Obama’s Oath On The Bible Captures Chinese Interest

Conservative Evangelicals are so sickened by Obama’s lack of respect for God’s word, that watching him take his oath on the Bible only adds insult to injury. But in other nations, Obama’s public display of faith provokes a much less jaded reaction. According to the web magazine Quartz,

“Obama’s inauguration was a top trending topic on Sina Weibo, China’s massive microblogging site, with over 25 million posts on Jan. 21. Of these, one comment by a Weibo user by the name Wugou1975 was forwarded over 2,000 times, garnering over 500 comments. The blogger posted a photo of Obama taking the presidential oath with Supreme Court Justice John Roberts: Some Chinese find it unbelievable that this secular country’s democratically elected president was sworn in with his hand on a Bible, not the Constitution, and facing a court justice, not Congress. But actually, this is the secret of America’s constitutional democracy: It’s not just the Constitution or the government’s “separation of powers.” Above that is natural law, guarded by a grand justice. And below is a community of Christians, unified by their belief. Wugou’s post is part of a larger debate in China over religion and political reform based on China’s constitution. Religion, while legal in China, is not welcomed by the Communist Party (CCP). Last December, authorities arrested over 1,000 members of a Pentecostal sect. The CCP also forbids its members from following any religion, but as many one in six party members practice some form of religion. About 200 to 300 million of the country’s approximately 1.3 billion people practice some form of religion, mostly Daoism or Buddhism.”

I have a couple of reactions to this. The first is to appreciate the irony that Chinese observers give more credit to the Christian Faith than President Obama does for sustaining and upholding the distinctive national order that is the United States of America. The second is to wonder if God might be getting ready to show more mercy to China and perhaps more judgment to the United States.

Think about it. When Constantine officially changed allegiances from the gods of Rome to the Lord Jesus Christ, Christianity was not the majority religion in the Roman Empire. It was simply a strong minority. Christianity is still a small minority in China, but what would happen if, in the midst of economic crises, China’s leader was to publicly announce a change of heart and policy from their band of "Communism" to Christianity (and manage to avoid assassination when he did so)? It is within the realm of possibility that God might be setting up exactly that sort of scenario.

Whether that is God’s plan or not, the Quartz article provides evidence that Chinese Christians are praying for that future for their country. It also shows that at least some in China are able to discuss John Locke as a central figure in the development of Western concepts of liberty and carry on a conversation about how his thinking was affected by Christianity. I hate to question whether or not there are a majority of American Christians who could have that high of quality a discussion! But I do.

China is heading for many economic and demographic hardships due to their policy of debasing their currency (just like we do!) and their one-child forced abortion policy. I think it is worth praying that they are driven to Jesus for help in these tribulations. Perhaps, then, they will send missionaries to North America.


  • ICOYAR

    History has shown that non-Christian states that were brutal towards Christianity failed miserably. Every one of those states institutionalized mass murder and social repression as weapons as the leaders do not believe in anything higher than them. But of course, we all know where all of those leaders are now, or headed. God does not like challengers.

    • martha chandler

      I think it is safe to say that God is angry with a Godless America right now. He has removed his hand of protection. I'm just waiting to see how this will all end. Badly, I suspect.

      • TheSunDidIt

        Be assured, "God is not mocked". He takes a dim view of that. Jesus said we could insult Him but, not the Spirit.

        • mudguy1

          How can ever expect God to bless our country when our so leader approves of murder (abortions),gay marriage,theft and lying. Then his party (democrats) boos when God is put back into their platform.
          this is going to be a sad four years if we the people don't make a big change in 2014

  • DontTreadOnMe11

    China is heading toward Christianity, America is heading away.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Frances/1703966077 Mark Frances

      That is the plan. They are moving toward each other.

    • anniedawn

      Not America but the mainstream news media who only tell what the WH tells them to. Obama is playing face down with God and, eventually God will win. According to this same media 82% of the people in America claim to be Christians and conservatives outnumber liberals 2 to 1. How did Obama win the election?

