Obama Administration to Go After Retirement Accounts

When threats of Communism were in the news, books were written at a feverish pace reminding us of the insidious nature of the beast. There were the “useful idiots” who praised communism, but they were few and far between. But there were others who believed that while communism was something we did not want to imitate, we could work with communists for common ends.

There were always warnings, however, that you can trust the communists . . . to be communists. In fact, there was a book by that title written by Fred Schwarz in 1960: You Can Trust the Communists (to be Communists) when it came to their allies, intellectual dishonesty, education, children and literature, brainwashing and language, the manipulation of truth, relativism, and the use of the term “peace.” Communists were always going to be communists no matter how much wishful thinking hoped to believe otherwise.

In a similar way, you can trust liberals to always be liberals or progressives. They will always push taxing and spending policies. We’re seeing more of the consistency of liberals in their call from removing the debt ceiling and the daily insistence that taxes must be raised in the rich so they can pay their “fair share,” a plank, by the way, that’s taken right out of the Communist Manifesto.

But there’s only so much money that can be squeezed out of the wealthy. The money has to come from somewhere to fund the liberal version of Utopia. Inflation, increasing the money supply via the printing press, can do long-term damage to the economy.

When liberals agreed to set up retirement accounts where taxation could be postponed, a lot of people were skeptical. Why would any liberal agree to such a thing? Now we’re beginning to hear rumblings about the possibility that the Obama administration is looking at the trillions of dollars of potential revenue in these accounts as Jeff Berwick is warning us:

“[T]he National Seniors Council has announced that ‘Obama (has) Begun to Push for a New National(ized) Retirement System.’ According to them, a recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRAs and 401k plans.”

Who will object to such a takeover? Certainly the people who have money in these accounts, but not the people who don’t. The appeal will be made to the 51 percent who voted for Obama. “Why should the wealthy have what you can’t afford to participate in?,” promoters of the takeover will argue.

Retirement funds will be in the same category as Social Security, collected and managed by the State. Is there historical precedent for this type of statist action? You bet there is:

“In late 2010 Hungary's government gave its citizens a choice: hand over all their savings to the government or lose all their state pension money. The government sought control over Hungarians' $14 billion in individual retirement accounts. The Bulgarian government did something very similar when it tried to transfer $300 million in private early retirement savings into a state pension scheme. They only managed to get roughly 20% of the funds they sought. Last year Ireland raided the private stash in the National Pension Reserve Fund with a 0.6% levy under the label of a ‘jobs plan’ in order to bail out insolvent Irish banks.”

Liberals will never change. You can trust them always to believe and act as liberals, that is, liberal with other people’s money. None of it is really ours. We only get to keep what they allow us to keep.


  • jag

    I suspect this will cause a funds-run on banks. Flash mob withdrawing will take down the small community banks/credit unions first. No doubt, the large survivor base will be controlled by the new socialist party, which in turn, will control whom gets what.

    • Mike Tanco

      We had a national retirement system called Social Security and a Democrat screwed it up. His names was Lyndon B. Johnson. If they had left the SS sysytem alone and let the people that had put money into it draw it out, it wouldn't be broke now.
      Four more years of this President will kill America and it's economy. The pot of gold will run out and we will be another Greece.

      • http://www.lewrockwell.com/ Tuci78

        "Four more years of this President will kill America and it's economy."

        What the hell gives you to think that such an outcome hasn't been his objective from the git-go?

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.nicoletti.54 John Nicoletti

          Exactly right,Tuci78. Obama's dream of a Socialist society is never ending. His mentor, Saul Alinsky, must be proud.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          Both of his grandparents were members of the American Communist Party & so were most of the people that shaped Obama's political objectives. He wants the USA to be just like Europe & thinks he can't possibly be wrong on that idea.

      • budman

        Mike: The problem is the Federal Government has been stealing from the Social Security System for decades now. How do you think Clinton balanced the budget? He took money from Social Security, General Fund and Federal Employee Retirement funds and left an I.O.U..
        People like daves like to think the Government cannot do this to individual retirement accounts but unaware of the billions in offshore accounts the Federal Government has already taken from them in concert with Wall Street and World Bank thieves. One of those cited in a lawsuit regarding this is none other than the Secretary of our Treasury, Mr. Geithner. Let's see if this gets buried like so many other things under this administration.

        • John

          Go to the Social Security Wed sight and do some research. No body took any money out.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-J-Shapiro/1390075048 Glenn J. Shapiro

          Any money paid into the SS fund that exceeded payments were put into the general fund. This was done by the LBJ admin to pay for the Great Society.

    • defiant1

      Tapping into/confiscating our retirement savings/accounts is not socialism, this is communism..............

      • El Lobo Bravo

        Socialism is the road to Communism. V.I. Lenin

  • Screeminmeeme

    Maybe seniors should withdraw everything from their accounts and stuff it in their mattresses. At least it wouldn't be accessible to the gov....but we'd be trading interest for security. It's something many of my friends are considering.

    ''Who will object to such a takeover? Certainly the people who have money in these accounts, but not the people who don’t. The appeal will be made to the 51 percent who voted for Obama. “Why should the wealthy have what you can’t afford to participate in?,” promoters of the takeover will argue.''

    Yep....that's how half of America thinks.

    Misery loves company and instead of using hard work and determination to pull themselves out of their dependency and entitlement lifestyle, those Obamazombies who live in poverty would rather drag the industrious producers down to their level by supporting the gov's move to steal their 401k's/IRAs. It's the old steal-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor Robin Hood argument.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Fryer/100000156546455 Carol Fryer

      When they go around to collect the guns they will simply search for your money. Better have a good spot.

      • fatman45

        Carol you are so right! They will also confisscate your food stores.

        • DixieAngel_76

          You should always keep those buried in a "midnight gardner" type of container.

        • Raymond

          Obama the muslim & his supporters
          want everything you have.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/6Q45NXB2BFTOIP7UKLX3XI7OZE Joy Bears mom

          Raymond....There are the "haves" and the have nots....and the have nots are the ones who reelected the jerk....and now everyone EXCEPT the have nots have to support the country. JUst look at who voted for the Half black so called president and it tells the whole story! Look who is sitting warm and comfortable in the white h ouse over thanksgiving with servants and PLENTY of gourmet food......and who is supporting the kids and the grandma?? Wonder how all those poor people wiped out by the flood and eating in soup kidchens for Thanksgiving are thanking the numbskull for all they have lost. Even BO is eating better than they are!

        • Raymond

          Obama the muslim was put back in office
          by the electoral vote, not the popular vote.
          Oh, let's remember that massive voter fraud
          enters into all of this.

        • Sniper

          The commie Soros spent a lot of money to get this ######## back in office.

        • Raymond

          Yes he did.

        • Ruggedlark

          What kills me, Raymond, is that there were numerous irregularities (cheating), and why aren't people screaming about injustice?

          I wanted to shoot myself. Really. To be alive in a mass of stupidity and helplessness, it feels like hell.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Conder/100000478880519 Keith Conder

          Actually Obama won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes too.

        • Raymond

          Actually he did not.

          Evidence of Rampant Fraud in Obama Election
          http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/evidence-of-rampant-fraud-in-obama-election/

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Conder/100000478880519 Keith Conder

          The real reason Obama won the popular vote is 3 million conservatives sat this election out. Yes, there was fraud in the election but I haven't seen evidence of enough to convince me it would have changed either the popular vote win or the electoral college win. It would have really only narrowed it some. As for precincts with high Obama responses, I can guarantee there are some out there, especially in those inner city cesspools that I have no doubt would vote Obama for all the freebies he is handing them. Now, more than 100% of registered voters voting in a location? AN entirely different matter. However, even factoring out all those fraudulent ballots would not provide a significant enough boost to change the outcome. Perhaps it would trigger a recount, like in Fla for example, but Obama could lose Florida and still win the election so again, it doesn't change the end result

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lori-Covert-Newton/100001551112957 Lori Covert Newton

          We had 4-5 counties here in CO. with 106 - 140 % voter registration !!! Pisses me off to no end.

        • The Blue Collar Man

          Joy. 6.25% African Black, 43.75% Arab, 50% White, doesn't equal 1/2 Black. His Mother was a Communist, so obumbler is barely part American.

        • Vincenta

          Jamie Fox, the actor, said Obama is is Lord and Savior. How many more like him feel the exact same way? It may be better that one man be sacrificed than the whole country bleed to death.

        • fiftysevenchevy

          He'll GET everything, Including all my Home Loaded .270 rounds at 3100 feet per second!

      • Mike

        Better be a good shot is more appropriate.

        • craig

          we are

        • Phillip_in_TX

          Happiness is: "Hitting your target!"

        • Jim L Adrian

          amen

        • GREG

          AMEN AGAIN AND AGAIN

        • capitalust

          Gun control is being able to hit what you iz aiming at. Happiness is warm gun (bang bang, shoot shoot, yes it is!)

        • fiftysevenchevy

          And so is Gun Control!!!!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKMLAM7GHCGHIGNXECMO7YYMUI nancy

          Gun Control ; is using Both Hands .

        • Ruggedlark

          I love the commentary here...Its uplifting! Thanks.

        • http://www.facebook.com/rich.geshel.7 Rich Geshel

          Hitting what your aiming!

        • Penny Lyn Haulman

          Through screwbamas arrogant brain

        • Searcher98

          So is trigger control.

        • The Mutt

          They better come prepared for a fight!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HM63OD3M3DCXW4RFTETVMJBMOM Shell

          Mutt, they will be prepared in a massive group, remember the "have nots" who haven't worked, been diligent and saved will be the army against those that "have" who have worked and saved, and even if you have a gun they will have more extensive weaponry, that by the way your taxes helped to produced, and their helmets will be blue (UN), consequently if you haven't amassed an army you will have no defense.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          Don't bet on it. We may not have tanks or miniguns, but we have ingenuity on our side. If the Taliban can build IED's I am sure we can also, as most of us are educated far beyond the Taliban or Al Quida. Blue targets, I mean helmets are easy to see & are better than a small bulls eye or big game.

        • [email protected]

          Ever heard of "Combat Engineers", now called Sappers?? We learned way too much, and, i don't think any of us has actually ever surrendered our FM 5-34's. I have one for each of my family. Great manual, and can easily be accessed at the GPO site, as are maps, at the. Gov web site. Many defense and survival manuals there that the MIL still claim are the Combat Troop's Bibles.
          I am, and have been ready since Carter.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lori-Covert-Newton/100001551112957 Lori Covert Newton

          This helped me understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapper

        • FLBuck

          What a organized army would be mostly concerned about is veterans like myself that have a background in unconventional warfare. Look what happened to the Russians back in 1980 when they invaded Afghanistan. The Mujahadeen resistance fighters kicked their asses so bad that they withdrew in such that it was termed their Vietnam. Besides, if a foreign military stepped on the shore of the U.S., it could mean an act of war.

        • Penny Lyn Haulman

          You mean like Fr Hood terror or Benghazi

        • Searcher98

          Besides, if a foreign military stepped on the shore of the U.S., it could mean an act of war.
          Not if invited.

        • oldgringo

          Blue Targets.....I like that one!

        • http://twitter.com/SpiritofAloha SpiritofAloha

          finally found a bunch of commentary that isn't full of hateful libs. Now how do we turn this into an actual underground army? they are reading all our posts right now!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rob-ONeil/1049752176 Rob ONeil

          good question, I'm interested.

        • Friscolady

          Blue Helmet just make better targets.

        • capitalust

          Remember to aim just below the blue helmet, unless you have a good round that will go right through it.

        • Friscolady

          I am a vet and retired LEO, I know where to aim. Blue helmet just identifies them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lori-Covert-Newton/100001551112957 Lori Covert Newton

          Define LEO please. TIA, BRAT for life Lori in Lakewood.

        • Friscolady

          Law Enforcement Officer.

        • Les Curtis

          That blue helmet is actually a blue helmet liner. You can penetrate it with a good slingshot. It's that rock hard head underneath that will offer the most resistance.

        • DanW

          7.62x54R good enough?

        • Johnny Geetar

          Shell you grossly overestimate their abilities, and grossly UNDER estimate ours. Maybe YOU fear them, most of us do not. Remember, over 100 MILLION gun owners and over 320 million firearms at our disposal. Once word got out they were on the move & kicking in doors, every neighborhood and highway, every town, every city in America would become a killing zone for them. I don't care WHAT they're packing; 100 to 1 against semi-autos, you're dead meat.

          Further, if they pass gun confiscation laws, an administrative collection will fail miserably. (Administrative collection, as in you have 30 or 60 days to surrender your firearms at designated collection sites or face penalties) A few limp-wrists may turn them over, but the vast majority of the populace are smart enough NOT to. Folks are spending every last dime they have on firearms right now. Trust me; they AIN'T doing it to give those firearms over because Obama doesn't like them. If they come for money or guns or both, be they national guard, regular military, UN troops or local law enforcement tac squads, it's game on, and they will be chewed to pieces. Remember, 100 million gun owners means about 100 million homes to invade. You think they got that kind of manpower amongst them, or support amongst the populace? You give them way more credence than they warrant.....

        • don

          what you say sounds good but in reallity you will be on your own. it sad but we are a weak nation of god less people.most people are buying gun for the riots they think are coming not the goverment.

        • Jude O'Connor

          Check the gun in the house law in Kennesaw County Georgia.

        • EDW

          @yahoo-HM63OD3M3DCXW4RFTETVMJBMOM:disqus The problem with your thought process Shell, is that they haven't worked. And they are not likely to work. I don't believe our military, or even local law enforcement would agree to a gun confiscation plan. It doesn't work. The criminals with unlicensed guns are not likely to volunteer the fact that they have a gun and turn it over. So ultimately, if they ever did actually confiscate guns from law abiding citizens, only the criminals will have guns.

        • monacall

          your so right, the gun shop i go to can't keep enough guns in store...or ammo....you also better stock up on food, water, survival essentials. its gonna happen....people will be killing people for food, just like at katrina....and worse.the whole nation will be at civil war. so the sooner we can get this going the sooner we can get our country back on track. back to the constitution......

        • paul

          here is a thought too get manuals on how to to break down said weapons by removing the parts that make it a useful item take some hand guns off the top of my head can have the parts easily removed
          also get active in a gun range would be wise thinking too

        • http://www.facebook.com/nunyer.binnis.18 Nunyer Binnis

          Blue helmets look best full of holes.

        • Billy Hill

          Good for fence post caps along my driveway,with a nail hole middle front..

        • dndvaughn

          shell, id rather die shooting 'UN' guys who don't belong heree than fold under to this darm half black man...

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.holiday Hiram Holiday

          He is 1/8 black, 1/2 white, and the rest is Arab slave traders.

        • The Blue Collar Man

          Hiram. As I've read about Poison obumbler's blood lines, he is ONLY 6.25% Black, but that isn't American Black, it's African Black. He is very little American, something many don't actually know.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lori-Covert-Newton/100001551112957 Lori Covert Newton

          I have over the years encountered a few African blacks. They don't even recognize american "blacks" as being black.

        • The Blue Collar Man

          I worked with a Black man this past year, who I shared mutal respect with.
          In a conversation, he said that American Blacks "hate" Africans. Surprised me, and he added that Africans are viewed as low class. Guess its like the diff between a Black, and White. Odd.

        • rekdr

          Does this mean we should not stand our ground, if you don't you are a chicken s***. Better dead than red. They can only kill one of me and I bet I get more than one of them. They wont bring the big guns until a few of the pigs get killed so stand up and fight.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.holiday Hiram Holiday

          Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXBXB2ER5P4ZNCBEZVITE5FTEI morris

          Presently there are over 120 million registered firearms in the United States, and probably even more that aren't registered. That makes the civilian militia potentially the larges army in the world, larger than all the armies in the world combined. Don't care what color their helmet is, many might use that bright blue as a test for the accuracy of their gun sights.When one of them goes down, civilians will quickly "liberate" their weapons and ammo. History has proven that Guerrilla Warefare has proven itself to be the best offensive against a trained and organized military force.

        • AnOrdinaryVoter

          Registered? Who the Hell registers a firearm? Nobody I know, and all I know are otherwise law- abiding solid citizens.

        • Searcher98

          I have competed in rifle matches. Therefore my rifle is registered.

          Did you buy your gun at a gun store? Did you fill out the Fed.Required form at the time? Your gun is registered.

          Do you belong to a gun club? Your name is registered as a gun owner.
          Insidious isn't it.

        • AnOrdinaryVoter

          You're right, it's absolutely insidious. That's one reason I'm happy to be able to answer "no" to the above questions, and to encourage people to only buy from private owners and therefore bypass the Fed's paperwork, assuming that's legal in their state. :-D

          Another thought: having one's name "registered as a gun owner" is wildly different from owning a registered gun. Say my neighbor, "Bubba," belongs to the local gun club, and is therefore on "the list." If and when the gendarmes come to his door looking for firearms, I'm sure good old Bubba will hand over a couple of crappy old pea shooters, grumbling the whole time.

          I'm equally sure that the existence of the large number of firearms Bubba bought before the NCICs system existed, purchased from neighbors, and inherited from his uncle and has stashed around his property will remain unreported by him. Bwahaha...

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lori-Covert-Newton/100001551112957 Lori Covert Newton

          Let's not forget they have other ways to find out whether we have guns. If you have kids ask Momma about what kind of questions were asked of her all in the name of safe guarding your child's health. Right now we have Kaiser and I got handed a sheet with questions about what, how and when I'm feeding my kids, drugs in the home and lo and behold they slip in there a question about whether we have guns in the house ! They also handed out a SIMILAR sheet to both my boys which they were to fill out without undue influence on the part of the parent. It's here and already happening boys and girls. I wouldn't be surprised if you tell them it's non of their dam n business they probably have a separate piece a paperwork that they mark a "yes" on and put in your file how unco-operative you are. I have had doc's note in my file that I've been unco-operative before. Hell yeah when it comes to my kids ! I've had some darn good doc's too that put themselves on the line (immunizations) because it was in my sons best interest for us to hold off (we're not talking withholding permanently) by just a few months for his sake. The doc was reprimanded by the state of Indiana for not doing his part to keep immunization rates up. He could of lost his license ! We will be looking for a different insurance co. after we have a few things medically taken care of first.

        • Vincenta

          We'll just have to machine our own. Does anyone know why Homoland Security has been issued billions of rounds of ammo, attack vehicles, copters, etc.

        • Plubious

          These registrations mean nothing. You could have sold the gun and it could have changed hands many times since then.

        • danimal

          I'm not worried about the "have nots" because they are too lazy to do anything. If you put their food stamps under thier work boots, they would starve to death

        • Raymond

          They will be.

        • Ecoplastican

          That's what I say brother.

        • http://www.facebook.com/nunyer.binnis.18 Nunyer Binnis

          Head shots. Make 'em count.

        • paul

          or center mass

        • eddyjames

          They have bullet resistant vests. Grain area cut the femoral artery and they'll bleed out in minutes.

        • KurtofLA

          The problem is that Americans would be killed and the gangsters have a good time

      • Phillip_in_TX

        They won't be collecting much money; however, lead is a much different story.

      • Don

        These useful idiots in our Government aren't stupid in the sense that they don't have a back-up plan, and my best guess is that the Feds will print, and distribute different currency notes, rendering the DOLLAR worthless. Burying your dollars won't do you any good. Their intent is to not let the citizenry outsmart them. About three years ago there was a RUMOR that the US Government had already printed the Amiridollar, have them stashed in secure vaults, and ready for distribution on order. This may, or may not be true, and i don't want to sound like an alarmist, but it is very possible since there is talk of confiscating all retirement accounts.

