. I believe that Obamacare was instituted through the use of Socialist and/or Nazi type methods by Obama,Pelosi and Reid. (lies, deception and force - hoodwinking people into believing it was "good" for them). Who then, are the true NAZIS? Why, if it is so "good", has Obama given out all those exemptions to his friends, congress and especially the unions?

        • jazzpast

          Truth doesn't matter to you Romney Freaks you LIE about everything! Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare. Romney's own advisor admits it. Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare everyone in the United States knows that! Mitt Romney is the architect of Socialized healthcare in America. When Obamacare destroys our country Mitt Romney should get all the credit!

    • jazzpast

      Mormon founder Joseph Smith and his book of Abraham was all a made-up LIE! The Mormon's are deceived! Joseph Smith was a FRAUD! Their mormon truth is all a LIE!
      Watch this video the truth about the mormon.
      http://youtu.be/e49POJrQv2I

      • BlueViolets

        A lot of people also think the Bible is a lie and a made up book but that doesn't make it so.

        • jazzpast

          I don't worship you. I follow the LORD Jesus Christ so I really don't care with you think.

        • BlueViolets

          Apparently your love of Christ does not include showing kindness or respect for others. And by the way I didn't say I didn't believe in the Bible. I will pray for you asking God to teach you more consideration and kindness for others.

        • jazzpast

          Don't pray to Joseph Smith for me. RINO Romney supporters love to dish it out but you just can't take it. All you want to do is argue. You don't have anything to say about the Bible or Christianity. And don't have anything I want as far as being a Christian.

        • BlueViolets

          For your information I am an Evangelical Lutheran not a Mormon. And apparently you don't read your Bible very much so no we don't have anything to say to each other. I will say one thing though. I haven't met a bigot quite as big as you in a long long time. Remember Christ taught to love your neighbor as yourself but I guess that means only select neighbors to you.

      • SFC RET DENNIS

        Your video is full of lies, made of of liers.

        • jazzpast

          RINO Romney LIES about everything. He doesn't think anyone will investigate all his LIES. Mitt Romney hasn't even paid any taxes for ten years. The government needs to force Mitt Romney to prove that he paid his taxes, because he didn't. Mitt Romney is a TAX FELON! Mitt Romney has something to hide because he is a criminal.

      • 4Truth

        I hadn't thought of it before but I looked at your picture after reading the reply you sound like a Nazi and it's true You even look like Hitler. Tell me are you a white supremecist? That would explain your hatred! I even bet your eyes are Brown you're so full of it. eh! dieriah mouth.

        • Edward53

          He supports Ron Paul.

      • Bob B.

        You had better hope that you never die. There is no hope for your kind.

        • jazzpast

          My life is in God's hands. My hopes, dreams and future are in the LORD Jesus Christ. I don't put my life in the hands of men, politicians or Joseph Smith!

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Neither do Mormons

        • jazzpast

          I have read the book of mormon their whole religion is based on Joseph Smith! Go somewhere else with your LIES!

        • jazzpast

          If I go to hell you will be busting through the doors right behind me.

    • alle

      AMEN!!! FINALLY I SEE SOMEONE ON HERE WITH A WORKING BRAIN !!!!

    • jazzpast

      Mitt Romney isn't any better than Obama. Barack Hussein Obama and Mitt Romney are both Socialists. Two LIARS that LIE about LYING.

  • Screeminmeeme

    Thoughtful article.
    Heres my take on the subject for what it's worth:

    1. As a Christian, I want God's will to be done in my life because as Lord of all, and the Holy, Just and Good Creator of the universe, His judgments are right. I seek His wisdom in everything I do, including who to vote for. It's knowledge of God's unfailing love and mercy for me which enables me to trust Him with whatever happens...whether the person I vote for wins or loses.

    2. In a perfect world, I would want everyone, including the President, to be a genuine
    Christian living in humble submission to God.....who walks as they talk, loves their neighbors, stands with integrity and honor, and holds to the Judeo/Christian ethic in all they do.

    But...It's not a perfect world....and anyway, the Bible says that not everyone will choose Christ.

    3. From Scripture we learn that God uses broken vessels..... not golden goblets....... to pour out His blessings on mankind.

    We are all broken. Cracked pots....often tossed aside by men as useless........but perfectly suited for God's purposes.

    3. Historically, God has frequently used the unexpected.....like a talking donkey......to carry out His will. If God can use a donkey, He can use anyone or anything He chooses.

    Anyway.....at one time or another, we've all acted like jackasses.

    4. Since I believe in a Sovereign God...omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient....who ordains the powers that be, I believe that whoever wins will have done it because God ordained it. (Rom 13:1) That is not to say that man is to just sit by doing nothing while stuff happens. It means God uses the agency of flawed men to carry out His will and that requires our active participation.

    When Obama won, though I had worked long and hard to thwart his victory, I believed that God had given us the pro-death President that an infanticidal nation deserved and he remains a whipping stick in God's hand to chastise America.

    Obama's victory caused many to awaken from their complacent slumber and love affair with materialism to the economic disaster of the century........to the horror of impending marxism pushed by an America-hating president.....to the evil of abortion.......to their own personal need for God....and many have been motivated to seek God's will in their life and for this Nation.

    So, God worked the Obama victory for our good, after all.

    5. There is NO ONE who is perfect...and certainly NO ONE who is the perfect candidate.

    We are not voting for a religious leader but for someone who believes in America, knows about running a capitalist economy, and is willing to abide by the Constitution.
    Being a Christian politician is not the only criterion that I would look for in a President.

    I have some friends who are atheists/agnostics who live exemplary, ethical lives, who would
    put some Christians to shame. On the other hand, we've all seen professing Christians literally caught with their pants down or their hand in the till.

    Though a Christian, I would have no problem voting for a conservative
    atheist if I believed it was God's will for me to do so.

    6. Bottom line: Though I'm learning all I can about the political landscape and candidates and trying to discern the issues, separating fact from fiction, using my God-given mind (such as it is), I'm also praying earnestly for God's leading....praying that He would expose the truth about both men...... and that HIS WILL would be done.

    From all that I've learned and from what I believe God has impressed on my spirit, I intend to vote for Romney.

    I don't know what the future holds...but I know Who holds the future.
    As the Psalmist said: The Lord is on my side. I will not fear what man can do to me.
    So...I don't fear the outcome of the election.

    • jazzpast

      Your no Christian anyway. Christians won't support your LDS, mormon CULT leader. Salvation is to be gained bt trust in God through Christ and not by your horned Joeseph Smith or any man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church.
      The teachings of Christ should be taught out of the Bible, and not Joeseph Smith's book of mormon.
      Your NO Christian!

      • Screeminmeeme

        1.You don't know me.
        2. I've had a ministry to the cults (incuding LDS) for over 30 years so I know Mormonism very well.
        3. We are not voting for a religious leader, but for a president.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          So if Romney was in the first Church of Satan, but a fiscal conservative, which he is neither, would you mind voting for him?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

          Another idiotic troll appears to spew and make up nonsense.

        • Screeminmeeme

          Tim Brown.....read my longer post. I have laid out my thoughts about why I'm voting for Romney.

          The Bible says that all people fall into 2 catagories....either they are a child of God or a child of satan. Those who trust Christ by faith become the children of God.

          Now Romney professes to be a Christian....despite the many teachings in Mormonism which contradict the Bible. Because of my ministry to them, I've know several Mormons who I truly believe were saved, IN SPITE OF what they had been taught.....but they had issues with leaving their LDS church because they would have been shunned by friends and family.

          The bottom line is that I can't see Romney's heart but I can seen his actions and his values about family and country come very close to mine. Has he made mistakes...changed his mind about issues? Yep..But then so have I. I believe he is a good man with an honest intent to help restore America and I believe he can do it.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Screenminmeeme, the Scriptures are also clear that Satan disguises himself as "an angel of light" and Paul says that if someone brings another gospel other than the one he preached that person and their gospel is anathema. Mormons bring a different Jesus and a different gospel than Paul did. So the faith that Mitt Romney promotes is not a faith in the Jesus Christ of the Scriptures, but faith in the Jesus Christ of the imagination of Joseph Smith and the non "prophets" of Mormonism.

          You acknowledge that Mormonism is NOT Christianity, but a cult. Therefore I press the question again: Why vote for a cultist and not for a Satanist since in the end they are promoting the same rebellion against the God of Scripture.

          Most of your argument I agree with in that of the sovereignty of God and all and yes even Obama was used of God for our good. I don't question that. But then to say something like "We are not voting for a religious leader but for someone who believes
          in America, knows about running a capitalist economy, and is willing to
          abide by the Constitution.
          Being a Christian politician is not the only criterion that I would look for in a President."

          I agree it's not the ONLY criterion, but it should be in the list. After all the apostle Paul tells us that the civil magistrate is God's minister (Rom. 13) and as his minister he wields the sword as punishment against evil doers, yet Romney has a record of exalting evil doers. Exhibit A would be the vast evidence of his promotion of homosexuals, signing legislation for homosexual "marriage" endorsing homosexual couples to adopt children and promoting that homosexuals should be in the military and in the Boy Scouts.

          Now, seriously, it's your conscience before God when you go in the booth to vote, but don't even begin to try and appeal to someone like this as someone God would approve of a Christian casting a vote for. Because there is no biblical basis for it.

          I realize the donkey scenario and all of that can be used of God. That is not an argument for voting for someone who teaches a false gospel, tries to claim the teachings of the LDS church are Christian and endoses homosexuality and a whole host of things I can document.

          I'll follow my conscience and the teachings of Scripture and vote for a person that is closer to moral, biblical and Constitutional leadership. After all God is sovereign. He already knows who will be in office. I'm just going to honor him with my vote for a man that I believe, not to be the "lesser of two evils," but a man that will honor God in office.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          But, and evangelical Christian is NOT on any ballot for November! If you are referring to Ron Paul when you say "but a man that (who) will honor God in office," i don't believe Paul's opinion on Islam, the Palestinians and Israel honor God, especially when in HIs Word, He promises that those who love Israel will be honored and Ron Paul does NOT. You'd better think seriously about casting a throw-away vote because you think that's what God would want you to do. If you truly believe He is Sovereign to the point of predetermination of everything that happens (a five-point Calvinist view), then how you vote won't matter at all. Don't you get it? If the Sovereign God has already chosen the next POTUS, why bother to vote? eh?

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Sandy, not only am I a Calvinist, but so is the publisher and author of the article. I don't see Islam claiming to be Christian. They are clearly anti-Christ. But Mormonism is deceptive in that it claims to be Christian when it's gospel is not the gospel contained in the Old and New Testaments.

          Are you saying Paul hates Israel? Really: Please provide proof of your claim or retract your statement. He wants them to be sovereign nation and defend themselves and take whatever measures them deem best to do so. That is far from not loving them and you might want to check exactly what you are quoting there as I'm sure Mr. DeMar would correct you on applying that passage about loving Israel to the modern day Israel:)

          As for your reference to Calvinism, you are correct in the decree of God, but as to conscience and obedience to God, then how I vote most definitely matters. I'm guessing you don't fully understand the doctrines of Calvinism or you would not make the mistake you just did. I do not believe in fatalism and that is a huge difference.

          So are you a Christian? If so, then does the God you claim to believe in, has he not chosen who will lead next? Has He not decreed it from all eternity? After all, He says that He raises up kings and puts them down. If you believe that, then why are you voting? I suspect it is the same as I am.....neither of us are God:) Therefore we vote conscience, or as many are doing in the Republican party "holding their collective noses" in fear of Obama and voting for whoever the GOP puts up as its nominee.

          Honestly, for most in this forum Romney was never the man for them. Even now the cry is still Obama has to go and anyone but Obama, but there is no "Romney movement."

          It's true we are under a Muslim president, no matter what he says about being Christian. Do you think God will bless again if His people back a professed poly-theist? I'm guessing not.

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          Well said, sir. You state your opinion and give facts without resorting to divisive name-calling, and apparently that is rare in today's godless society! God bless you!

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          I've read your posts and I disagree with you about your reasons for deciding to vote for Romney, but I would like to say I very much appreciate the fact that you state your opinion without resorting to childish tactics such as name-calling and bullying. Oh that all on this forum were as respectful!

          Blessings to you, and may God save us all!

        • Brian

          WHAT? you tell us nothing!

        • jazzpast

          You don't know a thing about the Bible. Your on here supporting the mormon CULT and attacking Christians. I'm not voting for a Godless, LDS, mormon CULT leader. Mitt Romney never was a conservative or Republican. RINO Romney is a Socialist.

      • alle

        Do not forget God Created everyone , so, he also created Romney and did a great job , Romney has the abillity to create jobs, which we need badly, Obama is a Muslim , he even said he is !! Oh , and Obama has created NOTHING !! But, he sure knows how to take lavish vacations.. spending our money... Get smart and vote Romney PLEASE !!!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          Sure he did - he created jobs - too bad they are all overseas - and he created Solyndra - doesn't that count? heh heh

        • jazzpast

          While Governor of Massachusetts at the end of Mitt Romney's term Massachusetts was 47th in job creation. That was worse than Illinois! Mitt Romney didn't create any jobs in Massachusetts! It's a damned LIE that Mitt Romney will create jobs. Mitt Romney was the Father of Gay marriage in America though.
          http://www.romneyexposed.com
          http://www.massresistance.org/romney

      • CSpear

        You've missed the point. Reread Screeminmeeme's comments again…and the Bible. God has used nonbelievers, and even the donkey, to carry out His will. While Christians would love to vote for a Christian candidate, look at the choices available. Vote your values, but also who you think might best lead considering the current situation of our country and the past performance and goals of the candidates. Make sure you vote…and above all, pray for the one who is elected. God can and will work to bring about His plans. The way he works depends on the person He works through. I do believe God blesses those who love Him and are called according to His purpose and that our sins can stand in the way of receiving His best for us–personally and as a nation. So Christians need to stand up, be involved, "walk the walk" and pray like never before. May God have mercy on us. 2 Chronicles 7:14, "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." Amen, so be it."

        • jazzpast

          I'll put my hopes, dreams and future in the LORD Jesus Christ. You put yours in men, politicians and Joseph Smith and see where it takes you.

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Mormons don't put their hopes, dreams and futures in men, politicians or Joseph Smith. Your argument is a classic strawman.

        • jazzpast

          Yes they do.

      • Revrend G.

        Guess you have a choice of a Mormon or Musulim. Humm, since your are the all knowing Christian, I guess you will judge the people of the world, prior to Jesus. I'm happy that you have the inside track. Too many Religions claim to be the one and only true Religion. The Bible says, no one can come to me except through my Son, Christ.
        I'm sorry, as you would not consider me a Christian, as my title is Reverend, Doctor of Divinity.
        None of us our perfect, but as the posting after mine I feel is correct. We are voting for President, not a Religion or Religious leader. If you want a religious leader, vote Obama, and you will get a Religious, Marxist Leader, who will complete the circle to Communism, and we will loos all the freedoms our Founding Fathers fought and died for.

        • jazzpast

          Mitt Romney and Barack Hussein Obama are both Socialists. Your vote won't change a thing. Mitt Romney=Barack Hussein Obama

        • jazzpast

          Salvation is to be gained by trust in God through Christ and not by Joseph Smith or any man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church. The teachings of Christ should be taught out of the Bible, not Joseph Smith's book of mormon. And not by the traditions of men.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        An idiotic troll spews its nonsense in support of Obama.

        • jazzpast

          Joseph Smith and his lies won't save you. Your just pure evil.

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Nope, Jesus will save you. Check out lds.org and find out how.

        • jazzpast

          Salvation is to be gained by trust in God through Christ and not by your horned Joseph Smith or any other man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church. The teachings of Christ should be taught out of the Bible, not Joseph Smith's book of mormon.

        • jazzpast

          The LORD Jesus Christ did save me and I didn't need your LDS, CULT for that.

        • Edward53

          jazzy, I know that you are a practicing homosexual from reading some of you other posts where you admitted it. Please leave your boyfriend and come to God. He will save you and come into your heart and make you a better person. He will take the bitterness and hatred out of your heart, jazzy. Please give HIM a chance.

        • jazzpast

          No, your just a sick mormon freak that has an obsession with SEX. I guess that's why most LDS, mormon support polygamy. The muslim support polygamy too. They say Joseph Smith created the mormon faith by using the muslim religion as a blueprint.

      • Foxy

        Your closed mind is full of hate. You are a poor misguided soul. Try explaining your hate to God someday. And someday will surely come for you. Repent!

        • jazzpast

          I don't hate anyone. I HATE EVIL! Ye that love the LORD, hate evil. Psalm 97:10 No it's people like yourself that is filled with HATE! I'm more of a Christian than the likes of you. You don't even know the Bible. You do what's right in your own eyes. Watching people like you follow RINO Romney is like watching the blind follow the blind to the ditch.

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Wow! Just, wow!

      • Bob B.

        Sorry, sicko, you're on your way to Outer Darkness.

        • jazzpast

          Barack Obama just went up in the polls to 53% Ha, ha, ha!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Which has nothing to do with November 2012! If this were a Christian nation (and it isn't), and if, as the first Supreme Court Justice said, "We have a duty to vote for Christians," were the only consideration for this race, then let's all vote for Billy Graham on a write in ballot. The issue here in THIS election is to depose the illegal POTUS with the man most able to do that. What the Chick-Fil-A debacle has shown is that there are plenty of people in this country fed up with the liberal bias that has prevailed for far too long, but most especially during O's reign of terror. So, whatever your beliefs are about Mormons and Mormonism, i would suggest you think of November ballot boxes and what a loss there will do to America in the next four years!

        • jazzpast

          Your not even a Christian! You do whatevers right in your own mind. I don't follow you. I'm a Christian and I'll put my hopes, dreams and future in the hands of the LORD Jesus Christ not a man or filthy LYING politician. The only hopes for anyone in this world is the LORD Jesus Christ! I'll never vote for your anti-Christian, LDS, mormon CULT leader. People like you deserve the government you have.

        • Edward53

          jazzy, you're not sounding like a good Christian. You're passing judgement on everybody but yourself. Please give up that nasty lifestyle and come to God.

        • jazzpast

          Ed you don't know a thing about being a Christian because your a Godless pagen heathen.

        • jazzpast

          America is a Christian nation! It was built by Christians. People like you don't even understand where Liberty comes from. Proclaim liberty throughout all the land.. are the words of the Old Testament Bible. And the words inscribed on the liberty bell. One historian after another will tell you the fact is that wherever the Gospel of Jesus Christ has gone there comes in it's wake freedom and liberty. The LORD Jesus Christ came to set the captives free. Without the Gospel of Jesus Christ there is only violence and chao's. Your mormon LDS, CULT leader is not going to save America. In fact you deserve the government you have.

      • Edward53

        No....you Paulbots are being deceived by your messiah.

    • jazzpast

      A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN!

      • rlhcca

        AND A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR .......... hmm, I don't know, righteousness? humility? brotherly kindness? love? joy? peace? patience? kindness? goodness? gentleness? faithfulness? self-control? Riiiightt.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          NOpe, same thing:)

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

          Liberal troll with no brains above.

      • tofubamboo

        Wrong. A vote for Obama is a vote for Satan. He is evil incarnate. Romney is not. He is a decent family-oriented man who has more scruples than Obama can even think about.

        • samtman

          Satan, what Satan, there is no Satan, another invention to scare the hibie jeebees out of children.

      • Alle

        Satan Is Obama

        • surj

          Alle " Satan is obama " Right, because he belongs to this cult http://www.thereligionofpeace.com Wake up America

        • Edward53

          Is that a propaganda website for Ron Paul?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

        What an ignorant thing to spew.

      • Brian

        your Butt must be jealous with all the S**t coming out your mouth!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

          You should know all about Butts, that's where your head is inserted making you an expert on excrement first hand.

      • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.bartlett.948 Debbie Bartlett

        I don't understand your comment because SATAN is already in our White House.....I know, you meant to say a vote for Obama is a vote for satan!

      • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.turner.543 Sarah Turner

        You are being hypocritial. What do you think a vote for Obama would be? He says that he is a christian and leans toward Islam and practices nothing.

        • jazzpast

          A vote for Mitt Romney or Barack Hussein Obama,___I WANT TO PUKE! TWO LIARS THAT LIE ABOUT LYING!

        • jazzpast

          Mitt Romney isn't a Christian. RINO Romney is a LDS, mormon CULT leader.

      • medivac

        ---And a vote for Obama is a vote for a turd !!

        • jazzpast

          I agree!

      • Don'tTrustEm

        I'm not sure either one is really Satan. But I also still don't get that if Obama is a Muslim why did he attended Pator Wright's Christian church?

        • 4Truth

          Do you really believe pastor? Wrights is a Christian church? God teaches love and fellowship not hate and boycots.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          Do you know anything about Jeremiah Wright? He preached "another gospel" - one of hatred for white folk, and Black Liberation by taking control of the country. You should read up on him. He is NOT a Christian, he is a racist of the highest order. Just google him and you will see that his theology is one of violence and hatred.

        • jazzpast

          Who knows what Barack Obama is. He was raised as a muslim though. Mormon and muslim, there really isn't that much difference in those two religions. They are both CULTS.

        • jazzpast

          They say Joseph Smith used the muslim religion as a blueprint to create mormonism.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        Liberal troll spew from a head full of bovine excrement and placed in a nether passageway for far too long.

        • jazzpast

          What a Foul mouthed evil demon you are.

        • Edward53

          jazzy, is your boyfriend as full of hate as you are? Release that hatred.

        • jazzpast

          Your a RINO Romney Zombie. If I was close enough to you. I would put a stake in your head and garlic in your mouth. Then sew your big mouth shut.

    • alle

      I believe God has spoken the truth to you , and I also have that very strong feeling from God to Vote for Mitt Romney.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        May God requite you according to the veracity of your statement in His name.

    • Super gramma

      Very nicely put. I 100% agree with you. Too bad some people don't investigate for themselves instead of listening to the uninformed

    • SuzieQ

      @Screemin, wonderful reply. THIS should be an article in itself. Well thought out and persuasive.

    • CSpear

      EXCELLENT RESPONSE! Amen.

    • joelsplace

      Well written an thought out but you ended up with a poor conclusion. Since God is in control you should vote for the correct person and not who you think is the lesser of 2 evils. I have a question in response to the article: What's the difference?, What's the difference?, What's the difference?
      Unless something changes I'm voting for Ron Paul even if he isn't on the ballot.

      • nlhale

        I am praying that Ron Paul, at convention, will ask his supporters to NOT write in his name, but vote for the Republican candidate. To do otherwise, is a vote to retain O for another disaterous 4 years.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

          Thank You, At last a voice of reason and Sanity.

      • baxtor

        You will give your vote to Obama by not voting at all.How foolish and selfish are you ,to see we are in dare straits here in this counrty and you want your man at all costs.selfish!!!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          DIRE straits, Baxtor! Otherwise, i agree, it is foolish and selfish to write in Paul's name. i agree that Paul should sound an alarm with the Paulies and ask them NOT to do that!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        A vote for Ron Paul in the general election IS THE SAME AS A VOTE FOR OBAMA you dummy! Don't be a ronpaulbot zombie and help elect Obama.

      • fedup40*

        Forget Ron Paul, He is out... Romney has the background to bring jobs back, make our country strong again, and America good again. Romney for President, Rob Portman-V.P. and John Bolton Sec of State,

      • Edward53

        Then you will be voting for a lost cause.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        And if you do, you will have voted for Obama! Don't you get it? You will have thrown away your vote! i don't understand you Paulies - he didn't win the nomination! If enough of you obstinate folk write him in, you will only succeed in taking away votes from a candidate who has the potential to win and you will have given your vote for another 4 years of KING-O! You really are that dedicated to stupidity? If you are, there's no hope for you. What's the difference? Romney has actually worked for a living, is educated and has built businesses and made money. If you believe the spew from the liberal lefties, Soros and Alinsky, you deserve what you get with 4 more years of the Marxist-Communist take-over, hundreds of Executive Orders destroying your freedom and your Constitutional rights...that what you want? Yikes, God help us! The Paulies are coming, the Paulies are coming!

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      Exactly: we should vote our own conscience and stop listening to people trying to persuade us otherwise. We all should vote our conscience and the way we truly feel in our hearts that we should vote. Period. Whether or not that is a vote for Romney or someone else is our choice.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        Vote for Romney, a vote for any loser is a vote for Obama.

      • Doug

        Excellent point, julieloreen!

        Doublespeak: American Vision news ran the article by Joel McDurmon, relating Joseph Farah's article, "The Real Most Dangerous Man in America" from 2010. The man Joseph was referrring to was Mitt Romney. See:
        http://americanvisionnews.com/3464/joseph-farah-romney-most-dangerous-man-in-america-americas-toast; http://www.wnd.com/2010/10/217629/

        Nothing has changed in Romney, in fact we have seen much more of his flip-flopping during the campaign. He is more dangerous than Obama - who at least makes where he stands clear.

        Mr. Jordon stated that Governments are to make peace, period. Governments are not just to make peace. Romans 13:3 makes it clear that "rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." Governments are supposed to punish evil and reward good - this may require "non-peace" to do so.

        In any event, what makes us think that Romney will bring more peace? He supported the war in Iraq, and he supported the NDAA (amendment that allows US citizens to be held as terrorists indefinitely; see http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/08/mitt-romney-would-have-signed-ndaa-as-written/)

        Also, peace is not just physical, but Spiritual. Romney refused to support Chik-fil-A, and supports homosexuals in the Boy Scouts. Our government brings not just violence in physical action, but violence against the Kingdom. Beware those promising a false peace: 1 Th 5:3, For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape (taken a bit out of context, but I think still applicable here).

        Christ did not promise peace. Luke 12:51 51, Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division. We are in a spiritual battle, and we keep giving into the so-called Republican party that gives us candidates like Romney and McCain who are liberals in almost every definition of the word. The Republican party has played a lot of shenanigans in this current nomination process to make sure that Ron Paul stayed out (as reported by American Vision and can be read here: http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/glenn-j1.1.1.html)

        I believe that conservatives, by constantly giving into left-of-right candidates, create a status-quo Republican party will never change, and America will continue our rapid trip downstream toward the falls. We need to start reversing that trend and let it be known that we are no longer putting up with these extreme compromise candidates.

        I do believe the general premise that we often need to vote for the non-ideal candidate, and that we must be prudent and sly in our battles and dealings with the world. However, in this case I cannot in good conscience vote for either Obama or Romney. Let us start voting our consciences, and let one chase a thousand through our obedience.

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          Amen! :-D I agree with you 100 percent. To me, this is the TRUE spirit of the "Tea Party." And it's what it means to me to be a conservative, not just in word but in action as well.

          Here's a copy and paste of another comment I made on someone else's comment. It's appropriate here, too, I believe.

          "This article and your comment got me to thinking along this line: if Obama, as a Muslim, were Republican, would people be giving the same arguments against using personal belief systems and moral guidance to not vote for him as they are trying to use against people like me who have serious issues about voting for Romney? Because that is what is happening here: conservatives are being lambasted for having serious issues with Romney. In effect, we are being told to not vote our conscience by people who are filled with fear. We are being told to follow the crowd. We are being shamed and bullied into voting against our personal beliefs. In fact, the attitude now seems to be that voting according to one's personal beliefs is stupid, antiquated, moronic, idiotic, or any other number of derogatory terms; now we have to vote for the most electable; "God would have us vote for Romney," these people are saying. Scroll through MOST of the posts here and you will find MANY hateful attacks by conservatives towards other conservatives. It's sickening. Sounds more like a wonderful plan cooked up by liberals (in both Democratic AND Republican circles) to divide the party and win the election, whether that win is Obama or Romney.

          I've lost count of how many times I've seen this quote on this blog today: "A Vote Against Romney is a Vote For Obama."

          Uhm, NO! It's a vote according to my conscience. I wish for ONCE we'd get a real conservative to vote for without being blasted by supposed conservatives for not "toeing the party line." Well, I "toed the party line" in 2008. Look what it got us...."

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          another miss-reading of Scripture! The "peace" that good rulers are to bring to a nation is NOT world peace! It is peaceful existence for the inhabitants of the land under that ruler's rule. For instance, Artaxerxes (Ahashverosh) was a very good King to the Israelites while they were captives in his land. He was good to his Queen Esther, and he allowed Nehemiah to go back to rebuild the wall, gave him an escort to get there safely and a "credit card" in order to buy materials. The people were treated well during his reign. But was there world peace then? Not for even the briefest of time. When you take Scripture out of context, you are not proving your point. Jesus, Himself admonished those without a sword to get one because He knew this world would be a world of conflict. Read the whole Bible, not just the parts you like! And for Pete's sake, if you don't understand it, get a reliable commentary, not some liberal distortion of what the Bible says. i have studied both Hebrew and Greek, as well as studied the customs of the Bible times - Don't take Scripture out of context to try to prove a point about world peace that isn't there!

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          I didn't mention anything about peace or scripture in my post. You must have replied to the wrong person. But I agree with your premise and warning that we are to not take scripture out of context! :)

        • Doug

          Hi Sandi. Perhaps you were referring to my post. I was not speaking about world peace either, please read more carefully. I agree that the peace that James Jordan was referring to is peace internal to a nation. However, this would include sending our 18 year old soldiers into a war that we shouldn't be fighting in Iraq, many who are then coming home with massive psychological issues from the garbage they witness and are thus not profiting from "peace". Also, the NDAA I mentioned brings the battlefield into our borders, calling US citizens terrorists and now immune to our constitutional protections. Neither of these is bringing peace into our US of A.

    • Aunty B.

      Thank you for your solid "take" on all this. I admire your humility and your attitude which is not colored with distain or judgementalism! Bless you!

      • Aunty B.

        And remember, the enemy's ploy is to divide and conquer!

    • dfijan

      As I agree and identify with all you have posted here, God has led me differently as to who to vote for. I believe Ron Paul to be a better candidate than Romney. I've never supported Romney because he is too liberal for me and I feel compromised even thinking about voting for him. I am disappointed in the treatment I have received from my christian friends who are supporting Romney and verbally bash me for not getting on their bandwagon. I will stand before God and give an accounting of all He has entrusted to me, including my precious right to vote, and I am very comfortable standing before God and saying, "Yes, I voted for Ron Paul." Like you, I don't fear man or the outcome of the election. I do find it interesting that we have been led to vote for different people.

      • Screeminmeeme

        dfijan.......I have a lot of respect for Dr. Paul. I believe he's a genuine Christian who has lived an honorable life as a physician as well as Congressman. I believe hes economically spot on, but his foreign policy is dangerous and bewildering. As someone who knows Islam well and understands the motives of the terrorists, I am against anyone who would try to appease or acquiese to the demands of Muslims.

        Unlike what Dr. Paul thinks, the Islamic terrorists are committed to the demise of not only America but every non-muslim nation and they are compelled by their obedience to allah's commands as laid out in the Quran, to wage jihad until the entire world lies under the darkness of shariah law.

        What our nation has or has not done has NOTHING to do with inciting them to mayhem. They USE whatever we do to JUSTIFY what they are ALREADY committed to.

        We all must be persuaded in our own minds and vote according to our own consciences...so I respect your position, though I believe it is impossible for Paul to win and therefore any vote casted for him is a vote for Obama.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        With that attitude, just go vote for Obama; A vote for Ron Paul in the general election is wasted and steals a vote from Romney making it easier for Obama to be re-elected.

      • dfijan

        I used to say the same things about Ron Paul's foreign policies because that is all I heard from the media and GOP. It was preacher Vodie Bachum that wrote and article about Ron Paul that led me to research Paul more. I was surprised and ashamed at how wrong I was and how unfairly Paul's message has been distorted. God opened my eyes and it was at that moment I put my support behind him. Before people like Pamela berate others for voting their conscience, they should put their bias aside and do some sincere research lest be guilty of spreading falsehoods. As far as the terrorist, not afraid of them therefore they do not impact my decision...God does. And I disagree with you amd Pamela. When I stand before God He will not say my vote for Ron Paul was a vote for Obama....He will say it was just that, a vote for Ron Paul. Now if God were a clever politician, He might say it the way you did but luckily for us God doesn't resort to dishonest word plays.

        • Edward53

          How could you ever support a man who hates the Jews and Israel? A man who praises the murderous Palestinians and Iranians but who despises the Israelis for wanting to protect her country and her citizens? How could Ron Paul be considered a true Christian? I've researched Dr. Paul, too (and not on his propaganda websites and YouTube videos) and I found alot of things that I didn't like about him.

        • Screeminmeeme

          dfijan...........My knowledge of Dr. Paul's foreign policy did not come from the media or anywhere else. It came from his own mouth and I heard it with my own ears...and that's why I consider his foreign policy to be dangerous.

          When I stand before God at the Bema seat where all Christians will go to be rewarded for deeds done in the Body, I pray that God will say, ....
          ''Well done, good and faithful servant.''

          Not ''perfect servant''...not someone who never made a mistake or never sinned...but someone whose heart was like that of King David who often tried to do the right thing but went about it in a wrong way..... and who also boldly sinned in plotting the death of Uriah after impregnating his wife.......who was a lousy father and husband and one could argue, a lousy king at times.......but yet.....he repented for his sins with contriteness .... and God called him ''a man after His own heart.''

          1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel:(in speaking about Saul who Israel decided that they wanted for their King) Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth NOT as man seeth; for man looketh on the OUTWARD APPEARANCE, but the LORD looketh on the HEART. .

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Really? You would stand before God and say, "I am proud that I voted for Ron Paul" - even though Ron Paul is anti-Israel? Even though your throw-away vote could give us four more years of Marxist-Communism, Soros and Saul Alinsky? You would feel comfortable explaining that to God???? Wow! Romney isn't my first choice - but Ron Paul wasn't even on my radar screen because of his isolationist views and his views on Israel! Yikes you Paulies are a scary bunch!

        • Doug

          Sandi, you should look up Ron Paul's views on Israel. He is more pro-Israel than most in that he wants to give them their liberty to act as the sovereign nation that they are. The US is always twisting Israel's arm to enter into this so-called peace agreement or that one, all to their own peril.

    • imnofool

      Screaminmeeme, I found your response heartwarming. I love your devotion to the Lord and that you trust in Him for guidance. Will you forgive me for lifting it and sending it in an email to like-minded friends? They need to read it for it was that good! Thank you and God bless.

      • Screeminmeeme

        imnofool....Thank you for the kind words. Feel free to pass it on.
        May God bless you and our wonderful Nation as well.

    • http://twitter.com/SunsetParker Sunset Parker

      I couldn't agree more. Christian rightwingers, with their loony birther consiracies, raw racial hatred, Islamophobia and misogyny, gun-worship, nativism and anti-science fantasuies are indeed a bunch of crackpots.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        A troll with Recto-Cranial insertion Syndrome spews nonsense from the load of excrement between its ears.

      • Screeminmeeme

        Sunset Parker....I see you missed my point.

    • Foxy

      Very well said!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      Right on! i am one of those "cracked pots" but it is often through those cracks that the Light of the World (Jesus the Christ) can shine out. You have stated it all well! And, you are right, Obama was a wake-up call!

    • mskyace

      Well said, I hope everyone reads this. The Lord was watching over you with this comment. You have something that the rest of us need to grasp and hold on to. Amen!!

  • CARLjr

    Is it OK for anyone worth under five hundred million dollars to vote for Romney?

    • Screeminmeeme

      CARLjr......You guys on the left ought to be ashamed about this constant class war crap you promote.

      And it's such hypocrisy. Obama and his gang of thugs are all wealthy.....as are the Hollywood elites...and homosexuals who statistically are better off than most other Americans......as is Soros and the whole host of Obama benefactors.

      The Dems hold dinners for 30,000 bucks a plate.....while they decry Romney and the wealthy people who support him. They complain about the his luxurious living while indulging in caviar.

      The hypocrisy of the left is disgusting.

      • alle

        Thank you , you said it all , and all true.

      • CARLjr

        It is true that both sides are completely corrupted by wealth. Both sides are paid for and owned by Goldman Sachs and billionaires like Soros, Adelson, and the Koch brothers. Both sides hold the 30K a plate dinners - probably more. Both sides are corrupt - but Romney is proud of his corruption. He is practically uses it in his ads.

        Romney has already shown that he supports policies that protect and help the very wealthy, regardless of how it may hurt the majority of citizens. He has shown that as an elite - it's ok to not pay taxes, to lie on his SEC reporting, lie to his investors,to lie to election officials to illegally become Governor of a state he was not a resident of. He has shown that it's fine to shuffle funds away from the United States and off to Switzerland, Luxembourg, and the Cayman islands to make sure that the country he "loves" does not get a dime they are rightfully due from financial transactions he made here and cheat the country that enabled his success. He has shown that even though everyone else has a legal limit of $6,000 they can put into their IRA - he can put in millions. His tax plan (or is it Paul Ryan's plan?) cuts taxes for the wealthiest of the wealthy and RAISES taxes on 95% of the rest of us. The size of the tax cut he’s proposing for the rich is larger than all
        of the tax expenditures that go to the rich put together. As such, it is
        mathematically impossible for him to keep his promise to make sure the top one percent keeps paying the same or more.

        He has great experience except you cant ask anything about his time as Governor, CEO of Bain Capitol, or the Olympics or see any records during those times. He will protect the 2nd amendment, ban abortion, create jobs, balance the budget, and restore our standing with the rest of the world - except when he has said and done the complete opposite of those things in the past. I expect him to run this country like he ran his business - take anything of value for him and his cronies, leave an empty rusty shell, then take off with his loot to the Caymans on his jet.

        Taxes - I'll figure it out later, but it'll be cuts for job creators!
        Budget - I'll balance it! How? I'll work that out when I'm president!
        Healthcare - repeal and replace! Replace with what? That's not My job to figure out!
        Military budget - double it! How are we going to pay for it!? I told you that budget details are coming - Congress will fill in the details and figure it all out after I'm elected.

        Romney is prepared do the legal minimum for this country,

  • jazzpast

    Mormon founder Joseph Smith and his book of Abraham was a made-up LIE. Mormon are deceived! Joseph Smith was a FRAUD! Their LDS, mormon truth is a LIE. Watch this video and the truth about this evil CULT.
    http://youtu.be/e49POJrQv2I

    • http://profiles.google.com/mbabsit Walter Jacque

      Jos. Smith was also a pedophile, and also had several male lovers.

      • jazzpast

        Joseph Smith the great mormon prophet was a criminal and a polygamist with over 27 wives, some say as many as 60 wives. He slept with other men's wives. He was shot dead jumping out of a jail cell window in Illinois. Ha, ha, ha !!

    • Chuck

      Most everything Obama says is a lie. Why are his lies acceptable and Romney's are not? LDS members are very religious, believe in God, and live by a vey strict code of ethics. Obama is a Muslim without any honor, no ethics, and hates America.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        Neither are, vote for someone else.

      • jazzpast

        There is no such thing as a good mormon. Salvation is to be gained by trust in God through Christ and not by your horned Joseph Smith or any man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church. The teachings of Christ should be taught out of the Bible, not Joseph Smith's book of mormon.

    • GoldenRudy

      Who said that voting for Romney means accepting the belief system of the LDS? Where? Does voting for Obama mean you follow Rev Wright? Oh, wait, I think it does. I'm voting for Romney anyway and most likely will not be attending LDS services. I love this country too much to allow Obama and his socialists a 2nd term.

      • jazzpast

        Your not a part of the Judeo-Christian Faith. Your not a Christian so vote for your LDS, mormon, Godless, CULT leader. Your vote won't change a thing.

        • GoldenRudy

          Well, if you say so...

    • st george utah girl

      You are very wrong. Have you ever sat down and asked an active Mormon about their faith and LISTENED? Try it. You might be surprised.

      • jazzpast

        I don't want anything to do with your lies or your Godless, CULT.

        • Edward53

          How about your Godless Ron Paul Cult? We sure as hell don't want you haters in power.

    • otherone

      Does this preclude Christians from praying that Mormons will somehow accept Jesus Christ and be saved? I believe this is one of the duties of Christians, not to hate those who do not believe as we do but to pray for them. Finally, I have yet to know a Mormon who is not a caring, good person. I think they merit our prayers.

      • jazzpast

        I don't hate anyone. I HATE EVIL! Ye that love the Lord, hate evil... Psalm 97:10 I don't vote for Godless, LDS, mormon CULT leaders. You have no understanding of the things of God. You do what's right in your own eyes. I don't follow you or Joseph Smith. So i'm not interested in your thoughts.

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          You, sir, are no Christian. Turn in your card.

        • jazzpast

          But if I supported the great mormon prophet Joseph Smith who was a criminal and a polygamist with over 27 wives. (Some say OVER 60 wives) Joeseph Smith the man that was shot dead jumping out of a jailhouse cell in Illinois. If I was more like him them that would make me a Christian,__ huh? I feel sorry for you. Your a lost, sinful soul.

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Why don't you share your knowledge about what crimes he was convicted of. "Ad hominem" is a type of logic fallacy. As is "red herring", which is what the polygamist claims and his martyrdom are.

          No, I didn't each my conclusion about whether or not you are a Christian based on which theology you do or do not subscribe to. I based them on your actions here.

    • Bob B.

      Jazzpast, you don't know what you're talking about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/charles.c.murphree Charles Murphree Jr

    Gary, how can you believe one liar up over another? You're just voting for a different head of the same beast.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

      Not true, ohbummer is an anti-American , Romney is pro-American.

    • TD22

      You must be voting for Ron Paul, which is actually a vote for BO of Hussein.

    • Brian

      And just what proof of this have you found? I suspect you have contempt with no knowledge of why, that my friend is a shame

  • http://www.facebook.com/Nelly320 Anne Tess

    This is a poorly argued, and poorly written, article. Too many strawmen arguments; too many illogical statements. I am *not* voting for Romney, but not for ANY of the so-called "reasons" stated at the beginning of this article. That any Christian can believe Romney is in any way better than Obama, that he would allow for the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ to be sounded throughout the land, truly defies belief. I grieve for the Church in America.

    • alle

      Smarten up and vote Romney, Obama is a Muslim , He even said that he is.. Romney is a smart man , a good man and we need to get rid of Obama or he will take us down.

    • GoldenRudy

      "...that he would allow for the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ to be sounded throughout the land..." Open you eyes and see what is before you and the rest of us in this election. Romney or Socialism. Show me where socialism is friendly to any religion? Mormons (I think) try to convince you via argument. Socialism does via threats of bodily harm.

    • ltlolady

      Boy oh boy, You cannot see what obama is and does. He can't get out of the white house fast enough for me! He is giving all our secrets and simpley destoring our United State of America. May God help us please.

    • Deserwest

      "that any christian can beleive Romney is in any way better than Obama, that he would allow for the TRUE gospel of Jesus Chriust to sounded throughout the land, truly defies belief"

      I grieve for your brain, or what is left of it. You clearly have NO clue as to what christian values encompass. How about sanctity of work, sanctity of marriage, how about ALL the lies and distortions Obama is spewing forth on a daily basis. How about you getting a clue and trying to focus in on reality.

      Your post defies reason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

      So, you think having a muslim in the white house has been and will continue to be , BETTER ?

  • Notasheep

    WOW!! You're all freakin insane! Every day I'm reminded how religion has ruined society, this here is just another example. In theory, religion is supposed to bring people together, but nothing in the history of mankind has separated people more than religion has. Nothing has spread more hatred and violence than religion.
    And BTW, neither Romney or Obama give a crap about us. They've all sold out to their corporate sponsers and banks. These politicians are you like fiddles, usiing your beliefs (and whatever else they can) to get your vote. Haven't you figured that out yet?? They've divided us, and are in the process of conquering us. Oldest trick in the book. Smarten up people!!

    • tofubamboo

      No, every day I am reminded how a secular society has ruined men's souls. Sex, drugs, rock and roll...that's our culture now. How many kids go to church? For that matter, how many parents takes their kids to church? Without a moral foundation, people go adrift. Period.

    • Deserwest

      jaded and cynical. yawn. Your opinion, lacking facts, is nothing.

    • Super gramma

      So, what's the answer then?

    • sunnyblues

      Religion has many faces. God, however, is the same yesterday, today and forever. We are not to rely on man but we are responsible for standing up against evil and defending our God-given rights to freedom. You can go on and on about how politicians are all the same but the fact remains there are some that are far worse than others. obama is far worse than any we have seen so far. Oh, and by the way, what would you suggest? How do we smarten up in your opinion?

    • alle

      sorry but you are wrong , Mitt Romney has money and a good life, he does not need the job of President he wants to save America as we once knew her. Obam doesn't give a crap But, Romney cares about America.. Obama is a Muslim and he even told us that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/howardhacker Howard Hacker

    Goode/Clymer 2012

  • tofubamboo

    Mormonism may be a cult. But as a Catholic, I say a Mormon is a far better choice than a Muslim, since Islam is a cultural group devoted to slaughtering all nonbelievers. As a Catholic, I obviously am a nonbeliever in Islam. So for me, there is no other choice AT ALL.

    • BRIAN HILL

      I suggest some investigation on your part, Find a Mormon at work or in your neighborhood and get to know them. I as a Christian many years ago found myself working for a Mormon family. I entered with no preconception as i had at that time heard very little about the Mormon religion. I found them to be open to discussing their religion with virtually no attempt to recruit as one would expect from what we hear about cults. I found that they are very far from anything that resembles a cult. There is much to like about the dedication to their religion and family structure, I could go on for a hour giving examples, but that would be from MY perspective. As we have taken time to research the Muslim religion and find our own answers we should all take the time to do the same with Mormons. I am sure you will find nothing to fear and much to admire,
      I suggest all take the time, as we should never have contempt prior to investigation. THAT IS A SIN!

      • medivac

        I don't have to look into the Mormon people !! I have been around them off and on since 1966 that I know of. I am always treated way better when hunting in Utah than in the neighboring state to the east. I have served with Latter Day Saints in the military, also. They are good people.

        • chuck

          you are 100percent correct i got accuantied with 2 mormen missionaries in 1980 by being kind haerted they were walking one very hot day and i stopped gave them a ride to their church at the time i had no clue that they was morman missionaries which wouldnt have made any difference we became personal friends i would pick them up at least 2 times a week i was single after going through a nasty divorce they never brought their religen to sway me in any way in 1983 my 19 yesr son was killed they both flew to benton ar. from utah to help me in any way they could then 3 years later one of them and his family was on vacation they drove 200 miles to tell me how proud they was on how well i treated their son while he was on mission a dam muslum maggot like obama wouldnt have even phoned unless the bas---d wanted money

        • joanc

          That's why all the big money people are not giving Obama big sums any more. He never acknowledges their donation in person, by phone or a simple thank you note. He feels they owe it to him, ,just as all egotists do.

        • Charlie

          The things cited here are very good examples of the few Mormons I've met, as New England doesn't have very many of them.

          I've found them to be very nice, ethical people who I have been happy to call classmates, friends and co-workers.

          Living in Massachusetts, I saw Romeny try very hard to reform a lot of things in Massachusetts, and almost-all Democratic General Court of the Commonwealth (House) and Senate fight him at every turn and overturning veto after veto. While I did not, and still do not agree with the medical insurance law, I saw Romney to be a generally honest, ethical man who wanted to do the right thing.

          While I'm more of a Libertarian and prefer the Ron Paul/Gary Johnson school of thought, Gov. Romney, I believe, would serve with the honor and dignity that has been long absent from the White House, particularly in the last 3-2/3 years.

      • zigy-n-TX

        Well said Brian. I agree... we also know and have friends in the Mormon faith and have asked a lot of questions that even Baptists might find intrusive of their religion and they have been very open and as you said never attempted to convert us or talk down to us as a cult member would do. We are Methodist, not far from Catholic and feel that we should all share and look into each others eyes...and souls for what Christ would have us see and respond to.

      • willy

        I suggest you take the time before attempting to influence the undeserving. You can research mormon belief and theology if you want to call it that through " the mormon mirage" Another good way is to pick up a mormon bible and compare it. You will find it is CULT in every meaning of the word as is ISLAM ( Satans and obamas religion)and greco roman christian faiths that follow the nicean creed.
        "How
        Mormon am I?" Mitt Romney responded to a journalist from The Atlantic
        in 2005, during his first run for
        President of the United States. "You know, the principles and values
        taught to me by faith are values I aspire to live by and are as American as motherhood
        and apple pie. My faith believes in family, believes in Jesus Christ... And I’m
        not perfect, but I’m one aspiring to be a good person as defined by the
        biblical Judeo-Christian standards...""

        It
        sounds pretty good — but then, it's supposed to. For decades, Mormon leadership
        has made a concerted effort to win over Americans by making it appear Mormons
        hold the same basic tenets as Christians. In fact, they are obscuring the face
        of Mormonism through the manufacture of a Mormon mirage.

        As
        a result, many Christians today believe there's no need to share Christ with
        their Mormon neighbors — and their Mormon neighbors may well consider
        themselves orthodox Christians. We hear a Mormon state a belief in Jesus and
        "biblical Judeo-Christian standards," without realizing their faith
        is founded in teachings that:

        Jesus Christ was conceived by sexual intercourse
        between God and the Virgin Mary.
        The Bible is filled with errors and superseded by the
        Book of Mormon and the words of all Mormon prophets.
        God was once human like us, dwelling on earth, and
        "became God" through faith and good works — just as we can do
        ourselves.
        Jesus' death and resurrection secured only the
        opportunity for us to attain salvation through our own good works —
        salvation is not by faith in Christ.
        ...and much, much more that contradicts the explicit
        teaching of God's Word.

        If we can't understand and articulate these
        differences, we too can be taken in by the Mormon mirage... and be unable to share the truth in love with
        Mormons as God provides opportunities. But with Romney prominent in the 2012
        presidential campaign, the Mormon Church's vested interest in obscuring these
        crucial points is at its height.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          But, we aren't voting for a Religious leader! We aren't electing a "Pope" - we are electing a President to oversee our government! Yes, Christians can vote for Romney, and if they boycott the ballot box, we'll be in worse shape with the illegal on the throne for the next 4 years!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          Romney is technically an anchor baby himself....was his father born in Mexico ever naturalized when his grandfather returned after renouncing his U.S. citizenship? Records say he wasn't so George Romney was technically an illegal alien. Of course in those days no questions were asked. Seems like hypocrisy to bring up Obama's disqualifications without mentioning Romney's

        • http://www.facebook.com/shirley.mcmunn Shirley McMunn

          Yes!

        • LeSellers

          Romney's grandfather never renounced his USmerican citizenship. He was never a Mexican citizen. Where did you get this fallacious information?

        • Chuck

          Our number 1 enemy is living in the White House and the ONLY way to remove him is to VOTE for Romney. No country has ever voluntarily voted to destroy utsself, bt that is what Obama wants you to do,

        • Ed Shick

          If you get busy reading , You will discover that Obama is a trained communist and went with Alice Palmer ti the Check-rep. and Russia , and He is doing just what the Russians want him to do , Valleri Jarrot keeps him on what his moves are , she lives with them in White House , While it may not have made the news this commie gave 7 islands in Artic Ocean to Russia ,, That Is Treason

        • oldcoyote

          Of course he's a trained Communist. He proves that by being a puppet for the jews and doing everything they tell him. Orummy spent last week in Israhell being programed by Satanyahu and will do the same when he's elected. Wait and see.

        • Chris

          How can you lie so much - I thought you were Christians.

        • LeSellers

          Germany did. They thought they were sophisticated, too civilized to destroy itself. Adolf Hitler was elected.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          and then there is also the matter of the scrolls that were supposed to be the book of Abraham??? If he got that so wrong how could the rest of it be right?

        • wattsupstupid

          And you are going to believe this anti Mormon based lies just because it is on youtube and put out by haters of the LDS Church. I have studied many Christian and non Christian religions and I am no fool I have studied the things that you are claiming and again you take some truth and mix it with Satan's lies to try to discredit the LDS Church. Again shame on you. And again you are not voting for Joseph Smith nor a religious leader and Romney is a good man, good husband, good father and loves this country and the Constitution. Obama does not love this country and he has proven that he has disdain for the Constitution and the 3 branches of Gov. as he tramples them under foot and by passes Congress and signs executive orders on issues that Congress will not pass.

        • 40susie40

          lets vote Obama out

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          Let me give you some facts about Romney:

          After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney. As a venture-capitalist, Romney’s first major business deal involved investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts that sold office supplies. That company, called Staples, now has over 2,000 stores and employs over 90,000 people. Romney or his company Bain Capital (using what became known as the “Bain Way”) would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino’s, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others…

          Let’s recap. 1. Volunteer campaign worker for his dad’s gubernatorial campaign – 1 year. 2. Unpaid intern in Governor’s office – 8 years. 3. Mormon missionary in Paris – 2 years. 4. Unpaid bishop and stake president for his church – 10 years. 5. No salary as president of the Olympics – 3 years. 6. No salary as MA governor – 4 years. That’s a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church. Why? Because that’s the kind of man Mitt Romney is. 7. He pays 10% tithing to his church: 10% on all of his profits and income. That is more than any of the other candidates and WAY more than Obama has ever donated to charity.

        • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

          You mean the book of Breathings and the Hypocephalus?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          why millions are no longer Mormons... The founder of their religion was a total FRAUD
          They believe the bible had it wrong so they had to correct it. Sorry but I don't see how that makes them Christians.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1iGvXU0dI
          was Joseph Smith crazy or just a con artist? What he called the "book of Abraham" from an Egyptian scroll was actually from the book of the dead so he was totally discredited ---but it still exists in their Pearl of Great Price which Mormons consider as holy as the bible??? He just made it up as he went along....like Mitt does.

