The Obamacare-Medicare Noose And Grandma’s Neck

Raising the age of Medicare eligibility seems like a no-brainer. And if we raise the age to a hundred it might work. We are headed toward a “fiscal cliff” that is really a minor first fall in the approaching rapids hurling toward the Niagara of Economic Deluge. So increasing the age for Medicare from 65 to 67 seems like a small step. But thanks to Obamacare, it may be no step at all. Between Obamacare and Medicare we are in a noose that tightens no matter what you do.

Yesterday, NPR ran a story that was, I’m sure, mostly liberal spin designed to discourage any change in the insolvent status quo. Still, it showed the diabolical trap we are snared in, especially with Obamacare.

Possible Problem: Removing the Healthy From an Insurance Pool

Medicare is only partly government handout. It is also a really bad insurance service—bad because no private company could stay solvent on its business model. But to that extent, what happens when all the 65- and 66-year-olds are no longer paying in? On average, these people are probably the healthiest in the pool. So when they leave, the finances get even worse. Either premiums go up on aged voters, or even more “general revenue” gets transferred in to keep it afloat.

Now since this is NPR, they may be getting biased information. Maybe raising the age will produce a slight economic advantage. But it won’t be much, and it shows how a government program has trained us all to live in a way that is heading for disaster.

The Real Problem: Obamacare Means the Private Sector is MIA

What was said several times in the radio report is that, if one sector of the economy doesn’t pay for Medicare, than the costs “just” get transferred to another part.

“Yes,” I shouted at my dashboard. “It should be handled in the private sector.”

What private sector?

Obamacare has taken over the doctor’s office and it is going to push us all into insurance schemes that have been molded by government regulations. And one of those regulations is No Age-ism Allowed. You must not “discriminate” against the elderly by demanding a higher premium from them even though you know their costs are going to be higher than your other customers.

So now that we’re facing the fiscal cliff, and want to try to unwind, Obamacare is there to make sure we don’t take even modest steps. We have been set up so that we get squeezed no matter what we do.

We Need to Face the Music

I think we need to try to change the age to seventies and just let Obamacare cause more pain. Hopefully, that will make it easier to repeal. The fact is Medicare is far far worse off than NPR will admit.

What will happen when the real implosion comes? What will the government try? I am confident that among the people who never let an emergency go to waste, there is already a plan.

We can’t have the elderly suffer for lack of funds, but we can euthanize them as part of a “rational” government policy. It is coming. You just wait.

Comments

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

    Obama wants to kill your Grandma! Oh my gawd, Obama wants to kill your Grandma!!!

    • jag

      Thanks for your moment of liberal compassion. I am 77 and have been paying into all social systems since age 17. I served in Korea and other scenic turf in order for hemorrhoids such as you to have freedom to be stupid. I am retired following 28 years military service for you. Now, you laugh and shake your Nazi finger at me. What have you done for America? Remember this puck.....Your Muslim daddy that hangs out in DC and his socialist buddies do not give a damn about your sorry azz.

      Semper Fi

      • Screeminmeeme

        jag...Excellent! And you are spot on.

        Like all leftists, JD is the typical useful idiot serving his Marxist god. These people have never grown up.

        Thank you much for your many years of service to our country....and for speaking truth to the clueless.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          "Like all leftists...these people..."

          Ah, yes. The words of one whose understanding of the world is based on nothing but stereotypes and prejudice.

        • Phillip_in_TX

          Apparently, you are suffering from "Cranial Rectal Inversion." I don't believe "Obamacare" covers that. You may want to find a good plumber.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

        What have I done for America? Paid those exact same contributions, educated your kids, worked for two Air Force bases, an Army base, and the Corps of Engineers. Do the world another favor and don't presume to be superior to me or anyone else. Especially if you are as poorly informed as your angry rant indicates.

        • jag

          Good job Jimbo....you defended our Country from the comfort your job and home. No doubt myself and others were paying your salary and perks, or did you donate all this suffrage? Our Constitution and freedoms are a direct result of your desk-front paperwork combat.

          You will be in a body bag or on your communist buddy's "Death Train" as sure as we Patriots. Think about this ......we are paying for our own demise with taxes.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          Desk? Home? Paperwork? You are just making things up. Stereotypes and prejudices. You don't know jack.

          (and by the way, "patriot" - suffrage means the right to vote)

        • afenster

          jim - what exactly do you see happening with Obamacare? If everyone is wrong, then what do you think is the truth.I never actually hear a liberal who explains what is it in and what you think you will be getting.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          You think someone's going to explain Obamacare in a forum post to you?

          Why don't you actually go look for analyses of it? And I mean more than Fox News and The Heritage Foundation.

        • [email protected]

          military service is a socialist system so is:
          military medical services
          so are the military pensions
          so is the interstate highway system
          the profit for the MIC is corporate welfare
          you whole life has been on a form of welfare and socialism cradle to grave
          the Corp of Engineers is a socialist system of subsidizing people in endangered areas that require government largess rather than deal with private solutions for those areas with private insurance - CoE was essentially a gigantic welfare system
          wake up and get over the word............ socialism!

        • Screeminmeeme

          You need to do some reading about socialism/marxism/communism...all degrees of the same failed system.

        • Screeminmeeme

          JD...
          Any presumptions of superiority can be seen in your comments, not jag's. According to you, everyone not kowtowing to leftist policy is deemed poorly informed and as for hatred on this website.....most of it comes from liberals like you who despise conservatism and Christianity.

        • Cathy

          So you worked for two Air Force bases, an Army base, and the Corps of Engineers. You must have been a government employee, and if so, you were living off the taxpayers. You are a typical liberal looking down your nose at someone who served in the military. You better wake up, boy, because without the military you and your ilk could be speaking German or Japanese. Or maybe yet, you will be speaking Farsi!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          Wrong again, a contractor from your beloved private sector. Of course to you I'm "a typical liberal" because that's the only way you imagine anyone who disagrees with you.

          I don't deny having contracts that were the result of public money, but I'm not the one who made a career of it and then sneers at others as "hemmorhoids" on society. How can you possibly read all the name calling and all the uses of stupid, idiotic, Nazi, and lazy in these comments and then suggest that looking down your nose at someone is typical of "liberals?" Are you really that blind to your own hypocrisy?

      • grassroot

        Exactly. being liberal means to stick to your mantra, religion no matter what.
        Facts and consequences mean nothing. Until it affects you personally.
        And ,atbe not even then, It will be the repubs. fault.

        • Phillip_in_TX

          When it does affect him personally, he will stand around waiting for someone else to do something about it.

      • elaine connelly

        Jag: I honor you sir, for your years of service. I agree with you. I am 69 and am sick and tired of the disrespect shown by generation Y and Z. Most of them are really stupid and expect to get a good grade in College, simply because they show up. Their lack of grammar is appalling. Most of them are quite arrogant, due to idiotic parents who catered to their every whim. Luckily 3 of my great grandkids have proper parents. I have 2 greatgrands that have Obozo fans for parents. It saddens me that they are that stupid.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          That's right, everybody's kids are lazy and stupid...except yours. And anyone who disagrees with your politics is stupid. Good thing you are here to lecture everyone on being respectful.

          (by the way, grammar girl, "college" is not capitalized)

        • Phillip_in_TX

          I blame it all on the "microwave." Before the microwave, people had patience. You want hot water, place a pan filled with water on the stove, and wait for it to heat. You want your meal, you had to prepare it, then cook it.

          Now, we have "the microwave mentality." The younger generation wants EVERYTHING in 5 minutes or less. They are still in their teens and want what their parents have NOW. They do not realize that it took their parents 20, 30, 40 years or more to get what they have. They "exist" therefore they are "entitled" to everything and have to do nothing for it.

      • [email protected]

        Please you got a paycheck and a government guaranteed pension - no different than a postal worker - service in a system that exports murder worldwide is not admirable - the usa MIC has been creating bad guys for 70 years - endless action / reaction - with people like you being promoted into believing it is a viable business model

        the republicans and lyin ryan want to raise the fees for Medicare $500 /month and restrict the terms of coverage check AARP - making a huge number of people unable to make it -

        start thinking and stop telling us what you did it doesnt matter!

        • Cathy

          You are absolutely lying. No one is going to raise Medicare $500 a month except perhaps Obama and the lying Democrats.

        • [email protected]

          read the ryan plan - there is video on the $500 mo -$6,000 a year - the republicans and various CEO's are in Washington promoting the SS and Medicare cuts - try looking - its all there

      • aryton senna

        Hi jag

        You are certainly correct!

        Fortunately, after 8.5 years active (4.5 as a LCDR), my VietNam era experience was limited to the officers' club beach on Coronado.

        Better, I was able to retire at age 58 and become an expat in 2003.