        • cactusbob

          A good "currency" for your former 401(k)'s and IRAs is gold and/or silver coins, well-concealed but available for use. No off-shore accounts in other currencies are needed, and gold and silver won't depreciate like dollars will. Or so I've heard.

        • outspokeninutah

          but again as done under hitler, ONLY the new mark was acceptable....not gold, silver or jewels

        • capitalust

          Read "When Money Dies" - economic history of the Weimar Republic hyperinflation. Caused by government inflating the currency supply (seems like I've seen that somewhere else recently). Once it passes a certain point, "faith" in paper money collapses, and you wind up with billion Mark first class stamps, and people heating their homes by burning currency - cheaper than coal. The scariest aspect is that the Weimar economic collapse was the MAIN cause leading to the rise of Hitler.

        • relayman

          Unfortunately, there is precedent when Roosevelt, (illegally) through executive order seized gold
          and made transactions in gold unlawful (sic).
          The penalty was 10 years in jail.
          The crisis then was the great depression. The same will be applied in this economic
          crisis, since the guvmint does not what anything competing with its corrupt
          fiat. Another reason is clearly that honest
          money, gold and silver coin would quickly show the nation a safe and swift way out
          of this fiscal mess we are in. So I do
          not think gold and silver will be much help at all when the system
          collapses. A wise person would be hoarding
          water and food in that order.

        • capitalust

          Silver and gold coins keep their value best if physically carried out of the U.S. with you as you leave for good. Any left in the U.S. will be confiscated in exactly the same way that Obama's hero FDR did it. Dollars have already lost 97.5% of their purchasing power (in terms of gold - $41/oz to $1725/oz) since 1971 - more than half of that since Obama was elected the first time ($800 to $1725). At current rate, gold will be $3500 an ounce by end of Obama's second term, but I fully expect the rate of increase to go up steeply - maybe $10,000 an ounce? $100,000? That cliff is very real, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. U.S. is already bankrupt.

        • Feelinlikeadufus

          I've seen photos of the new currency. You can probably google it.

          This overthrow has been WELL thought out and planned. They got a lot of practice in finances in Europe and fighting in the middle east. We will look like they did. We've handed our enemies our satelite technology, our incredible weaponry, our financial system, and now our whole government. Yeah, it'll be a hell of a fight. How do I pick off that drone that's 12 miles away from me, being operated by a little 14 year old fukwad in China, before he get's me?
          George Soros, the muslims, and the media will be cheering him on.

        • capitalust

          I've seen photos of the proposed new currency, with Obama on the one dollar bill (which btw, will be worth only 47 cents). I am ALL IN FAVOR of this currency. It looks fabulous to me. Because there is a federal law that U.S. currency can only have pictures of DEAD PRESIDENTS on it (except for Ben Franklin, the greatest American President who was never President of America). See? All in how you look at it. Bring that new currency on!

        • dshevlin

          Good point feelinlikeadufus. The only way to make it fair would be no technology, no satellites. Maybe God will intervene there. Very possible a solar flare or the like could hand us this advantage. Pray for divine intervention. The only thing commies fear is GOD.

        • outspokeninutah

          that is what hitler did, you had to turn in all your money and everyone got the same amount in the new marks.

      • DixieAngel_76

        Hide your guns too.

        • PMM

          Why do you think they bought all those hollow point bullets (they can't use them anywhere but in the United States since they are outlawed everywhere else). Also consider the fact they have some 18 to 24 year olds working for homeland security that they trained (and when you see pictures of them holding guns, the pictures don't look a whole lot different from the children in Gaza that are taught to hate and kill. This administration has done so many things that should have scared people enough to get rid of him, but the draw of free stuff won over and our country lost and those of us who care lost our country. I know where the Obamas of this world spend their eternities............................

        • Military Patriot

          I disagree. If it comes to the point of having to hide your guns, then it's time to use your guns against the oppressor.

        • DixieAngel_76

          Yes, use your guns, but always hide some spares in case.

      • http://profiles.google.com/pudbertsavannahga Mort Leith

        I would LOVE to see them come up to N Georgia in the mountains and even TRY to take ANYTHING from us... it would be hilarious.,

        • DixieAngel_76

          Don't ever think you're untouchable just because you live in a remote area. You're not. All they have to do is drop a few strategic bombs to block roads and passes out of the area, and from there they can take their time finding you. Than old saying "united we stand, divided we fall" has never been more relevant than it is today, and this corrupt, evil government knows it. They have spent the last four years dividing America like never before, also letting in millions of illegal immigrants who have no loyalty to America anyway. This has all been a part of their plan from the beginning.

        • Raymond

          Only God can stop them & He will
          in His own time.

        • Raymond

          I know you don't believe this but
          they are prepared to do just that.

        • feelinlikeadufus

          They'll just send an Apache.

        • Sniper

          I don't believe the military will fire on the american people but will join in to save this great nation.

        • capitalust

          I hear that Snith House has a good hidey hole that used to be a gold mine. Ought to be good for holding lots of armaments. Probably lots of other old gold mines around those parts. Really good vaults, just sitting there.

        • Ruggedlark

          Read "One Second After" by Wm. Forschten. Maybe spelled his name wrong, Its, after or later. I had the book and lent it-haven't gotten it back.

          Very Illuminating.

        • Ruggedlark

          Um, and it wasn't hilarious. The end of our time won't be. Be assured of that.

        • oledad48

          I wondered that same thing myself -- just how did Stalin take over the entire USSR -- placing it under his iron control in a matter of weeks? and then I learned how he did it. (I believe my source was "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB" by Christopher Andrew. Or perhaps Stalin's Secret War by A. Tolstoy).

          In a nutshell
          Stalin trained 10,000 secret agents (good pay and food and shelter for families in exchange for loyal service).

          On one night, he sent out an agent with a platoon of soldiers to 10,000 villages. No one but the soldiers had guns.

          The lowest peasant in the village was discovered by questioning the villagers. He was made "commissar" of the village, directly responsible to the regional commissar. He was given the best house in the village. Protection. Salary. If the hard working owner of the house objected, his children and then his wife, and then he himself were shot. The rest of the villagers got the message quickly. If not, they were shot, or hung by wire. 10,000 villages under control in one night.

          The next night, another 10,000 villages were "transformed." Initiative and self-reliance were executed in the name of freedom and liberty for the working class.

          Within two weeks, the nation was under the central control of Moscow (Ah, Stalin).

          Partisans did not last long, as villagers were punished (killed) for giving aid to "the peoples' enemies."

          Lenin did his work in the late 1890s through 1924 when he died. Stalin (1925-1953). Today, Vladimir Putin carries on in the name of the "working people." Tens of millions of citizens have died "for the good of the people." Tens of millions more in China. Tens of thousands in Cuba . . . The smiling Beast of "hope and change" becomes snarling tyranny and oppression. It has taken a long time to make Americans "disgruntled" with capitalism, wealth, upward mobility. But the recent election shows the message is being bought -- has been bought -- by half of our country.

          It would be much simpler today to corral us all because millions of Americans have posted their thoughts to places like this and twitter and facebook. We are required to sign in with email addresses, and those are associated with birthdays and ID numbers.

          When the dictatorship comes -- be it Obama or one far worse for which Soros paved the way -- there are tens of thousands of minorities and illegals who have been "oppressed" and who will gladly rise up and put the Rich (or the White or the "Old fashioned" Elderly or the "Insanely Religious") down "for the good of the people." The rhetoric has been blazing out in the open for 6 years now and longer. MSNBC and others sympathize with it. They are the new Pravda -- the government mouthpiece, denouncing every opposition against Obama's policies as "racist." Homophobic. Anti-Latin. Narrow. Extremist. Romney the wife killer, the dog hater. It is classic Communistic class warfare, and people have begun to get used to being called "socialist." (Newsweek: "We're All Socialists Now!" when Obama was elected in 2008.

          I live in Texas, the reddest of red states. But our middle class neighborhood is surrounded by section 8 housing -- filled with people who live for today without insurance, savings, or steady income. I'm going to grow a garden in my backyard?

          I'll be fortunate not to have my front door bashed in and everything taken after my wife and I are killed.

          And even if I had a gun, how many would I have to kill before they killed me?

          If not today, then tomorrow?

          Things get bleak fast when society collapses. And everything Obama has done in 4 years has moved us toward minority anger ("vote for revenge"), economic collapse (gold $800/oz to $1725/oz in 4 years), military weakness, and attacking the producers (higher taxes!). This is very similar to what Lenin did in the 1890s (failed) and again 1917-1923 (succeeded), followed in 1924 with Stalin.

          It is not hopeless, but only God can rescue us from ourselves. And He will act only as we turn to Him -- as a nation, or failing that, as families and individuals as we prepare ourselves for what is coming. The majority of Americans simply do not believe there is a problem.

        • Screeminmeeme

          oledad48...Amen to your comments and sadly, I believe you are right.

      • Raymond

        It's not called "theft" when the government
        does it.

        • capitalust

          It's not called "slavery" when the government does it.
          It's not called "murder" when the government does it.
          It's not called "infidelity" or "adultery" when a Democrat does it.
          It's not called "child porn" when government workers download it all day.

      • Sarge tom

        Thats where they will die.

        • Raymond

          They government is prepared for
          such reactions.

      • Jude O'Connor

        Do you think those millions of hollow point cartridges were for hunting?

        • capitalust

          That's exactly what those were for - hunting down us recalcitrant whites, males and straights.

      • jwright673

        Or enough guns and ammunition to go out in a blaze of glory. I have had all the government intrustion into my life that I can take and I'd rather die fighting than to submit to these thieves taking everything I worked for. The feckless congress needs to realize this and just once, stand up to this imposter president.

      • Ecoplastican

        It won't matter at that point. I'll be dead. Defending my own against tyranny. You've got to draw the line somewhere.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXBXB2ER5P4ZNCBEZVITE5FTEI morris

        "It is better to die on your feet that to live on your knees." - Emiliano Zapata, Mexican Revolutionary General who led the Revolution. He was offered the Presidency, but declined saying he was a soldier, not a politician.

      • Ihatelibs

        Between the eyes usually works

    • vicki

      "....but we'd be trading interest for security."

      What interest? That 0.1% typical of savings?

      • PMM

        He who trades his freedom for a little security, deserves neither!

        • Raymond

          Ineptocracy -

          A system of government where the least
          capable to lead are "elected" by the least
          capable of producing, and where the members
          of society least likely to sustain themselves or
          succeed, are rewarded with goods and services
          paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing
          number of producers.

        • PMM

          Perfect and exactly what is going on. Obama used OUR tax dollars to buy the votes of the very people you speak of and they, along with the liberal luny fringe, elected him for another 4 along with all the voter fraud that no one is willing to do anything about. Obama loves Chavez, and he mimicked him during this election cycle by getting machines programmed to change votes, by getting folks to vote several times at different polling places and in different states and on and on. I do not consider him the ligitament winner of the election because the voter fraud problem was never addressed by anyone. When 141% of the voter age people in a county vote, we have a problem!

        • feelinlikeadufus

          ...and we got neither.

      • PMM

        And Vicki, you will never see any money you worked, saved and did without to save. They spent the social security money they robbed people of, and you may rest assured another Nancy Pelosi will look and see that money and they will end up spending every dime while safe guarding their own retirements....................

      • capitalust

        Please subtract the loss of objective value from that, which is currently running about 30% a year - so real interest is about MINUS 29.9%. Get all of your savings OUT of U.S.D. denominated assets. NOW. Gold and Silver are the last real money in the world. Buy them now while your dollars still have at least a little value left in them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O24NYT5HOQNDEJ3TUT5QOTLOF4 TM

      Well, that sounds good taking your money out but the catch is that obama health care crap already has it to take 1% out of every check that you have deposited into your account. That means your social security will be double taxed and any pension you receive too.

      When this is all you have to live on and they take from you to give to the welfare breeding SOBs and the illegal law breaking breeding SOBs it make mu blood boil.

      • daves

        Nonsense. This article is fabricated and there is no reason for you to believe obamare will take even a penny of your paycheck.

        Please try to prove me wrong.

        • ChuckC

          Dave:
          I have some more Kool-Aid for you to drink.

        • guest on this planet

          Cash your welfare check and remember to turn out the light in your parents basement you troll

        • daves

          So far a couple of insults but not one single attempt to prove me wrong. God bless you guest.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Meyer/1785162356 Roger Meyer

          I try not to insult anyone that I reply to.
          This article is probably true to a large degree, after all it is only common sense that if a candidate gives out free phones toa preferred voting group, that group is going to assume that they are entitled to special treatment.
          Al Sharpton, Farrikahn, and Jessee Jackson have been close confidants of Obama for years, thus one could only expect them to give Obama a list of "requests" after giving him the presidency, weather he qualifies for it or not.

        • daves

          The free phones you talk about is a program that started long before President Obama was in office. It gives 30 minutes a month so poor people can call emergency services.

          There is discussion of a radical plan to allow and maybe even require people to contribute to a government retirement program. There is zero discussion of taking away people's 401k's.

          I completely oppose this government plan and currently it has very little support in congress.

        • DixieAngel_76

          Maybe so, but did it ever occur to you that someone has to pay for those "free" phones so that the parasites can have them? But why should that bother you, as long as it's not your check getting taken, right?

        • daves

          Yes, we pay for those phones with fees charged on our phone bills.

        • DixieAngel_76

          Maybe that's ok with you daves, but I for one am getting really tired of the government being generous with MY money. If the government wants to play Santa Claus, then let them do it out of their OWN paychecks.

        • daves

          Daniel D. Huff, professor emeritus of social work at Boise State University, published a comprehensive analysis of corporate welfare in 1993.[17] Huff ratiocinated that a very conservative estimate of corporate welfare expenditures in the United States would have been at least US$170 billion as of 1990.[17] Huff compared this number with social welfare:

          In 1990 the federal government spent 4.7 billion dollars on all forms of international aid. Pollution control programs received 4.8 billion dollars of federal assistance while both secondary and elementary education were allotted only 8.4 billion dollars. More to the point, while more than 170 billion dollars is expended on assorted varieties of corporate welfare the federal government spends 11 billion dollars on Aid for Dependent Children. The most expensive means tested welfare program, Medicaid, costs the federal government 30 billion dollars a year or about half of the amount corporations receive each year through assorted tax breaks. S.S.I., the federal program for the disabled, receives 13 billion dollars while American businesses are given 17 billion in direct federal aid.[17]

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare

        • DixieAngel_76

          Yeah, I get your point, daves. You think corporate welfare is evil, and guess what? I agree with you on that, but guess what else? I don't think it is any worse than social welfare. A look around the poorest parts of the country should convince anyone that social welfare programs have done much more harm than good, and should be phased out, starting now. Not to mention that someone else's need, however legitimate it may be doesn't make legalized theft and redistribution morally right. It's STILL stealing.

        • Guest

          Since when has that stopped Obama! Executive Order???? Hasn't stopped him yet.

        • John

          Obama has had less Executive Orders that most President Go do some REAL research before you post stupid stuff.

        • goldram

          You are correct that GW started the phone program as a means for emergency phone contact "land" lines. The program expanded under Bam to give cell phones with 120 minutes with a three percent increase in recipients. And Dave if you pay your cell bill you also pay a surcharge to pay for theirs.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

          Thank you Daves for your involuntary generosity to these Obamites.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          When it was originally adopted, it was for landline service. Cell Phone service was enacted under the Bush administration for one cell phone / family & 30 minutes as you stated. Obama expanded it & since 2011 to now it has increased in cost from about $700 million to over $1.2 million now. Some families on public assistance have two three or four cell phones for each member & some are even selling them. It has gotten way out of hand & should be restricted to 911 calls only. You want to call your kids or relatives, pay for it yourself like the rest of us do. Remember 911 calls are free, they don't need a free (our dime) 30 minutes.

        • daves

          The law never changed under President Obama, there are just more poor people now.

        • jdangiel

          Compliments of Obama. End of discussion.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dan.gray.10 Dan Gray

          There is a bill in congress as we speak called the "guaranteed retirement account" which will take all 401K's and put them into the scoail security account and re-distributed. It is not "zero discussion" when they are trying to pass a law. Google it.

        • daves

          Here is a nice factcheck article about it. The rumor has been going around since 2008.
          http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/iras-401ks-and-you/

        • Raymond

          Factcheck.org is an ultra left-wing group
          that supports Obama & receives money
          from communist George Soros.

        • daves

          Raymond, many times I have offered you money to prove even one thing on factcheck to be wrong.

        • Raymond

          Why do people cite factcheck as if they are an unbiased reliable source?
          Factcheck.org is run by the Annenberg Foundation, the same Barack Obama and Bill Ayers were on. OBAMA was the chairman of the Chicago Annenberg project.

          Hmmm.. I wonder, could factcheck.org be biased towards Obama??? George
          Soros is also part of the Annenberg Foundation, which controls "Factcheck.org."
          Barack Obama served both as a founding and final member on the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was funded 1/3 by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation.

          In 1968 William Ayers was leader of the Weatherman, a well known domestic terrorist organization. Barack Obama, George Soros, The Annenberg Foundation (which controls "Factcheck.org) and Bill Ayers support the following:
          1) Ban use of firearms for home protection.

          2) Pass Federal laws eliminating your right to carry.

          3) Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

          4) Close down 90% of the gun shops in America.

          5) Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

          6) Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500%.

          7) Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who
          have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.

          8) Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.

          9) Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.

          10) Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who
          share his views on the Second Amendment.

          I've noticed that on factcheck.org Messiah Obama seems to be a perfect beacon of shining light, our Saviour, our...Messiah.

          Factcheck.org is part and parcel of the Annenberg Foundation.
          The full name of FactCheck.org is The Annenberg Political Fact Check.

          The Annenberg Foundation approved $49.2 million grant to William Ayers.

          Also part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was founded by William Ayers, and to which he recruited the young Barack Obama. This was Barack Obama's first big-boy job.

          The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was the launching pad for Barack Obama's political career. He owes every bit of success since then to the contacts he made and favors he was able to grant as Chairman of this fund. It would not be at all inaccurate to call Barack Obama "The Senator from Annenberg"

          Yet people regard factcheck.org as an unbiased "fact checking" organization. Give me a break.

          Factcheck is also funded, via Annenberg, by Soros. It's little more than another mouth piece to support OBozo.
          Gradually, we're all learning that when it comes to matters relating to Barack Hussein Obama, one needs to do a lot of fact-checking. But when facts are claimed to have been fact-checked by factcheck.org, and we know that factcheck.org is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation, then one has to seriously consider fact-checking the fact-checking of factcheck.org.

        • TXLadyPatriot

          Thank you Raymond ... well done with the true facts of FactCheck dot orgy .. hahahaha

        • Raymond

          Thank you.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/PE6GVE7PXVD5X3EBUVG3MZDISE truthseeker

          Raymond, as usual your commentary is brilliant.

        • Esther

          The Obama people fabricate their proof don't you know daves?

        • Guest

          FactCheck.org is funded by the Annenberg Project, which is also funded by the 1960s radical & best friend to Obama - Bill Ayers ... you know - the guy who (along with his wife) bombed the Pentagon. AND .. that creep also said, "We didn't go far enough!"

        • daves

          This is not true but it's also not the point. Please try and prove me or factcheck to be wrong.