          SAD to think the only real opposition to Obama is from this nutty religion. I guess people would vote for someone who worshipped a toaster ---if the GOP and media told them to.

          I find it pretty funny that his widow remarried and sold this precious scrolls & his 4 mummies and tried to erase him out of her life. The video points out that she was probably bitter since he started the practice of polygamy by marrying some of her friends.

          Another interesting belief this video revealed is that they believe several gods created the earth....how that jives with the bible amazes me.....or that Jesus and Satan were brothers.....or that when they die they become gods in their own right and are sent off to other planets with a bevy of wives to populate them. Yet people think it's a Christian religion ??? Those people really need to examine it much closer.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Thompson/100000062046031 Diane Thompson

          WHOA, do you have a lot to learn! Try doing some serious attempts at looking into Mormonism, rather than watching Youtube videos for your source! Good grief, get a life! Mitt Romney is a wonderful human being who has the ability to restore America back to the people, not to the government, as Nobama has done!

        • whistle219

          there is so much wrong with your statment I do not know where to begin

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Wow, more disinformation from the ignorant.

        • Pebbles

          You sound like someone who believes Chris Matthews from MSNBC and the other news stations that are financed by George Soros. You know, just because it's on youtube does not make it so, many of those people are very biased, just as you are. And you would prefer a lying muslim, claiming to be a Christian to someone who is right up front with his beliefs? Not me.

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

          Gee, Rhonda...betcha you have an answer, don't you? Betcha it's "vote for Obama", huh? You go right ahead and do that, hear? I'm happy to cancel your vote for you.

        • mittfan2012

          absolutley im christan and would vote for Mitt

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          who are you to spread this hater talk when we have an election coming up. You don't know me. You are spitting this filth out of your mouth without even knowing who I am, without even knowing who your neighbors are who may be mormons. Who made you judge and jury? Why do you go to sources that are haters rather than to the true source., Go to mormon.org to get your questions answered. Better yet, get down on your knees and pray to our Heavenly Father - ask the Holy Spirit to bear witness as to what is true or not about our faith and religion. Jesus Christ is My Savior. He forgives me for my sins. God is my Heavenly Father and I am a daughter of God. Just as you are. You are my sister. All that matters in Christianity is that you have accepted the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ as your Savior, your Lord, your Redeemer.
          1. I know that my Redeemer lives;
          When comfort this sweet sentence gives!
          He lives, He lives, who once was dead;
          He lives, my ever living head.
          He lives to bless me with His love,
          He lives to plead for me above,
          He lives my hungry soul to feed,
          He lives to bless in time of need.

          2. He lives to grant me rich supply,
          He lives to guide me with His eye,
          He lives to comfort me when faint,
          He lives to hear my soul’s complaint.
          He lives to silence all my fears,
          He lives to wipe away my tears,
          He lives to calm my troubled heart,
          He lives, all blessings to impart.

          3. He lives, my kind, wise, heav’nly friend,
          He lives, and loves me to the end,
          He lives, and while He lives I’ll sing,
          He lives, my Prophet, Priest and King.
          He lives, and grants me daily breath,
          He lives, and I shall conquer death,
          He lives, my mansion to prepare,
          He lives, to bring me safely there.

          4. He lives, all glory to His name!
          He lives, my Jesus, still the same;
          O the sweet joy this sentence gives,
          “I know that my Redeemer lives.”
          He lives, all glory to His name!
          He lives, my Jesus, still the same;
          O the sweet joy this sentence gives,
          “I know that my Redeemer lives!”

        • Foxy

          RHONDA REICHEL!! Another modern day hippie that believes You Tube is gospel. You have to be a nut to factor in religious beliefs via" YOU TUBE"!! How 'bout Darth Vader created man and the Universe? That should wake up the Meth Addicts and "was-ups! LOL.

        • Sunny

          Rhonda --
          You know -- you have just proven yourself a total fool. I am a Mormon and have NEVER heard anything more ridiculous in my life. This video you are referring to is a pack of lies. If you want to really know what the truth is go to mormon.org. I just don't understand why there are those that want to throw dirt in a particular religion. We are Christians and try to live Christ-like lives. We don't try to tear others down to make us look good. This would be a good Christian lesson for you. Don't believe everything you read or hear about Mormons. The author of this one doesn't have a clue.

        • 40susie40

          who cares just vote Obama out

        • jondarmes

          News Flash, There was a time when all of Christianity was considered a cult. Later, the catholics considered anything except catholicism to be heretical, thats worse than a cult, that gets you burned at the stake. If you are a suni in a sheite land your butt is hanging out, if a sheite in a suni land the same holds true. It appears the dominate religion or sect in any culture gets to decide who is a cult and who is not.

        • 40susie40

          John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8. all that ever came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not hear them. 9. I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture.

        • jondarmes

          Was there supposed to be a point to your drivel, or are you programmed to only spout scripture???

        • Linda

          Even if his religion does not match up to our beliefs, he is on a bad day l000th percent better that the soulless mass that occupies the White house at this time. I am a Baptist and have have heated conversation with other Protestant religions. Whatever he is, he believes in marriage between a man and a woman. He believes in a family that would do well to be emulated by the America. He believes in the sanity of life.That can not be said of the occupied White-house crowd in there now.

        • cantonst

          Also very well said, LInda!

        • Charlie

          I'm not sure about the "sanity of life," Linda. I don't think life is sane for anyone! :)

          Sanctity of life, though, is something I think we can agree on.

        • shagarn

          Sir, I hate to differ with you, but you do not have all the answers, or facts based on the "Mormon" faith! If you would like to chat sometime off of this format, I would be happy to oblidge.

        • Pebbles

          shargarn - who the hell cares. We sould be more concerned about our country remaining a republic, which the sitting president is against and has proven it at every turn. He is a muslim liar and even lies about that, claiming to be a Christian, then in Egypt announces that the USA is no longer a Christian nation. Romney is a true believer in this country and the constitution and has proven it. I'm for Romney and not ashamed to admit it, and I personally couldn't care less about his being a Mormon. Mormons are not evil people, and I lived with them for 17 years, and can attest to that first hand. What we should be doing is adding up all of the crap that has come pouring out of Obama's mouth the last 3&1/2 years and coming to the logical conclusion that he is systematically distroying this country and our constitution, and molding it into the Marxist nation he desires.

        • David Parker

          Shagarn,

          You don't have the answer, but I am not going to reinvent the wheel trying to educate you to the fact that there is not one original thought in this entire dialogue. You get off your a__ and study the history of the church which began at the moment of creation and is related to us by the creator, read the Bible, any literal translation but preferably the 1599 Geneva Bible which has the best footnotes, and then read Dr. Walter Martin's book titled "Kingdom of the Cults".

          Come to the realization that there are two kinds of religion: One says all men are sinners and are saved from eternal hell by unmerited favor which is grace. All the rest say mankind is able to work his way to whatever bliss or reward that religion promotes.

          As for Romney, as governor he has shown himself to be a closet socialist, confused, lacking a consistent world view, and as a result very vulnerable to manipulation. He cannot do any better than Orin Hatch with his record of cave-ins to secular humanism's totalitarian central government.

          True, Obama is purely and actively serving Satan.

          I recommend that a majority of us write in Ron Paul. After all, it is Obama's media that is telling us only Mitt has a chance to defeat Obama. Ron Paul can eviscerate Obama in a debate and none of the other so-called candidates can. Their compromises betray their lack of principle. The two party system is totally controlled and as a result our qualified candidates such as Ron Paul and Alan Keyes are blocked.

          Sincerely,
          David Parker

        • joanc

          I stand with all the others, who say the Mormons are good people ,they do not try to convert me. I have many friends who are of the Mormon faith and I trust them completely, I find them to good neighbors, friends and co- workers. President Obama, sat in a church for 20 plus years. listening to his pastor "God Damning America," for all that time , and never acted to rebut Reverend Wright, for the hatred he filled the minds and hearts of his congregation. The Reverends words, fell on the adult ears and unfortunately, on the impressionable young Parishioners. Obama, is reported to be a smart person, but it has to makes you wonder, if He feels the same way as his Pastor.. Since taking office, his actions all have had a negative effect on the economy, the Constitution, and immigration law. His nasty in the gutter campaign, also makes US citizens wonder if he is revealing his true self, for he is certainly not the person, who was all smiles and promises as he lied his way into the White House. We hope to correct that mistake come November, by electing a man with the proven ability to turn around the mess, this administration made

        • Monkey See Monkey Poo

          Willy, clearly you know nothing about Mormons. Number ONE the Mormon "Bible" is the King James version "Bible" They also have the "Book of Mormon" which is NOT the Bible. If anything is like a cult I would say it is many Evangelical sects that use all manner of means to convince someone they are going to burn in hell unless they follow that belief. No doubt you fall into that category of cult. Number TWO nowhere in the Bible is Trinity mentioned and in fact many common "Traditions" held by Evangelical Christians are not actually found in the Bible but are in fact derived using various verses.

          So you go ahead and exercise your right to hate and lie about Mormons or as they are actually known members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". Technically they are "Saints" of the Church of Jesus Christ of these the latter days.

        • Pebbles

          Christ's Declaration regarding the Trinity in His Great Commission to
          His Disciples
          "Go . . . teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
          the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost [Spirit]" (Matthew 28:19).
          If these three were not God, it
          would not seem right to give each the same dignity and honor. And if they were
          more than one God, would not Jesus have been likely to say "in the names"
          instead of only "in the name?"

        • disqus_QK8qo66Ga4

          one name because it is one God Jesus Christ, He said in St Johns Gospel if you have seen me you have seen the Father. One God , one Father , one name, Three different tittles . Why else would Peter baptize everyone in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins[ Acts 2:38] all of the Apostles were there and in full agreement after hearing the words of Jesus in Matt. 28:19. No one was ever baptized in the tittles Father ,Son ,and Holy Ghost in the Bible at all.The Trinity form of baptism was not used until 325 AD

        • Daivd Parker

          The verse you have chosen is not a proof text for what you are claiming.

          There is one correct interpretation of the Bible and that is what they meant by what they said when they said it. If it seems that one verse in the Bible contradicts another, you have the wrong understanding and your confusion did not come from the Holy Spirit.

          God has revealed himself as a tripartite being, Father, Son, and Holy
          Spirit, three persons and one essence, all with all the attributes of
          the others. The fact of the matter is that baptism is one of the two sacraments of the true church and properly acknowledges all the persons of the Godhead.

          Sincerely,
          David Parker

        • JeffWW

          ST John chapter17 verses 3,11,21,22. How can we become one if God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one God.

        • http://www.facebook.com/james.stafford.560 James Stafford

          That is not what Christ meant when he made that statement. You have to look at the WHOLE Bible to interpret individual scriptures. What Christ meant was that He and His Father are made in the same image as we are made in the image of the Father and the Son.
          If the Father and the Son and Holy Ghost are the same being, then when Christ prayed to His Father, He was praying to Himself? When Christ told His disciples that He would send the Comforter to them after He was gone, why did he just not say that He would return to them? When Christ prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, if He and the Father were the same, why did He say "Thy will not Mine be done"? If they are the same, their wills should be the same at all times. When on the cross, Christ asked His Father, "Why has Thou forsaken Me"? If they are the same, how could the Father not have been there?
          The truth is, if you read the Bible and ponder what one scripture is saying in context with all the other statements it makes, you can not come away with any other understanding but that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are indeed three separate and distinct beings, with their own distinct duties, but one in purpose.

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          the word 'and' means another - people need to study the original works of the day, in Latin, Greek and Hebrew. The words don't always translate the same into English. You are correct again Monkey See Monkey POo.

        • RescueKyron

          WOW, you have shared a powerful message at just the right time. No coincidence. God gives us clues to bring us information at just the right time. Somebody (not some bodies) is telling us something. Thank you, and God Bless.

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          Thank you Monkey see monkey poo. I appreciate that. You are correct. There are many places in the King James Version of the Bible that talk about God and Jesus being two different beings. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. When John baptized Jesus - Jesus was a man in the water- God spoke from above in the heavens - and the Spirt of God flew down in the Dove. Everyone knows this verse in the Bible. It is very clear right there that some religions would interpret that to mean that God was in Heaven and Jesus was down here on Earth and the Holy Spirit is a spirit.
          How people interpret the Bible is their business and has very little to do with whether you have accepted Jesus Christ as Your SAVIOR and the Redeemer of your sins.

        • NymRod

          For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

          The key word being begotten, Jesus was the first creation by God.
          Another key word here is "only", if Jesus is his "only begotten Son" then who created all the angles?

        • David Parker

          Just because your so-called religion is false does not mean I hate you. I was raised in a cult and thank God (who has revealed himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) for directing the Holy Spirit regenerate my heart and make me able to receive the good news of salvation.

          I pray that the Holy Spirit will regenerate your heart and the hearts of all other Mormons as well.

          Sincerely,
          David Parker

        • Lucius Junius Brutus

          You call Willy a liar. Is Willy lying when he writes that Mormons believe "Jesus Christ was conceived by sexual intercourse between God and the Virgin Mary?"

        • wattsupstupid

          I am a Mormon and some of what you say is true and some is not. Just like Satan you use some truth and then throw in lies to twist things and hope people will believe all you say. Shame on you. You are voting for a President not the Messiah, not a Prophet and not the Pope. Romney is an upstanding man that is trying to live a Christ like life as best as he can, that does not say he by any means is perfect, are you. He will not try to divide and destroy this country as he love this country and the Constitution. We are taught that the forefathers of this country were moved upon by the Spirit of God to write the Constitution and set up this country. We may have religious differences but we have been taught to love our country and to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the land. I am voting for Romney not because he is a Mormon but because he is the best of the 2 to be our President and to help this nation. God Bless America

        • cantonst

          Very well said!!! Who am I or anyone of these other jokers to judge another man's soul. And I'm tired of hearing this "By faith alone we are saved" stuff. Very few, I believe, will actually enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

        • 40susie40

          Sorry, but I have to say it, By faith alone you saved

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMKWDRN2OR2EHWPZZKV3VQFTEI May

          Faith takes on many different forms. There is blind faith, when you have nothing to base it on and you are taking a leap. There is faith based on one's character because you know them and can virtually know what they will do or say. There is faith built on experience, where time and time again, someone, lets say "God" comes through for you. I base my faith on God, since He has never failed me, though I have failed Him. He is "faithful" to me. Man made religion is not reliable. If you many Christians knew how many verses were taken from the Tanack and DISTORTED to fit their theology, you would be embarrassed and ashamed. I have neither the time or space to do it here. To study and learn. God is NOT a man that He should lie.......Who is the man who can take Me to court?.....Who was taken to court? We are to worship no form in heaven, in the sea or on earth. Why would God contradict Himself and come as a man? Scriptures have been manipulated. Remind you of the government and how they lie and manipulate to control us? Do not let the truth you discover though cause you to walk away from God. It is not His fault we have a lot of it wrong. Correct it and cling to Him. He is Spirit, not a body. "Come, let us reason together.....

        • CSN

          Faith without good works is dead (James 2)...faith alone does not save!

        • frawgeyz

          Eph.2:8 saved by grace in Christ
          Works and faith are bound to follow but works and faith do not ensure
          salvation. It is by the righteousness and sarifice of the messiah.Not what we can do but what he did.
          Many have works and many have faith but Jesus only is the way truth and life by whom we are sanctified by the Holy Ghost and reconciled to the Father.
          The TKGE had good works in it. Man may choose good or evil but salvation is in Christ alone.

        • frawgeyz

          no! It is by grace!

        • Irma

          I don't understand why some are questioning whether Mormons are different from "Christians" considering that Mormons belong to the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints. After all is said and done, I would rather have a Mormon like Mitt as President, as a friend or as my neighbor, than most "Christians" - Catholic or Protestant.

        • wattsupstupid

          I would be proud to have you as my neighbor.

        • http://www.facebook.com/leprecaun14456 Robert Myles

          This is a splittng hairs description of the differences of mormon or latterday saint's and christian, which encommpasses every religion other than islam and jew. the differences from the catholic church and the protestant is over what happens with the wine or koolaid is it transformed into the blood of christ? i am catholic and i have never tasted blood when i went to communion, but the bible preaches such is true.

        • David Parker

          Dear Robert,

          Mormons are NOT Christian!!! I didn't say so, Jesus Christ did. The Protestant Reformation was not over communion: It was over how we are saved from eternal hell, by grace or by some system of works.

          I highly recommend the 1599 Geneva Bible. Dr. Walter Martin condensed and clarified the issue in his book, Kingdom of the Cults. Go thou and study.

        • NymRod

          What loving caring creator would attach an immortal punishment to a mortal sin?
          The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

        • Jamie

          Willy, you could paint this kind of suspicion for any person walking the earth. Aren't you yourself just a mirage pretending to be one thing while in reality you're actually something else? Prove to us that you aren't.
          I'm sure enough circumstantial dirt can be dug out from under you to "prove" anything anyone wants to prove.

        • whistle219

          you make the same misstake as others do when you assume thyat it is an either or choice( works or faith) we believe it takes both,like man needs both food and water to live

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          I am a mormon - a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am very offended by your "hater' and ignorance of speaking about me who you do not know. God is my judge, not you. Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. Take the BEAM out of your eye first before you try to take the mote out of mine. Judge not, lest ye be judged. If you really want to know, ask a mormon or go to mormon.org.

        • Lucius Junius Brutus

          Is Willy lying when he writes that Mormons believe "Jesus Christ was
          conceived by sexual intercourse between God and the Virgin Mary?"

          Also, you sound like a leftist when you call someone who disagrees with you a hater. One does not "hate" just because they point out facts. In this case, the fact is Mormonism is not simply a branch of Christianity, it is a complete and fundamental transfiguration of what the church of Christ has taught about the nature of God, the problem of sin, and its solution.

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

          I have a feeling you have a solution in mind. I'll just bet it's "vote for Obama". I'll further bet you don't give a darn about the religious issue...you just want to further the "cause"...a second term for a poseur who shouldn't have been elected in the first place.

        • Foxy

          Willy,Your so called "Mormon Bible" isn't so. Their scriptures are the "Old and New testament" and the "Book of Momon" combined or as they say the "Trplicate". Three books, each seperate from the other, and combined into one large book. The only difference, Willy, is of your preaching of hatered and falsehoods. "The Book of Mormon" has never been called a "Bible". Thousands of Latter Day Saints ( Mormons ) were tortured and murdered by so called religious zealots. I won't embarrass the ( Baptists, Penticostals, Southern Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. ) by mentioning their zealot names here. Nice God fearing people? Lest we not forget the thousands of women and young female children, that were raped and tortured and killed and their familys homes burned and their crops and animals killed and then the survivors driven off their lands.
          Willy, before you cast stones, you should read the Mormon History of their Church. Today in Modern times this would never have been allowed to happen. I encourage all that read this to look up Mormon History on the internet before casting anymore stones. I DID!! Believe me you won't be converted but become enlightend! as to how this could have happened in America?

        • Arron

          I am so sorry for you. By you standards all churches are cults. But you seem to have convinced your self that after some period of time a cult becomes a religion. So the oldest cult is the best. Most people are smart enough to realize that if you search long enough any religion can sound a little strange. Remember under your standards Jesus started a cult.

        • 40susie40

          You can not be taken in if you are secure in your faith. Jesus Christ is my Savour . I will definitly vote for Mitt Romney regardless of what his elief is.

        • http://www.facebook.com/grasaxon Gary Ruth Saxon

          I have never read so many lies and half-truths is such a short writing. Maybe you need to talk to the Baptist preacher that tried to save my soul: he has learned from studying the Bible that Jesus Christ is his own father. The Book of Mormon does NOT superseed the Bible, it is a second testimony of the devinity of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. I have investigated many religions for more than 50 years and to me the Bible and Book of Mormon go hand in hand. After all that we can do it is through the grace of Jesus that we can be saved, we will be judged by our actions!

        • NymRod

          "Jesus Christ is his own father"

          For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

          The key word being begotten, Jesus was the first creation by God.
          Another key word here is "only", if Jesus is his "only begotten Son" then who created all the angles?

      • JeanB

        I had been told all sorts of disturbing things about Mormons. We moved west and after purchasing a home in a very nice area I found the neighborhood was over 50% Mormon. My next door neighbor is Mormon. I now find them to be good parents with strong family and community values. Also excellent quiet neighbors. They are good people. As for a president we could do a heck of a lot worse,,,,we already have.

      • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

        Well said. I don't subscribe to Mormon beliefs in any manner. but I, too, have been around Mormons for many years. I respect and admire their family structure (other than polygamy) and their dedication. I'm not voting for a pastor...I'm voting for a man to head-up the political fortunes of our nation. I'll vote for Romney with no religious reservations whatever.

        On edit, here...
        Someone down below noted that we could do worse...then noted that we already have. Good observation. November and the exit of Obama (hopefully without saddling us with too many "Executive Orders" before he leaves) will be a welcome relief.

        • RetiredMajor

          Just how many member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do you know who practice polygamy. I sure hope the answer is zero. It's a quick way to be excommunicated.

        • CSN

          I don't know how many, but I do know they exist. It has been proven. Excommunicated? It's their religion to be polygamous. If Same Sex Marriage changes the definition of marriage, watch Polygamy come into play in a theatre near you.

        • Hunterdude63

          FYI, the practice of polygamy was abolished in the LDS Church prior to the state of Utah recieving statehood in1885. There are splinter groups that do practice polygamy, but they are not members of our faith. Yes, I am a "Morman" and it is amusing to me how many people spout untruths as truths and myths as fact without any personal research.

        • r

          I guess my question would be; who would want more than one wife? One can be bad enough!

        • RescueKyron

          CSN... Oh dear, stop the presses, the kindergarten books will have to be formatted to include multi-wives in marriages and families along with the current kindergarten books educating students on male-male marriage and female-female marriage. Wait!! Might want to add a little introduction regarding the approval of withdrawal of don't ask don't tell and insert by John McCain and Lindsey Graham approving troops to have sex with animals. Hey mom, if they can, so can I (speaking of hiding tax filings vs hiding school etc records).

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

          Major, polygamy is a side-issue at best for me. You might note that I intend to vote for Romney without being swayed by his religious convictions. My closest friend from "navy days" was (he died a few years ago) a Mormon, and he practiced polygamy with two wives. He had six youngsters, I think.

      • Watchmanonwall

        The use of the therm "cult" is to distinguish it from "religion". A full blown religion has its set of doctrines, precepts and practices. A cult is an imitation or counterfeit of another religion. They will use the same terminology, but pour different meanings into the words. Many Mormons claim to be Christian. Joseph Smith taught that all Christianity at that time had been corrupted. And the Mormon church was restored Christianity. Not just reformed. But Mormans have a different god, who used to be a man and became god. There are many gods, and all men can become gods themselves. Christianity on the other hand teaches that there is one and only one and will forever be one God. God is the same today, as yesterday and forever. Humans will never become gods. This is just one of many many examples. If Mormans did not try to claim to be Christian, while denying the core principles of Christianity, then they would be a separate and distinct religion. If you would like more on this an other cults, like the: Jehovah's Witness and Christian Scientists, which is neither Christian nor Scientific; then go to equip. com and search for the articles there. That will be a good start. But, I will vote for Romney, because he is not a commie. He does not hate America. He does not want to fundamentally transform it. I will hold my nose when I do, not because of his religious beliefs, but because he is a big nanny state, liberal, big spender. He does not have the backbone to stand up for our rights. e.g. chick-fil-a. He better not think he is getting a mandate for his ideas. We are going to have a long 4 years holding his feet to the fire.

        • JeffWW

          A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Especially when you believe in myths and rumors as facts.

        • Watchmanonwall

          really, any facts to back up your opinion?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMKWDRN2OR2EHWPZZKV3VQFTEI May

          As a christian for 40 years, I was extremely upset at first but since I have been able to keep my relationship with God intact, yet learn the error in all religions, because they are all manmade. God exists but NO ONE has all the answers. Do not throw rocks at others when you live in a glass house, or get the log out or your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from your brothers. There are "fear" tactics and verses in almost all religions. That is not from God, but man who wants to control. If you will ever allow yourself to read about mythology, you will be stunned. But you won't, out of fear and you are told not too. There is a reason for that, learn about it. God is still Creator and working miracles, for adults as well as babies. Do not let anger or fear cause you to let your emotions rule over you. Study. God wants you to seek and learn truth, which man has distorted and exploited over the years. There are so many levels we are lied to, especially regarding religion and politics. It is a life long search. But ultimately that is why we are all here, to improve our spirits, to choose good, and God desires that and waits patiently for us to strive for that goal, all of us with a different path but in the end, achieving the same results.

        • Watchmanonwall

          @May:
          I am not trying to be critical of you. Please take this as trying to help. I am not trying to throw rocks. But, I will stand for truth. That is why my handle. It is from Ezekiel, chapter 33. It is not based on anger or fear.

          First, how can you be a "Christian" but not believe the God who has revealed Himself to us. Christianity is based on the revelation that we have received from God and the doctrines He has given to us. Otherwise, you are doing what you condemn others for doing, a man-made religion. Especially when you start putting words and desires in God’s mouth without anything more than what you wish. You have not claimed to have received special revelation from God. Even if you did, God does not change His mind, nor change His ways.

          Second, religion is not the evolution of man, but the devolution of man. It is the unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth. Even without special revelation, some attributes can be known about God based on the creation and the diversity and complexity of the creation. It is by their own conscience that convicts people that there is a universal standard of right and wrong. So they were without excuse. Although men knew God, they did not honor him as God or gave thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals.

          Third, If you believe in God, as you say you do, this God has the ability and creativity to create the entire universe. We can know many attributes just examining the created universe and this planet. [there are many papers written on this] But for us to really know God, would require that he reveal Himself to us. We cannot contact God. He has to condescendingly contact us. For this very capable God, it would be a small thing to reveal Himself to us in a book form. Also it would be easy thing to preserve this book. What you refer to as a "miracle" is an easy task for God. We have ample evidence that the Bible we have today is virtually the same Bible as written when inspired. There is manuscript evidence, Archeology evidence, Fulfilled prophesy, statistical evidence and then some. [there are complete books devoted to the evidence.]

          This, is by the way, one of the areas that distinguishes Christianity from all other religions on the earth. The rest were created by man. All of those founders are dead and still in the grave. Only Jesus claimed that he was God, predicted his death and resurrection and then proved immutably by clear and convincing proofs that he rose from the grave and his claims were true. [there are multiple books and papers on this topic as well. Many scholars and scientists and other sceptics have researched this event with the mission and goal to prove that the resurrection was not true, and ended up kneeling before the cross.] [This alone should be worthy of research by you, before you decide it was all made up.

          God is not schizophrenic. He is not going to tell one group of people here to do "A" and then go tell others over there to do "B" and so on. There is no plan B. In fact, Jesus prayed in the garden: if there is any other way, let this cup pass from him. The "answer" was no. There is no other way to save humanity. I am not the one who is intolerant. [by the way, all religions have their non-negotiable doctrine.] It was Jesus that talks about if you believe you are not condemned. If you don’t believe you are already condemned. It is Jesus that talks about the wide path versus the narrow way. Repeatedly, Jesus places people in two camps. Either you are for me, or against me. He never gives a third option.

          This is not mythology. Those claims have been well debunked. [again, far too much to go into here, there is a lot of scholarly work on this as well.]

          God bless you and guide you in your search.

        • http://www.facebook.com/grasaxon Gary Ruth Saxon

          As a father I am trying to help my children better themselves and to be better than I have been. Your God denies any progress beyond this life. Spending eternity playing a harp with no chance of progressing would be a hell to me.

        • Watchmanonwall

          @Gary Ruth Saxon:
          Your concept of heaven is coming from hollywood and cartoons. God Almighty is an infinite being, whom we, as finite beings, can spend an eternity getting to know and develop a deeper relationship with and never plumb His depths. He will forever be a novel to us. This universe is vast diverse and amazing. We will have millions of years exploring it. We will have untold time to develop skills, and have an increased ability to appriciate music and other things. We will grow in fellowship with fellow believers, meet others who lived in other times. I am just scratching the surface. No one will ever regret the free gift that a loving God gave us when he sacrificed himself and paid the penalty for our sins. Helping your children 'better themselves' will not get them to heaven. NO ONE is good enough. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. ALL deserve judgment.
          If you have other questions or concerns, I will be glad to try to answer them to the best of my ability.

        • RescueKyron

          Thank you for being here, Watchmanonwall. Prayers are said for readers and commenters to understand and accept The Truth. Eternally Important.
          Closing now for the weekend, maybe back before end of wkend. God Bless.

      • Peter Tefft

        Sounds like you have fallen for what they want the world to see. Family, dedication to their beliefs but they are dead wrong. Thats how they get their members and its very attractive, but test the spirits with the true word of God and you will run as fast as you can away from Mormonsim.

        • RescueKyron

          You are exactly right. It's really terrifying to see how lines of people are silently and obediently walking into what Christians know to be hades. All this hypnotic play on words of family, dedication, order, routine, is a real brainwashing technique. Similar to the cults like Jim Jones and the Kool Aide Drinkers. Families and friends tried hard to save their people from that cult. Fear and hopelessness and confusion ending in total submission caused the deaths of numbers of men women children. Horrible ending. All cults are evil and look "good" and show unity, like family and friendship and morality... which Satan KNOWS humans really long for. He's still at it with his deceit. For God's sake, for your soul's sake, Mormons, ask Jesus to help and save you.

      • Ray

        You couldn't have said it any better. People get so confused they start latching onto anything that makes them feel better about themselves. I am a Mormon & my goal in life is to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ & do good unto others! I'm far from an ideal Christian, but I rise each day with that purpose.

    • SpudPicker

      Is Mormonism a cult? One of the things that makes an organization a cult is that it doesn't reveal its beliefs. Go to any Mormon church and they will be glad to give you their books. And, they accept the Bible "as long as it is translated correctly!" Go to their services and Jesus is at the forefront of their beliefs and services.
      And, as a side note on cults, I'm sure that in the time of Jesus his group was considered by the powers that be and some of the people to be a cult.
      I'll take a Mormon over a Muslim any day for the reason you mentioned. And, there is no doubt in my mind that BHO is a Muslim.
      If you are worried that Romney will get his marching orders from Salt Lake City any more than Kennedy took his from the Vatican. Romney will use his knowledge of wealth creation from education and experience to run this country and its economy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        he sure learned how to offshore his millions !

        • Ariviste

          You seem to ignore the fact that Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and most of Congress are multimillionaires and Pelosi, Wasserman-Schultz have off shore accounts. The others probably do too. We just haven't found out yet. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! It is hard to fathom.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          I never voted for them either. I would kick all them out of congress if I could Replacing them with something akin to them is repugnant to me as well
          VOTE OUT INCUMBENTS
          START VOTING 3RD PARTY IF YOU EVER EXPECT TO SEE THE GOP AND THE DEMS. TO REFORM

        • wattsupstupid

          As do 99% of all millionaires. I bet if Obama showed all of his records we would find off shore accounts for him. About taxes do you pay taxes if so do you try to find all of the deductions you can, I bet you do, why should millionaires be any different? The differences is they have used their brain to get where they are.

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

          ...and you resent his millions, don't you?
          Feel the same way about the Kennedy clan? How about the Heinz connection with John Kerry? That bother you? Rhonda, you're posing here, trying to move votes back to Obama. You care about nothing else, and that's obvious.

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          @ Rhonda Reichel HELLO!!! ALL the people who have a lot of money offshore their millions and so would YOU if you had MILLIONS!!!! Why are you upset about something that is very common place? You just now figured this out?

        • Irma

          So what if Mitt has millions off shore - he's already paid taxes on it when he EARNED it. His father worked his was up with a high school education. Mitt donated all that he inherited to charity and the LDS church and Brigham Young Univ. Mitt went on to EARN everything he now has (also, when he went to Harvard, he took both Law and Business SIMULTANEOUSLY and graduated with HONORS for both degrees). Mitt is to be admired for his accomplishments.

        • Foxy

          Lady give it up! First you attack Romneys religion then you try to sell us a bunch of bull about off shore accounts as if the Obama crew isn't doing the same thing. No law against that on either side. Why do you not mention that the Obama's are worth millions? Or are you wishing Obama is in love with you? Maybe a modern Monica Lewinski?

      • LoveGodFirst

        Four things make a cult. You can remember them by addition subtraction division and multiplication. Addition- do they add to the bible ( yes the book of mormon). Subtraction- do they take away from who Jesus is? ( yes - they do not believe that he us God. They believe we will be equal to him when we perish. Multiplication- do you have to do works to go to heaven. (they believe you get to heaven in works.) the bible says it is a free gift lest any man should boast. And division- are there different levels of believers and does God see one greater than another.(and again this they do believe). Just look at one aspect of women versus men in this life and the one after.

        • wattsupstupid

          do you know your history the Bible is a compilation of books that was put together by men who did not claim any revelation or even inspiration from God. They pick and chose which books would be put into the Bible and left many out, check this out it is fact. Revelations was not the last book written but it was so different that they did not know where to put it so they put it at the end. The statement that you should not add to this book was that you should not add to the Book of Revelations not the Bible as the Bible didn't exist. The Book of Mormon is a second witness that Jesus is the Christ I can not see how that takes away from the Bible it only testifies that the Bible is the word of God. 2 We believe that Jesus is God the Son and the only way and means that mankind can return to the Father. No we do not believe we will be equal to Jesus as He and The Father are supreme. # 3 Resurrection is a free gift from God that is why Jesus died on the cross. All will be resurrected. Yes we do believe that to live in God's presence will depend on how you live here as God has said that NO unclean thing can enter into the presence of God.That is in the Bible. The Atonement is put into place when we repent and ask God for forgiveness and only Jesus can forgive. We also believe that children under the age of 8 are free from sin and if they die they will return to God no questions asked. So we believe that the Atonement and the Resurrection are 2 parts or what Jesus did for us.

        • Foxy

          Now here is a person with a BRAIN! Unlike some of these people who believe any individual that hates or left the Mormon Church or believeYou Tube is actual/factual. I leave you with one Fact! The Joseph Smith did not add to the Bible. The Book of Mormon is only a second witness of Jesus Christ and his ministry on the American Continent. Get it right! Nuff said!

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Ignorance on parade!

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          I don't know where you got your definition of a 'cult' from but our church is not a cult. That would also mean we are the biggest cult in the world with over 14 million members so far and growing by leaps and bounds every day. I doubt that ALL of us are that stupid.
          But you also need to do some bible history research. Did you know that that books that are in the Bible were voted on by men? Did you know that the ancient apostles wrote many many books? They would carry them around together tied up, They were not one book. Paul had his books and Timothy had his, John had his, they were never all put together until the politicians and religious leaders of the day, many of them fell away from the true original church decided they needed one book. They left out many important books. Revelations was written by John. But he wrote Revelations before some of the other books were written. The warning in Revelations pertains to the BOOK OF REVELATIONS! There is no way that John could even say to not take away or add to the entire Bible because there was NO one BIBLE in his day!!! Get rid of your ignorance and do some real studying. You might learn something!

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Well Katarina, you said it yourself, your church is one of the biggest cullts in the world. Thanks for clarifying. Also it's Revelation, not Revelations. It's the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Of course there was a Bible in his day.. He wrote the final book of the Scriptures. I suggest you do a bit more of a historical study on the issue and in this area Gary DeMar's work is great and so is Ken Gentry's on Revelation.

          BTW being in a cult has nothing to do with stupidity. Many brilliant people are Mormons, but the issue is spiritual blindness and unwilling to believe in the person of Jesus Christ as defined in the texts of the Old and New Testaments and His Gospel.

          you also cheapen the history by taalking about "ppoliticians and religiouss leaders of the day put them together." I have heard this over and over from Mormons and yet it is only Mormons who hold to all the jjibberish put out by Smith and his faalse prophets.

          Just so we are clear here. Everyoone that is a Chhristian in tthis forum, you needd to be waware that Joseph Smith claimed that God told him that whatever denomination you belong to was apostate. In other words you were not considered to be saved from your sins and going to heaven by the founder of Mormonism and that by his claim of divine revelation. They cclaim to be the one and only trued church of God. Theyy are sadly mistaken, being deceived by the angel of light himself Satan.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        They have a lot of secrecy and secret rituals too that they don't reveal to the public....ex mormons have spilled the beans already

        • SpudPicker

          Like what? How do you know other that what gossip mongers say. In all the time I have been around Mormons or was a member

      • oldcoyote

        Rummy will get his orders from the same place Obumba gets his. That's Israhell, as he proved by going there last week for his first programing from Satanyahu.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      The Bible doesn't say to justify evil. It says to discern between evil and good (Malachi 3rdch). Both are evil so keep your hands off of both.

      • Linda

        Noone is trying to justify evil. The process is called voting. To imply that a Christian is doing wrong by voting. That is just WRONG. The words of the Bible can be used to imply most anything, if distorted to prove an implication. Are you a Obama supporter and want to stop Christians from voting. Sounds like maybe.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          Plenty of Christians to vote for so I'm sure he didn't mean not vote...just not Romney or Obama

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

          Who are all of those "plenty of Christians" to vote for? If you vote for a third party candidate, you might just as well vote for Obama. His 'constituency' already contains 95% if the nation's Blacks, and a healthy percent of White women, plus the majority of Hispanics and Jews. so the only way he can loose is if Romney gets a huge boost from the rest of the electorate -- which you're trying to get to abandon him because he's Mormon. Pretty transparent, Rhonda.

        • 40susie40

          voting for anyone bbesides those two is a vote For Obama or a wasted vote in other words , you might as well not vote

      • Ernest_T

        True, by their fruits you will know them and LDS have real good Fruits. Vote for Romney!

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          some of those fruits are that their founder condemned anyone in this forum who claimed to be a Christian, because they were in an apostate denomination. sounds like rotten fruit to me. ernest ever looked at that text? it has to do with what one teaches and Mormonism teaches anti-Christian doctrine.

        • 40susie40

          he not a teacher, just ecause he is a morman, he is not trying to convene for petes sake he is running for president. geez

        • 40susie40

          convert not convene, sorry

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Of course he is a teacher. Just because he is not in a position in the LDS church now doesn't mean he's not a teacher. He teaches everytime he opens his mouth. So do I and so do you. However, if you are a Christian, would you support a Mormon being your pastor, or minister in your church? If not, then why would you cast a vote for one as the minister of God in the civil sphere. God says the civil magistrate is His minister (Rom. 13).

        • Ernest_T

          I have a Muslim friend that showed me documents that he said proved Christ was the son of a Roman soldier and other such tripe. I also know several supposed historic LDS documents where found to be forgeries and people went to prison for fraud. I guess what I am saying is don't be a divider love one another. We practicing Christians need to be united in the body of Christ not snipping at each other. The world needs all of us working as one. What forum, what denomination? I Give the LDSs as much latitude as other denominations because, I could find things attributed to their leaders that show divisiveness and hate to other Christian sects, like you are doing here. When I look at the LDSs I see Christians trying to follow the Lord the Best that they can. I can not testify of any bad fruits that I have witnessed and so I give them my love as fellow Christians.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Ernest I respect that, bu the fruits Christ spoke of in the passage is their doctrine, not their deeds and Mormon doctrine is corrupt at the root.

        • Ernest_T

          I guess we need to just disagree. I see nothing that is anti-Christian in their Christian doctrine. Again What founder, forum and denomination do you refer to? I can not figure out what you are saying.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Ernest, they don't have Christian doctrine. That is the point. I refer to their founder Joseph Smith. He claimed that all Christian denominations were corrupt since the first century and were apostate. That simply means anyone outside of Mormonism is not Christian. They are in fact apostates. That is what their founder claims. They are less than two hundred years old. Their founder started the false religion based on visions that only he saw and alleged gold plates, which are nothing more than mere fantasy, supposedly written in reformed Egyptian, which no one has ever heard of. Strangely enough, when he "translated" the supposed language it came out sounding just like King James English. Many have pointed out Smith's blatant plagiarism in the Book of Mormon.

          Just be careful of what you refer to as Christian, especially if you have not taken the time to look into it:)

        • Ernest_T

          I think I'm just spinning my wheels with you, but it is nice to talk to someone that might have an open mind. LDS say they have a Christian doctrine and I would agree. They would say their founder is not Joe Smith but the Lord Jesus Christ. Smith is only the first Prophet of this the last dispensation. Just like Moses restored the Gospel to the enslaved Israelites and was the first prophet of his dispensation. They believe that the church that Christ set up when he was on the earth in human form was lost through apostasy, I find this has merit. When the Roman Government and their hand picked Church leaders met at Nicene and created the New Universal Church and the Bible. Much of the Church of Jesus Christ was lost. The Bishops and other leaders that where invited by the Romans and Commanded to create one Universal Church that all of the world would live under. They created the Universal Church through compromise, extortion, bribery and all of the techniques that governments use now. The Bible was created from all of the letters, stories and other documents that the leaders brought. Only a small % made it in and they might have been changed by the committees to favor the Roman Government or one fraction or another. After the Church was created by the Roman Government it gained Monopoly status for centuries. All opposition was crushed. Any documents that did not support this man made creation where destroyed or hidden away. I am surprised how much of the truth was able to survive those times. The Great reformers read the Bible for themselves and the few survived to start the Protestant sects. They are Bible based true but remember the bible came through the Universal Church and the Nicene counsel that organized both. The LDS say They received the authority from the resurrected Jesus Christ and other authorized holders of his Priesthood. The Catholics say they have a unbroken line of Priesthood authority back to Christ through Peter. Most Protestants if they even claim any Priesthood authority say they received it through a spiritual calling. I have studied most religions Christian and non and I bare testimony that LDS are as Christian as any. The LDS would say there is only one Christian church, call it what you will but its name is not Mormon. It is the Church of Jesus Christ and he is its head. All that profess Christ and have taken his name upon them need to become one in him and stop all of this divisiveness. I understand the revised Egyptian was only used by the keepers of the plates. Joe Smith translated the plates into the religious language of his time and place ie. American frontier, Old English , and French Canadian. What Christian sect do you belong?

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Ernest, I appreciate your candor. The only problem is that the Egyptian language is completely unknown except in the Mormon mind. No one had EVER heard of it. There is no evidence for it. BTW, it was not the language of Joseph Smith. Read some of his other writings and you will notice a stark contrast. 16th century English was quite a bit removed from 19th century American English. Not to mention if you read the Book of Mormon there is a getting carried away with "and it came to pass" in virtually every verse of the first part. Much of it is simply plagiarized and has been demonstrated as such.

          There is no "religious language." King James Bible was translated as language of the culture, much like the NKJV today or the ESV.

          I am Presbyterian, but currently attend a Reformed Baptist Church.

          Claiming a particular heritage though requires proving it. Mormons cannot prove it anymore than Roman Catholics can prove that the Pope goes back to Peter.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Nobody is asking voters to become Mormons, any more than we were expected to all become Catholics when JFK was elected. i would have had a hard time voting for Paul if he'd won the nomination because of this theological stand on Israel and his pro-palestinian stance, as well as his isolationist policies. But, if voting for him (had he won the nomination) might have evicted the current resident of the WH, i would do that. But then, i believe God wants us to value our vote and not toss it away - you seem to be a spoiled brat who throws a tantrum because he doesn't get his way and then spews damnation at anyone who disagrees and uses the Bible to excuse his bad behavior. Of course, the tragic things, the sinful things in the Bible are there to remind us of God's mercy and goodness in the face of great evil, not to approve of the evils. But, isn't it evil to throw away a vote on a loser when this nation is in such dire straits? eh?

    • OldRockerguy

      A few years ago there was a
      great deal of publicity given to the “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of
      Latter Day Saints” (FLDS) and its leader Warren Jeffs. Mr. Jeffs’ cult still believed in polygamy
      and he was eventually arrested and had charges brought against him from the
      states of Arizona, Texas, and Utah. I believe that Mr. Jeffs is currently
      serving time in a Utah prison and will more than likely be in prison for the
      rest of his life. The FLDS is a cult and Warren Jeffs is a cult leader. The
      real Mormon church has emphatically denied any connection to Jeffs and the
      FLDS. It is my understanding that the FLDS has approximately 10,000 members.
      The legitimate Mormon Church has around 14 million members and outlawed
      polygamy in 1890. Any members that practice polygamy are excommunicated.
      Unfortunately, the liberal news media in their reporting failed to distinguish
      the difference between to true Mormon Church and the FLDS and left many with
      this “cult” impression of Mormons. Here in the greater Phoenix area we have a
      large Mormon community primarily located in Mesa, Az. I have had many Mormon
      co-workers and I have always found them to be a pleasure to work with. They are
      good people and the news media has treated them unfairly.

      • GunnerO6

        When I worked at AiReseach in Phoenix many years ago, some of my co-workers were Mormon. They were fine, outstanding individuals. Also, in the Army, I served with several patriotic, dedicated Mormon officers, who were beyond reproach. In recent years, the Commander of Fort Sill was a Mormon, a Major General. He was a great commander, has since retired, is a valued asset to our community still.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          I worked for Mormons as well and generally they were fine people--- but after a time I realized that there wasn't much difference between them and everybody else as far as faults and shortcomings. I still like them but I realize they are lost in their beliefs so therefore I will not follow them.
          I am quite tired of ungodly leaders so a Christian is non-negotiable for me

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

          ...and Obama is that Christian you find non-negotiable? He says he is...is that enough for you? If he said he was an aardvark, would you believe it?

      • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

        and yet Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism promoted polygamy. Incidentally, Romney's father was a Mormon and polygamist. So are you guys going to disavow romney or his father over this and say he is not a Mormon??

        BTW, I'm not saying Mormons are not "pleasurable or moral people" I have a couple of friends who are Mormon, but that does not then make them Christian.

        • OldRockerguy

          Mitt Romney’s father was George
          Romney whom I remember very well. George Romney was the CEO of American Motors
          and was credited with turning the company around during the 1950’s with the
          introduction of the Nash Rambler which was an economy car that became quite
          popular. He later became governor of Michigan and was a Republican candidate
          for the presidency in 1968 but lost to Richard Nixon. George Romney married
          Lenore LaFount, an aspiring actress, in 1931 at a Mormon church in Salt Lake
          City and they had 4 children, Mitt being the youngest. I have not been able to
          find any mention of polygamy regarding George Romney. George Romney’s parents,
          Gaskell and Anna Romney were also a monogamous couple. George Romney’s maternal grandfather was
          Helaman Pratt who was in fact a polygamist which was acceptable in the Mormon Church
          during the mid to late 1800’s. I would be very interested in where you got your
          information regarding George Romney.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          You are correct. It was my mistake to refer to his father. I meant his grandfather. Thanks for the correction.

        • 40susie40

          I am not a Morman, But I am a Christian and how in the world can you judge whats in someone elses heart. I think we all may be surprised on judgement day, geez, and i will definitly voting for Mr. Romney.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Susie, I'm not judging what's "in his heart." I'm judging the doctrine believed and that, Jesus said we should do. In fact that is what he meant when He said "you will know them by their fruits." He also said, "out of the heart the mouth speaks." What comes out of the mouths of those that believe Mormon doctrine are heresies and Jesus named those in the passage He is speaking about.

        • OldRockerguy

          Mitt Romney’s father was George
          Romney whom I remember very well. George Romney was the CEO of American Motors
          and was credited with turning the company around during the 1950’s with the
          introduction of the Nash Rambler which was an economy car that became quite
          popular. He later became governor of Michigan and was a Republican candidate
          for the presidency in 1968 but lost to Richard Nixon. George Romney married
          Lenore LaFount, an aspiring actress, in 1931 at a Mormon church in Salt Lake
          City and they had 4 children, Mitt being the youngest. I have not been able to
          find any mention of polygamy regarding George Romney. George Romney’s parents,
          Gaskell and Anna Romney were also a monogamous couple. George Romney’s maternal grandfather was
          Helaman Pratt who was in fact a polygamist which was acceptable in the Mormon Church
          during the mid to late 1800’s. I would be very interested in where you got your
          information regarding George Romney.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Yes, I misspoke. You are correct. It was his grandfather. My apologies as I was writing quite a bit:) point is that the Mormon church did endorse polygamy and the founder was clear on it. So were the non "prophets" of the Mormons.

        • OldRockerguy

          Mitt Romney’s father was George
          Romney whom I remember very well. George Romney was the CEO of American Motors
          and was credited with turning the company around during the 1950’s with the
          introduction of the Nash Rambler which was an economy car that became quite
          popular. He later became governor of Michigan and was a Republican candidate
          for the presidency in 1968 but lost to Richard Nixon. George Romney married
          Lenore LaFount, an aspiring actress, in 1931 at a Mormon church in Salt Lake
          City and they had 4 children, Mitt being the youngest. I have not been able to
          find any mention of polygamy regarding George Romney. George Romney’s parents,
          Gaskell and Anna Romney were also a monogamous couple. George Romney’s maternal grandfather was
          Helaman Pratt who was in fact a polygamist which was acceptable in the Mormon Church
          during the mid to late 1800’s. I would be very interested in where you got your
          information regarding George Romney.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          Yep, again, I misspoke and said father when I knew it was grandfather. Thanks for the correction.

        • OldRockerguy

          I have to apologize for all of the Replies - I only meant to reply once - however every time I posted a reply it seemed to disappear and a one point even your comment disappeared. I don't know if there is a problem with my computer or with disqus but I did not intend to reply 4 or 5 times.

        • OldRockerguy

          Mitt Romney’s father was George
          Romney whom I remember very well. George Romney was the CEO of American Motors
          and was credited with turning the company around during the 1950’s with the
          introduction of the Nash Rambler which was an economy car that became quite
          popular. He later became governor of Michigan and was a Republican candidate
          for the presidency in 1968 but lost to Richard Nixon. George Romney married
          Lenore LaFount, an aspiring actress, in 1931 at a Mormon church in Salt Lake
          City and they had 4 children, Mitt being the youngest. I have not been able to
          find any mention of polygamy regarding George Romney. George Romney’s parents,
          Gaskell and Anna Romney were also a monogamous couple. George Romney’s maternal grandfather was
          Helaman Pratt who was in fact a polygamist which was acceptable in the Mormon Church
          during the mid to late 1800’s. I would be very interested in where you got your
          information regarding George Romney.

        • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

          and once again, I misspoke. Thanks for the correction.

    • SickoftheBS

      Too bad he is a muslim cause he so honest!!!!!(sarc)

    • gb

      We are not electing a Pastor! An American!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000477831947 Kevin Jennison

      Before calling The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints a cult, PLEASE look up the definition. As per the definition any and all organized religions can be defined as a cult..Even the Catholic Church. do not be ignorant in labeling people.

      • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

        how about the synagogue of Satan then? That's how he referred to those who said they were Jeews and are not.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QHRUML5XFH7AMSWH63TQH7F7E4 MalikTous

      Free plug for bahai-education.org, download 'Ocean research Library' and read the copy of the Book of Mormon included in the archive package. Also includes Bible, Q'uran, Baghvad Ghita, Sufi, Tao/Shinto, Buddhist, and other core reference texts!

    • Chris

      If you are a Catholic then you are a non-believer in ALL other religions - otherwise you are not a Catholic. Mormonism is a complete falsehood.

      Such hypocrisy - but then all religions are false.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMKWDRN2OR2EHWPZZKV3VQFTEI May

      Look up the definition for the word "cult." It is used too loosely without people understanding what it means. Do you adore or worship something or someone? Than you are in a cult, all religions are. They are all man made but just because we have some wrong information does NOT mean God does not exist. He does and He extends all of us a lot of mercy and grace that covers our mistakes as well as misunderstandings. "Seek God, Seek to Improve your Spirit, and harm no one in the process." Oh, also learn to say the word "PERHAPS" to those you disagree with and God will deal with us in the end. He looks at our heart, not the label we wear.

    • jazzpast

      MORMON MUSLIM THERE ISN'T ANY DIFFERENCE! BOTH ARE EVIL GODLESS CULTS!

    • RescueKyron

      So, Catholic, you might want to think twice about praying to Jesus when you vote to put a cultist who does not believe in the trinity and relegates Christ to a menial role under humanity in our Presidency as Leader of this SUPPOSEDLY CHRISTIAN Country. If your Priest is telling you Mormons are Christians, you better check with other Priests and Bishops. Maybe you are either not a Catholic or are a cafeteria catholic that doesn't know what is going on. You be sure, now, to tell God you don't care if your vote puts a cultist in our Presidency.

  • krdave

    Well, they'd better vote for Romney.

  • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

    I wonder if this would even be a question if Romney was from the first church of Satan. No we would not be having the conversation. Romney is from an anti-Christian cult group. That is only one reason not to vote for him. His liberal record is enormous. So if people don't like the opinion for Christians, there's plenty of political reasons for not voting for him. And no, I don't support Obama, so people who disagree with me can just save their breath and take another gulp of the establishment's kool-aid.

    • Chuck

      You are a lunatic.

      • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

        Is that the only response you have? Just give an ad hom? Figures.

    • Edward53

      We all know who you support and I believe you drink alot of that kool aid.

      • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

        Edward, tell me who is drinking kool aid here. I've stuck with the same guy and same principles throughout. Can you honestly tell everyone here how many of the guys you went through supporting before the GOP left you with the current presumptive nominee? I know he wasn't your first choice. I'm gathering he probably wasn't your second, Third? Fourth? Fifth? Was he ever a thought in your mind? Or do you just go wherever the GOP leads you to water and then drink it?

        See, I know why conservatives don't get excited over Romney. It's because he is a liberal. He demonstrated that in massachusetts. Law he signed are clear that he is a liberal. Even now, you don't see that many Romney bumper stickers or yard signs. People don't believe in him. What they do believe in is getting Obama out of office. Their vote is a vote of fear, not principle.