    • Screeminmeeme

      Jim David.....Do us all a favor and grow up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

        I'm probably older than you are. My favor to you would be to convince you that you are being fed paranoia, misinformation, and hatred by this website and your peers. But you are too deeply mired in it to hear me.

        • Screeminmeeme

          JD.....You on medicare too?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          You accept medicare? I guess socialized medicine is just fine when you benefit, huh? Hypocrite.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          Jim you don't understand, they paid taxes. They don't believe anyone but them pays taxes, so the idea that anyone else should benefit from the government is just unbelievable.

        • [email protected]

          give it to em! right on

        • http://www.facebook.com/charles.codling.5 Charles Codling

          Being older OBVIOUSLY in your case, does not make you grown up. I've worked all my life, paid taxes, Social Security, owned a business & worried & worked so others could be secure & employed. None of that makes me 'entitled'!! Get off your name-calling, generalized charicterizations! They show you to be biased & complacent with your single-sided view of reality.

    • GramE

      When someone makes a comment that is incredibly crude and thoughtless I've often looked at past comments on Disqus. You really have a problem with anger and disdane for your fellow man. I'm sorry for you, and can only hope something good comes into your life to change your bitterness. (Wow, I just sounded like someone from Dickens Christmas Carol.)

      • Screeminmeeme

        You nailed it. :)

      • GetOutOfTheBubble

        Haha people who come to godfatherpolitics criticizing disdain for your fellow man? What website do you people imagine you are on? "Puppies and kittens and the free market?"

        Let's see, top story right now equates consensual homosexual activity with pedophilia.

        Gary Demars "Of Course a Majority of Americans Support Raising Taxes on Top Earners" equates a majority of Americans with hungry foxes and sheep.

        Winning comments from that post include such quotes as:

        DontTreadOnMe11: "The fact that the majority of people would vote to tax the wealthy is nothing but pure envy and greed on their part." "Oh, and you may as well throw laziness into the mix."

        With much applause given to that comment of course.

        From Gary Demar's "Have We reached The ...":

        "The fact that 51 percent of the voters in America see the State as their parent"

        This place is all about disdain for Americans and what they think.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

        I freely admit that I am taking out some frustrations on this website. They don't represent my demeanor in real life, but seriously, have you not read the rest of the comments on this website?!? Surely you're not completely desensitized to what horrible things are being said.

    • kysteelgirl

      ...and yours

  • Doodlebug

    Yes and it was the dummicrat party featuring ads against Romney showing RYAN pushing granny over the cliff and look who turns out to be the one who will do it. I don't know why the republicans always bow and cater to the dummicrats. Romney let obummer push him around instead of standing up and fighting. Congress holds the purse strings and should either MAKE obummer put his stupid obummercare on the bargaining table now or refuse to fund the damn thing.

    • notislam

      They bow and cater because they are ONE BIG PARTY that trades who is in office but they are in it for one reason - to get all they can from the taxpayers. Michael Savage has gone over this for years. This is why we need a 3rd party (actually a new second party) and that's why THE TEA PARTY is here. I do not trust these career politicos.

  • GetOutOfTheBubble

    Everything doesn't belong in the private sector, regardless of how loudly you yell at your dashboard.

    • PissedoffVet

      Maybe so but the government needs to stay out of the private sector so we can keep this country afloat because at the rate the government is destroying the private sector there will be no one left to keep us afloat.

    • jill

      What the hell has the goverment run ever that has not been run into bankrupsy? How do you people have so much faith that what always is a failure will finally work?

    • SJvet

      Actually, except for those very few things enumerated in the Constitution, everything else does belong in the private sector, where profits must be made for it to survive.

    • Elleryqueen

      You can bet your bippee obamahealthlesscare certainly isn't the answer now or ever.

    • ladyceo

      And everything does not belong in the government either, esp. a mandate to purchase health insurance!

      • GetOutOfTheBubble

        "And everything does not belong in the government either" I agree completely, as do most Americans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pmcconathy1 Phil McConathy

    Obamacare WILL end up killing everyone over 65 whenever the unelected IPAB bureaucrats decide you are no longer a worthwhile individual to America. If they decide you WON'T get the needed medical treatment or device you are told to take the pill and suffer in peace. This is a FACT and outcome of this law. It was designed to eliminate the elderly to reduce costs. There a many Obama supporters who will live to see this happen to THEM as well as to us who voted against him.

    • agrneydgrl

      I must add the people with disabilities to you comment.

      • Screeminmeeme

        Right.

      • http://www.facebook.com/NessaEllenesse Linda Dawson

        or any one one with a condition that requires them to be on meds the rest of their life.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P7QJL2HOVYQDHNRABFXECQLCFE Dan

          Does that include drug addicts?

    • Screeminmeeme

      PHIL...You are absolutely right.

    • LESNC

      Not everyone, politicans have exempted themselves.

    • GetOutOfTheBubble

      Just like our guns are going to be taken away and Obama is from Kenya and a secret Muslim.

      Your delusions are not facts no matter how much you obsess about them.

      • oleinwi

        Then prove it with counter facts libtard! You liberals love to spew we are delusional, but offer no counter argument based in facts. Here's a fact, Obama has already stated they intend to sign on to UN Small Arms ban, he has stated he wants to re-institute the "assault rifle" ban (So, how does one define "assault rifle"?). Explain to us again how Obama and the rest of you tards don't intend to take our guns?...yeah, hard to dispute these actual FACTS.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          Nothing about signing onto the UN small arms treaty means that guns will be taken away. I can't prove that won't happen. Do you need an introduction to logic to understand why?

        • Matt39

          Easy to tell bubble is a liberal.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          Easy to tell you're a simple thinker.

        • danimal

          and easier to tell that you are a non-thinker

        • silverscribbler

          The concept of being stripped of weapons is real, regardless of how you want to gloss it, and the military has already had practice at it. They did it after Katrina--broke into people's houses and took any weapons they had. The government will use any sort of "national emergency" and simply confiscate weapons and shoot you if your refuse to surrender them. However, there is something far more insidious going on, and I know you won't believe it because I can't provide you with the name of the location or organization. So I'll waste a little time telling you what I know. You can believe it or not. Intelligent people will. In 2009 I was a State delegate to the Continental Congress 2009, a convening of delegates from all 50 states in St. Charles, Illinois for 11 breathless days. (You can verify that event by looking up http://Articlesoffreedom.org). You can also google the Continental Congress 2009. It was actually broadcast world wide via the internet, but, of course, received no attention from the corrupt media.
          We spent 11 days listenting to guest speakers who were on the inside of their respective issues. After the presentations, we worked in groups, discussing the violations of various parts of the Constitution and coming up with a plan to do something about it. I was on the Privacy Committee, working specifically with the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments. A primary topic of discussion was the red-light camaras and the collection of biometric data with out your knowledge. A gentleman was there--not specifically on our committee--but a delegate from another state, waiting patiently to give us his information. When his turn came, his words were paralizing. He worked (an may still) for an organization that accumulates all the biometric data on every American citizen. He assured us that fingerprints for every many, woman and child in this country are preserved on tapes along with other data. The actual name of the owner of that information is on another tape. At a touch of a button, the information can be combined. He could not give us the name of the organization, but he did tell us that he know about it because he was the one who had written the program. The full tapes are sent by plane to some location in Europe on a regular basis.
          The data is supposed to be erased every seven years, with one exception. All date coded "asylum" is preserved forever. And every person in the US is coded Asylum. A person with mental illness of any kind--including chronic depression--cannot buy a gun. With the touch of a button, every man, woman and child in this country can be so labeled; guns can thus be "legally confiscated" and it would be impossible to by any additional guns or amnunition. The delegate who gave us this information said he removed his own name from the database three times, and every time it was back within a few months. He looked at our list of orgnizations that keep the red-light data and said that the company was not listed. And if you try to find out from the government, they will say they have no such list--because they don't . A private, top secret company is doing this.
          Make what you want of it. We were absolutely convinced that he was telling us the truth. Indeed, he was there to help fight this corrupt government and knew that he had information that he thought we at least needed to be aware of. He had no reason to lie. As for me, I have no doubt that at any moment, the government has the means of shutting off American access to firearms.

        • KarenWI

          Let him go.......he will suffer someday if bo isn't stopped and that's what he voted for so -- he made his bed and will lie (and maybe die) in it - as my grandma used to say. Time will tell (another good one from grandma)

        • StephenFR

          Take a look at the history of our government over the past 100 years. The liberals come up with an idea. It is always in the name of "fairness". The conservatives say no because of the consequences. Eventually it becomes law. Eventually what the conservatives predict comes to pass. Then the liberals say it was the conservatives fault. Case in point, the Community Reinvestment act was predicted to cause a massive bubble in the housing market due to sub-par mortgages which would be sold as securities and eventually cause a stock market crash. That was during Carter and it came to pass under Bush, just as predicted. But hey, that must be Bush's fault. Forget that it was predicted in the late 1970's and took almost 30 years to materialize.