          Factcheck is funded by the Annenberg project - Bill Ayers has no where near the money to fund them. Mrs. Annenberg has given large donations to both the Romney and McCain campaigns.

        • ladyceo

          Oh but they did SO good with our SS that we had NO say in!!!

        • daves

          Social Security is a very popular program that has saved many lives. What is it that you don't like?

        • madmadmad

          I think the phones have 250 minutes a month and they are get extra minutes for each of the needy friends they refer to the program..

        • Jean

          Have you read the Obamacare-------it is all in there Daves go read it for yourself.

        • 2yourhighness2

          Dave has nothing better to do than be on the internet. He claims he has read 1000 pages of Obamacare. That indicates to me he has not, as there are many more pages. He most likely sits around and collects money from those who bother to work.
          The plan they will TRY to make people invest in is g'ment annuities. Who in their right mind would put good money into the g'ment when they can not manage what they have been given . Just SPEND, spend, spend with no budget in mind. When 16 trillion is owed, who wants to give more money for them to blow
          Learn Chinese Daves; the4y own the US

        • Robert Mo

          That's what I've been saying all along about Barrycare. If the government has drained the social security fund how in the world is the government. Social security fund went into the general fund and ill bet my last dollar Barrycare funding will go into the general fund as well, there goes your healthcare.
          Sixteen trillion now, twenty-four trillion in debt before Barry finishes his second term.
          Any takers.

        • SonOfSam

          Hey daves, do YOU have an IRA? If you do, and you can't even CONSIDER the notion that money hungry politicians will try to pay off THEIR debts with YOUR money, then you sir are simply not paying attention. IRAs were created by the government back in the 70s, and the government could just as easily rewrite those laws to suit themselves. All they'd have to do is put out some self serving bullshit to fool gullible people just like you that they're doing it for "your own good"

          On the other hand if you DON'T have an IRA, then go have another malt liquor and finish your coloring book; grownups are talking

        • daves

          Sure, the government could try to make breathing against the law also. It doesn't mean I believe they will. Believing without evidence can really hurt people.

        • Southern Girl

          What a cop out. All Daves can do is demand "evidence" for everything he disagrees with. Hey Daves I want to see evidence that you really exist. I think you're a figment of your own imagination. Go play now - bye bye LOL

        • speedle

          Dave, everything written as a warning could be said to be a "fabrication" right up until the time it becomes reality. The facts stated in the piece are quite "factual". Only Drones and lazy thinkers presume that those in power will act only in the best interests of the citizenry without thoughts of self dealing and aquiring more power (especially left wingers). Maybe it is time you took a serious look at historical civilizations (thousands of years). The U.S. Constitution was written only a little over 200 years ago by people who did just that. They established protections designed to prevent exactly what is happening now. These protections are worthless if the heirs to this gift are too arrogant, self absorbed and tone deaf to heed them.

        • daves

          Where are the facts to say the government wants to confiscate people's IRAs?

        • speedle

          Dave, first of all my point to you is that you seem to assume that it is appropriate to give liberals the benefit of the doubt when they attempt to expand government under the guise of "helping" people. You cannot be a student of history and operate under that premise.
          Secondly, I didn't read anything here that said "the government wants to confiscate people's IRAs". It talked about hearing "rumblings" of left wing schemes to "nationalize" personal accounts, and went on to cite historical "facts" about same. No "incorrect facts" were stated. The author leaves it to the common (these days "uncommon") sense of the public to draw its own conclusions. Any other questions?

        • daves

          Did you click on the link they use as a source for the article? What do you think the headline means if not to confiscate retirement accounts?

          "Now that Barack Obama has been reelected he's going to push harder than ever to seize private retirement accounts. To sign NSC's emergency petition against Obama's new National Retirement System scheme, just click here.."

        • speedle

          The author cited the link. He clearly stated "according to them". As I said, there is nothing in the article that is not "factual". You claimed differently, and you are wrong. You are also wrong in dismissing the premise of the probability that this government is considering similar movements in its quest to pay for its massive entitlement agenda. I am sorry sir, but you are part of the problem that has led us to our current sorry state of affairs.

        • Grinder

          You either don't understand it or you are a democrat!

        • JulieB

          Yes, they are interrelated!

        • El Lobo Bravo

          Barney Frank et al held House hearings on this very topic in 2010, post Nov. election during the lame duck session before Tea Party members took over.

        • daves

          On confiscating retirement accounts? I'd like to know more, do you have a link?

        • TXLadyPatriot

          daves, why should WE provide YOU a link when you have already convinced yourself that "this article is fabricated" anyway? There's this thing called Google Search. Or take your pick between Yahoo and Bing. They are all very easy to use. Try it sometime; you just might learn something.

        • daves

          I thought maybe if you actually tried to find the information and couldn't you might stop believing that it is true.

        • TXLadyPatriot

          I am doing my homework on much of what has been happening. It is an on-going process. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be interested in doing it yourself; otherwise you wouldn't be begging for links here. Why should I help you when you're already convinced that everything that has been written for years (even before the Internet was invented) is false!?

          Here's a hint for you: Try reading the Communist Manifesto.

        • halfvast

          @Daves - I am about 4 or so years away from retirement age and have worried some about the security of my IRA's as well. I have thought that it might be better at this point to pull it, take the penalty, pay off my property, and place the balance in something like silver. Even if I don't do that, when inflation hits hard my account value will be forfeited to those who are able to make money in a down economy. I read the book 'Aftershock' which describes what will happen (and is happening) to the global economy and how it relates to my financial future... and it is not a pretty sight AND it is unavoidable. Those who are proponents of the kind of programs and spending that the US gov is doing and still pursuing scare me. @'Chester' - who does all those 'christian' things and still voted for Obama... why? You read the bible but decided that Obama was an acceptable choice for the leadership of this country? Why? Please don't cite Romney info. I don't care about why you didn't vote for him, I am looking for insight as to what you saw in Obama that was vote-worthy.

        • daves

          Your points are good ones but they really don't have anything to do with the point this article makes.

        • Nottakenyan

          Daves, were all your special ed classes tough for you??

        • PISSED OFF PATRIOT

          prove you wrong, with these snakes anything is possible. when you arrived at Dachau the Nazis said be sure to mark your luggage clearly you can collect it after you have a shower !!!!!!!!!!

        • 4USA2

          Amen!

        • TXLadyPatriot

          Double Amen!! On a trip to Germany, Switzerland & Austria (a few yrs before East & West unified), I've seen the Dachau museum up close and personal ... it was very "enlightening" ... and that's putting it mildly.

        • StephenFR

          You apparently have not heard the assessment from the GAO on obamacare. It is as much tax legislation as it is healthcare reform. Actually it is more tax as it really does not address healthcare reform, it just puts more people into an already broken system in order to force it to a total government controlled one payer system. If Obamacare stands in 10 years, private health insurance will be a black market.

        • daves

          I pay exactly $2,000 in total taxes every month. Not even one of the taxes mentioned in the Forbes article will affect me.

        • StephenFR

          So what you are saying daves, is that as long as they are stealing the money from someone else, then that is just fine with you?

          How totally selfish of you.

          Let me ask you this. Do you think that the taxes that will be imposed on business will have no effect on the cost of everything that you buy? Do you think that the businesses have a magic chest that they can pull tax money out of? Remember that businesses do not actually pay taxes. What they do is view taxes as part of the cost of doing business. All costs of doing business are reflected in the price they charge for their goods and services. In other words, they pass the tax costs on the the consumer. So whether you like it or not, you will be paying for it.

        • daves

          The only point I was trying to make is that even a person living a super comfortable lifestyle like I do, will not see any tax increases from the law.

          Sure, it is possible that if I ever need a pacemaker it will be more expensive because of the law.

        • StephenFR

          My point is that, if nothing else, Obamacare is going to increase taxes on business. Not just medical businesses, all businesses. The result of that is going to have to be increased prices for everyone, not just the rich. I am glad that you have a super comfortable lifestyle, and it probably will not impact you very much as apparently you can just take a little less in disposable income. But for those of us who are already living hand to mouth due to the policies of this government, this is going top be a very bitter pill to swallow. (pun intended) For the millions who have been laid off and are barely getting by, Obamacare is going to increase the prices for everything from a loaf of bread to the gas we have to buy to get to work. The reality is most businesses do not have a large enough profit margin to absorb the costs and have to pass it on. Another effect is that a lot of companies are going to have to lay even more people off or move them to a max of 28 hours per week because they are already charging what the market will bear for their product. This from the guy who promised he would not raise taxes on the middle class. Call it what you will, but forcing additional expenditures from business to pay for a government program is a tax, doesn't matter what you call it, it is still a tax. What drives me crazy is that I am sure that the democrats will look at the increase in prices and blame it on business and most people will buy the line. Just remember, all you have to do is follow the money and it leads straight to Washington.

        • daves

          Why do you think it is going to raise taxes on all businesses?

        • StephenFR

          I was going to give you the long answer, but the short is just as effective. Because there are provisions throughout the act that allow them to and the government has repeatedly shown that if you allow them to, they will. Not a partisan statement, just a fact.
          Two conflicting theories of man. Given the latitude to show ones true being man will:
          1) Rise to show you their greater good and benefit to their common man.
          or
          2) Sink to their depths and show you the evil nature of their beings.
          Our government appears to believe in #2. I say that as they feel that they need to regulate and control all aspects of our business and our lives. These, then, are people who believe that mankind is inherently evil by nature. So, let me ask you, why should we trust people who believe this way. Their very nature would lead one to presume that they themselves, given the opportunity would work in their own self interest, not in that of the citizenry. In fact there is ample evidence of that. That is exactly what they do. They give themselves privilege that no other citizen is entitled to. Yet you want to put more of your life into their hands?

        • daves

          So you think that sometime in the future, obamacare will be used as an excuse to raise taxes on businesses.

          Every aspect of my life is not regulated by the government, not even close. I am more free to do what I want than about 99% of all people who have ever lived in this world. I thought about this a lot on Thanksgiving. I am so grateful that I was born in the 20th century in the United States.

          God bless!

        • StephenFR

          So you think that sometime in the future, obamacare will be used as an excuse to raise taxes on businesses.

          Actually, the provisions are already in in legislation and the reports that I have seen have stated that the taxes on business, due to Obamacare will increase, (my recollect as I did not bookmark the articles) somewhere between 4 and 6% in 2013.
          Actually, I have seen the steady decline in the rights and freedoms during my lifetime. I will give but one example. I used to live in New York. The state wanted to install EZ Pass which I am sure you are familiar with. There was concern at that time that this could be used to monitor peoples movements without requiring reasonable suspicion or due process. The state assured the citizens that the police would be required to obtain a court order to be allowed to check the records and then only on the specified individual. This of course was thrown out the window. The police are now permitted to track anyone that they wish through the toll booths and often start their investigations by determining if someone that they suspect uses EZ Pass to determine the whereabouts of their car with no evidence only suspision, They have actually brought cases based primarily on the EZ Pass information as to the location of a vehicle. A clear violation, however, once in place, who has the money to fight city hall?
          I do not deny we are a freer society than many others, however, we are on a path to see those freedoms be taken from us. Each time we allow a new law or regulation we are allowing an additional encroachment. I am not saying we should be without laws or regulations, but the fact is that we are writing laws and regulations at a rate never seen before. Since the elections there are now over 900 new regulations that have been enacted. Let me ask you, how does your business keep up with an onslaught of regulations like that? After all, if you violate the regulations the government has the right to shutter your business, or at least tie you up for years in court. What are the costs and consequences to business. Remember that anything that you do to increase costs in business must be passed on to the consumers of that business. Another way look at it is that regulations on business cost the citizens and are in effect an indirect tax.

        • daves

          900 new regulations in the last 20 days? Are they listed somewhere?

          There are a few new taxes for certain businesses in obamacare but I am not aware of any tax that affects all businesses.

        • StephenFR

          daves, I can not find the article concerning the new regulations now. It came out about a week ago, but as I follow about 20 different news sources I have forgotten which one. However, here is an interesting and ironic story about the consequences of Obamacare. It shows how any and all businesses are going to be effected.

          http://godfatherpolitics.com/8239/college-cuts-staff-hours-to-avoid-obamacare-costs/

        • monkeypox69

          Oh, so if it doesn't affect you, it won't affect anyone else, right?

        • daves

          Not people making less than $200k per year.

        • TXLadyPatriot

          Don't waste your time on giving links to daves. Trying to help someone who is already convinced that all this is false is the same as "casting pearls before swine." He'll find any argument to use in his attempt to troll the truthful message.

        • Chester

          When y can't prove this guy wro g y react like a typical spoiled Pre teen. Hurling nasty labels, calli g names. Yep no facts to disprove mr, Davies. Just some really mean names. Just like a poorly bought up Pre teen. Must have been home schooled. Public schools teach not to be a bully and call nice people names. Guess yiur church missed that as well. Let's see some facts. It's a viral Internet lie that evil Obama will take your money away. What law, what section of ACA or is the allusion to gay Barney enough. Come on geezers. Give us some facts. We're ready. I live in a house, have a nice job, pay taxes, go to a nice Christian church, read the bible and voted for the guy who WON BY AN ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE. YES HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT. Your guy lost. Can't prove fraud. Can't say you won. LOL

        • http://twitter.com/mturner1004 Melanie Turner

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

          This tells pages & sections for items in ObamaCare Bill

        • cowboytex

          can't prove is right,no paper trail to recount,those crooked bastards,they stole the election!

        • OldNYFirefighter

          141% voter turnout on one Ohio district. Must have a large Zombie population or the people counting the votes failed third grade.

        • StephenFR

          Chester,
          Couple of points.
          1) Your grammar and spelling are atrocious. Your computer should have a spell checking program. Turn it on. You will should a lot more intelligent. I use such software and freely admit to it. I always claim it is because I have fat fingers.

          2) daves and I are "old friends" and while we disagree on almost everything we enjoy debating each other and name calling is not part of it. That does not mean however that we do not ask each other extremely sarcastic questions as I did above in order to prove a point.

          3) In fact there is a court ruling, that I still can not believe the Republicans ever agreed to, that is still in litigation that in effect disallows the Republicans, but not the Democrats from accusing voter fraud. I believe it was from the 1970's and the Republicans made the mistake of waiving their right to have the case originally heard in court. So, while the Democrats are able to make accusations without consequence, the Republicans can actually be sued even if they have proof. There has been quite a lot of proof reported however concerning, shale I call them inconsistencies, such as precincts where in the past 4 years the percentage of vote cast to Obama increased from approximately 40% to over 90%. You can not tell me that 50% of the people who would not vote for Obama in a precinct in 2008 all of a sudden, "saw the light".
          4) Don't you notice the absolute hypocrisy of what you stated in your post?

        • OldNYFirefighter

          You are correct about #3, as I checked that out right after the 2008 election. It was agreed to by the RINO's in charge at the time, probably for other concessions we don't know about & they are not telling. That needs to be changed before the next election if not sooner - call your reps & demand it.

        • halfvast

          Chester... Ok, so help me understand something. You do all those 'christian' activities, particularly read your bible, and still voted for Obama... Why? What was it about him that you thought was worthy of your vote? Please don't cite Romney info because don't care. What did you see in this man that you thought, from a christian point of view, was worthy of the highest office in this Nation? Not kidding, I really do want to understand.

        • JoyceA

          I checked with our stockbroker who handles our ira. Obamacare has a little secret in it that will tax your dividens at a 43% tax rate. If you don't believe me check with a tax consultant!

        • daves

          The healthcare law’s tax provisions include a 3.8% extra income tax on dividends, interest and capital gains. Absent some deal between President Obama and Congress, it goes into effect in January. It applies to portfolio income to the extent that the taxpayer’s adjusted gross income tops $250,000 on a joint return ($200,000 for singles).

          So, if you have a spouse, a $240,000 salary and $45,000 of investment income, you’ll owe the 3.8% surtax on $35,000.

        • TXLadyPatriot

          Joyce - thank you for that tidbit on the dividends tax rate - I plan to call my mom and let her know about this.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          It already is you nitwit!

        • monkeypox69

          Oh yes, you're right - it's all FREE!

        • John

          Correct

        • PMM

          He already takes far more than a penny out of your paycheck...................

        • daves

          How do you figure?

      • jo_ella

        Mine too. I am hoping 0bammy will get impeached! They have so many offenses to choose from...

        • JeromefromLayton

          Next chance won't happen until after January 2015. See all the stuff Dirty Harriet has swept under her skirts that will never see the light of day such as several dozen budget bills from the House that have gone to the Senate to die of neglect.

        • Raymond

          What has America become?

          Has America become the land of special interest and home of the
          double standard? Let's see: If we lie to the Congress, it's a felony
          and if Congress lies to us it's just politics. If we dislike a black person,
          we're a racist and if a black dislikes whites, it's their 1st Amendment
          right. The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and
          they do almost nothing for the victims. In public schools you can teach
          that homosexuality and lesbianism is ok, but you better not use the
          word God in the process. You can murder a child in the mothers womb,
          but it's wrong to execute a mass murderer. We don't burn books in
          America, we now rewrite them. We got rid of the communist & socialist
          threat by renaming them progressives. If you protest against Obama's
          policies you're a terrorist, but if you burn an American flag or George
          Bush in effigy, it's your 1st Amendment right.

          You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not
          put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas. In America,
          criminals are now called sick people. The government takes money
          from those who work hard & gives it to those who are lazy. Parenting
          has been replaced with Ritalin & video games. The land of opportunity
          is now the land of hand outs.

          And how do we handle a major crisis today? The Government
          appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens
          them, passes a law, raises our taxes, then tells us the problem is
          solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/6Q45NXB2BFTOIP7UKLX3XI7OZE Joy Bears mom

          Raymond.....As usual you have said it like it is! I love reading your posts!!
          Reed is a lying old reprobate....maybe he will meet an untimely end! He looks like death warmed over!

        • Raymond

          :-)

        • HowardLast

          Will never happen as long as the current bunch of Republican Big Shots (you can't call them leaders) are in Congress. They all know Barry's birth certificate is a phony and refuse to do anything about it.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/6Q45NXB2BFTOIP7UKLX3XI7OZE Joy Bears mom

          TRying to do anything about it Howard.....is like shoveling S--- against the wind....Obama and his comrades have had everything planned. We should have known that he would "wiin" the election....He is surrounded by crooks!......GUess I just wanted this "regime" to be over.....

        • Raymond

          Hi Joy,
          You're correct. Obama & those who placed him
          back into power do indeed have a plan & that plan
          does not include people like us.

        • http://www.facebook.com/gailnowaczyk Gail Nowaczyk

          HowardLast:: You can not blame just the Republicans!! The Democrat Big Shots. You can not call them leaders either who are in Congress. Also know that Barrys birth certificate is Phony, and they also Refuse to do anything about it. So as I see it Both Parties are to Blame. Barry must be holding something over Pelosi, Reid and every other men and women in the W.H. and Congress and House of Repsentavites. Wonder what it is they want Barry to keep quite about. Are they so much chickens to do their jubs and do them right? Impeach the Muslim!!!

        • delong003

          Unfortunately with Reed in the Senate---nothing will happen in the impeachment department.

        • Raymond

          Obama get impeached???

          If you understood how the
          system works & who controls
          it you'd know that will NEVER
          happen.