        It really is a shame the GOP wants to nominate a guy that lost to the guy that lost to Obama. The people deserve better than that and yes, we deserve better than Obama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

    Another so-called Christian attempting to rewrite history. The GOP committed election fraud throughout the primaries to get this criminal, godless, banker pos into position as the nominee, and you sir, attempt to apologize for it. If God can use "godless" leaders for His purpose, then Barack Obama will work just as well as the trash of the Republican Party.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

      I dont see anyone trying to re-write anything. I DO see an anti-American in the white house who is doing all he can to destroy America. God has nothing to do with who wins an election. Voter fraud is rampant, among democrats! and THAT'S the ONLY reason any of them hold office.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        The GOP has proven itself publicly to be just as vile, corrupt, lying, and criminal as it's so-called opposition (btw, pro-wrestling's not real either). Voter fraud will not stand--Romney can go choke.

  • SallyE

    I'll take the Mormon over the moron anyday.

    • medivac

      You got that right !!!

    • NEW MEXICAN

      I would take a mormomn over a muslim moron anyday.

      • NEW MEXICAN

        MORMAN I MEAN

        • medivac

          Mormon !! Mormon !! Way better than Obaman !!

        • Sherry Mac

          Yep! Better Mormon than Islam, lol

        • jazzpast

          MORMONISM COMPARED TO MUSLIM. MORMON=MUSLIM
          http://youtu.be/pFAx0el9s_o

        • Sherry Mac

          Isn't it past your bedtime?

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          The Truth About the God of the Mormons

          In sharp contrast to the revelations of Scripture are the "revelations" of Joseph Smith, Brigham young, and the succeeding Mormon "prophets." So that the reader will have no difficulty understanding what the true Mormon position is concerning the nature of God, the following quotations derived from popular Mormon sources will convey what the Mormons mean when they speak of "God."

          (1). "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 349).

          (2). "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, 345).

          (3). "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's: the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit" (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22).

          (4). "Gods exist, and we had better strive to be prepared to be one with them" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 7:238).

          (5). "As man is, God once was: as God is, man may become" (Prophet Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, 105-106).

          (6). "Each of these Gods, including Jesus Christ and His Father, being in possession of not merely an organized spirit, but a glorious immortal body of flesh and bones" (Parley P. Pratt, Key to the Science of Theology, ed. 1978, 23).

          (7). "And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth" (Abraham 4:1).

          (8). "Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" (Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, 1:123).

          (9). "Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar to that through which we are now passing. He became God-an exalted being-through obedience to the same eternal Gospel truths that we are given opportunity today to obey" (Hunter, op. cit., 104).

          (10). "Christ was the God, the Father of all things…. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son" (Mosiah 7:27 and Ether 3:14, Book of Mormon).

          (11). "When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organized this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do" (Brigham Young, in the Journal of Discourses, 1:50).

          (12). "Historically this doctrine of Adam-God was hard for even faithful Mormons to believe. As a result, on June 8, 1873, Brigham Young stated, "How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day-Saints in regard to one particular doctrine, which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me-namely that Adam is our father and God.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Now, I like to ask Mitt Romney these questions.

          Where are you, Mr. Romney as far as been a God your self? Are you in the middle of been a God or are you a God now?

          Because, according to your (Prophet Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, 105-106).
          Said, "As man is, God once was:::as God is, man may become."

          So, before I give you my VOTE. Which is my GOD giving right as a BORN AGAIN, SPIRIT FILLED, WORD TOUGHT, Devil CHASING, Demon STUMPING, TONGUE TALKING CHRISTIAN.

          Which one are you running for? a God or a President?

        • an american

          Romney is a good running choice for President. He is conservative and the proof is in the pudding. He has only one wife and one family and he is totally dedicated to them. If there was something else;Obama's evil leprechauns would have already brought out into the open.
          As for Obama, he already thinks that he is a god; he keeps changing the constitution and downgrading our country and its values by the nano second.
          God Bless Americq
          a

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          That's right an american. GOD Bless America. I thank GOD for my Country. My Father and his 4 brothers, my 2 brothers, 5 nephews, 7 cousins and 4 uncles laid their lives for my FREEDOM. And I am so very proud for what they did for my Country call; THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

          Now than. Just because a person has one wife and one family and he is totally dedicated to them, don't mean HORSE-SHIT.

          A person may be ethically and morally "good" by your standards, but if he sets his face against JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOR, and rejects JESUS that without JESUS BLOOD their is NO remission of sin. That man's fruit is CORRUPT, and he is to be REJECTED as COUNTERFEIT.

          Because the bottom line is; Mitt Romney and Obama are the same as far as GOD is concern:

          This is what GOD said about both men and their wives.

          What then? Is Mitt Romney better than Obama? NO, for the WORD of GOD proved that both men and their wives and YOU and me are ALL under sin.

          As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE:

          THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IN NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD.

          THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE.

          THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN SEPULCHRE; WITH THEIIR TONGUES THEY HAVE USED DECEIT; THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS:

          WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS:

          THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD:

          DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS:

          AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN:

          THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.

          FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD: Romans 3:10-18,23.

          As it is written

        • elcamino49

          Sorry that not a thing that you said is true. Taking words out of context, is not showing that , that is how it is. It is teaching falsehoods and lies. Do yourself a favor,
          Find out what the Mormons TRULY believe in, before telling lies and taking parts of sentences and putting them together to make them sound as something else, and totally wrong. The truth is out there if only you look for it.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          I don't have to find out what the CULT truly believe in. I was in the CULT for 40 years. You or any Mormon had not yet giving us some kind of any ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of the two great civilizations that the FALSE Prophet or so call prophet claim that exist.

          The Book of Mormon, which indicate the tremendous spread of the cultures of these races, there are numerous cities catalogued in The Book of Mormon.

          EVIDENCE that these were indeed mighty civilizations, which should, by all the LAWS of ARCHAEOLOGICAL research into the culture of antiquity, have left vast amounts of "FINDS" to be evaluated.

          But such is NOT the case. You have NOT yet to explain the fact that leading ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCHERS NOT ONLY HAVE REPUDIATED THE CLAIMS OF the book of mormon as to the EXISTENCE of these civilizations.

          But have ADDUCED considerable EVIDENCE to show THE IMPOSSIBILITY of the accounts given in the Mormon so call bible.

          Can you read sir. You are a, what the TRUE WORD OF GOD says. A FOOL. What a FOOL you are. You said, the truth is out there. OUT where?

          The TRUTH should be in you. NOT out there. That's a FOOL talking. JESUS said, you will KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH will set you FREE. NOT out there.

          JESUS said, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. No one can come to the FATHER but by ME. John 14:6.

          Your problem is what JESUS said, a BLIND lead a BLIND, they, that is the BLIND will BOTH fall into the OVEN.

          You see. When you are BLIND. You are LACKING IN JUDGMENT AND LACKING IN UNDERSTANDING.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          The EVIDENCE is clear that the CITIES mentioned in The Book of Mormon are IMAGINARY. The ELEPHANTS were NEVER EXISTED on this continent, and that the metals described in The Book of Mormon have NEVER been found in any of the areas of contemporary civilizations of the New World.

          This are the kind of HORSE-CRAP that are record in your so call bible.

          This is not a little-white lie, or a little black lie, or a little brown lie, or a little yellow lie, or a little blue lie

          This is series claim.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Again. Their is not a man or a woman that is alive right now that can bring any change or healing to our Country. "(N O N E)" PERIOD.

          History tell us that. From the first President to the current President. Our Country is more deeper in the HELL HOLE. That is because, TRUE change does not come from any man or woman of any party.

          WHY? Because. GOD said:

          THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE: meaning, both men have no RIGHTEOUSNESS of their own. MEANING, one is NO better than the other.

          Both men have used DECEIT; THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS: according to GOD.

          Both men's mouth are full of CURSING AND BITTERNESS:

          Both men's FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD:

          DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS:

          AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN: That's because both men do not know THE PRINCE OF PEACE.

          JESUS THE CHRIST. THE MIGHTY GOD. THE PRINCE OF PEACE. THE EVERLASTING FATHER.

          ONLY GOD CAN HEAL OUR LAND.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          I was raise different. I was raise that my words are my BOND. And you do not tell a lie. NOT at all. So I teach my boys the same thing. For them to tell the TRUTH, NO MATTER WHAT. Because the TRUTH ALWAYS WINS.

          I found out that most people don't just lie. They PRACTICES lie. Even in front of their children. I remember one time when I was at one of my friends house, and the phone ring. I was 12 years young at the time. This was before cell phone came. This when almost every body has a home phone. And some have Beeper.

          And my friend went over to answer the phone, and I heard his mother said, IF it's for me, TELL THEM THAT I'M NOT HOME. I could not believe what I heard with my own ears. I was only 12. But some thing on the inside of me said, That's a LIE.

          So. After he hang up the phone. We went out side and play a little. And I ask my friend about what his mother said to him inside the house. And I never forget what he told me, to this day.

          I ask. Why did your mother said to tell who ever that was on the phone that she was not home, but she is home.

          I never forget what my friend said to me. He said, OH. THAT'S NOTHING. MY PARENTS DO THAT ALL THE TIME. He did not said, his mom does that all the time, But he said, his PARENTS do that all the time.

          And I said to my friend. But that's a lie. At 12 years young. I new that, that was a lie. Because I never heard my PARENTS say that. And I was not raise that way. And my friend said, Oh, it's ok. I'm use to it.

          Many years after that, I gave my life to THE LORD JESUS. I start reading HIS WORD and praying and read some more and praying some more and kept reading and reading HIS WORD, that is THE BIBLE. Than I ask JESUS to fill me with HIS HOLY SPIRIT and HE did. And I read some more and more and I got to know HIM more and more.

          And to day. My relationship with JESUS is closer than ever. And my fellowship with my Heavenly FATHER gets better and better each day.

          I tell you, knowing who JESUS really is, makes a BIG different in a persons life. HE will TRANSFORM your life from in side out.

        • attack212

          Jazzpast, thank you for sharing your obviously profound and intensively researched comment. I think we have found the moron.

        • elcamino49

          Amen attack 212

        • usaamerica

          They live among us,

        • Edward53

          jazzy, for someone who is a chronic homosexual you sure like to run everybody else down. You and your boyfriend should both drop to your knees and beg forgiveness. I know that you are both on your knees regularly, for other reasons that I won't mention, but you need repent your nasty carnal sins. Who knows, maybe someday you will meet a good woman instead of the transvestites that you currently date.

        • jazzpast

          You must be a Mitt Romney LDS, mormon CULT Bully. ha ha ha What a tit!

        • elcamino49

          And here we go again....STOP MAKING STATEMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. IF YOU ARE CALLING MORMONS A CULT, THEN YOU ARE CALLING EVERY OTHER CHRISTIAN RELIGION A CULT. YOU KNOW SOMETHING, YOU TRULY HAVE A BRAIN OF A WORM, (PROBABLY SOMETHING ELSE THE SIZE OF A WORM TOO, FOR ALL WE KNOW) SO DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE BEING CUTE, CAUSE YOU'RE NOT.

        • jazzpast

          How does LDS, mormon presidential candidate Mitt Romney expect to win the soccer mom vote? By marrying all of them! ha ha ha

        • jazzpast

          Why did Mitt Romney strap his dog Seamus to the roof of his car? Because his station wagon was full of wives! ha ha ha

        • elcamino49

          Man you really are stupid aren't you? I didn't think that it was possible for anyone to be that much of an idiot. Well just goes to show ya....I never heard of "jazzpast" before either

        • jazzpast

          I'm not a mormon. I'm not the one following Joseph Smith who was a criminal and polygamist with over 27 wives. ha ha ha Sounds to me like your the Blind idiot!

        • jazzpast

          No mam i'm not calling any Christian religion a CULT. LDS, mormons are not Christians! It's like Rev. Franklin Graham says Mitt Romney is not a Christian. LDS, mormons are not part of the Judeo-Christian faith. Your lying! Mormons believe in a lot of weird things and have different morals since mormonism did start as a Polygamist religion created by your founder Joseph Smith. Christians don't accept your religion theologically. Joseph Smith has nothing to do with our Christian religion. Sorry you don't know what your talking about. I'm not wearing your magic mormon underwear. ha ha ha

        • elcamino49

          you can laugh and be as stupid as you want to jizzpiss, but you are just showing everyone else on this post just how utterly stupid and moronic that you are. Grow up.

        • jazzpast

          Sounds like I pissed you off. ha ha ha

        • usaamerica

          Would you really rather have a Muslim in the White House? We already know what he is doing to the nation.

        • jazzpast

          Muslim and mormon are both polygamist CULTS! Both are dangerous CULTS! America needs a leader and that isn't Mitt Romney or Barack Obama! The American people need to stand up and start being counted.

        • jazzpast

          Your LDS, mormon religion is a CULT. The only reason i'm saying that is because it's true.

        • usaamerica

          Would you like to back that up with some data.

        • jazzpast

          Not really because most of the country knows Joseph Smith was the founder of the mormon mess. He had over 27 wives and some people say over 60 wives. He was a criminal and polygamist. He was shot dead jumping out of a jailhouse cell. Thank God! He was jailed for polygamy. You might as well follow an old drunk as Joseph Smith.

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Plagiarisms-The King James Version

          A careful examination of The Book of Mormon reveals that it contains thousands of words from the KING JAMES BIBLE.

          In fact, verbatim quotations, some of considerable length, have caused the Mormons no end of embarrassment for many years.

          The comparisons of Moroni 10, with 1 Corinthians 12:1-11; 2 Nephi 14 with Isaiah 4; and 2 Nephi 12 with Isaiah 2 reveal that Joseph Smith made free use of his Bible to supplement the alleged revelation of the golden plates.

          The book of Mosiah, chapter 14, in The Book of Mormon, is a REPRODUCTION of the 53rd chapter of Isaiah the prophet, and 3 Nephi 13 copies Matthew 6 almost WORD-FOR-WORD.

          There are other instances of plagiarisms from the King James Bible, including paraphrases of certain verses. One of these verses (1 John 5:7) is REPRODUCED in 3 Nephi 11:27.

          The only difficulty with the paraphrase here is that the text is considered by scholars to be an interpolation missing from all the major manuscripts of the New Testament, but present in the King James Bible, from which Smith paraphrased it not knowing the difference.

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Another example of this type of ERROR is found in 3 Nephi 11:33-34, and is almost a DIRECT quotation from Mark 16:16, a passage regarded by many New Testament Greek scholars as one of three possible endings to that gospel.

          But Joseph Smith was NOT AWARE of this, so he even copied in translational variations, another proof that neither he nor the alleged golden plates were inspired of God.

          Two further instances of plagiarisms from the King James Bible that have backfired on the Mormons are worth noting.

          In the third chapter of the book of Acts, Peter's classic sermon at Pentecost paraphrases Deuteronomy 18:15-19. while in the process of writing 3 Nephi, Joseph Smith puts Peter's paraphrase IN THE MOUTH OF CHRIST when the SAVIOR was allegedly preaching to the Nephites.

          The prophet overlooked the fact that at the time that CHRIST was allegedly preaching HIS sermon, the sermon itself HAD NOT YET BEEN PREACHED BY Peter.

          In addition to this, 3 Nephi makes CHRIST out to be a LIAR, when in 20:23 CHRIST attributes Peter's words to Moses as a direct quotation, when, as I have pointed out, Peter paraphrased the quotation from Moses (Acts 3:22-23); and the wording is quite different.

          But Joseph Smith did NOT check far enough, hence this glaring ERROR.

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Secondly, The Book of Mormon follows the ERROR of the King James translation that renders Isaiah 4:5, "For upon all the glory shall be a defense" (see 2 Nephi 14:5).

          Modern translations of Isaiah point out that it should read "For over all the glory there will be a CANOPY," NOT A DEFENSE.

          The Hebrew word (chuppah does not mean DEFENSE, but a protective curtain or canopy. Smith, of course, did not know this, nor did the King James translators from whose work he copied.

          There are quite a number of other places where such ERRORS appear, including Smith's insistence in Abraham 1:20 that "Pharaoh signifies king by royal blood," when in reality the dictionary defines the meaning of the term Pharaoh as "a great house or palace."

          The Revised Standard Version of the Bible renders Isaiah 5:25, "And their corpses were as refuse in the midst of the streets," correctly rendering the Hebrew suchah as "refuse," not as "torn."

          The King James Bible renders the passage "And their carcasses were torn in the midst of the streets."

          The Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 15:25) repeats the King James' text word-for-word, including the ERROR of mistranslating suchah, removing any claim that The Book of Mormon is to be TAKEN SERIOUSLY AS RELIABLE MATERIAL.

        • elcamino49

          @jazzpast.....if you believe that statement, then you are full of it. Why don't you find out about something, get educated about something before you open your mouth and start spewing untruths. If you think that Mormons are like Muslims, then you are saying that ALL christian religions are like the Muslim religion. The Mormon Religion is as much a christian religion as any other christian religion. They use the same bible, they believe in the same God, and so on, so why wouldn't they be treated as any other christian religion? You sir, have made a comment that has absolutely no basis in fact. You really need to check things out before you start posting untrue statements.And I don't care one bit about the youtube post that you show, there are a thousand hate videos on you tube, so that doesn't mean by a long shot that just because you have a you tube link that it is true, because it isn't.

        • jazzpast

          Your LDS, mormon religion has nothing to do with being a Christian. Your great prophet and founder Joseph Smith was a criminal and polygamist with at least 27 wives. Some say he had over 60 wives. Your mormon founder wrote your book of Abraham and it was just a made-up lie! Joseph Smith was nothing but a liar and a fraud! You mormon are just deceived! Your mormon truth is all a lie! The great prophet Joseph Smith was shot dead jumping out of a jailhouse window. He was in jail for polygamy. Your LDS, mormon CULT is just a Joseph Smith made-up fake religion a lie.

        • elcamino49

          I really got you pissed. hahahaha Truth hurts doesn't it. you are such a imbecile.

        • jazzpast

          You never got me pissed. I'm the one telling the truth. Your just a liar.

        • letGod

          Enough arguing, here's the big picture: If you don't vote, Obama will win. If you do vote and vote for a candidate other than Obama, then Obama will win. If you vote for Obama, he will win. Obama has all the right friends in all the right places, and is just a puppet for socialists to control and finally take over the once powerful US and level us down to the downward spiral of the rest of the world's economies. Those powerful friends will do every cheating trick in the book in order to make sure that Obama wins. This country is going downhill fast and there's nothing that any of us can do but pray. The big thing is though, that God doesn't always answer prayers the way we want Him to. America has become a corrupt nation just like Sodom and Gomorrah mentioned in the Bible. Why should God intervene to help a nation that is an abhorrence to Him? The Christians of this country are lukewarm and don't stand up for God's truths. We have allowed ourselves to become tolerant of just about anything in order not to step on anybody's toes. Well look where that's gotten us now. Pray for God's will...just know that God's will is not always the same as your will.

        • RescueKyron

          You reject the Truth. Jesus is the Truth The Way and The Life. He said so.

        • Ernest_T

          Right on!! Tell it like it is. These religious bigots don't lesion to anything that does not agree with their prejustice hateful non-Christian beliefs. Christ commanded Love one another.

        • RescueKyron

          And he told us The Way to love one another. He told us that if the Gospel is taught to a people who reject it, to give them chances to accept but to walk away and brush that people's dust off their feet. God is no religious bigot. He has rules that man is not to manipulate.

        • Geegee

          To my knowledge, a Mormon or Mormons have never performed the atrocities that Muslims have. No beheadings, no killing those that don't believe like they do. No raping or stoning of women, no having them to cover themselves from head to toe. No suicide bombers or any other kind of bombers. No killing a son or daughter for loving a non-Mormon person. They do not hate Jews and wish them dead, or wish them out of their own country.

        • jazzpast

          Joseph Smith founder of the mormon religion was nothing but a criminal and polygamist. A polygamist with 27 wives. ha ha ha LDS, mormon and the muslim religion are both dangerous CULTS. Both started as polygamist CULTS. The LDS, church is nothing but a political machine.

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Keep telling the TRUTH my brother. Don't let no devil silence you for what JESUS die for. JESUS said, you are the light of the world and the salt of the earth.

          This is the time to rise up and proclaim who JESUS IS. That JESUS IS GOD. And that Christianity is: GOD looking for men. John 3:16. Keep sounding the ALARM my brother. Don't pull back. We have to be like John the Baptist. Preaching in the wilderness. And it is a large wilderness.

          Keep moving forward. Don't give up.

        • BIG KAHUNA

          WE have to go through the fire. But as you know that, WE are NOT alone. The fourth man is going through the fire with US. Press on my brother. PRESS ON.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Remember Jazzpast. GOD our Heavenly FATHER does not need a lot. HE needs a few that has CUTS so HE can use in these last days.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          WE are NOT talking about HATING the JEWS. WE are talking about; THE TRUTH verses, A LIE.

          WE are talking about CHRISTIANITY verses, A COUNTERFEIT.

          CHRISTIANITY verses, A CULT.

          TRUTH verses, FALSE.

          FREEDOM verses, DECEPTION.

          SIGHT verses, BLINDNESS.

          Ask your self a question? WHO IS JESUS?

          CHRISTIANITY rise and fall on this question.

          When I first came to America. One thing I learn is that, Most people refuse to admit that they are wrong. They rather keep going than pull over and find out if they are going to the right way.

          The sad thing is, they had pass many sings on life's road that said, WARNING. DO NOT ENTER. WRONG WAY! WRONG WAY! WRONG WAY!

        • jazzpast

          No it's not ok for Christians to support the LDS, mormon CULT leader. Mitt Romney is being supported by know-nothing conservatives
          http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2006/09/romney-popular-with-know-nothing.html?zx=da7bbbb8b3373e9a

        • usaamerica

          Are you one of those angry liberals....it shows.

        • jazzpast

          Nope don't think so. I wouldn't even vote for your liberal scumbag Mitt Romney! You FAG loving RINO supporters. The truth is your just turncoats. One day you may swing for your actions if there are any records left. I sure hope so!

        • jazzpast

          Salvation is to be gained by trust in God through Christ and not by Joseph Smith or any other man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church. The teachings of Christ should be taught out of the Bible, not Joseph Smiths book of mormon. And not the traditions of men. Joseph Smith and his book of Abraham is nothing but a made LIE. Joseph Smith was a FRAUD and a LIAR! You people don't even know where liberty and freedom comes from. Your not going to find it in Mitt Romney or his the LDS, mormon CULT.

        • Julia

          Read my comment a few comments above and after yours.

        • http://www.facebook.com/brenda.l.herbert Brenda L. Herbert

          And you "THINK" we'll get it from bho? NOT A CHANCE?

        • jazzpast

          The God of Romney's LDS, mormon CULT is not the God of the Bible.
          http://youtu.be/423EFQeHnq4

        • JobRon

          Jazzpast: Romney's LDS God is the same as your God, the God of the Bible.

        • RescueKyron

          JobRon, Mormons are liars or lemmings hiding the truth of their organization's directives. They know it is helpful for them to be seen as Christians and loudly make that claim, but they lie. Read their denial of the trinity... Father Son & Holy Ghost in one. Mormonism and Scientology are systems established by men who focus on the power of men, demeaning the power of God. Wikipedia groups them in same category. You guys are looking like those who cheered Obama because he convinced them he was one of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

        • JobRon

          RescueKyron: You know not from where you speak. The New Testement clearly shows that the Trinity is a man-made doctrine. The Council of Nice (called by a secular ruler), the AthanAsain creed. Prior to that time, ask yourself a question, how many Personages present at the Baptism of the Savior? In the Garden of Gesthemane, did Christ pray to Himself or to His Father? The term of Mormon comes from our belief in Another Witness that Jesus IS the Christ, our advocate to the Father. Check Ezekial 37 and tell me where the Stick of Joseph is, if you can. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was not established by man. It was restored to the Earth through man, by God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. As far as demeanint the power of God and checking with Wikipedia, again, You Know Not From Where You Speak!!! As far as cheering NoBama, he scares me as much as I am scared of the Devil!!!

        • RescueKyron

          JobRon, you are reading what Mormons have said. Do your own reading and do it alone. Ask The Father Son and Holy Spirit to guide you. What you have said is incredibly wrong. Jesus said he founded his church on Peter and the GATES OF HELL would NOT prevail against it. There was no period of skip over time EVER since that moment and needed no "restoring" by Mr. Smith. Get real. God is.

        • JobRon

          RescueKron: NO, I am not reading what Mormons have said. I have read the King James Version of the Holy Bible many times. You haven't answered where the Stick of Joseph is. Where is it? Why was an angel needed in Revelation 14:6 to bring back something if it was already here? As far as founding the Church on Peter, read the scripture again, carefully. Christ founded HIS church on Revelation. I agree, founding on that principle would make it so the GATES OF HELL would not previal. What happened to the Apostles? God spoke to HIS earthly children through prophets, are we not able to have that same privilege today? Amos 3:7 tells us that the Lord would do nothing until he revealed His secrets to HIS prophet? As far as adding to or taking away from the words of the book of this prophecy, the compilers just happened to put the Book of Revelation at the end. If you are going to pull that, what about Deutoronomy 4:2? Do we throw the Bible, as presently compiled, away from that part forward? I think not! What about Isaiah 29:11-14? The problem I see you having is not being able to answer these questions without resorting to inuendo or false claims. I know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, so with that I shall bid you adieu.

        • noremac

          Troll

        • RescueKyron

          Mormon.

        • jazzpast

          GOD THE FATHER STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE FROM PUTTING MITT ROMNEY THE LDS, MORMON, RACIST CULT LEADER IN THE WHITE HOUSE! GOD STOP THESE HORRIBLE PEOPLE FROM PUTTING THIS SATANIC MAN IN OUR WHITE HOUSE!
          http://youtu.be/6T2rnXsZu7I

        • Sherry Mac

          Troll

        • RescueKyron

          Mormon

        • RescueKyron

          Americans are angry and against Obama, and will NOT vote for the cultist 33rd Degree Mason Willard the Mormon, who has Swiss and Cayman Island boxes he stuffs with our money... the taxes he didn't pay for 10 years. MAKE HIM SHOW ALL OF HIS RETURNS. NO MORE TRICKERY BY GUYS WANTING THE JOB OF BEING OUR PRESIDENTIAL EMPLOYEE. BOTH MUST OPEN THEIR BOOKS OR FOLD THEIR TENTS AND GO AWAY.

        • JobRon

          RescueKron: Dingy Harry LIED. If Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years, as he lied, the IRS would have been all over him. As far as showing his returns, how about about NOBama showing the records he has spent about $2million to have sealed. NoBama is a person who wants a transparent government, yet he seals everything that would prove he has no business being POTUS!. As far as stuffing boxes with OUR money, you are mistaken on that idea.

        • RescueKyron

          This is not a ping-pong game. Romney is a liar and a wimp. He proved both by running and begging Israel for support. They demanded that he define Jerusalem as THEIR Capital of Israel and fuggedaboud Tel Aviv. When England/UN gave in with sympathy after WWII and declared Israel a sovereign nation, they decreed Tel Aviv as the Capital and Jerusalem as an INTERNATIONAL CITY because it is the Holy Place for Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Oh yeah, they were going to get along and were so grateful for the Christian lives and all lives sacrificed to save them from the hatred of Hitler. Ha. Before too long they started hounding OUR Presidents to declare Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. NO PRESIDENT EVER AGREED. FOR SURE CLINTON REFUSED, BUSH REFUSED, OBAMA REFUSED, and they and others were approached. ALSO, Israel pleaded with Presidents to release their pal Pollard from our Federal Pen for spying on us and stealing our military secrets and giving them to Israel. NO PRESIDENT WOULD RELEASE HIM. Betcha they got an agreement from WillingWillardTheWimp. Willard, if you had an ounce of Christian belief, you would NEVER have declared OUR HOLY CITY OF JERUSALEM as the Jewish Capital. YOU ARE AN A*S!!!!

        • jazzpast

          AMEN!!

        • noremac

          LOL - You liberal Democrats are so full of non-truths all you know how to do is shout at us while thinking your are accomplishing something. You are so brainwashed it would be comical if it were not so pathetic.

        • RescueKyron

          noremac, you are sooo wrong. Get some history books not written by Mormons and learn their origin, activities, purpose. Christians and Christian churches have founded many many hospitals and hospices around the entire world. You can quickly recognize them by their names. Mostly Saint's names or Christian denomination names. Token Jewish hospitals in US and Israel. Please give us the number of Mormon hospitals... you can name a high number of businesses such as all Marriott Hotels, but how many churches and charity outreaches? Interesting observation applied to the man who setup the template in Massachusetts for Obama's medical laws. Did the Mormon tie the payments by Massachusetts to oversight by our IRS like Obama did? Makes it more interesting that the Mormon who wants to be President and will keep Obama's medical reins on your neck refuses to expose his taxes that have been DEMANDED by the American people. Without the defense of show me yours and I'll show you mine, why do you think this man who asks us to give him the most powerful job in the world, refuses to answer. This is not a pingpong contest, it is WE THE PEOPLE demanding information from the Mormon. We WILL get the information Obama is hiding no matter where he goes. He will NOT escape being revealed.

        • noremac

          Now you tell me just what you are going to do to stop it....You have your two nominees all sawed up in two neat packages....You will not get anyone else but those two. And I can count to 3, but that never works.....
          You had better think in terms of the lesser of two evils....I say, protect the freedom we are already losing under Obama. Now he wants to government subsidize all businesses....Come on...Can't you see what he is doing??....He is setting up his kingdom. He is taking over our country...He passes out executive orders unchecked and will continue to take over our spiritual lives and the internet. We will be tied up as a country without representation, That has already started to happen. At least with Romney our freedoms will give us room to vent in such places as this. And to worship as we so choose. I believe if Obama is elected again this site will not be possible anymore. And Christians will be persecuted beyond anything we ever thought we would see here in America. Just look at how law enforcement was told to leave the Occupiers alone even when they were breaking the law. That came from the WH. All liberals will be free to do as they please because Obama needs them.. All conservatives will be shut down and punished. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus.

        • RescueKyron

          No. Have the courage to stand with the American. Don't betray the courageous Patriots and Founders. They didn't think in terms of the easiest way out which is to vote for the "lesser of two evils" mentality. They faced an outnumbering, most powerful armed force in the world at that time. They pledged/swore on everything they owned including their very lives, to stand and fight for INDEPENDENCE, for FREEDOM. They lost many battles and lost many towns/villages/homes to destruction rather than back off the fight to protect the towns/villages/homes from damage. A famous Patriot warned us that Those Who Choose Security Over Freedom Deserve Neither. Don't betray our Founders. Vote for the Third Man who is an American, a Christian, a loyal and loving husband, father, grandfather, relative, neighbor, friend, and respected Congressman. An AIR FORCE VETERAN, an OBGYN who delivered 4000 little Americans into this country, an outspoken strong defender of our Constitution, 2nd Amendment and all our Founding Documents, and the SPIRIT of America, and a lover of America and his countrymen... Americans. No, we won't sit down and shut up and take second best of anything anymore. We've been there done that out of a desire to encompass those who had actually been promoted by another cult so we wound up with this communist in our highest office. Cults are free to conduct their own business, but cannot slip under the title of Christian in an effort to get control of our highest office. The Mormons have put many of their cultists in our government like Orrin Hatch, Harry Reid, and others. Even put Mormon Jon Huntsman, Jr. in the GOP contest for President with Mormon Willard Romney. They are very wealthy people and are on the move to grab power in our government. Mormonism is a cult. NOT Christians. Christianity believes in a triune God. Three in One. Mormons do not, they believe in man and promotion of man, same theory as Scientology. Read this:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

        • Ray

          jazz you sound just like the ex-Mormons that left the church because they would not adhere to the covenants required to live a clean & spiritual life. Your post reeks of hate & ignorance! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints is in no way a cult. Our lifestyles prove that around the World!!!

        • jazzpast

          Mormonism is a SATANIC CULT! IF YOU VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY YOUR CASTING A VOTE FOR SATAN!
          http://youtu.be/CThLVx3ePNQ

        • mojo

          you are a plant from the Obama camp. Admit it. Jazzpast. You'd rather have Obama lead us into Hell than have an honorable family man lead this country. And like I said before, READ THE SCRIPTURES, YOU IDIOT. Zech. 2 and 1Tim. 2:1-2. Plus there is a lot more in the scriptures. READ IT. A lot of the rulers were idol worshipers. Yet the Hebrews were safe under their rule.

        • noremac

          Exactly mojo - You are right on....Jazzpast is ignorant of the Scriptures and appears to worship a false god as well.......

        • RescueKyron

          Disagree. Jesus told us that He is The Truth The Way and The Life, and No Man Comes Unto The Father But By Him. Kind of puts all deniers in category of cults, doesn't it. You might talk to God about it and ask him to enlighten you while you read The New Testament.

        • RescueKyron

          Try NOT to continue as an IDIOT and read this and other FACTS about Mormon Cult. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

        • jazzpast

          MITT ROMNEY WEARS MAGIC MORMON OCCULT UNDERWEAR!
          http://youtu.be/bnVOK42o4E0

        • LeSellers

          Mitt Romney's umderwear is none of your business unless your are a pervert. If you ARE a pervert, ... .

        • RescueKyron

          Sooo are you saying you know his undies are "marked" like has been common knowledge for years about certain degree Mormons, or do you know for a fact they are not? btw, thanks to O and his cult followers (commies) we Voters DEMAND to know E V E R Y T H I N G about these characters who spend their lives trying to grab the brass ring of power of the most powerful job in the world. This is no simple request. EVERYTHING must be answered, or they can take their "privacy" and walk away. To stay and fight with the people they want to employ them IS perverted.

        • LeSellers

          There are a host of things that have no bearing on the candidaye's suitability to serve as president. His underwear is one'of those things.

          The ONLY people who are concerned about Romney's (or anyone else's) underwear are perverts. The only people who answer that sort of question are too weak or ego-centric that they do not have the imtegrity to be president.

          So , are you a pervert?

        • RescueKyron

          There has been interest in the Mormon "underwear" for years. Surely you are aware. To those who know about the Mormon belief instituted by Mr. Smith regarding marked underwear, it is the business of Voters to know if the wannabe President trusts in underwear as a religious symbol and purpose, instead of for instance, a crucifix lapel pin or other symbol for the purpose of identifying himself as a "Christian" same as an American Flag suit lapel pin identifies wearer as an American. Underwear is not a Christian symbol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
          Note the new Navoo, Illinois Mormon Temple and history.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_IllinoisMormon groups compile names of deceased Jews and "baptize" them in absentia. You can search and find that Jews have tried legally to stop them from baptizing their deceased religious members. I don't recall the results of their effort. Was in news sometime this year. Mormonism IS a Cult!

        • LeSellers

          You say there has been interest in "Mormon" underwear for years. So? There have been perverts for millennia. The only people who are interested in someone else's underwear are perverts.

        • RescueKyron

          hummm. Then how could you deny that Mr. Smith was a pervert and the father of his cult's perverts, since his mind and hands were on his entire cult's underwear and he wanted them all to wear his designs? Did he have a TSA group checking or did he do it himself? Answer please. Checkmate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

        • LeSellers

          I'm saying his underwear is none of your business nor mine, unless your are a pervert. Since you keep raising the issue, it is becoming clear who you are.

        • jazzpast

          I think it's weird, strange that Mitt Romney wears magic mormon underwear! You wouldn't find it strange that your Prsesident wore magic underwear like mickey mouse? Ha, ha, ha!

        • LeSellers

          What I find strange is that there are people who think it's their business what underwear anyone wears.

          As I said, it's none of your business unless you are a pervert. Apparently ...

        • jazzpast

          If the man we are putting in the White House wears magic mormon underwear like mickymouse it's my business, you mormon CULT freak! It's the whole of America's business to know what type of person we are putting in the White House!

        • LeSellers

          I have it on good authority that Mickey Mouse wears no underwear (he's just a two-dimensional cartoon figure, after all).

          Way back when we were children, our mothers taught us that the person who feels it necessary to call his opponent names has lost the argument. I invite the readers here to examine the messages in this topic and determine who has followed the example of Jesus by turning the other cheek, by answering mildly, by using meekness.

          By their fruits ye shall know them.
          Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

          Who has demonstrated true Christian attitudes and whose words are filled with malice and venom?

          Methinks, sir, that you have done your position more harm than you can imagine. We cannot judge your motivation, but we can observe your acts and words.

        • jazzpast

          What I have said is called truth. Take your little childish act down the road and GROW UP!

        • RescueKyron

          LeSellers, give it up. Here's your last opportunity to prove Mormons are Christians. Tell us about the Mormon teaching regarding the Crucifix and the salvation of mankind by Christ through his sacrifice on that cross, and tell us about the Holy Trinity of Father Son & Holy Spirit in ONE God. Please read your manual before you add more of what Smitty would call hear Heresy To Mormonism. American Christians are certainly observing Mormonism and herewith YOUR acts and words as Mormons pretending to be Christians.

        • LeSellers

          You will recall that I have said that this is not an appropriate forum for discussing LDS doctrine.

          My father had good advice for times like this: Never argue with an idiot lest observers not be able to tell who is who.

          Similarly, a Jewish sage reminded us that one fool can ask more questions than ten wise men can answer.

          I leave, wishing you the best.

        • LeSellers

          Pot, meet kettle.

        • RescueKyron

          Are you saying all magic underwear wearers are perverts or what do you mean? If you feel like you are in a conversational corner, you are right... there is no more defense, you have used all of the corny putdowns and Obama-style non-answers in your bucket.

        • RescueKyron

          LeSellers, seems like Mormons think nothing about their organization and certainly nothing about Lady Mitt and Mr. Mitt's taxes are any American Voters' business... like Lady Mitt said, THEY have given us all they are going to and all they need to. hummm... raises the question What ABOUT her taxes since she brought them into the conversation.

        • jazzpast

          Salvation is to be gained by trust in God through Christ and not by Joseph Smith or any man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church. The teachings of Christ should be taught out of the Bible, not Joseph Smith's book of mormon. And not by the traditions of men.

        • RescueKyron

          Cult, like Scientology. Educate yourself. Use your brain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

        • RubyBlu

          ...well, can we get it from o with his pot smoking. coke snorting, bs speaking? Just asking.....

        • noremac

          Apparently, jazzpast, you did not read the above article. We do not look to government to find salvation. We look to the government for cultural and secular protection. We look to God for spiritual matters that relate to cultural and secular protection. But we have to "be grownups" and discern how to separate the two. If you read the article you would see how God can use those who may not worship Him as His workmen to protect and to further His kingdom. You must not put yourself above God when making decisions. You must let God be God and let Him decide who is to be used and who is not to be. Just because someone does not adhere to the word of God, does not mean that God will not use them for His purposes. Be careful how you attempt to think you know all there is to know. Stop acting like you do not need the Holy Spirit to teach you, because when you do, God cannot speak to you anymore.

        • jazzpast

          The God of Mitt Romney's LDS, mormon CULT is not the God of the Bible. LDS, mormon are Satanic!
          http://youtu.be/423EFQeHnq4

        • noremac

          Anyone who does not worship Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and only way to get to God is worshiping in a Satanic vacuum. So now who are you going to vote for? Oh, you are not going to vote....I see....Then you are automatically voting for the winner and you are automatically saying that you have no concern as to protection of our freedom to Worship Jesus Christ without consequences. You are blatantly telling God that He has no business using those who worship false Gods to further His Kingdom when it is right there in the Bible that He did so many times. Stop playing God and realize that God can move in other ways than your prescribed neat little package you have put together in your head.

        • jazzpast

          A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN

        • mojo

          IDIOT

        • JobRon

          Mojo: now you are insulting IDIOTs. They at least have some brain capacity, evidently Jazzpast is so stuck on him or herself, he/she couldn't see the forest for the trees.

        • RescueKyron

          Cultist.

        • LeSellers

          Can we assume you have read the Bible (and not just "Dr." Walter Martin)?

          When we read Jesus' words, "By their fruits ye shall know them," He have gave us a key to discern who are Christians and who are not.

          It is my understanding that good feelings and good thoughts come from God, while evil feelings and evil thoughts come from an opposite source. If your feelings and thoughts regarding my Church and her people are dark, evil, or just plain bad, where did they come frm?

        • jazzpast

          You do what's right in your own eyes. That has nothing to do with reading the Bible. Your a blind idiot. Salvation is to be gained by trust in God through Christ and not by the horned Joseph Smith or any other man, rituals, sacraments or penances of any church. The teachings of the LORD Jesus Christ should be taught out of the Bible. Not Joseph Smith's book of Abraham that was a made-up lie. Your just another deceived mormon CULT member. Your truth is all a lie! Joseph Smith your great prophet and founder was nothing but a criminal and polygamist with at least 27 wives. Some say over 60 wives. He was shot dead jumping out of a jailhouse window to his cell. Joseph Smith was in jail for polygamy. Your fake, fraud of a religion is pure evil and satanic. Your not a Christian period. Your not part of the Judeo-Christian faith if your a mormon. You mormons believe in all kinds of weird things that most Christians do not accept theologically!

        • jazzpast

          JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. GOD WANTS ALL CHRISTIANS TO HATE EVIL! YE THAT LOVE THE LORD, HATE EVIL.. PSALM 97:10 STOP MITT ROMNEY AND HIS SATANIC, OCCULT LDS, MORMON CULT! GOD STOP THIS EVIL MAN MITT ROMNEY!
          http://youtu.be/HQGdiwrua4o

        • A_Nobody

          Do you live out here among them? I consider myself a Christian and do and no, I don't believe in Smith nor Buddha, nor Allah for that matter. From my intimate perspective, your ignorance is obvious....and unChristian. They have the right to believe their way, and I don't see them trying to kill the country as your friend BHO. If their wrong they'll answer for it, not me....or you. So. please get your aprents to explain in depth what Christianity is.

        • jazzpast

          GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST KEEP MITT ROMNEY OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE. STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE FROM PUTTING THIS SATANIC MAN IN OUR WHITE HOUSE.
          http://youtu.be/beNact8-GKU

        • Sherry Mac

          Obama - love him or hate him...do you know him?
          http://2016themovie.com/
          Mormon vs. Islam....hmmm....
          http://thereligionofpeace.com/

        • jazzpast
        • jazzpast

          THE TRUTH ABOUT MITT ROMNEY THE LYING MORMON! LISTEN TO HIS SONG.
          http://youtu.be/kznwIP_clJE

        • noremac

          LOL - Yes, that is what it amounts to if you were not so blind to the real truth....which makes it pathetic..........believing lies is your way of life I guess.

        • jazzpast

          MITT ROMNEY AND HIS SATANIC MORMON CULT
          http://youtu.be/NAm-AxvZTc4

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Hey my brother jazzpast. This is ALOHA from HAWAII. You keep on sounding the ALARM. The Bible said, For many deceivers are entered into the world.

          Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of CHRIST, hath not GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of CHRIST, he hath both the Father and the Son.
          If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
          For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his EVIL deeds. 2 John 1:7-11.

          The Bible also said this:
          To the ONLY WISE GOD OUR SAVIOUR, BE GLORY AND MAJESTY, DOMINION AND POWER, BOTH NOW AND EVER.
          A-MEN.
          Jude 1:25.

          I was a Mormon for 40 long blinded years. Not knowing that the price of my Salvation was already paid for, by the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST.

          And all I had to do, is confess with my mouth the LORD JESUS, and believe in my heart that GOD hath raised JESUS from the dead, And I was saved.

          Because GOD said, for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

          I started weeping. Because, for the first time, some thing happen on the inside of me. It was like I had tap into some thing that was not natural, but it was super-natural. You know what I mean?

          That's when I started reading the B I B L E. And nothing but the BIBLE. And I realize that I can't blame the Mormon church. Because I was BLIND and I allow my self to be DECEIVE.

          Than I read where JESUS said, Take heed that no man DECEIVE you. Boy, was I DECEIVE. Matthew 24:4.

          You be strong in the LORD and the power of HIS Might.

          The Bible said, These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption, of the same is he brought in bondage. 2 Peter 2:17-19.

        • jazzpast

          That's right they are wells without water. Thank You Brother.
          PEACE
          In this world today there is suffering, sorrow and death.
          Because of the fact it has been sown in corruption,
          Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he reap.
          One generation sows, the next generation stimulates
          The desire, and they come to the place generation
          After generation, corruption, corruption
          Util you can't wade through the corruption today,
          But in the midst of all the corruption,
          If you can find Jesus Christ, you will find peace.

        • Sherry Mac
        • CSN

          Morman means More Money...LOL.

        • RescueKyron

          sure, for himself and Mormonism. Got enough of them in Govt. Harry Reid, Orin Hatch are just two, but powerful positions. Why haven't THEY improved our country's finances? MORMONS!

        • elcamino49

          NOt funny !!!!!!!!

        • jazzpast

          ALERT! THE SATANIC MORMON RISING OF MITT ROMNEY THE CULT LEADER!
          http://youtu.be/rm4xH_HZnnI

        • noremac

          Excuse me jazzpast - Check out Obama and who he is......You are not thinking. You are falling right into the hands of Satan. Read your Bible.....and read this above article. How many times did God use those who worshiped false Gods to carry out His purposes in order to further His kingdom. Are you interested in protecting your freedom to worship openly and as you wish, or would you rather forfeit the peace of religious freedom in this country? You have already had a taste of what Obama plans for the church. And it is not moving in the direction of freedom to worship Jesus Christ without consequence.

        • RescueKyron

          Noremac, God never used anyone who worshiped false Gods. He converted those who worshiped false Gods. Read Paul's letters. You must be Mormon trained. Christians would never say that, they know better.

        • noremac

          Just for starters, let's talk about Judas. He was evil and worshiped a god other than Jesus Christ, therefore a false god. God used Judas to accomplish His purposes. God is the God of the universe. He is God of the means and the end. We cannot overlook the fact that God uses means of His choosing to accomplish the end of His choosing. He chooses kings and takes down kings to accomplish His purposes. We have two men running for president, one of whom will come into that office. Neither one of these two men are worshipers of the Biblical God. Anyone who knows their Bible knows that to be true. They are both false god worshipers. You and I can never get away with trying to manipulate God by not voting. You must vote for one of them. Look at these two men and how they measure up to God's clear pattern for daily living. How closely do they honor the precepts and commands of God and lead the people to do the same? Vote for that person.

        • RescueKyron

          First of all, you have been blind-sighted and you cannot count to three.
          That tips your argument lopsided and untrue.

        • noremac

          Sure - okay you want to count to three - face reality - 3 will not do anything but be a spoiler...that is the way it always works....And so who is your co-spoiler....????

          So my argument is "lopsided and untrue". Where is the untruth and lopsided is a matter of which way the side tilts. The fact that you want to count to 3 makes you the tilter, and therefore not me.

        • RescueKyron

          Note correction please to Blind-Sided. You support the control thugs of mainstream media and obediently ignore the Third candidate. It is not a matter of tilting, it is a matter of sinking the Ship of Freedom which Obamacommie is doing and RichieRich will do by abandoning ship turning it over to the neocons again and simply jump into one of his yachts. Translation: Obama is a commie and dances to their orders to destroy USA; Willard will bow to Israel even lower than O did to foreigners and get us into another war for them which will give him even more easy money. Neither of these boys give a bleep about this country or our citizens. Absolute jerks. Their wives are ignoramuses too. Only Ron Paul is a real American and will get us back on keel.

        • RescueKyron

          noremac, btw... Judas was a Jew, raised as one and worshiped as one. Jesus was a Jew and attended and spoke at Temple until his time arrived to begin God's work of salvation. Judas didn't worship a false God, he was given the opportunity as all people are, to accept the arrival of the Messiah and be saved. He CHOSE silver and like most today who choose silver/gold, discover it was a bad choice. God gave us FREEDOM of choice and spread his Message throughout the world to enable people to CHOOSE the Truth. Your perspective is inaccurate.

        • jazzpast

          MITT ROMNEY'S SATANIC CULT IS RACIST
          http://youtu.be/6T2rnXsZu7I

        • NWODB.COM

          Where the spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty - Should we vote for one anti-Christ over another anti-Christ out of fear that we will be persecuted for our faith? According to the Bible persecution in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ would be a great thing.

        • jazzpast

          That's right Brother! And a persecution is pending right now for the Christians in the United States. You don't need to worry about it though Brother. Don't even think of it, let's just go into it with a shout,__let's go into it with joy. When this government steps on us it's going to bring God down to earth. It's going cause God to look out the portholes of heaven. It's going to bring God to earth.

        • noremac

          And that is why we cannot have our current president in office again...Why do you think persecution is pending now? Think about it.....yes, think about it...So do not vote for Romney and persecution will surely come as that day will be hastened..... you will be persecuted Matthew 5:10-11...but you will not endure the wrath of God as the rapture will occur before that happens...are you ready?

        • BIG KAHUNA

          The Virgin Birth of JESUS CHRIST

          One of the great doctrines of the BIBLE, which is uniquely related to the SUPREME earthly manifestation of the ETERNAL GOD, is the doctrine of the VIRGIN BIRTH of JESUS CHRIST.
          In one very real sense, this doctrine is INDISSOLUBLY linked with that of the INCARNATION,being, so to speak, the agency or instrument whereby GOD chose to manifest HIMSELF.
          Time and again the BIBLE reminds us that DEITY was clothed with humanity in the MANGER of BETHLEHEM,and Christians of ALL generations have revered the mystery prefigured by the cryptic words of Isaiah the prophet:

          Behold, a VIRGIN shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name IMMANUEL…For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the Government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE. (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6)

        • BIG KAHUNA

          The apostle Paul refers numerous times to the DEITY of our LORD, declaring that "IN HIM dwelleth ALL the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

          Attempts to minimize the VIRGIN BIRTH of JESUS CHRIST or to do away with it altogether, as some LIBERAL theologians have energetically tried to do, have consistently met with DISASTER. This is TRUE because the simple narratives of this momentous event recorded in Matthew and Luke refuse to surrender to the hindsight reconstruction THEORIES of second-guessing critics.

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Some persons have, on the other hand, decided upon a middle course where this doctrine is concerned. They affirm its biological necessity. In a word, Matthew and Luke, who had access to eyewitness testimonies (Mary, Joseph, Elizabeth, etc.), never really believed the teaching as recorded; rather it was a pious attempt to endow Christ with a supernatural conception in order to add glory to His personality. Regardless of how distasteful the unbiblical concepts of LIBERAL and so-called neoorthodox theologians may be concerning the VIRGIN BIRTH of our SAVIOR, no group has framed a concept of the VIRGIN BIRTH doctrine in the terms employed by the MORMON prophet Brigham Young.

          ~Mormon doctrine concerning the VIRGIN BIRTH of CHRIST was first delivered in the pronouncements of Brigham Young and has been consistently found in the teachings of all General Authorities throughout their history. It has never been contradicted and consequently represents the doctrine of the Mormon Church.~

          Relative to the doctrine of the VIRGIN BIRTH of CHRIST, Brigham Young has unequivocally stated,

        • BIG KAHUNA

          When the VIRGIN Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who was the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle [body], it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve; from the fruits of the earth, the first earthly tabernacles were originated by the Father, and so on in succession… Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. (Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51)

          Now, in order to understand what "prophet" Young was saying, another of his pronouncements found in the same context should be considered;

          When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him… He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. (Ibid.)

        • BIG KAHUNA

          As we have seen in the Mormon doctrine of "God," Mormon theology teaches that POLYTHEISM is the divine order. Belief in many gods is the cornerstone of their theology, and POLYGAMOUS gods they are. Parley P. Pratt, a leading Mormon writer whose books are recommended by Mormon publishing houses as representing their theological views, also writes concerning this doctrine:

          Each of these Gods, including Jesus Christ and his Father, being in possession of not merely an organized spirit but also a glorious immortal body of flesh and bones… (Key to the Science of Theology, ed. 1978, 23)

          Added to this POLYTHEISTIC are other official Mormon sources, many of whom confirm the SEXUAL CONCEPTION of Jesus enunciated by Young and many others. Wrote Apostle James Talmage in The Articles of Faith:

          His [Christ's] unique status in the flesh as the offspring of a mortal mother [Mary] and of an immortal, or resurrected and glorified, Father [Elohim]. (ed. 1974, 473).

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Brigham young, therefore, taught this UNBIBLICAL doctrine of which he spoke openly more than once as the following shows:

          When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle (body), the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. (Journal of Discourses, 4:218)

          The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we are of our father. (Journal of Discourses, 8:115)

          The base POLYTHEISM of Mormonism was never more clearly dissembled than in the foregoing statements, and Young's classification of the Father as a glorified, resurrected "man" cannot be misunderstood. The phase "any other man" rules out the efforts of Mormon apologists to defend Young and unmasks the entire anti-Christian teaching.

          We see, then, the Mormon teaching concerning our Lord's birth is a revolting distortion of the biblical revelation and one that is in keeping with the Mormon dogma of a flesh-and-bone god. In Mormon thinking, as reflected in the authoritative declarations of one of their prophets, our Savior was produced, not by a direct act of the Holy Spirit, but by actual SEXUAL RELATIONS between "an immortal or resurrected and glorified Father" and Mary-a blasphemous view, which takes its place beside the infamous mythology of Greece, wherein the gods fathered human sons through physical union with certain chosen women.