          Do you remember during the Clinton administration that there was a health care bill, pushed hard by Hillary that ended up going nowhere? Remember the argument. It would bankrupt the country. So now we have a health care bill and it will do exactly as the conservatives stated, it will bankrupt the country. There are also a lot of other predictions such as death panels, which originally were thoroughly refuted, but now that we see the legislation have in fact been provisioned in to the law. Yes, there are provisions in the law that state that a nameless, bureaucratic will determine what healthcare you can have, not you, not your doctor, but a bureaucratic.

          You need to go back and look at the various legislation of the past 100 years, the arguments for and against, the predictions of the consequences and the actual consequences that have resulted. What you will find is the liberal argument has always been "fairness" and the consequences have always been bad, except of course for those few in the power elite of the liberal party.

          Perfect point is Obama himself. When he started to run for President he was up to his eyeballs in debt. Now he is among the 1% that he decries against. How, may I ask, is it possible to make that kind of money as the President? It is not supposed to be possible. Read the Constitution. He should not have been able to make that kind of money as a public servant.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          What I find is that I don't limit my thinking to dichotomous ideologies, and so I don't see things as being as simple as that.

          "How, may I ask, is it possible to make that kind of money as the President?" Because he's one of the most famous people in the world and he's written books. Pretty simple answer.

          "Yes, there are provisions in the law that state that a nameless, bureaucratic will determine what healthcare you can have, not you, not your doctor, but a bureaucratic." Show me. I don't believe you.

        • StephenFR

          You asked for proof and I told you where to find it. It is really easy. Just go do the research. I am not going to do the work for you. I have my own work to do.
          You honestly believe that Obama became so rich because of the book he wrote? Seriously? I happen to know Robin Cook. He has written many more books than Obama as well has having had some of them made into very successful movies and he is no where near as wealthy as Obama. My G*d your ignorant.

        • Grandma Jo

          Bubble head is more like it. Being a libatard is a mental disorder. The
          people who voted for Obama have voted away their liberty and freedom and doomed their children and grandchildren to a life time of
          serfdom. How stupid is that!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          Getoutofthebubble: "Show me the provisions..."

          Grandma Jo: "uh, you're stupid"

          So much for showing anything other than an inability to reason effectively.

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          Typical lib response. call the enemy names.

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          AMEN

        • Patriot

          Just look look for the references to the IPAB - it is a bureau comprised of 15 members who will decide whether or not your prescribed care: stent, heart surgery, chemo, etc., is financial feasible. In other words, if you are too ill and your quality of life is not what the IPAB thinks it should be, you will be denied treatment because it is too expensive. That also includes the folks who think they will be covered because of pre-existing conditions, as well as folks with disabilities. Read the horrible 2700 page OWEbamaTAX, GetOutOfTheBubble - I did - every word of it.

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          He doesn't need to read anything, his king has spoken

        • KarenWI

          Bubblebrain, Look at the 2000+ page document. It's hard to read but a lot of it is clear. I bet you haven't even looked at the document itself, but are just listening to the media propaganda channels.

        • http://twitter.com/jandinkins Jan Dinkins

          Two or three books that are not selling like hot potatoes. In fact, his books have been placed in various embassies...at a cost to the tax payer!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1407910869 Gaye Ellis

          The panel was created in the stimulus bill. That is why the communists who passed it could say that there were no death panels in the bill:
          http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/death_panel_is_not_in_the_bill.html

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          Yes sir king obama. what ever you say king obama

        • Babycatcher

          And he,s milking it for all it's worth. :(

        • Retired Chief Petty Officer

          The most egregious bad effect was the 17th Amendment. The power of the states to offset the tendency to greater power by the federal government was completely lost when the people rather than the legislatures or governors selected the senators. We no have recourse until such time as that amendment is rescinded, and for the following six years while the populists are replaced with state appointed Senators.

        • johnco

          And don't forget Clinton expanded on the Community Reinvestment Act big time. But of course it is still all Bush's fault.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          Yes, most of them probably do.

        • Ariviste

          Do you need an introduction to logic to understand why it will?

        • CaroRay

          Congress has to approve that and they won't!

        • danimal

          Logic is a subject you should avoid... is that a kool-ade stain on your upper lip?

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          What is it you need to make you understand?

      • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

        Bottom line-They will get my Gun's AFTER they pry them from my DEAD Hands !!

        • Phillip_in_TX

          And, that will only happen after the barrel has melted down.

        • Teresa

          Oh Robert, don't give them your gun....give them your bullets.

      • freedomringsforall

        People like you are the reason the world renowned democrat political consultant James Carville says 80% of all democrats in the United States are ignorant.

        This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions,are being influenced and/or run by Fabians, Marxist, commie, fascist, dictatorial,
        morons.

        I am sure that there are many who would call me a moron for lumping those philosophies together but I in return would infer they ought to look in the mirror and then think about what all those philosophies have wrought on the
        earth and when all is said and done in history they have all wrought exactly the same in the end; slaughter, famine, and despair.

        We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist coddling bunch of scum out of power in these United States.

        Then we need to work our tails off to get all of our freedoms and rights restored.

        We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and
        less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings.

        We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to
        every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          Haha I'm sure James Carville believes the nonsense Phil was saying is true. I'm really worried about how he would view my opinion of Phil's comment, let me tell ya.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

          At this pont, it will not work without extreme hardship for all. We might as well secede now and restore these values within the New Republic of Texas. The hardships are now upon us.

      • Phillip_in_TX

        I see your tanker load of Kool Aid arrived just in time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/shirley.ford.92 Shirley Ford

        did you say SECRET MUSLIM?????since when was it a secret???wake up....

      • bs7sden

        Phil, You are certainly 'letting your mockingbird mouth spill the diatribe of the 'useful' idiots. No intellectual interference with your comments!

      • KarenWI

        Bubblehead, You lost, too, you just don't know it YET.

      • http://twitter.com/jandinkins Jan Dinkins

        From where do you get your " facts" ? My facts are more factual than the ones you proclaim with no backing what-so-ever.

      • lara

        you will are one of the slow leanerss who will be shocked to see it happen...wake up sheep

      • http://twitter.com/psffur Peter Scott Furman

        The facts are there and were there even before the American Dream became the American Nightmare!

        The fact that you have learned Nothing from the Bolshevik Revolution,Nazi Germany,the "ethnic cleansing that keeps being reborn,the religious extremist who cuts people's heads off,tortures them,works them to death and tests wmd's on them because an organized,motivated group of mass murderer's are Never confronted,held accountable by the sheep who simply cannot comprehend the evil men/women do!

        There is always a crisis,a war,famine,religious fanaticism and always has been. One can argue that religion has killed more people,caused more suffering,been more divisive than anything else and all in the name of one G-D or another as if that were true!

        Obama rose as a man who attended an extremist Church for more than 20 years! The Reverend Wright made a career "G-D damn America","America "deserved 9/11","America must be torn down" as Obama sat there and soaked in every word! Obama was/is a "neighborhood Organizer prone to graft,extortion,racial bigotry and division to get his way.

        Obama is the least known President in terms of background,associations,core beliefs and willingness to do anything,everything to "feed" his Narcissism,his megalomania,his arguably sociopaths needs and his ability and willingness to "lie",pervert anything,everything he chooses.

        He is just another "fire and brimstone"Preacher"who hit the "Tech bubble",then 9/11,the perfect "fall guy" the perfect storm, which,in fact was Bill Clinton's "gift to America after 8 years of scandal and "skirt chasing! Terrorism rose from infancy to accomplished killers and murderers. who came upon the perfect storm of the "tech" bubble" bursting to a failing economy,to a morally bankrupt country then the worst attack on American soil ever. Pearl Harbor was bad but 9/11 changed America forever!

        America's economy shut down,the world's economies were frozen.the Twin Towers were rubble,fear,anger,worse than the Kennedy murders and the Johnson formation of social programs we could not afford.social programs that were stolen from the people who supported them as the entire system from Checks and Balances to a vibrant economy were things of the past!

        The economy of any nation is what drives everything from jobs,to independence,to Freedom,to Democracy,to the American Dream,to defending oneself all backed by an economy our leaders failed to address asour economy was exported elsewhere.

        So,the President who was on the bridge for the decond worst economy in our history who lied,who failed,who used racism and class warfare as policy is still there!

        The electoral system,the political system the Legislative,Judicial and executive branches failing to do what they are sworn to do,elected to do,didn't do it.

        The Constitution is "compost",the American Dream is the American Nightmare,we have redistribution of income,of services and socialized healthcare in a Democracy where the vast majority didn't want Obamacare.