      • Robert

        No matter where you hide your money if you take it out of your savings account, this may or may not be the main problem. The biggest problem is when you go to spend this money (or any other money you may have) is the devaluation of the dollar. When the Federal Reserve pumps "new" money into the economy that is not backed by gold or silver, the value of your dollars in your pocket goes down in value. In the last two years the feds have ran their printing presses to dilute our supply of dollars (it's called fiat money) by two trillion dollars. This new money has made our dollar worth 16-17% less in value in the last two years. In other words your $100,000 retirement account is now worth $84,000. But if they keep printing money like the German's did during the hyperinflation in 1921 through 1924, where 320 German marks were worth one dollar in 1921. At the end of 1923 one trillion German marks was worth one dollar. So if you bought a loaf of bread in 1921 for 320 marks, you had to spend 1 trillion marks at the end of 1923. The government can raided your savings account by simply taking all your money out by physical means or with hyperinflation all your money could remain untouched in your account but when you took your money out, the value of your money was basically nothing, either way they took your hard earned money.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

          My point, exactly.

    • http://twitter.com/ssnbn1 ssnbn1

      Stay in hard, physical assets.

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnathan.sanders1 Johnathan Sanders

        Lead

    • fatman45

      Robin Hood was a terrorist! It irks me to no end how he is portrayed as some kind of hero to children!

      • jo_ella

        Not exactly, Robin Hood took money FROM the Government and gave it back to the people the government ripped off......Today we have a Robbing Hood....0bammy who is taking from the people (producers) and giving it to the government to decide who gets it.

        • El Lobo Bravo

          Roger That !!!
          If Mr. Hood were alive today, he would be absconding the ill gotten gain from Richard Trumpka, SEIU, CEO's Jeffery Imelt of GE, ACORN, SOLYNDRA & other crony capitalists like George Soros, then return the wealth back to the poor taxpayer.

        • PISSED OFF PATRIOT

          we have an African Lion in the zoo and we have a lieing African in the White House

    • Walt

      My friend just bought a new house and was able to use his 401k for a downpayment with no penalty. Frees up your cash and savings to buy gold. Gold will get you more than your interest in the long run and doesn't take up much space. You can put almost 100K in gold (about 5 1/2 coins) in something just bigger than a match box.

      • Pat

        You had better calculate that again!

      • Phillip_in_TX

        Must be one heck of a "match box." The thing is you cannot eat gold. It would be much wiser to spend money (while it still has any value) on things that can be bartered. Or, that can be given as a "gift" when they kick your door down. Lead & FMJ make a "wonderful gift!" Remember, in this instance, it is better to "give than receive."

    • echofoxtrot

      For IRA accounts, one way to safeguard them would be to set up a self-directed IRA LLC, roll the existing IRA funds over to physical silver, then store the silver in a safety deposit box. Although I have heard of folks storing the silver at home, in a separate safe.

      • David in MA

        " then store the silver in a safety deposit box"
        Those boxes are not as secure as people think....ask your bank what happens to a safety deposit box if one of the holders named on it dies. OR, if the government simply says, it's theirs.....ask questions!
        AND, remember, we in America, with the b astard-in-chief, are now operating under a government simular to nazi germany.

        • echofoxtrot

          @David in MA, thanks. Storing the physical silver at home is the only way to go then. That might take some jumping through hoops, but it will be worth it.

    • StephenFR

      Screem,
      Before you and your friends take the money out, PLEASE, speak with a financial professional. Find out what all of your options are. The mattress may be your best bet, but then again someone who works in the financial industry, be it insurance, annuities, mutual funds, whatever is going to have at least a few options for you.

      • echofoxtrot

        Go to silverdoctors.com. The people there don't show their real names for obvious reasons, but they do have a background in the financial industry. By the way I am not one of them.

        • StephenFR

          You are much better off calling up a financial firm such as Prudential, Edward Jones, Raymond James or even a bank than getting advise from a website. The fact is that while the representatives of this industry are usually paid on commission, actually participating in the transaction is strictly voluntary, which means if you do not agree with the advice you don't do the transaction and you pay nothing. Further, what is right for you is not necessarily right for anyone else. Financial professionals are highly regulated and are required, to the best of their abilities, have your best interest as an individual in mind in any and all representations.
          Websites are a great place to get general advice, but if you are not in the practice of ongoing financial analysis and are thinking of making some kind of financial change, I would recommend sitting down one to one and having a professional look at your specific situation and make specific recommendations.

    • Gorba

      Screeminmeeme, While I agree with your post, your reference to Robin hood is incorrect and flawed. This is a common misunderstanding of Robin Hood. Robin Hood did not steal from the rich to give to the poor. The rich those days were sealing from the poor and keeping them poor just like the progressives today. He actually took the money that the rich had stolen from the poor and gave it back to the poor. It was their's to begin with.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000929752961 Annette Rf

      I learned from my grandmother and parents, who survived the Great Depression, NEVER to trust banks with my money. And so, I don't.

    • Oscar De LA Rento

      Withdraw you hard earned cash from the bank, buy and hold physical silver or gold. As Obama bucks are worth less and less, your physical silver and gold will gain value.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        A dollar is only worth about 40 cents right now & will continue to decline.

    • ANNE

      What retirement account, it was gone long ago. After saving all my life, my husband are living pay check to pay check, this isn't what we had in mind for retirement, in fact my husband is working at Wal-Mart. We all can thank Wall Street and our government for this mess, and I don't mean just the present corrupt government, I mean t he corrupt government from the FDR era to the present government. We are quickly becoming a Communist country, I am glad we are almost at the end of our life cycle, I don't want to see what is going to happen to our once great country.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Wolfman4u Wolfman Thomas

      Changing America,

      America now has more new legal and illegal immigrants that changed the demographics of America who voted for King Obama and his social justice agenda. Now it is not what you can do for your country, now it is what my country can do for me. King Obamas Big Government Control will now destroy America, the republican party, replace the Supreme Court with liberals and lesbians and anything else that stands in his way to change America.

      I am sure glad I am not the only one that feels this way about King Obama and his plans for a new America. I just hope to God I am not around to see it.

    • makrov

      I did just that. It was feasible for me last year and I took ALL mine out without paying taxes on it (legally). Now to hide my guns that are registered.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.burdette.5 Mike Burdette

      Obama is just a" SHUCK'N and JIVE'N " Master. look up that term and see what it says . then look up Trotsky Racism Invention

    • http://profiles.google.com/pudbertsavannahga Mort Leith

      What INTEREST ? ?

      Starting next year ODumbo plans on raising the taxes on Dividends and Capital Gains upwards to 43% ! !

      Who in their right mind would go gamble at the Casino and then have to give 43% of their winnings (Dividends & Capital Gains) to the Gov't ? ?
      Same thing..........

    • PatriotDiva

      Actually Robin Hood was not stealing from the rich to give to the poor. He was taking back the ridiculously high taxes collected by the King John (a usurper of his brother King Richard's throne) and giving the money back to the people. I look at Obama as King John for obvious reasons.

    • JoJo58

      Great. Whatever money I have is from living VERY close to the bone for years instead of p*ssing it away and INVESTING my savings in mutual funds and then there is the insurance money that I received when my husband was killed overseas. I guess the greedy b*stards will want that too so they can get more tattoos, gold teeth, and drink. Swell.

    • Jim L Adrian III

      Do not leave money where it will be accessible to the Government. Put it into something that is appreciating in worth. If they cannot see it in rectangular Green backs they probably won't try to grab it.

      We are in a fight for our retirement accounts. Get it all out and put it some where where it will be safe from the maliciousness of the Federal Government.

    • Ecoplastican

      Buy silver currency. The government cannot tax it when you spend it. If it triples in value, and it will, you cannot be taxed on the gain, if you hold it physically. All of my retirement savings is in American Silver Eagles.

    • http://twitter.com/jude83268949 jude

      That would be "double taxation", you already paid taxes on the money you earned and saved, now they want to tax it again and give it away to those that didn't earn it.

    • ALFV8

      Taking your money out and hiding it somewhere sounds like a good idea. However, a lot of what they are after is in IRA, 401(k), and other "tax sheltered funds". When paid out in lump sum, taxes are, usually, immediately payable. And, Yes, they would know about it being distributed to you since the financial institutions holding the funds are required to report it to the IRS. Plus, if you are not 59-1/2, you would have to pay a 10% penalty on the total distribution. If you are thinking there's something magical about age 70-1/2 that exempts you from taxes, that is a fairly common misconception. So, it comes down to more than losing interest, but also losing large portion to taxes & maybe penalties. Right now, I believe the most you would pay would be about 35% of the previously untaxed funds(which is all funds in 401[k] & in most regular IRA's, but it depends on how much you have & your other income. If the "Bush tax cuts" are not reapproved , the max rate could go up to about 40% in 2013 . I think the top tax tier where those rates cut in is around $380-390,000. And, if O has his way, and gets a new higher tax on the "wealthy"(ha, ha - many would wealthyfor any given year by his standards if you throw a lump sum distribution of IRA or 401(k) savings into the mix ), it could go up more & the top tier would likely start at $250,000. Anyway, it comes down to the question, is it worth paying the taxes(at the current or future rates) & loosing future interest to avoid the government from taking it, and maybe squandering it on worthless programs like they have social security funds, or to leave it and risk them taking it, paying a low, flat interest rate, etc. etc. etc. Hard decisions.

    • $$$

      This is why I opted to invest my capitals in tangebles .....rather than variables !

  • JohnGalt

    Got CW II if you want it, RaceMarxist.

  • victorbarney

    AGAIN, WELCOME TO ADAM'S WORLD BEFORE THE FIRST MURDER & OBAMA'S PREDESSOR WAS EVEN BORN! I'M TALKING 6,000 YEARS AGO & CAIN! DUH!

  • deseartu1

    As an Insurance Broker I can never see any of the Insurace companies ever giving into this. Other than life insurance monies to pay death benefit funds, this is their sole brea and butter and then it is ties to the S & P and Index accounts. So unless the government now is going to control Wall Street and stocks, bond and mutual funds, good luck! Plus you would also have to bring in more IRS control rules because of the tax implications.

    • crockett1

      ....and when did you think that you insurance brokers were going to be exempt from
      getting YOUR trousers pulled down.....?

    • KarenWI

      Ahh.......seems like something is similiar is being done AS WE SPEAK to hospitals, doctors, businesses......doctors being told WHAT they have to do, businesses being told exactly WHAT KIND of Health insurance they must offer. I suggest you get your head out of the sand....Some of us are just Way ahead of you in realizing what is going on....

      • deseartu1

        Yeah its called living in a communist country under the anti christ Obama! My head isn't in the sand as you so ignorantly just stated. First off the holding insurance companies hold Billions of assets under their guideance and are privately owned hand built companies that the government doesn't own or can control. But who knows where things will ever go in the future under Satan! For example, Aviva! They have been around since the year 1639 and would be an insurance company to not mess with. They have seen plagues, wars, depressions, famines, and anything in the last 300 years hasn't taken them down! They've seen it all and are one of the top 5 in the world! Especially when they hold the financial power of so many retirement accounts throughtout the entire globe. The insurance companies if you did not know was who also bailed us out in the Depression during FDR and that is why we have "Tax Free" death benefits. That was the deal made for the government bail out of the depression! Now I am not saying under all the bozos in power now anything is possible to control us, but it would be a bitter fight with the companies! To have Obummer take over one small car company which I also live in the Detroit bomb Arab area, versus 1,200 linsurance companies and another 450 annuity holding companies, won't work, but then again I am not God anything with these end of days ahead of us from Iran to Isreal, to America being dissolved in front of our eyes, anything is possible.

    • TLady62

      You have to keep in mind just who we're dealing with here. This isn't the Arkansas Clinton Syndicate. It's the Chicago Mob, and they play dirty and for keeps.

  • Megamimi

    Such short sighted moves like this anticipated one, the increase in rates of taxation, the closure of loop holes, Obama care one size fits all insurance with ever increasing expensive bureaucracy and other expenses will all have unwanted consequences. The very folks who lust after the rich may find out that charity contributions go down, jobs are cut or hours are cut back, and medical services become more difficult to access or not available at all.

    • fatman45

      That's why they are called "useful idiots"! BTW those "consequences" are only unwanted by the useful idiots - it is a mistake to assume they are unintended or unwanted by Obama and his comrades. They want us to be Greece - Communists just won a huge number of seats in recent elections there.

    • KarenWI

      This is already starting.....

  • forrealcommonsense

    The more people you have on the government dole the more dictatorial/communist the government. Many are being sustained by the same dole for the coming culling...

  • A Veteran

    Gradually Obama is going to destroy initiative-why go to college and spend all the effort? One can obtain the same material things without any expenditure.

    • Phillip_in_TX

      A "free cell phone" and a "bucket of slop" from the Government trough.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Meyer/1785162356 Roger Meyer

      This is the fallacy of communism.
      In a perfect utopian world, everyone would do the best job possible and everyone would recieve everything that they need. The problem is that this is not a perfect world.
      Some people would do their best but most would say why should they work harder than another person for the same outcome. If Joe only does the minimum, but still gets everything, then everyone else woll do the minimum until some do nothing and others follow along. This leads to many doing nothing and a few trying to support everyone. It is human nature to be lazy and not do any more than you have to if someone is going to givr you what you want anyhow.
      Communism destroys personal incentive and the wish to enhance ones own circumstances.
      In a Capitalistic system (true capitalism) the person who works the hardest gets the most. They in turn, invest this in their business, creating jobs that people can be proud to work at, giving these people a feeling of self esteem knowing that they are being responsible for providing for their families.
      How can anyone who produces nothing and takes everything have any sense of self worth when someone else is controlling their entire life through making them slaves to the welfare system?

  • http://www.facebook.com/pastorjim7 Pastor Jim McLain

    Liberal Democrats are "Neo-Communists" And the President is a Marxiist. Go Figure!!!!

    • Keep Watching His Tricks

      Correction - The President is a Mountebank, a Fraudulent inqualified Candidate, a Charlatan and an Islamic-Marxist and 51% of the U.S. Electorate is much too stupid to realise those facts.

      • whatmeworry

        No he's a post turtle

        • Phillip_in_TX

          Amen to that budman!

  • rob

    public worker's pension should be eliminated altogether ..... stop paying pensions to state and federal gov retirees ...... they never put any of their own money into the fund .....

    • Al

      I had to contribute to my retirement. I expect to get it. I earned it.

      • Greggie

        So did I. After 35 yrs. contribution to Soc Sec, I was seriously injured and could not work. When it came time to collect, the govmint tooks mines away! I lost $120,463.00 in back pay given to illegals per order of obama admin.

    • howardfrombroward

      rob, could you please do some basic research before posting your baseless rants? i've been contributing towards my public worker retirement pension plan at a substantially higher rate than social security pension tax levels for 38 years. now, tell me one more time about "...they never put any of their own money into the fund ....." while you're at it, also tell me all about your service in the u.s. military. was it just like mine in 1969-1970? i got my face, my uniform and my medals spit on at the san francisco airport while i was returning home from tour of duty which will ultimately count towards my public pension at age 80, if i manage to live that long. dad was also a "federal gov retiree" after serving as an army captain on d-day at normandy and later working in a federal civil service career spanning 40 years during which his civil service retirement pension contributions. rob, you blazing hateful idiot, please just stfu until you have the facts of the matter straight, and pay honest taxes like we upright patriots always do every 04/15th.

  • axmickl

    When 401 K money is withdrawn it is taxed at the present rate and is added to whatever other income you have. If you withdraw a large sum it will raise your rate to the max on all of your income. If you wait until Obama raises the rates for so-called wealthy folks you will pay a hugh penalty for doing so because the one time withdrawal will make you look like one of the wealthy. Kiss your money goodby and extract as much as you can before the rates are raised and they take it all.

    • echofoxtrot

      You can do a self-directed individual 401K LLC, in which you rollover the 401K funds into physical silver or something else. That way you don't get the tax hit.

      • Phillip_in_TX

        It does not matter WHERE the money is and HOW it is "supposed" to be protected. They CAN change the rules anytime they want.

      • axmickl

        The withholding comes out when you convert the fund. It is accounted for as a cash withdrawal and is taxed accordingly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Veselenak/100001118018542 David Veselenak

    Yet another reason for the REVOLUTION! 1776...1776...1776!

  • Ogalley

    I'm a strong liberal and I have a 401(k) as do over half of Obama supporters. This will never happen. It's just scaremongereing

    • madashellnow

      Just the thought of the administration investigation such and idea is repulsive! The scaremongerers are those in the administration that would even bring up such an idea. And, the idea has been in this administration for some time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ken.jacobsen2 Ken Jacobsen

      you keep drinking that kool-aid. obama is a dictator in waiting and you are too ignorant to realize it.

    • henryknox

      Yes, dear leader would never dream of such a thing. Please continue to follow this line of reasoning, we need you to be useful for a bit longer. When it is over we have a nice place for you to live.

      • johnbbbb

        Liberals hope that they will be the "last ones to be eaten" .....but they will be eaten! The system and the people that they worship are corrupt.

    • Al

      We said the same thing with Hitler. You are only a strong liberal until you realize what is in store for you. Then you will be dangerous to the regime. You will have nothing to protect yourself with.

      • fatman45

        Exactly! Do these people never read history? The first ones to go are always the intellectuals who aren't inner circle, followed closely by the useful idiots like Ogalley. Because as you say they are the ones who are most "dangerous to the regime"!

    • KarenWI

      oagalley lost, too.......he just doesn't know it YET.

  • don

    Communist

  • Moose

    With Social Security and Medicare in the tank the government now wants to take the last vestige of retirement away from those who worked hard for what they have. What makes the government think that they can run a National Retirement System any better then Social Security? In fact, isn't that what Social Security was all about? This is what we can expect in the future as long as the 47%+ have no skin in the game.

    • KarenWI

      There's NO MONEY in the social security fund, just government IOU's because politicians spent all of the money. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, once the government gets a hold of OUR MONEY they will spend it and then tell us they're broke and can't give us OUR OWN MONEY!!

    • Phillip_in_TX

      They can't. They have the reverse "Midas Touch." Everything they touch turns to "sh_t!" (i) - fill in the blank.

  • Dale in Wyoming

    Gosh.. it seems to me that it might be a good idea.. but I don't quite see it well enough yet.... Can this be passed for a six year trial period. You know.. so we can watch it and see how it really works?... And so there isn't a lot of question or risk.. let's just let the current administraion, only those working in DC.... and the Congress, be participants. They could show us how this works.. and how much money it will make for us... and if it really works.. great.. we can always extend the length of the .... mandatory participation test period, by those that have been hired to represent us.

  • Kathy Jenson

    ...and all the while they are stealing from us they will be screaming that we are the racists!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Fryer/100000156546455 Carol Fryer

      And the thieves, because we are taking their taxes.....lol.

    • JohnGalt

      Us middle-aged, white Christian males, have LONG been completely immune to any insults from destructive cowardly Communists and ignorant racist savages.

      • Vette66

        What does racist mean? It is used for so many things by the progressives, I forgot.

  • gator

    the civil war will begin the day they begin taking what most of us worked for all of our lives. they try to take my retirement and give it to some pathetic pos and my guns will shoot themselves off!

    • vicki

      "the civil war will begin the day they begin taking what most of us worked for all of our lives."