      • Sam Mc

        Cheating

  • Pastafarian

    It almost wasn't a bible at all, but the Book of Mormon.

    • /.murphy

      You sound like a follower of His Noodliness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

      • Pastafarian

        yes indeed.

        • /.murphy

          May the Grace of His Noodly Goodness surround you like a rich, thick Alfredo.

        • Pastafarian2

          A Pastafarian President would swear the oath on the Constitution, which does not mention God. This omission is obvious enough that it was obviously intentional. The oath itself promises to uphold and protect the Constitution - not the Bible.

  • pduffy

    The scriptures say not to swear such an oath, so the very oath he swore on the bible trashed the bible, so he was actually showing contempt for the word of God, not respecting it. A liar can swear on anything and it's still meaningless. If he was going to swear on anything, it should have been the communist manifesto. Barry has mocked the bible in public, so why would he swear on it other than for political reasons?

    • http://www.facebook.com/Kaity927 Dorothy Duda

      No one can trash the bible. His Word will survive till the end of all ...however we do see how big a liar he really is and he is doomed by God's Word for judgement is already given on the unbeliever! But so far fearing he will take many believers down with him. Believers must stay strong in faith and keep working with God's blessing for a much better future for our country and government, which needs well educated, knowledgeable legislators with strong faith in His Word, plus to the point sincere daily prayers.

    • Pastafarian2

      What you are saying goes for all presidents then. (except John Q Adams).
      Did all of our former Presidents show contempt for God and by doing so trash and mock the Bible?

      • pduffy

        Some past presidents actually believed in the bible but were foolish enough to swear, but this man did it for political reasons. But as the scriptures say, "You can't make one hair white or black", so don't swear the oath. That's the problem with men who swear oaths - they think they are God and can live up to it. Only God can swear an oath because he is the only being in the universe that has the character to do so. This is the entire lesson of the history of man - flesh and blood cannot rule over the kingdom of men and hence the problem with human government in any form its tried. They all have failed, including this American experiment. This is why Christ must come to rule the world. "He shall rule them with a rod of iron". Do you know know your scriptures?

        • Pastafarian2

          I know mine, but not yours.

  • suzy

    F obama

  • http://twitter.com/DustyFae StarDust Dolittle

    And obama best watch out, cause that oath on the Bible is stronger and more powerful then a gun, and God do not need a gun to take obama down. l am still praying that Our God come and distory the evil.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    "Some Chinese find it unbelievable that this secular country’s democratically elected president was sworn in with his hand on a Bible, not the Constitution...."

    My question is why have 225 years worth of Christians not seen the ironic travesty in this?

    "Nearly all of the presidents have taken their oath of office by placing their hands upon a Bible. But this empty tradition is nowhere required in the Constitution. Even if this custom were spiritually significant for some of the presidents, it was a meaningless ritual for
    the majority of them. How could swearing upon a Christian Bible be meaningful to these men when Christianity itself means nothing to them?

    "Swearing upon the Bible is an empty gesture for an even more important reason. If ever there were an unequal yoking, it is when public officials place their hands on the Bible and swear to uphold the laws of WE THE PEOPLE. This no more Christianizes the oath than Aaron’s naming the golden calf 'Yahweh' sanctified his idolatry. The Bible offers no precedent for swearing to uphold any other law than Yahweh’s. Swearing in Yahweh’s name, or swearing on the Bible, means nothing to Him if you simultaneously swear to keep the laws of another god. This is treason and sedition against the God of gods and
    King of kings."

    For more, see online Chapter 5 "Article 2: Executive Usurpation" of "Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective" at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt5.html

    • http://www.facebook.com/Kaity927 Dorothy Duda

      Thank you very much for writing and including the much need information at the cited web page. Most informative.

      • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

        I'm pleased you have found it useful.

    • /.murphy

      We live in a constitutional republic. If you want to live in a theocracy, either move to Iran or start your own.

      • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

        "There is no escaping theocracy. A government’s laws reflect its morality, and the source of that morality (or, more often than not, immorality) is its god. It is
        never a question of theocracy or no theocracy, but whose theocracy. The
        American people, by way of their elected officials, are the source of the
        Constitutional Republic’s laws. Therefore, the Constitutional Republic’s god is
        WE THE PEOPLE.

        "People recoil at the idea of a theocracy’s morality being forced upon them, but
        because all governments are theocracies, someone’s morality is always being
        enforced. This is an inevitability of government. The question is which god,
        theocracy, laws, and morality will we choose to live under?"

        Excerpted from "The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt3.php.

        • /.murphy

          What?! You're quoting... yourself?! OMG! I must say: your arrogance is astounding.

        • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

          Murphy, be careful. Arrogance comes from the heart, something only Yahweh can know. Consequently, by making this heart-judgment of me, you've placed yourself above or equal with Him. Furthermore, EVERYONE here quotes themselves. What first comes to mind is quoted via their keyboard.

          You're right, it could be arrogance on my part or it could be that with the limited space on this forum that I'm merely providing a link to more information for those who are interested in pursuing it.

        • Pastafarian

          Ted, that is a pretty convenient answer to defect ANY criticism, with an insult added in to boot. Yet you have no difficulty making a heart-judgment of others, saying that "Christianity itself means nothing to them" {the majority of past Presidents} You have looked into their hearts - something only Yahweh can know. You have placed yourself above or equal with Him.

          It does not take a supreme being to see the obvious marketing in your posts. Please click here! Go to my website! Buy my book!

        • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

          Patafarian, my response was not meant to be an insult but instructive. Anytime any of us judges the motives of another person's heart we usurp the place of Yahweh.

          As for judging the hearts of past presidents, I have not judged their hearts but their actions. If a man has nothing to do with Christ following his oath of office, it's pretty clear that the man is not a Christian. Faith without works is dead.

          Please quote anywhere where I've asked people to buy a book. If you cannot, you have falsely accused me and our guilty of a Ninth Commandment infraction. I forgive you.

          You will find that all but one of my books are provided online for free and even the hard copies are free to anyone who cannot afford to pay the suggested price.

        • T. Edward Price

          Pasta, please direct me to the posts where Mr. Weiland is marketing anything. I haven't seen him ask anyone to buy his book, or books. Maybe I have missed this. I have found most of his material , for free, online. You can have whatever opinion you choose. But, it would appear you are lacking in judgment and discernment.

          Happy Noodles and Pesto

        • Pastafarian

          Did you notice the two links in this very conversation that go to online ways to buy his books?

          I don't want to discuss it further. After I did some internet research on Mr. Weiland, I discovered some unsettling things that makes me concerned for my safety if I were to continue to criticize him.

        • T. Edward Price

          Again, you haven't shown where he ever solicited ANYONE to buy his books. They are indeed available for anyone who wishes to purchase them, but they are also available FREE online, and can even be obtained in hard copy, for those who are unable to afford them. Who else does that? Disagree all you want. But don't assign motive to someone unless you can prove it with multiple sources.

          Concerning this wonderful thing called the internet, would you believe it allowed me to find out so much about Mr. Rogers and his Neighborhood, that I would have feared for my life, had I been his neighbor? OH the HORROR! And, of course, we can believe everything we read online, because nobody has an agenda to push, right? Isn't it interesting that you were ABLE to find Mr. Weiland online, due to the fact that he uses his real name, and seeks to openly engage in public discourse, without taking refuge behind some covert moniker?

          Smoked Capers and Parsley

        • Pastafarian

          safety first

        • http://www.facebook.com/davidzion.brugger David Zion Brugger

          I have recieved books free of charge from Ted's Ministry, (excuse me calling it His rather than Our Lord's, Ted does manage it anyway and State CEO's get to call their ministries their own too) twice I remember in the last 5 or 10yrs and I believe I got a couple on Bible Law way back in early 90's too,, and he has never asked for whatever I could scrounge up or tried to sell other material when sending them my way when even postage would be hard for me.
          His Ministers dont need to beg,, read 'your' Bible, read it like God was your friend and it will do more for you than reading it looking for enemies.
          Peace, It's The Law.