        We are bankrupt,we are $16 trillion in debt,the debt Obama swore he would halve in his first term but actually increased by 60%,we have 47 million on food stamps,23 million+ unemployed,many more under employed as the Alchemists turned the Golden years to "lead"

        Now that's what I call total failure unless you like thousands of regulations,hundreds of executive orders,circumvention of the Constitution as unelected Czars and advisers take orders only from Obama,report only to Obama which sure ain't the Democratic process.

        I leave you with the fact that the Constitution,if nothing else.was written to "Limit Government" not to be a tool's tool for Socialism,tyranny,totalitarianism,Fascism,Communism,any ism you choose which will destroy what worked for 200+ years!!

        Even a schm-ck like yhouPhil can't be this ignorant offensive!! and empty in the head and heart!

      • gooseroot

        obama was born in the Coastal Province General Hospital in Mombawa British Protectorate of Kenya!

      • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

        Spoken like a true obama zombie

    • Granpa David

      I am not sure that age 65 will matter. I saw a movie where at birth they plant a gadget in your palm and at age 30 it starts flashing and it is time for you to go to "Sanctuary".

      Peter Ustinoff had escaped and lived in the ruins. Our country is close to that divided into the progressives and the old Peter Ustioffs (the good guy). All books telling about the old world were destroyed but Ustinoff had the old libraries in his world. Sound familiar?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

        This will soon be the truth. Sort of a self-fulfiling prophecy.

      • RedMeatState

        Logan's Run, circa 1976

      • beagal

        "Logan's Run"

    • We The People

      It is MORE likely to eliminate older more CONSERVATIVE voters, so the effect of the indoctrination of our children and youth can accelerate.

      • CaroRay

        Just change your party to democrat and vote republican.

    • JJM123

      If you are no longer productive (in the determination of the system) TOUGH LUCK. So how will BO's TAKERS be determined? As useful votes or as useless fools?

    • Friscolady

      My mother is 97. That "unelected IPAB bureaucrat" better hope I do not know their name when they decide my mother is no longer "a worthwhile individual to America".

    • Progressive Republican

      Everything you've complained about was authored by Rethuglicons. If you don't like what they came up with and you voted for them, blame yourself.

  • DandBA

    I am so sick of the Republicans attitude of "COMPROMISE" when it comes to working with the Commucrats. No matter what the GOP does they are going to be the villain in whatever eventually is done about the fiscal cliff, Medicare, Obamacare. Since the Communists feel they now OWN US, they are going to continually push to make us into a Communist country. Just thinking about Obama and his Communist crew makes me physically ill. Obama is determined to punish America for being a free country of great success. He is a racist of the highest order and his hatred toward white people is overwhelmingly visible. Every word out of his mouth is a lie which is one of his problems, (for us that is) because he is such an accomplished liar, he doesn't even recognize lies as they fly out of his mouth. We are really in a bad way in this country. Things are so bad that even the Russian newspaper, Pravda, called Obama a Communist, but none of the GOP in Congress have the courage to bluntly say that to his face.

    • Screeminmeeme

      DandBA......Like you I'm sick of the impotence of the Republicans in Congress.
      Too bad there's no Viagra they could take to cure the problem.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

        Hey, we agree! I'm sick of them too. Let's get them out.

    • Cathy

      One Russian newspaper said that the illiterate Americans re-elected Obama. How right they were.But all the blacks, Latinos and single women who voted him into office will suffer along with the rest of us. Actually, we may be better off as many of us are preparing for the worst.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

        It is so difficult to prepare for the absolute worst case scenario, but it is coming.

      • aryton senna

        Actually, Pravda - THE Russian Newspaper!

  • http://www.monster-island.net/ kushibo

    "The Real Problem: Obamacare Means the Private Sector is MIA"

    Obamacare requires people who can afford it, or their employer, to buy health insurance, which in the vast majority of cases is PRIVATE health insurance. Obamacare is a boon to the private insurance market, even if they have to step up and stop denying people on pre-existing conditions. The exchanges allows PRIVATE insurers a wider field in which to offer innovative products.

    • ladyceo

      Not for long, kush!

    • oleinwi

      WRONG! Oh at first...but, those insurers are going to be forced to take anyone and everyone at a fixed reimbursement level, the way it is currently constructed, it is 100% guaranteed to collapse the private insurance industry, not at first, but eventually they will simply not be able to afford to exist, and that is by design, so that eventually EVERYONE will be forced on Gov't controlled insurance. Get it now?!

  • McClain

    Obamacare should be made illegal by the supreme court as it is illegal for the President to be involved in people lives in this way.just my opinion,however I believe I am right.does anyone else have an opinion along this same line?

    • GetOutOfTheBubble

      A bunch of people do, and they're wrong, according to the Supreme Court.

      • oleinwi

        WELL, if the Supreme Court says it, we MUST be wrong then! Puh-leez. Try again libtard!

        • GetOutOfTheBUbble

          Just reminding you that their opinion matters much more than yours. Sorry if you dislike being reminded of reality.

        • rivahmitch

          Only as long as people are willing to accept it;-) Semper Fi!

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          Reality? What would you know about reality?

      • Phillip_in_TX

        The Supreme Court has "stepped on their cranks" many times in their existence. Just because the word "Supreme" is in their title, does not make them right all the time.

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          It doesn't matter who is right. It matters who the Supreme Court says is right.

        • Retired Chief Petty Officer

          Wherecare the Supreme Court's divisions?

        • Phillip_in_TX

          Yes, it DOES matter. The Supreme Court has had some really BAD decisions over their existence. And, the doctrine of "Stare Decisis" is a load of B.S., especially when the original ruling was B.S.

          You really need to try to "pop your bubble" and live in the real world.

  • Broomlady

    "Everything doesn't belong in the private sector". Well, who do you think built this country? Everyone of the founders of the USA was a "private sector" contributor. The government didn't explore and develop this country; the hardy citizens who wanted better lives for themselves and their children built this country. And they, my friend, are the only ones who will bring our country back to what it was intended to be!

    • GetOutOfTheBubble

      If you think the government has had nothing to do with the success of the USA you are deluded or ignorant.

      • oleinwi

        Huh, I guess the history books are wrong. So, the entire industrial revolution in the United States was created by Government owned companies? Try again libtard!

        • Phillip_in_TX

          He got a tanker load of really good Kool Aid!

        • Looter

          And all of you paid for it! Thanks for the free tax monies!

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          Haha exactly what I said.

          "If you think the government has had nothing to do with the success of the USA you are deluded or ignorant."

          means

          "The history books are wrong. The entire industrial revolution in the United States was created by Government owned companies."

          What one-dimensional thinking.

        • Matt39

          I think bubble will break his nose if ovomit makes a hard right turn.

      • vincent

        Yes, the success of America depends on killing hundreds of thousands of non-combatants in undeclared wars and embargos, sending billions of dollars to foreign dictators, the rise of Islamic dictators in North Africa and Iraq, the surveillance state, the 20 million ADDITIONAL food stamp recipients, the debasement of our currency, the prisons overflowing with non-violent offenders thanks to that War On Drugs, the transfer of taxpayer $$$$ to illegal immigrants and cronies of Obama, thousands of enlisted men and women disabled and disfigured for life, those 750 Million rounds of hollow point ammo, SWAT raids on legal businesses and private citizens, the indefinite detention or killing of any American deemed to be a terrorist, the drug dealers and criminals invited across out open borders.
        Why are you Communist "peace protesters" suddenly the most vicious bunch of warmongering and totalitarian SOBs in America these days?

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          I'm opposed to the size of our military, our military actions around the world, the NDAA and the drug war.

          Why do you make so many assumptions?

        • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

          Of course you are. Just keep the free stuff comin huh?

      • RedMeatState

        you mean years ago, when it stayed out of everyone's way and everybody's business??

        • GetOutOfTheBubble

          How many years ago exactly? What was different and what was the same?

          Where does your nostalgia lie?

      • JJM123

        A huge difference between the government that respected our rights and liberty and allowed MAKERS to gain rewards for their hard efforts VS the BIG government that wants to control every aspect of our lives while spending 140% of the money they take from us.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RT7T7LCQ56NAYGU5OZZKRXSTFI Texan

    Yep, we have major problems with medical care, but Obama lets in millions more that drain every aspect of our economey!! Makes sense, doesn't it!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3HKNGH7UH56R4LHAC37ETDMP6U scifirobb

    I have searched and searched for any feasibility studies before Obamacare was passed. We all have coverage. Great. Now getting care will be a different matter. Come 2014 at least 10 million more people will be mandated to receive healthcare, without any provision to increase the number of doctors, or nurses, or bed pan emptiers. This was passed with absolutely no forethought as to how it was actually going to deliver. Somebody please give me a reasonable explanation as to how this will work without rationing care? This does not even take into account the number of MDs who are planning to wrap up their practices and retire early rather than continue under Obamacare.