      They (The government) already takes around 50% of what you work for. It takes ~35% of what you have when you die. Soon it will take 55% of what you leave for your family. and yet I see no signs of civil war. Why do you think this will be different?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Meyer/1785162356 Roger Meyer

        This time the government is overstepping themselves completely. When you have a large number of states threatening secession and another group stating that they will not implement programs that were illegally passed by presidential order along with many other unconstitutional presidential orders and a do nothing Congress that allows the president to act as a tin pot dictator, this affects many more people than presidential orders or legislation passed by any other president.
        Additionally, many more people are armed and a vastly greater number of those people are veterans of various wars who fought for a FREE nation and are not willing to watch idly as Obama and his thugs convert the US into a communist cesspool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ecurbyy Bruce Brinkmann

    I'm going to try thinking like a Liberal for a minute here. Okay. Here I go! Alright, any second now. Here it comes! Having a bit of trouble making the transition. Just a second or two and I should get there. I think I've got it! Other peoples money is MY money! Other people don't deserve the money they worked for, earned and saved! I should get that money. I deserve it more than they do, because I'm ME! I'm a caring compassionate Liberal and I naturally know what the best use for your money is. Okay. It's me again. Screw Liberals!

    • Phillip_in_TX

      Welcome back from "The Dark Side!"

    • John

      Totally not the correct view that is the view of the conservative thinking what a liberal is thinking. Our mind is to messed up with fully understand

  • ARMYOF69

    Civil war on its way..for many reasons...this could be the trigger.

  • jiluvjen

    I am damned sick and tired of the federal gov't. making threats to take over our pension funds. These are funds that for the most part have already been taxed ONCE and the money is OURS that we earned and contributed to these funds for future use! The feds had not a DAMNED thing to do with any of those moneys. King Odumba thinks he can take any and all of an individual's pension funds and control the distribution of them. If his followers(the damocrats) vote to try this, there will be a certain mutiny that this country hasn't seen since the 1800's.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Fryer/100000156546455 Carol Fryer

    The only ones able to actually retire will be in public office , congress, unions. Oh and muslims. They seem to somehow fit into their plan. The upcoming poster children.

    • Phillip_in_TX

      Can we give them the "Osama bin Laden" retirement plan?

  • Ian

    America got the Government it deserves!!!!!!!

    • JohnGalt

      Half of did not want this consummately unaccomplished thieving POS Racist.

      Time for two Americas.

  • Bill Tyner

    Of course they will try because this has been out there for the Obamboozler's entire 4 year reign. I believe they began to salivate heavily when pension dollar accumulation numbers nearing a dozen trillion were dropped in their lap. Don't forget that there are way more than just 401K's out there. The state pension plans - most governors would love to be rid of them (California for instance). Look for the media to begin the drum beat and you will know "it be written". The networks should be getting their marching orders from the White House very soon if they haven't already.

    "If one American is going hungry then all Americans must go hungry, (but of course some important Americans should be less hungry than others"

    The Obamboozler

  • Walt

    Take the money out - pay the penalty and put it where they cannot get it. Buy Gold and hide it. They cannot confiscate what they do not know you have. You can also buy a new house and use the 401K money to put down with no penalty. This allows you to keep your other assets to hide in cash or precious metals.

  • Ron

    This is what the idiots voted for, so they will now see what they have to suffer.

    • Phillip_in_TX

      I don't give a rats behind if "they" have to suffer. It is the rest of us I'm concerned about.

  • Ihatelibs

    He touches my money and he's dead!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rcosenza1 Robert Cosenza

    we the people,who are the real government,what more proof do you need,from this ineligible un american lawless,useless,treasonous administration.time for the nra/amac/john birch society/all militias/all freedom loving,god fearing american veternas/citizens.how much more of this treasonous government are we the people going to allow them to take,time to come togethher under one giant freedom umbrella,to wayne/nra amac/john birch society.all militias and all legal american veternas/citizens,and to donald thrump time to bring an evolution to a new government,we the people the time is now.that when ever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends.it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it,and to institiute new government.we no longer have a government,we have tyranny

  • Jillian

    I'm still wondering how and why the higher ups in gov't. will sanction this? Will their funds be exempt? It looks like this will be the people who actually provide for the country anyway, for all the non-working supporters of Obama. He would promise them a hefty increase if they support his idea. Where are all the people in charge of protecting us from communism? I know where thousands and thousands of the brave people are who battled communism for us are. In many cemeteries across the world. It's such a pity they seemed to have died for naught.

  • chrisplumber

    all the blacks that voted for obaby are starting to question themselves cause now they are seeing the real Obaby for what he really is cause hes going to take thiers just as fast as he wants YT's

    • KarenWI

      There are a lot of Black Middle Class people who were racists and voted for obama just because he is half black...........they better wake up....I've said this for over 3 years - obama talks about taking from the RICH but to him - a globalist - WE are ALL RICH, us middle class people according to his globalist view of the world. He just lied to people. I can't believe almost everyone I talk to who voted for obama talk about the rich paying more and that's ALL THEY CAN SAY. Most don't even know that health insurance exchanges are going to be set up in every state and that Medicare folks will suffer some of the worst under obamacare. SHAME ON you idiots who voted for a man who used you for his own ends. I used to be a very civil and respectful citizen but I am ANGRY at the low lifes who voted to destroy our country, I hold them all responsible even if they are just ignorant and gullible ......!

  • http://www.lewrockwell.com/ Tuci78

    And this surprises anybody precisely...how?

    Let's add another note: If you have gold in any form and you're keeping it in a safe deposit vault at your bank or S&L (i.e., a government-"regulated" fiduciary institution), get it the hell out of there!

    It's feasible for los federales to order those private fiduciary companies to block access to the contents of all such deposit boxes. Their contents can then be rummaged-through, and tangible assets (emphasis on precious metals, investment-quality gemstones, etc.) can be "nationalized" in return for U.S. Treasury I.O.U.s denominated in Federal Reserve Note pseudodollars at current market price.

    If that.

    You get into your "safe" deposit box, and - hey, presto! - all that gold you bought as a good investment is all gone.

    Didn't hope for that "change," didja?

  • mrbp

    I would like to thank all you commie-pinko-bed-wetting liberal socialists (democrats and stupid 18 year olds) who put this crook back in the whitehouse. Hopefully you will suffer more than the rest of us retired folks who are fed up with the existing set of socialists running the country. Ca. now has a super majority of commies running the state. More taxes on the way. With gov. moonbeam as their pharaoh, we are so screwed.

  • mrsgunnut10

    When Obamass tries to take over the Individual Retirement Accounts of the American Workers, that is when "WE THE PEOPLE" should declare War on the Present Dictator In Charge. Where is the "backbone" of our House of Representatives and Senators ??? It seems as if they all have their heads tucked under Obamass's shirt tail's kissing his butt every step he takes. NONE, repeat, NONE of them has the Guts to tell this fear monger that enougn is enough already. Yes, I know nothing will happen, from our Politicians, to stop this greedy Tyranical Dictator from spending all of our hard earned dollars on those who are too lazy to work. All I want to know is how much longer is it going to take before Obamass's giant bubble - POPs - and the people rise up and start defending theirselves against this Despot. Thank you for your time. TSgt., USAF Retired.

  • Walt

    The rich are not going to give up their life style without a fight. The wealthy are alredy paying 60-70% of the taxes now; how much do you figure their fair share is? They will move businesses out of the country to save taxes, they will fire employees and keep the money they would have paid them, they will cease donating to charities and social events and they move most of their money out of the country, and will cut back on the hours of the employees here that they keep to part-time status so they do not have to pay for Obamacare. I don't think the little extra you might get from them in increased taxes will offset what you will lose.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7DF3URD45YMVMWI7U4BQTMHVZ4 Kathryn

    this is so typical of the socialist/marxist machine-no one is an indivdual-we are all cut from the same cloth-everyone is equal---BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

  • voterid

    This new "idea" will do exactly what "Obamacare" will/is doing. Cause mass confusion with absolutely no one in charge who knows nothing about implementing anything. The people in the administration are mass producers of nothing but rule, regulations and ideas that are corrupted by Soros'; i.o.w., high paid paper pushers. Not one person in this administration is able to think past their narrow minded Communist talking points...tax the rich, tax the rich, etc. Hey, the ideas are great but who will we get to implement them?...let see, the bully tactics of the unions?...no, they only know how to bully people not run anything! how about the liberal politicians?...no they only know how to bully the working class people into being mad at the working class as if they don't realize they are the working class! What are we as conservative citizens do while Rome burns?..pull a liberal out from the fire or say..it's each one for her/himself?...I say the latter!

  • Nottakenyan

    Working Americans do not need legalized prostitution, we get f _ _ _ed by the government every day!
    What a great country for freeloaders, including the current administration !!!!

    • Phillip_in_TX

      We do not have an "administration." We have an "infestation" and it's getting worse.

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    Make no mistake, these heathens are not 'liberals' but statist Marxists. Communism doesn't work, and if the Odummerthanshidt admin tries to pull this, there will be riots by the 49%. If they thought the Occupy folks were a pest, wait till the tenacious and irritated conservatives roll. God help them if they attempt to take our private pensions.

  • muf69

    This would surely collaspe the stock market. There is already little insentive for compaqnies to match 401K accounts because of a greedy government. Give me a strong military any day. If people don't want to work don't support them by stealing from those of us that do!

  • jo_ella

    If he does this it will result in a run on the banks every senior will take their IRA's out and any other retirement accounts. A run on the bank could prove to be disastrous.....

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268319957 Doug Schexnayder

    The sheeple believe the bold lying arrogant apostles of utopian socialism and their pawn media...the scourging of America will intensify as demons are sought to explain the toxic results...(hint: Repubs are always the demons)

  • jvb1980808

    The 51% will eventually be prey, as well. Of course to KNOW that one has to be breathing OUTSIDE the colon of one President/King/Master Obama!

    • CommonSense

      Is it too late for an ETA, early term abortion?

  • Henry

    Here are the facts people. America is not exempt from reality. In short order, (one to two years), hearing about citizens being lined up along concrete walls and executed will be common everyday news. It will be necessary in order to set an example to those who attempt to stop the "Hammer of Marxism." Just ask the people of Venezeula.

  • Larry Wood

    Liberalism: Moochers who vote for looters to steal from Producers. Always has been and always will be! Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. I would gladly contribute to one way tickets on a slow &leaking ship to any communist country they chose!

  • KT

    My very smart older brother warned me about this a few years ago..he said "wait until they notice how much money is sitting out there in private retirement accounts...they will try to get their hands on that money!" What is a person to do? If you take it out you get penalized and where would you put it that they won't know where it is?

  • cspanjunkie1

    The u.n. is now saying that the states that voted for legalization of recreational marijuana use must be overturned, the u.n. is getting into everything. The u.n. is using the international drug treaty signed by other countries- so, the u.n. will get their finger in this also and basically I agree- if you have any money, get it out and use it on a physical, tangible property or something in which we can save our accounts- (how the heck did he get re-elected??????)

  • cottagemist

    A lot of the seniors have already repurposed funds to otherthings..gold,land,cash...

  • alpambuena

    obamas first term was to screw us republicans...now in his next term...he will screw everybody.....so hows that hope and change working out for all you leftist...

  • TLady62

    We were warned several years ago this was coming. Remember this name: Theresa Ghiriaducci (Sp?). She is an advisor to the President who advocated for the Government takeover of private pension plans since 2008. And now that he's been re- elected, this could very become a reality.

  • Phillip_in_TX

    Liberals and Progressives can ALWAYS be counted on to want to take something from someone else. Gee, what happens when they run out of "everyone elses" money?

  • cookie

    Let me say, to all those idiots that voted for obvomit. The election was rigged, there is still a way to throw a wrench into the idiots plans. Call your electoral reps, those in states that are red. 1/3 have to not vote, this will cause a non quorum. This way the house gets to pick the next president. It is true, it is in the constitution. It has been done before. I for one have been sickened by the fraud of this election and once great country. We can still stop this POS, you must call your chair in your state. Remember, Dec 19th is when they are cast. If 1/3 do not vote, Rep house picks. That would put a crick in communist game. We must play like they do, ruthless. There are no rules boy's and girls. None.

    Oh, those of you dems idiots that voted for this POS, you think you are not going to be victims, ask the NJ NY people in tents. No heat, No electric, No bath rooms to speak of.

    Oh, Criss Cristie the two face POS that wants to run in 2016, fool.

    Back to the main issue, SS, 401k and all the rest. SS is nothing but a scam, pure and simple. They took the money yrs ago, 1933 to be exact. (Emergency Banking Act, March 9th 1933, 48stat. 1. Public Law 89-719, declared by FDR , being bankrupt and insolvent HJR 192 73rd congressm session June 5 1933- Joint resolution to suspend the gold standard and abrogate the gold clause dissolve the sovereign authority of the United states. Transferring and aor placing the office of the secretary fo treasury to that of the Governor of the IMF. Basically transferring all assets people future people of the USA with a SS # to be part of the state, SLAVES. That is right slaves, we are all slaves from that moment in time. You did not know that did you. All of what we do we do for the state, because we are part of their system. Go look it up. I just gave you the bill. It states SS is a tax and thus anyone using it as a system is a slave and the Gov has the right to tell you what you get or have from morning till night. Just ask James Trafficant Jr from Ohio, he tried to tell us on the floor of the Congress. Now he is in a nut house for the criminally insane.

    We have been made into collateral against the Federal debt. Fed owns everything to extend credit to the US gov. Funny, congress does not have the power to abdicate this task, did it anyway. Why, banking interest on the debt of the Gov.

    You can opt out of SS and get every dime they owe you. Didi not know that either I bet.

    So many things the citizens or slave does not know. Why do you think the congress and the senate do not want to be apart of the system.

    Health care is the same as SS, just another way to take and control the money inside the society net work. Prints, supply, tax it away. That is how the system works. Wake up, idiots that voted for obvomit and the rest that allow him to get away with the EO he writes are the problem. When you wake up, the ones that scan this blog or post, you will find yourself in the wagon with all the rest. You fools. Rep and Dems that are representing us. They are not. The truth, Jesus is the truth. That is why like cats they hisssssssss when his name is spoken. The fear him, that is why they must remove him from the young. Satin is in the schools, Jesus is not allowed by the union dregs.

    Jesus wins anyway, the lost are drowning victims falling for the same old song and dance. Not me, I will not be effected. How foolish. Just go change your seat on the Titanic. Idiots and fools.

  • Tony

    Is the electoral college going to stand by and okay what this sonofabitch is doing to us and our country?

  • PISSED OFF PATRIOT

    Keep pushing and all hell is going to break loose , WATCH !!!!!

  • Tony

    We must strive to get this sonofabitch out of our presidency, severely restrict the rights that welfare recipients have (like voting)...

    • PISSED OFF PATRIOT

      somewhere out there is a young poilitician that believes in the constitution and the American way of life, he or she will organize the decent people and will rid OUR country of these lice.

      • Raymond

        Not going to happen.
        Read God's Word.

  • 1xgi

    Problem with taking out the money is that it is taxed upon withdrawal. There is a mandatory withdrawal amount that is taxed on withdrawal already what now they want is all. Wake up America the enemy is upon us. GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • a marine .

    We need to be a cash only society. Convert bank accounts and IRA'S AND 401'S to cash and hide it, Make as much money as you can in cash or barter for things you need or need done, the more we can pull out of banks the less chance you have to have that scum sucking POS obama and his demoncrates can take from you.Yes you will pay a penalty in some cases but what are you really earning on your investment . Can you afford to take the chance that your money will not be taken. For those people that like and trust that POS obama leave your money in your accounts. We will see who laughs last. That POS obama and his demoncrate minions are taking us down the path of socialism. The only way demoncrates can get re elected is by the 50%+/- that pay no tax will vote to keep their way of life ,,,,,,AHHHH No work , ebt, welfare, rental assistance, fuel assistance and the like . In our house hold we are what I call lower middle class. We struggle every month to make it, but , we do . We work and live a conservative life, we don't buy $200.00 tennis shoes and $100.00 shirts. We go to WALMART where the prices are cheap, In the last 4 years the cost of food has doubled the cost of gas has doubled and the cost of our health insurance has doubled. All of this so the 50% that don't work can stay at home. The government can not understand why we are pi_sed off. When you work hard all your life and see what you worked for disappear.You do the work so others just sit home, Life is not fair that is for sure but the demoncrates push the welfare system, with no job serarch requirement for the only purpose of staying in power. WE as Americans need to should force the members of the congress the senate and all white house people take a 75% pay cut. but every year they raise their pay. We borrow money from china and other counties so we can give it away. We have a national debt of over 16 trillion dollars and are over 100% of our GDP. By any standard we are bankrupt. But that POS obama and his demoncrates what to give money to other countries for green projects. That by any standard is insane. Before this country can afford to give away tax payer money we need to get our house in order and screw the rest of the world. We need to stop all foreign aid of any kind. WE need to with draw from the un and kick that body out of this country all they do is make the two bit 3d world countries workers at the un rich. We need to expel all muslims from this country, For those that feel islam is a peaceful religion you have not read the quran. It clearly states that all must be converted to islam or else. So wake up America if you want to keep your freedom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Meyer/1785162356 Roger Meyer

    If Obama wants to take my retirement he is perfectly welcome. I'd like someone to take all of my bills!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-H-Goetz-Sr/1400808625 Robert H Goetz Sr

    Thank the Evangelicals who would not come out to vote for Romney... They would rather hand the Nation to the Devil.

  • whatmeworry

    don't you know the government knows how to spend your money,and run your life better than you do.All anyone has to do is look at history or the rest of the world and understand that this doesn't work for very long.Say goodbye to the middle class.

  • Racine Woodward

    We have been so naive for so long that whatever the stupid politicians want to do it's okay. That's why there should be term limits. Whoever pays them the most is the one who gets the favors. Then, one more time, THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. The teachers should be forced to teach the appropriate subjects and NOT THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA. Until we change the methods the same brainwashing will continue. One other change that should be made is the LOONEY JUDGES. The laws they come up with is absolutely STUPID. But I'm sure they are paid very well by the airheads that want them passed. We need to get back and follow The Ten Commandments. Very simple to understand and at least a guide to follow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Randall/100000902475211 John Randall

    They stuck him in there and now we cant get him out, If the Military would wake up and realize Its there own country that needs rescued, Besides our government hasn't got them over there to win ANYTHING, there JUST OVER THERE OUT OF THE WAY, So this crooked government can take over this country, And by the time our military wakes up it will be to late

  • sarcasticswede

    How's that hope and changey thing workin out for ya?

  • HappyClinger

    While I agree that the financial and banking systems are a sham, the National Seniors Council announcement cited in this article is from 2010. Any proposed legislation from 2010 that was not acted on by the Congress of 2010 is dead and has to be re-introduced as a new bill. So please provide us with CURRENT legislative agenda items to worry about instead of using these deceptive scare tactics. I do not like half-truths and deception no matter where it comes from.

  • samuelafugglas

    Who is going to stop the thieves? Can the lead do it?

    • Phillip_in_TX

      If I had to make a guess: Mr. Ruger, Mr. Smith, Mr. Wesson, Mr. Baretta, Mr. Iver Johnson, Mr. Remington . . . And, the American Patriots.

  • gnafuasusual

    Is this fear mongoring, intimidation or just what? As far as I know, no one can touch those 401k's, IRA's or any personal monies except the owners of such. The Government doesn't own those accounts and if no one has committed a crime, like not paying their taxes, how can Government come in and sweep personal accounts clean? There's going to be one helluva fight on Federal's hands if they take people's retirement money for their own use. It won't be distributed. We know that. Each idiot who tries this will stuff their own pockets and the poor won't see a dime of it. People in New Orleans are still waiting to be compensated for their losses. What happened to all the money that BP gave to Obama for N O People? Vacation time, mama - Hawaii, here we come!

