Total Semiauto Gun Ban Hidden in Feinstein Bill

The list of specific firearms that would be banned by Sen. Dianne Feinstein's gun-control bill is a smokescreen for a trick of language that could result in a ban on nearly all semiautomatic guns, according to a gun law expert who has reviewed the proposed legislation.

Most media reports have focused on the already lengthy list of specific firearms the bill would ban, but Alan Korwin, who has written 10 books on gun laws, says the real meaning of the bill is hidden in the list of banned gun components.

The bill's definition of a "pistol grip" is what concerns Korwin. According to the version of the bill released by Feinstein's own website, "The term ‘pistol grip’ means a grip, a thumb hole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." (Emphasis added.)

Korwin warns that since semiautomatic weapons with a "pistol grip" would be prohibited by the legislation, if passed then the law would effectively ban any semiautomatic weapons that can be gripped, which is all of them.

"In other words, the gun list does not matter," Korwin told WorldNet Daily. "It is a smokescreen designed to distract people from the true meaning of the bill. And it has done a magnificent job. It worked! Any semi-automatic firearm that exists, with anything on it you can grip, is banned. ...

“The list is meaningless tripe. It is camouflage for the real purpose of the bill. When the president said he is not going to take away your guns, well, Feinstein’s bill puts the lie to that. Magazine size does not matter. Brand name does not matter. It doesn’t matter if it’s black. If you can grip it, it’s banned under this bill."

Korwin also points out that there is nothing in the bill that addresses the problem of criminals or that deals with the issue of psychotropic drugs, which may be particularly relevant in the case of the Newtown killings that spurred the current wave of gun grabbing efforts.

When she introduced the bill, Feinstein said it was her plan to ban the "sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of 120 specifically named firearms, certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds."

According to Korwin, almost the entire bill violates the Constitution. "Every aspect of this bill appears to be an infringement on the Bill Of Rights, with no legitimate justification," he said. "Congress cannot pass infringements by majority vote. That is forbidden, although the word ‘infringement’ itself is universally missing in ‘news’ reports, in case you haven’t noticed."


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  • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    I have decided any and all laws that originate from DC no longer apply to me. I will follow my Republic's laws, DC can go pound sand.

    • Screeminmeeme

      DavidKramer.....I'm with you and I'll have a dump truck of it sent to the Capital for starters.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dave.mullen.73 Dave Mullen

        Dont send Sand !!! Use something fro the Barn Yard....

        • PArevolutionary

          Nah,already enough of that in dc

    • Doodlebug

      Let's just hope that this crap stops and this feinstein bill goes nowhere. I can't believe it will but I also didn't believe that obummercare would go anywhere either and it sure is going fast to the tune of $$$$$$. And then, to have the SC declare it Constitutional. I have to hope that gun control crap doesn't go to the SC.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LNTYXW7U57LFM6FU5UVC6MOVA4 Ten Megaton

      Especially when someone I could not vote for or against affects my life so drastically.

  • hedwig61

    i've noted this exact same thing to my friends...the wording is purposely vague, and although it contains the list, it says something to the effect of "any and all ar15 like weapons" same old double-talk, political, dissembling i have come to expect from elected officials.

    • grassroot

      Liberal fascism,,

  • Screeminmeeme

    Long, convoluted laws which include a lot of legal jargon calculated to obfuscate their true intent has been one of the biggest problems with the legislative process. More so with Feinstein's bill.

    During the Senate hearing on gun control, someone talked about how the 2nd Amendment was about protection from a tyrannical government, and of course that led to a round of comments from our brilliant Senators about how laughable and astonishing it was to think that the our gov would be any threat to the America people. Now THAT was laughable.

    The tenor of the hearing and intent of this bill are just a couple examples of a bold move by a government that already has too much power and wants it all.

    And the Senators think that by ridiculing the possibility of a dictatorial authority, WE THE PEOPLE will be fooled into believing that really government is nothing to fear.

    Just shows that when you live in an ivory tower, you tend to underestimate your ''ínferiors''.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002891908438 Brandon Donavan

    It would be much easier to just ban and deport Liberal Authoritarians. Send them to their choice of Communist Police state, which, does not allow self defense.

    • vadave

      Especially liberal authoritarians with taxpayer funded, personal armed security teams carrying weapons with more than 7 rounds in their magazines.