        • RescueKyron

          Thank you, Big Kahuna, for your time and knowledge. You've explained the false prophet Smith and his teachings perfectly. Perhaps this all is happening for a reason. Perhaps God is using the challenge by the Mormons to take over this Christian founded country, in a way to inform Mormon subjects they are being used and abused and their souls are indeed in danger, and that Jesus Christ alone offers salvation from Hell and offers everyone the Truth. Members of Mormonism have not had an opportunity like this to call them to personally examine their Books and Instructions and PURPOSEFULLY READ and STUDY the Holy Bible. Compare. If they do it without an overseer, do it on their own and ask God's guidance, they will run from the terror in store for their souls and become Christians and be saved. The door is open. ESCAPE!

        • BIG KAHUNA

          Well said. My brother. You see. The problem is personal. It's up to an individual to ASK, SEEK, and KNOCK. That's what I did for me and my family. JESUS said, ask, and you WILL receive. Seek, and you WILL find. Knock, and the door WILL be open unto you.

          One day, I said to myself. wait a minute. Everybody cannot be right. All these religions cannot be all right. Because, that's CONFUSION. That's NOT PEACE. They are ALL CONFUSE.

          Than I start reading the BIBLE. Not the book of Mormon or any other book, or books. I read where JESUS said, I AM THE WAY, not one of the way. JESUS said, I AM THE WAY, than JESUS said, I AM THE TRUTH, not one of the truth. But JESUS said, I AM THE TRUTH. Than JESUS said, I AM THE LIFE. Than the next couple of words blew my mind.

          JESUS said, NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME. What blew my mind was that STATEMENT. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me. HE said.

          I read some more. And I found out that HE never mention any thing about any religion or religions. But HE is talking about who HE is. HE IS THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY TRUTH, AND THE ONLY LIFE.

          After that. I said to my family. WE are EXITING this place to day. NOT to morrow. But TO DAY. To day is our day for SALVATION. THE LORD will lead and guide us out of here and into a place where people believe in THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ALONE.

          It's a FREE LIFE..

        • RescueKyron

          Beautiful, Big Kahuna. Truth is beautiful. Jesus is the answer, not a suggestion, not an option. Fantastic to realize the truth. H*ll to belong to the pretenders.

        • Noremac

          Who is talking about fear here? I am talking about being led by the Holy Spirit to work with God and not against Him. Do not try to manipulate God. It will not work.

        • NWODB.COM

          "do not try to manipulate god"? are you god? if the Holy Spirit is calling you to vote for an anti-christ its not the Holy Spirit you are hearing I assure you that... unless that is if God has given you over to a reprobate mind.

        • noremac

          Again - do not forget - God chooses the means to get to His end result....Just as He chose Judas who, was anti-christ, to accomplish His purposes....Did God know what He was doing when He used the evil brothers of Joseph to leave him in the pit? You see, God uses those who are not His to accomplish His purposes...According to what you say, you could very seldom vote, because anyone who does not acknowledge Christ as the only way to God is anti-christ. Romney is no more anti-christ than Obama. With Obama, the deceit is even worse. He says he is a Christian, but has not a clue, according to what he has told his daughter, what will happen to him when he dies. He would not let Franklin Graham take part in the National Day of Prayer last year and as a matter of fact, distanced himself from it as well. In one speech he picked passages from the Bible, taking them out of context and said he did not want to believe in such. Yet, he quotes fondly from the Quoran (sp). You will be judged as you judge...I know who I am and God knows my heart...and do not forget, He knows yours as well....To ask me "are you (g)od?" is disrespectful to The God of creation who is the decider of my destiny. I do not believe you understand what "anti-christ" means and because of that, you do not realize your manipulative actions.

        • NWODB.COM

          No I can always vote because there is always a real Christian running for office - that has been washed by the lamb. You keep saying God uses evil people which is true, but he uses them to punish his people. Did the Jews vote for Nebuchadnezzar? did the Jews vote for Pharaoh of Exodus? - NO. Give me a name of one evil person in the Bible that either the Jews or Christians THEMSELVES put into power. To sit and say it is Gods will for use to vote for Romney is blasphemous. Was he holding a Gun to Grahams head? which would not have mattered he should have done prayed anyway it is the greatest glory to be persecuted for the Lord Jesus Christ. I know exactly what an anti-christ is. it is defined in 2nd John there is only one chapter so you should read it - anyone who comes not with the doctrine of Jesus Christ is an anti-Christ. Mormons and what ever Obama believes in is are both equally anti-Christ. You were the one that says you are god - i was quoting you.

        • Tex

          Are you playing games? Telling others not to vote for Romney is a suttle way to garner votes for your candidate Osama Bama? Come out of the closet and openly support Obama don't do it by saying you won't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon so vote for the Muslim then a terrorist sympathizer

        • NWODB.COM

          No sir, you are playing the game it is called the left right game, my comments have clearly shown I would not vote for either. Obama is a communist that will bow down to any idol, any royalty, or false god to get elected. Romney thinks he is going to be a god when he dies (other than that I do not see any difference between the two). How is it Biblical to vote for either anti-Christ? How is one anti-Christ religion better than another? If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are going to Hell - and as far as I can tell both Romney and Obama are on that wide path to destruction. I will be voting for the Constitution party candidate whom is a Christian - not for a hell bound Mormon or a hell bound Muslim (or what ever Obama believes in, personally I think he is just a high level follower of the Mystery Schools seeing that during the last election he carried around idols of the virgin Mary and the Hindu monkey god in his pocket). I think you need to look up who funded Al-Qaeda and radical extremists during the cold war - that would be the CIA. I hope you get Romney and then you wake the heck up when 4 years goes by and we sill have this stupid eugenics health care bill we call ObamaCare.

        • NWODB.COM

          here is a good free full length film exposing Obama, and the left right game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

        • RescueKyron

          Tex, Are you intimidating and fear mongering? Are you really a Texan or is that just a moniker? Texas has produced a wonderful reliable Congressman, an Air Force Veteran, loyal and loving husband of one wife, children, grandchildren, relative, friend, an OBGYN who brought 4,000 little Americans into this country, and is a Christian. Clearly the controllers of Obama also control the Media, the Debate Hosts, and obviously got their stranglehold on the GOP and clobbered Ron Paul with everything they could get away with. Likely they threatened him like they did Perot. Ron Paul still stands through their OBVIOUS onslaught. How do you like that, Tex? Americans will not vote for the commie, and they will NOT vote for the Mormon. Thankfully we will vote for the American lover of our country, our founders, our Constitution and documents, and of Americans. He will NOT take your children to battlefields to be slaughtered for any other country that goads us. Willing Willard rushed to Israel and gave them the ticket to get US jews to vote for him.. that they can dump Tel Aviv as their capital and go take over the Holy City of Jerusalem and ignore the fact that it was declared an INTERNATIONAL city because Christians, Jews, and Muslims have their Holy Sites there. NOT GOOD ENOUGH! They want it ALLL because it is THEIRS!! Because God gave it to them!! Nah, not to Zionists. Jews are welcome as well as the other religions in Jerusalem and that's how it must stay. Romney bent over farther than Obama ever did for a foreign power and we don't like either posture. OUT OF OUR WAY, BOTH JERKS.

        • RescueKyron

          Amen, NWODB. Praying that Christian comments will get through the deceit of Smith and free the prisoners. They must find how they are being fed more of Jones' Kool Aid and like those "followers" (prisoners) are willingly drinking it unto their own spiritual deaths. This is serious business. We do not want a cult member in our Christian land's presidency. We surely have learned how stupid we have been to show acceptance without question without full knowledge of O's history, background, finances, etc. We CANNOT AFFORD to do that again, we cannot afford to ignore CHRIST in choosing our next President. BEWARE, if you think we are in trouble now, you have a lot to learn by extending this Commie's power over us, or by setting a non-CHRISTIAN in the seat of power of our Christian country. CHRISTIANS!! You are the decisionmakers now, do well by your very souls.

        • NWODB.COM

          thank you for the kind words friend. unfortunately no one studies the Bible or they would know that God will save us if and only if we repent as a nation. Putting our faith in some man (one that thinks he is going to be a god when he dies at that) is not repentance. I just pray that when these people get what they want - an anti-Christ with Christian values in office (what an oxymoron) and he does not repeal Obamacare they will wake the heck up and repent. The Republican party is garbage - we need to be supporting a Christian 3rd party like the Constitution party. Jesus once said you do not put new wine into old wine skins - it's time to throw the rotten Republican party out.

        • RescueKyron

          The Dem party is the Commie party now. Watched some on tv today, like ol' Howard Dean the Comedian trying to act serious and smart but couldn't hold it long and always looked like he was holding back stupid laughter. They never know when to exit... or maybe not enough candidates to replace them? Republican party clearly destroyed and proven by watching the Debates and the voting sessions with the groups electing candidate preference. Big fights preventing Ron Paul's supporters. Yes, time for another Party.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Corrections, Contradictions, and Errors

          There is a great wealth of information concerning the material contained in The Book of Mormon and the various plagiarisms, anachronisms, false prophecies, and other unfortunate practices connected with it. At best we can give but a condensation of that which has been most thoroughly documented.

          Since the publication of The Book of Mormon in 1830, the first edition has undergone extensive "corrections" in order to present it in its current form. Some of these "corrections" should be noted.

          ~The former major revision of The Book of Mormon was in 1920. That standard edition is still found in many public libraries and in millions of homes. In the latest revision, 1981, a subtitle was added to the cover: "Another Testament of Jesus Christ," and no less than one hundred verses were changed without consulting the missing golden plates.

          A note closing the introduction to the 1981 edition says, "Some minor errors in the text have been perpetuated in past editions of The Book of Mormon. This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the prophet Joseph Smith."

          Without blushing, the Mormon Church boldly asserts the unfounded claim that the prepublication manuscripts agree with their most recent changes. Our access to the handwritten copies of the original Book of Mormon deny such a claim and proves once again that the Mormon Church will sacrifice truth for the sake of public relations.~

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          (1). In Mosiah 21:28, it is declared that "King Mosiah had a gift from God"; but in the original edition of the book, the name of the king was BENJAMIN-an oversight that thoughtful Mormon scribes corrected. This is not, of course, a typographical error, as there is little resemblance between the names BENJAMIN and MOSIAH; rather, it appears that either God made a MISTAKE when He inspired the record, or Joseph made a mistake when he translated it. But the Mormons will admit to neither, so they are stuck, so to speak, with the CONTRADICTION.

          (2). When compared with the 1830 edition, 1 Nephi 19:16-20 reveals more than twenty changes in the "inspired Book of Mormon," words having been dropped, spelling corrected, and words and phraseology added and turned about. This is a strange way to treat an inspired revelation from God.

          (3). In Alma 28:14-29:11, more than eighteen changes may be counted from the original edition. On page 303 the phrase, "Yea, decree unto them that decrees which are unalterable," was dropped in later editions, but strangely reappeared in 1981. (See Alma 29:4.)

          (4). On page 25 of the 1830 edition, The Book of Mormon declares "And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the son of the eternal Father."
          Yet in 1 Nephi 11:21, the later editions of the book read: "And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea even the son of the eternal Father."

          (5). The Roman Catholic Church should be delighted with page 25 of the original edition of The Book of Mormon, which confirms one of their dogmas, namely, that Mary is the mother of God.
          "Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of God."
          Noting this unfortunate lapse into Romanistic theology, Joseph Smith and his considerate editors changed 1 Nephi 11:18 (as well as 1 Nephi 11:21, 32; 13:40), so that it now reads:
          "Behold, the virgin whom thou seest, is the mother of the Son of God."
          From the above, which are only a handful of examples from the approximately four thousand word changes to be found in The Book of Mormon, the reader can readily see that it in no sense can be accepted as the Word of God. The Scripture says, "The word of the Lord endureth for ever" (1Peter 1:25); and our Savior declared, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (John 17:17).

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          The record of the Scriptures rings true. The Book of Mormon, on the other hand, is patently FALSE in far too many instances to be considered coincidence.
          Added to the evidence of various revisions, The Book also contains PLAGIARISMS from the King James Bible, ANACHRONISMS, FALSE PROPHECIES, and ERRORS of FACT that cannot be dismissed. Some of these bear repetition, though they are well known to students of Mormonism.

        • Sherry Mac

          This explains all http://2016themovie.com/

        • jazzpast

          MITT ROMNEY'S EVIL MORMON RITUALS! WOW, THIS IS HORRIBLE! THIS IS PURE MORMON EVIL! MY GOD!
          http://youtu.be/KzjLOMrcpH0

        • RescueKyron

          Mormonism is a cult. Scary.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          YES, RescueKyron. Mormonism is not only a CULT. It is one of the MOST dangerous CULT, born in this side of HELL.

          Archaeological Evidence

          The Book of Mormon purports to portray the rise and development of two great civilization. As to just how great these civilizations were, some excerpts from the book itself adequately illustrate.

          "The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous almost, as it were the sand of the sea" (Mormon 1:7).

          "… fine workmanship of wood, in buildings, and in machinery, and also in iron and copper, and brass and steel, making all manners of tools" (Jarom 1:8; 2 Nephi 5:15).

          "…grain … silks … cattle … oxen … cows … sheep … swine … goats … horses … asses … elephants … " (see Ether 9:17-19). "…did multiply and spread … began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea south to the sea north, from the sea west to the sea east" (Heleman 3:8).

          "…had been slain … nearly two million [Jaredites]" (see Ether 15:2).
          "…their shipping and their building of ships, and their building of temples, and of synagogues and their sanctuaries" (Heleman 3:14. See also 2 Nephi 5:15-16; Alma 16:13). "… there were ten more who did fall … with their ten thousand each" (see Mormon 6:10-15).

          "… swords … cimeters … breastplates … arm-shields … shields … headplates … armor" (see Alma 43:18-19; 3:5; Ether 15:15).
          "… multiplied exceedingly, and spread upon the face of the land, and became exceeding rich" (Jarom 1:8). See 3 Nephi 8:9-10, 14; 9:4-6, 8: where cities and inhabitants were sunk in the depths of the sea and earth.

          In addition to the foregoing statements from The Book of Mormon, which indicate the tremendous spread of the cultures of these races, there are numerous cities catalogued in The Book of Mormon, evidence that these were indeed mighty civilizations, which should, by all the laws of archaeological research into the culture of antiquity, have left fast amounts of "finds" to be evaluated. But such is not the case as we shall show.

          The Mormons have yet to explain the fact that leading archaeological researchers not only have repudiated the claims of The Book of Mormon as to the existence of these civilizations, but have adduced considerable evidence to show the IMPOSSIBILITY of the accounts given in the Mormon Bible.

          The following letter was addressed to the Rev. R. Odell Brown, pastor of the Hillcrest Methodist Church, Fredericksburg, Virginia, an ardent student of Mormonism and its claims. Dr. Brown, in the course of his research, wrote to the Department of Anthropology at Columbia University in New York City. The answer he received is of great importance in establishing the fact that The Book of Mormon is neither accurate nor truthful where the sciences of archaeology and anthropology are concerned.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          The letter

          Dear Sir:
          Pardon my delay in answering your letter of January 14, 1957. The question which you ask concerning the Book of Mormon is one that comes u quite frequently….However….I may say that I do not believe that there is a single thing of value concerning the prehistory of the American Indian in the Book of Mormon and I believe that the great majority of American archaeologists would agree with me.

          THE book is UNTRUE biblically, historically, and scientifically.

          Concerning Dr. Charles Anthon of Columbia University, I do not know who he is and would certainly differ with his viewpoint, as the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) tell it. What possible bearing Egyptian hieroglyphics would have on either the Book of Mormon or the prehistory of the American Indian I do not know…. I am,

          Very sincerely yours,
          Wm. Duncan Strong [Signed]

        • elcamino49

          MORMONISM IS NOT A CULT. MAN YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID

        • BIG KAHUNA from HAWAII

          OH. And you are the smart one. Right? Since you are so smart. Than tell me, Where are the ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of the two great civilizations that the book of Mormon claim?

          Tell us. Mr. DUMP-ASS.

          Where are the ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of these two great civilizations that the book of Mormon claim.

          What happen to these two great civilizations?

          The Mormons have yet to EXPLAIN the fact that LEADING ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCHERS not only have repudiated the claims of The Book of Mormon as to the EXISTENCE OF THESE CIVILIZATIONS, but have adduced considerable EVIDENCE TO SHOW THE "(IMPOSSIBILITY)" of the accounts given in the Mormon bible.

          Can you read, Mr. Smart guy?

          "(IMPOSSIBILITY)"

          In other words, The book is (UNTRUE) biblically, historically, and scientifically.

          Another word. IT'S A LIE. I'm been real nice.

          I'm an ex-Mormon. For 40 years. Came out of the CULT 25 years ago, with ALL of my families. WE ARE FREE IN DEE.
          THANK YOU JESUS, for your HOLY SPIRIT and for your WORD. And for those that had love me and my family enough to show me THE TRUTH.

          I memorize the book of Mormon.

        • mojo

          You haven't read the Bible very well, have you? Mitt is an honorable man. He's so very much better than what is in there now. Do you really think a 3rd party could win? I think not. That would just insure a win for Obama. And then "GOD HELP US."

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Hey mojo.
          A person may be ethically and morally "good" by human standards, but if he sets his face against JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOR, and rejects HIM, his fruit is corrupt, and he is to be rejected as counterfeit.

          You can't lift one man up so high, and put the other man down so low. Because, the Bible said;

          What then? Is Mitt Romney better than Obama? NO, in no wise: for both men are under sin;

          As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE:

          THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD.

          THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE.

          THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN SEPULCHRE; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE USED DECEIT; THE POISON OS ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS:

          WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS:

          THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD:

          DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS:

          AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN:

          THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.

          FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD: Romans 3: 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,23.

          Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by FAITH without the deeds of the law.

        • elcamino49

          And where is your proof? You don't have any, because you are repeating something that you heard someone else say that didn't know the truth. Stop being so stupid and educate yourself about something before you open your hate , and lies filled mouth.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          The proof is THE WORD OF GOD. NOT the book of Mormon. my fellow American.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          You see. THE TRUTH HURTS. I know. I've been their. But hold on. The TRUTH will set you FREE. JESUS said that. Not the Mormon bible.

          The Bible said, NOT the book of Mormon. The Bible said, The fear of the LORD is the beginning of KNOWLEDGE: but FOOLS despise WISDOM and INSTRUCTION.

          Fearing the LORD, Solomon wrote, is the beginning of Knowledge. The fear of the LORD occurs 11 times in Proverbs (and "fear the LORD" occurs 4 times).

          "Beginning" is the HEBREW word resit which means "the start." One cannot gain KNOWLEDGE of spiritual things if he begins at the wrong point, refusing to fear the LORD (i.e., to recognize GOD'S character and respond by revering, trusting, worshiping, obeying, and serving HIM).

          Re sit also means the capstone or essence. The essence of true knowledge is fearing GOD. Apart from HIM a person is ignorant of spiritual things (Romans 1:22; Ephesians 4:18; 1 Peter 1:14).

          In contrast with those who fear GOD and have knowledge, (This is where you come in), FOOLS despise wisdom and discipline. "Despise" translates the HEBREW buz, "to hold in contempt, to belittle, to ridicule"

          There are Three HEBREW words are translated "FOOL" in Proverbs.

          (1). One kind of FOOL (k sil) is characterized by a dull mind. He is thickheaded and stubborn. This word occurs more frequently in Proverbs than the other two words; it is used 49 times in this book. This kind of FOOL rejects information from others.

          (2). Another word for FOOL is (nabal). It is used only three times in Proverbs and refers to one who lacks SPIRITUAL perception.

          (3). A third kind of FOOL (ewil) is arrogant andd flippant as well as mentally dull. He is coarse and hardened in his ways. This word is used 19 times in Proverbs and only 7 times elsewhere.

          The "FOOLS" in 1:7 are those who in their arrogant, coarse ways REJECT GOD and WISDOM.

          My question is. Which one do you fit in?

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Anachronisms and Contradictions

          Not only does the book of Mormon plagiarize heavily from the King James Bible, but it betrays a GREAT LACK OF INFORMATION and BACKGROUND on the subject of WORLD HISTORY and the HISTORY of the JEWISH PEOPLE.

          The Jaredites apparently enjoyed glass windows in the miraculous barges in which they crossed the ocean, and "steel" and a "compass" were known to Nephi despite the FACT THAT NEITHER HAD BEEN INVENTED.

          ~Although the Book of Mormon does NOT use the word glass in (Ether 2:23, it does say, "Ye cannot have windows, for they will be dashed in pieces," clearly emphasizing the fragile nature of the window material.

          Three verses later, the word glass is actually used: "molten rock … white and clear, even as transparent as glass," so the context plainly speaks of glass as we know it today-the implication being that Jared was familiar enough with glass to make a comparison with it.~

          This demonstrates once again that the DECEIVER, Joseph Smith was a POOR STUDENT OF HISTORY AND OF (HEBREW) customs.

          Laban, mentioned as one of the characters of The Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 4:9), makes use of a steel sword; and Nephi himself claims to have had a steel bow.

          The ancient Jaredites also had steel swords (Ether 7:9). The Mormons justify this by quoting PSALM 18:34 as a footnote to 1 Nephi 16:18 in The Book of Mormon, but modern translations of the Scriptures indicate that the word translated steel in the Old Testament (since steel WAS NONEXISTENT) is more properly rendered BRONZE.

          Nahum 2:3, NASB, uses "steel," but it is taken from the (HEBREW) word PALADAH, probably meaning IRON.

          These are all in the book of Mormon. That, IF you can read. It's history. Now, if you can't read. Than that's some thing totally different of it self. But hold on. THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU AND ALL YOUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS FREE.

          IT DID ME AND MY FAMILM.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          ~William Hanmblin, in his preliminary report entitled Handheld Weapons in the Book of Mormon (1985), published by the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (F.A.R.M.S.), uses the bronze argument as a possible justification for the rendering of steel in The Book of Mormon.

          He writes, "Another possibility is to equate this Jaredite steel with the 'steel' of the King James translation of the Old Testament, which actually refers to the HEBREW word for bronze."

          The problem with using this explanation to protect The Book of Mormon is that it DEFIES Mormon history. Numerous contemporaries of Joseph Smith have claimed that Smith could not continue "translating" the gold plates unless the scribe read each word back to him correctly.

          If the word steel in The Book of Mormon should really have been bronze, it undermines the LDS claim that the book was translated by the gift and power of God, since it shows that ERRORS crept into Joseph Smith's translation.~

          Mormons sometimes attempt to defend Nephi's possession of a NOT YET INVENTED COMPASS (known in The Book of Mormon as a Liahona) by the fact that Acts 28:13 states, "And from thence we fetched a compass." Modern translations of the Scripture, however, refute this subterfuge by correctly rendering the passage:

          "And from there we made a circle."

          Added to the preceding anachronisms is the fact that The Book of Mormon not only contradicts the Bible, but contradicts other revelations purporting to come from the same God who inspired The Book of Mormon.

          The Bible declares that the Messiah of Israel was to be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), and the gospel of Matthew (chapter 2, v. 1) records the fulfillment of this prophecy. But The Book of Mormon (Alma 7:9, 10) states,

          "…the son of God cometh upon the face of the earth. And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem, which is the land of our forefathers…"

          The Book of Mormon describes Jerusalem as a city (1 Nephi 1:4), as was Bethlehem described as a separate town in the Bible.

          The CONTRADICTION IS IRRECONCILABLE.

        • Sherry Mac

          Want to see some real horror? Check out the religion of peace that the current POTUS bows down to...
          http://thereligionofpeace.com/

        • BIG KAHUNA

          NO Mormon can today claim that he or she has eternal LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS. This is the very POWER of the GOSPEL which is entrusted to JESUS Church (Romans 1:16-17). Let us therefore use it in an attempt to bring them to redemptive knowledge of the TRUE CHRIST of Scripture and the costly salvation HE purchased for us with HIS own BLOOD.

        • elcamino49

          Just what is your problem jasspast? you are soooo full of hate, and towars something that you don't know anything about. You are a sad man

        • jazzpast

          Here is how I sum up Mitt Romney's foreign policy. Outsourcing our jobs to China, stashing his cash in the Caymans, and draft dodging Vietnam.

        • elcamino49

          Looks like you along with a few other million Idiots are going to be standing there on November 7, with egg on your faces, cause Romney will win by a Landslide. Count on it

        • jazzpast

          Romney doesn't have a chance! Obama is leading in every state. In fact Obama is up in the polls at 53%

        • jazzpast

          GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST KEEP MITT ROMNEY OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE. GOD WANTS ALL CHRISTIANS TO HATE EVIL. YE THAT LOVE THE LORD, HATE EVIL..PSALM 97;10 MITT ROMNEY IS AN EVIL SATANIC CULT LEADER KEEP HIM OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE.

        • JobRon

          Jazzpast: you would rather have a marksist, muslim in the WH. As far as NoBama goes: if he were to go into an automobile garage, would that make him an automobile? Remember, he attended a "Christian" church for 20 years hearing "G.D. America. Is that what you want someone who believes G. D. America, or someone who actually believes IN America, and has all of his life? As Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty, or give me death." Your choice Jazzpast!

        • jazzpast

          You never heard me support Barack Obama your a liar. I'm not voting for RINO Romney who's worse than Obama either.

        • jazzpast

          Romney and Obama are both Marxist/Hitler era Socialists.

        • LeSellers

          C'mon, New Mexican.

          It's MormOn: two O's, no A's.

          But you're right: better an USmerican Christian like Romney than a Communist Muslim like O'bama.

        • RescueKyron

          C'mon, LeSellers. Mormons are NOT Christians.

        • LeSellers

          Latter-day Saints are not YOUR kind of Christan, and we are grateful for that.

          Now I am going to apply my father's wise counsel: Never argue with an idiot because, after a while, observers won't be able to tell the difference. One other piece of wise advice, this one from a Jewish sage: one (or two, in this case) fools can ask more questions than ten wise men can answer.

          I bid you good day and wish you well.

        • elcamino49

          No, LeSellers is totally correct. Mormons are as christian as any other christian religion. They use the same bible, believe in the same god, ect. Do I go on? Check it out and stop believing lies and misquotes.

        • RescueKyron

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_God
          follow links in this site and others to learn that Mormons believe God the Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are each Gods in a Council of God. They teach that God the Father came to earth and impregnated Mary.

      • jazzpast

        A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN!

        • Ima Christian

          To not vote for Romney is to vote one's self into slavery under a self appointed king and an overwhelmingly large government to lord over and control its slaves!

        • ANMoore

          jazzpast is a troll and a liberal plant. Sorry jazzpast, you've been found out. Your ridiculous rants are not changing any minds here.

        • RescueKyron

          If you were a Christian you would not make that statement. Jesus was condemned and crucified by those who would not change their hearts or minds, but preferred falsely accusing and crucifying the Truth.

      • jazzpast

        Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes for ten years. The government should force Mitt PHONEY to prove he paid his taxes. What do you expect from a Godless LDS mormon CULT leader.

        • bren

          When bho shows his proof we'll showours. Not a nano- second before. Bho show school records , real birth cirtificate , and everything else needed concerning the vetting of bho , we will " CONSIDER" showing what ever you want to see concerning vetting of Romney.

        • ANMoore

          jazzpast is NOT a Christian. He is a pretender. He is probably paid to post his thoughts by liberals, and I'll tell you why I think this is true.

          Our president is supposed to be a leader of a country. He is not your minister, priest, of spiritual counselor. What is faith is is not as important as if he is a moral and truthful person. You can be those things without being a certain faith..

          We are in a battle for the survival of our country. If you were a soldier on the battlefield, you would NOT stop and ask your commander what his religion is before choosing to follow him. At the moment, we are fighting to preserve our country. The struggle over souls should not enter this arena.

        • noremac

          You know what - ANMoore - I was just beginning to come to the same conclusion. And in fact I am wondering if jazzpast is Satan himself.....In my spirit I am being warned. Satan is attacking here because he knows who he wants in the White House and it is not Romney.....

        • JimRed

          When Obama unseals all of his records, Romney should show his lifetime tax returns. The only reason you people want the disclosure is that he's EARNED a lot of money, and you hope that jealousy among those who didn't EARN as much will result in votes for your "Messiah".

        • mojo

          LIKE I SAID...YOU ARE AN IDIOT. YOU BELIEVE THE LIBERAL LIES. YOU ARE AN OBAMA SUPPORTER. RIGHT? MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SORRY SOUL.

      • jazzpast

        A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN!

        • jwright673

          jazzpast, you are one sick individual. Have you ever considered voting for the man/woman, not his/her religion? Contrary to liberal belief, obama cannot part the water, heal the sick, nor raise the dead. He might be a good snake oil salesman, but as a president, he goes over the top of the suckmeter.

        • RescueKyron

          Feverishly treading and trying to swim out of this sick, polluted swirling society and climbing over a wall into the same water will only destroy the will to swim again. Voting for WillingWillardTheWimp is the same as jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE!!! Shock the GOP that is controlled by the same controllers of the Obama Administration. Show them all that WE THE PEOPLE will chose our President, not them, not the Mainstream Media, not the "endorsers" or anyone else. WE THE PEOPLE. Speak up for Ron Paul and SAVE our Country. F I G H T.

      • jazzpast

        Mitt Romney's Satanic mormon CULT!
        http://youtu.be/NAm-AxvZTc4

        • noremac

          Jazzpast - Get our own Satanic self under the spirit of God/Jesus/Holy Spirit - You are in trouble - We all know that Momonism is a cult. Your continuous rants here betray you as one who also has no knowledge of what Truth is.....Which means you are in the same state of lostness as any Mormon. So why should anyone listen to you????

        • RescueKyron

          Christians must share the Truth, which is Christ. John The Baptist worked for the Truth, the Disciples and Christians from then on have worked for the Truth. Obliged to help people who are Lost find The Way. It is not an easy project. Devils fight to hold on to souls of cultists and those who deny Christ. There IS a way to stay out of Hell. The Cross is the direction sign, Christ is The Way.

      • jazzpast

        A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN

      • http://www.facebook.com/sharry.bergman Sharry Bergman

        I'll say "Amen" to that

    • Bigjer

      Great statement SallyE

      • Chris

        Wow - we have a dufus fest.

    • Steve

      Too bad the Mormon is a moron.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMKWDRN2OR2EHWPZZKV3VQFTEI May

        No, the Communist Muslim is the moron. Go find those 7 missing states with him, and do not return until you find them. The mormon is a man of good character. You are trying to listen to the garbage the leftist media is cramming down your throat and you are buying it.

        • jazzpast

          MITT ROMNEY IS AN LDS, MORMON CULT LEADER FOR SATAN!

        • mojo

          now that's a good one. I agree with you.

        • RescueKyron

          We would like to know his IQ, we would like to know his financial sources, we would like to know his university grades, thesis' financial aid category. We would like to know everything he sealed against public access. Of course he is a commie, he can't seal that from public knowledge. How DARE the Mormon do the same with his taxes after being accused of deceit in his Filings!!!!! It is actually NONE OF HIS BUSINESS what O hid or didn't hide in this instance. Americans are going to take care of Obama's lies and we do not like for WillingWillardTheWimp to point at Obama and cry Well, He Did It First, Momma! Good Heaven, any parent of a few kids knows what to tell the kid who does something wrong then tries to excuse his behavior by pointing to a sibling's behavior. Good GRIEF, aren't there any PARENTS out there that can react to this or are only WillingWillard's CultCrew working on this??? GOOD GRIEF!!! SHAME SHAME SHAME on kneeshorts lollypop propellercap spoiled brat Willard.

      • jazzpast

        Words that describe Mitt Romney FAKE, RINO, ESTABLISHMENT, ELITIST, FLIP-FLOPPING, PHONEY, POSER, SOCIALIST, NAZI, FASCIST, ROMNEYCARE, NO BALLS, GUN CONTROL, PRO-GAY, PRO-ABORTION, LIAR, GLOBAL WARMING, FRAUD, BIG BUSINESS, BIG GOVERNMENT, TYRANNY, MARXIST, HITLER ERA SOCIALIST, MITT ROMNEY STANDS FOR NOTHING.

        • bren

          Democraps only wish thatwere the case.

        • r

          You know, your picture looks like Adolf Hitler in his younger days....

        • RescueKyron

          Add WindSockWillard

    • jazzpast

      Mitt Romney isn't a Republican or conservative and he isn't a Christian! He sure won't beat Obama. Mitt Romney is nothing but a plastic man with strings to pull! Mitt Romney is a TAR BUCKET! And he is BORING! Mitt Romney will use the Global warming HOAX to RESTRICT and REGULATE everything in the United States through the EPA! ROMNEYCARE is big government Socialism! Mitt Romney's mandate was unconstitutional!

    • jazzpast

      GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST KEEP MITT ROMNEY OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE. GOD WANTS ALL CHRISTIANS TO HATE EVIL. YE THAT LOVE THE LORD, HATE EVIL..PSALM 97:10 MITT ROMNEY IS A EVIL LDS MORMON CULT LEADER. A SATANIC CULT LEADER. GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST KEEP HIM OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE. STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE.
      http://youtu.be/HQGdiwrua4o

    • jazzpast

      PEOPLE SUPPORTING MITT ROMNEY ARE CULT MEMBERS AND FAKE REPUBLICANS.
      http://youtu.be/beNact8-GKU

    • TLady62

      Me too. I've prayed about this and made my peace with God on this issue. Another Obama term is the end of America as we know it. And definitely not for the better, either.

    • ALOHA from HAWAII

      ~Racism is a charge that has been leveled at the Mormon Church throughout its history by a number of civil rights groups.
      Naturally, Mormons reject such claims by pointing to a small number of African-American and Native-American members.

      The fact remains, however, that the "god" of Mormonism elevates "white" races as supreme and has demeaned African-Americans and Native-Americans as "UNRIGHTEOUS" The Book of Mormon describes the Native-American CURSE as "They were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome; that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them" (2 Nephi 5:21).
      Post-1981 editions of The Book of Mormon have deleted the strength of the racist overtones by CHANGING the word WHITE, in the original 1830 Book of Mormon, to PURE, (cf. 2 Nephi 30:6).

      The racism concerning African-Americans surfaces in The Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses (7:8-12) and Book of Abraham (1:24), but is greatly amplified by Brigham Young's degrading comments found in the Journal of Discourses (7:290; 10:110).

      The Journal of Discourses is a twenty-six-volume collection of sermons of early Mormon authorities, still published today by the Church's Deseret Publishing Company. The preface to various volumes written by Brigham Young (1:v), Orson Pratt (3:iii), George Q. Cannon (8:iii), Brigham Young Jr. (11:iii), and Joseph F. Smith (18:iii) harmoniously agree that these volumes are authoritative for Latter-day-Saints.~

      • ALOHA from HAWAII

        JESUS said, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU. Deception is SATAN'S greatest weapon. The problem is, no one want's to admit that they have been DECEIVE by the DEVIL himself. We all been their. The worst part is that their families are SUFFERED and heading for HELL.

        The Bible said, to REJECT such people, for they are HERETICK. The Bible said, after the first and second admonition reject;
        Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    • BIG KAHUNA from HAWAII

      That's find SallyE. I don't like Obama either. But changing President's is NOT the answer either. Because Mr. Romney is no better than Mr. Obama.

      Why?

      Because, The Bible said, FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, Mitt Romney and Obama are the same as far as THE TRUE AND THE LIVING GOD IS CONCERN.

      Romans 3:10.
      As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT, ONE:

      Romans 3:11.
      THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD:

      Romans 3:12.
      THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT, ONE.

      Romans 3:13.
      THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN SEPULCHRE; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE USED DECEIT; THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS:

      Romans 3:14.
      WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS:

      Romans 3:15.
      THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD:

      Romans 3:16.
      DESTRUCTION ANDD MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS:

      Romans 3:17.
      AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN:

      Romans 3:18.
      THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.

      Romans 3:23.
      FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD;

      Romans 3:24.
      Being justified freely by HIS grace through the redemption that is IN CHRIST JESUS:

      NOT in the Mormon Church and it's so call prophet or prophets.

      IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Warren-Reynolds/1179441694 Warren Reynolds

    Gee, i don't know, would i rather vote for a good successful Morman? Or a marxist anti Christain,,,, I'll take Romney any day, in fact, i would vote for an empty coke can if it were runnng against obam.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      And that's exactly what the Gop will continue to give us as long a people continue to vote for whatever RINO they prop up.... Empty coke cans.... No substance.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        Warning: Above is a liberal nut bagging troll spewing hate and nonsense.

        • RobfromVA

          No, he is exactly correct. If we continue to vote to the middle, we slowly go left. Think of it as a tug of war. When you start out next to the center line, you easily get pulled across the line and lose bit by bit!

        • Pat

          I will tell you that you had better vote for Romney if you don't want Obama to get re-elected. God Help Us!!! A vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          so be it then...next time you nutbags will try to nominate a true conservative or face losing every time

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Thompson/100000062046031 Diane Thompson

          Paul bot??? That's why you are purposely trying to tell Christians that Romney is bad. Sheesh, lady, you need some serious psychiatric help! Nobama has almost destroyed America and if given another term, he'll finish the job! Don't be so damned obsessed with if he is Conservative or not - time is of the essence!!! Ron Paul needs to "call of his hounds."

        • Edward53

          It seems like you are over looking yourself and other Paulbots when you call other people nutbags. You idiots are as about loony and kooky as one can get.

        • P5Driver

          Vote 'left' and you'll get left faster and more painfully. Vote Paul and you'll be heading left.

        • Edward53

          You are absolutely right, P5Driver. Paul claims to be Conservative but he's not. He has fooled all of his supporters.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          Yes voting 100% WITH THE CONSTITUTION for 3 decades sure fooled me !

        • Edward53

          30 years in office and has never accomplished one damned thing except showing the world that he is an anti-semite who doesn't like Israel or the Jews. But, of course, he praises the murderous Palestinians and is supported by terrorist organizations like CAIR, Hamas, Hezbollah, StormFront and white supremacists groups like the skinheads and other haters. He sure hasn't fooled me. If he doesn't support the terrorists then why does he take their blood money for his failed campaign?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          exactly....each successive GOP candidate is more progressive than the last

        • Linda

          What is this about slowly going left? With Obama we are going far, far, far, far, left at warp speed, faster than the speed of light.I don't like left...at all. I don't want to go there. If it takes a tug of war to keep us at an equilibrium , more is the better.

        • AnsonMac

          But we have been goling right for 20+ years

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          I'm not a liberal and I'm not voting for him because Romney IS ONE

        • Ariviste

          And I guess Obama isn't one? You're beyond help.

        • Edward53

          If you aren't a Liberal then why are you voting for Ron Paul? He's as Liberal as Obama.

      • Pebbles

        And Obama has substance???? That is incorrect. He is substancially lacking in substance and has proven it for 3 & 1/2 years.

      • Edward53

        And who do you support...Ron Paul? He's farther to the left than Romney is.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          no, much farther RIGHT than Romney
          Romney is UNCONSTITUTIONAL....Paul is not

      • Ariviste

        We still have to consider the alternative. The alternative is destruction of our country. I wouldn't want that on my conscience. Maybe Romney will turn out to be an empty coke can. We know what kind of container Obama is. How can anyone support such a dishonest liar.

      • Linda

        There is a lot of substance to Romney, good family man, good businessman, good governor. Plenty of years of work experience...How is that empty? How does he stack up against a man who has no work experience, never run a business, No value for human life...believes in partial birth abortion. .never ran anything. Not even a real lawyer..just a community organizer. All talk and no substance. Who is the empty soda can? No aluminum has more value. Maybe and empty perfume bottle, spells fine, but nothing in it.

    • swede41

      AMEN,WARREN,,ROMNEY HAS HONESTLY,OPENLY STATED HISBELIEF IN GOD,WHERE OBAMA HAS CANCELLED THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER,BUT HAS EMBRACED RHAMADAN,,,SO WILL VOTE FOR ROMNEY,,,I CAN'T STAND TO HEAR OBAMALONY'S VOICE ANY MORE

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        you mean gods

        • wattsupstupid

          I feel sorry for you, you are one person so very full of hate.

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          She is ignorant and proud of it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/CoachKaterina Katerina Gasset

          I feel sorry for you Rhonda. You must have a really hard life living with so much hate. I pray for you. I pray to Heavenly Father through the name of Jesus Christ that God will help you with whatever you are going through to help you get rid of the hate that is eating you up inside.

    • Linda

      Yes and he never has run a business and his words show he don't know nothing about it. He is an amateur and never should have been voted in.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        and the GOP sat for the last 4 years and did NOTHING TO IMPEACH HIM...nor did they do a good job of vetting him before the election and STILL Romney doesn't bring up his qualifications because he is in the same boat

        • Edward53

          Well, why the hell didn't Ron Paul try to impeach Obama? He's a member of Congress, yet we never heard one word from him except him repeating the same lies about Mitt Romney as his buddy, Barack has been spewing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.lofton.56 Jerry Lofton

    I heard some of the same cat calls when Kennedy was running for President. What we do not want is a person that feels he himself is a God. Take the entrance 2008 Obama appeared out of the clouds as if coming to earth from the heavens.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      According to Mormonism, Romney will be a god (the equivalent of Jehovah God of the Bible) when he dies if he lives a good Mormon life....

      Just sayin'...

      • junkmailbin

        that is if he lives up to his covenant with God. people just cannot just cannot resist being a d_mb arse, you get four choices. Vote for Barry, vote for someone else, do not vote at all, or vote for romney. the first three elect barry.

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          I agree, people just cannot resist being stupid....

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

          That's how obama got elected in the first place.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          If the republicans had done the right thing and impeached Bush we would never have gotten Obama in the first place
          In fact why haven't they impeached Obama?

        • Edward53

          Impeach Bush? Bush did his job. At least Bush wasn't supported by terrorists like Ron Paul is. Every Paulbot I have ever met were all haters just like Adolph Hitler. You people are all gullible fools.

      • medivac

        According to the liberal belief, Obama is a god !!

        • Redneck

          Obama is more like Satan.

      • baxtor

        Yes there belive in that they'll be a god and rule their own planet,and their wife will populate their planet being eternally prenant,but thats their cult that teaches that ,because they have another Jesus ,thats not God,but was born from another god ,whom was man ,not a spirit as the God of the Bible is,
        But that their faith and we can't go by this issue of their faith as a means to elect him this time,because Newt was a catholic,and Santurum,they go through Mary to Jesus ,than Jesus only as the way to God only,and but they all are not running,its either Conrad Obama or Romney .We have no choice in the matter of this,and God would want us to choose wisly on the two we have to pick on,but He would like us to not vote at all ,because of Romeny and mormonism.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

          Somebody needs to return to the sanitarium and their padded room. Just be calm and the men in white coats will be bringing you your jacket with the long sleeves.

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          Yes, God would want us to choose wisely. I just have a problem with other people telling me what God is telling me to do. As a staunch Conservative, I will vote my conscience. I ask myself if I will be able to stand before God one day and be 100 percent certain that I have done what He wants me to do in my life. And this includes who I am going to vote for. Voting is a serious DUTY of the American citizen, and I don't take it lightly.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          Yep, i agree Julie!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

          Really, Baxtor? You think God wants America to have 4 more years of BHO? You really think that???? You think God would tell you to your face to boycott the vote? Wow! That's scary. Well, of course, maybe God in His justice will choose to punish America for the way we've shoved Him out of every aspect of life - but, He certainly can manage to do that without people acting irresponsibly and failing to vote for the best chance to turn America around! Wow! You need some serious educational help with your spelling and grammar, but more especially Scripture - and by that, i mean the Holy Bible - both Testaments, and not the Mormon books! Yikes! How many more of you are there who are voting age and will boycott the ballot box because you think God would want you NOt to vote for a Mormon? Your God is way too small, to paraphrase J. B. Phillips!

        • Pebbles

          Since when did God make you his spokesperson? I doubt you would even be in contention.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          wives not wife will populate their planets they inherit
          Plenty of real Christians to vote for without voting for either of these 2

        • mskyace

          1890, one wife only!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        Moron spew--Just sayin

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          You forgot the "M," Pamela. MorMon spew... ;)

      • balanced

        well in that case, he won't be here to plague us... he will have already left this earth.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Well, but he isn't dead yet, right? And that isn't exactly what they teach. He MAY become a god according to their theology if he continues to do good works - you don't just get to be a god the minute you die. It's a small point, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with how he will serve as POTUS. We're not voting for the Supreme Religious Leader of America! i am not a Mormon, but i probably know more about Mormon beliefs and creeds than most because i lived in Mormon territory for a number of years and worked for Mormons in my second job. They were attentive to their business, fair in their dealings with me, paid more than adequately, and came to visit me when i was hospitalized. They did not convert me, but we had many good discussions. Romney has good business sense, and he isn't OBAMA! jus' sayin'

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          You say it's not exactly what they teach and then you confirm the same doctrine I mentioned. LOL The principle is the same. That is their ultimate goal - to become a god - which is why they strive to follow the Mormon beliefs and live their life as a good Mormon. It IS exactly what they teach. I just wrote "be" instead of "become" in my original post.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          if you want to call $450,000,000 in medicare fraud good business sense

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        a very inconvenient fact but true

    • Guest

      out of the clouds???? I would look a lot lower, if I were you. Wayyyyy lower.

  • voter

    its not ok for nobody to vote for Mitt Romney he will send our country back to the Bush era

    • Chuck

      Happily! We didn't have ObamaCare under Bush.

      • LeSellers

        The correct name is "O'bamaDontCare".

        Please use it well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001251348699 John Glenn

      ohbummer will absolutely continue to ruin America in every form he can. Mr Romney will see to it that we continue to live as Americans. Get your facts straight before you spew lies.

    • Dennis

      Give me the Bush era!!!

  • DWinch

    I will vote for a can of dog food before I vote for obama.

    • medivac

      Obama ATE dogs for food !!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        So have billions of others-including one of my friends who lived for many years in a small, island nation in the south Pacific, and myself while working with the ROK Army in South Korea. Get over it.

        • medivac

          I wouldn't brag about it !! Rats, cats, dogs, whatever !'ll get over it when the chump is out of office and sent back to Chicago to peddle his wears where they believe he is god !! I worked with ROKs in Vietnam but I didn't eat dogs !!

        • Pebbles

          Good for you. Oh, don't you think we need to send him back to Indonesia? Get him out of the US altogeather.

        • Edward53

          He needs to be sent to GITMO.

        • medivac

          Pebbles, were I want to really send him isn't a "cool" place!! For now i'll be content just to send him back to the Church of Wright !! Nature will take it's course from there !!

        • Pebbles

          Oh, we can't have a little fun over the "exaulted one"? Get over it yourself.

      • Sam in NC

        And the dog food !

      • Redneck

        He more than likely ate rats too.

        • medivac

          That would be cannibalism !! Eating one's own kind !!

    • Dennis

      We would be better off if we had no President and no senate!

      • Balanced

        you sir, are a facist when you say things like this. Get out and vote to replace the people who you thiink are unfit. If you don't like the way things are done, then emigrate to the middle east or communist China, perhaps that will serve your interest better.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Well, the alternative is a dictatorship and that's where we're headed if we don't cull the Senate and vote for the candidate most able to defeat the incumbent!

    • Pebbles

      Oops, did that dog get away from Barry?

  • JOHN DETWILER

    WHY NOT? AFTER ALL OBAMA WILL BE GETTING ALL OF THE MUSLIM VOTES.

  • stevesw

    No I will not vote for Romney. I am sitting this out. My faith is in Jesus Christ not man and besides Romney will be no better than what we have now.

    • Chuck

      Then you are choosing to vote for Obama to comtinue his destruction our country. Yiu are kidding yourself into believing thst we can correct the Obama blunder next time around. There will be no next time, pal.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      You should at least write in someone. Sideline Christianity is much to do with why we're in this mess now.

  • http://profiles.google.com/mbabsit Walter Jacque

    I don't know about you all, but in November I'm writing in Dr. Paul.

    • Glowy

      Same as voting for obama

  • EnemyoftheState

    Given his refusal to support First Amendment Rights in the Chick Fill A debate, his support for homosexuals in the Boy Scouts and his cult of Mormonism there seems little to recommend him. He is a poor orator, clumsy in public and unlikely to make an iota of difference to the spiritual health of the United States.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

    You and your ilk sir, are in the same position as Hezekiah and his cronies in Jerusalem. You fight against God and refuse to serve the masters God has placed over you as PUNISHMENT for your crimes (for they are legion). If God has sent Barack Obama as a weapon against the filth of America in judgement, then so be it. You and your GOP banker criminals will no more defeat God's intentions with your lies and tricks, then Hezekiah managed to save either himself or his people. God has judged America, by revealing the criminality of the past electoral season, He has shown the filth of the so-named political opposition; God has His chosen instrument to destroy you--his name is Barack Obama.

    • Dennis

      You're wrong! Barak Obama will not destroy me! And he is not God's chosen instrument! It's amazing how you know God's perfect will for ME!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        I only have to look at Obama's rise and election, at the complete refusal to hold him to any public accounting, to the sycophantic media, and the corrupt, useless members of government and our bloodthirsty, treason-committing military, and I have no doubt, the only way these things occurred in America is by the hand of Almighty God, and the mere fact that the only opposition to Obama is another criminal, corporate-fed, liar who belongs to an internationalist, world-government arm of the Republican party (in other words, absolutely NO DIFFERENCE from the desired goals of the Obama administration), means all your screaming and wailing will not avail a thing.

        • Dennis

          Now your dancing! You don't know God's will for me or if Obama will destroy me or if he is God's chosen!!!!! If you are so all-knowing why aren't you running for president so you can put us on the straight and narrow? God may make you the chosen vessel!

  • m

    It amazes me how people try to use Mitt Romney against him? Its perplexing. He doesn't try to change other peoples religions! Obama does! Moving us toward the Koran and Muhammed! He has a good family that is well respected and honest! I can't say that about Obama. He has earned his money as a businessman and has made his clients money as he is supposed to. That I also can't say about Obama. He has stolen most of his income! I think right now the idealogy for this election could have a reclining sofa as the Nomination against him. It just shouldn't be Obama! Not Obama! NOT OBAMA!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Well maybe we should vote for "reclining sofa" and send a message to the GOP to stop propping up RINOS.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        Pay no attention to TA, the liberal brain dead troll who is trying to pose as being a "Republican" but its spew of excrement gives it away every time.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Oh, come on, Terrance - you can't be a true patriot - you're a troll, right? Why don't you just admit it and go post on someone else's liberal blog! You're transparency is obvious!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jayne-Nielsen/100000024501720 Jayne Nielsen

        Hey, mindless wonder...haven't you been paying attention? Many "good 'ol boys" in the GOP have been booted out so the Tea Party HAS SENT A MESSAGE.
        I'm sure you're going to write something crass about the Tea Party but that's OK. I consider you another 10-watt bulb in a 100-watt discussion.

  • kalaohio

    What not vote for Mitt Romney? Why would even think of voting for that alien in the White House?

  • BlackJK

    would you rather have a Mormon or someone who supports gay marriage, abortion, Muslims who are out to kill us and who is a socialist at best an likely a Communist.

    • medivac

      Obama has said he tried the gay thing before !!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Um look at Romneys record he supported so lot of those things if not all at some point. He changes with the wind. I'm not going to be cornered into voting for him because Pres. Obama is worse. Write in. Even if it's a tough pill for the Gop to swallow.

      • sensible

        if you do a write in then Obama will get back in possibly and that would be the end of our country as we know it. Wake up people, no one is trying to get into Cuba, North Korea, Mexico. They want the American Dream.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        Liberal troll and moron.

      • P5Driver

        Lunacy in motion.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        A write-in IS a vote for Obama! Your guy has no chance so you are just throwing your vote away!

      • Pebbles

        Prove it!!!!! You are unAmerican. If you are watching how the wind blows, why have you missed all of the changes with Obama? Blind is as blind does. You have made zero sense. Why don't you just move to Cuba, it seems to be right up your alley. That will give you a crach coarse in "swallowing tough pills".

      • medivac

        You might as well vote for Rosanne Bar !! At least that takes away from Obama !!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jayne-Nielsen/100000024501720 Jayne Nielsen

        You know, Terrance, some people do experience an epiphany and maybe Mitt Romney is one of those people. But since I assume you've NEVER changed your mind on anything, you're one of those "perfect, mindless wonders".

      • mskyace

        Even a write in is a vbvote for Obama!!

        • mskyace

          Oh man that is suppose to be VOTE!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      Romney supported those things too....before he started running for president

      • Edward53

        And Ron Paul used to publish racist magazines, too. Of course he denied it and blamed it on his staff. He denied that he was ever a member of StormFront but StormFront says he was a member. StormFront is very Pro Nazi organization.

  • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

    One little issue here (among many) with this article: when Paul wrote those words in 1 Timothy, were their kings and leaders ELECTED by a democratic, majority vote by the people of the country?

    How about people stop "shaming" other conservatives to vote a certain way? When we as conservatives stopped voting our CONSCIENCE and for what was RIGHT is when it started going downhill, politically speaking. Instead, now we vote for the "most electable." I feel physically ill every time I hear that phrase now: "MOST ELECTABLE." Let me tell you who the most electable person is: THE PERSON WHO MOST PEOPLE VOTE FOR.

    How about we stop following the crowd and start following Christ? Or, even if you don't believe in Christ, follow your own conscience. Lets vote for, as conservatives, who we truly believe to be the best candidate and stop listening to this fear mongering and stupid attempts at shaming and scaring people to vote a certain way. Romney or not, vote the way God - or your conscience - tells you to.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Amen. Couldn't agree more!