    • Phillip_in_TX

      What the "Government" creates, it can "Take Away." Where do you think all the ACCOUNTS came from? Now, where do you think they will GO?

  • jimpeel

    Search on the term "Guaranteed retirement account" (GRA) and see what these thieves are up to. Your IRA, Roth IRA, and 401k are in jeopardy.

  • hmmathis

    When I started working at IBM the in processing briefing mentioned the 401K plan, but they did not push it. Somewhat later my manager gave his department a briefing on it and what a great deal it was: although IBM matched an employee's contribution up to 3% of his salary, the employee could contribute up to 6%. I and most of the department members took advantage of the plan, but one black guy absolutely refused to do so, saying that he needed to have the money to spend on a new BMW. I continued with the plan throughout my employment with IBM, and increased my contributions as the federal law allowed it after 50 years of age. My wife maxed out her 401K contributions as well. We also saved as much of our salaries as we could. The result is that we were able to retire debt-free, live in comfort and able to travel every year.

    We filled our 401K accounts with money that we had deducted from our paychecks voluntarily, and I would despise any elected official who would even suggest that the government should steal the money put aside from our earnings to give to worthless spendthrifts who were unwilling to save for their futures.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RonitaBell Roni Bell Sylvester

    Recently more and more are pondering if the IRS could be crashed if NO one filed income tax (includes employee withholding etc.). Does anyone know the answer?
    Also - when will Obama will go after Pera?

  • SUBSAILOR

    anyone that is weak in the mind and memory only has to look at social security. Try Google and research it from the time it was started. FDR pushed it through (it was unconstitutional and a democrat controlled congress and senate passed it anyway). Then look at all the changes it has under went that has screwed the public and broke the rules that were set forth including stealing the funds using IOU's ). Under Clinton they voted to tax part of people's social security and it was tied and Al Gore VP voted to do it as a tie breaker. (and they always tell everyone at election time the republicans will take away your social security and most idiots believe it.) Lyndon Johnson and a democratic controlled congress and senate gave the final ok to steal the money to pay for the Vietnam war.

  • pyro

    I agree with an earlier comment. Food, bullets, hygiene products, fuel; these are bartering and required items. And being multi-skilled doesn't hurt either. I can repair most smaller engines, paint/draw, miniature sculpting and recently at 49 years old just became journeyman level at hair cutting. Never know when a poor fella might want a good shave and a cut.

  • ONTIME

    When is America going to go after the taxpaid retirement and medical our congressional and appointees now reap? They get cadillac plans, adjusted retirements, perks of all sorts and you and I get to overpay for it...
    Time for term limits, salary only and no retirement, time to end incumbency and elitism. Time for a national sales tax, time to end class warfare and tax discrimiation, that 47% needs to become ordinary taxpayers so we can balance a budget and have accountability and regain our diminishing representatation.....or you can learn to love tax oppression.

  • Old1946vet

    The really sad part about this is the thought that the number of people who agree to going after "other people's" investments will grow. As the liberal spending will just keep increasing and the time will come where the liberals will turn on one another for their wealth. There's only so much money and it can be shared only so far.

  • ONTIME

    Do you suppose he will go after all the government union workers retirement and the congress perks and retirements?

  • MrCReed54

    oBAMA wants us to dend over and like it!

  • Charles

    YOU CAN BET YOUR BUTTS THAT NOT ONE CENT WILL COME OUT OF THEIR RETIREMENT FUNDS!!!! THE AMERICAN POPULACE SHOULD CONSIDER THE OLD TREATMENT-----"BOIL THEM IN OIL" !! YEAH, I LIKE THAT!!!

    • mudguy1

      Yes and they are exempt from Obamacare, They get their own special health care that we pay for. Seams fair to me. After all they looking out for us and want give us what is best. Because we don't know what is best. And we need a Nanny to look out for us.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HM63OD3M3DCXW4RFTETVMJBMOM Shell

    Next the government will want your house, your car, your boat, your land and all your assets. Once they get it all and you are left with NOTHING to call your own there will be NOTHING left to take and you will not be needed to take up space on planet earth. Sad, but that is the way it works and appears the way it is going now!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Horton/100000278827311 Jeff Horton

    If this thing passes I can see a war on the horizon. Buy gold and hide it, because we will go back to making gold illegal to own. This administration is all about control they are slowly integrating it into our system slowly in some areas and fast in others. Slowly starting with our children. On one end and the elderly on the other end. I read the other day in San Antonio they are placing tracking chips in the students ID cards. One student stood up against these cards and refused to carry it. she is being expelled from school. To me these cards are being used so when these kids are older their licenses will have tracking chips to tell location and how they drive. Eventually leading to skin transplant chips. For the elderly they start with controlling their health care, and now with their retirement money they have saved for their selves. And because people who didn't have the discretion to save for their selves will share the retirement with them. So why save for our retirement? This whole move is hidden in another goal of the left. WORLD GOVERNANCE, this will bring our style of living in line with Kenya. That is really is meant by a level playing field. It is not meant just for our nation, but for the nations whom have wealth. To distribute to the poor nations. The left say we robbed them of their natural resources. When in fact we bought the resources. Many times it is a careless government whom sold those resources to benefit a select few. The world becoming a communistic global governance is the end game.

    • becky

      Exactly.

  • nekole

    How many times where we taxed on this money in our retirement accounts?

  • DixieAngel_76

    This has been part of their plan for decades. Only now that they have successfully desensitized many people to communism do they have the gall to try and actually do it.

    • becky

      And it's worked so well hasn't it? The kids under 35 have no idea what they voted for. Nor do some of their stupid parents who really ought to know better.

      • DixieAngel_76

        Well, you can't really be surprised when their parents were force fed the same liberal hogwash in the public screwels.

        • becky

          I know one person only a year younger than me - and I was educated before education was ruined - who voted for the communist and thinks he's just a "normal" lib/dem. Both the kids are dems who voted for the communist too. I have a very hard time grasping how people can be THAT stupid Dixie....

        • DixieAngel_76

          It's human nature to look for a leader to 'save' us during scary times like these, and sadly people rarely really look at history. I find it interesting that liberals are always bashing conservatives and saying we let 'rich, white, talk radio guys, and Fox news' think for us, but who do they let think for them? The lame stream media and the Hollywood elite? They get their history lessons from TV and movies, so why is it surprising that they don't see the frightening parallels between Germany as she was falling under Hitler's spell and America today? Think it can't happen to us? Open your eyes, sheeple, it already is. Only thing is, there's no "superpower" who will save us. When we fall, that's it for freedom.

        • becky

          You have the entire gist of it down pat. It's so hard to believe there are millions - apparently - of Americans who don't "get it". It's right before their noses and they can't see it???? You're much more laid back than I am Dixie. Makes me crazy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bev-Schewanick/1247988545 Bev Schewanick

    Time for a REVOLUTION !!!

  • Gordon

    While resistance is threatened , 98% of you will sheepishly turn over your guns and ammo, and watch as they search for and confiscate your money and valuables. Then, the dumb-downed and overwhelmed health care programs will preside over your early demise.
    He who has a brain, let him think...and build an ark while he still can!

  • cowboytex

    when they go around looking for guns and money,they will be shot dead,and that you can take to the bank!!

  • Charles

    And to think of how many of us older citizens enlisted to serve in WW2, to protect the likes of these disgusting liberals, hurts!! A lot of them were just brats then!!!

    • becky

      If you were one of those Charles I am truly sorry for what this country and its people have done to devalue your service.

  • Christian_Patriot7

    Since the Hollywood rich support Obama, maybe they should be the first ones to hand over all their millions.

    • gapch12

      They will probably be exempt.

  • del

    My goodness...maybe all those old geegaws that voted for this muslim jerk will see what he means by redistribution! Anyone voting for the idiot in the white house will get what the rest of us know is coming...unfortunately they and the rigged election will drag all of us down unless the 3-5 million minutemen can hoist these dopes out of our government and out of our lives!

    • becky

      It is always so nice to see someone who SEES! I am so lonely stranded on this desert island.

  • dad666

    Keep your guns close and your ammunition dry. This wouls be the straw that broke the camels back.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2BZHO5ROO7QRRX6CJJJEBUBQPY Tim

    Important to remember the money is now locked in, in other words you will be taxed at the highest level and pay a penalty to withdraw funds. This, just for those who might think it is really your retirement fund. It is time to slay the dragon!

  • mcclain

    just wait,you have not seen anything yet.watch Morsi in Egypt if you really want to know what Obama is going to try to pull in this country.

  • SallyE

    I expect Obama to send his minions to look under my sofa cushions for every dime he can steal.

  • boyer68

    Best keep your ear to the ground folks, be ready to move quickly, to pull your money out, even if it means losing a buch of it to taxes. Better to have some, than none.

  • halfvast

    @Daves - I am about 4 or so years away from retirement age and have worried some about the security of my IRA's as well. I have thought that it might be better at this point to pull it, take the penalty, pay off my property, and place the balance in something like silver. Even if I don't do that, when inflation hits hard my account value will be forfeited to those who are able to make money in a down economy. I read the book 'Aftershock' which describes what will happen (and is happening) to the global economy and how it relates to my financial future... and it is not a pretty sight AND it is unavoidable. Those who are proponents of the kind of programs and spending that the US gov is doing and still pursuing scare me. @'Chester' - who does all those 'christian' things and still voted for Obama... why? You read the bible but decided that Obama was an acceptable choice for the leadership of this country? Why? Please don't cite Romney info. I don't care about why you didn't vote for him, I am looking for insight as to what you saw in Obama that was vote-worthy.

  • looneytoonsindville

    Looks like it's time to follow Romney's lead and put your money into the Cayman Islands!

  • granny007

    It isn't just seniors who have these accounts....we set them up for our grandchildren when they graduated from high school and they can regularly contribute to them throughout their working years. We warned them, but they voted for Obama....the oldest is 22.

  • dondehoff

    An excellent and timely article---but it can be boiled down into one 7-letter word: "ROBBERY" (or perhaps even, "armed" robbery)! No matter how one rationalizes, massages or slices it, ROBBERY is the word. Now, the President is getting into the pockets of the wealthy and middle-class Democrats and if "they" are paying any attention, a 11-letter word should come to mind: IMPEACHMENT. Congress, you had better come to the defense of your constitutents, or you too will feel the wrath of the Citizens---a firing squad has no favorites.

    • becky

      Like the aggression in your statement. But he needs hanged for treason. You can't impeach an illegal president.

  • eddie3896

    Its time to "lock and load" what else can we do. The parasites got moneky-man
    re-elected and now he's after all of our money...not that I have a whole lot. But
    it is mone...or I thought so. The democrats are hell-bent on controling us. Trust
    me...they will regret it.

  • Melia Sese

    This is a waste of time, as goverment is not revenue-constrained in today's fiat currency era. I wouldn't take this stuff seriously. (Else why the need to remove the debt ceiling? Clearly some in the Admin actually understand the reality.) If the 401-K and IRA were not guaranteed, then the assets will be moved out of them, regardless of the tax penalty.

    • becky

      This IS NOT government! This has been a communist take-over - and it is complete thanks to the uneducated, ignorant, and terminally stupid voters.

  • John

    This is one stupid article

    • halfvast

      Looks like if you don't register someone else can take your 'name'... lesson learned. Not my post...

  • Friscolady

    I am so sick and tired of this government. I don't know what else to say. I love my country, I despise the government. I love the founding principles and the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but I despise what the government has become.

    It is so time to reign this bunch in! And we missed our best and probably last chance to that on November 6th!

    • becky

      This government is ALL communist now. We never did have a chance with the 2012 election. It was over the day it became public knowledge Georgey Porgey Soros bought the voting machines. He just had them all programmed to switch votes from Romney to 'bamy the communist. When you allow someone into your country the likes of Nazi Georgey you had to figure this was coming. Now we have a communist muslime. Care to guess what happens next?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3U7N6STR3XT5VADZEFPW27TF7U Harry H

    Seniors are tired of the Government trying to run their lives. I don't have the money for one of these accounts but if I did I would be raising H@LL over it all the way to the White House.

  • Hadenoughalready

    I find this story pretty unnerving. Just this past weekI called my financial advisor and started proceedings to pull my 401 K. The hell with the communists.

    • Friscolady

      It is a pity that not all of us are duel citizens like most of my family are. We have already protected what we can. Not that I think it will do any good, for it seems the whole financial world is going to He!!.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

    When you start messing with people's hard eaned money, there will be gunplay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.burdette.5 Mike Burdette

    he already stole from Medicare and that wasnt never supposed to be touched either not no way no how why wouldnt he just take it from you if he can Dam people didnt anybody read his Books lol He would love nothing better than to break America and so far is on a jolly good show of doing just that heck he has money stashed awy he isnt worried about himself or his family I gaurantee ya that , when it comes to the Nut Cutting it will be yours ya Both Men and womens he will break everybody
    you Infedels lol Im a Proud Infedel ya makes ya wonder how much interest you will make Gold ?? dunno will bottom fall out of it ?? its trade able easy to liquidate ?? maybe put some in there Precunix is a good spot to check

  • http://profiles.google.com/pudbertsavannahga Mort Leith

    Secession is closer than what you might think,,

    ILLEGAL government theft of our hard EARNED money, especially our retirement savings, is nothing short of THEFT !

  • Mac

    DO YOU WANT TO STOP OBAMA
    Tell Boehner to exercise the 12th Amendment!

    The Electoral College will meet on Dec 17th. They will try to form a forum of states so they can cast their electoral votes for Obama. If they do not have enough states to form a forum, then CONGRESS HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PICK THE NEXT PRESIDENT! The Senate will pick the Vice President. Popular vote doesn't mean a thing!

    I STRONGLY urge each and every American, who wants to end this nightmare of an administration to write, call, email, wire, fax every Republican in Congress and tell them to have their state SUSTAIN from casting a electoral vote from the College.

    THIS COULD BE AMERICA'S VERY LAST CHANCE OF SAVING THIS COUNTRY FROM THIS SOCIALIST TRAIN WRECK OF THIS PRESIDENT!

  • Kari

    It use to be "little by little" they take your freedoms.....now they're upping the ante and taking "lots and lots" constantly. When will it stop? Answer....not until they have it all!!! God Help Us and we better help ourselves!!!

  • TheTexasCooke

    You can always depend on a thief to steal.....

  • arden68

    When are they going to impeach that idiot we have for a leader!!!!

    • becky

      He needs hanged for treason. You can't impeach an illegal president. You can only impeach a REAL President.

  • STAND FOR FREEDOM

    The worker bees are taking care of the drones, this is what this is all about. Hard work no longer pays off, hard work is discouraged when a business is taxed to feed freeloaders and parasites who live off government freebies. As long as Democrats have control of Congress and the presidency, the drones will eat up resources and cause the economy to collapse. Drones don't care if they ruin the economy as long as they get "their fairshare". Before Democrats go after retirement money, it's time to pull retirement money out of the US where it's safe.

  • Brabado

    Thank you for telling us that Barry Soetoro and his Army of Miserables, is goint to take over our had earned savings....
    Is there anything we can do?
    GOD SAVE AMERICA!

    • Raymond

      Turn to God.

  • ladyhuckleberry

    Is there nothing sacred to this administration? For every penny they want it seems that's just one more drop of blood money it's costing Joe Q. Citizen. Never in my life have I seen anything like this. It's as if the Fearless One wants all the money, control, and God knows what else over us. And to think we had the chance to have him voted out and those holier than thous just had to have him re-elected. Geesh Louise, was one term not enuff, ewwwwwww?

    • daves

      Do you really believe this?

    • becky

      Never in the life of anyone alive now have we been in the clutches of Communism.

  • TheGizmo51

    Gotta go where the money is so it's only fair.

  • netandyawho

    Face reality! B.O. is not just a liberal. He is a communist! Too bad abortion wasn't legal when he was conceived.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CXNU2XRQR4DQDE7QL5D4B67RAQ RONNIE

    Just remember all those that voted for him. He is great the best we have ever had. I hope all these sick son of bitches are happy.

  • Maureen

    Interesting - Canada is going in the opposite direction - making more options available to encourage Canadians to save for retirement. We have had for a long time Registered Retirement Savings plans which allows for workers to save money without it being taxed until they withdraw it (on the assumption that it will be taxed when you retire and your annual income will be lower). About three years ago, the Harper government created tax free savings accounts that allows any individual over 18 to stash away $5,000 max annually in an account where taxes are not paid on interest. A lot of people have panned that because they assume that people will put it in bank saving accounts, but you can actually put in an any investment - mine is making close to 12% annually on mutual funds.

    They are looking at pooled pension plans to help small employers offer their workers a pension plan - but that is slow getting off the ground.

    Plus we have the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) which is totally supported with employer and employee premiums that get re-set occasionally to maintain the integrity of the plan. The only thing that is funded by tax revenues is Old Age Security (OAS) and recently they reset the age that individuals are eligible for that to 67 for anyone born after 1958 to reflect the demographics.

    The message that the Harper government continues to send out to Canadians is that your are responsible for your retirement and don't count on the government - but here are a lot of options for you. Plus, our members of Parliament and our federal public service workers have just had their pension contributions to their gold plated plans increased - they are still good plans, but the trend is to increased contributions.

    Even without the CPP and OAS, but retirement funds will likely generate between $45,000 to $55,000 annually - add in the $14,000 CPP and OAS will provide and I think I'm set. I feel sad for my American friends - you're screwed!

  • http://www.facebook.com/nunyer.binnis.18 Nunyer Binnis

    Screw Obama. I don't HAVE a retirement account. Let's see... Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'... Carry the nothin...

  • Sulli

    My retirement account has $0.00, come and get it!!!

  • dndvaughn

    I've already switched all my 401K investments from stocks, bonds, etc. and moved it to gold.
    If they attempt to take any of it, I will do as Screeminmeeme. Sell it all and keep it under my mattress...hopefully I can purchase 'real' gold, and store it away !
    If Obama wants my freekin money, he's gonna have to come and get it !! He'll have to get by a few 45 rounds, some 308, and .30 cal. I've got 'armor' piercing for any of his flunkies that come in flack jackets. He will be looking for the 51% who voted for him to help. Heck there too lazy, that's why they're on his freeby lists.

  • Orr

    So some ghetto roach who did nothing but inseminate the neighborhood, or crank out illegitimate children should get the same pension as those who contributed to society their whole life??? Phuck no!!!!

  • Pat

    Go after retirement accounts ? Are you F'ng crazy NO-Bama ??? This is why that guy is an inept idiot.

    • becky

      Pat please understand that we are under assault by the communists and their charismatic doofus (that would be 'bamy). NOTHING he has done has been out of incompetence. It was all planned out for a very long time and just waited till they found someone who could get elected by a stupid electorate willing to vote on the miasma feeling that he LOOKED nice.

  • DAVE2

    This red blooded AMERICAN believes they now have the vote and will make changes that we will HATE. They have been working on this for a long time. If I feed you and give you lots of stuff, you are gonna vote me back in office. Just watch what goes on over the next few months. We do have some control at the local level and we better take it very serious.

  • ginjit.dw

    This is bulls?!?. When will that stop...Never...What is mine is theirs. I hate this way of thinking....This is what our future is gonna look like????

    • becky

      yes as long as the communists reign.....