    I am not saying something did not need to be done, but this ain't it. No president, dictator, congress or parliament has ever managed to contravene the laws of the marketplace because they are predicated on human nature. When the legitimate market fails to deliver adequate quantities of ANY commodity, the black market steps in, inevitably. The horrors to ensue I will leave you to contemplate. The fundamental flaw in the liberal philosophy is that redemption is made unnecessary through the right legislation, that we can all get along if everybody will be selfless. Read Atlas Shrugged. Human nature is what it is.

    • Screeminmeeme

      scifirobb........Right.

      With little thought about the consequences to our health care system and the economy, Obama and the obsequious Democratic Congress pushed through this damnable bill without a single Republican vote or the consent of the people.

      When challenged, ONE Supreme Court judge broke the tie and gave the Prez the single most important judgment in our history by declaring the bill constitutional.

      The last hope to repeal the bill died when Obama won a second term and the Democrats retained the Senate.

      And now the juggernaut of Obamacare is going full steam ahead, forcing its malignant tentacles into every area of our lives, creating a nursing/physician shortage, ruining our economy, destroying our privacy, lowering our standard of living.......all to provide shoddy care to everyone ''fairly'' (Obama's favorite word).

      If, by good fortune, the Republicans should win the Presidency, and both Houses....and if there's the will to do it........it will take YEARS to undo all the damage and reverse all of the support systems that have been put into place.

      With one swipe of the pen, America has been gravely wounded.

      • oleinwi

        While I agree with in principle, here is where you are wrong, they knew EXACTLY what the consequences would be my friends, make NO mistake about that. All conservatives better start becoming "preppers", stock up on food, ammo and the good book, the darkness of evil is coming, these clouds are exactly the same as any that have appeared before other tyranny's in history. If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

        • Phillip_in_TX

          What we have coming is going to make the "Great Depression" look like a church social.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

          Good. Why don't you all put on your tinfoil hats and go busy yourselves preparing bunkers for the coming "darkness of evil." That will keep you occupied while the mentally stable citizens continue to move forward with important matters.

    • aryton senna

      Hi SCIF

      I retired in Aug 2003. Could not be happier.

      ret expat MD: NBME: ABIM: ABNM: ABR w/spec comp NR and 45 years in medicine

  • http://www.facebook.com/maxwell.friedlander Maxwell Friedlander

    Obamacare will be very bad for the elderly & the sick. It won't be long that when you've reached a certain age you will no longer be able to get treatment.

    • aryton senna

      Actually, you will. OFFSHORE!

    • Phillip_in_TX

      Obamacare will be bad for EVERYONE. They need to run the whole damn thing through an "industrial size shredder!" Then, they can take every idiot who voted for it, and place them on a ship. Afterwards, we can let the Navy use the ship for "target practice."

  • jake

    The only reason we are in this fix is because of the Demorats and Lyndon Johnson in the 1960's . And the Man you have voted back in office with his Dumb-Dumbs in the Senate.

    • victorbarney

      And, jake, what ABOUT our WOMEN VERBALLY-SUPERIOR MAJORITY that VOTED for this promised "fundamental transformation of government" into MARXISM! Did I even mention the ONLY SIN that NEVER, NEVER can be FORGIVEN? DON'T FORGET THEM, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH MEN ARE HELD EQUALLY RESPONSABLE,i.e., 144,000, 72,000 each sex) will be LEFT ALIVE following the 3 1/2 YEARS that the two-witnesses of Revelation, chapter 11 WITNESS AGAINST U.S! No? WELL, WATCH, BUT "ONLY" IF YOU'RE STILL ALIVE TO WATCH! Again, just saying what's written...

  • victorbarney

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT! It does not really matter 1(one) iota, because we, as ENGLAND PROVED, are Israel by the seed of Joseph(Gen. 48:16), & brother "WE"(i.e. US/america) had NOTHING LEFT to do, but place over it(WOMEN ALONE)i.e., WELCOME TO ADAM'S WORLD, EVEN "BEFORE" the FIRST(1st) MURDERER WAS EVER BORN!) elected OVER Joseph(Gen. 48:16) the "ONLY" NON-ANGLO-SAXON "EVER"(DEUTERONOMY 17:15) to rule over ANGLO-SAXONS of their OWN ACCORD! DID I TELL YOU "ALSO" THE SELF-PROCLAIMED "ANTI-CHRIST"(MARXIST) OF REVELATION, CHAPTER 11? AGAIN! WELCOME TO ADAM'S WORLD!!! WATCH! BECAUSE "YOU" HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPHETIZED TWO-WITNESSES OF REVELATION, CHAPTER 11 LEAVING "ONLY" 72,000 anglo-saxon MEN & 72,000 anglo-saxon WOMEN LEFT ALIVE are 3 1/2 years of witnessing AGAINST U.S.! AND..."WHO" do "YOU" THINK WILL SURVIVE "AFTER" THESE TWO-WITNESSES "ARISE" AGAIN 3 1/2 DAYS 'AFTER" OBAMA HAS THEM MURDERED? P.S. ONLY 144,000 Anglo-Saxons WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER! WHY? AS ROY ORBISON WROTE & SANG: "IT'S OVER!" Yes, I guess it really is TRUE that the FIRST-BORN(CAIN) will be LAST and his brother ABLE, who CAIN MURDERERED, will be FIRST(1ST) TO BECOME RESURRECTED, AS WRITTEN... Just saying what's ALREADY has been WRITTEN about U.S. a LONG, LONG TIME AGO!

    • Screeminmeeme

      victorbarney....Lower your caps. Your comments are too hard to read for some of us.

      • victorbarney

        Screeminmeeme, then you'll just LOVE the two-witnesses! WATCH!

  • pguild01

    I'm 59, so 65 is too close. Impeach Obama and repeal Obamacare.

  • wayno

    you all need to remember history,
    Obama & company are taking more and more from nazi history.
    the nazis euthanized the lame, the sick, the mentally deficient and the old.
    They decreed what people should eat, banned, guns, controlled society more and more.

    Guess what is coming here. Guess what is here already.

    They may not have made the country bankrupt but they instituted national socialism and used the bankruptcy to take over the country.
    here, the socialists and 'people' like george soros are bankrupting the country so the next phase of socialism can be ushered in.
    The GOAL is to BANKRUPT the country. That's obama's plan, the plan of the LEFT.
    wake up and throw them out. it's probably too late already.

  • auhunter

    One of the main reasons Medicare is having problems is that Obama raided the fund to pay for Obamacare, as I recall some 186 billion dollars worth.

  • aryton senna

    The Congressional Research Service concluded earlier this year that if the "CAPS" were removed from FICA that Social Security would be viable without increasing taxes or reducing benefits for another 75 years!

    Cannot find their Medicare analysis - perhaps it's too far gone.

    Pretty amazing if true.

    When fully implemented on 1 Jan 2014, one can dump his/her MC B; D, and Supplement (and their premiums), and buy international (ex US) health insurance for less.

    If and when anyone needed care in the US, those policies can be reinstated without pre-existing exclusions nor financial penalties. in a few minutes on the internet or telephone.

    The health insurance companies will love this little wrinkle in Obamamamacare.

    ret expat MD

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

    PUT everyone on the same PLAN as the President,Congress & Senate !!! They want to kill everyone over 65 regardless as we are no more useful or paying taxes !!

  • muchfedup

    PEOPLE NEED TO READ AGENDA 21. SEE U.N./AGENDA 21.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Walt-Hobbs/1559061243 Walt Hobbs

    Take $1 trillion dollars from Presbo Kenya's Budget and it's good-bye PresboCare !!!

  • WillyT

    Obamboozler is playing Boenher like a fiddle. I think he wants the "cliff" because it raises everyone's taxes and he can blame it on Boenher (and Bush). "My people listen to me...the Republicans forced you to take higher taxes because they wanted to protect the super rich and didn't care about you". I can almost hear his drivel". Once the pre-Bush high tax rates are restored he can "cherry pick" where to promise to restore cuts BUT I'll wager that the restored rates for low income will be higher than before. Those who don't pay anything will continue to pay little to nothing in income tax.

    Obamboozler will get massive tax increases passed on the middle class
    Obamboozler will not make changes in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security hemorrhaging.
    Media will exult and ensure that Republicans get fingered as the cause.

  • sandraleesmith46

    The intention all along has been to push the entire nation, including seniors and vets into a single payer {SOCIALIZED} state run system, from the beginning. What the end result will be can be seen in the UK today!

  • freedomringsforall

    This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions, are being influenced and/or run by Fabians, Marxist, commie, fascist, dictatorial, morons.

    I am sure that there are many who would call me a moron for lumping those philosophies together but I in return would infer they ought to look in the mirror and then think about what all those philosophies have wrought on the earth and when all is said and done in history they have all wrought exactly the same in the end; slaughter, famine, and despair.

    We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist coddling bunch of scum out of power in these United States.

    Then we need to work our tails off to get all of our freedoms and rights restored.