  • BlueViolets

    I say we all stay home on election day and let obama declare himself dictator. That makes about as much sense as all the blather I've read here. Personally I will vote for the person I think can best run this country using the least amount of government interference in my life.

  • stevesw

    He couldn't even take a stand for chick-fil a? Oh and he supports gays in the boy scouts. There will be no difference than the current administration. The new world order is coming no matter who is president.

  • BDS

    Is It OK for Christians to Vote for Mitt Romney?

    This Christian Theologian says this "I’m voting for Romney. I’ll put up a sign for Romney. I hope Romney
    wins. Why? Because as a Biblical Christian I vote for the person who
    best provides peace and room for the Church to act and the gospel to go
    forward. I don’t look to the State for the things only the Church can
    do. If Romney is moving “right” for “merely pragmatic reasons,” then
    hurray!

    So what? Romney will provide more peace and freedom for the Church than will Obama. And from a Biblical standpoint, that is the ONLY thing I ask."

    Evidently this "theologian" hasn't read or listened to anything Romney says or gone to the web site http://www.massresistance.com where he
    can watch, listen and read from Romney's own lips that he can in no way
    bring or provide peace for the church and more freedom for the church
    than Obama as both practice the exact same thing.

    To prove it to yourself, go to http://www.massresistance.com and then you decide which lover of Satan you'll vote for.

    BDS

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      "So what? Romney will provide more peace and freedom for the Church than will Obama. And from a Biblical standpoint, that is the ONLY thing I ask."
      Just HOW will your Romney do this? Why do you state this to be true? Romney has said NOTHING of the kind.

  • Hopefull

    People get your heads out of the sand. Obviously all those who have such negative comments re the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have never honestly investigated the church. It is OK to have difference of opinion, but, such vile remarks are not indicators of intelligent thinking.

  • Samurai_Sam

    Simple enough! If Christians don't cast a vote for a Morman they are casting one for a muslim. When was the last time anyone heard of a Morman beheading someone they didn't agree with?

    • LeSellers

      C'mon, Sam.

      It's "MormOn": two O's, no A's.

      But, you're right, I haven't beheaded anyone, don't plan to, and wouldn't even if the person was (gasp!) a Baptist.

      • Samurai_Sam

        OOPS1 Guess the secrets out. I ain't a Mormon! Yesterday I couldn't even spell Mormon, now I can.

    • Carl G. Oehling

      There are more than just the Bi-partisan Party to vote for. God says we are to vote for a good man who is afraid of Jehovah, Ex 18:21. Neither Obama or Romney are afraid of HIM.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        The "fear" of God is not the fear associated with being afraid! That old term "fear" means honor and reverence. And yes, in a way, there is a bit of "afraid-type" of fear in that - but it is the fear of disappointing a God who loves us and wants us to live holy and righteous lives that bring us contentment and blessing. But you do NOT know that Romney does not have respect for God. You know about Momonism, but you do not know how God has worked in his heart and life, and therefore, you are sitting in judgement when you do not, cannot have access to the knowledge God Himself has of Mitt Romney. You can quote Scripture all day long, and we can debate the Mormon issue till the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ - but the issue right now is whether we sink with Obama, or have a chance to pull out of this huge debacle with Mitt at the helm.

  • http://profiles.google.com/rsmitth.pervasor Richard Smith

    If we don't, in 4 years there won't be a country (not to mention any Christians) left. This is it people, its a life or death situation here, and Obama=Death. Hold your nose if you must and push the button for Romney.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.jefferson.545 David Jefferson

    I've been voting since Carter-Reagan. Always for the lesser of two evils

  • SubCapt 410

    The choice is simple. Vote for a Muslim or vote for a man who is a great citizen. All the Mormons I have known have been great people and terrific loyal Americans. Can't say that about O'Blubber. Why won't he open his college and other records? Known to be a coke head in college, but has sealed all records at great expense. We know about Romney. We know nothing about the Manchurian Candidate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      Romney nor his 5 sons served in the military....so much for patiriotism
      He refuses to release his tax returns which means he is hiding something
      His own father said one is not enough

      • shagarn

        He has released tax returns...2 years worth. That is all the tax returns that the senate has asked in the past!!

      • mskyace

        There you go again!! Neither did Bill Clinton serve! You surely can't believe all this garbage you are throwing out here. Unless you actually believe all the garbage that's being thrown at you. Who cares about Mitt's taxes, I don't!! I care about the man and his ideas to save this country from being under World Order rules. We must believe in things getting back to normal again - believing in God and his ideals and his promises MUST be our goal.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Do you have all the facts about why neither Romney or any of his sons served in the military? There are many people in the USA whose sons never served. Does that mean they are not true patriots? Who said he has refused to release his tax returns? Harry Reid is a liar, claiming that Mitt hasn't paid income tax for numerous years. Come on! A lowly Min wage earner might get away with that for a few years, but the Governor of a state? A corporate chief? If you believe that, i have a bridge to sell you - real cheap. It spans the SF Bay - actually, you can have your choice of two bridges there. The famous one or the earthquaked one - i'll make you a deal - two for the price of one. Bet he'll release his school records and publish his B.C. if asked. Why do you need to see his tax returns? How many presidents released their tax returns? Name one.

      • cantonst

        All 18 year old men and women, should be required to perform two years of military service, but only after they graduate from high school. Most men think one is not enough and in this day and age most women do too. But good men abide by their commitment. I wouldn't release my tax returns either knowing that the opposition would make the whole election about nitpicking every word, period, comma, and number in those returns. Finally, as long as we seek our worth in material things and sexual relationships, instead of our relationship with our Creator, we will never be happy. I think Romney sort of sees this, and expresses it in one way through his very generous charitable contributions over and above his tithe. This is very different than our beloved President and Vice President who give little or nothing to charity. Then Democrats believe that Government should be the only charity.

  • Noah

    Is it okay for for Christians to vote for Obama the Muslim? Concerning the beliefs or lack thereof concerning Romney's non-belief in the Trinity, it is interesting that ALL three members of the Trinity are mentioned in the first three verses of the Old Testament and even the Jews don't believe that. Here they are: (1) "In the beginning God (the Father) created the heaven and the earth. (2) And the eareth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) moved upon the face of the waters. (3) And God Said (the Word-John 1:1), 'Let there be Light (John 1:4) and there was Light.

  • St. George Utah Girl

    The bottom line is that NO MAN can save our country. Only God can do that. Having said that, this line really bothers me, "a man who openly denies the Trinitarian God of the universe". This just isn't true. As a Mormon, I can say unequivocally that Mormons DO believe in God the Father, His son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. We believe that they are three separate, distinct beings who work together "to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man". Very simple concept really. Christians are under attack in this country. Why do we nit pick each other when we have never before needed to support one another?

  • Larry1

    I do not agree with Mormon teachings, golden plates, Jesus returning and living with native Americans, etc; I have known several Mormons in my lifetime and there was not a bad apple in the bunch. I know mine is a small sampling but I can't say the same for my other "Christian" acquaintances. The Mormons are generally very devout in their faith. I respect that. You may have noticed that I did not mention Romney in this post, he might be the exception to my experience. I am not voting for Romney, I'm voting against the muslim, imposter, non-citizen POS in the WH. A vote for anyone else would just be a vote for the impostor! Doesn't really matter though, the POS and his commie buddies have this election bought and paid for.

  • passionand leadership

    If he wanted to win by a landslide all he needs to do is denounce Mormonism, homosexual marriage, adoption, membership to the BSA and say that his MA healthcare bill was a bad idea!

  • Bobgood

    Practice of a Religion, is not a requirement to run for Political office. Some citizens expect our candidates to be Perfect. Held to higher standard than we would stand for ourselves. If we live clean moral lives, it's not unreasonable to sk that of our Candidates.

  • sunnyblues

    Thank you for finally addressing this issue. I concur. This is not about Romney's religion. It's about getting rid of the biggest liar, the biggest fraud, the biggest anti-American president we have ever elected. The President of the United States job is not to preach but to lead. I'd much rather have a family man with strong moral values and a strong entrepreneurial back ground than one who only cares about his agenda which is to bring America down so he and puppet master, Soros, can force our country into a one world order. Anybody but obama.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      By electing a criminal whose candidacy was run through by election fraud, at the hands of a group of wealthy, internationalists bankers? Who hate America and who openly state their goal is world government and personal servitude? Yeah, that's a choice, but rewarding open criminality is not ever a Christian choice, punishing those who attempt such acts by not supporting efforts, however, IS.

      • NEW MEXICAN

        not voting might be worse because even the dead vote for obummer.

      • NEW MEXICAN

        i wish we had a true Christian conservative running, but we do not.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          RON PAUL IS

      • Pebbles

        Excuse me? Who are you referring to? Romney? If so, prove it. If not, I agree, Obama fits your discription to a "T".

    • lindalu

      You are SO right! I am a pentecostal Christian and I WILL be voting for Romney. As I have said to people, We need a man who led people, made money, and lived a quiet life with one wife and 5 children, who all turned out to be good citizens. We need a LEADER in OUR WHITE HOUSE who will obey the Constitution and has a work ethic, as the Bible teaches us that we must WORK for a living, and Obama wants to act like a "littile god"" and give money to people who don't want to work. I believe the Good Lord let Obama win in 2008 to wake us Christians UP, and I think HE will let us have a change in 2012. I'm certainly praying anyway, as the Bible teaches us to pray for our leaders, it doesn't say that they have to be a Christian, but someone who is honest, truthful, just, and an upright person, which Romney is. He has a cool head, even with the lies being told about him constantly. Sooner or later I believe we will all find out that Obama was an illegatimate president, because I think he was born in Kenya.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      and replace him with a worse liar, fraud, and anti American
      Romney is an Israel firster

      • shagarn

        You can say your nasty things, but the man has morals Rhonda. As far as I can tell has been honest in his dealings. Do his beliefs outweigh his moral upbringing? If you can someone who can change his mind to become more moral then it's Mr Romney, if not then you just may well have Mr Obama who can and will in the next four years make sure that you don't have a say in where you live, or what you wear, or where you work, nor how much you can earn. I'm more thrilled about the government telling me what kind of a job I can have, and how much I will earn, Not based on my performance, or my education, but have I towed the party line. Good job comrade. You get place to live for now...your mother and father, ah so sorry, they have been elminated. They were too old to work!
        If you all are not extremely diligent, there might not be elections in November. Remember, this is the president who signs a new executive order once a week!!Hey, tomorrow is Friday...look for a new executive order!!

      • mskyace

        What's the matter with you ? Did you get out of bed wrong this morning? I believe you are being hateful just to stir up hate. So go back to bed and crawl out the opposite side and see if your attitude changes!!

      • Edward53

        And you are an Israeli hater yet you call yourself a Christian. I don't think we serve the same God, Rhonda. your God is Ron Paul. You are a total hypocrite.

  • denny

    i shore will vote for him. he will get us out of this mess we are in.

  • natalukjoe

    is it ok for a Christian to vote for a communist muslim?

    • Think About It

      Of course it's OK for a Christian to vote for a communist Muslim. Keep in mind that Marx said "religion is the opiate of the people." In other words it helps keep them in line. Also keep in mind (while you still have a functioning one) that Islam teaches that it is fine and good to lie to non-muslims. Also keep in mind that many of them would like nothing better than for you to see the world spinning around you as parts of your body go flying through the air when your Church is blown-up. (Check reports from the middle east.) Or when your head goes rolling down the street. Beheading seems to be a big thing in their culture. Also keep in mind the honor killings.

  • David Dyer

    You could just as easily ask the question, Is it okay for non-Christians to vote for Mitt Romney? As I understand the election process, we are choosing a new president - head of the executive branch of the USA government. Every person must vote their convictions and beliefs as to who will make the better leader. It is NOT okay for a Christian to refuse to vote. Their missed vote is in fact a vote for the winner of the election, whoever that may be.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      You are soooooooooooo right! Boycott or write-in - that "vote" or non-vote belongs to Obama!

  • hongryhawg

    Mormonism is an antithesis of islamism. That's all I need to know, and I'm a Christian.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.guthrie.35 Tony Guthrie

    Christians voted for BO and look at the results. Give this man a chance. At least he is a man of faith.

  • Jack

    Not only is it OK they have a duty to vote against the anti God candidate.

  • Shears_of_Atropos

    The Catholic Church had faced a similar question, one that has had deadly consequences at lately as WW-II: Are other Ancient Christian congregations really Christian in the Catholic sense? For a long time the answer was NO, even though the word Catholic means "Universal". Yet, all the Bibles tell us that Christ said, "No man comes to the Father except through me!", and there is no denying that the Coptics, the various Orthodox churches, the Protestants and others are following Christ in the light that they see him. How are they NOT our Brothers in Christ? We can quibble about which Bible is the correct one, whether the Book of Mormon has any value, and to what degree did Christ change the Judaic law, but if a man stands for and with Christ, that man is my brother in Christ also. Better my cousin than my enemy in the Oval Office.

  • MARYANN33

    Let us all vote for Romney and after he is elected and OBAMA is in prison for his crimes against our nation. We can then pray that the true and living and only God makes himself known to Romney...The only thing I can pray for Obama is that God removes him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      If you expect to get away with the statement that the GOP will pursue any member of the current administration for criminal prosecution after the elections, you are as deluded as you are ignorant; or just a really bad liar.

  • Save the USA

    Did some research...The Church of Jesus Christ's (Mormon) 11th Article of Faith is "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of
    our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how,
    where, or what they may." Maybe that would be good advice to follow, a lot less 'hate' talk to go around.

    Has to say something that Romney has such a clean slate that the only thing that Obama people can rip him up on is that he is.... rich... wow. What a horrible man he is. I can see why y'all are so hard on him.

  • Bryan Moore

    I don't think God is going to be offended at me because I refused to vote for a member of a cult that does not teach the truth concerning His son Jesus. God is able to work through anyone that the American people elect. Obama or Romney, 6 of 1, 1/2 dz of the other. Same track, same direction, just different speeds. Romney isn't going to change the direction. It may take a train wreck to get on another track going the right direction. I am not at al convinced that electing Romney will stop that from happening anyway. You want change? Pray for God to send revival.

  • lady

    Mitt Romney, as a Mormon, lives life according to the Judeo-Christian ethic; Obama does not. This Christian will be voting for Romney this November.

  • cantonst

    In answer to the question..."Is it OK for Christians to vote for Mitt Romney?". The answer is "Sure"!

  • Lane

    I don't see that we have much choice...it's Romney or Obama! I sure would far rather vote for a Mormon over a socialistic, far, far, far left, Muslim whose sole purpose is to bring America to her knees.

  • Tercel

    Mitt Romney is the lesser of two evils. I just have my doubts as to whether he is even electable. But the Republican establishment wanted him so that is where we are. God is sovereign and I hope we get Grace instead of Justice but either way it will be the will of a loving righteous God. I'm praying for a great awakening of the Church. America's only hope.

  • TD22

    My vote and mindset since the start of the election process has been: ~ ANYONE BUT OBAMA in 2012 ~. He has proven himself to be a lying, ineffective traitor to America. The goal is to be pick the strongest candidate who can defeat the infidel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/FlyPapa Allan John Kelly

    Mormonisn is NOT a cult, anymore than any other religion is. Every branch has their NUTS.. Romney is certainly NOT a Nut. He is a great person. Vote for him before it is too late to vote for anyone.....

  • Papabear

    America is getting what it deserves. When we (the Church) do a 2nd Chronicles 7:14, only then will God provide us with righteous leaders. Personally I believe that the Republican party had better choices than Romney, but the good guys got drowned out

    • OLD KUTE

      I agree.

  • Deserwest

    I am constantly astounded at the arrogance which oozes from self proclaim Christians. There are thousands and thousands of denominations which proclaim by their very existence they are the true Church over ALL the others. They wink and nod at each other, proclaiming unity while their pastor stealthly plot to steal members one from another. There is no real growth in the ranks of christians, while the Mormon faith continues to steadily grow and grow and grow. The facts say God has blessed the LDS faith and cursed the sectarian denominations for your pimpish behavior. You can no more judge the heart of Obama or Romney than you can any other person. Romney and Obama both seem to be dedicated to their wives and children. Their religious views are NOT on the ballot, only the issues are. If you religious so cripple your ability to chose one or the other, without passing judgment on anything else other than the political and economic issues on the table, then you are actually a dunce because your faith is obstructing resolving what issues need to be resolved. Really, there is a time and place for faith and religion. Some of you clowns need to understand when the appropriate time is to spout off on your faith.

    • Old Kute

      You are absolutely right. Way to many "Christians" try to judge the salvation of others and that, in itself, is a sin. What we are to examine, however, is the fruit that is produced. What does the person claim v what the Bible states. Obama has publically stated that he supports the marriage between two persons of the same sex. He has supported laws which make it a crime for a person owning a business from not providing insurance that covers contraceptives and other procedures which the owner’s religious beliefs opposes. If this is a stock company then the company can have no religious beliefs but a privately owned company reflects the beliefs of the owner and therefore he, under our Constitution, is not to be forced to go against his religious beliefs by the government. Basically Obama has not stood for the things God’s Word and therefore a Christian should not back him. It is as simple as that. When you have a choice between one who openly opposes God’s Word, we cannot judge where he stands with God but we must judge the actions he or she takes. There is nothing arrogant about that. It is universal Bible truth.
      Oh yes, as to your comments about faith in its place. One's Christian faith is to be their life style. It is to be lived every day, not just brought out on Sunday. That is the major problem with "Christians" today. They tend to spend more time arguing over trivial matters and less time making their faith an intricate part of their lives.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      "There is no real growth in the ranks of christians, while the Mormon faith continues to steadily grow and grow and grow." Deserwest, you are either simply mistaken, or a liar-Christianity grows around the world, though you rarely hear it in the American media (no surprise there). And I don't believe you'd like to get into a debate about the conduct of your LDS founders, your church history, or your members actions as compared with anyone else. Romney is a criminal, I will not vote for him.

  • carolyn

    Obama is the worst president we ever had, and a record of all he has done to place us in jeopardy as a nation, is sad. If he is reelected we all ought to read Revelation and realize our doom. He is dishonest as a Citizen, not qualified to the post at all !

  • medivac

    The three reasons to vote for Romney are good enough for me !! Romney does at least claim a religon !! Obama ??? Where has he gone to church while in office ?? Before ??

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1132616097 Carmen A. Cantalupo

    Cult Mormonism Maybe but he Romney Has Morals BHO Barry Lacks. And Romney has my Vote.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ed.evers.37 Ed Evers

    I did not vote for that primate in 08 and will not do so in 12..His bubble butt wife probably has the White House painted purple inside.

  • Shears_of_Atropos

    Would a Christian more properly vote for a sinner? Or the Prince of Lies?

    It's that simple.

  • 4Truth

    jazzpast keeps making comment after comment to distract from the issue. That and being a hypocrit and anti-American. He talks about satanism and lies while it keeps flowing out of his mouth like diareah. I've watched carefully the facts and lies of both Obama and Romney and neither is perfect as none of us are but I believe Romney is the safer bet and he is a Christian no matter what jazzpast says. Look at all of the different Christian churches. That is mans fault and God will straighten it out in His time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

    There are so many misinterpretations in this article here, I don't have time. Given enough time and thought anyone could use scripture to justify their own will. Which is exactly what the author had done here. Mormonism blatantly defies Bible teaching. The Hebrews were not given kings because they had grown wise. If you read it was because they wanted to be like other nations. It was not Gods perfect will. The Bible tells us clearly not to strengthen the hands of an evil doer or listen to false prophets (Mormons). Romneys record bears fruit of his true beliefs which are not in agreement with Christian teachings. The rulers in the Bible were not chosen by Christians. We have the choice now. And I doubt our Lord would have us vote for someone who endorsed homosexuality and abortion, ascribes to heresy against Him etc.etc.

    So no. Any born again Christian professing to walk after the Holy Spirit couldn't vote for Romney with a clear conscience.

  • OLK KUTE

    We are faced with a choice that should leave no question. Romney, though he is a Mormon, stands against gay marriage and the homosexual agenda -- Obama stands for both. Romney does not support abortion on demand -- Obama supports abortion, period. Romeny supports Israel -- Obama syas he supports Israel but he demonstrates all of the support for Islam and has visited more than one Islamic state, as President. He has not visited Israel as President of the United States. His two trips to Israel, as a politician, was with a group of Senators. Romnay stands for America as a great nation -- Obama has appoligized for America to its enemies.

    The choice is between two persons who have very different beliefs. We, as Christians may not be voting For Romney because he exemplifies our religious beliefs BUT, to not vote for him is the same as giving a vote to Obama who has demonstrated beliefs which are diametrically opposed to God’s Word where Romney has stood with God’s Word on the major issues stated above. Not voting in this election is to "abstain" from voting. When one abstains from voting, they are actually going along with the side that wins. For this reason, a Christian who does not vote for Romney will be For all intents and purposes, giving a vote to Obama. If you are truly a Christian, how can you justify voting for a person who stands totally opposed to the Teachings of God? How can you justify taking a vote away from one who, on three major issues (Murder of the unborn, Support for the homosexual agenda, and the destruction of the sanctity of marriage which God has clearly stated is between a man and a woman), stands firmly in line with God’s Word? There is no justification for it. When there are only two viable choices, it is imperative that we vote for the one who most closely supports the teachings of God, as set down in the Bible. He will not be our religious leader but his leadership must be such as NOT TO support and promote those things which are diametrically opposed to God’s Word.
    The choice is between two persons who have very different beliefs. We, as Christians may not be voting For Romney because he exemplifies our religious beliefs BUT, to not vote for him is the same as giving a vote to Obama who has demonstrated beliefs which are diametrically opposed to God’s Word where Romney has stood with God’s Word on the major issues stated above. Not voting in this election is to "abstain" from voting. When one abstains from voting, they are actually going along with the side that wins. For this reason, a Christian who does not vote for Romney will be For all intents and purposes, giving a vote to Obama. If you are truly a Christian, how can you justify voting for a person who stands totally opposed to the Teachings of God? How can you justify taking a vote away from one who, on three major issues (Murder of the unborn, Support for the homosexual agenda, and the destruction of the sanctity of marriage which God has clearly stated is between a man and a woman), stands firmly in line with God’s Word? There is no justification for it. When there are only two viable choices, it is imperative that we vote for the one who most closely supports the teachings of God, as set down in the Bible. He will not be our religious leader but his leadership must be such as NOT TO support and promote those things which are diametrically opposed to God’s Word.

    • Edward53

      Very well said, KUTE.

  • wayno

    Just becasue soeone says he is of a certain church, doesn't mean ANYTHING. The people opposing JFK spread rumors that the Pope was going to rule the country and would travel by secret underground train to Washington DC right after Kennedy was sworn in.
    Did it happen? NO.

    Much rather have an agnostic or pagan or Wiccan who's a good person and loves the U.S. vs a secret muslim who's out to destroy the country.

  • peroculusadastra

    Absolutely. After all a Morman is far more trust worthy than a communist like Obama who is so full of lies & manipulation.

    • LeSellers

      C'mon, peroculusadastra.

      It's "MormOn": two O's, no A's.

      But you're right, O'bama is simply not trustworthy. You may not agree with Brother Romney's political stance on everything, but we don't even know who (or what) O'bama really is.

  • twig

    I agree whole heartedly with Screeminmeeme. If Obama gets in for a second term we can kiss America goodby.

  • james doyle

    AS A CATHOLIC IT IS A MORTAL SIN TO VOTE FOR OBUMA DO TO HIS EXTENSIVE INVOLVEMENT WITH APPROVING ABORTION THIS IS PER THE PRIEST WHO WAS FROMALLY THE SPIRITUAL ADVISOR OF ST MOTHER THERESA

  • SFC RET DENNIS

    I fail to understand why people
    say Mormonism is cult, if to be a Christian means to believe in Jesus
    Christ, Which we do and follow his teaching as we understand it then
    we are Christians. What what we believe comes from the Bible and the
    Dead Sea Scrolls and a living Prophets, try reading them sometime
    Before you scoff at a living prophet, why not, why would God have
    Prophets in Bible times and not today? The Bible means book of books,
    which means there are several books under one cover. It was King
    Constantine who put the bible together when he formed the Roman
    Catholic Church. he searched for all the writings he could find and
    formed the Bible. Christ said that "Other Sheep I have that are
    not of this fold" so the other sheep would have received his
    word from his prophets in the area of his kingdom and they would have
    kept records. Christ also said that "Many works I have that have
    been reviled and many yet to be reviled". So We believe that the
    Book of Mormon and the Dead Sea Scrolls are two of his work's that
    have been reviled Just because you choose not to believe it, which is
    your rich, it is our right to believe and not be call a cult, I don't
    call any other religion a colt because you are not you are people who
    are trying to worship god as you understand it and I will never till
    you that you are wrong in your believe and there are many, many in my
    faith that feel the same and I have corrected those who try to say
    that we are the only true church, every church has truth we just
    believe we have further guidance because we believe God has never
    abandoned us and keep talking to us through a live Prophet and
    through his works that have been uncovered and have yet to be
    uncovered. Would you not believe your church leader if he said God
    told he this or that?

    • LeSellers

      Brother Sarge, I can't edit your comments, but PLEASE change "reviled" to "revealed". It's important.

      • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

        lol :-D

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Mormons don't believe in Jesus Christ. The Jesus Christ of Mormonism is a created being who is the brother of Satan. The Mormon gospel is called "another" gospel of Jesus Christ for good reason--any "orthodox" Christian who accepts Mormonism is apostate.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        And just for you to mull over awhile longer...if you accept the Mormon faith as Christian, then you are accepting the fact that the Mormons claim their scriptures as true--so full-time liars standing in a congregation claiming to follow the Word of God are acceptable to you--luckily, God has already told us where every person "who loves and makes a lie" goes.

      • LeSellers

        Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      What if he told you that blacks were cursed and whites were the desirables. Mormon leaders did just that.

      • LeSellers

        No, not exactly.

        Just one more example of how you twist our beliefs.

        Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

          Since you call us liars repeatedly, may the Lord God judge which of us is lying and destroy the guilty.

        • LeSellers

          Well, lessee:

          You claimed that we Saints slit the throats of people who committed adultery in the 1920s. It should be very easy for you to provide the names of the people who were killed, if not thse of the ones who did it. So, you can prove you're not a liar on that matter by giving us the sources you're using.

          You claim we believe Jesus is not God. I'd like to see how you arrive at that, without imposing YOUR definition of "God".

          If you CAN (and I know you cannot) show your claims to be justified, then you are not bearing false witness. But, if you cannot, the liar is unmasked.

          You even said that our leaders have told us that blacks were cursed and whites the desired. You have to take a lot of things out of context to arrive at that conclusion. One of the contexts is the difference between "doctrine" and ""sermon". Not all sermons are doctrinal. We Saints are not required to believe anything that is not scriptural (no matter what your hate-filled sources tell you). Many sermons are good in general, but are (or were) the opinions of the speaker. Many of those speakers (or writers) came back later and said, essentially, "I was wrong: we have more light and knowledge now. Here's what I now believe." Brigham Young did that in General Conference. In the morning session, he gave a passionate speech. In the afternoon session, he said, "This morning, you heard Brother Brigham's opinion on the subject. This afternoon, I shall tell you what the Lord thinks about the matter." He then completely reversed his earlier position.

          Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Dr. Robert Mouw apologized for his past sins in this regard. One would hope each of us is man (or woman) enough to follow his lead.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

        Exactly, time and again, false religious leaders have had to "edit" their teachings, while the real message of the gospel remains after 20 centuries, unaltered, "what is the chaff to the wheat?"

    • EnemyoftheState

      Joseph Smith stated that he received his golden plates from the Angel Moroni. The Mormons theology is extremely eccentric when compared with scripture. Mohammad claimed that he received the Qur'an from the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel). Having known Mormons they make good neighbors but the religion is definitely a cult. There is no cross, no blood and the idea that they suggest of Satan and Jesus being brothers is mad. What does the Word of God say about their gospel?

      Galatians 1:88 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. Both religions were given by an Angel from heaven (!) and both teach works righteousness hence the high suicide rate within Mormonism. In addition the Bible says we are not to add to God's word,

      Rev
      20: 18

      I warn everyone who hears the words of the
      prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to
      them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

      • Gregory A. Swarthout

        Is "this book" the Bible or is it Revelations? The Bible wasn't assembled until hundreds of years after Christs death, and Revelations was not the last book written of those books the men of the Nicean Council chose to be part of the Bible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/immto Mike Ortiz

    Because he's not Obama, is a horrible reason to vote for him.

  • patti cohen

    having a Mormon in the White House is better than a Muslim thug liar.....who cannot be trusted and is taking to a place of no return,i feel it and would bet my life on it ....no way can we keep KIng Obama 4 more,it is still dangerous right now with him in the White House

  • Bill Ford

    The answer is no.

  • Tim Bloedow

    Not sure why GP posted this R2K article by Jordan? So peace - social peace, I suppose - is his ultimate value for civil government, the paradigm through which he slips in his notion of different law for different spheres: "The Bible, however, shows us something different. What the political leader is supposed to provide is ... Peace." For the last few decades, we've been fighting the "lovebirds", trying to make the case for defining love Biblically to correct many popular errors. Now we're going to have to do the same thing with peace it seems! Whether Jordan's half-truth here on the purpose of the civil magistracy amounts to dishonesty or not may depend on his intentions or on how one interprets his comments.

    His main argument is against his straw man of perfectionists. I suppose there are 2 or 3 perfectionists out there, but I'm not a perfectionist. Who might these people be who Jordan has caricatured as perfectionists? Theonomists? Covenanters with their commitment to Christian Establishment? I can't think of any other groups of people who me might be caricaturing in such a way, yet these are the schools of thought with the most coherent arguments against voting for someone like Romney, and Jordan's comments aren't even in the same ballpark as those raised by these theological perspectives, so they are a complete waste of space as a general response to serious arguments.

    It's also very disturbing to see somebody of Jordan's stature dealing so sloppily with theology and with Scripture. Are Reformed Christians getting tired of being constrained by God's revelation that we feel pressured to dabble in the secret things of God? God as sovereign governs all things, so He has His decretive will which ordains all things that come to pass, but He also has His moral will or law. Just because He will use sin to accomplish His purposes doesn't mean we get to sin with impunity. We are to act on the basis of His revealed will, not dabble in the secret things of God. This is why Jordan's use of incidents in the lives of King Nebuchadnezzar and King Antiochus III to make his argument for compromise - R2K theology - in the realm of the civil magistrate is absurd, and why it's a shabby (to put it mildly) handling of theology and Scripture. I expect far, far better than that from American Vision and affiliated operations.

    Christians supporting a vote for Romney are operating on the basis of fear, and God has not given us a spirit of fear. And their attempts to run from their own fear by caricaturing critics as perfectionists in order to sidestep serious arguments against Romney voting. I wonder what Bojidar thinks of this embarrassing piece by Jordan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Very well said brother.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Lofton/100000422569879 John Lofton

    The notion that it is OK for a Christian to vote for an unbeliever --- an anti-Christ, a wicked person, a child of the devil --- to rule over us is idiotic beyond belief. And the fact that there are persons calling themselves "Christians" who say this is OK demonstrates with a vengeance what a sorry state the American church is in.

    John Lofton, Editor
    Archive.TheAmericanView.com
    Recovering Republican
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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003768107943 William Wallace

    Obama is a Ferarri approaching the cliff. Romney will be a mid-sized sedan. In my opinion, we will go over the cliff with either one, Obama will just get us there faster.

  • fedup40*

    This man believes in God and has led a honorable life as has he raised his kids We would be very lucky if Romney is elected. Obama is the exact opposite. Lies, corruption, lies, non believer, I believe Obama is in deed a Muslim as he was raised by his grandmother in Indonesia as a Muslim. He only said he was a christian when the "puppetmaster" Soros had him run for office. I could go on but won't. Said enough!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joan.brooke2 Joan Brooke

    Absolutely! We SHOULD be voting for Romney. He is a Christian as well! I would much rather have a Christian president than a Muslim - who is trying to make the USA a Muslim country! God forbid!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      If Romney's a Christian, then so is Obama, by your standards.

  • patti cohen

    Obama scares me to death ...for us Americans and our children,i worry he is always up to something ,and with elections close .....anything could happen with him still in office,get him out...........................i heard they are setting up over 600 Fema Camps ,what for? God please get us out of this terrible mess we have ourselves in. Boy ! did we screw ourselves up in the last elections

  • LANI

    I will vote for Romney. I cannot vote for a person who lies everytime he opens his mouth and I SURELY cannot vote for someone who HATES my Country. I also am voting for Romney because he worked his way up to where he is.Nothing was given to him. He worked for what he has. Where as OhBummer has lived off the backs of the citizens all his adult life. He has NEVER had an honest hard day at work. He has always had things handed to him. And it has been given to him by those who Hate this country. You would have to be a total moron and a hater of the United States Of America to vote for OhBummer. I Love my grandchildren so I will NOt vote for the person who so far has taken from them. They are already in debt and they haven't even reached their yrs of working yet. And if OhBummer remains in the WH they will be working all their lives to pay for the trillions and trillions OhBummer is racking up. And he is racking it up NOT to help the American People. The trillions have gone to his Buddies who contribute to his campaign, to foreign countries like business's in China, So. Korea, Spain and to Brazil so they can drill for oil. Mind you we can't drill but we give Brazil the $$$ to drill. To Solyndra where we now have a bill over $5 Billlion which was given to his buddies at Solyndra even after it went bankrupt. Same w/Beacon. He also gave our $ to EnerDel who made batteries for electric cars (they went bankrupt). we and our children and grand children are on the hook for all of this and I am sure there are many more we will eventually find out about. He also give our $$$ to those groups who donate to him. He isn't using the Stimulus money to help the American People at all. It's all going to his buddies and to his friends in other countries. So voting for him is like spitting in my grand childrens faces. He is not an American President he is an Imposter using our hard earned tax dollars to help himself, his friends and our enemies.

  • agbjr

    Whatever you may think or believe of Romney - his religion, his business dealings, his governance of Massachusetts - if you love OUR Republic and abide OUR Constitution then you must cast your vote for him. If you believe Romney has no Christian values then just bless yourself with the sign of the cross and vote for him. If you believe Romney won't honor the Constitution then ask Ron Paul to watch him closely and vote for him. If you believe Romney is unhygenic and stinks to high heaven then hold your nose and vote for him. The alternative is nothing less than the loss of OUR Republic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      We "must"? Why? Romney is an internationalist, Rockefeller, world-government, banker-fed RINO, he cares no more for lawful government than the other candidate.

  • webeamericans

    Bad thing is, Mitt will not fight to overthrow Obamacare and he also believes in gay rights. The devil you know or the devil you dont know. Tough to vote at all this year.

    • LeSellers

      He says that his first day he will start to repeal O'bamaDontCare.

      I believe him.

      • webeamericans

        He was the architect of it in Mass. He fought to keep that alive. Believes in government care. I just dont rust him. Cannot believe the GOP is so screwed up we cant come up with a bette candidate.

        • LeSellers

          It's what the people of Massachusetts wanted. The IX and X apply.

          The legislature of Massachusetts was 85% Democrat. And the bill was 20(?) pages long, not 2,700.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rwyatthaines Raeman Haines

    Why not ? Americans have already voted for a Kenyan Communist and a total idiot for president and vice president in the last election .

  • Rachel

    I consider Mormons' Christians, because my Mormon friends consider themselves Christians. But I must say that we have had Christian Presidents who were terrible!! (Jimmy Carter comes to mind...and Clinton was no choir boy).
    Labeling is a joke, because many Christians don't act in "Christian" ways...so electing a "Christian" doesn't mean anything, until you can judge his actions. While many non-Christians, act as we are supposed to!
    Bottom line...I'd rather have a responsible,moral Mormon, than a Muslim/fake Christian/Secularist (or whatever he is) like Obama!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Just because someone said they're a Christian doesn't make them a Christian. Christ is the standard for Christianity. He said that you'll know a tree by the fruit it bears and that many false prophets and antiChrists would arise.

      • juniebug

        Terrance Adams....you seem to have issues! If someone was considering becoming a Christian and read your comments, I think they would reconsider! A missionary to Christ, you are not! Quit putting down those who work hard for humankind! Words are cheap----action for good is where it's at.

      • Edward53

        So, Terrance.....are you an Obama supporter or a Ron Paul supporter? I'm guessing you are a disillusioned Paul supporter.

      • Pebbles

        Sure. Right. And Obama is a Christian.????? Would a Christian stop the Christian prayer gathering in DC and allow the muslims their prayer meeting (in DC). That was a big teller. So in one sense you are correct, Obama is not a Christian. However, I see no contradictions with Romney. If you do, state your case with irrefutable proof.

    • NEW MEXICAN

      saying you are Christian and being a christian are two different things.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      Yep, Good ol' Jimmy was the worst POTUS, although i think he may be the second worst now! i don't consider Mormons Christians because their extra-Biblical books and theology don't line up with the Old and New Testaments, and archeology has failed to prove the Book of Mormon to be true. However, all the Mormons i have known have been moral, fair, hard-working, honest, and generous. They give to charities, and their work ethic is beyond description. They also do not impose their belief system on anyone, but are open to dialogue. Mitt has been a faithful husband and father, a capable leader, and an honest man. As a conservative, Bible-believing Christian, i believe it is my duty to vote for the person most fit to be POTUS! Mitt gets my vote! I've had 4 years too many of the current administration!

      • Rachel

        Well said, Sandi. And I agree with you on the character of Mormons. The Mormon friends I have are all great people, great citizens and very hardworking family oriented Americans. The only downside to Mitt is that he's not really a Conservative...he's a moderate. But hey, a moderate Repub is way better than a Communist!

  • e1313ruth

    As I see it we have no choice... We can vote for the antichrist devil in the white house....Or we can vote for a Christian man who has been deceived on some religious issues......Most of Christianity have errors in their beliefs and they just do not know it yet..The sooner we realize all of mankind inherited Adam's mindset which was understanding good and evil as satan does the more forgiving we will be of those who have accepted error with truth......In Obama's case there is no truth....He is a liar like his father satan...
    No real Christian could vote for a man who is focing homosexual acceptance, abortion, and godlessness on the masses as is Obama......

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Um Romney backed the same stuff when it was politically expedient.

  • David Gilpin

    As a minister, I have struggled with this very question. Should I vote for Romney, knowing he is a member of LDS? I look at history, and realize the same question was asked about JFK, because he was a Catholic. Does this sway me in any way to vote for Romney? No. In a perfect world, Ron Paul would be the nominee and would win by a land slide without a doubt, but that is not the case here, this is an imperfect world and a dirty political system has taken over in our beloved Republic.
    So then what is the answer, if there is one? First, let's ask oursleves one simple but pertinate question: Which one, Barry or Mitt, would we rather have in the white house? It's that simple. All the religious rhetoric laid aside, which one will best serve America? Personally I feel there is little difference in the two, except one is a socialist bent on destroying the Constitution, and that is enough to make me vote against Soetoro, even if I have to vote for a potted plant to get him out of office.
    All of this LDS Vs. Muslim/Christian/Buddist/Athiest? rhetoric is just someones attempt to muddy the water long enough to get BS/BHO re-elected, and take the eyes of Americans off the truth, and the truth is this; if BHO is re-elected the destruction of this Republic will be completed and our sovereignty (what is left of it) will be handed over to the U.N.. So I think the real questions in this election should not hang on the fact that Romney is a member of the LDS, but rather will he serve in the nations best interest, if we have to choose between him and Obama. Do I think he can and will? Yes I do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Who says we're down to two choices. Write in. Too often Christians let the world dictate how they choose. If all Christians were courageous enough to stand up and tell the GOP to stop propping up RINOS we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Write in!!! After all this discussion, THAT is your answer???? Paul wasn't a consideration for me even at the beginning of his bid! He is anti-Israel, isolationist, and Pro-Palestinian. I dismissed him the first time i got one of his newsletters outlining his plans to bring all our ships and troops home, and to work diligently for a Palestinian State carved out of the land God gave to Israel! Nope - can't write him in - can't even consider him. What he would be good at is as Treasurer. I think he could be of some real help there to help Mitt bring some fiscal reality back to this nation. But write him in???? Nope - he was never on my list of possibles.

      • David Gilpin

        Fair enough, but let's look at this logically. All Christians aren't going to do as you suggest, you know it and I know it. A write in is a wasted vote, period. If we waste our votes, Obama gets in. I would vote for a GOP tree-stump before I would want Obama anywhere near the White House for another 4 years. If you want to waste your vote, go for it, but don't let your vote be swayed by the point that Romney is LDS, which was the context of the issue at hand.
        As stated in my comments, I would rather Ron Paul was the nominee, but he isn't as of today, and I have to move on. Now my hope is the sound defeat of Soetoro by Romney and it is just that simple. You don't have to agree, but you must respect my right of personal choice in the matter.
        thanks for the response.

  • Irma

    Rather ironic that most of the posts here by self-proclaimed Christians are not very Christian-hearted, and I'll go so far as stating that many sound like Intolerant Liberals. --- Kinda makes "Christians" look bad. I prefer a person of character - honesty and compassion, tempered with wisdom, responsibility, and reverence for God and His moral teachings. And quite frankly, Mitt Romney meets that standard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      I'm curious as to how a fascist, who won his primacy in the election by fraud.lies and deceit manages to fit your statement about standards, not even considering the facts that Romney supports Rockefeller and one-world, police-state government.

      • Edward53

        GO AWAY, PAULBOT!!!

  • Onion

    Why not just give Ron Paul the nomination in Tampa later this month instead? He hasn't dropped out like you turds in the main stream media try to tell us over and over again. And he is very electable and popular to the people that is just not the main stream media.

    • Edward53

      Ron Paul is done. Can't you idiots get that through your Ron Paul programmed brains? You're all imbeciles.

  • Gene

    The only choice this election is do you want a liberal pagan or a conservative pagan? I'll take my chances with a conservative pagan any day.

  • mitch

    I am 'Mormon' which is a Christian religion. The term 'Mormon' comes from the name of a book of scripture that we hold to - it proclaims Christ to be the Son of God, our Savior and Redeemer. We believe the same things other Christians believe - God is our Father, we are to abide by and strive to live the teachings of Christ and His prophets. We live 'peculiarly' in that we avoid coffee, alcohol, drugs - all things that create dependency and lessen our own personal freedom to choose. We know we are answerable to God for our conduct, words and thoughts.
    We also are honest, tax-paying, hard working neighbors. Do we make mistakes, even egregious ones? Unfortunately yes. But we will and do fight for freedom, we stand beside the downtrodden and hopeless, we vote and pay our bills and know God has great plans for this country. It is the best land on earth, blessed with abundant natural resources, the finest people to inhabit this planet, and He has wondrous gifts in store if we will seek to do what He has asked us.
    Will Romney make a good president? He has spent much of his life in service to others, understands intimately how our actions affect the lives of others. Will he steer us away from larger more intrusive government, will he seek to restore the Constitution as the supreme law of the land, will he abide by the voice of the people? I believe so, i hope so. I don't agree with all he has said or done, but I have the right to disagree lawfully with any politician or citizen. He will not sell us down the road to Islamists, will stand for accountability in governing, and understands that his knowledge is limited.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      You can list a thousand good deeds. The only thing that justifies us is the blood of Gods only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Mormonism teachings are not in agreement with Gods Word on many counts. Many things are good about Mormonism but Satan is wise enough to know that even good deeds or intentions don't justify us in His sight. It may please our standards in our eyes but the Bible says otherwise. Jesus is the only Way, Truth and Life. Fortunately for us all Jesus gives us the opportunity to repent because He desires that none of us perish. He loves you and I encourage you to leave Mormonism and embrace the Truth and only the Truth. God loves you be blessed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Dunn/100000108092512 Pamela Dunn

        pure nonsense babble.

      • baxtor

        Amen Terrance ,Only by the blood of Jesus will man get their sin forgiven of,now the tern Son of God ,the mormon's have a deferent definition what the term Son of God means,The term bible means that Jesus is God ,He is the second person if the trinity ,yet still God,Jesus was Eternally God before the beginning was.Jesus said to the pharisees ,that "before Abraham was,Iam.John 8:58-59. Now the tern for what mormon's and Jw's use for son fo God that Jesus was a "created spirit" this is not biblical .Mormonism teach that God had wives and had celestial sex and Jesus ,and lucifer are one of the spirit born from one of the wife of Eloheem they use the word for created God in Gen1;1 .
        They teach that God is an "exalted man" but The Biblical Jesus said that God is a Spirit,you have a problem if God is a man,and not a Spirit as Jesus said.
        When adam sinned all mankind became sinners,if God is an"exalter man,then God is a sinner,because we are all "IN Adam " but since God is a Spirit ,He is holy ,separate from sinners,When Jesus was born he was sinless in God beecause He was conceived by the "Holy Spirit" not as mormonism teaches that God the Father can phyically and had sex with Mary to have Jesus,then Jesus would be a sinner like us.
        But that mormonism ,and he has his religious freedom to be apart of them,but thats NO CAUSE to use that for not voting for him,because Obama is a Communist,and do you want this,Communist,socialism?
        If you don't belive me,check out youtube and compare Ronald Reagan and Obama ,enter Ronald reagan vs obama in search .

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Why are the most ignorant the most loquacious? Not a single thing you said here is true. Ask a Mormon.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

          prove it

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          "Mormonism" doesn't teach any of what baxtor claims it does.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        That still has no bearing on whether Romney would be a better president than the fraud in office. We aren't voting, as has been previously stated, a national preacher or national religion. We are voting for the President of the United States, and character counts here! i am a committed Christian, but this isn't the appropriate place to debate religious issues - it is the place to define what the POTUS' job is according the the Constitution of the United States, and then to determine, each of us at the ballot box, which candidate is most fit for the job! Mormon theology strays from Biblical theology by a wide margin, but that's not the appropriate debate for this venue! Mitt Romney has proven himself an able leader. If there are things in his political history about which we disagree, such as abortion and gays in the military, then we need to hold his feet to the fire on those things. i believe that he is willing to listen to the people and not impose his will on America as has the current POTUS. The main thing is, he has shown himself to be a capable leader, conservative with money, and a moral man. i'm not sure if he plays golf or not, but my guess, unlike our current POTUS, a round is not his highest priority of the day!

      • nan1

        terrance, so you think a lying muslim will be better than an honest Christian? Obama has shown his true colors, & THEY ARE BAD!!!!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        that's 100% right Terrance
        Our rightgeousness is like filthy rags compared to God's
        Yes a lot of Mormons are very good people but they are deceived by the false doctrines. Throw away those other books and cling to your bibles

        • Edward53

          You're a fine one to preach the Bible, Rhonda. The only Bible you read is The Book Of Ron Paul. Throw away The Book Of Ron Paul and start reading the real Bible, moron.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      I have read about the religion and it isn't the same as Christian
      for one do they believe that Satan and Jesus were BROTHERS?
      DO THEY BELIEVE THAT NOT ONE BUT SEVERAL GODS CREATED THE EARTH?
      nope the book of Mormon contradicts the bible.,.,.a lot

      • Gregory A. Swarthout

        Jesus is our older brother and the firstborn of creation. We were all created by our heavenly father. No, Mormons believe that a single God created the earth.

  • sickofcompromise

    Obama will destroy this nation easily with another four years. Romney to me is like America being Ninevah with Romney we may not get 40 more years before Gods judgment falls on America but hopefully we can get 8 years. Obama will guarentee the fall of America. At least with Romney Lord willing we have a prayer.

  • soldiermom11

    I believe that Romney will govern in the light of the Constitution. The Constitution was, after all, written by men guided by their faith. Faith in God will be protected and thrive in the freedom that America provides.

  • Kari

    As a Christian we have had neighbors and friends that are Mormons and they are wonderful kind people. They have never made any attempt to "recruit" us, they are just great friends and go out of their way to do nice things for us and other neighbors without expecting anything. We need HOPE and CHANGE now and if we don't nothing will save us from the man in office now so please believe that Mitt is a good man who will do his best to help this country, he'll put in people that know that they are doing and won't work against the USA!!! God bless Mitt and God Bless the USA!

  • Phillip Hansen

    Fantastic!

    It might be that, as Judas, betrayed Christ to manipulate him to use Godly power to save his life and the Jewish nation for the Roman rule, so when that did not work he committed suicide. We cannot manipulate Christ nor can He be, as He will do the will of his Father as He always does and so should we. Otherwise, we are just committing suicide because of fanaticism, not because of faith
    ..

  • Sapphira Sez

    I'll vote for the Mormon over the Muslim any day of the week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobwms Robert A. Williams

    Was it OK to vote for a Muslim Socialist? I guess it was, because he got elected.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      That type of logic is lost on most people, Robert, but I get what you are saying. lol

  • Phillip Hansen

    Errata (for to from)Fantastic!

    It might be that, as Judas, betrayed Christ to manipulate him to use Godly power to save his life and the Jewish nation for the Roman rule, so when that did not work he committed suicide. We cannot manipulate Christ nor can He be, as He will do the will of his Father as He always does and so should we. Otherwise, we are just committing suicide because of fanaticism, not because of faith

  • JReid

    I thought this discussion as to whether Mormonize is should have gone out of the political scene with Kennedy being catholic! I don't care what the religion is as long as they leave our freedoms alone and not try to convert everyone as the muslim's do with their shera(sp) law does.

  • Phillip Hansen

    Fantastic!

    It might be that, as Judas, betrayed Christ to manipulate him to use Godly power to save his life and the Jewish nation from the Roman rule, so when that did not work he committed suicide. We cannot manipulate Christ nor can He be, as He will do the will of his Father as He always does and so should we. Otherwise, we are just committing suicide because of fanaticism, not because of faith

  • kris littlefield

    Come on people. This is the 21st Century. Jesus doesn't make nations fall. People do. There is an old saying "The only way evil can prevail is if good people do nothing." Don't put the fall of this country on Jesus. That's my biggest peeve about religion. People sit back and do nothing and then when theres a problem they blame it on Jesus. I wonder what he thinks of that? Each and everyone of us is responsible if the United States fails. I bet the majority of you don't know one thing about any of the people you elect to office and I can safely bet that some of you don't vote and some of you have never voted in your life. So don't blame it on Jesus. Sure we're busy but taking a few minutes a day to find out what's going on in our home isn't asking too much. This country is our home and even though we don't always agree on the way things should be done we can usually compromise. But this time it's like the people in this country have blinders on. Obama wears a neon sign telling us that he's a liar and he's dangerous but not everyone is listening. A good majority of people voted this nobody in as the President of the greatest country on this planet. The first question I asked when he first came on the scene was what has this man accomplished? What qualifies him to be President? The answer was simple and obvious. Nothing qualified him. I am positive that someone who hates us and is chomping at the bit to see us fail is footing the bill and paying the way for Obama. Everything about him is a secret. Doesn't that tell you something? He rails on the rich and yet he always has his hand out to his rich friends in Hollywood. What is it going to take? If we do fall, which one of you good Christians is going to go to Jesus and say "why did you do that to us"? Do you really think so little of yourselves and of Jesus that you would honestly believe that he would destroy a great country like this? He'd tell us that we did it to ourselves. Wake up............................................

  • ltbl123

    Not to disparage Romney who I believe is of nobel character, if Obama's dog was running against him I would vote with pet lovers everywhere Christian or not!!!

    • dontjst

      Running against whom? Romney or Obama? You're a little ambiguous here.

      • ltbl123

        Obama running against his own dog...the dog gets my vote!

        • dontjst

          Good! That's what I hoped you meant.

  • Alex Johnson

    As a Catholic who grew up with Mormons and graduated from BYU Law School, I will attest that Mormons ARE Christians, and they are fine hardworking people, like the Catholic and Protestant middle class I grew up with.

    Romney is a fine example, who should be and will make a first class President. I just wish he were a little less genteel, more assertive in his positions versus Obama and more assertive of the conservative values he grew up with.

  • Merry

    How can I vote for Romney? That's also my same question! GOD established Israel to honour and obey Him. MEN established our country and founded it for the purpose of Honouring and obeying GOD. They created a Constitution fashioned after Gods ways and His Word. We're different than other countries in the world. It was the one great thing mankind could do for God as a seed in the world as a nation to promote "His Glory seen on all flesh". At one time it was required that a candidate be a Christian to run for any office including President.
    Does Romney belong to the sect of Mormons that believes in The Triune God with Jesus Christ being His son, crucified, risen, sitting at the right hand of The Father, who paid for the sin of all mankind? According to Wikipedia there is such a thing, but how true is it?
    I've never heard Romney make any declaration to that effect. He has been what Christians would call a minister in a Mormon church.
    How can a man promote Peace when He's not a Christian and doesn't know what Peace is?
    God is Peace. I find it hard to believe that it doesn't matter who and/or what a President believes in is as long as he abides by the constitution and moral guidelines.
    God has let man have his way concerning Kings and Presidents since Israel wanted Saul as their King. They chose him because he was charismatic in personality, tall and good looking. Sound familiar? They didn't care if He was God's choice or a man of God. (The only King God chose in all of history was King David.) The Church has fallen down on it's job of keeping this country focused on God and His ways and has brought our Country to this crossroads. Separation of Church and State? There is no such law! Believe me, we are at a crossroads and God is watching to see what direction we're going to take. If you hadn't noticed, nations are at their own crossroads and are being judged as to which god they will serve.
    I want a change in administration but who can I vote for? I must serve God and His ways and obey His Word above all things. I've lived this way most of my life and can't imagine living any other way. What about you?