  • ladyceo

    When Obamacare is in full force, don't we have to give the IRS all of out financial info, even where we keep our gold (if we're lucky to have any)? Could this be how the govt. will take it from us??? How can we stop them if this is true?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carole-Wood/1804287853 Carole Wood

    Seniors might be smart to empty their accounts now and put it in metals, gemstones, etc. land. Nobody is getting much in the way of interest nowdays, so no big loss there. At least the government theives couldn't get their mits on their hard earned savings. Those of us that have worked and saved all our lives are NOT inclined to give to the 'deadbeats' of life. That includes most of congress also. I'm just sick to death of the government and the deadbeats sucking the life blood out of society. Let the deadbeats camp out on Obummers front lawn. After all, he pandered to them to get elected, that bill is coming due. Let the deadbeat liar in chief feed them, cloth them, house them, etcd. Oh, wait, that might interfer with his golf games, hoops, and MUCHELLES parties and shopping spreess.... TO BAD!

  • Wil

    you don"t aim at the body, it has to be a head or leg shot

  • Oisaturd

    It's about time someone put this in print. In Aug. or Sept. of 2009, the Dems had a meeting with a lot of the big players in the IRA and 401 business. The next year there was a follow up meeting where the big players discussed their concerns with a govt. takeover. Their biggest concern was, are you ready for it? How do we continue to make our 3 1/2 percent?
    I think minutes of the meetings are in ERISA's files. Damn, I wish I had bookmarked the library of Congress reports. I would have been able to direct everyone to them. Try googling " govt takeover, IRA, 401". The reports start out with 75XXXX something, something.

  • Jude O'Connor

    When the Russians liberated the POW camps of the Germans 25,000 American GI's were taken to Russia, Patton went crazy about this and IKE knew about it but did nothing. Patton also had a fit because he was told to stand down until the Russians got to Berlin. You cannot trust the commies, read the history.

  • bigdog137

    I have an idea, let's retire Nobama from office straight to jail, do not stop, go directly to jail!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jude.andrews.94 Jude Andrews

    Those on the dole will support Junior to take what you have earned for retirement and share with them.
    Stop being so greedy!!
    Isn't it nice to have a POTUS willing to pit one American against another and worse, the sheeple like it.

  • stealth101

    I say, CLOSE all accounts and see what this administration THINKS OF THAT!!!!

  • v steve

    Why do you think obama signed all those executive orders for the last 4 years not to use them. There is nothing you can do so just hand it over to obama he knows best. You that fight it are now in the minority. The only recourse you have is to buy guns and ammo and when the come to get them which they will take a few of them with you other than that there is nothing you can do. Good luck. obama the FUHRER your ruler for the next 30 plus years and many will have to die.

    Go here, http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=17115&progcode=total&yr=mtotal When you get there just pick your state and county or any state or county real easy to use. See how much of your tax money is going to farmers for doing nothing for it. My neighbor has gotten just under 1 million over the last 15 years how long would it take you to make a million dollars at you job. Subsides are on top of what the farmer makes off his farm.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000303879569 Nanette Gray

    The biggest mistake people made in this country, while think they agree to "take" from the rich to give to...whom? It is to the government! For some odd reason Americans see Uncle Sam as an real entity! "Someone" who will give them, where in the heck do people think "Uncle Sam" gets this money? The government FIRST line the pockets of the special interest groups and then buys off those that do not mind getting crumbs so they do not have to work! There is no way that you can borrow beyond what you produce without taking more and more, the government does not make money they TAKE money. If you are not willing to cut back on your spending when will it stop? One has to ask themselves who is going to pay and what are they going to cut? In the governments hand, it will not be their money nor those who "give" for political leverage. Eventually there will be two classes of people, rich and poor! The rich will not be who you think it will be, but those who are in power to control you! It is really sad, to understand and come to the realization, that the average American is really not very smart! They are blind and do not see. This administration will not get enough money from their "rich people" source, after they gut the middle class and take from of groups of people who have earned anything..that is when you get less and less benefits from the government. There is a bottom and we are going there fast Amerians!

  • TxFred

    I hear what all of you folks are saying about being prepared to defend our selves and our possessions. Which we will all do gladly! One thing the UN and a lot of other socialist BT's are totally forgetting is that within the population of the U.S. is a standing Army of former highly trained and combat experienced former military combatants! It won't really matter what color their helmets are, if they are against the citizens of this great country they will have to take it from us one person, and one shot at a time! If ANYONE thinks we will lay down and quietly hand over anything without a fight to the last person standing they are sadly mistaken! 'From our cold dead hands!' Is not just a bumper sticker!

  • Star-Dust

    How in the world did that muslim ever get in the white house is a wonder to me... We all knew he was the lazy person and not going to leave office after his 4 years is up, he will be there for a thrid. And what really hurt me the most, we are going to be government by the Sharia Law,obama is calling it the law of the land, well, who voted for those laws anyways, l sure as hell did not.

    • becky

      by decades of uneducated, stupid, ignorant, and lazy voters. too lazy to get educated and have the knowledge to stop this communist take-over.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=637854091 Tracy Gibson

    what a load of crap

  • Bob Koomans

    Use your money to get into a business that is easy on our ageing bodies, as when the first crunch comes, you lose control of your money. When the 2nd crunch comes, the Government will raid the pension funds like "slush funds" as happened in Queensland State under the then Premier Bligh(t). I think Greece also had this problem, and Spain and Italy are in it, but unreported so far, but we know Italian pensioners have had their pensions slashed to HALF! (and it was not caused by foreign exchange rates) ... 1 + 1 = 2 remember?

  • John

    The old saw " A good deed never goes unpuniished " is paticularly true with the left and liberals. I tried to wisely participate in annuites and I.R.A.'s so that I would not be burden on my fellow citizens and also enjoy the fruits of my life's labors. Now it seems that Obama and his band of merry thieves are about to loot my life's savings. I don't think will take it willingly,lying down. i have worked and planned too hard to allow a bunch of thieving politicians take it all without resistance of some kind.

  • capistlust

    Socialists are always so generaous with OPM (Other People's Money), which as we all know is infinite and never runs away. That is, until it is all gone. I'd love to see how much capital has flown the coop in the U.S. since Obama was first elected (the end of the United States and the beginning of the People's Egalitarian Democratic Republic of Obamastan).

  • Artie

    Ladies & Gentlemen, please make sure they are blue helmets, and not our own guys and girls. Being an ex marine, I couldn't never take up arms up against them. Also, be careful, as the very dangerous individual in the White House wants you to rebel, so he can declare marshall law, and declare himself a dictator. Even if we won, he will have gotten what he wants, i.e. the destruction of the United States, as we know it. As I said, he is a very dangerous man, and an enemy of America. We need to be smarter than him, and take him down that way...legally....

    • becky

      How Artie do we do this legally when the communists have been infiltrating our court system with communists for decades now? None of these people will stand against their communist leader. I'm tired and disabled - on the job years ago - but I refuse to give up my country if I have to freaking CRAWL!

  • Mad Mike

    If bad comes to worse, and Obama and our now totally corrupt communist government imposes Marshall law, and tries to confiscate our firearms, our course of action is very clear. We cannot sit and wait for them to turn America into the world's biggest prison. We must do as Bush did and "take the war to them". We must get together, select leaders, get an honest federal judge or governors to issue arrest warrants for high treason against Obama and his co-conspirators and criminal supporters. We the people, (in the millions), will go to Washington D.C. and serve those arrest warrants against those who violated our constitutional laws and launched a criminal "coup d' tat" against the American people. This federal government will bare the historical responsibility, and suffer the severe consequences and penalties for causing and starting America's 2nd civil war. Every veteran of our armed forces swore an oath to protect our constitution and none, ever, "un-swore" that oath. American veterans will not tolorate a dictator and will fight to the death for it's freedom and the constitution they swore an oath to defend so help us god!

  • Jack Parker

    Hey it's free money just lying around for Odumbo to grab. After all. Anybody with any extra money for their retirement isn't playing the socialist game by the rules. We have to redistribute all that "wealth" to make things "fair".

  • Bay0Wulf

    I, for one, am not surprised in the least. I thought it was pretty fishy when they were first "created" (IRA's and 401k's). It sort of discouraged actual investing for socking money away in a place where the Government could keep their eyes on it.

    Having watched the Social Security Funds get raided for every possible penny and every other "savings" venture the Government was ever involved in have their monies diverted by politicians to various and sundry "projects" or "short falls", it did not seem likely that all those funds would be left untouched somehow. All the funds previously "saved" were not invested but merely taken and replaced by empty IOU's.

    I considered this years ago but watched in growing concern as the economy struggled and the banks lost billions of dollars from their systems as people began to spend down their savings as they struggled to stay afloat. The economy struggled and the Government went out of its way to infuse cash into the economy hoping to somehow kickstart it. Money it didn't have and seemingly has no way of coming up with. Every slush fund and kitty the Government had is now dry and there are still millions who line up expecting to receive assistance. Some of those people are those who "contributed" for several years and they want what is owed them but many have been indoctrinated into believing the Government will take care of them since it always has ... even though the receivers did nothing to earn any such consideration. The tax base has fallen to seriously low levels as "good" jobs have fled overseas, given up, closed their doors or are just not being created due to the terrible climate for business in the USA as well as the shortage of a trained, qualified workforce.

    The current (New) Administration basically has promised that the USA will continue to be a cornucopia of goodness ... especially for those who have not even attempted to earn their share ... and basically promised that they would do this by reaching their hands into the pockets of "those" rich folks who ... "should be paying more". Of course, the math never added up but ... when did it ever?

    The Banking and Financial Industry as well as the Government has long run on the savings of the common citizen. This Economy, this Government has eradicated an estimated 40 to 50% or more of the entire savings base of the Nation.

    IRA's and 401k's are some of the lowest hanging and juiciest fruit out there. Do you actually believe they are outside of "plucking" reach?

  • Bay0Wulf

    As a side note ... I would think that there is every reason to start to squirrel away whatever you can in something outside of the Governments view. Whether its a hole in yard, a loose stone in the fireplace ... you get my drift. Buy the investment items for cash to the extent you can without giving any ID (check the dollar limit before the vendor needs to collect your information and buy to that limit and no more ... not from that vendor on that day). Interest income levels are very low so "investing" is just taking the unnecessary hazard of having paperwork "proof" that those monies exist.

    If you can't afford gold, buy silver, copper ... heck, save nickels (the metal is worth more than the coin) small gems ... silver is a pretty good deal and fairly readily available. Pure silver would be best but junk coins (which are not 100% silver but are readily identifiable) would be good also.

    I think that it is time to consider digging out that old "nuclear attack" lesson called "Duck & Cover" but this time its not a nuke ... Its Big Brother, Uncle Sam, Our Government that you are trying to protect yourself from.

    Good Luck.

  • freedomringsforall

    Again and again more reasons are coming to light as to why:

    We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist codling bunch of scum out of power in these United States.

    Then we need to work our bums off to get our freedoms and rights restored.

    We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings.

    We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

    • becky

      YES to all that! We truly ARE the light in this world. Where do WE go when this country fails? Ask that simple question and you have the answer.

  • coconuisse

    I'm guessing the liberals have limited imaginations AND they are running out of things they haven't taxed before. You can't cure a drug addict by giving him more drugs, just as you can't cure a money addict by giving him more money.. What is needed is LESS taxes AND an end to these addicts' ability to borrow the money they haven't been able to extract from the taxpayer!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Broussard/100000569719030 Paul Broussard

    That's when my gun comes off the wall and the revolution begins!!!

  • Grandma C

    Something immediately occurred to me that I haven't seen mentioned here. I believe that Obama feels like most retirees won't be needing their retirement funds anyway, because his health care plan is going to eliminate so many of us by default by use of death panels and rationing.

    • becky

      And Grandma if that doesn't work - and yes, that IS EXACTLY what these communists plan for us - there are also the 10's of millions of deaths of the starving citizens when the country is being laid to waste to usher in Communism. Noticed the California Valley is no longer producing food? Noticed the commie-in-chief refuses to allow corn to be used to feed animals and humans rather than ethanol? Notice the feds are taking over all the lands out west - that's RANCHING land, but don't worry, those cows don't need to eat.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXBXB2ER5P4ZNCBEZVITE5FTEI morris

    I cannot understand why anyone would think that people with retirement accounts are the "rich." I am retired with a retirement account, but I was a blue collar worker and planned for decated for a livable income in my retirement years. I did well and now enjoy a retirement income of about 40% of my working wages. I am most certainly not alone. If I was rich, then I would say that I don't need a retirement account other than my savings account. Anyone who buys into the idea that a legal retirement account is an indication of wealth is not living in reality. They are either fools or liars or both.
    All that money came out of my personal wages that I elected to put away for myself and my family, not as support for someone who simply wants to spend everything they have every payday. i went for years wearing the same clothes and boots to work, ate bologna sandwiches, and drove old beater cars just to save money for my own future. Now our lying and illegal President and his socialist cronies want to take my personal savings from my hard earned money of 48 working years and guard it like they did our Social Security. Remember that? Congress illegally moved those funds out of the protected Social fund and promptly spent over $2.5 trillion of their special interests. That began under President Johnson and a Democrat Congress. Now without that $2.5 trillon, those same criminals say they will have to set aside money to keep it solvent. They pat themselves on the backs as rescuing heros for preparing to increase our taxes to subsidize the shortfalls that they created when they stole our Social Security cash.
    Little known fact: Social Security money was "borrowed" to totally finance the Vietnam war that began in May, 1963, and was ended by a Republican President. who made money? The military industrial complex companies, not our warriors who acrually did the fighting. Those companies were paid with our SS cash.

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.mcsherry.52 James Mcsherry

    Why should the people who worked and saved have their money have it when the 47% {IE WELFARE & Democrat loyalist} want it?

  • Potawatomi13

    Investing it all in Gold is looking better almost every day!

  • Potawatomi13

    IF that day should come WE need to get rid of(exterminate) ALL state and local leaders in EVERY city and county, confiscate all of their wealth and install good CONSERVATIVE gun carrying Tea Party patriots in their place. We can't have them still around able to take back control. Then we take control of our own states National Guard who is under the command of the Governor of each state. If they won't support us then they will give up their arms and military standing. THEN we're in a position to tell the feds DON'T CROSS THIS BORDER OF THIS SOVERIGN STATE ON PENALTY OF DEATH!

  • dHb

    Two great quotes by Ronald Reagan:

    “Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets.”

    “Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”

  • madmadmad

    It won't work for seniors to take their retirement out and stuff it under their mattress. Let me tell you what happens now if you do something like that. My husband and I got letters from the Social Security Adm yesterday so I haven't been able to call them about it yet. Doesn't really matter because you either can't get thru or the person you get will have no clue as to what you are talking about. The letter advised that there will be a 1.7% increase in SS for 2013 and our medicare part B premium will be $104.90. But, because we took $160,000 (roughly 1/3 of what he had) out of my husband's retirement account (netted about $110,000 after taxes) to help one of our children we are each going to pay an additional $104.90 for part B plus another $48.40 for some sort of 2013 ded for prescription drug cov so each of us will be paying $258.90 for medicare plus the supplement we have + the prescription plan we have. So, all in all we will be paying about $856 a month for healthcare for both of us. Isn't Obamacare wonderful? So, just a warning to seniors. If you withdaw a lot from your retirement plan be prepared to pay additional medicare. If we had known this (we couldn't know any of the provisions because our congressional leaders didn't know what was in the bill either) we might have done something different. Too late now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMJUHF4UNZWSLIDRXPSSTOHA3Q Shane

    Big Brother Barry wants to control every aspect of our lives. Fight Big Brother Barry and the Liberal Fascists!

  • Penny Lyn Haulman

    Father f****rs

  • Charles of Waveland,MS.

    We should add the word Communism to the already, Socialist, Liberal Democrat's title. We have reached a point where the People can NOT even vote them OUT.

  • David S. McQueen

    The Obama regime will use the excuse of a down-turn in the stock market to "prove" that the government (i.e., Obama) can better invest your 401-K, etc. The amount of money in the retirement accounts of private citizens is many trillions of dollars. The SIEU and state government workers' union pension funds are grossly under-funded. What better way than to "invest" those trillions to fund the government employees' union pensions? And the 51% will cheer that "the rich" are finally paying their "fair share". (insert dripping sarcasm here)

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.andrews.790256 Brian Andrews

    More insidious, the feds just borrow more money… My 2 year
    old grandson has a $52k fed debt mortgage with no house to show for it.. And assuming
    he will grow up to be a productive tax paying American supporting the other 47%,
    his portion of the burden is closer to $100K…

  • Truth goes 100 MPH

    Does this mean the "Occupy" folks will not be getting any checks from Mommy and Daddy? Oh, the horror of their actually having to work instead of demonstrating in front of a building where people go to WORK!

    • Andrew Marzilli

      You are right, the only question I have is who in their right mind would even consider hiring one of those libtard fools

  • LiberatedCit

    Update

    Private Savings Accounts May Be "On the Table" in Fiscal Cliff Talks

    Monday, 19 November 2012 15:01As part of the Administration’s continuing drive to redistribute wealth, the National Seniors Council believes that tax-deferred contributions to retirement plans like 401(k)s and IRAs may very well be on the table in bipartisan budget negotiations going on right now between Congress and the White House.

    more

    http://www.nationalseniorscouncil.org/

    Republicans About To Fall For A World Class Social Security Bait-And-Switch Con

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/lawrencehunter/2012/11/19/republicans-about-to-fall-for-a-world-class-social-security-bait-and-switch-con/

    (Life Long Democrat Lloyd Blankfein) Goldman Sachs CEO: Americans Should Work Longer & Receive Fewer Benefits

    http://frontporchpolitics.com/2012/11/goldman-sachs-ceo-americans-should-work-longer-receive-fewer-benefits/

  • Rwolf

    If Obama will confiscate your retirement it is problematic Obama Next will want to confiscate Americans’ other property for the 51% that voted for him; seize Americans’ real estate and homes even if that means evicting the owners? You may recall the communists in Poland not long ago were able to rapidly organize support for a communist government by offering Poland’s downtrodden and criminals the property of well off Polish Citizens; communist looters could keep whatever they confiscated. Homeowners were found dead hanging from their dinning room chandeliers; their homes stripped of everything valuable. Communist supporters attacked Poles cutoff the fingers of supposed well-off people to steel their jewelry. Increasingly in the U.S. there are reports of mobs taking over stores, stating “We own this place” while taking the merchandise. Wake up America! Obama’s ilk won’t stop with taking your retirement account; Obama Reds want everything you have.

    • becky

      This is - precisely - the goal of AGENDA 21.

  • InvestmentGuru

    Keep in mind that the government can regulate your attempts
    to build liquid asset portfolios and avoid taxation. Today's electronic world
    makes it easier to trace monetary transactions.

    Once the money is in a "safe harbor" account, it
    will be harder for the government to regulate where mutual funds invest than to
    regulate where banks and brokers invest.

    The SEC stood up to the SEC Commissioner when they tried to
    place restrictive and unwelcome regulation on money funds. Obama can change the
    SEC but he would be unwise to take on Wall Street (of course he is not only
    unwise but willful and a megalomaniac who has socialist goals and not political
    goals -- don't underestimate him.

  • Backgammon

    At which time will Americans say NO? Just curious. Half of America thinks you should share your savings! Wake Up People! At what time will we say "ENOUGH"?