    We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings.

    We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

  • gamalpha

    No one will be euthanized, they just won't be treated. There will be year waits for life saving procedures and people will die

  • Moose853

    Then the Republicans need to pass legislation that's worded in a way that takes away the lucrative retirement and medical benifits the Demoncraps gave themselves and put them ( the Demoncraps) on Social Security and Obamacare with no hopes of ever getting off. Bet you something gets done about it then.

  • JennieWalsh

    WARNING!!! Do NOT seek medical help under Obamacare! The whole system is nothing more than a HUGE, organized crime RACKETEERING, RIP-OFF SCAM! The Satanic criminals in congress and Satanic bureaucrats set up the system to rake in trillion$ and to dole out, relatively speaking, nickels, dimes and pennies to the so-called "beneficiaries". If the RACKETEERS do not get their expected "due", they will lighten the load of "beneficiaries" through murder. They have a very well stocked arsenal of biological murder weapons that make death look like "natural causes". Bacteria, parasites, spirochetes, viruses, poisons, dangerous/deadly drugs, ultra high doses of radiation etc. make up their arsenal. Their fellow RACKETEERS/ORGANIZED CRIMINALS/SECRET SERVANTS OF SATAN acting as doctors, nurses, pharmacists, coroners, morticians, judges, lawyers, health care professionals, news reporters, congressmen, teachers, sport coaches, car repairmen and many more will assist in executing and covering up the murders. They are also very expert at "suicides" and "accidents". These organized criminals attend secret seminars, meetings, classes, retreats to learn efficient ways of murder, theft, bribery, extortion, and every conceivable criminal method of operation. They secretly call themselves "Us" and "Satan Worshippers". They have remote viewer satellite computer, surveillance equipment that can watch anyone, anywhere, anytime and can tell if you have pain, nausea, itching, any sensation (internal or external) can can even diagnose diseases etc. and can analyze your emotions. It seems that they CAUSE most, if not all, diseases either directly or indirectly through the above list of biological weapons, genetically modified foods, herbicides, pesticides, chemtrails, flouride and 38 other toxic chemicals in the water supply and etc. They especially watch for fear, because through fear, they know your weak points and how they can "get you". ("Get you" means corrupt you, hurt you, destroy your life or kill you.) They also look for what is the desire of your heart, what you really, really want so they can trade you that for your allegiance to the Kingdom of Satan and your soul. They own and control the music and entertainment industries. They have taken over MANY positions of power, control, leadership, ownership and governmental positions at every level in every nation of the world. They have evil honed to an art and a science. This is NO JOKE. The Satanists get control of nations through communist/socialist/economic dictatorship/dole out programs to get people dependent on them so as to grow their own power and wealth. I hope people will soon wake up and wise up to recognize the "wolves in sheep's clothing" who do great evil while pretending to "do good". Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barrack Obama, Eric Holder are just a few examples of the wolves in sheep's clothing who pretend to do good, while ripping off and destroying the American people.
    If America had been following and guarding the constitution since 1812, the criminals would not have been able to steal, plunder, corrupt and destroy so much throughout America. The international bankster-gangsters/secret servants of Satan/global organized crime syndicate/Bilderbergers/Committee of 300/Council of Foreign Relations/International Monetary Fund/World Bank/Federal Reserve/IRS/Department of Commerce/Dept. of Interior/Dept. of Energy/Dept. of Education/HUD/Dept. of Homeland Security and MANY other Satanic organizations would not be able to get away with their money scams and their grand theft of America's wealth; control of businesses and industries; indoctrination, corruption and dumbing down of America's children.
    The Satanic IRS has forced all churches to become 501.3c religious corporations under the jurisdiction of the Satanic IRS. If any church leader speaks out against Agenda 21 or any of the plots and conspiracies of the Satanists, they lose their tax exempt status. This is, plainly and simply, loss of Freedom of Speech through extortion. Obama is a lying, communist con man and a puppet of the international bankster-gangsters/Kingdom of Satan/global organized crime cartel. The same bankster-gangsters who are financing Obama's campaign are also financing Romney's campaign. Romney will say whatever he has to say to whoever he has to say it in order to be elected. He has not said anything about what he plans to do to correct the many wrongs and criminal activities going on in America's government. The bankster-gangsters know that Romney's ambition makes him their perfect puppet. The Kingdom of Satan does not care which of their puppets (two evils) is elected. The Satanists will be behind the scenes and pulling the strings if either of them is elected.
    Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are the honest, rule of law, constitutional candidates. They have the same policies and plans. Gary Johnson is a former 2 term governor of New Mexico. Gary Johnson is well loved, honest, respected, capable, truly patriotic, intelligent and wise. I would love to see the next president be known as the REPEAL PRESIDENT. Americans must unite behind the GOOD CANDIDATES! I would love to see the next congress be known as the REPEAL CONGRESS. If all the UNconstitutional so-called "laws" were repealed, America would prosper tremendously. If America had been following the constitution (based on God' Laws for civil government in the Bible) every American would so wealthy that healthcare, retirement, college, homes, cars, vacations, business start-ups would be easily affordable WITHOUT "LOANS"/USURY/DEBT, borrowing from the bankster-gangsters. The nation that obeys God's Laws will be blessed, protected from enemies, freed from the plundering, economic tyranny and dictatorship of the IRS and Federal Reserve and MANY other Satanic organized crime bureaucracies and prospered abundantly. Google: "The Bible and Ron Paul" 13 short videos discussing the issues and showing how Ron Paul's policies, 100% constitutional congressional voting record, house bills, books, speeches and writings are consistent with God's Laws for civil government as written in the Bible. Are the American people righteous and wise enough to deserve a righteous and wise president?
    The IRS, itself, is a fraudulent organized crime institution. The 16th amendment was never legally ratified by the states. (See "The Law That Never Was" by Red Beckman.) According to the Paperwork Reduction Act, all government forms must have an OMB number assigned to them. The IRS forms do NOT qualify for OMB numbers because nowhere in the massive, confusing, deliberately deceiving so-called "tax code" is there a law that requires an American citizen to pay income taxes on income earned within the USA. (Such a law would be UNconstitutional and ILLegal.) So, the fraudulent, criminal, Satanic IRS just put fraudulent "OMB" numbers on its fraudulent forms. See: http://www.welcome,freeenterprisesociety.com/ and get their free catalogue. Order the DVD by Robert Lawrence which shows how he inquired in tax court to the IRS attorney about OMB numbers. The IRS attorney pleaded the 5th amendment and dropped the IRS's case against Robert Lawrence. The IRS's so-called "income tax" is actually the biggest heist in the history of planet earth and is economic tyranny, along with the Federal Reserve. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". American people must wake up and realize that we are living under the criminal plunder, economic tyranny and dictatorship of organized crime's IRS and the Federal Reserve which were both set up by members of organized crime in congress in order to fill their own pockets. The Federal Reserve and the IRS are both ILLegal, UNconstitutional, criminal, racketeering, grand theft, Satanic organizations. This is just one of the MANY ways that the international bankster-gangsters (the so-called "shadow government"/Kingdom of Satan/global organized crime cartel) have corrupted, plundered and are fast destroying America. By paying the so-called "income tax", the hoodwinked American people are actually financing the Kingdom of Satan and all their genocides, assassinations, plunder, war, abortions etc. worldwide. How do you think that the Super-Rich got so rich?
    Meyer Rothschild, original founder of the international bankster-gangsters/City of London, said, "Give me control of a nation's money and I do not care who makes its laws.
    Thomas Jefferson said, "If the American people ever allow a central bank to control its money, their children will wake up homeless on the land that their forefathers conquered". The Federal Reserve Act was passed by the criminals in congress when the good congressmen were home on Christmas Vacation. (This is a great example of the Kingdom of Satan in operation).
    Woodrow Wilson was indoctrinated by the global crime cartel to pass the Federal Reserve Act before he was put up as a candidate for president by the bankster-gangsters. In his later years, he expressed deep regret as he realized that he had destroyed his country.
    It seems to me that NOW is the time to overthrow the international bankster-gangsters (Kingdom of Satan) who own and control both the Republican and Democratic parties. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, Libertarian, are perfect third party candidates to succeed in the overthrow of the murderers, war-mongers, liars, thieves and tyrants who are plundering and destroying America. Like Ron Paul, Gary Johnson wants to ABOLISH both the Federal Reserve and the IRS that are financing the Kingdom of Satan and all their evils worldwide. I sincerely believe in THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION. America desperately needs a true REVOLUTION FOR FREEDOM, JUSTICE, RULE OF LAW, PROSPERITY, PEACE, TRUTH. United we will stand and prosper, divided we will suffer tremendously. The American people must UNITE to overthrow the international bankster-gangsters and their puppet parties, the Republicans and the Democrats. The Satanists are EXTREMELY CUNNING AND DECEITFUL. Through propaganda, they play with us and against us as though we are their pawns on a chess board. Jesus said, "Be as wise as the serpents and as harmless as doves". We MUST WISE UP, RECOGNIZE THE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING FOR WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE AND RECOGNIZE THEIR DECEITFUL TACTICS AS THEY PRETEND TO BE OUR "FRIENDS" AND "HELPERS" AND AS THEY PRETEND TO BE PATRIOTS AND FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Pray for God-Wisdom, God-Power, God-Discernment, God-Courage, God-Protection, God-Victory over all the evils of the secret servants of Satan. We are in a battle of life and death, freedom vs slavery, truth vs lies, peace vs war, prosperity vs suffering/poverty. Almighty God and the Great Angelic Host are on our side but Eternal Divine Law requires that we MUST ASK for their Divine Help!
    Also see: Yuri Bezimov KGB U Tube and watch his videos. He reveals what the global bankster-gangsters have in store for the leftist fools, whom they refer to as "useful idiots". The globalist criminals plan to line them up and shoot them as they have done to the leftist fools in the past.
    SEE: youtube.com/user/cafr1 -----------------for eye opening and mind blowing information. THERE IS NO "NATIONAL DEBT" The lying, thieving politicians and bureaucrats KEEP 2 SETS OF BOOKS. FOLLOW THE LINKS TO GET WISED UP TO THE CRIMINALS WHO ARE RUNNING, PLUNDERING AND DESTROYING AMERICA. The government has more wealth than all Americans put together.