  • swede41

    IF THE CHRISTIANS DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY THEY WILL GET MORE OF THE SAME FROM THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN OBAMA ONLY 100 TIMES WORSE,,IF WE THE PEOPLE WILL WAKE UP,STAND TOGATHER AND FIGHT FOR OUR CONSTITUTION,OUR FREEDOMS,OUR DIGNITY AND OUR SOVEREIGNTY,AND OUR CHRISTIAN/JUDEO PRINCIPALS....IF OBAMA IS RE-LECTED AMERICA WILL BE RUN BY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD...

  • Foxy

    The only reason I would not vote for Mitt Romney would be if he was another Islamist like the Godless one we now have as Americas president! I was raised Catholic and I have many Mormon ( LDS ) friends and I still don't get the "Cult" part directed at The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We have discussed the LDS religion on occasion and the only difference I find is that they believe Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost but as seperate beings. Many of the protestant Churches I have attended, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventists, Penticostal, Methodist and Presbyterian to name a few, believe that Catholic's worship idols in the form of statues found in their Churches and call priest's Father as in calling the Pope Holy Father and therefore regard them as Cultist's. So lets not condem Mitt Romney for his choice of religion and as was said in the article: Anybody but Obama! Anybody but Obama! The destoyer of the United States Of America!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      I love it. So Romney won't destroy America huh? Why? Because of the crap spewing out of his 20 second soundbites? He's a Rockefeller Republican, go look it up and see what they openly state they stand for: World Domination by corporate fascists.

      • Edward53

        I'll tell you what would destroy America. It would be Ron Paul shrinking our military by 48% and by legalizing drugs and prostitution. He is supported by terrorists such as CAIR, Hamas, Hezbollah, StormFront and white supremacist groups like the skinheads. Just what did Ron Paul promise these terrorists in exchange for their support? He gladly accepts their blood money for his campaign, just what did he promise them? Ron Paul is a hater just like his supporters, would you want these loons running this country? You people are very, very scary. You all act too much like the Nazis. Especially you younger ones who remind me of the Hitler Youth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778600230 Jere Hodges Jr

    Can I throw some secular common sense in to the discussion? Please?

    Folks, were not electing a Pope, or the President of the Southern Baptist Convention, or even the 12th Imam. We're electing a President, in a country that is NOT a theocracy.

    Sure, you need to let your principles of faith guide your decision, but you also need to bring some basic common sense into the discussion.

    On the one hand, we have a man whose entire life has been dedicated to the idea that America is wrong, that there are wrongs owed by America that need to be repaid to the rest of the world, that our "American exceptionalism" is a lie based on the oppression of other people.

    On the other hand, we have a man whose entire life has been dedicated to the idea that America - the United States of America - is the greatest place to live in the entire world, that what makes us great is our capacity for both individual effort and group effort in pursuit of excellence.

    On the one hand, we have a man who thinks capitalism is a great evil beast that must be controlled, must be tamed, must be kept in check; who believes that taking from some to give to others is a better idea than teaching those others to fend for themselves successfully.

    On the other hand, you have a man who believes that capitalism is the greatest human-invented force for good in the world, who believes that we are all capable of great things, if only the massive controlling arms of government can be pulled back and allow it to grow.

    Barack Obama believes I am part of the problem. Mitt Romney believes I am part of the solution. I'll vote for the guy who believes in me.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      Twenty cheers for you! Good, good summary!

  • yip yap

    We are not voting for a Savior....That has already been established
    We should, however, vote for the one who most closely reflects our Christian values.....In this case, it isn't even close

  • http://www.facebook.com/suenellaimes Sue Aimes

    I'm a devout Catholic and you can be sure I will vote for Mitt Romney. They are a kind and generous people. Trustworthy and honorable. They are not a cult. They do not depend on the government to care for their members as they have their own way of providing for those in need.

  • dontjst

    Of
    course it is. Religion has no place in government. When Kennedy was
    elected he didn't push Catholicism on us. Romney will not push Mormonism.
    We are a nation of religious tolerance and when we start injecting religion
    into our politics we'll be just like England of the 16th century - Which our
    forefathers left because of the Church of England.

  • Emil G.

    It doesn't matter what a man's religion is. What does matter, is that he be honest, and does what's right for the country. Vote for the right person and maby we can turn the mistake of 2008 around.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Then on your own counts, Romney fails.

  • Concerned

    Mitt Romney worships God our Father in Heaven and His Son Jesus Christ. I don't understand the disconnect from Christianity when the name of his church bears the name of our Savior, follows the Bible's teachings more closely than other "Christian" religions and also believes the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. What exactly is the stumbling block?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Ahh, no Romney does not...his god is not YAWEH of the Bible, his scriptures bear no resemblance to the Gospel, his doctrines are lies, these things are not Christian.

      • LeSellers

        "His scriptures" include the Bible, so you're implied point, that we Saints do not read or trust the Bible is proven false.

        Again, what is the biblical punishment for bearing false witness?

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          The Book of Mormon and the Bible contradict one another in many ways. I have both in my library and have read them both, although I study only one. If you were to line up the Bible and the Book of Mormon together, they can't both be correct because they contradict one another. So one is correct and one is wrong; they can't both be true. It's the Law of Noncontradiction, the most basic of logical thought processes.

          And THAT is not false witness: it the unmitigated truth. I pray that you will see the TRUE light of Christ and that His blessings will rain upon you.

        • LeSellers

          There are no contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

          The Book of Mormon DOES contradict creedal INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible, but it does not contradict the words of the Bible itself.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

          I do not bear false witness, you want evidence: "if any man or angel brings you another gospel other than the gospel we (the apostles), have brought unto you, LET THEM BE ACCURSED.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

          BTW, you can now show how supporting Romney, a man who supports world government by corporate, non-elected bureaucrats, in secular-fascists states somehow conforms with the doctrines of the Mormon church while you're at it.

        • LeSellers

          When Paul wrote that, he was condemning the Galatians because they had already (even with Apostles living among the Saints) fallen into apostasy. The vast majority of the New Testament (and the Old Testament, too) was written to combat ongoing (in the I) apostasy.

          Your message implies that you have "the Gospel we (the Apostles) have brought to you." Unless and until you can PROVE that, your charge is as effective against you (especially given the context of Galatians) as it is against anyone you level it at. We have the Gospel given to the Galatians, restored by the same Apostles (and other messengers from heaven) that Paul was talking about.

          I have at least as much biblical (and historical) evidence to support this claim as you do for yours. All your yelling, ranting, raving will not make your argument stronger.

          Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

      • dontjst

        You smack of incredibly bigoted ignorance!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Please tell us how: 1. Romney's church follows biblical teaching "more closely" than Christians do? 2. How acceptance of the Book of Mormon is not apostasy?

      • LeSellers

        Where does the Bible claim that there would be no scripture other than itself? Where, in fact, does the Bible claim it is infallible?

        Christ told us explicitly that He had other sheep, sheep He MUST bring into the same fold with the same Shepherd.

        Your attack on my church and her doctrines is not biblical. it is based on a series of assumptions that you cannot prove (although we freely admit you have evidence — the two are not the same thing) from the very Bible you claim is infallible and inerrant (no matter how you define either term).

  • Eagle 2

    My wife and I, our two children and their Catholic spouses, and five grandchildren are all Christian. We obviously don't agree with Mormonism, but it is day and night when compared with Obama and Muslim beliefs of senseless killing non-Muslims. About 10 years ago my wife and I retired and built our retirement home in a nice new middle class development. Clean, nice homes and nice neighbors. We had a black neighbor couple a few doors down and later another black couple moved in across the street. All fine people.

    My wife and I, our two
    children and their Catholic spouses, and five grandchildren are all Christian. We
    obviously don't agree with Mormonism, but it is day and night when compared
    with Obama and Muslim beliefs of senseless killing non-Muslims. About 10 years
    ago my wife and I retired and built our retirement home in a nice new middle
    class development. Clean, nice homes and nice neighbors. We had a black
    neighbor couple a few doors down and later another black couple moved in across
    the street. All fine people.

    Soon afterward, a
    middle age couple with four children moved in next door, we met them, the children
    were nice, the father worked for Discover Finance, and the mother stayed home
    and took care of the children and yard. Every once in a while she brought over
    a plate of fresh baked cookies. Their two sons were active in the Boy Scouts
    and, to our surprise and pleasure, they began a program of installing US flags
    on our street for Memorial Day each year. The family went to church every
    Sunday (and voted Republican!). We couldn't have asked for better neighbors. Their political beliefs took us into some nice
    conversations and to our amazement they told us that the husband had been
    transferred to our city from Salt Lake City. They were Mormons! We told them we
    had enjoyed a stop in Salt Lake City on a trip out west and attended a concert
    by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir - and how beautiful it was. They were strong
    Republicans and strong believers in our democracy, flag, Constitution, and the
    freedoms and opportunities we have in the good old USA. The antithesis of
    Obama. They never discussed nor forced their religious views on anyone, unlike
    the Jehovah’s Witnesses going door to door.

    For any person who cherishes the USA, the Constitution, our
    flag, our democracy and our freedoms, there is no reason to not vote for
    Romney. We have a sticker on our car and will have a sign in our yard when the
    time comes! United we Stand, Divided we Fall!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Mormons have massacred non-Mormons by force of arms, and were slitting the throats of young couples who committed adultery as late as 1920, sounds like the Taliban to me.

      • LeSellers

        Some Mormons may have "massacred non-mormons by force of arms" ONCE, but there is NO DOCUMENTED CASE, not ONE, where anyone's throat was slit for committing adultery or any other crime that was sanctioned by the LDS Church.

        Thou, sir, art bearing false witness against thy neighbor.

        As one Christian to another, I counsel you to stop this sin.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

          Keep making your apologies, Mormons are APOSTATES, and as such should be thrown out of any Christian association, along with every other blasphemous cult.

        • LeSellers

          We don't belong to any "Christian association", so you need not fear.

          We're not "apostates", since we have never claimed to belong to, nor descend from, any other church. Ours is a complete restoration of original Christianity.

          But you have still not repented of bearing false witness against us. I, personally, do not care, but you run a very grave risk of offending the God you claim to worship.

        • Edward53

          Yet you belong to the Ron Paul Cult........what's your point?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

          If you knew anything, you would be aware that's not the case. Ron Paul happens to be the only legal candidate we're discussing, the interests I represent are somewhat different from any of these guys.

        • Edward53

          What are you talking about? Mitt Romney is as legal of a candidate as Ron Paul is. Ron Paul doesn't even come close to the accomplishments that Mitt Romney has achieved in his life time. Romney has ran successful businesses and all Ron Paul has done was sat in Congress for 30 years and accomplished nothing. And I guess Ron Paul does own a small coin shop. So Timothy, I know a lot more than you thought I did.

      • dontjst

        You're a good candidate for Harry Reid's Liars and Slanderers club!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Yep - waaaaay back when - they don't do that anymore! The Muslims sacked Constantinople and renamed it Istanbul. They've desecrated churches and turned them into mosques. They have done that throughout their entire history. Islam is NOT a religion of peace. The Mormons have repented of the murder at Mountain Meadows, Idaho, and they know that's a blot on their history. They don't go around doing that anymore. So get over it! That was more than 100 years ago!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

    Mormonism it's not Christianity. Do the research.

    • LeSellers

      I defy you, or anyone else, (offline, please, this is not a debate about LDS doctrine) to show HOW we Saints are not Christians (a term not defined anywhere in the Bible, btw).

      Christ said we should judge people on their fruits, not their roots.

      Every doctrine we hold is in the Bible. We worship Jesus Christ. We talk of Christ, we preach of Christ and we teach our children to look to Him for their salvation.

      The Reverend Richard (?) Mouw said that evangelicals, including him, had sinned against us, and asked our forgiveness because you (I assume you're among the "evangelicals" he was speaking about) have born false witness against us. You have told us, not asked us about, what we believe. You have distorted our beliefs and fabricated things you claim we believe, but which we do not. God, he continued, condemns false witnesses in the harshest of terms. I pray you will repent of your bearing false witness against my brothers and sisters lest He spew you out of His mouth.

      I've done the research. I doubt you have, unless you count reading a few harshly biased books by people who have a demonic hatred of my people. Go to the sources themselves, don't rely on someone else to make your decision.

      Then look at the things we do: I count many messages in this little thread that claim their "Mormon" friends are reliable, charitable, trustworthy, and genuinely love their neighbors. Is that not what Christ meant when He said, "As I have loved you, love one another. By this shall men know that ye are my disciples"?

  • Joel

    I don't like Romney, specifically that he is a Temple Mormon elder and has given $millions to the Mormon church for the furtherance of their vile antichrist doctrines. I inherently distrust the man. However, you make some irrefutable Biblical arguments, and as a Bible student find them quite compelling. Specifically, since Daniel 4:17 clearly tells us that the LORD sets up kingdoms and gives them to the "basest of men". There must be a "pragmatic" reason for that and on its face it would seem that He expects His children to live out Christ before the wicked, to be the salt and light He has called us to be, and thereby "glorify our Father which is in Heaven", which is exactly what Daniel did.

    Thank you for your excellent piece it has given me much to think and pray about!

    A final comment to black "Christians". Obama clearly showed himself to be very hostile to believers, to traditional marriage and families and to Israel. He is also a grave enemy to the unborn. All of that was evident in 2008. My question to black believers throughout this country is why did you vote race rather than the Word of God in 2008? The black brethren in the church I attend had no problem, they voted the Bible, which made it impossible to vote for Obama.
    I personally like Allen West, a great American success with humble truly black American experience.

    • DrBarbara

      I grew up surrounded by Mormons. My step-mother was a Mormon. My best friend as a kid was a Mormon and I often went to church with her. After I became an adult and was faced with the question of whether I would become a Mormon or not, I began to study Mormonism. Yes, it is a cult. It does have secret rites and other issues that true Christianity does not commit to. There is no doubt whatsoever that it is NOT a Christian organization. HOWEVER, Mormons are peace-loving people, they are hard workers. They enjoy God's creation while taking care of the environment in a logical way. They are very helpful to anyone who needs a helping hand. They do send missionaries out to try to convert people to Mormonism, but they respect everyone's right to say no. They don't depend on the government for groceries. If someone has no food, they don't go to Social Services, they go to the church which will make sure that that person has what he/she needs. In many ways the Church of Latter Day Saints makes the true Church look anemic when it comes to "helping our neighbors."
      I would say to anyone wanting to know more about Mormonism to research it deeply. BUT I am encouraging everyone I know to vote for Mitt Romney. He is a successful business man, he is a devoted family man, he is NOT a Muslim, he does not come from a thugist background, he is anti-abortion, he is pro-family, he wants to put people back to work, he DOES pay his taxes (regardless of what Reid the Weed says), he is pro-Israel, he is anti-Iran. There are many more reasons to vote for him. But the best reason of all: HE'S NOT OBAMA!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rupert.e.cohen Rupert Edward Cohen

    You may argue it's OK for "Christians" to vote for Romney. But it's certainly not OK for CONSERVATIVES. See the Mitt Romney Report at MassResistance. http://www.massresistance.org/romney/ Both his record and recent statements reveal him to be at best a man without principle, or worse, a deceitful leftist.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      This article and your comment got me to thinking along this line: if Obama, as a Muslim, were Republican, would people be giving the same arguments against using personal belief systems and moral guidance to not vote for him as they are trying to use against people like me who have serious issues about voting for Romney? Because that is what is happening here: conservatives are being lambasted for having serious issues with Romney. In effect, we are being told to not vote our conscience by people who are filled with fear. We are being told to follow the crowd. We are being shamed and bullied into voting against our personal beliefs. In fact, the attitude now seems to be that voting according to one's personal beliefs is stupid, antiquated, moronic, idiotic, or any other number of derogatory terms; now we have to vote for the most electable; "God would have us vote for Romney," these people are saying. Scroll through MOST of the posts here and you will find MANY hateful attacks by conservatives towards other conservatives. It's sickening. Sounds more like a wonderful plan cooked up by liberals (in both Democratic AND Republican circles) to divide the party and win the election, whether that win is Obama or Romney.

      I've lost count of how many times I've seen this quote on this blog today: "A Vote Against Romney is a Vote For Obama."

      Uhm, NO! It's a vote according to my conscience. I wish for ONCE we'd get a real conservative to vote for without being blasted by supposed conservatives for not "toeing the party line." Well, I "toed the party line" in 2008. Look what it got us....

  • Gary

    Maybe I missed the chapters where Israel voted for Nebuchadnezzar, Antiochus III, etc. To accept, obey and honor the leaders God has given us -- and through whom He chooses to bless or chasten us -- is far different from choosing ungodly leaders.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      Precisely my thoughts on the matter! This article is another example of scripture yet again being taken out of context and twisted around to serve someone's gain, whether it's political or spiritual or financial, or whatever. Drives me bonkers! :-D lol

  • Paul

    I tire of responding to these religious bigots. They are either tools of the Obama spin machined or they are just plain ignorant. Last time I checked one of the ten commandments condemned by God was "bearing false witness". Gary Demar niether knows the theology of the LDS church or he is doing this intentionally. As I have said before the apostle Paul battled the gnostics in his day. And Mr. Demar's view of the god head is based on their ideas and sophistry. If you don't believe me look it up; it is in the New Testament. Mitt Romney will protect the Christianity religion and protect religious liberty. Not like the person who presently is President and his AG. He will appoint judges who will back off the war on Christianity being waged by the liberals in the courts and assisted by the Government. By the way Mr. Demar ignores how members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints deal with the poor. The Church's humanitarian efforts and its welfare system based on accountablity, self reliance, and work are the exact opposite of the Government's system that creates dependency. Since I am a Christian I will not call him and idiot, But he is doing the work for the president's reelection committee.

  • Aubrey Jack Young

    It is simple for me. I vote for the person that will do the best for our Nation. I generally don't care what their religious beliefs are or their secular beliefs are. I say generally as I don't trust those that follow Islam as it is a religion that wants to take over all aspects of a Nation and culture.

    I believe a person is good no matter his/her belief system religious or secular. Mormonism is a religion not a cult. Only the ignorant thinks so. Also, cults are not bad as many Religious Sects started out as a cult.

    Vote for the best person for our Nation no matter their Political Party, or a Labor Union if any. What matters is they put our Nation first and that is what is important. And if they don't do a good job, vote them out as well.

    Aubrey Jack Young

  • a concerned mom

    The Mormon we are considering for the presidency lives a life of high principles and values. He believes in hard work and that hard work should be rewarded. To me this is an American value. To remove the work requirement from welfare and to establish the highest tax America has ever known (Obamacare) put all future generations at a loss owing the world a debt that can never be paid. But then, isn't that what our current president wants - to level the global playing field by disarming and bankrupting America..

    • dontjst

      Great commentary! Keep it up!

  • ViRenie

    I would hope that God would just want the best man for the job. If Romney is misled thru the Mormon beliefs and Joseph Smith, God can fix that too, but Jesus also said, that if they're not against us, then they're for us. As long as Romney is for US and has Godly morals then I'm with everyone else, he's a lot better than Obama who seems to worship the Muslim religion and is hell bent on making a mess of our Country.

  • Russ Smith

    Th church of Jesus Christ is obviously A christian church. The dozens of other churches with other names are still christian are they not? Lutheren, Catholic, Baptist, etc. They are all believing in Christ. Latterday saints is a newer branch of the christian church with the same beliefs. basicly, just a different founder much like Martin Luther etc.

  • Michael

    You'd have to be either a Luciferian or totally ignorant to vote for Romney or Obama.

  • john in Texas

    The Religious aspect of this is irrelevant . The sad fact is, The presumptive nominee is in no way equipped to take on Obama , couldn't beat Obama with an A bomb . This should be obvious to even a casual observer . Hopefully during the RNC Convention common sense will prevail & the delegates will draft Gingrich as the GOP candidate . I say this , as Gingrich is more than amply equipped & skilled at such missions .. In case you didn't notice Romney is not the nominee so far. I don;'t have to remind anyone , this Election could very well be the beginning of the end. This is no time to send a Boy Scout to a fire fight .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Brown/100001040612639 Randy Brown

    I know nothing of theology, but I do know Biblical, Godly principle, and Mitt Romney has built his life on these. It is impossible to succeed without following Biblical principle, and Romney has succeeded at everything his hands have touched.
    I would rather have someone in the Oval Office who will make decidions based on Godly principle than someone who consistently denies them for a failed ideology.
    To deny Romney a vote because he doesn't go to YOUR church is the same hubris you accuse the present occupant of having. God expects humility and common sense from us. Use both. Don't be a Pharasee. They were adamant in refusing the proper leader because he didn't fit thier definition of what he was supposed to be. They were dead wrong. Don't you be.

  • outsidethebox

    An interesting article however those Kings weren't voted in to power by the people. We Christians have the ability to vote for a Christian president of our country now. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord and vote accordingly

  • http://www.facebook.com/june.larsen.129 June MacGregor Larsen

    I AM NOT VOTING FOR A MINISTER! i am voting for the president of the USA! Mitt Romney has the integrity, PROVEN business acumen, morality, love and loyalty to his wife and family, and love of country necessary to revive America. While being a born again Christian would be a plus - I have observed that Christians, by and large, are the least of all people to run for public office!!! God cannot be everywhere so HIS command is to do HIS work on earth!! That does mean serving our country in whatever capacity you can!!! George Washington was a Christian and a fine president!! NOWHERE in my Bible do I find that a person has to be an Evangelical Christian to be the absolute choice of God in Heaven for great positions here on Earth!! A truly decent person will do just as well!!
    You've tried Satan and his accomplices in the current administration!! Aren't you tired of all the lies, slandering, false inuendoes by a man and the party who cannot stand on his record -- so Obama and the Democrats have to use Chicago gutter politics to try to keep the POWER they so desperately want to hold on to?
    It will be pleasant to have a man of Mitt Romney's integrity as the President of the USA.
    If he could single-handedly reconcile the 1999-2002 Olympic Committee and the countries of the World into all working together to actually bring the 2002 Olympics into being a reality ------ Just think what Mitt Romney could do to bring America back to being respected again!!!
    Mitt Romney's financial and business knowledge took the Olympics of 2002 from being $400 Million in debt - to being over $100 Million in the black!!!
    With the $100 Million that was left , he established a trust fund for future Olympians!!
    Many of these 2002 Olympians have banded togather to extol the gentleman whose wisdom gave them hope!!
    Would God approve of Mitt Romney? Much more so than Soetoro/Obama!!
    May the God of creation have mercy on us all!!
    "If you vote for a known person of evil, you are just as guilty of treason as they are"!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Please let me know when you receive God's approval of a one-world government, Nazi fascist, who illegally rigs elections to subvert the vote--don't worry, we'll wait. We don't oppose Romney for being Mormon, who cares? We oppose Romney because he's a criminal whose thrown an election and a one-world statist, whose publicly defined political goal is the overthrow of constitutional government in America.

  • Talltrees

    Let's not pick and choose verses from the Bible to support agendas. Surely, God would want a Christian president, but it's up to us to choose. He doesn't place leaders in all countries. He allows what we deserve for the purpose of teaching us lessons. Unfortunately, those of us faithful to our God and Jesus Christ must suffer in order to teach unbelievers, hard lessons.
    God would rather see Romney than a Muslim, believer of the pagan, Mohammad, but let's not sit back and allow a Muslim Communist to continue in office because God might not intervene. If we allow Obama to stay, we get what we deserve. Unfortunately, it appears there are more satan followers than God followers.
    Many of us have the wisdom, but not enough of us to win. We need a miracle to save this country. Pray!

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnie.bentley Johnie Bentley

    I find it hard to believe any Christian is stupid enough to seriously consider this issue. Every Mormon I know is a wonderful person. I never met a muslim I liked and I never met a Mormon who believed he should kill me if I disagreed with his faith or felt my beautiful wife should cover her face or that my daughters were second class humans. Ya gotta be kidding me.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      i was asked by a Muslim Iranian doctoral student at Stanford to edit and type his doctoral dissertation and he would pay me (an agreed upon amount satisfactory to me for the amount of work it would entail). He wanted to make certain his English grammar and syntax were correct, as well as all his documentation was in the required format. When i finished the work, which was considerable, he told me to come eat with him and his family for the breaking of the fast of ramadan and he would pay me then. So, my children and i went and had a very fine meal. His wife and daughter were not allowed to eat at the table with us, even though my daughter was. i asked him about that and he told me that my daughter was a guest so he was making an exception. Then, he grinned and said, "You don't really expect me to pay you for this, do you?" (Meaning the dissertation typing and editing). I asked, "Why wouldn't you? Did your adviser find problems with the format, spelling or documentation was incorrectly formatted?" He said, "No, I got an excellent grade on it and I've passed my orals. The reason I'm not going to pay you is because you are not Muslim, and when we take over America, I will gladly slit your throat if you do not convert." He said all this with a smile, then got up and opened the door for us to leave.

      On the other hand, i have worked for Mormons who treated me with kindness and respect, paid me adequately, and were kind and helpful to me in many ways. We had great theological discussions which i enjoyed immensely, but i still do not consider them Christian because of their theology. However, they are great neighbors, kind friends, and certainly Mitt Romney, i believe will be a good POTUS. My vote is for Romney, and i AM voting my conscience. I am not voting for the Preacher or the Religious Leader of the USA, i am voting for the President of the USA - a formidable job that requires knowledge of business, leadership abilities, and the willingness to work with Congress instead of constantly battling them. i believe Mitt fits the bill. There are aspects of his past issues with which i do not agree, but i do see him as a man willing to change directions if he believes the will of the people does not support his current strategy.

      A write-in vote for Paul is a vote for Obama!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ralph.filicchia Ralph Filicchia

    These Christians who will not vote for Romney because of his church make me ashamed to be a Christian. Not because that's not nice--but because it's stupid! If the pipes in your house break and it's getting flooded, do you refuse to hire the plumber who can fix things because he's a Mormon? Would anyone really be that dumb?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      Yeah, i think actually some of those who post here have exactly that mentality!

  • RobfromVA

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Kings were elected, so no one had to worry about who they were voting for to lead them.

    Here is my litmus test, What Would Jesus Do. Yea, I know that phrase is old and worn out but, would Jesus truly vote for someone who is for civil unions of gays and has voted for the murder of the unborn? Or, would he vote for the most Christian of all the candidates, as he would know none of us are perfect?

    Somehow it appears we are putting our faith in man rather than God. Sure, Obama wins if we vote for an independent Christian and take the Republican vote. And I for one think our nation will be totally destroyed by him if he is re-elected. But, if we are truly honoring God with our vote, doesn't he have the power to fix our nation. I guess what I'm saying is this, if every Christian voted for a true Christian candidate, no matter what party affiliation, with God's help who could win besides him?

    We all know what 2 Chronicles 7:14 says,, "humble ourselves and turn from our wicked ways... God will bless our land". Turning from evil may include refusing to vote for those who have governed against God's word during their political carrier. One thing I do know, I will be bathing my vote in a great deal of prayer, asking for God's guidance on this one!

    • AnsonMac

      When I was a christian, and in seminary, I would say that NEITHER candidate was a 'good christian man'
      One allows the death of fetjuses, who could become people, and
      The Other worships wealth over all else.

      I look.at these things, right now, from a purely economkic.view... because.NEITHER ONE does what christ would have...

      What should a christian do?
      Vote for death, or vote for greed?
      Neitherone isin HIS teachings

  • TxGCB

    I think Mr. Obama would like the collapse. He believes it would make all things equal. NO Haves and no Have-nots. But it will lead to chaos and then to anarchy and then to the State. But I believe the same hardworking innovators will again continue to rise to the top. Things are not meant to be equal other than those god-given freedoms we have always enjoyed.

  • Chris Golis

    I have never read such twisted convoluted reasoning in all my life. This is the saddest and worst form of rationalizing I have ever seen. A friend of mine asked a question a while back and no one answered it. I will try to do it justice here. If Obama's opponent in this election cycle were a true fiscal conservative who believed and upheld the Constitution (unlike Romney), but was a high priest in the First Church of Satan, would you still support, campaign and vote for him?

  • CalPaul

    As a "Christian" is it OK to vote for a communist?

    Orthodox Christians don't believe "Mormons" are Christian because they don't hold with the orthodox view of the trinity that first appeared in the 4th century? It was not until the 16th century that a contemporary of Calvin declared a belief in the orthodox view of the trinity as a requirement to be a Christian. Who was he to make this a requirement? Gee, can I make an arbitrary requirment that nobody is a Christian unless they believe exactly as I do? Unlike most "Christian" churches, the "Mormon" church has the name of the savior in the name of their church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Guess that makes them Hindu. . . .

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      Well, obviously you don't know your church history as well as you think you do. Better go back to the Scriptures. Are you a "one-ness" ?

  • jtsgrandmom

    The debate at its root is false, the question for all Americans of all persuasions is simply, "Will a Romney presidency stop the slide to extinction that the federal gov't has incrementally installed over the past decades? Globalism or NWO as is commonly understood, is a direct assault on our national sovereignty, even survival. It is responsible for the export of our industry, jobs, wealth overseas and the import of populations, both legal and illegal, whose cultures have no understanding of Republic, Bill of Rights, all from either, socialist, communist or dictatorships. This influx I contend, a deliberate act by the feds to dissolve American hegemony, culture and with it, Constitutional law, especially the Bill of Rights.

    If you have followed this far, the point here is, which of the two candidates will not support this continued path toward One World Order, "global economy," with the centralized rule of ONE globalist oligarchy?

    And the answer is: Neither.

    Romney made his fortune as a vulture capitalist. I assert it takes a deliberate decision to practice the willful ignorance required to deny this.

    Is Romeny's globalist advocation any better, any less evil than Obama's?

    Is there EVER a time for Americans and especially "Christians" to stand on the side of evil, no matter how "lesser" it is presented?

    Once again, the two parties combine to not offer choices but present NO choice, NO fundamental difference in ultimate goal.

    Good example? Conservatives rose up vociferously and relentlessly against socialist health control called "Obamacare." Many of the same people who are vicerally against Obamacare have become apologetics for socialist health control called Romneycare.

    Can anyone PLEASE, explain to me how socialist medicine is any more palatable when shoved down our throats by the GOP instead of the Democrats? What are the distinctions between the perceived "lesser" evil called Romneycare and Obamacare?

    And most of all, how can any American, Christian or not, vote for socialism, be it "evil" or some false logic of "lesser" evil?

    • Word is Out

      Moron Alert !!!

      • jtsgrandmom

        I have found that when people can not answer on point, they have no point to make.
        Instead, they resort to "politics of personal destruction," often villified by self proclaimed "conservatives," but practiced by them, just as diligently, nonetheless.
        Please, after you cross the learning curve and get up to speed, feel free to come back and go toe to toe with me in political debate.
        Until then, content yourself with dealing with other ignoramus, know it all, "my opinion trumps constitutional law," political neophytes.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      Amen and amen and amen! I especially like when you ask if there is EVER a time for Americans, especially "Christians," to stand on the side of evil, no matter how "lesser" it is presented. The answer, of course, is NO! This smells strongly of a nefarious plan cooked up by liberals (in the Democrat AND Republican party) to get another liberal in office, whether that liberal goes by "Barak Hussein Obama," the Muslim, or "Mitt Romney," the Mormon.

      How have we gotten to THIS point in America where our "choices" are between a Mormon and a Muslim? Between two liberals, one who calls himself a "democrat progressive," and the other who calls himself a "republican with progressive views?" Seriously?!

      God have mercy, and vote your conscience on election day: that's all anyone can be expected to do, even under the best of circumstances.

      It's sickening, though, to see a huge majority of conservatives on this forum bash other conservative for having the temerity speak for voting one's conscience. WAKE UP CONSERVATIVES!!!! If we all had voted our conscience and not given into the liberal line for the past 100 years, we wouldn't be in this crap hole we're in now!

      And the separation between the sheep and the goats continue....

      • jtsgrandmom

        The paradigm today was coined by Thomas Jefferson who called the current process "elective despotism" George Washington warned us not to allow a two party system replace Constitutional Republic and John Adams feared all that has become commonplace.
        WTP have allowed "Party" to supplant itself between us and our system of laws, even to the point of GIVING final authority OVER the Constiutiton and against all logic, cede authority to them to break it routinely, break faith with it both in letter and design.
        Instead, we buy into these false debates inserted by the renegade federal (and now state) regimes, argue THEIR talking points instead of standing back and saying "Wait one second! How and where in THE PEOPLES law or granted authority is the fed's right to control health care, choices, treatments, even to right to life?"
        "Where do you find constitutional authority to cancel the Bill of Rights with the TRAITOR Act, culminating with NDAA in the cancellation of Posse Comitatus?"
        These just two examples of this ersatz, poseur regime overwhelming and overtaking our great nation.
        Far from following their talking points, their definitions, their restrictions, we should have but ONE litmus test and it ain't "party."
        "Is it constitutional? No?? Then HELL, NO! WE WON'T GO!"

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          I used to not understand why George Washington didn't want parties. I used to get ticked at that! How dare he?! Well, I looked at my husband a few years ago and said, "NOW I get it. A house divided against itself cannot stand." And this is what has happened, in the worst possible way. Now even so-called "conservatives" are attacking their own, in a most unattractive, liberal way. Case-and-point, the rude, childish, foolish commenter below, "Word is Out," who shows his/her blatant stupidity by employing ridiculous name-calling techniques most people grow out of by the time they reach 16 or so. Is this meant to embarrass or shame you into being quiet? I'm not for sure. People like "Word is Out" annoy me. My children acted better than that by the time they were 4 years old.

          I also used to think I was conservative. Now I realize I wasn't. I was Republican, which is a whole other creature. Nicer and more gentler in some ways than the liberal creature, but the same evil lurks within: they all want to tear up the Constitution and control the masses by establishing THEIR idea of government, not our Constitutional republic. The Democrats come from the left and rush headlong into socialism/communism; the Republicans come from the right and want to ease into it, but at the heart, it's all the same. And "The People" have allowed it to happen. My parents and their parents and their parents have left ME and my children and their children with THIS tyrannical sham of a government.

          So again, I'm brought to the only solution: I vote my conscience. Sometimes it DOES mean voting for someone I don't really agree with completely in order to get someone out of office that is truly un-American. Not so in this case.

          First of all, because regardless of the fear-mongoring, Romney is NOT conservative. Secondly, I DO have another choice.

        • jtsgrandmom

          Mr. Quigley was a member and planner within the globalist organization, the fruition of whose goals we witness today. Would ask you to read what he said and in the context of how the terms "liberal/conservative" and the Parties that were "supposed" to represent them, was deliberately inserted into the nation's dichotomy. I contend, since you never hear those words or any like them from the founders' lips, they have no place in constitutional design and system, at all.
          Indeed, the Constitution is not as claimed by both (invented) "factions, either a "conservative" or liberal," or for that matter "living, breathing, morphing" set of laws as has been (IMO) inserted as disinfo, into the public sphere. The truth about the "two party" system is contained below, why the global cartel inserted it into our debate and HOW they "mind-ipulated" a population into a continued "civil war" against each other, instead of the "revolution" we should be prosecuting, (bloodless but weaponizing our constitutional rights of nullification), against the true traitors of our republic.

          "The argument that the two parties
          should represent opposed ideals and policies,
          one,
          perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable
          only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers.
          Instead, the two
          parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the
          rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts
          in policy." ~
          Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our
          Time

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-Glenn-Koons/1313421958 Kenneth Glenn Koons

    Mitt is not running for the Kingdom of God presidency. That is Jesus' alone. Mitt is running to aid the USA, Consti, fiscally, and in foreign policy . All of which have been destroyed by Obama and the Reid Dems. As a Christian pastor, retired, and college teacher, retired, you bet I am voting for Mitt and the GOP.

  • jfrnkln

    No one else to vote for.......I'm for Romney.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patricia-Neal-Moreno/1617333102 Patricia Neal-Moreno

    No it's NOT ok for Christians to vote for Romney. It has nothing to do with his religion, I could care less about that. I do care very much that his actions demonstrate a man more than willing to start, more wars. Jesus said blessed are the peacemakers, blessed are the merciful. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. There is only one Candidate who promotes peace and mercy, One candidate who is Pure of heart, and that man is Ron Paul.

  • Anne_PA

    "But we know what Obama is."

    IF one is depending on...

    "... has experience in the private sector as a healer of fallen businesses.
    He’s a grown-up. As governor of the most liberal state in the union, he
    was willing to try to get as much as he could. He’s a member of a
    religious sect that was responsible for defeating queer marriage in
    California. He’s pledged to act conservatively if elected"

    ... then one only knows what Romney wants you to know.

    Romney is "not Obama" is a valid reason to vote for Romney, but no one really knows what we'd be getting.

  • Word is Out

    Vote for Jock, he'll support us all !!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jayne-Nielsen/100000024501720 Jayne Nielsen

    Right now we have a so-called "Christian" in office who supports gay marriage, abortion, premaritial sex (contraception issue), who has stripped religious organizations of their religous rights, condemns America for its Exceptionalism, who favors Muslim beliefs over Christian beliefs, and people have an issue over Romney's Mormon faith?!
    Let me say one thing, I seriously doubt Mitt Romney will ever shove his faith down our throats as the current White House Occupier has done with his Muslim faith. AND I believe Mitt Romney TRULY LOVES THIS COUNTRY. Obama only loves this Country when it can serve his purpose. Other than that, he has no loyalty or respect for America or Americans.
    I'll take MItt over him any day and November can't come fast enough.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      Yes, Jayne - Obama has celebrated the Muslim Ramadan in the White House each year since he has been in office, but he refuses to make a proclamation for the National Day of Prayer - which doesn't even state that it must be a "Christian" prayer. He also didn't ask his protocol officer to instruct him on how the Chanukah candles were to be lighted, so he just lit all of them at one time. He has no respect for any customs except for the traditions of Islam. He bows to the Muslim Imams, but he insults Queen Elizabeth; he has consistently shown disdain for Israel, but gives the Muslims who emigrate a free pass, along with free housing, medical care, food stamps, etc... He has no love for America, but he is a dedicated Marxist-Communist and so are his cohorts, Alinsky and Soros. So far, Congress has failed to reign him in, and even his AJ scoffs at the law even after being found guilty of all the charges related to the gun running scandal. There is no possible way this country can survive as a free country if we have four more years of the Obama-Soros-Alinsky thugs. A vote for Paul is a vote for Obama. Do i believe that God is Sovereign - yep, but not in the way the Five-Point-Calvinists do!

  • Samtman

    I don't think it is because he wants to take away the food stamp program fro the poor, the unemployed, also, does not want to extend the unemployment Comp. extension .He also wants get rid of the Affordabel Health CAre proram that is already helping many poor and people who have lost their jobs because of outsourcing and the great recession of 2008. That is not I believe the Christian way to deny help to people who need it. The problem is that when you loose your job you also loose your health care. That is why polls show, that when people loose their jobs , the President has their back much moret than Romney. The feeling is that Romney has no Idea what its like when your poor or loose your job. Mitt Romeney was lucky to have been born in to a very rich family. President Obama came up the hard way. Romney has so much money that he is able to fund his own reelection with some 40 million dollars. I don't think one should be abel to buy his own elected office like Mayor Bloomburg, but, it does not say so in the Constituton.

  • downs1

    As an Evangelical Christian, I do not agree with the theology of Mormonism. As a person, I have worked with Mormons while practicing medicine in the military, and as a retired pastor, I have friends who are Mormons. While I do not ascribe to their theology, I find no Biblical reason not to vote for Mitt Romney. I believe he is more honest, more experienced and certainly more trustworthy than Barack Obama. He loves this country, something which Barack Obama does not by his very comments, actions and policies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rhonda-Reichel/1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

    Well if PEACE is the factor Mitt is not eligible...right now he wants to attack Iran, and keep us embroiled in the middle east so that one thing disqualifies him....not to mention all the lying, tax dodging, draft dodging, flip flopping

    • dontjst

      He didn't say that. Have you joined the Harry Reid Liars and Slanderers club?

    • Edward53

      For supposedly being a Christian you sure spew alot of lies and hatred. Romney hasn't said one thing about invading Iran. We also know that you Paulbots love Iran and the murderous Palestinians. You all think it's perfectly fine that Iran is developing nukes. It's no wonder that all of you hate Israel and the Jews. You traitors are all Nazis.

  • Carmelo Junior

    Mormons are racist elites following a lunatic pervert like Joseph Smith

    • LeSellers

      Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

  • 1withthefoundingfathers2

    I love my country, I value the constitution as I do scripture, I value the founding fathers as the wisest people that God raised up to help write the constitution. The constitution, if followed as the founding fathers intended will keep us free. "By their fruits ye shall know them." Obama's fruits have been, in all cases, something to destroy our freedom and our constitution. He is an evil man, and no one who follows him or plans on voting for him has any instruction at all in the constitution as was laid out by the founding father. In fact, those who vote for Obama have had nothing but a liberal education and are robots when it comes to politics. Our national cry at this time should be "One nation under God", not one "Obamination." Romney is a good man, a moral and decent man. He will lead this country according to constitutional values. Mormon people, who practice their religion as it is supposed to be are very good people. He believes in Jesus Christ as his Savior. Just because some of his believes about God or Jesus differ from some others Christian churches does not make him a non Christian. By their fruits ye shall know them. Romney is known for decency everywhere he has gone. Shame on any of you for calling him not a Christian. What right has anyone, believing in Jesus as our Savior, to call another person who believes in Jesus as our Savior a non Christian or a cult. Are you known to be a person who has left good fruits wherever you have gone? Judge yourself!

  • Mike

    God loved us into existence but gave us and others free will because, while he gave us a free pass into this world, we have to earn are way to heaven. Therefore, he is not directing the events and changes in our daily lives and we must become active disciples and keep Marxists like Obama and company from destroying our country and our freedom to worship as we please.

  • JasonC

    This article is very ignorant as to whats really going on. I'm not saying we need "perfectionism" as the writer claims, the problem is Romney is totally sold out, bought and paid for just like Obama. Not to mention the fact that he's a total flip-flopping phony. Who laid out the blue-print for Obamacare? That's right, your man Romney. Now all the sudden he's against it? Wake up. Stop being so easily duped by this wolf in sheep's clothing. The reason this country is in the mess it's in is because of conservatives compromising and supporting phony politicians like Romney. If Christians won't stand by their principles, then who will?

    • LeSellers

      How does a law in ONE state, one with only about 20 pages, become "the blueprint" for O'bamaDontCare with its 2,700 pages, that will condemn the entire country?

      The citizens of Massachusetts actively wanted their state-run health insurance system. Romney delivered what the people who elected him asked for. But that system is not the same thing as O'bamaDontCare.

    • Edward53

      Someday, when you grow up, hopefully you will understand what your messiah, Ron Paul, is all about. He really has you SHEEP fooled.

  • Pam

    I feel like Hannity says: I'd vote for a potted plant, before I would vote for Obama! Let's hope our votes will be counted legally. No more votes from "mickey mouse"!

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.anderson.3975 Roger Anderson

    Since the president's father was a muslim marxist terrorist and his mother was a communist, it is very likely that his professed Christian beliefs are a sham and just another one of his grotesque political lies. He can read "I am a Christian" off of a TV monitor, but off-camera he is the supreme anti-Christian.
    Mormons are members of a cult and certainly are not followers of Jesus, but I have met dozens of Mormons and have got to know several very well. Two of my doctors are Mormons. Mormons are good, moral, honest, family-oriented, caring, decent American Citizens. I have no trouble voting for a Mormon; they are not going to have undue, outside influences. I also have no trouble voting for a Jew who is that rare, nominal Conservative like Joe Lieberman. There is no way I could vote for a muslim who is a follower of islam.
    I am a traditional-Conservative, Evangelical Christian and I would have more trouble voting for a Catholic than a Mormon. To be fair, I would have still have to vet any candidate before I would vote for them. I have vetted Mitt Romney and I will vote for him. I may have to hold my nose when I am in the voting booth, but I am still voting for him. I urge all Christians to vote for Mitt, if we don't Satan will maintain control of the white house and this could be America's last election.

  • randellmd

    Many fellow "Christians" voted for a muslim to be prez in 2008 so yes it is okay. The difference is Romney is an American and a patriot regardless of his religion. Mormons do love this country and are moral respectful hard working ppl.

  • CajunPatriot

    Amen!

  • Tom W

    Give me Romney any day over the Marxist we have now....How much more is it going to take for us to wake up? PLEASE do the right thing this time..Listen to GBTV every chance you get...On your computer!!!!! Beck is laying it out there for us to see.

  • Dr. Pete Kleff

    Shades of 1960. Can we vote for a Catholic? One would think over the last 40+ years Americans would have matured. Here's the answer: Romney is a good man, Obama is not. Could it be any more clear?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615406707 Ginny Lee Moss

    Amen! This is a great article! "Since when do political leaders heal ailments? That’s the Church’s job. What we want from them is peace."

    People, imo, need to stand on their own Christian principles, and vote for a truly smart, educated, experienced, and level-headed person to lead the country in political matters.

    Stop looking for a "pastor" (you should already have one) and give credit to a man who has good business experience, a great family, and the courage to try and turn this country in the right direction, again.

  • dontjst

    Once again, religion has no place in our government. As soon as we begin
    interjecting religion into our government we become no better than England of the 16th century and the Church of England or the Islamic Republics. It's a wonderful thing that
    many of our elected officials have their faith, but it should not be part of
    their governing, lest we forsake the intentions of or forefathers. We are, fundamentally, a nation of religious tolerance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DZK2DD6Q5DSXKMDADLOX4BXKYM Anthony

    May the Lord strike dead any Christian, any religious person, who votes democrat. For they are voting for their own destruction and the destruction of every person of faith in our country.

  • Tom W

    Remember, There are several Mormons serving us today.I beleive Dingy Harry is one but all are not like him......Glen Beck is a Morman but sounds like a more sincere Christian than lots of solid Christians I know ...Romney over Obamalony ant day.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615406707 Ginny Lee Moss

      True. And many good Christian pastors, teachers, and leaders support Glenn Beck. (Harry is just one of the 'weeds' and he'll be out, soon.)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      You don't mean Harry Reid, do you? He most definitely is NOT anything, but especially not Mormon! Orrin Hatch is a Mormon, and he's been a stable voice for the Constitution, morality and the rule of law in Congress. Glen Beck is a one of a kind, good man!

      • Gregory A. Swarthout

        Harry Reid is Mormon. Look it up!

  • Art of Yorba Linda

    my opinion: when you are standing in a barrel of cow flop and someone comes along and throws a bucket of the other stuff in your face are you going to duck.....to me that is the choice we will have to make in November.....I hate bad choices but this person is not going to duck.

    • dontjst

      Unclear message!

  • S LaBoon

    I am a Christian and I am a Mormon. We do not accept the typical view of 'Trinity' because we do not believe God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one. We believe they are one in purpose - but three separate and distinct beings. This much I can testify: Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I know that I cannot enter His presence without His grace - both for this life and the hereafter. That is my view and the Mormon view.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevan-Rowlee/1202547423 Kevan Rowlee
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Thompson/100000062046031 Diane Thompson

    Romney will make a GREAT president. Yes, I too am a Mormon and know his work ethic, his principles, his dedication to our Savior, and many other wonderful qualities of this man. If people want Odummer to complete his job of destroying America, then they will be foolish and vote for him...Mitt is very "frugal" and if he's that way with his own money, he'll be that way with our country's money!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000000541834 Ted Smith

    Mitt Romney is a Mormon who actively lives his faith. There is no taint of immorality in his
    life. He has given tens of millions
    to his church and tithes regularly and gave away the money he inherited. Romney gives to his church and charities more
    than Obama makes in a year. Romney is a better Christian than his critics.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      I suppose a man who supports fascism and slavery is moral by your standards.

  • TheGizmo51

    No.

  • Jimbo

    I will vote for Romney. He is more organized and in tune with Gods will than many of you know or understand. Many Christians trash the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because you think it isnt the traditional born again whatever church.... The problem with many of you is your stuck on the "Traditional Church". It warns us in the scriptures to do away with traditions. It states in the Bible that there will be an apostasy and later a restoration. If you study at all, you know there was an apostasy. Show me how any of the traditional churches were "Restored". Just because someone changes his thoughts and understanding of the Scriptures doesnt mean it was restored!
    No I am not trying to be contraversial. I just want you to think about it. Sit silently and let the spirit talk to you. All i see of the Christian shows on tv is... here is some alelujas here and there, have faith, you will be healed... hail Jesus... and then at the end.. Give me money... The pastors and all walk around in expensive suits, drives expensive cars, draped with a robe, .. all "look at me" type of actions. I thought Paul and all the appostles went out without purse or script!! I dont see that from Mormons. They go about their life trying not to bring attention to themselves religiously in public. Yea they send out missionaries all over the world, but they dont force anyone to believe. The Mormons like excellence like everyone else. Yes they have members that dont obey just like every other church does. They have their free agency to choose just like you do.
    Show me in the scriptures where you have to have a degree or graduate from some school to be a preacher.. show me!!
    Look around at most of the natural disasters that we have had just in the USA alone. Who is one of the first responders? The LDS church... They have trucks that go everyday all of the USA moving goods, services, supplies. Show me any other organization that equals it!! They dont ask for anything in return. Talk about true Christianity. Give to the poor, the needy, the down hearted...etc. Show me!!
    There will come a day, when most Christians will realize that their paradigm of the LDS church is wrong. Dont be caught there.
    With just some of the most obvious things that are right in front of you, It amazes me that they still choose Obama and run down Romey. Amazing.
    Jimbo

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      We don't choose Obama, nor do we choose your beloved criminal, the filth of the GOP establishment, Mitt (world government) Romney.

      • Jimbo

        Becareful what you choose..... you just might get it.. It may not be what you wanted and then your stuck with the consequenses... The world is shrinking. we must figure out a way to remain a soveriegn nation as well as a leading player in the world. doing so does not mean we have to sell out to the world and give control to others for anything within our boarders. I declare that your view of the filth of the GOP is nothing compared to the muck of the liberals. For them its just one lie after another. Open you eyes and ears and listen to the muck the Obamas and freinds are spuing out of their mouths. Lies always have a way of being proven...

  • Dennis

    I am a Christian, and I hear all these skeptics about Ron Paul. But it is never too late folks...He can still be our president! I do not see what people have against Ron Paul. He may not be perfect but he is by FAR better than Romney or Obama. Why is it so hard for people to push to get Ron Paul in? He IS a Christian, he IS more conservative by FAR than either of the clowns, and he ONLY votes according to the Constitution. I see people saying Romney is more conservative than Ron Paul...are you serious??? 6 years ago (possibly less) Romney was FOR gun control, FOR abortion, FOR national healthcare, FOR higher taxes, FOR everything we as Republicans are against! I do not understand why so many people here are blinded to this fact?

    "
    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      I agree with you! And as far as me voting for whom.... I don't know! I know what my heart tells me is right to do, and I know what fear is saying all around me (the majority of the posts here are a good example of that....), but it is going to be the hardest, soul-wrenching election for me to vote in.

      For me, voting for McCain in 2008 was voting for the proverbial "lesser of two evils."

      Voting for Ron Paul would be, for me, voting for the proverbial, "lesser of two evils" this year. I generally like Ron Paul and agree in spirit with the basic tenants of Libertarianism AND the fact that he seems to be a staunch Constitutionalist - which we NEED to get back to as a nation! But I mostly do not agree with what he has said about his foreign policy or his lackadaisical views of Islam, which is why he'd be the "lesser of two..." But I'd still vote for him, if given a choice between him and Obama. Heck, I'd vote for him if given a choice between him and the HUGE majority of the so-called "Conservative Republicans" out there!

      But voting for Romney? For me, this is NOT a case of voting for the lesser of two evils.

      I can't vote for either Romney or Obama, and that is my HEART. Actually having to DO that is another thing.... I'm trying to work it out! lol

  • Dennis

    I am a Christian. I am also an American citizen. It is our civil duty to go out and vote. So fine, Romney is a Mormon and by definition is not a Christian. So what are you going to do then, vote for Obama? I didn't think so.

    • SpudPicker

      By who's definition is he not a Christian? Have you ever attended a service. Do so before making judgement.
      Do you know how the founder of Mormonism died? He was set upon by a bunch of "Cristians" and killed, no doubt as a gesture of the "brotherly love" they were taught by their "Cristian" churches..

  • kid721952

    This election is NOT ABOUT RELIGION,this election WILL effect ALL religions but this election will determine whether you have freedom and that includes freedom of religion,freedom of speech,freedom of privacy,wealth,protection,there is SO MUCH MORE involved come november election.Do you want obama and socialism,government control,NO 2nd amendment from thieves,killers,gangs,drug dealers,kidnappers,third world countries and even our own government,re-education camps for people who DON'T want socialism,rationed healthcare BY THE GOVERNMENT,sharia law that will drasticley effect ALL FEMALES(your wives,your daughters,thier daughters and grandchildren) OR vote Romney,regardless of religion,you want christianity or islamistism,reduced taxes,better healthcare,jobs,less unemployment,less entitlements,more drilling for OUR OWN OIL that will be kept in the United States and the revenues being spent and put back into our economy.Thats your choice,you choose

    • dontjst

      The voice of reason!

  • Virenie

    Exodus 18:2121But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. "Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual - or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country." --Samuel Adams, in the Boston Gazette, 1781
    "In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character." --Noah Webster
    "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

  • Dennis

    Mormon or Muslim. You choose. I'll take the Mormon.

  • D. Guardian

    He is for abortion, I'm not. I will not vote for anybody who is pro abortion, period. I already checked Mitt Romney and abortion, did not liked what he said. mao-mama? Don't like him either. Checking that bunch of liars is very easy these days. I'm sitting this one out.