  • lindaorinda

    He used TWO books - was one the Bible and one the Koran by any chance?

    • /.murphy

      It was already reported what the two books were. Go ahead and pull your head out... we'll try to ignore the popping sound.

  • Antoninus

    Conservative Christians are sickened by Obama ... Not just evangelical Protestants. Catholic, for example, suffer far greater persecution in China than the various Protestant groups which Sony represent as great a threat. They're not organized not unified.

  • /.murphy

    The Chinese just find it humorous that so many dumb Americans still think Obama is some kind of Muslim.

    • 1776dejavu

      we Americans find it humorous that so many dumb liberal Americans still think Obama isn't a Muslim.

      • /.murphy

        Nah... the word you're seeking is "reason." You can't find it because you don't have any of it. You conspiracy-theory types entertain the hell out of us because you will continue to believe the same lie you first locked onto, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Instead of using reasoning, you silly people just invent more and more complex and convoluted explanations to support the lie you believe in. That's where the whole "Muslim" thing is now.

        Haven't you ever wondered why Obama doesn't make his wife and daughters wear a hijab? Or why he allowed himself to be photographed during Ramadan eating a lunch of pork chops and beer at the Iowa State Fair? Or why he eats shellfish? Or why he drinks alcohol at all? Or why he attends Christian services, and has never been seen at a mosque? And didn't swear his oath on the Qu'ran? I know--you say he's trying to "hide it"... yet at the same time, you people circulate articles about his ring containing the "golden proof" that he's a Muslim by some inscription you think you see... yet it never occurs to you people that if he were trying to hide his Muslim faith, he wouldn't be wearing the ring in the first place. If you had an ability to use Reason, you would have come to a different conclusion long ago. You people are like a different species, Homo sheepiens.

        It's all quite comical to informed Americans. I suppose I should feel bad that I find humor in someone else's stupidity, but I don't, because your stupidity is so profound it seems surreal to me.

        And one more thing: let's just say for a moment that Obama is a Muslim. Then what the matter with that? He's ordered the assassination of more Muslim enemies of the United States than any other President in history! So if he is a Muslim, as you so stupidly claim, then let's all give him three cheers and a big "Mr. President... Allahu akbar, baby!!!"

        (I'm still laughing... maybe those fuzzy pink and green socialist aliens holed up at Area 51 got to me after all...! LOL!

        • http://www.facebook.com/bill.lueckfeld.7 Bill Lueckfeld

          You might be an american citizen but your no american, none of us would allow this type of leadership to continue, Such a shame that you get the greedy, needy and stupid to vote for this Guy, Im still concern for my Country that I fought for. You most likely never served, if so you would see what he is doing has major damaging issues for our future but by the time it hits us, all of those so called Elected officals will be no where around just by virtue of leaving office because of old age. So they won't have to worry about fixing any of it if it can be fix. But people like you just want to voice your ignorance and claim all others wrong. Gee have you seen any protests, demonstartions by the left against anything like wars. Seems to me that your party planned and bused all kinds of stupid to yell about Bush and all the lies but found out to not be lies. Such low standings you place out there to bad you wouldn't move to the Middle East if you love it so much. I am laughing at your total lack of patriotism for this Country, Obutface has devided us and lies to the People that were the closest we have ever been sencse 911, and you believe it. Shows what a sheep you and those that follow this Cult leader are.

        • /.murphy

          LOL! What kind of fantasy world are you living in? And who are you talking about when you say "your no American?" (sic)
          Thanks for illustrating my point. You are clearly one of the uninformed and misled. And get some spelling and grammar, for ^%$!'s sake... think of it as the difference between feeling your nuts and feeling you're nuts.