  • JennieWalsh

    SEE: "Obamacare in one sentence" 16,000 new IRS agents are provided for. This is not healthcare; it is grand theft, compliments of the IRS (America's version of the Gestapo and KGB)

    • GetOutOfTheBubble

      "16,000 new IRS agents are provided for."

      I love when blatant lies like this are repeated and I watch the upvotes, then I point out that it's a lie and get downvotes. This place is a bastion of self-inflicted ignorance.

      • http://twitter.com/ThomasGregg1 TGregg

        You can't win with this guy. His king has spoken, & thats final

  • kysteelgirl

    Unfortunately, I am one of those "grannies"....worked for 42 yrs & thought I had planned pretty good but then obamacare...I now have to pay $300 per month for my previously free insurance from my previous employeer. Got a letter last week, due to obamacare I now have to pay $12 per mo. & $30 for each prescription, previously free. This week I got a letter, my primary care doctor will not accept medicare after Jan. 1....
    Guess the welfare queens & illegal aliens are more important than a white, retired, patriotic female. God help us all and our country if obama makes it for 4 more years!
    Have you all heard there are grumbling in Washington about taking our 401k's and "sharing" with those too "unfortunate" to have a 401k! Assume they must mean the welfare queens & illegal aliens or in my mind those too lazy to srike a lick at a snake!

  • cmelk

    The thing I find amazing is how so many act surprised at what is happening. Obama and his henchmen told us before he was first elected exactly what they had planned. Just so many find it hard to believe. Surprised that he's doing what a marxist does. Even Pravda sees him for what he is. Our best hope as we get older is that the regime keeps a good supply of morphine handy for our pain.

  • Stinson47

    What about people(takers) on the "Nanny State" programs. Like seniors, being no longer worthwhile to America and an added expense, aren't these "takers" in a somewhat similar situation? What might their fate be?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416201425 Ilene King

    Look up agenda 21, look up U.S. Concentration camps FEMA and the REX 84 program. They are in every state. Look up hollow point bullets. Its time to look up and search into things yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416201425 Ilene King

    Hollow point bullets and their use. Look up and search into this. I have been just for the last 3 months or so and believe me its scary. Time for US citizens to become informed and know what our government is really doing that does not get reported.

  • nexgenesis

    It just may be the hardest program Washington DC has ever had to impose on the taxpaying public. The fact of the matter is few want to be burdened by this obama government controlled health care. Congress doesn't need it, muslims can't sign up for it, and the unions are not required to be covered as they have their own plan. Businesses will fold under the burden and the list just keeps going on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Williams/100000740775101 Dan Williams

    Not to worry. The US Dollar will collapse first, causing hyperinflation. No one will be able to afford anything anyway at that point. You will be offering barter in trade for any medical attention that you need.

  • ARMYOF69

    How about TOSSING all illegal aliens , and their children out of OUR country, and grabbing all they own here, to try and offset what they have STOLEN from us?

  • Matt39

    When is the government going to pay back all the money they stole from social security since 1965? That was out money and our savings for a retirement and LBJ and his democraps voted to use the excess for a slush fund and it has continued annually ever since.. Politicians are the biggest liars and thieves in this country. After spending 40 or more years in Congress they cry when defeated because of all the perks they are losing.

  • Marlin208

    I read an article yesterday from a professor that was already complaining about the college cutting his hours to 25 a week to beat the obamacare mandate that stated anyone working 30 hours is now considered full time and must get health insurance.
    Now the idiots are reaping the benefits of obamacare and they are choking on it.
    They wanted it, they got it. And they can choke on it too. Now we have a shared sacrifice and they are sqealing like pigs. The whole thing is unconstitutional because the Senators and Congressmen are exempt.

  • sovereigntyofone

    Ah heck, lets go all the way and after they kill off all us old people turn us into " Soylent Green " and feed the bums on " Entitlements " when they eat me I hope they get the " husky flippers ".

  • RedMeatState

    There's nothing wrong with actuaries averaging costs over all age groups over all "living" years! If they did this, average costs would rise for younger folks, but be lower for older folks, and they would be stable over a lifetime. Insurance companies try to weed out higher risks as claims are filed and paid, so these numbers could go up potentially.
    But the bigger problem is that long ago, government decided to nose its way into the private sector where its always been prohibited to go. Once that happened, EVERYTHING started going up!! Then they got funny with the money and added the high government crime against the people called inflation!
    So is it because our government is populated with idiots who don't have a clue, or because they're all sinister socialists lusting for power over us? Gaming the rest of us as they play tug of war over power and the economy.

  • Italiano

    I was speaking to an owner of a corner bakery store in Denver about a year ago, prior to the HHS mandate being bandied about as a panacea for the sick. He adroitly pointed out that one AIDS case in the health exchange model could not only preclude insurance coverage for his other employees, but possibly put him out of business. How can this administration even have the audacity about balancing this leviathan budget when it is putting an untenable straight jacket on everyone with this absured insurance plan? When you have the Sodomites, I will not refer to them as homosexuals anymore, abortionists, planned parenthood and the licentious contraceptive crowd bankrolling this president and his sinful cronies, where does the rest of America fit his plan of radical social engineering? As far as the republicans go, they should break out of their own shell and means test and change the tax structure of social security to ensure a steady stream of income, given the high unemployment rate and fewer dollars funding these programs.

  • WorkerBee

    I hate to say it but the elderly will not be the only ones. Disabled & special needs will be subject to the aka "RULES". Even now if one reads between the lines the appointed panel of 15 will need to approve the care one gets--right here is the start if the panel deems one is not worth the care guess what-- one is SOL they will be denied "The Best Is Yet To Come" what BO said after he was elected, and we all have seen what the hopey changy thing did to us. The panel will have the right to withhold treatment because it is not cost effective and better used on someone else.

  • Donna Casas

    As some one who isn't quite old enough for Medicare, this scares the heck out of me. For now I'm very healthy, but who knows what will happen down the road. Thanks Obama.

  • Jillian

    You can bet that Medicaid will thrive, no limits, no regulations, no waiting in line. Just breed and be taken care of for life.

  • Babycatcher

    That last three lines is absolutely right. For those of us baby boomers still working....Keep Working! It will be a way to stay healthier, and stay off the kickoff list....

  • US citizen

    What is this BS LOG IN TO VOTE DOWN ??

  • ConservaDave2

    As Obamacare gets more and more implemented (thank you, John Roberts) into our society I have one bit of advice to all who it might effect in order to make this transition easier: Do Not Get Sick!

  • Bill

    Just make everyone in Congress have to use the same healthcare they require us to use. That is how you get real change.

  • Lizzie

    Is a libtard a democratic lesbian. I never knew I was gay. Praying for help. Meanwhile will be so sorry to see all the right wing extremists go over the cliff with no medical help because we live in a commie nation and hate all old right wingers. how sad. Obama wants y dead. Soon. Gay old and new black panthers are coming to get you. Now

  • slickzip

    Of courfse ODUMBA wants to kill grannie ,, she won't vote for him ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • PPTA

    I have paid into Medicare since it started. ow they steal 716 billion out ofMedicare, to finance Medicade, and illegal aliens. They want the elderly to simplly die off. But wait, that also is going to include any age, if the have serious disease, are handy-capped, and are not valuable to society. So it isn't just the retired. We will see that start next year.