    • dontjst

      And helping give Obama another four years to destroy the country?

    • dontjst

      And helping give Obama another four years to destroy the country?

    • SpudPicker

      Your choice is pretty small this time. Obama has sent our tax money to foreign countries for abortions.
      If you are looking for a perfect candidate, I don't think there is one. Go for the lesser of two "evils!"
      As for me, if a woman wants an abortion, let her or her boyfriend pay for it. Don't let her stick the taxpayer with the tab. Same goes for contraception. I don't want to pay for his and her fun and games.

  • SickoftheBS

    Why would you not vote for Romney, there were christians that voted for a muslim last time.

    • SpudPicker

      Why would any Christian vote for a Muslim over a Mormon?
      Do they prefer Mohammed to Jesus?
      Mohammed conquered and converted by the sword, Jesus by love and example and allowed people to accept or reject his teachings.
      To me the choice is clear in November.

  • kathgab

    What a really dumb question!

  • http://www.facebook.com/leprecaun14456 Robert Myles

    I'll Take a Mormon who atleast does have some actual Christian believes, mormon is not anti christ or athiest. It certainly is way better than having a muslim moron from either kenya or indonesia who welcomes the muslim brotherhood to the oval office and the institution of Sharia law into our courts

  • http://www.facebook.com/leprecaun14456 Robert Myles

    I'll Take a Mormon who atleast does have some actual Christian believes, mormon is not anti christ or athiest. It certainly is way better than having a muslim moron from either kenya or indonesia who welcomes the muslim brotherhood to the oval office and the institution of Sharia law into our courts

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2AVJPI5GUHJ4ATJHTYC26RUDFA Mike

    It's OK for anyone with half the brain God gave a gnat who is, not only unsatisfied but, scared at the direction this country is going. If you thought 2008 was "time for change", I hope you have figured out that some changes can be bad. We need change alright but Obama's brand of change is bad news for everyone.

  • TommeB

    Why do you waste web time and space over silly questions as this one? It reduces your repsect and authority.
    Yes it is Ok to vote for anyone else but Mr godless. He doesn't even have the courage to stand up for what he does or doesn't believe. If he is an atheist or muslim then let him say so. It is better than being like the media who claim to be neutral yet hate the LORD God with a passion and anyone who will stand up for HIM.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000000541834 Ted Smith

    Romney is a Mormon who practices his faith daily. He actively lives his faith. There is no taint of immoral behavior in his
    life.
    He has given tens of millions to his church and tithes regularly. He gave away most of the money he inherited
    from his father. Romney gives to his
    church and charities more than Obama makes in a year.
    Romney is a better Christian than those who say he isn’t one.

    • GoldenRudy

      Nicely put.

  • ezekiel22

    Some don't seem or want to understand that we are not voting for a minister. We are voting for the presisent. Some may remeber the hullabaloo that Kennedy was a Catholic or that Nixon was a Quacker. So what?
    I figure that most of the negative responses here are Obama moles trying to keep people divided to split the vote so their man wins. Others are Paulbots that will scream end of the world if Obama wins and yet claim innocence even if shown their votes would have carried the day. Of course there are those that are of the OMG he's a Mormon crowd. Nothiong can be done there.
    The Tea Party has had some impressive wins so far this year and is showing some momentum. The establishment GOP is scared right now and as long as we can keep the pressure up we can have a voice in policy. If we allow Obama to win we have seen what he will do to circumvent the law to accomplish his agenda. I say to the purists go ahead and vote for Romney and vote to get the RINO's out so a difference can be made in Congress. If you vote Paul just because come the following Wednesday look in the mirror and ask what have you done? The answer will be just what Axelrod wanted you to do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      We will vote for a legal candidate: Neither Romney nor Obama are legitimate. The destruction of both the GOP and the Democratic Parties are necessary to ensure America's survival, if at all. Doesn't matter to me which group of Nazi sewage goes first.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      And yet there are others of us who are neither Obama moles nor Paulbots, as you so eloquently put it. We think it's atrocious being castigated and maligned by so-called conservatives when we have the temerity to question the junky candidate the GOP establishment gave us. And I don't believe for an INSTANT that the anti-American liberals that now control the GOP didn't have this all planned out! What in the WORLD --pardon me, perhaps more accurately questioned, what in the New World Order were those people thinking?! Certainly not about the republic. No, no, no. They were thinking about themselves and their own "progressive" agenda. Or "moderate" agenda. Whichever propaganda slogan you prefer, they all mean the same: the end of America as we know it. The end of democracy, the end of our republic, the end of freedom. It's 2008 all over again, only worse, because a vast majority of the conservatives don't realize they are being snowed over by the corrupt leaders of the GOP.

      People like me - the so-called "Obama moles" and "Paulbots," the misnomers you have so cheekily labeled us with - are just impudent enough to try to remind others that we have gotten away from voting our conscience - from our principles - and maybe it's time to get back to that! In fact, it's PAST time we get back to voting what we believe, if it's not too late already. Yet, when I and others say this, we're called names and treated by our alleged conservative brethren the same vicious way a liberal troll is treated on these forums. Hypocrites! To those people I say, either vote your conscience or don't - but don't malign me or others like me when I choose to vote my beliefs rather than go with the pitiful crowd that is spitting on the Constitution and throwing themselves down the cliff of ignorance. Name calling and ridicule solves NOTHING.
      If we, as God-fearing conservative Americans had STOOD STRONG and VOTED our BELIEFS up until now, we wouldn't be in this ridiculous, godless situation we are in now.
      You mock, "OMG, he's a Mormon."
      Yeah, he is. Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. Would any of us be having this same conversation and disagreement if Obama, as a Muslim, were GOP? Sadly, I think we would.
      The values that we hold - whether we agree with one another's values or not - SHOULD be the MAIN deciding factor in who we vote for! I don't see liberals holding their nose and voting for a more "conservative" or "moderate" candidate when what they really want is someone who will give them bigger government, more regulation, higher taxes for the rich, and free birth control and abortion for all. No! They don't compromise, why should we? In fact, I go so far as to say they SHOULDN'T COMPROMISE! And we shouldn't, either. If you believe something strongly, there is no room for compromise.
      As Jefferson put it, "In matters of style, swim with the current; on matters of principle, stand like a rock."

      For me, sir, and people like me, this election is a matter of principle! And so help me God, I will stand like a rock, no matter how I am bashed against by the wave of compromise and weak-minded individuals who follow wherever the wind of change blows them. The Constitution is what this country was founded on - our very laws. I stand by that, and I do not believe MR stands for that. In fact, most of Congress does not stand for that, unfortunately!
      I AM Tea Party, and Tea Party answers to no one but the Constitution. But before that, I am Christian. And as such, I answer to no man, but GOD alone. If I didn't believe so strongly about my beliefs, I wouldn't be a Christian. I'd be something else. But as such, I try my best to live my beliefs. And that automatically spills over into my voting, as it should for anyone, Christian or not! If that offends anyone, I am sorry that you are offended, but I am not sorry for my beliefs.
      To take from a few of Patrick Henry's words, "Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! ... Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God, I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"...
      Is our life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of throwing away our freedom and trading our values for toeing the 'party line'? Forbid it, Almighty God, I have an idea of what others are voting for; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
      There is a time to take a stand and now is the time. We have come this far, but, God help us, we will go no more! The line has been drawn in the sand and sides have been taken. Either you are for one side and against the other, or against one side and for the other. It can't be both.

      As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. And I will vote accordingly. You are right about one thing: nothing can be done about that.
      God bless you, God help us all, and may you vote your values this election!

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.saalfeld.58 David Saalfeld

    Hello Willy: I can't help taking issue on your comment. Romney is fine for President. Honest, a straight family shooter etc and certainly better than his idiotic adversary. However, you also say that the Bible is full of fallacies. Where are you coming from and are you really a Christian?? I don't agree with his idea of Christianity but I can't beat him over the head about it. As far as Bible fallacy being true is completely far out. In the Book of John it definitely tells you what its all about. IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD. THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, ( meaning Jesus Christ.) THE WORD WAS GOD. So you see, his word is absolute. No errors in the Bible. Dave Saalfeld Major USAF Ret.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHY24XUGC24BFAYI366G3ZDMME B.P.

    A better question to ask is 'How could Christians vote for Obama, especially since the veil has come off his deceitful ways?'
    He's hostile towards anyone who disagress with him, he's forcing people to make a choice between following his law or God's law (health care abortion/contraception mandate), he's hostile towards God's chosen people (Israel), he bears false witness on a weekly basis. He not only doesn't believe in the Word of God, he actively persecutes those who do. They are not free to worship as they see fit. He dictates policies that are hostile to the Word of God, Socialism and collective salvation are rooted in evil and contrary to Biblical teaching. He has supported infanticide and never backed away from it. He encourages lawlessness, immorality and chaos when God loves order, discipline and self control.
    So I ask, 'How can a sincere Christian vote for him knowing this?'.

  • Noble

    We are not voting a preacher into the office but a president who has values. Yes, it's okay to vote for Governor Mitt Romney as the next president of the United States. I am a preacher and I stand by what I am posting.

  • bitbanger

    I still prefer a Mormon to a Muslim.

  • Dave S

    Your analysis reminds me of one of my favorite stories about how God works. A man living in an area that was about to be flooded was offered transportation from his home to dry ground by people in a Jeep, a boat and a helicopter. He declined all three, saying, "I trust in the Lord." He drowned. When he griped to St. Peter that he had trusted in the Lord but the Lord had let him down, St. Peter replied, "We sent a Jeep, a boat and a helicopter. I don't know how much more you expected us to do."

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Just from where does your expectation come, that the GOP is somehow your salvation? Are you really that deluded, or are you simply a criminal?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Timothy, you are a serious Pharisee! Better read up on them. You are treading on seriously dangerous ground when you take the role of the Pharisee - Jesus really didn't like that. The GOP is NOT our salvation - but neither is Ron Paul! He may have been one terrific ob-gyn, but his theology has some serious flaws. Jesus called Pharisees "white-washed-sepulchres" How's that for truth and justice? eh! The Lord is my light, and my salvation..." He is the only one fit to judge this nation, but i tell you truly, if you cast your vote by writing in a non-candidate, you will have tossed it to the wind. The only statement it will make is that there a few foolish people out there who didn't take the good of the nation to heart and did the selfish, foolish thing by tossing away their precious votes at the ballot box.

  • jerry1944

    romney lied about the good conservative that where running. liers dont need to be rewarded with our votes I dont think the father of obambo care will appeal it. some in his pac are makeing lots money from it. And just 2 days ago some of his ppl were saying if the guys wife had been in his state the woman would have had heath care like she was bragging about it No i cant see me trusting romney and more that i trust obambo. Its 3rd party conseravtive that will save our country. The gop dont want to win the pres so we have to go for conservative senate and congress

  • Ken Hissner

    We had a Catholic in Kennedy and now a Muslim in Obama. Of course a Christian can vote for Romney. I voted for him in both primaries in 2008 and 2012 and told my pastor who wasn't sure "we have a Muslim if not a Communist like his mother was" in there now.

  • jsmith3085

    For goodness sake! Mormans believe in the same Jesus Christ that the rest of us Christians believe in and the fact that Mitt is a Mormon should not make a bit of difference then if he were a Lutheren, Catholic, Jewish or any other religion. The next four years are going to be tough and all of us are going to have to give up some things but compared to another 4 years with Obama who will destroy our economy and our Country Mitt is really the only chance we have for saving America's greatness..

    • Lucius Junius Brutus

      No, they do not " believe in the same Jesus Christ that the rest of us Christians believe in." They believe in a created being (whose brother is Satan), who ascended and "became" A god; and we are to follow suit and also ascend spiritually and becomes gods ourselves. Pure pantheism worthy of a rousing Oprah affirmation applause.

      Christians by contrast confess that Jesus Christ is God the creator, condescended and BECAME like us, became flesh, and as such became OUR brother.

      Worlds apart. In direct opposition. Couldn't be more dissimilar.

  • Contrarianthefirst

    "Americanist political perfectionism"
    Listen, all you so called "Americans";
    I am done voting for your less than perfect political candidates. If you want to vote for evil, go freakin for it... as for self and Family, you can koa.

    I hope you get what you vote for;
    Destroyed economy, worthless "dollar", -0 employment under Obama/Romney.... I mean, are you so called "people" for real?
    No wonder they refer to you as "fly over" country... ciphers!

    • dontjst

      What an
      incredibly ignorant rant!

      • Contrarianthefirst

        Why, how intellectually superior your "reply" seems to be, till one does the research.

        • dontjst

          The fact remains....

        • Contrarianthefirst

          "The fact remains...."
          That you haven't done any research, that you prefer to believe the lie and to spread lies, that you are caught up in the "bread and circuses" mentality and refuse to break your conditioning.

        • dontjst

          I take it you're a progressive liberal?

        • Contrarianthefirst

          Amazing... that's all you can come up with? I guess you enjoy bread and circuses, too.

        • dontjst

          I'm correct? No denial?

    • dontjst

      Foreign idiots have no business commenting on American politics!

  • Jamie

    Remember that obama got in because too many people thought we couldn't do any worse than Bush. No matter how much you may hate Romney, I doubt he could do the damage that obama has gotton away with, even if he wanted to. 1] He can't cry "racist" in defense every time he is caught being blatantly anti-American. 2] The media will not cover for him 3] He doesn't hate America and most of it's values. Even Hitler did well for Germany's economy, because he actually liked Germany, which can't be said for America hating obama. And 4] if you've followed obamas destructive path the last 4 years you will know many more reasons that Romney can't be compared side by side. The Clintons, and all other past democrats don't even compare with obama the destroyer.

    Think twice & consider obamas plans for the next 4 years [as well as his destruction record up to date] before deciding not to vote, or to vote other than Romney. Please realize people, we are in a lessor-of-2-evils era - you don't have a choice between good and bad, so please don't get all "principled" and ditch reality for your pride's sake. PLEASE?
    At the very worst Romney will most likely buy us some time.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      So Obama got in because people thought it couldn't be worse than Bush? Okay, and now you asking people to do the same thing to get Romney elected. Huh? No disrespect intended, but your logic is faulty on that point.

      Furthermore, what's wrong with voting "principle?" I contend that it's NOT voting for our principles that got us into this mess in the first place! Regardless of who you choose to vote for - it's your right one way or the other - why are you encouraging people to NOT vote their beliefs? Why do we vote if it's not for someone with whom we share the same principles of freedom? On voting day PLEASE vote your principles! If those principles lead you to vote for Romney, so be it! But for God's sake, vote your conscience!!

      And for God's sake, PLEASE stop playing into the liberal line of leaving your conscience/values/personal beliefs (a.k.a. PRINCIPLES) out of the voting booth!

      My God, what have we come to in this country?!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

        Okay, Paulie - go vote your beliefs, if that's what YOU think is best for this country. Of course, the U.S.C. gives you that right. But God expects more of you - He expects you to use your vote wisely. Ron Paul didn't even hit the charts with the voters at all - it wasn't even close! So, sure, go ahead and be proud that you wrote him in and gave away your vote to someone who has no possible chance of winning on a write-in. Do you understand that it isn't the popular vote that elects the POTUS, but the electoral college vote? Do you understand how it works? Did you ever take a U.S. History, Constitution and Government class in school? If you did, then you would more clearly understand that when you vote, your personal vote is added to all the votes in your state and those elected to the electoral college from your state cast their votes based on the number of overall votes the state cast for a particular candidate. So, sure, go ahead, vote however you want to vote. At least for THIS election you will still have the right to do that. But when you do your gig at the polls and write in a candidate nobody but a teeny group wanted as a candidate, you are helping to re-elect the current POTUS. Can your conscience really live with that? And since you profess to believe in God, can you really stand before Him and say, "Yep, I voted my conscience, and I'm proud of that.Sorry that the USA got four more years of Obama and pastors were forced to decide between telling the truth from the pulpit or going to jail, and sorry that more abortions were performed during those next four years, and I'm sorry that the LGBT lobby got so powerful because no one said no to them, but really God, I voted my conscience. Do I get points for that?"

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          You have no idea who I am voting for because I'm not even sure if I am or am not voting for Romney or not. So your ridiculous accusations are just that: ridiculous.

          I made my point of the lunacy of encouraging people to not vote their conscience. You poke fun of it, while demeaning me, calling me names, and talking down to me as if I were an idiot. You are part of the problem.

        • Edward53

          Are you saying that, 3 months before the election, you still don't know who you're voting for? I've done all of my research and decided who I was voting for months ago.

  • libssukkalot

    It's Obvious that Obama is a liar and has been very unsuccessful as a leader in economic or political issues...look at the divide he's created between the classes and races...not much in the way of peace there really! Actually, under him there is a good chance of rioting going on more and more as exemplified by the OWS movement! It's quite clear to me that Romney will be a better leadr...he has a record of successes over Obama by far!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sara-Johansen/1231561660 Sara Johansen

    just who do propose Christians vote for......the lying, no integrity, failure of a president...Obama....Obama is a disgrace to the office....Romney was not my first choice but I have never seen anything negative that would lead me to think he would be as unscrupulous as Barack Obama (who we still no NOTHING about in HIS history)...since most of it has been made up "composites!"

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

    All this pleading for Romney, the establishment GOP trash must be scared to death for their future after stealing the election for their banker-chosen, one-world-government, candidate. Pat Buchanan was correct, the GOP is dead, only it will be much sooner than they thought, and the retribution will be horrific and justified, suffer and bleed filth, all the way to your extinction.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/E6IBKPZ73M5Y2VG7VDLZDFTA2M Sandi

      i'm not sure who you are talking to here, Timothy, but i put my total and complete trust in the Lord Jesus Christ before i was 5 years old. i have studied both Hebrew and Greek and can parse the Scriptures in both those languages. I am conservative both where the Bible is concerned and politically. But, i firmly believe that God wants us to make wise choices when it comes to the precious vote we have been given. He is able to heal this nation, or He may choose to chastise us for the moral choices we have allowed our leaders to make. But, to accuse anyone who does not write-in your candidate of a sin against God such that our punishment will be horrific, justified, damning, is by any standard a violation of Scripture. If the GOP in its purest form is dead, then the Tea Party is doing it's best to call the nation back to a conservative political viewpoint. Since you are so bent on being the prophet of God who calls forth plagues and damnation on anyone who disagrees with you, i suggest you take a closer look at the four Gospels, the letters of Paul, and the little epistle of Jude. No one here is pleading the cause of the GOP - what we are hoping to do is oust the man in office and replace him with the candidate that has the possibility of bringing this nation back to a conservative, political viewpoint that will allow you to continue to rant if you choose and not force you into prison for your viewpoint. If you choose to write in Ron Paul, you will have given one more vote to the worst potus ever. And you must also think again about the promises God made to Israel and to those who love Israel. Ron Paul is not one of those who is supportive of Israel. The misguided, replacement theology to which he subscribes is heresy. i suggest you learn what the Hebrew word "forever" means before you go on your Man of LaMancha quest to install Ron Paul in the oval office against the wishes of the majority of Bible-believing, politically-conservative Christians. The word for "forever" in Hebrew means "until the world ends" - that's the promise God made to the nation of Israel as to the giving of the land. In fact, Timothy, Israel never conquered even a fraction of the land God promised them at the exodus from Egypt. But the Hebrew word for "forever" does not mean less than "forever." The Church did NOT replace Israel. The Church is NOT "true Israel" it Is the Church and Israel is Israel Now, i may be misunderstanding where you are coming from theologically, but you sound more like a replacement theologian than one who truly understands the Bible by studying the original languages. Do yourself a favor. Study the New Testament seriously and and understand clearly that Jesus was the fulfillment of the O.T. prophesies, but He came to bring in righteousness and that happens by loving the unlovely, ministering to those in need, and sharing the truth of the Gospel - not by venting words of damnation over people with whom you disagree!

  • Gumby

    Joe Smith and Brigham Young were both born in the socialist republic of Vermont. Something about Vermont that produces iconoclasts like the mormons, Bernie Sanders, Ben and Jerrys, Keegan Bradley and other illustrious folks

  • http://paucku.com paucku

    Comment to the article: Why not vote to Ron Paul than?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

    II Chronicles 7:14, only applies if you turn from wickedness and repent of your evil actions, these Republicans want to keep doing all their fraud, support the same corrupt, Nazi ideologues, and somehow believe their are still morally superior to their opponents. You are all the same to us, every last one of you. "Be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a person sows, they will also reap." America is unfit for any moral indignation.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      You are right, and it sickens me!

    • LeSellers

      I fear you are right. Actually, it's more than a fear, since, as John Adams put it, the Constitution was designed for a religious and moral people. It is adequate to the governing of no other."

      We are not a moral people. We are not a religious people (in general, no matter how many people claim to be "religious", but DO nothing about their supposed religion).

      Abortion is but one indicator of just how immoral and irreligious we have become. Divorce is a second. Child pornography (or pornography across the board) counts, too. Murder is another. Yesterday, Lolo, the extremely good USmerican Olympian, failed to medal. The reason? According to a very large number of people it was that she is a virgin!

      We should be interested in the results of the presidential contest. We must pay attention to the senatorial races. But, at the heart of the whole thing, we should be far more concerned about our personal integrity. If we are not moral people, if we reject the religious roots that made this country free, we have no hope. For he who will not govern himself must be governed by others. Those others may be worse men than those they rule.

  • Dennis

    "willy" ~ as defined by merriam webster, a "cult is, among the several definitions, "1: formal religious veneration; 2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual." So, ANY religion or religious organization/group is a cult. Either become knowledgeable of the English Language and shut up or just shut up!

  • Willie Lee

    Yeah Romney is wishy washy to the max, especially when it comes to gay issues. I don't see him as a Christian, because he doesn't believe in the Bible as it stands. But that doesn't stop me from voting for him simply because the alternative is so anti-Christian and deconstructive to America. Romney is NOT perfect, but I WILL vote for him if he gets the nod at the convention. Those who don't, in essence, hate our country and want to see it implode.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      I was understanding your point of view right up until your last sentence. Someone who doesn't vote for a liberal republican like you think they should "hates our country and wants to see it implode?!" Remarks like that are eerily reminiscent of liberal, hate-filled, hypocritical, bullying speech meant to intimidate people into voting a certain "party line." You should be ashamed. Furthermore, you should know by now that ignorant, hateful speech like that only serves to stiffen the resolve of conservative, freedom-loving people everywhere who still believe it's our American duty to vote one's conscience.

      How about this? You vote your conscience, and I'll vote mine. In the end, when we stand before God, we'll both be satisfied that we have done what He has asked of us according to what we have known.

      But for God's sake, stop attacking fellow conservatives who may see things a LOT differently than you do. You're playing right into the liberal (Democrat AND Republican) agenda.

      • Edward53

        But the Paulbots attack us for voting for Romney.....what's the difference (besides hypocrisy)?

    • LeSellers

      When you say, "… he doesn't believe the Bible as it stands", you really mean, "… he doesn't believe the Bible as I do."

  • tuchie

    sure what choice do we have, a morman or a muslim?who would you vote for?stupid Q.

    • LeSellers

      C'mon tuchie.

      It's MormOn: two O's, no A's.

      But you're right, it is a stupid question. But, as far as I am concerned, it is not about O'bama's Muslim religion (which I believe he still subscribes to, according to Jeremiah Wright), it's purely about his politics.

      I'd vote for an atheist, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Baptist, a Taoist, anyone from any religious background as long as his economic and political philosophy advanced freedom (at least compared to the alternative), and returned responsibility for running one's own family to the family itself. This means cutting government, not just fat, but lean, and even some spurious bone.

      It's so bad that I say, thank the Lord for government waste. At least they're doing that rather than further encroaching on my freedom. It was Will Rodgers who said, "It's a good thing we don't get all the government we're paying for."

  • Jose Emanus

    NO just vote for your Muslim President that we have- what a stupid question

  • farrightextreme

    Voting for obama wouldn't be OK.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      voting for Romney shouldn't be either...

  • http://twitter.com/mitch7788 Mitch Graves

    Any Christian who thinks it is not OK to vote for MR is absolutely ignorant of scripture. It is a sad fact that the majority of Christians think they are one because they say so...sort of lie being a Dem or Repub. You can say it and you are. TH=he ONLY way you become a real Christian was laid out in detail by the savior. Anyone who disagrees is in for quite a shock when they die. GOD never uttered anything HE didn't mean...exactly.
    Some studies say the actual number of those saved is 20% of those claiming CHhristian status....so Don't blame us for their idiocy, and don't blame GOD for any of out failings.
    Free will is part of the deal.

    To any who do believe or even understand the Bible I say this. Ask yourself this:
    "Who would satan vote for?" ***THEN VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUY!!!!***
    Pretty sure satan would support the same guy the communist dictators and muslin crazies have come out in support of...Obama.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      Going with your analogy and storyline, either way we vote, whether for BO or MR, Satan must be having a blast! Both men are following a belief system that is straight from his realm.

  • http://www.parkyourlinks.com Tiffany Williams

    No. It would be like being between the devil and the deep blue sea.... You should not vote for the lesser of the two evils...Mormonism is not Christianity and is an insult to The True Word of God. If there is no one who stands completely for God and Godly standards and the Sincere word of God, Don't vote. When you are voting for the lesser of the two evils, you are saying that this is who you chose to have reign over you. At some point you will have to decide, God or politics. Compromise or a sound and firm foundation!

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      Rather than not vote, I say vote for someone else. Write someone in if you have to.

      I agree with you: we have to stand firm! I'm sick of compromising individuals; it gets us nowhere. The "lesser of two evils" is still evil. Ephesians 6:14 When you've done all you can do, just stand. And wait. Salvation is coming, and it won't be from BO or MR or anyone else. :)

      • dontjst

        Your comment supports Obama!

        • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

          Have you nothing to add but insults? Your childish comment reveals your ignorance and proves yourself to be of the same ilk as the Obama trolls that lurk in forums like this.

          Speaking of liberal trolls, they must be busy laughing their hind quarters off at the way the "conservatives" are bashing and pummeling each other with hateful comments, mud-slinging, name calling, rampant ignorance and self-deluded illusions of salvation via the political system.

        • dontjst

          Of course I do. Your comment didn't rate anything but a factual response. If you took that as an insult you're in pretty bad shape!

    • GoldenRudy

      Tiff, am I to understand that you would not vote for a Jew either? Even though he/she professed a sincere respect for the Constitution and a true love for this country in addition to be a good and moral citizen? We have seen many charlatans professing to be Christian but in reality they mocked the faith.

  • tuchie

    I will stand by MITT ROMNEY

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OGJNWURL6AWS7ITF5M3Y5ILNXI Natalie Johnson

    Nope. He supports homosexuality and I wouldn't touch Mormonism with a stick. I'm casting my vote to someone else.

  • XX

    so all the "Christians" should vote for Islam, war, dead babies, saving Nigeria, joblessness, homelessness, the collapse of our nations economy, graft and corruption, illegal aliens, crushing welfare handouts, homosexuality being taught to our children? Because that is what we have and you will get more of with Obama.
    I am so tired of this ploy being resurfaced every time Obama has a bad week in the polls.

  • Lora Hubbel

    Its not Mitt Romney so much - but its HOW he was shoved on us....no regard for what the Republican people wanted. We even had a Republican insider talk to our local Republican Women's group who was just giddy with "their" choice for Republican nominee this time. He bragged how the little people don't get to choose the candidate...THEY do. He even said that "we may let Santorum become a cadidate in 2016 if Romney doesn't win or in 2020 if Romney does win. Arrogance just dripped off the fellow...and are just supposed to let them pollute the Republican party with McCAin and Romney? Christians without a drop of testoterone and jello for a spine have let this happen to our nation. Let's just all show so much grace that we dump America off at the pit of Hell. Let's not confront anything and be nice little weak girls that leave our nation unprotected.....The Bible even has a term for that...its called the Grace of Balaam.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      I don't think it was a coincidence that the least conservative candidate - the one I happened to dislike the most - was "chosen" by the GOP traitor liberals. The Republicans have gotten so far off their self-proclaimed "conservative" track, it's nearly unbelievable! And I shouldn't be shocked at the way people just lap it up (like the liberals they talk about in other forums who lap up the liberal Kool-aid), but I am a little. Really, though, I am more shocked at the way they attack other conservatives for pointing out the anti-Christian, anti-American agenda that has crept into the Republican party and is now flaunting itself in public, proud and unashamed. Like rabid dogs, the attackers. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see!

      I don't know about you, but I'm going to continue to pray. Vote, yes, but pray more. :)

  • Reenie2

    I have read pages and pages of the dribblling about what the Mormons believe and what the Morrmons don't believe and I am so sick I can hardly stand it. I am almost 75 years old, been a Mormon since I was born. There are hundreds, probably thousands plus of people telling stories about members of the Mormon Church that are so stupidly wrong that they are sickening. It would be interesting to know how many of these people have ever known a member of the Mormon Church. If you want to know anything about the Mormon Church or what we believe, ask a Mormon who is active, goes to church every week, etcetra. Chances are, you would see a whole new group of people.

  • Jim Alexander

    Some of you people are so stupid, it's pitiful. Of course Romney is a Christian. He could be a Mennonite, a Lutheran or a Catholic and be no more Christian than is a Mormon. He, also, is a successful businessman, father and husband. And he is trying his best to be a conservative...so what is your problem? Shape up...

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516859771 John Sweet

    the same question should be addressed as to a Muslim gaining Christian votes

  • The Advocates

    What a crazy piece! Are we turning into a theocracy, with evangelical nuts becoming our Mullahs? Whether your question is posed idiotically or not, we know that African-American, G-d-fearing Baptists will not vote for Romney, Most Jews will never vote for Romney no less and Tea Bagger, Hispanics and other white liberal Roman Catholics won't vote for him, and women of all religious persuasions will for sure not vote for him. In fact, none of these people, from most religious groups, will not vote for him because he is a Mormon. They could care less, they are tolerant. The one group that is split on religious grounds are the Evangelicals. One group hates Obama and the Democrats, for their own moronic reasons. The other half of that group, hates Mormons more than they hate other groups. So Romney is paradoxically supported and opposed by his own base, out of the dynamic of hate. Today CNN had Obama up 52-45, FOX News shows Obama up 49-40 and Pew Research calls it 52-41.

    • Word is Out

      The poll results are disturbing to say the least. I'd like to think the polls are incorrect but I'm not confident that is true. Americans falling for the crap this imposter is putting out deserve exactly what they get. My gut tells me we are screwed!!!! If so, I hope we as a nation rise up and revolt against the corrupt system that is destroying this once great country.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UCBGBASEIYYCDZJK33G5ZQ6Z6E don g

    YES WOULD VOTE HIM THAN IMPOSTER OBAMA I MADE MISTAKE LAST GO ROUND THIS TIME I KNOW BETTER DON

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QHRUML5XFH7AMSWH63TQH7F7E4 MalikTous

    I distrust 'Moroni Mitt'. I despise and detest Borkup Obummer the Kenyan/Indonesian village idiot with the fake US citizen ID and Communist backers. While I'm trending towards Gary Johnson (Libertarian candidate), I won't make my final decision until the day before election Tuesday in November. I've met plenty of LDS members (I went to INEL while in the Navy and spent 6 months in Idaho, plus we have a 'temple' here in Richmond VA), and if they don't get on the high horse and abuse their women or disparage minorities, they're generally decent citizens. My main objective is to help make Borkup Obummer a one-term Whitehouse invader (I don't consider him or Komrad Klinton legitimate POTUS) and send him packing as we dismantle and destroy every single thing he did. The trouble with Romney is that Taxachusetts is the worst run state in the union. Decisions, decisions... The only one that's 'final' is to go and vote!

  • hw

    Remember this, you are all infidels in the eyes of Islam,all Catholics , Mormons, Methodists Baptists ,Jews ,Budhists etc etc and must convert to Islam or be killed. There is no need to compare yourselves or debate this. The real evil here is Islam, so open your eyes to what they teach and see their deeds around the world. Does the name Barack Hussein Obama concern you ? Maybe it should.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hilton.773 Michael Hilton

    Rhonda Reichel got everyone's attention pretty good, didn't she?
    My wife and I spent four hours in the GOP booth at the local county fair yesterday, and we had one woman who came back time after time to argue. She cited Mormonism...she babbled about Romney raising everyone's taxes if he got in...she told us how all the media tell the truth about Romney...in short we finally got so tired of her appearances that we just smiled and told her she'd convinced us.

    Rhonda, you've convinced me. I'll vote for candidate X. Smile, you're on Candid Camera.

    • Edward53

      Are you trying to say that you got to meet the great Rhonda Reichel in person? LOL Did she happen to be wearing a swastika around her neck because she really hates Israel and the Jews.

  • http://twitter.com/BillboTex BillboTex

    Lets see, then you are saying Christians should vote for Obama?

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    Hate ObamaCare? MANY WAYS 2 STOP IT http://goo.gl/Rjwmx but easiest way is 2 STOP "Angry" Conservs from helping LIBERALS Re-Elect Obama.

    "Angry" Conservatives want to "BEAT UP" Obama - sure that feels good, BUT JOB ONE MUST BE TO "BEAT" OBAMA IN NOVEMBER - NOBAMA 2012

    ULTIMATE LIST of the BEST THINGS ROMNEY EVER SAID http://goo.gl/ZvyWI - CONSERVATISM on Steroids GOROMNEY BEAT NOBAMA 2012 it's important!

    "BORING" SAVED OVER 200,000 JEWISH LIVES http://goo.gl/w9BXO WILL U ALLOW "BORING" TO SAVE AMERICA? OR NOT. GOROMNEY SAVE AMERICA! NOBAMAHATE ObamaCare? http://goo.gl/Rjwmx MANY WAYS TO STOP IT, but easiest is STOP "Angry" Conservs from re-electing Obama! GOROMNEY BEAT NOBAMA

    Which is the OUTSOURCER Winner? http://goo.gl/fscG3 Winner's name is Hussein- Interactive Map PROOF - http://goo.gl/O8Lyr GOROMNEY NOBAMA

    "Angry" Conservatives want to "BEAT UP" Obama - sure that feels good, BUT JOB ONE MUST BE TO "BEAT" OBAMA IN NOVEMBER - NOBAMA 2012

  • Mynickelsworth

    Common Christian Sense, or call it wisdom or what ever, you have two choices:
    1. Romney who belongs to a non-christian religion (idol worship). His religion is morally relatively upright, and has no desire to destroy Christianity. His god is the god of the earth, Adam of the Bible and Jesus is the son of Adam via Mary.
    2. Obama who belongs to a non-christian religion (idol or devil worship depending on whom you think Allah is). His religion is morally wrong, they mistreat women, children and generally are very brutal in many areas. (The only agreement with Christianity is that homosexuality is wrong and on the kill list while Christians believe that they should be converted to Christianity and God would remove the homosexuality. His religion is based upon hate of Christians and Jews. If they do their best job in keeping the rules of their religion, they will do their best to destroy all Christians and Jews.
    Think about it: Moslems desire to rule the world unopposed. Their method is to destroy all Christians and Jews (no one else would long object). Their god is Allah.
    Satan desires to rule the world unopposed. His method is to destroy all Christians and Jews (no one else would long object).
    So Who WOULD YOU THINK ALLAH MIGHT LIKELY BE?

    • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

      Hmm . . . My brother in the Faith is supposed to worship a what, not a who. :)

  • CSN

    Romney.....advocates same sex marriage, gays in the Boy Scouts, Taxing Internet, no reigning in of the Federal Reserve system, implemented Romneycare which was the same as Obamacare in Mass. denying rights to Catholic Charities and other organizations who wouldn't provide Birth Control or Sterlizations or Abortions. The guy is a bold faced liar, and please look up his record. Google....What Romney believes and stands for. He's more Liberal than Obama with regard to Gay Rights. Why don't we say this...he's the same! He implemented Gay Marriage before it got to be pushed through the Courts in Mass. He's the inventor of Gay Rights over Heterosexual Rights. He's probably Bohemian Grove, where men are rampantly gay who join.

    • GoldenRudy

      It was the Massachusetts Democrat controlled Legislature headed by Speaker Sal DiMasi, who is now serving 8 years in Fed Pen for corruption BTW, that blocked the marriage protection initiative petition from being on the 2008 ballot. As all should be aware, Massachusetts is a Democrat Party controlled state. As Gov, Romney did not have a veto proof legislature.

      • CSN

        Say what you will...he supports Gay's in the Military and in the Boy Scouts...so why not Gay Marriage. Read the book: "Mitt Romney's Deception" by Amy L. Contrada. In fact, you can Google it. Mitt Romney speaks from both sides of his mouth. He says one thing and does another. He has no religious convictions supporting the RIGHT TO CHOOSE ABORTION ON DEMAND! Since when does a Pro-Life person spend his entire tenure in Office as a Pro-Abortion Advocate, and then suddenly becomes Pro-Life when he's running for Republican President? This man is a bold faced Liar, Deceiver, and One World Globalist. Tea Party Beware! You ain't gettin what you support from this man.......

        • GoldenRudy

          Even if I accept everything in your note above comment, I still will not and cannot take the chance that a proven enemy(s) of the US Constitution and the legacy and future of the USA will be reelected. I will vote for Romney and ALL those running in the Republican Party that I can. Numbers mean power and Reid, et al, must be defeated/removed from power to save our beloved country.

    • Edward53

      You Paul cockroaches are running all over this post. Who turned on the kitchen light?

  • donl

    ROMNEY Not The Commie. Obama IS a communist, look at his new slogan !! It's the title of a book that was written by either Marx, Trotsky or Lenin, used by communist leaders all over the world to "control" the masses!! Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, North Korea, and Hugo Chaves to name a few, Just this week 8-7-2012 some cubans reached freedom to the United States to Escape Communism. The media will not cover this story, maybe Rush will.

  • Dave A

    CULT
    The first thing which comes to mind is it is connected to witchcraft or some form of evil.

    Well, I have learned that the Apostle Paul, a messenger of Jesus Christ, was accused of promoting a cult.

    I am proud to be a supporter of this cult.

    We have found this man Apostle Paul) to be a troublemaker who is constantly stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the cult known as the Nazarenes. Acts 24:5
    Jesus Christ was known as a Nazarenes, as Nazareth was his earthly home town.

  • donl

    I guess they didn"t like my post. No dirty words, just the truth, from what I have seen and heard on the news. I'll try again later.

  • huntingfreedominAmerica

    Could Romney be another Nebuchadnezzar, why not the Holy Spirit changes the heart of mankind.

    • NWODB.COM

      If God wants to do this, then God can do it. I would never vote for a Mormon that thinks he is going to be a god when he dies.

  • Tired if all your whining

    The naivete of the US voting public seems only surpassed by the geo-political ignorance of you commentators. You condemn extremism in others but vote for it in November? You tryly are, soon will be or should be the forgoten nation. Bring on the peaceful rise!

  • Dee

    I'm not a Mormon, but one of my dearest friends is. While there are differences between what they believe and what mainstream Christianity believes, those differences are unimportant in comparison with what we now have and where he will take us if he gets another four years.

  • Votingforathirdparty

    Founding father John Jay said behooves Christians to vote for Christians.If that QUITTER Bump romney is the best the Republican Party can do then we deserve another 4 years of Dumbo Bummer.So to answer the question HHHHHHEEEEEELLLLLL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • bitterclinger

    Sorry,but Romney IS Obama... he STILL supports a women's right to kill her unborn child, he loves big govt, he WROTE ObamaCare, he loves carbon taxes... and he loves the idea of invading another nation in the name of "natl security".

  • Heywood Jablome

    What's the deal with the "magic underpants" all Mormons wear?

    • LeSellers

      Why are you concerned about my underwear? Unless you are a pervert, it's none of your business. If you ARE a pervert, ….

  • explorer717

    to Rhonda Reichel and Willey.
    and everyone else who has no clue what a Mormon is. Mormons are Christians in every sense of the word. The name of the church is ‘the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints’ It is the only church with a 2nd record that testifies that Jesus Christ actually came, taught, set up his gospel, and was crucified. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Very, very similar to the ‘New Testament’ it is a testament that He came to the Americas right after he was resurrected in Palestine. He taught the exact same gospel to the people in the Americas. The people in the Americas’ wrote it down exactly the way it happened the same way Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did in the Bibles ‘New Testament’. Basically, proof that Jesus Christ existed and set up his church and taught the Gospel. That ,,, is what the Book of Mormon is.
    A Mormon is definitely a Christian.
    We want a good President of the United States??? Vote for a Christian.

  • KBennett

    I hate to burst your bubble. But Mormons are Christians. They believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. So why do you say that they are not Christian?

    • Rick Olson

      Mormons are also taught that Jesus Christ, the son of God the Father Almighty, is the elder brother of Lucifer (the devil). Mormons reject the very notion of the blood of Christ. This is why you will never see a Mormon wear a cross and you will not see a cross inside or outside of a Mormon church. In fact, the Mormons use water instead of grape juice or wine when observing the Lord's Supper or Communion. That washes away even the very symbolism of the blood of Christ.

      • GoldenRudy

        Thanks for the lesson. I really did not know the details you provided. But, when our great country and our way of life is clearly at risk if Obama gets reelected, your lesson is more like the discussion as to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Could it be all this anti-Mormon stuff is just another Democrat Party dirty trick to sway good people from voting for Romney? After all, the Democrat Party tells us the Romney is a murderer; a tax cheat; a SEC felon.

      • LeSellers

        I've worn a cross, and I know many other Saints who do, as well.

        If you can truly say that wine is more emblematic of blood than water, that's your business, but since we "drink of it in remembrance of the blood of Christ, which was shed for [us]", your assertion is vain wind.

        You quip that we believe that Lucifer and Jesus are brothers FAILS miserably on the "Whole Truth" scale because you conveniently left out the context. Lucifer divorced himself from the family of God when he rebelled against Father. They, Jesus and Lucifer, are no longer brothers. So, what's your point?

        • Rick Olson

          If what you are saying is accurate, then I will be the first one to apologize. My information comes from numerous sources, including that of a former Melchezedek priest in the Mormon Church, Ed Decker. I definitely realize that Jesus and Lucifer are not brothers. That part, I clearly understand. For an organization to still teach that they are brothers is blasphemy on its face.

          As far as the use of water during your "Sacrament" rather than grape juice or wine, I have read that from numerous sources on the subject. Too numerous to mention in a few words that this thread would allow.

          I realize that the LDS people do a lot of good. Your social welfare programs really are second to none. But you do not get to Heaven on the basis of works alone. A person gets there through faith and salvation in Jesus Christ, and to accept the gift of salvation that Christ innocently paid for when He was crucified and died a sinless death on the Cross for your sins. Yours and mine.

        • LeSellers

          Decker is a wholly unreliable source. He has been caught in adultery, and scams too numerous to count. His two claims to fame (The GodMakers and The GodMakers II, film and book versions) are so full of lies that several authors and researchers have found at least one error or contradiction one every page (on average). He was also called to task for his lies by the National Council of Christians and Jews (as I recall — it may have been another such group).

          Another "source" many on your side rely on is no less problematic: "Dr." Walter Martin. He didn't get a doctorate until much later than he insisted people address him by the title, and his logioc fails on every point. He took it upon himself to "define" the term "cult" in such a way that it meant "anyone who does not believe what I believe". Then he labeled all those others as "cults", relying on the sinister connotatoin associated with the word to lead others to believe completely fallacious things about his targets.

          He even went so far as to claim his mother was a descendant of Brigham Young, and an associate (named "Cowdrey", note the spelling) the descendant of the LDS historical figure Oliver Cowdery (whose only child who survived into adulthood was a daughter who was childless herself). Confronted with these facts, he denied them, and never retracted either claim.

          Since we do not teach they (Lucifer and Jesus) are brothers now, since Satan rebelled against Father, we are not blasphemers. We view the origins of Jesus Christ differently from most Christians, but no so differently that any one could reasonably claim we ever WERE blasphemers.

          We do use water. So what? Neither is blood, so both are symbolic. Unless you're Catholic, that ought not be a problem. (If you are, the discussion gets a bit more detailed, but it ends up in the same place.) As I quoted from the prayer offered for the Blessing on the Water (Symbol of the Blood of Christ), we "do it in remembrance of the Blood of Thy Son, which was shed for [us}'. What else do you want?

          James in the Bible says you cannot have faith without good works, that "faith without works is dead". Christ Himself commanded that all believers be baptized. Paul even rebaptized some who were "mathetes" (disciples) because their previous baptisms were invalid (or that he, Paul, THOUGHT they MIGHT be). Peter says that water baptism "doth now also save us".

          The issue of faith versus works is extremely complex, primarily because most people do not distinguish between ordinances (one type of "work", e.g., baptism) and charitable works, but it is clear that the Bible teaches that both faith and at least the ordinance of baptism are needed to be saved.

        • Rick Olson

          Thank you for the information. I'm certainly willing to admit if I'm wrong. However, the Bible teaches that baptism in water is not a means of salvation. Baptism is one's public declaration of their repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. It is said that the symbolism of baptism is that when a person goes down under the water, it is that their "old self" is being buried, and that they are being raised into newness of life in their salvation. "Buried unto His death and raised up into His resurrection," some pastors say.

        • LeSellers

          The Bible does not "teach that baptism in water is not a means of salvation." You have to read that into the text.

          The issues I have raised illustrate this undeniable truth: you must intrrpret the text, and your interpretation is no better than anyone else's.

          You do not have the authority to tell my mine is wrong. You have no reasonable basis to challenge my Christianity because we differ in our interpretations of scripture.

        • Rick Olson

          We could spend all day arguing back and forth and it will do no good. Let's let others chime in on this, shall we? Good luck and God bless!!

        • LeSellers

          You seem to believe that my goal is to convert you. That's not the point. My goal is to demonstrate that there is no definition in the Bible of "Christian", and that we Saints fit the common use of the term. The point of this is to show that when a Christian votes for Romney, he's voting for another Christian.

          "Dr." Walter Martin invented the "'Mormons' are not Christians" meme out of nothing. Those who promulgate it are perpetuating a lie.

          I have asked dozens of Evangelicals where the Bible defines "Christian". None has found it. In fact, I have asked where the Bible says that God ever called His people "Christians". They haven't found that, either.

          Finally, I have asked them why it's so important to malign "Mormons". No one seems to understand why this attack started. (We know other anti-Mormonism started even before the Church was formally organized, this is different.)

        • Rick Olson

          No, I never thought you were trying to prostelytize me. I see your brothers and sisters all the time, the local missionaries walking in our neighborhoods ... and by the way, I do admire their passion and I know they don't get paid one dime for their efforts during their term in missionary work. While clearly we very likely won't agree on hardly anything if anything when it comes to religion, I do respect the fact that people have the right to believe in or not to believe in whatever they may choose. While I might not personally agree with the LDS way of doing things, you will also never see me trying to stand in the way of someone else's beliefs. If you feel that I was judging you, I'm sorry that you felt that I did. It is not my place to judge anyone. That's totally in God's hands. You have given me some relevant information to consider and for that, I say thank you.

        • LeSellers

          And accepted.

          By their fruits ye shall know them. I submit that your observations make our point: we are Christians.

  • Peter Tefft

    Let's look at this way. Mormonism is a cult. There are no blessings to anyone including a nation who is suppose to be Christian. If you think that God will bless antichrist in any positiion is of great error. What Romney can do for the country in secular issues can be beneficial over what Obama could or has done. Romney will get my vote due to this but He doesn't get my vote because God will bless him, he can't, Romney is AntiChrist in his thinking and practice. The only thing I can say is that its important to get Obama out of office in order to save a nation thats absolutely necessary. You should vote for Romney for that reason but don't think in anyway will God bless us because of an AntiChrist. Just like Jehovahs witnesses, Islam, new age thinking will spend an eternity in hell for rejecting the true God, Jesus Christ.

  • CrackerKen

    What choice do we have anyway, huh? Either I vote for a Mormon, or a radical Marxist left wing revolutionary loon of questionable citizenship, with a muslim upbringing. For me, it's kind of a no brainer. At least people of the Mormon faith are decent clean living folks with good values. I am a Christian. I am not a Mormon. I WILL vote for Romney. ANYBODY BUT THE O!

  • dondh

    Its either him or that anti-American muslim we now have! Give me Romney and ship muslim odumbo back to kenya!!

  • Chris

    Sure - one bunch of liars can vote for an even worse bunch of liars. His religion is completely fictional. He has no interest in the common man - only himself. He doesn't have to care about health insurance and will say whatever it takes to get the gullible vote (that's the religious vote if you were too ignorant to notice).

    Self perpetuating ignorance.

  • explorer717

    I hope I find you alone in a dark alley.

  • Lucius Junius Brutus

    The author, Mr. DeMar states: "The Bible,
    however, shows us something different. What the political leader is supposed to
    provide is . . . peace."

    Then he cites: 1 Timothy: “I urge that entreaties , prayers, petitions,
    thanksgivings be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in his
    position, in order that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness
    and dignity”

    On the first point, does Mr. DeMar actually expect a policy of peace from
    Romney? Seriously?! Foreign intervention and undeclared wars are
    demonstrably the bipartisan policy, which ever wing of our single party holds
    the White House, Congress, or both. Romney's speech in Israel was for all
    practical purposes advance notice of intent to commit acts of war! But of
    course with many, if not most dispensationalists, as long as any aggression is
    done in the name of Israel, it is justified. But for those of us who
    truly want our federal government to abide by the Constitution and have a peace
    policy, this is cause for concern.

    As for his second point, Mr. DeMar seems to miss the little but significant
    word "all." By Mr. Demar's own point, we do not have to have
    any particular person in office to entreat, pray, or petition God for any
    leadership position. Christians can and do in fact even pray for Obama.
    Efficacy of said intercessions is not even a question here. This is
    something that should, can, and will be done no matter who, or which party
    occupies the White House.

    These points in support of voting for Romney, while they assuage some
    evangelical consciences if they should vote for the lesser of two evils, offers
    no meaningful, let alone scriptural basis for doing so.

  • Bob

    God can do miracles but are we worth one!!! I don't think that we are because we have not been doing our part to stand up for what is right.

  • Barbann

    Character counts and I think you know who that has to be. Mormons gave me back my daughter and I have nothing but praise for them and their mission. They have a great moral code and mission to their fellow man.

  • hmmmm

    This is really a stupid question. Mormon or pure evil ????????Duh!!!!!

  • Rick Olson

    Numerous evangelical Christians, including evangelist Franklin Graham, son of the world-reknowned evangelist Dr. Billy Graham, have endorsed Mitt Romney's candidacy for the White House, despite the fact that Romney is a practicing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as the Mormons. While I have my own personal reservations about Mormons (I'm a born again Christian myself), I believe that Romney would be the lesser of two evils. We do not want President Obama re-elected to another term. I personally believe that Mormonism is a religious cult, but I for one am willing to look past that when considering and praying about voting for Romney.

    • Lucius Junius Brutus

      "I believe that Romney would be the lesser of two evils."

      Americans have been voting according to this notion for a long time now. It is a big reason we are in the straits we are in. It keeps either wing of our single party in power, maintains the illusion there is a difference between them, and keeps us validating them and their lies.

      • LeSellers

        I believe most Christians claim that all are sinners, none come close to the glory of God. So, unless you do not vote at all, you MUST choose the lesser of two evil, since anyone who runs, irrespective of his politics and economics, is "evil".

        All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. — Edmund Burke

  • The Moogly

    better to ote for a Mormon than a Muslim.

  • 1withfoundingfathers2

    Those who say that Romney isn't a Christian are as mean spirited and of the same ilk as those who want to close down Chick-Fil-A because the owner believes in traditional marriage. Romney's actions speak of his goodness of heart, his morality and decency. Who in any Christian religion has the right to say what a person has to believe about Jesus in order to be a christian? If he believes that Jesus is our Savior and is an example as a believer, he is a christian. Further, Christians don't have the whole market on decency and good behavior. Obama is an example of a person whose behavior and morality speak him to be bad for our country. He has attended a Christian church, but he is not honest in his dealings. He doesn't love our country, our constitution or our freedoms. Romney will protect our country and will follow our constitution. He is an honest man.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Adams/1354180138 Timothy Adams

      Yes, Romney is "honest" provisionally at least, as for following the constitution, where do you get that? He belongs to the Rockefeller Group, they publicly state they demand one-world, corporate government. Please tell me how this differs from Obama? Romney is so honest, then how'd he get the nomination by fraud, vote rigging and out and out lying? You GOP sheep would accept anything this man does, so long as it fits your desire to beat Obama, God curse your families until you perish. This criminal, who rigged an election to get into the race, WILL NOT RULE THIS NATION, PERIOD.

      • LeSellers

        In our uniquely LDS scriptures (those beyond the KJV Bible), we are told that this country was established by God, that we must :"serve the God of the land who is Jesus Christ", and that the Constitution was written by "wise men whom [God] raised up for this very purpose".

        If a Latter-day Saint cannot be trusted to hold fast to the Constitution, then no one can.

  • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

    @ezekiel22

    And yet there are others of us who are neither Obama moles nor Paulbots, as you so eloquently put it. We think it's atrocious being castigated and maligned by so-called conservatives when we have the temerity to question the junky candidate the GOP establishment gave us. And I don't believe for an INSTANT that the anti-American liberals that now control the GOP didn't have this all planned out! What in the WORLD --pardon me, perhaps more accurately questioned, what in the New World Order were those people thinking?! Certainly not about the republic. No, no, no. They were thinking about themselves and their own "progressive" agenda. Or "moderate" agenda. Whichever propaganda slogan you prefer, they all mean the same: the end of America as we know it. The end of democracy, the end of our republic, the end of freedom. It's 2008 all over again, only worse, because a vast majority of the conservatives don't realize they are being snowed over by the corrupt leaders of the GOP.