    • Andrew Marzilli

      I said enough about 4 years ago

  • RH6194

    A battle cry for the ages..."Give me liberty or give me death!"

  • Dave

    Something needs to change in the nomination and election of our government officials before it is too late to stop an irreversible liberal take over of our country. The incestuous relationship between the big labor unions and the Democrats has gotten out of control and so totally biased that the country at large is no longer being served in a balanced and truly representative manner. The radical liberal element within the Democratic party has stitched together a group of specials interest groups (union members, environmental extremists, gay rights, atheists, African Americans, Hispanics, woman rights activists, and those receiving and living off of government subsidies (welfare, food stamps, etc)). This is a huge set of voting blocks, many of who pay no federal income taxes, and therefore favor income redistribution and higher taxes which they know much of is rerouted to them in one form or another by the liberal Democrats in power in government at all levels.

    • becky

      Dave Dave Dave... It IS too late already. Doesn't anybody know History anymore? Dave this has been going on in an escalated manner SINCE 1960! For eons and decades before that the communists - and Dave these people ARE NOT liberals anymore, they are flat out communists - were working on taking over the education system (completed in the 1970's); changing the country to a "Secular" nation (completed probably in the 1970's) so there is NO loyalty to God, but only to government; pushing their GAY agenda to totally break down the family unit that holds a society together (probably complete in the 1990's); pushing abortion to also aid in breaking down the family unit (still ongoing but since the 70's also); but most of all PUSHING THEIR WELFARE AGENDA to make huge dependent classes of stupid, uneducated, incompetent, and PROFOUNDLY LAZY people who will continue to vote for communists without question.

      Does any of this ring a bell? Sound familiar, look familiar?

      This last election was totally STOLEN by the communists. Georgey Porgey Soros bought the voting machines for the swing states that were programmed to switch most of the votes for Romney to communist 'bamy. That was all that was needed. Now he will proceed to give amnesty to 10's of MILLIONS of 3rd world uneducated, illiterate, dirt poor illegals and the gig is up. PLUS we are just finding out that our filthy representatives sold us down the drain by allowing a LAW to pass and stand that will never allow fighting these stolen elections, and the republicans will be BREAKING the law if they contest the fraud.

      I think these lovely communists who have taken over our country - after all our ancestors' deaths fighting to prevent just this - have brought us to the point of war within our own country. We haven't been left with any other options to get the communists out of the US if we can't contest election fraud. (I still have to confirm this one...). So... It's going to be a long, bumpy ride from now till we win! Watch out for gun control and going through the UN to take weapons from Americans. If this is allowed to happen - everyone will know these sub-humans are deadly serious about destroying real Americans - and America. Can't win a war when the citizenry is armed.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iYY2FQHFwE&feature=related Jethro

    You meant ebberybuddy cant have a fat pension?

    http://www.crowdrise.com/slashthestache

  • http://twitter.com/redpens68 Gary

    Just try and do it a-hole.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Conder/100000478880519 Keith Conder

    Yeah, I liquidated all of my retirement accounts as soon as the economy rebounded enough to bring it back to even. Better to take the early withdrawal hit in my book. GM and Chrysler stockholders (yes that included those who had 401(k) and IRA money invested with them) got a what. 10 cents on the dollar buyout of their stock? In other words the government mandated you get screwed in your retirement account. That was all the writing on the wall I needed to see. Take what you have in those accounts and invest in physical gold and silver. Then, keep it buried somewhere safe. At least those will never be worth nothing. You can always keep adding to it as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Conder/100000478880519 Keith Conder

    Yeah, I liquidated all of my retirement accounts as soon as the economy rebounded enough to bring it back to even. Better to take the early withdrawal hit in my book. GM and Chrysler stockholders (yes that included those who had 401(k) and IRA money invested with them) got a what. 10 cents on the dollar buyout of their stock? In other words the government mandated you get screwed in your retirement account. That was all the writing on the wall I needed to see. Take what you have in those accounts and invest in physical gold and silver. Then, keep it buried somewhere safe. At least those will never be worth nothing. You can always keep adding to it as well.

    • Andrew Marzilli

      Good idea, but you cannot et gold or silver

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Conder/100000478880519 Keith Conder

        You certainly can.

  • Kaitty

    The rich give heavily to political campaigns and to charities some even set up their
    own endowment fund corporations so do not tell me they can not afford it or that it will hurt them in any way. They do not pay their fair share in taxes because they can deduct all the charitable gifts, campaign funds, and whole lot of other items leaving very little taxable income. I'd like to be able to contribute a little bit to the charity of my choice but there is no money for it. Home insurance for a 3-bedroom home is $6,000/year which I can not afford because I need medicines, food, repairs to old home to keep roof overhead and real estate taxes, which tripled, must be paid or I lose the roof & all under it. You are not seeing things clearly or else you are one of those people who will be called upon to cough up a bit more in taxes. If you had stopped the government from ridiculous & wasteful spending it might not have been necessary. Chew on that for a while.

    • Andrew Marzilli

      OK, so when the so called rich decide that enough is enough and quit "working, making money, investing" or whatever you wish to call it and want their fair share of the piece of the pie what is your suggestion then, who is left to tax and take from, any ideas?? print more money maybe, more free stuff, more ebt, food stamps,snap,wic,welfare yada yda yada. Gee, I look forward to paying $10 for a loaf of bread or $20 for a gallon of gas, yes I may be exagerating on the cost of bread and fuel, but sitand think about it.I will be curious as to what your answer is.

      • becky

        No Andrew you really are NOT exaggerating. We are in the same run-up to full-fledged communism and fascism that Hitler brought upon Germany. And has happened in Russia, and China, etc. $10 for a loaf of bread? Try $300. Try 10's of millions of people starving because only the communist elite can afford to eat. But don't ruin the dreams of all these fools who think they will be "fine" if we ONLY tax the rich more. None of these uneducated, unthinking twits can figure out that the "RICH" can pick up their toys and go home - i.e., for people too dumb to figure it out - somewhere that is NOT America. But we will be alright - just as long as we steal from someone else so the useless can have their comfort. Nor do they seem to have the thinking capacity to realize that in any communist nation, the masses that supported it ('bamy) will be left to die because he got what he wanted. Read History? Learn this for themselves? Nahhhhhhhhh.....

        It's just too damned bad those of us who weren't so gullible, ignorant, and flat out stupid will be hurt too. I only wish we could constrain the damage to the ones who voted for this communist - not once but twice!

  • Ohio Tony

    Many of us took advantage of IRAs and 401Ks when they first came out. It was a way to save for retirement by using the buying power of many to leverage the markets to ensure a nest egg for retirement. Many individuals participated in the 401Ks offered by their companies. On of the main reasons both IRAs and 401Ks are so attractive is because taxes on profits made are deferred until one is older and pays a lower tax rate.

    Those of us who worked hard and put money away in these investments are looking to gain in our senior years. But now comes Big Brother who says all your efforts to fund your retirement aren't fair no matter that you played by the rules established.

    • Renellin

      I have both private and public retirements. I was hoping to retire in around six years. It looks like I am going to be hunting my food as well.

  • Pitstop

    Trade them worthless Federal Reserve Notes ($) in for gold and silver then hide it and you will have something. The value will increase instead of decreasing.
    Pitstop

    • Andrew Marzilli

      Good idea, but you can't eat gold or silver either. The precious metal I recommend investing in comes from a combination of lead, copper and brass. With that you can get all the food, gold and silver you can "hunt Down"

  • LK

    MAYBE THE GODFATHERS SHOULD GO AFTER OBOMBA AND GIVE HIM A GOOD LICKIN.

  • gypsy314

    sooner we are all broke maybe Obama will move on to another country to destroy

  • gavinwca

    No surprise I have been expecting this to happen. Bill Clinton wanted a one time tax of 15 % on all retirement funds or to put all retirement funds into social security and give the retire what the goverment decided they needed and save social security with the rest. Fascism at iits best . I am sure Cry Baby Bahner will probably go along with it Republicans are such cowards.

  • SickoftheBS

    If and when the government takes my savings, I will take it back with interest. If the dumb ass occuping the WH wants a f'ing war then bring it on.

  • Shelly

    I don't have a 401k but I object anyway. This is theft, plain & simple, and it's long past time for the people who've used their brains to save their money to stop being forced to subsidize the fools who haven't.

  • TexasHawk

    Yes, they will do it with the guise of giving us an annuity in return. I heard about this four years ago, took half of my IRA and invested elsewhere and haven't put a penny into it since then. How many people will stop contributing to their savings if we now have an untrustworthy Banana Republic system of government. My brother in law is from Peru and his father who is a doctor has had the government seize his life savings twice.

    • Walter Brennen

      best investment right now is 'bullets'.

  • Kaitty

    People need the 'tools" with which to work. Unfortunately their is so much lying, outright deceit, cheating, from the top down throughout the system nothing is working simply and directly and correctly because of all the nit picking complications hooked onto absolutely everything; it is a real miracle that anything gets done. Big business spends a fortune on tax deductible advertising to induce people to spend and buy without having the money to pay for it then they over charge interest on the credit to people who cannot afford to purchase in the first place. The government is crooked as it can get with rare exceptions. Their vote is for sale to the highest bidders. And we have complainers who will always find something to complain about instead of doing something about the mess. Everyone has a voice and has the ability to do their best with sincerity and honesty, but the attitude is wide spread "if they can do it so can I" & so the mess perpetuates. Each must learn all over again ethics, moral behavior, rules we all must live by so we may live harmoniously and well together, but knowing is not the same as following/doing as taught by The Christ in the Bible, which idiots have systematically attempted to remove from our lives in order make what is right and good unacceptable so that money can be made/profited from the encouraged personal illicit desires of depraved peoples. Profiteers do not care how the money is accrued and from where. They destroy anything in their way. The kremlin in the 70's came up with the idea of infiltrating the Muslims and propagating the idea that America is their enemy for which they sent over 9,000 individuals and millions of dollars and they have complete success with time and patience. Evil, the Devil, is pushing in harder and harder and succeeding in America no longer attempting a correct façade but blatant activities put into action not for the legal, hard working American citizens but for the profits of big business. Money buys whatever they want and they want to break the American workers' back so he will accept low wages just for the privilege of having a job. They do not want to pay a well deserved living wage for it limits profits. Bring in more foreigners to take our jobs at lower wages; make it easy for illegals to become legal. Depravity is rampant & succeeding in demoralizing the little people having no where to turn being ridiculed for their beliefs and because they pray with hope for the future. We had the best turn out ever during this last election but it is still not enough due to many illicit attempts at manipulating the vote and all the lying propaganda or innuendos, etc. Everyone has responsibility as a legal citizen to do what they can for our future. More than the empty colorful complaining which some persist in. All the problems must be clearly pointed out, listed, and suggestions for solving them step by step. I would start by insisting on laws which would keep our legislators from accepting any type of gratuity, not even a cup of coffee while in office, and no one runs more than 2-terms in any position.

  • fredh

    I think obama is going after private sector retirement plans, I do not think he will go after government employees pensions. Most gov. employees pensions are very high, I could live like a king on their pensions. I will give up my Social Security of 800 per month, when every gov. employees gives up their pensions. You know this will never happen. If they make bad investments with their pension plans , and they lose money, the private sector must bail them out. If private sector pensions like 401k go bad, we are at a lost and no one cares.

  • Vincenta

    Really, all they have to do is to print more of the phoney paper and be done with it. The real reason is control. They want to control everything.

  • Rob

    it's coming folks....it is certainly coming. the only way to stop now the destruction of the USA as we've known it is revolution. I had thought that the vote on 11/6 would have changed the direction of the country, but no, alot of ignorant people are still seduced by Obama and do not or will not "see" his further agenda.

  • http://www.righthook38.com righthook38

    If you thought the first term was bad, hold on to your hats, because we haven't seen anything yet. Obama will try to nationalize everything. We will have little to no freedom left, and a collapsed economy by the time he's done with us. I'm thinking a 3rd term isn't out of the question at this point. That's scary.

  • Tom

    As un-American as this sounds, I like the idea some people have: Investing in tangible gold and silver bullion, which they are keeping in their possession. Not gold or silver stocks. Not in futures. No paper. Just real, tangible, cold, hard, honest gold and silver coins and bars, which they keep hidden is safe places only they know about and have access to.

    Of course, Obama will say it's selfish for people to want to keep what they worked for and earned. Oh well...

  • IvyMoon2

    This is going all over the web and, unfortunately, it is believable, but the article is two years old. Check it out. Click the NRC link.

  • DanW

    The central planning committee has the utmost interest in handling your needs citizen. We will control your retirement. LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC.

  • Laurence Almand

    This is yet another scheme by the Socialists to steal the money other people have earned. Well, the voters elected the stupid incompetent politicians like Obummer, so they should not complain. Let's hope the courts can block Obama until 2016, so he cannot do to much more damage than he has already done.

  • RedMeatState

    We already have a nationalized "retirement" system: Social Security. Of course, financially its a wicked failure and the government's been looting it and issuing IOU's since 1964.

    I believe the biggest part of the problem is the Congress exempts itself from the laws that it writes upon the rest of us; federal government has jumped far outside it's Constitutional boundaries of it's authority; and there is absolutely no accountability on the part of elected officials to adhere to any standards of service OR be penalized for malfeasance!!

    So I'm suggesting a Referendum among the States for a Constitutional Amendment to be processed by petition. We could easily accomplish this. But check it out; it's an Enforcement Provision for the Constitution, keeps Elected and appointed Officials in line, removes them from office when they're not, and would return Government operations to sanity and responsibility.

    Amendment 28:

    "Congress shall not be exempt from any law that it passes: Congress
    shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that
    does not apply equally to Senators or Representatives; and Congress shall
    make no law that applies to Senators or Representatives that does not
    apply equally to the citizens of the

    United States. It is henceforth established retroactively to all
    laws previously passed by the Congress and signed by the Executive or passed by lawful majority if vetoed by the Executive." "

    “It shall be Unlawful for any government official: appointed, elected, or hired, to use the power of their Office for personal gain.”

    "Congressmen and Senators MUST FORFEIT all remaining funds in
    their Campaign Chests to the U.S. Treasury for Public Use at the end of any political campaign."

    "Congress shall write no law that does not meet Constitutional Muster: It must first be established that it is within the Scope of Authority clearly stated in Article I of the United States Constitution before the Congress can write Law. All Laws not listed in the Federal Registry are immediately repealed, null and void. All Laws found to be outside the Scope of Authority of the Congress are immediately repealed, null and void. Any law or regulation written by any Governmental Agency shall be immediately null and void, as only the Congress has any authority to write Laws or Regulations, except for agencies that may write regulations for strict use within their own departments, and have no context for any persons outside those departments."

    "All Elected and Appointed Officials in their capacity for office must maintain high ethical standards in their personal life. Any infractions shall be cause for removal and dismissal from said office. This includes, but is not limited to: Drunken driving, drug use, personal
    indiscretions, philandering, bad checks and fiscal irresponsibility in their personal lives; and pursuant to the laws and standards of the communities in which they live and serve. All Elected and Appointed Officials shall be given mandatory drug tests 3 times yearly and shall consist of blood, urine, and hair analysis."

    "A Citizens Group shall be established to oversee and enforce the rules of this Amendment. They shall be selected from their separate states and shall be comprised of 5 members from each State. They shall meet regularly in their home State and review the activities and actions of their elected and appointed officials and receive remuneration in the form of Exempt Tax Status and a 5% share of the campaign chests, at their highest balance, of serving officials, during their selected terms. They shall
    have the power to review and recommend impeachment and removal from office any
    elected or appointed official that fail to meet the standards of conduct established by this Amendment."

    This Amendment reserves and reaffirms the first 10 Amendments in their original intent, meaning and scope, as clear prohibitions against Government Powers and not prohibitions against the States or the People.

  • Vancouver1941

    To late Obama. I closed my 401K in late 2011. Since when a person turns 70 1/2 you have to do something so I closed it out. It wasen't that much left but since this government is going after everything and anything it is NOT YOUR'S but mine.I paid no age penalty and just the federal and state taxes.No extra tax/taxes. I earned that money from working for almost 34 years and paid taxes and never collected entitlements or freebies of any kind EVER.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.hiscomm Jeff Hiscomm

    With all this talk bout communists, it brings to mind to a dusty old session of the 88th congress on Jan 10th 1963. The actual 45 cold war communist goals for the United States was actually read into the the congressional record that day. You wont hear our leaders ever refer to them ..to much exposure to them. As you read these you'll notice they have almost all been achieved. And you'll also notice they could be or are the main platform of the Democratic party, everything they support are in those goals from US nuclear disarmament to "Separation of Church and State"!

    Communist Goals That
    was entered into the Congressional record on January 10, 1963
    Listed are the Stated
    Communist Social Goals for the Overthrow of the United States Of
    America!

    Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix,
    pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

    Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A.
    S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday,
    January 10, 1963 .

    Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De
    Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and
    until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to
    the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in
    America.

    At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD,
    under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist
    Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked
    Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

    [From "The Naked
    Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

    1. U.S. acceptance of
    coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2. U.S. willingness to
    capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3. Develop the
    illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a
    demonstration of moral strength.

    4. Permit free trade
    between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and
    regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of
    long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    6. Provide American
    aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7. Grant recognition
    of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    8. Set up East and
    West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in
    1955 to settle the German question by free elections under
    supervision of the U.N.

    9. Prolong the
    conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed
    to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10. Allow all Soviet
    satellites individual representation in the U.N.

    11. Promote the U.N.
    as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand
    that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent
    armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken
    over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers
    compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

    12. Resist any attempt
    to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13. Do away with all
    loyalty oaths.

    14. Continue giving
    Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

    15. Capture one or
    both of the political parties in the United States.

    16. Use technical
    decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by
    claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17. Get control of the
    schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current
    Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of
    teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of
    all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots
    to foment public protests against programs or organizations which
    are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the
    press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing,
    policy-making positions.

    21. Gain control of
    key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue
    discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic
    expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate
    all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless,
    awkward and meaningless forms."

    23. Control art
    critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote
    ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

    24. Eliminate all laws
    governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a
    violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down
    cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and
    obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present
    homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural,
    healthy."

    27. Infiltrate the
    churches and replace revealed religion with "social"
    religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
    intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious
    crutch."

    28. Eliminate prayer
    or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground
    that it violates the principle of "separation of church and
    state."

    29. Discredit the
    American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out
    of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between
    nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the
    American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who
    had no concern for the "common man."

    31. Belittle all forms
    of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history
    on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big
    picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the
    Communists took over.

    32. Support any
    socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the
    culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health
    clinics, etc.

    33. Eliminate all laws
    or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist
    apparatus.

    34. Eliminate the
    House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35. Discredit and
    eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36. Infiltrate and
    gain control of more unions.

    37. Infiltrate and
    gain control of big business.

    38. Transfer some of
    the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all
    behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but
    psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

    39. Dominate the
    psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of
    gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40. Discredit the
    family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41. Emphasize the need
    to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
    Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to
    suppressive influence of parents.

    42. Create the
    impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of
    the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups
    should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve
    economic, political or social problems.

    43. Overthrow all
    colonial governments before native populations are ready for
    self-government.

    44. Internationalize
    the Panama Canal.

    45. Repeal the
    Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World
    Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the
    World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

  • Walter Brennen

    The cancer has metastasized , we saw that in the last election.

    • Raymond

      You're right.