  • Liberty Rock

    THE 38 REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR CONTROLLED STATES HAS THE CONSTITUTIONAL SWORN DUTY BY PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS & THE DECLARATION AGAINST ALL DOMESTIC ENEMIES DEMOCRATS SENATE, CONGRESS & THE WHITE HOUSE UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, POLICIES, REGULATION THAT IS INTENTIONALLY DESTROY OUR OUR COUNTRY & OUR WAY OF LIFE IS A SERIOUS CRIMES AGAINST OBAMA, BIDEN, THE WHITE HOUSE, THE DEMOCRATS.

    THE 38 REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS CONTROLLED STATES TO ABOLISHED, CRIMINALIZED, OUTLAWED OBAMACARE & OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS & UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS & POLICIES & UNIONS THAT IS INTENTIOINALLY DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY & STATES ECONOMY & OUR WESTERN WAY OF LIFE MUST NEVER BE TOLERATED IN AMERICA. WHICH IS WHY THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE USED AGAINST THE LAWBREAKER DEMOCRATS & OBAMA & THE DEMOCRATS.

    OBAMA & DEMOCRATS MUST FORCEFULLY RESIGNED BY BLOCKING ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL DESTRUCTIVE LAWS AT EVERY LEVEL IN ALL 38 REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS CONTROLLED STATES TO BANKRUPT COMMUNISM & PUT ALL THE DEMOCRATS & OBAMA DESTRUCTIVE OPERATION OUT OF BUSINESS TO SAVE OUR NATION FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATION. THERE IS NO FUTURE OR PROFIT. OR WEALTH IN COMMUNISM. ONLY DEATH, IMMORALITY, HOPELESSNESS & SUFFERING & DESTRUCTION IS WHAT COMMUNISM BRINGS TO AMERICA. COMMUNISM IS A SERIOUS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. THE HHISTORY OF COMMUNISM IS DEATH & DESTRUCTION BY CRIMINALS COMMUNIST & CRIMINAL MARXISTS.

    TIME TO PUT COMMUNISM OUT BUSINESSS IN ALL 38 REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS CONTROLLED STATES TO COLAPSE COMMUNISM IN AMERICA & RESTORED OUR FOUNDER MORAL PRINCIPLES & THE CONSTITUTION & GOD IN OUR COUNTRY ONE CHRISTIAN NATIONUNDER GOD WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004623030332 Jim David

      Easy there, tiger. Time to wipe the spittle off the computer screen and take your meds so the night nurse can take you to your padded room.

  • brassy

    The elderly need an "exit strategy". Upon finding out that they are being cut off from medical help, perhaps visit some of our political overlords who forced this on them and thank them personally.

  • vtdelacy

    First they came for the Jews is a you tube video picturing what happens when any individual fails to speak out against tyranny. Individual states may still be able to stop this bill from being implemented and thankfully my governor has revealed his intention of doing precisely that to stop it before it can kill this constituency. Every American should be lobbying their governor for the same protection if it is not already being secured. Speak up before it is in fact too late for all. This is nothing to be taken lightly.

  • karolh

    I see some here will defend this euthanizing of the elderly, even deny it will happen and continue to support the founder and program of Obamacare. They are proving 2Thessalonians 2:7 - 12 to be right. The mystery of lawlessness is already at work and the lawless one will soon make his appearance, with his lying wonders and unrighteous deception. All those that are deceived and do not believe the truth, God will send strong delusion on, so that all who believe the lies, will all be condemed and perish.
    In God's commandents he listed "thou shalt not kill", that meaning is pretty clear and all believers know breaking God's law is a sin, which the penalty is to burn through out eternity in the fire and brimestone of Hell. Eternity is forever, I can not imagine being tormented with fire and brimestone forever, because I did not believe God's word, let myself be deceived and found on judgement day I was wrong!
    Believe what you will, just remember, if God is willing, EVERYONE in this country is going to be elderly. What do you think it will be like when you are refused a life saving treatment or procedure because you are not worth the cost and realize your turn has come?

  • cae973

    obama and his commie dems will start by killing the elderly, but thats just the start. Once you get used to old people who no longer contribute as workers killed off, then they start killing off the disabled and the mentally ill. Of course the disabled will include our war veterans but you already accepted killing grandma and grandpa so whats a few veterans and the mentally ill will be included in that group to make it easier for you to accept. Finally they will start on the children, those with autism, downs, cystic fibrosis, that blood disease blacks have, diabetes,. any type of disability......ah what a wonderful world the black hitler will have created while stupid americans closed their eyes and refused to see the truth just as the german people did during world war 2...........this country is now the titantic with obama as the caption of a ship of fools!

  • cmjay

    The DEATH PANEL will take care of GRANDMA , disabled VETERANS and HANDICAPS There will be annihilation of the unfit and the Obama MINIONS will get a dose of their own medicine. HITLER just rose from the dead.

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    Omen Care is just the end game on a road that started long ago, To better understand Omen Care you must first understand "Margret Sanger" to fully understand just how long all this has been going on.

    You also need to branch out to the following,{ the United Nations Agenda 21,} also know under a number of other names such as: {The Responsible Earth Program, ~ Sustained Growth, ~ Community Future Growth Pattern's.} The names are endless but the "BASE Package" is the same. Look into your local towns and see if you can find these being woven into your towns, or have been woven in.

    Also look into the "United Nations Food Index," and what they think about what you should be eating. Look into the water issues, such as "FLUORIDE" not just the jolly Mr. Happy face thats being sold to you.

    Merry Christmas, and Peace and Love

  • Victoryman

    Can you spell "R-a-t-i-o-n-i-n-g?" Notice that the commucrats NEVER mention what is happening to medicine in Great Britain with their single payer, government run "Healthcare." You seasoned citizens WILL have a choice.....red pill or blue pill? Can Solyent Green be far behind?

    • http://www.monster-island.net/ kushibo

      Rationing? Do you Searisti not understand that private insurance companies right now do exactly that?

  • Kathy Jenson

    I can't think of one government agency that actually does anything on a timely, efficient, cost effective way. Well, maybe the Navy Seals or the Army Rangers. So I don't want to put my life into the hands of anyone who is controlled or influenced in any way by the government. I want the same healthcare that congress has. When they have obamacare, I will too.

  • v steve

    The house of Representatives with Republican majority and Tea party people hold the purse strings they can defund obamacare it is as easy as that, obamacare defunded gone for good, but they won`t, why because they are with barack hussein obama in bringing down America to 3rd world standards. It all about the money and the house of Representatives have the control of the money.

    Never reelect anyone no matter how good or bad they are, because Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Thomas Jefferson expressed it: In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.

  • Progressive Republican

    Rethuglicons and the Republicretins stupid enough to vote for them conveniently ignore reality. Again. Here's yet another piece left by the roadside: Actuarials are already killing everyone over 65 whenever these unelected bureaucrats decide you are no longer worth keeping alive because you cut into corporate profits. Unbelievably most readers of this site as well as it's authors are o.k. with this. Patriots are not.

  • ian

    I work for a 3 yr old man he told me last week his pa told him when he was a young man that 1 day the government would euthanize the elderly.He believes he will live to see the day. (his pa was well read on the bible) Hitler euthanized disabled kids and adults. The new UN law if passed gives control of disabled americans to the UN The same UN that just recognized Palestine. It is not only time for americans to get right with Jesus but they must make sure they dont get into the whore of babylon or 1 of her daughter churches. or get out if they are in 1. revelation 18.4

  • ian

    a 73 yr old man oops

  • deseartu

    We have 38 Million Centurians and every day 10,000 people turn 65 until 2024, that's right every single freaking DAY! If they think they are going to kill our grandparents good luck! Or try to kill the Baby Boomers, the ones who were Vietnam or are part of the Hell Angels, good luck! The revolution is coming! 150,000 guns sold on Black Friday! You do the math!

  • brabbie2002

    I still can't fathom why I am paying a $200 a month penalty for not signing up for medicare when I was eligible - instead, choosing to stay with the health insureance I had at the time with full coverage. One would think I should get a prize for not tapping into the system until I retired in February of this year. Maybe that rule that ALL must sign up at age 65 should be dropped? No, wait - sorry, I lost my head. Everyone knows the government needs to wipe our butts and blow our noses from cradle to grave. Don't they know what is best? NOT!!!

  • MrsVW

    This should have been shown to all those illiterate people who voted for Obama. You know, all those who want FREE stuff that Obama promised them. Guess they will have to wait in long lines to get their FREE health care, if they live that long. You'll have to have money to get good health care, and a lot of it!! Good luck!

  • Henry

    There is a very simple explanation for what obama is doing to America. The regime is hellbent on establishing a Marxist State. Since Americans are clueless as dog spit to this reality this should be easy for the regime. The complete and total destruction of America as the leading 1st World county is the ONLY mission. Say it can't happen? Wake UP! It is just about ready. Say "bye bye" America.