    People like me - the so-called "Obama moles" and "Paulbots," the misnomers you have so cheekily labeled us with - are just impudent enough to try to remind others that we have gotten away from voting our conscience - from our principles - and maybe it's time to get back to that! In fact, it's PAST time we get back to voting what we believe, if it's not too late already. Yet, when I and others say this, we're called names and treated by our alleged conservative brethren the same vicious way a liberal troll is treated on these forums. Hypocrites! To those people I say, either vote your conscience or don't - but don't malign me or others like me when I choose to vote my beliefs rather than go with the pitiful crowd that is spitting on the Constitution and throwing themselves down the cliff of ignorance. Name calling and ridicule solves NOTHING.

    If we, as God-fearing conservative Americans had STOOD STRONG and VOTED our BELIEFS up until now, we wouldn't be in this ridiculous, godless situation we are in now.

    You mock, "OMG, he's a Mormon."

    Yeah, he is. Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. Would any of us be having this same conversation and disagreement if Obama, as a Muslim, were GOP? Sadly, I think we would.

    The values that we hold - whether we agree with one another's values or not - SHOULD be the MAIN deciding factor in who we vote for! I don't see liberals holding their nose and voting for a more "conservative" or "moderate" candidate when what they really want is someone who will give them bigger government, more regulation, higher taxes for the rich, and free birth control and abortion for all. No! They don't compromise, why should we? In fact, I go so far as to say they SHOULDN'T COMPROMISE! And we shouldn't, either. If you believe something strongly, there is no room for compromise.

    As Jefferson put it, "In matters of style, swim with the current; on matters of principle, stand like a rock."

    For me, sir, and people like me, this election is a matter of principle! And so help me God, I will stand like a rock, no matter how I am bashed against by the wave of compromise and weak-minded individuals who follow wherever the wind of change blows them. The Constitution is what this country was founded on - our very laws. I stand by that, and I do not believe MR stands for that. In fact, most of Congress does not stand for that, unfortunately!

    I AM Tea Party, and Tea Party answers to no one but the Constitution. But before that, I am Christian. And as such, I answer to no man, but GOD alone. If I didn't believe so strongly about my beliefs, I wouldn't be a Christian. I'd be something else. But as such, I try my best to live my beliefs. And that automatically spills over into my voting, as it should for anyone, Christian or not! If that offends anyone, I am sorry that you are offended, but I am not sorry for my beliefs.

    To take from a few of Patrick Henry's words, "Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! ... Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God, I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"...

    Is our life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of throwing away our freedom and trading our values for toeing the 'party line'? Forbid it, Almighty God, I have an idea of what others are voting for; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

    There is a time to take a stand and now is the time. We have come this far, but, God help us, we will go no more! The line has been drawn in the sand and sides have been taken. Either you are for one side and against the other, or against one side and for the other. It can't be both.

    As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. And I will vote accordingly. You are right about one other thing: nothing can be done about that.

    God bless you, God help us all, and may you vote your values this election!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Very well said. It is this same spirit of compromise and apathy that plagued the children of Israel into bondage so many times. They became too "cultured" to hear common sense and the voice of a loving God. Google 'Tytler Cycle' and it's painful to see how repetitive we humans are. But let's remember to pray for the Christian church that we all walk after the Spirit and not the flesh.
      Me and my house will serve the Lord.

      • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

        Amen! God bless you and your house! And you are so right, thank you for the reminder to pray for the church!

    • LeSellers

      Let's not forget that even Ronaldus Mangus (Rush Limbaugh's affectionate nickname for Ronald Reagan) did not abolish the Department of Education. He did not reduce government (and only marginally reduced the rate of growth of the government).

      Momentum is a hard force to resist, and none of us is perfect, however good and righteous his intentions.

      "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one
      by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." — Edmund Burke

  • savemyca

    What a redicilous question. Of course its OK for Christians to vote for Romne. We are taught we are all one in God's eyes. Of course we don't vote for TRAITORS like America did with Obama.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

      Didn't say that in the Bible anywhere. It did say in Malachi 3 ch. to discern between him that is right and him that is wrong.

  • savemyca

    That's rite. I lft out, I will vote for any real Religionm, not *Islam as it is a TYRANCIAL ONE SIDED OR NOTHING DICTATORSHIP, NOT A RELIGION.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

    Everyone, stop this paul bot zombie stuff right now! Listen, Obama is going to be elected to the White House in 2012 whether we like it or not. He's doing everything he can, both legal and illegal to be elected. So stop this nonsense immediately. Both parties are the same and the whole thing is a circus. We are being led about by the nose and divided like none other politically.

    Stop this nonsense. All of us are better off protesting with our ballots. Both parties are headed for a meltdown as people realize that neither serve the Country's interest anymore. Both the Democrat and the Republican Parties will implode as more and more Democrats realize what kind of an Amateur Obama actually is. William Jefferson Clinton knows it, and I'm sure George Bush II knows it also. So it's better to stop bickering amongst ourselves and realize what is going on. The whole campaign is a circus to keep us divided and in the dark.

    Wake up!

  • tomnchrist

    Romney is a CFR Mormon. Same people that controll Obumer will control him.
    This article only applies after you have been conquered.
    Rinos turned down several better candidates to get to Romney.
    As an independent, i will watch and see if you McCain again,

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      As an independent, I hope you will vote according to your conscience, as we all should. Yes, you are right, RINOs turned down MANY better to get to Romney. I agree with you. But please, for the sake of America, don't rub salt into this wound. Please don't poke fun. If one goes down, we all fall.

  • Steve

    While I don't agree with the Mormon religion, the values the Mormon religion promotes are in many ways admirable. I'm not talking about polygamy; I instead refer to the sanctity of traditional marriage, the pro-life stance, the work ethic, and the prohibition against drugs. Just as not all Christians are perfect, not all Mormons are not 100% of those who claim any religion will be perfect and espouse the ideal of their particular religion. And I was impressed with Romney's visit to Israel and that him and Netanyahu have been friends since college.
    On the other hand, we have had 4 years to evaluate Obama. During those four years, the national debt has increased by 50% (from $10.6 trillion when he took office to nearly $16 trillion), the nation is more divided than ever through his marxist rhetoric about the rich, unemployment continues over 8% and the real unemployment rate, the so-called G6 rate including those who have stopped looking, are underemployed, or working part-time when they'ed rather be working full-time, is much higher. For those who point with pride to Obama as the first African-American president, look at the unemployment rate within his ethnic community. The national rate of 8.3 % would look good from many African-Americans who are experiencing unemployment over 30% within some locations and demographics. His lack of leadership is apalling. The Democratic controlled Senate hasn't passed a budget since April 2009 yet Obama seems incapable of getting Harry Reid on the phone to say "hey Harry, do your Constitutionally mandated job!". Biblically, Obama has been the first president since the establishment of the nation of Israel to treat it with disrespect. The Bible is pretty clear on that whole "bless them that bless you (Israel) and curse them that curse you" thing. Think we're experiencing a little of that lack of blessing??
    Obama has been the most pro-abortion president since Roe v. Wade and the first president to say publically that he supports homosexual marriage. Any Bible believing Christian should be out actively campaigning for Anybody but Obama. The Bible is pretty clear on both of those issues as well.
    How did we get to where we are? When the 2008 presidential returns were coming in, I was shocked to see that between 25 and 28% of those who identified themselves as "evangelical Christians" said they voted for Obama. Were they uninformed? Did they not realize what Obama's views were on issues that should be important to Christians? Or did they leave their Biblical beliefs, their morality, their convictions, and/or their common sense in the car when they went in to vote? I've heard that there are 60 million "Christians" in America. If those 60 million people turned out en masse and voted their Biblical convictions, there would never be a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-Israel candidate elected. In fact, there would never be a candidate who believes in taxpayer funded handouts, there would never be liberal judges legislating from the bench and saying students can't have prayer at their graduation ceremonies, or a nativity scene at the city hall, or any one of 100's of other things that should disgust Christians.
    Romney may not be the ideal candidate but if the choices are Romney or Obama, the decision is easy. Vote Romney.

    • Rick Olson

      As an FYI, the mainline Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints outlawed polygamy over a century ago. In order for Utah to be admitted into the union as a state, Congress insisted that Utah outlaw polygamy. In 1890, the Church issued an edict that polygamy had to end and anyone who practices polygamy is subject to excommunication from the Mormon Church. There are some splinter Latter Day Saints groups which split from the Brigham Young, Joseph Smith-led LDS Church that still allow polygamy, despite the fact that it is illegal.

      • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

        Polygamy was a HUGE part of salvation for Mormons and a huge part of Mormon beliefs when they first formed as a religion. If polygamy was so holy and if it was from God, why was it changed? Did God change His mind? Pressure and persecution from the government should have only made their beliefs stronger!

        The beliefs that TRUE Christians have from God hasn't changed. People ignore Biblical theology and come up with their own version of "Christianity," sure, but the Bible hasn't changed, and God's word hasn't changed.

        Polygamy used to be the pillar of Mormonism and a HUGE part of them getting to be gods over their own universes. Now it's something they have brushed off. They changed it because of pressure from the government. Why? Did the "angel of light," Moroni, change his mind? The Bible says that God does not change. Do Mormons believe that or not? if Mormonism is correct, why did they have to change in order to appease the government?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000175020450 Terrance Adams

          Exactly. I sincerely hope the veil of darkness is taken off of their eyes. Very nice people it seems but Satan doesn't care how he gets you. Whether on a bed of roses lined with good deeds and lies or a blaze of evil murderous rage. The destination is the same when you deny the Way, the Truth and the Life in Jesus Christ.

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      I agree with you in spirit and about everything you said other than voting for Romney. :)

      I disagree when you state, "Any Bible believing Christian should be out actively campaigning for Anybody but Obama. The Bible is pretty clear on both of those issues as well. "
      That is not correct. The "lesser of two evils" is still evil.

      • LeSellers

        Didn't Christ tell the man "There is none Good but God"? If so, then all are evil. We have no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils since God isn't running this time.

  • Norma Gleeck

    Mormons are Christians too, just like Pentecostals and Baptists, Presbyterians and Catholics even. We all believe in a God the Father, Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. Who started the Protestant religion to say the least?

    • http://www.juliesblogs.weebly.com/ julieloreen

      Even demons believe in one God and tremble. (James 2:19, among others). What is your point?

      • LeSellers

        It seems that people are hung up on personal definitions of "Christian". Many here, those charging us Saints with not being "Christians", use a definition that flies in the face of common terminology and connotation.

        However, I believe it was Jesus Himself Who said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

        Do Latter-day Saints teach people to be good or evil? Do we help families become stronger? Do we support righteous government? Do we give freely to others in need? Do we follow the teachings of Jesus Christ?

        You may claim that we don't have the same religious roots as your faith tradition. That is definitely the case, for we are neither Catholic/Orthodox nor Protestant, not creedal Trinitarian by any means. But I see your roots, and raise you our fruit.

        By any objective measure, we are who we claim to be: Christian to the core: "we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:26)

    • NWODB.COM

      Real Christians do no think they are going to be god when they die, Mormons do.

      • LeSellers

        Odd.

        Although not in the same way we Saints do, Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe in becoming gods, not the same way, but not altogether different, either.

        I trust you have never read the Anti-Nicene Fathers or Augustine of Hippo.

        To be "Christian" is not to adhere to a rigorous and narrow set of dogma, it is to have Christ as the center of you r life, to see Him and His teachings as "normative", guiding.

        When "Dr." Walter Martin invented the "'Mamunz ain't Christyuns" meme, he did so out of whole cloth. He redefine the term "cult" so it meant nothing more than "anyone who don't beleeevz what I does". (Historically, it meant a religion, nothing more, nothing less.)

        Any non-Evangelical dictionary will show that "Christian" is simply a believer in the divinity of Jesus Christ, a follower of His, one who puts into practice His teachings and commandments (yes, He gave commandments, no matter what your preacher tells you).

        We Saints ARE Christians. We believe in Christ, we hope in Christ. The ancient prophet recorded these words:
        For we labor diligently to write, persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, [even] after all we can do. …
        And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25: 23, 26)

        ,

        • NWODB.COM

          sorry, but anyone that thinks they are going to become a god is not a Christian, but instead is a Lucifarian seeing they follow the doctrine of the Devil's lie in the Garden of Eden. I just read the Bible, you can quote me Joseph Smith, Moroni, Augustine of Hippo, the Pope, or the musings of any other anti-Christ doctrine you want - but I will not believe it because it is another doctrine that the Bible warns about. Isaiah 43:10 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Galatians 1:8 though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
          than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Joseph Smith, his angel Moroni, and you sir are accursed according to the Holy Bible.

        • LeSellers

          Once again, you are relying on personal interpretation of scripture. I believe Paul warned against that.

          As I have said, this is not the place to discuss LDS doctrine. The point is whether other Christians can or should vote for an LDS Christian.

          The practical alternatives are to vote for O'bama or not vote at all. Your choice, of course, but rational people who oppose the inevitable loss of feedom a re-election would entail must recognize the danger either of these two options would inflict on us all, our children and grandchildren.

          You may hate us Saints and everything to do with "Mormonism" (which we recognize as the Gospel of Jesus Christ -- the Great Plan of Happiness), but surely you do not hate your own families enough to hand O'bama the power to destroy the very foundation of USmerica, the basis for the freedom you exploit to assassinate the character and faith of a good man who has spent his life serving God in the best way he knew how.

        • NWODB.COM

          personal interpretation? tell me where in the Holy Bible man will become a god. Unlike the book of Mormon my Bible does not have a disclaimer printed in the first few pages. This is the perfect place to discuss LDS doctrine - all these people that think Romney is a good Christan man that have never took the time to research anything about Mormons need to know your religion is not Christian, but anti-Christ. I will be voting for a 3rd party Christian. I do not hate anyone, even if you do profess the Masonic religion of Mormonism - i pray for your repentance. As for America it can go to hell before I will vote for an anti-Christ. Romney is not a good man he is a habitual liar (just like Obama), and he is not serving God, anyone that thinks they are going to be a god when they die is self-serving/self-worshiping. Someone please tell me what Romney is going to do that is so much better than Obama? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw

        • LeSellers

          I stand corrected. When I said, "surely you do not hate your own families enough to hand O'bama the power to destroy the very foundation of USmerica," I was wrong. You do hate your children and grandchildren.

          the problem with your approach is that, with all that hatred, you're harming MY children and grandchildren, too. For that, I am hard pressed to forgive you.

          Nonetheless, I bid you a good day.

        • NWODB.COM

          Brigham Young said that the Christian God is the Mormon's Devil:

          brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him
          describe his god, that the god they worshipped was the "Mormons'"
          Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts, and
          passions. The Devil was cursed and sent down from heaven. He has no body
          of his own; therefore he is constantly endeavouring to obtain
          possession of the tabernacles belonging to others. Some have grumbled
          because I believe our God to be so near to us as Father Adam. There are
          many who know that doctrine to be true. -

          Brigham Young,
          Journal of Discourses - Volume 5 - Testimony of the Spirit, etc.
          [Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
          ,1857
          ] http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/volume-05/

          pg 453 & 454 of that PDF. This is just one of many damning quotes from the founders and leaders of the Mormon Church. I will pray this turns you away from your Freemasonic Mystery School Religion of Lucifer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Johnson/100000824645514 Stephen Johnson

    It's just another election where we are forced to vote for the lesser of the two evils. Mitt is a satan cult member but so is Obama. Yes, I'll vote for Mitt but if people actually expect Mitt to overturn a load of the "fertilizer" Obama has put in place, they should only wish to live so long.

  • Julia

    The fact people nitpick like this shows an utter lack of common sense. My family is friends with another family who didn't like George W. Bush because he squeezed his toothpaste in the middle, and they voted for some obscure third party. The reality of the situation was Bush was the best option. Say you had an innocent person strapped down to a sick contraption, and in several minutes it was about to kill them unless you flipped a switch to make the machine only cut one of their limbs off. Of course neither situation is desirable, but you don't have another choice! Romney is like the limb being cut off, Obama is like death.

    • jazzpast

      A VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachel.shubin.79 Rachel Shubin

    Yeah, America's collapse would be a great idea. Maybe Mr. Unnamed Blogger should go visit a few places whose governments have collapsed and see how great things are for the people who live there. Maybe a field trip to some places in Africa would be nice and then they can come home and see if they still feel like making horribly ignorant claims.

  • strugglebuggy

    Mormon is better than socialist Muslim. not thrilled but............

  • John Pirtle

    I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cheryl-Lynn/100002438423776 Cheryl Lynn

    At least Romney has some moral scruples. He is the lesser of 2 evils.Get all Democrats out. Save our country.

  • Cincitiger

    I prefer a Mormon to a Muslim anytime. I am not crazy about Mormons but I detest Islam and its followers. Obama is a communist and Muslim at the same time and that is not good for freedom loving people. The Mormons may not be my favorite choice but they do have positive characteristics such as hard working and constructive. Look at Utah and other states. Islam is tyrannical, destructive and murderous as is the progressive ideology which Obama subscribes to. So I'll take the Mormon even though he's not my favorite. I held my nose for McCain four years ago even though he went out of his way to lose the election.

  • lar318

    Mormons believe in God and in Jesus.... that's good enough for me... at least they are as american as apple pie and during my hitch with the Army; I worked along mormons,,,, decent people.....r

  • JimRed

    Mormons have the same range of concepts of right and wrong (morality) as most Christian sects. Excluding, of course, KKK and Westboro Baptist types who claim Christianity and practice anything but. We* believe they are wrong in their theology and pray for their deliverance, but do not regard them as evil.
    *We doesn't include ALL of us, but you get the message.

  • Cliff

    You over pious idiots deserve Obama. You are so full of misguided hate, you hate everyone who doesn't see things through your eyes. You deserve what is coming when you vote that socialist anti-american fraud back into office. It is high time for you "evangelistic so called Christians" to pull your head out in the sunshine, forget Mitt Romney's religious beliefs and vote for a real AMERICAN not an imposter who was born in Indonesia or Kenya or wherever.
    I thought this blog was filled full of passive hatred because of Christian religious beliefs that the "evangelists" hate. Hate is strong and mocks the song of peace on earth"- Longfellow

  • wizard

    Latter-day Saints believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. They believe that Jesus is indeed the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus Christ is their Lord, redeemer, and savior. He atoned for their sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. They pray to our Father in heaven even as Christ taught his followers to do. They belive in the resurection and in the resurected Christ as described in chpter 24 of the book of St. Luke in the New Testament. Christ is the only way to return to the Father

  • ANMoore

    The word is out that there are lib-tards posting here pretending to be Christians trying to smear Mitt Romney. Beware..!

  • redrover

    We MUST get rid of Obama and never let anyone like him near Washington again!! He is a socialist......totally against everything that is American!!! That said-just about anyone at this point-would be better than Obama, however this mess shows us that we MUST be SO much more aware and a part of politics-from here on out!! Because of our lax partial trust in government we have caused disaster of huge proportions for our naiton and us.....our apathy has about killed us. EVERYONE MUST know the candidates and what they stand for and not just listen to lip service-but really know and research who they are and what they really stand for!!...HOW IN ALL THAT IS TRULY AMERICAN HAVE WE LET A MUSLIM ANTI-AMERICAN MARXIST IN THE PRESIDENCY THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THERE? HE'S THE ILLEGAL-IN-CHEIF!! FOLKS IT IS OUR FAULT NOT KNOWING WHOM WE ARE LETTING INTO OUR GOVERNEMNT....THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TOTALLY AGAINST ALL WE ARE; LIBERTY, FREEDOM, CONSTITUTION, FAITH IN GOD, HAVING OUR OWN SAY IN FREE SPEECH AND A HOST OF OTHER ANTI-AMERICAN THINGS!!!!!!! ALL WE HAVE BUILT AND STRUGGLED FOR, FOUGHT FOR HERE & IN THE WORLD FOR 235 YEARS IS WAINING...OUR VERY LIVES IN FREEDOM AT STAKE DUE TO O & HIS CRONIES WHO PUT HIM THERE WITH MONEY!!!!! GREED, IMMORALITY AND EVIL HAS TURNED EVERYTHING AROUND TO SATANS WILL AND THAT FOLKS IS NOT HOW IT IS TO BE.....NO MATTER WHAT-AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPALS AND THAT IS PROVEN!....NO MATTER WHAT OR WHOM DOES NOT LIKE IT-GOD BLESSED US TO DO WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAD DONE AND LOOK WHAT WE HAVE MADE OUT OF SUCH A BLESSING????? THE BEACON ON THE HILL IS A MERE FLICKER OF HER FORMER GLORY AND THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE; WE HAVE GOT TO SORT THINGS OUT; GET BACK TO FORGING AHEAD FOR THE RIGHT AND MORAL REASONS WE BEGAN IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! IT IS TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE LITTERALLY AND GET OUR GOVERNMENT BACK TO AN HONORABLE PLACE OR AS CLOSE TO THAT AS IS POSSIBLE IN POLITICS AND WE MUST DO IT NOW,OR WE ARE HISTORY AS A FREE NATION-PERIOD!! WE HAVE BEEN THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, A NATION TO LOOK TO FOR STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP! WE CANNOT EVEN LEAD OURSELVES ANYMORE MUCH LESS ANYONE ELSE AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE GOT TO SHUT OUR BORDERS, REIGN IN THE SPENDING-GET LEADERS WHO WILL BE HONEST AND WORK FOR THE COUNTRY AND NOT JUST FOR THEMSELVES. USE THE MONEY FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED AND STOP BEING SO STUPID WITH IT!!! IT IS OUTRAGEOUS THAT SOCIAL SECURITY HAS BEEN USED FOR OTHER THAN WHAT IT WAS INTENDED; PROVING THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED WITH ANY THING OF OURS THAT IS PART OF OUR MONEY! ARE THEY NOT TO BE LEADING US IN PROTECTION ETC; INSTEAD THEY HAVE LINED THEIR POCKETS WITH THE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE NATION ...ULTIMATE GREED AND STUPIDITY!! WE ARE AT A CROSS ROADS; TAKE THE BRIDGE AND GO STRAIGHT OR TAKE THE FORK ROAD AND SINK IN THE SWAMP AT THE END!! IT IS NOW-NOT TOMORROW...NOW-THAT WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE OUR DESTINY OF LEADERSHIP AND HONOR-OR SINK WITH THE REST INTO CHAOS AND EVIL!

  • ALOHA from HAWAII

    The Christian SAVIOR

    The record of the Bible concerning the SAVIOR of the world, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, is well known to students of Scriptures. In Christian theology, there is but ONE GOD (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6), and JESUS CHRIST is HIS eternal WORD made flesh (John 1:1; 1:14). It was the function of the second person of the TRINITY, upon HIS reception by the sons of men, to empower them to be the sons of GOD (John 1:12); and this, the Scripture teaches, came about as a result of GOD'S unmerited favor and HIS GREAT LOVE toward a lost race.
    THE LORD JESUS offered one eternal sacrifice for ALL sins, and HIS salvation comes not by the works of the law or any human works whatever, but solely by grace through faith (Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). The SAVIOR of the New Testament revelation existed eternally as GOD; lived a holy, harmless, and undefiled life, separate from sinners; "knew no sin." HE was "a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief" (Isaiah 53:3), "THE LAMB OF GOD, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

    The Mormon savior

    The savior of Mormonism, however, is an entirely different person, as their official publications clearly reveal. The Mormon "savior" is not the second person of the Christian Trinity, since, as we have previously seen, Mormons reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, and he is not even a careful replica of the New Testament Redeemer. In Mormon theology, Christ as a preexistent spirit was not only the spirit brother of the devil (as alluded to in The Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:1-4, and later reaffirmed by Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, 13:282), but celebrated his own marriage to "Mary and Martha, and the other Mary," at Cana of Galilee, "whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified" (Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, 4:259; 2:82). As we have seen previously, the Mormon concept of the VIRGIN BIRTH alone distinguishes their "christ" from the CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
    In addition to this revolting concept, Brigham Young categorically stated that the sacrifice made upon the cross by JESUS CHRIST in the form of HIS own blood was INEFFECTIVE for the cleansing of some sins. Brigham went on to teach the now suppressed but never officially repudiated doctrine of "blood atonement."
    To better understand Young's limitation of the cleansing power of Christ's blood, WE REFER TO Brigham Young's own words:

    Brigham Young said, Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and you put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.
    There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. THE BLOOD OF CHRIST WILL NEVER WIPE THAT OUT, your own blood must atone for it; and the judgments of the Almighty will come, sooner or later, and every man and woman will have to atone for breaking their covenants….All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed….I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins….This is LOVING OUR NEIGHBOR AS OURSELVES; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, SPILL IT. (Journal of Discourses, 3:247; 4:219-220)

    So clear-cut was Brigham's denial of the all-sufficiency and efficiency of the atoning sacrifice of CHRIST in the foregoing quotation that Mormons have had to develop an argument "to explain" what the prophet really meant. It is their contention that a criminal is "executed to atone for his crimes and this is all Brigham Young meant."

    However, they completely omit any discussion of the fact that Young's statement is not dealing with this subject at all. Young's statement declared that what CHRIST'S blood could not cleanse, a man's own blood atonement could. This teaches that in some instances human sacrifice, which Brigham states took place and which he sanctioned, was efficacious where CHRIST'S blood was not.

    The Mormons want no part of the BIBLICAL DOCTRINE of the ALL-SUFFICIENCY of CHRIST'S atonement, in the words of John: "The blood of JESUS CHRIST HIS SON cleanses us from ALL SIN" (1 John 1:7, emphasis added). This both contradicts Young and reveals the TRUE BIBLICAL TEACHING.

    • Gregory A. Swarthout

      More disinformation from a purported Christian. Go to lds.org to find out the truth.

    • ALOHA from HAWAII

      There can be no doubt from the biblical record that it is in JESUS CHRIST that we have redemption and that HIS BLOOD is the means of the cleansing of the conscience (Hebrews 9:14) and of the loosening from sin (Revelation 1:5). It is the very basis of our justification (Romans 5:9).

      The christ of the Mormons cannot save, for he is, as the apostle Paul describes him, "another Jesus," the subject of "another gospel," and the originator of a "different spirit," whose forerunner (the angelic messenger Moroni) was anticipated by the apostle (Galatians 1:8-9), and who along with the entire revelation is to be considered "anathema" or, more literally from the Greek, "cursed" by GOD.

      It may be difficult for some to grasp what is, in fact, an incredible concept, but Mormonism fits perfectly into the descriptions given by the WORD OF GOD. The greatest of the apostles, in his second letter to the Corinthian church, after mentioning a COUNTERFEIT jesus, a COUNTERFEIT gospel, and a COUNTERFEIT spirit, goes on to state that such occurrences should not come as a surprise to the Christian church.

      "For such are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workmen, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ, and it is not surprising, for SATAN himself transforms himself into an angel of light. It is therefore no great marvel if his servants also transform themselves as servants of righteousness whose end will be according to their works" (2 corinthians 11:13-15, from the Greek).

      This is harsh language, indeed, but it is the language of GOD'S choosing and it CANNOT be ignored by anyone who takes seriously the revelations of Scripture and apostolic authority.

      Mormonism, with its apostles, priesthood, temples, secret signs, symbols, handshakes, and mysteries, claims to be "the church of the restoration"; but at its heart, in its doctrine of the Messiah, it is found to be contrary to every major biblical pronouncement.

      • ALOHA from HAWAII

        The Virgin Birth of JESUS CHRIST

        One of the great doctrines of the Bible, which is uniquely related to the supreme earthly manifestation of the Eternal GOD, is the doctrine of the Virgin Birth of JESUS CHRIST. In one very real sense, this doctrine is indissolubly linked with that of the Incarnation, being, so to speak, the agency or instrument whereby GOD chose to manifest HIMSELF. Time and again the Bible reminds us that Deity was clothed with humanity in the manger of Bethlehem, and Christians of all generations have revered the mystery prefigured by the cryptic words of Isaiah the prophet:

        Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name IMMANUEL….For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the GOVERNMENT shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE. (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6)

        The apostle Paul refers numerous times to the DEITY of our LORD, declaring that "IN HIM dwelleth ALL the FULLNESS of the GODHEAD bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

        Attempts to minimize the Virgin Birth of CHRIST or to do away with it altogether, as some liberal theologians have energetically tried to do, have consistently met with DISASTER. This is true because the simple narratives of this momentous event recorded in Matthew and Luke refuse to surrender to the hindsight reconstruction theories of second-guessing critics.

        Some persons have, on the other hand, decided upon a middle course where this doctrine is concerned. They affirm its biological necessity. In a word, Matthew and Luke, who had access to eyewitness testimonies (Mary, Joseph, Elizabeth, etc.), never really believed the teaching as recorded; rather it was a pious attempt to endow CHRIST with a supernatural conception in order to add glory to HIS personality. Regardless of how distasteful the unbiblical concepts of liberal and so-called neoorthodox theologians may be concerning the Virgin Birth of our SAVIOR, no group has framed a concept of the Virgin Birth doctrine in the terms employed by the Mormon prophet Brigham Young.

        ~Mormon doctrine concerning the Virgin Birth of CHRIST was first delivered in the pronouncements of Brigham Young and has been consistently found in the teachings of all General Authorities throughout their history. It has never been contradicted and consequently represents the doctrine of the Mormon Church.~

        Relative to the doctrine of the Virgin Birth of CHRIST, Brigham Young has unequivocally stated,

        When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the HOLY GHOST. And who was the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle [body], it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve; from the fruits of the earth, the first earthly tabernacles were originated by the Father, and so on in succession….Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. (Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51)

        Now, in order to understand what "prophet" Young was saying, another of his pronouncements found in the same context should be considered:

        When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, ONE OF HIS WIVES, with him….He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. (Ibid.)

        As we have seen in the Mormon doctrine of "God," Mormon theology teaches that polytheism is the divine order. Belief in many gods is the cornerstone of their theology, and polygamous gods they are. Parley P. Pratt, a leading Mormon writer whose books are recommended by Mormon publishing houses as representing their theological views also writes concerning this doctrine:

        Each of these Gods, including Jesus Christ and his Father, being in possession of not merely an organized spirit but also a glorious immortal body of flesh and bones….(Key to the Science of Theology, ed. 1978,23)

        Added to this polytheistic picture are other official Mormon sources, many of whom confirm the SEXUAL CONCEPTION OF JESUS enunciated by Young and many others. Wrote Apostle James Talmage in The Articles of Faith:

        His [Christ's] unique status in the flesh as the offspring of a mortal mother [Mary] and of an immortal, or resurrected and glorified, Father [Elohim]. (ed. 1974, 473)

        Brigham Young, therefore, taught this unbiblical doctrine of which he spoke openly more than once as the following shows:

        When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle (body), the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. (Journal of Discourses, 4:218)

        The birth of the Saviour was as NATURAL as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we are of our fathers. (Journal of Discourses, 8:115)

        The base polytheism of Mormonism was never more clearly dissembled than in the foregoing statements, and Young's classification of the Father as a glorified, resurrected "man" CANNOT be misunderstood. The phrase "any other man" rules out the efforts of Mormon apologists to defend Young and unmasks the entire anti-Christian teaching.

        We see, then, the Mormon teaching concerning our LORD'S birth is a REVOLTING DISTORTION of the biblical revelation and one that is in keeping with the Mormon dogma of a flesh-and-bone god. In Mormon thinking, as reflected in the authoritative declarations of one of their prophets, our SAVIOR was PRODUCED, not by a direct act of the HOLY SPIRIT, but by ACTUAL SEXUAL RELATIONS BETWEEN "AN IMMORTAL OR RESURRECTED AND GLORIFIED FATHER" and Mary-a blasphemous view, which takes its place beside the infamous mythology of Greece, wherein the gods fathered human sons through physical union with certain chosen women.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          Brigham Young further declared: "He [Christ] was NOT begotten by the Holy Ghost….Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven" (Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51). There can be no mistaking the fact that the Adam-God doctrine is meant here, no matter how vehemently the Mormon apologists of today may deny that it was ever taught. The language is too clear, the cross reference easily demonstrable, and the denial of His conception by the HOLY SPIRIT evident for all to see.

          Mormon leaders, however, while accepting the doctrine as Young declared it, are extremely careful not to allow "the Gentiles" (all non-Mormons) to understand the full impact of the teaching until they have come under extremely favorable Mormon influences. This is understood by the fact that in Leo Rosten's A Guide to the Religions of America (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1963, 131-41), the Mormons employed the subterfuge of semantics to escape declaring this position to the general public.

        • ALOHA from HAWAII

          The Mormon church today finds itself, no doubt, in a very difficult position where this errant teaching concerning our LORD'S conception is concerned. Some Mormons with whom the author has spoken repudiate vehemently Brigham Young's doctrine of the Virgin Birth, maintaining that he never really taught such a thing; but upon being faced with statements from Young's Journal of Discourses and quotations from Mormon periodicals and magazines between the years 1854 and 1878, particularly, they are forced to admit that such was the teaching of their church under Brigham Young, they lapse into silence or reluctantly affirm it.

          One Mormon writer and historian, B. H. Roberts, writing in the Deseret News (July 23, 1921, Section 4:7), went so far as to deny that the Mormon Church taught the Adam-God doctrine or the doctrine of the Virgin Birth as pronounced by Young. Mr. Roberts wrote, in answer to the charge of the Presbyterian Church, "The Mormon church teaches that Adam is God….and that Jesus is his son by natural generation":

        • Gregory A. Swarthout

          Your claims as to what is included in Mormon doctrine are false. Bearing false witness is a sin.

  • kiteman

    Your choice is--Mormon or Islamist

  • RubyBlu

    It is not only 'OK to vote for a Mormon, but strongly encouraged'....your other choice is a muslim.

  • Rooinek

    For anyone to say that Mormons are not Christians is sadly misinformed. I am one. Jesus is the Christ, the only one through whom salvation can be gained, through grace and the atonement. I will vote for Mitt Romney, not because we share a common faith in the Savior, but because he is the best hope we have to rip this beautiful country out of the destructive claws of the left. These are the choices we have in November - Obama the communist, Romney the capitalist. Just to make myself clear - Obama the communist, Romney the capitalist. You choose America, choose wisely.

  • Steven

    The same thing happens every four years. The liberal Republicans foist a moderate to liberal candidate on the American people and all the conservative Christians say, "We have to vote for him, as lousy as he is, because he is better than the alternative. If we don't vote for him (Bush, McCain, Romney. etc.) we will get Obama or Clinton." This plays right into the hands of the Republican liberals. Here is a different kind of political savvy. Evangelicals can refuse to vote for Romney and let the republicans get their rear kicked in the upcoming election (they will probably lose anyway), then evangelicals can go to the Republican establishment and say, give us a better candidate next time or we will stay home again. The reason the republican candidate gets worse every 4 years is the party hacks know when it comes down to it, evangelicals will throw out their principles and vote for the Republican nominee no matter how liberal he is. To vote for Romney is to assure that the next Republican candidate is worse than Romney. Vote third party and send a message to the Republican establishment.

  • CSN

    I'd like to believe Romney will be better than Obama, but I believe this whole thing is pre-planned, and since Diebold controls most of the elections in the USA, it can be adjusted to put a Romney vote into a Obama vote. Very simple procedure to do and which is shown on Youtube. I know some good Mormons also, but those are the women. I've worked with Mormon men and all were corrupt in their business practices. I had a very bad experience dealing with them in a supplements business when I was a broker for them. They used me for a high ball, and when they got what they wanted, which was into GNC, they batted me out, so I could not collect the 10% owed me for getting them into a top natural supplements retailer in the USA. I was duped by them twice, never again. There were three different entities of that company, and all of them had the same practices. This is common in business, as most people behave badly in business, but Mormons are not exempt from being hypocrites, just as Catholics are not exempt for practicing Birth Control. Of course Mormons had to wipe out Polygamy in their church, as they wouldn't have gotten Statehood if they didn't!!

  • eagle1jim

    As a born again Christian, I believe that any Christian that votes for Obama is an ignorant fool. Pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion through late term, and pro-Muslim sum up Obama's non-Christian ideology. This upcoming election portrays good vs. evil. Vote Romney.

  • http://profiles.google.com/pudbertsavannahga Mort Leith

    Anything is better than voting for a Terrorist Socialist MUZLIM who HATES our country and our Troops ! ! !

    ANYONE BUT ODumba55 (ABO) ! ! ! !

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003946182747 Mildred Fischer

    A Mormon is a Christian. Most live a clean and spiritual life, more so than Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, etal. There are bad apples in every barrel but when one is exposed, the Mormons don't cover it up. The religion is not a cult.

  • McClain

    I guess that is what each person has to decide for themselves. personally I am going to vote for Rommn.someone like myself the only way I have to express myself is by my vote.therefore I am not going to waste it by voting for Obama!

  • True American

    Obama is a liar, did not keep his promises, hangs out with bad people, can't be trusted..Took our home, job, pride, and bleedin our country dry.Fed up need new blood in the White House...He spends time on trips, golf course, egging blacks against Whites Reds Yellow etc..employers against employees, rich against poor on and on..He has done nothing for America but made things worse, time for him to go

  • NWODB

    Show me where in the Bible it says it is ok to vote for someone that
    thinks when he dies he is going to be a god of his own planet. If all
    supposed "Christians" like your self would actually vote for a
    third-party Christian they would win, but until that time we are going
    to be stuck with politicians that either think they are god (obama) or
    think that they are going to be a god (romney). Also I would have to say
    that anyone that is trying to persuade the Christian populace to vote
    for an anti-Christ Mormon is probably a closet Mormon/Freemason
    themselves.

    Also Ann Coulter is not a conservative - she is pro-gay, and either is
    gay herself or with the amount of times she has been dating / engaged i
    doubt she is "pure".

    • LeSellers

      In re: Ann Coulter, it seems odd for a self-professed Christian to judge anyone based on no evidence whatsoever. As I recall, Jesus told us to be ware of judging because we'll be judged by the same measure we use when we judge others.

      And, now that I reflect on it, the same applies to judging Romney.

  • Rick Olson

    We could spend all day arguing back and forth and it will do no good. Let's let others chime in on this, shall we? Good luck and God bless!!

  • mojo

    jazzpast.....what are you? A plant from the "Obama" camp?

  • Mike

    I am for Romney now as compared to Obama's record of not keeping his word. At least Romney has pretty well kept his word. I thought the name of the church Romney belongs to is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-0Day Saints". There has got to be some christian influence in there somewhere or the church wouldn't use "Jesus Christ" in its name. I will sure give him a chance or vote for someone else in four more years - eventually I might get it right. Obama is too secretive, to forked tounged, too wishy washy for me. I am a simple man a senior citizen on fixed income and now my health care has gone up 40% on a law that does not yet take effect. Seems like a problem is just on the horizon. I will vote hor Romney.

  • petryss

    I didn't read all the comments but from what I did read, it looks to me as though the Morman is far favored over the moron!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1186478542 Ralph E. Zecco

    Do I really want to vote for Romney? Let's see, Obama started saying that he was for marriage between a man and a woman, but he called California voters bigots when they voted for that. Now Romney is stating about the same thing but now he states he believes in same sex marriage because it is their right? I don't see it in the US Constitution and I really don't know if I can vote for him. Let's see, Obama will kill the nation fast and Romney will destroy us slowly by not doing anything that is conservative. I agree with Obi-Wan when he stated, "You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." because when I heard that I thought at first he was talking about politicians and Washington DC.

  • craig

    a vote for Romney is a vote for the new world order, he was hand picked for us to vote for. We need to quit being fools and stop playing this fake, conservatives versus the bad guy democrats. Oh and fox news is "fair and balanced" and steel buildings can burn for a few hours and completely collapse to dust, but it could only happen on 9/11. Fools, all of us "reality" is what is spoon fed to us on our propaganda devices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roy.butler2 Roy Butler

    A vote for Mitt Romney is yet
    another vote for socialism. It's not about his religion vs Obama's.
    This election is intentionally rigged for voters to choose between
    Obama's socialism or Romney's socialism. Vote for either candidate, it
    doesn't matter which, and you will have voiced your approval for continuing the
    momentum toward a fundamental change in this Nation.

    What's
    worse is that this election is intentionally rigged against Christians.
    In their ignorance and stubbornness, millions of Christians will vote to
    continue the ungodliness that will bring about God's judgment. God's
    judgment is not coming, it is here. And, we've been sent to the field to
    pick the switch God will use to punish this Nation.

    Our
    only alternative is to throw ourselves on the mercies of the Lord by turning
    our voting booths into prayer closets. You see, the tally machines aren't
    the only ones that count the votes. God counts them to, and is faithful
    to answer our prayers.

    I
    will not be voting for either Romney or Obama in 2012. My ballot will
    read:

    "Dear
    Lord, in your judgment, please remember mercy. _____ is the candidate
    that I wish I could have voted for and one that should have ran for office.
    Lord, awaken your people and rise up leaders all across our Country that
    will lead us back to righteousness."

  • http://www.facebook.com/annem.erskine Anne M Erskine

    THE question IS how can ANY Christian even THINK of voting for Obama, supporter of infanticide and supporter of the ruination of religious freedom.
    ANY Christian can vote for Romney because he is a man with a moral and ethical core who has proven himself a man of trusted character. Where the heck is THE article urging Christains to vote for Romney and against Obama based on the above?

  • mattzweck

    i would vote for Romney not just because he's a Mormon. but because i think he can
    get our country back on the right track. and i believe he could take us to the future. unlike
    obumer.

  • Rev. Manuel

    The question is the the person we are really what he states he is. They all claim to be Christian, but most has two or more Faces. I voted for false christians, and my name was used with my permission.also. Most cases they claim to be a Christian because they were a tiny little knownothing cute baby.The question is who do you want " Jack the Ripper, or James Holmes with his AR15? for President??. We have no choise.. In most cases we are helping a phony into office who cares less about the People who voted for him into office. Yes it is our duty as christians to pray, and obey the laws of that Nation. I hate to tell you James B. Jordan, but in the Bible it does not tell you to VOTE.... Your lack of knowledge in believing in Miraclas. Jesus is still alive, and still is doing Miraclas. If you are going to a Chruch where there is no Miraclas you going to Funeral building with a Cross on top.Your into Religion, not Salvation, healing, and giving testamonies of God;s mighty Power, It is not about age, it is about DO YOU LOVE JESUS, AND SERVE HIM? The Bible will tell you about Wsidom, Fear of God is a good start, and shows you that there are two types of wisdom on is from God, and the other is from the Street. The school of hard knocks. In most cases you have to learn to use both. "We vote for the lesser of two evils" Mr. Jordan on your comments go find a real church where Jesus is still alive. You lost your first Love. Rev. Manuel.. Penticostal Minister. 'IN GOD WE TRUST, AND ONLY GOD'

  • http://www.facebook.com/alan.wood.982292 Alan Wood

    The answer to the question is NO, NO, NO!!!! I have seen estimates that over 1 million lost souls will join the mormon cult and be lost for eternity - unacceptable. Neither major party nominee is acceptable - I am writing in Jesus Christ for president.

    • LeSellers

      Jesus is not running this time.

      When He comes and takes His place as the rightful king, we'll have a perfect government. Not until then.

      However, we have been commanded to be wise as serpents, not stupid as doves. If you want O'bama to ruin USmerica, vote for whomever (or Whomever) you please. But it is incumbent on all of us to use the brain God gave us to at least TRY to steer a course that advances His design.

      Again, I remind everyone that no man is "good" according to Christ, so we are forced to choose the lesser of two evils, irrespective of our preference when that preference is not available. The old saying, "If we had some cake we could have cake and ice cream, if we had some ice cream," applies: we have to settle for brownies 'cause there's no cake, and there's no ice cream, either.

  • Priscilla A

    ROMNEY does belive in the Father and in His Son Jesus Christ and has testafide that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Saveyer I watched him on tv when he gave that testamoney To the world. So what gives us the right to say he is not a Christian. I have lissoned to him talk. When a person says that they are a Christion and you see they live a Christion life who are we to judge? ARE we claiming to be GOD The Father now? Just because they think a little different does not mean they are not. We all look differently at interpiting the Writen word thats why we like to give our two sence about everything.(The book of mormon?)Read it for your self. I have and no their are no evil mormon rituals in it that i
    found, And No! you are not going to burn in hell for reading this book, or the Bible or any other book for that matter, it's not pronogerfe, But it will give you some in-sight. I'm just saying do your home work before you say this man or any one eles is not a Christian. But if your want to Vote Depend on your self to lurn who this man is. As for me he was not my choise for Pres. but He is now, because of Oboma i Stand With All Faiths Now. Because I belive in the Constitution and want to keep it. FREEDOM IS TAKEN FROM MAN WHEN THEY TURN AWAY FROM GOD Our FATHER who loves us all.

  • Margaret

    Excellent article and reminder of God's ways. I pray each day that God's will be done for this country and the world.
    Peace comes from many different applications but rarely by ignoring the people who are governed.
    As the governed we have to know that we are not going to know how anyone will lead until he/she is in the seat of leadership. We must have faith that God is listening and giving us choices therefore we must educate ourselves in the truth and make the best selection possible. It does no good to throw a vote away on someone who can not possibly win and risk not defeating an opponent that we feel is unfit for the office.

    Ask for guidance and then do your part and listen to your inner voice which is part of God there to guide you. He will not make up your mind but he will tell you when you are definitely right or wrong.

  • law

    for all who don't know.....mormons worship The God of Abraham, The God of Israel.........any questions????

  • LeSellers

    Given Paul Ryan's Catholic faith, can it be long until we hear of a grand conspiracy to replace the Judeo-Christian basis of the government of the united States of America with (fill in the blank)?

    After all, everybody who's read "Dr." Walter Martin "knows" that Catholics are not Christians, either, right?

    Can Christians vote for "Mormon" AND a Catholic?

  • ALOHA from HAWAII

    Mr. James B. Jordan. You are NOT a Christian Theologian. Your essay that you wrote is way OFF.

    You must be a Mormon.

    Can you translate these words for me, Mr. James B. Jordan? If you are a Theologian.

    1. K sil.
    2. nabal.
    3. ewil.

  • http://twitter.com/ChristianEcon christianecon.com

    Whoever came up with the plan to tool Christians into supporting 30+ years of welfare for the idle wealthy was admittedly a genius.

    Honest Christians really need to crack open that New Testament though--Jesus was not about Ayn Rand's "Virtue of Selfishness," capitalism, greed, nor warmongering. He came to sacrifice His life for others, and He instructed us along the same lines.

    His purpose was antithetical to what many Christians have promoted economically the last few decades.

  • Elcamino

    Yes it is ok....mainly because Mormons are christians also. They use the same bible an dbelieve in the same God. so why not

  • joanmary3

    Appreciate the article. However, I can not vote for the president. Paul Ryan seems to be a good man, based on his record. Not hoping for the best, I am Praying for the best.

  • Jeff

    Did any of the biblical referenced leaders ever adamantly claim to be Christians or followers of God? Romney's "sect" is not a sect at all, but a cult that blasphemes the Name of God. I have no problem with someone voting against Obama, but when I do start having issues is when people come out in defense of Romney and actually promote him without addressing the anathema that needs to befall him, Glen Beck and all other Mormons. Christians must vote their conscience and if your conscience is seared enough to believe that a Mormon president is "good" for Christianity then you might have issues. We are to serve Christ first, not country, not ease, not comfort, not pragmatism. Just because the "top 2" candidates will garner the most votes doesn't mean that Christians should vote for either. There are 3rd party candidates out there who also have Christian morals, even some professing Christians. Why can't the 80% population that professes to be Christians rally behind one of those men? If those same 80% can fill Chick-Fil-A for a day they can also fill the voting booths and elect a true Christian conservative that will actually fight against this evil system we are part of while passing through this world. I will not be voting for Obama or Romney. Maybe Virgil Goode will get my vote, with casting a vote for Goode I could have a clear conscience before God.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karla-Brooks/100000680332877 Karla Brooks

    I have a big issue with Ayn Rand's influence, not the Mormon's. Here is why.

    Objectivism was created by a USSR era Russian immigrant. They espouse an Asian/Eastern philosophy that is diametrically opposed to Western Civilization, the Enlightenment, the Judeo/Christian created US Constitution and the Christian ethics based American School of Economics, the modified Capitalistic plan of the Christian Founders.

    She also stated that the destruction of Christianity in the US and the demolition of the Christian ethics were among her most important goals.

    This is not supportable by me, nor anyone I know. Watch this and she will tell you that the US was founded by evil fools, literally. We are to believe the Founders were evil?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKsv_SX4Y&feature=related
    Joe Brooks

  • USAFVET 1969

    What we have in ofice is destroying this nation that has stood for over 200 years. Mormons are better than a muslim, Homoxesual supporting Marxist. And the foot in the mouth running mate isn't a lick better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.lakatos.169 David Lakatos

    At least I know Romney is a American.

  • sandy kramer

    Romney is running for a secular office, not a theological post. Would you vote for a "pagan" over what many call the embodification of evil?

  • Luong the Viet

    I'm a Pentecostal Christian and will neither vote for the Mormon (and his Catholic pagan friend) nor for the Muslim.

  • RubyBlu

    Answer to your question: "Not only is it 'OK', it is recommended".

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Lofton/100000422569879 John Lofton

    Scripture makes it clear that as Christians we must do EVERYTHING to the glory of God and that what is not "of faith" is sin. Does voting for an unbeliever such as Romney the Mormon glorify God? Is a vote for Romney, whose Mormon religion teaches that Jesus is the spiritual brother of Lucifer, "of faith?" The answer to both questions is: No, of course not! Thus, DeMar's pro-Romney article neither glorifies God nor is "of faith." It is absurd on its face as was his urging us to support McCain-Palin in 2008.

    John Lofton, Editor, Archive.TheAmericanView
    JohnLofton.com
    Recovering Republican
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    PS -- More on this topic here: http://archive.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1178

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.horton Kyle Agorist Horton

    First off, your premise is off when you mention Paul's writing from the first letter to Timothy, When you take it as a whole, including his letter to Philemon regarding Onesimus, then Peter's letters where he asks us not to be troublemakers, you get the notion that the point is actually praying for Kings of the land to simply leave us alone. You skip over Acts where Peter prays a prayer of damnation over the kings of the land.

    Now, to move on to your inexplicable David reference; David was a man after God's own heart, this much is true. But your logic here would also legitimize taking another man's wife (after having the husband killed off) and a myriad of other sins that David committed and that were not legitimate, but that he begged forgiveness for. The point is to learn from the mistakes we and our predecessors have made. You should get that with all of your booklearning on the Bible;

    yet you're not only saying you won't be taking that historical advice (nobody voting for Romney [or Obama] is), but you are trying to bring down all other Christians with you into the madness that is the 2012 elections.

    No King but Christ. No Kingdom but the Church.

  • HK

    Mormons are good examples of living good lives. It is so obvious the difference between Obama & Romney. Having attended several branches of just the baptist churches, there is differences in what they believe in several areas, such as differences in the Godhead. Setting aside our differences in religion and using common sense about the character of people, it is so obvious the difference between Romney & Obama. Obama has done so much damage to our country. He gives preference to Islam and claims we aren't a christen nation. That should be enough alone. We should be happy for anyone of any faith who leads an exemplary life. Romney may not fill our every need, but he is 10 worlds better than the choice. What's scary is so many people don't realize what a disaster Obama is for this country. There is nothing evil about Mormonism, but a lot of unfounded fear and ignorance.

  • BillFortenberry

    Thank
    you for sharing this essay Mr. DeMar. It was a very interesting read.
    Unfortunately, the author is very much mistaken in his understanding of
    Scripture.

    First, it is extremely obvious from the actual prophecy given in Daniel 7 that this chapter
    is not a prophecy of four times of world-wide peace which are ordained
    by God. On the contrary, the description of the fourth kingdom given in
    verses 23-25 reveal that this is a prophecy of great sorrows which must
    come to pass before the reign of Christ. Those verses state:

    "Thus
    he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which
    shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth,
    and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out
    of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise
    after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue
    three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and
    shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times
    and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times
    and the dividing of time."

    Second,
    the passage in I Timothy which speaks of praying for kings was written
    when Nero was the Emperor of Rome. Nero was obviously not a good ruler.
    Therefore, I Timothy 2:1-2 would apply equally to both good and bad
    Presidents. It does not tell us how to determine between good and bad
    leaders. It simply instructs us in how to pray for all leaders
    regardless of their character.

    Third, Hebrews 5:11-14 does not mention anything about miracles.

    Fourth,
    the author's statement that "When they were old enough, God gave them a
    kingdom and kings" is directly contradictory to the record of
    Scripture. The Bible records that Israel rejected God by choosing to
    have a king not that God gave them a king once they were old enough to
    handle one.

    "And
    the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all
    that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have
    rejected me, that I should not reign over them." (I Samuel 8:7)

    Fifth,
    the claim that the author makes about Joab shows a complete ignorance
    of that portion of Scripture. Joab was not David's enemy. He was the
    general over all of David's forces and one of his chief advisers. He
    fought for David in the battles against Saul, then in the war against
    Ishbosheth and even against the rebellion of Absalom. In all of these
    cases, David fought in order to bring all of Israel under the
    leadership of the king that God had anointed.

    Mr.
    Jordan may have "thought long and hard on worldview issues from a
    biblical perspective," but it is painfully obvious that he has not
    actually studied the Scriptures in order to show himself approved unto
    God. (II Timothy 2:15)

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