  • samtman

    He swore on a Robinson Bible that was 127 years old. The Robinsons took their masters name after the Africans Slaves got their freedom. Arican Americans were in America some 225 years as slaves. As soon as African Slaves were brought here their slave masters forced them to convert to Christianity. Imagine that they became Christian Slaves. Kind of reminds you of what the Romans did with their Christian Slaves. In this case they were Christians first and slaves later.

  • hetteh

    Why must educated people continue to call G. Washington and other founders LIARS!?! According to G. W's. inaugural Address and Article IV Section 4 of our Constitution, we are a Republic with a 'republican' form of government. Our founders, with the exception of T.J., Hated any and all forms of democracies. Brainwashing can be hard to overcome. If you go to our Constitution and other writings of G. W., Noah Webster, Ben Franklin, Ben Rush et, al. you will find out what a ' republican' form of Government is.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    China needn't worry about it; everyone knows Obama holds the Bible in the same contempt he holds the Constitution..

    • 1776dejavu

      but not the Koran

  • Delores109

    OBAMA,
    Why is your left hand on the bible? That means you are not only Kenyan, but you are NOT our nation's president.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • Watchmanonwall

      you raise your RIGHT hand to take an oath. The only hand left over for the Bible is the LEFT one. got it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/barbjeanpatton Barb Patton

    I remember in the 1960's the little story that always went around that "the end of the world would come when Russia and China turned to "Christianity".. Is this happening? I sincerely hope so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RobertAlexander.Salvage Robert Alexander

    An outward sign of a man made idol & religion is what we have been supporting.

    Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity...

    Matthew 7.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Ecclesiastes 12.13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

  • jd1958

    If that is a picture of O'bama taking the oath of office.......where is his wedding ring?

  • antiliberalcryptonite

    Antichrist muslim-in-chief.

  • jd1958

    I'm tired of people calling themselves "CHRISTIANS" when they are not!! O'bama could NEVER be elected by the vast majority of Americans who call themselves and/or identify themselves as "CHRISTIANS." Due to his (Obama's) constant lying, his stance on abortion and homosexuality Chirsitans: REAL ONES could not, did not vote for O'bama. You call youself a "Christian" and voted for O'bama? You voted against the Laws of Nature and Natures GOD. GOD does not support homosexuality nor infanticide. Obama does. God said: "BEFORE you were born I knew you" Jeremiah 5:1. Not even a sparrow dies without GOD noticing. Human life is far more precious than many sparrows. Matthew 10: 29. "Thou" (you) shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22. in the Old Testment. New testament: Romans 1: 18-32. Please don't give me that "judge not" garbage. We are told make judgements. RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS. GOD sets the laws and rules of life. We are suppose to follow those laws and rules of life. NOT make them up, or change them as we go along. Many will be very surprised come judgement day.

    • Roger

      Well and good, I'm in agreement with you so far as you go. Who would you vote for then in an election where your only "real" choice was Obama or Romney, a Mormon? Personally, I think a system where the lesser of two evils or the most popular candidate wins is a system that is ripe for a smackdown. For the record, I have not voted in a presidential election since 1996.

      • http://www.facebook.com/SpaceCowboy56 David Taylor

        Then you're part of the problem, Roger. I'm not picking a fight, but you could have worked for and voted for a third-party candidate that fulfills your vision. If everyone like you would do that, you most certainly would dent the machine.

      • Watchmanonwall

        I agree with David that you and all the others that can't be bothered to do your constitutional duty are part of the problem. You may not have taken an actual "oath" but with citizenship comes responsibility. The people in russia and china would love to have our freedoms you so carelessly take for granted ... until they are all gone. Once they are gone, you won't get them back.

  • jmokkonen

    I don't really believe that Constantine's appropriation of Christianity for his political purposes was necessarily a good thing for Christianity. A similar move in China might result in a similar corrupting influence, turning the church in China into a monocentric political power.

  • Roger

    "Do not swear at all, but let your 'Yes' be yes and your 'No' be no." Whether a man is truthful or a bona fide liar, swearing an oath won't change him at all or make any difference in his actions.

  • danman1213

    Constitutional Republic. A nation that's governed by law.