      • Rebelwithaclause

        Yes, let's start w/Piers Morgan, then Obama, then Feinstein

  • /.murphy

    Relax. Nothin to worry about here. If there's "hidden" language or "hidden intent," the bill, if passed and implemented, would be quickly challenged and struck down on the basis of unclear intent. That's what makes the American system a great one.

    • vicki

      The concept is "unconstitutionally vague" not intent. There is nothing vague about the definition used for "pistol grip"

  • vicki

    The "certain other weapons" in the bill caught my eye too. I had not looked at the definition of "pistol grip" but just the common meaning would have banned ALL handguns cause they all have pistol grips.

    ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN'T shoot ANYONE.

    STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a few.

    STOP IT
    STOP IT NOW

  • vadave

    But Joe Biden assured me that my 12-gauge Mossburg pump would be the only legal gun that I would ever need to fend off the hordes after an earhtquake. But now since it has a pistol grip it's an illegal assault weapon and if I don't turn it in I'll be a criminal? Damn lawyers....Damn Joe Biden!

  • Shermer

    I'm not a lawyer and I'm not American, so I'm a bit confused on two things:

    If the constitution has been amended 27 times already, what makes the second amendment supposedly untouchable?

    Other than just because the second amendment says you can, why does the average American need a high-powered, high-capacity, semi-automatic rifle, as opposed to something like a shotgun or a couple of pistols?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Chester/1013521362 Scott Chester

      Silly boy? The possession of other weapons is to level the playing/shooting field. Would you take a knife to a gun fight or a single shot .22 against an AK47? Well?

      • Shermer

        ...and the other guy gets something bigger, and you get something bigger, and the other guy... well, you get the idea.

        • CorruptionInColumbia

          Shermer, you are a compliant little sheeple who will just bend over and grab his ankles if someone wants to take liberties with you. We get it.

        • CorruptionInColumbia

          Shermer, you are a compliant little sheeple who will just bend over and grab his ankles if someone wants to take liberties with you. We get it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/joey.obenberger Joey Obenberger

          Shermer you are a troll master. If what you are saying is true then all resistence in Afghanistan should have been crushed years ago and Baghdad would not have been such a dilly to hold...

    • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

      As a non-American you truly don't 'get it'. The purpose of the 2nd is to equip the citizens of the USA to defend themselves against the very government who is attempting to disarm us. Doesn't have a damnthing to do with "hunting" as the left loves to say, we don't want your 'hunting' rifle. Just the one that would be most effective against invading UN troops (authorized by the UN small arms treaty 0bama is keen to sign) or traitorous US troops obeying illegal and unconstitutional orders from a dictator wannabe and his handpicked generals who indicate no problem with firing on Americans. .

      True enough the 2nd "could" be amended, but the founders made that game very difficult for the politicians to accomplish for a reason. That's why in over 230 years of politicians wrangling and wishing, there have only been 27 successful attempts to add or pass an amendment. It's because the PEOPLE must wish it so, through their representatives.

      • Shermer

        So you need those weapons to defend yourself against the government? Do you know what the government has? I'll give you a clue - it's bigger than anything you have.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/NDZESWRRENXVL7ZMBPDAOKD4SM Gregory

          So what ?? I don't care. I would rather die on my feet than live as a slave. I don't have anything to lose either.

        • Rebelwithaclause

          Shermer you don't get it, yes it is a constitutional right, and yes it is to keep government in check, and it is a huge part of Americas heritage. More importantly, it is a GOD given right to defend yourself, that isn't up for negotiation. And we don't believe a word the corrupt government says.

        • DisgustedWithAdmin

          It seems to me that the Afghani's have been able to resist first the Russians and now the US military for over 20 years without going down to defeat. Guerilla warfare is underrated for sure. Not to mention, how many of our troops/officers who remain loyal to the oath they swore to the Constitution and not to some illegal alien (p)resident in the WH...

    • http://www.facebook.com/joey.obenberger Joey Obenberger

      Are you a troll or something? Changing the constitution requires a constiutional convention, and if you read the writings of the founders they are quite clear on why the citizenry should be armed. Furthermore court precedents clarify that the second amendment protects all "military style" weapons for several reasons, one of which being that all of-age citizens are members of the American Unorganized Militia, and logically they should be armed with similar battle rifles as the armed services.

      PS- M4s are quite underpowered at close range.

  • rick0857

    I know no one asked my opinion on the current so-called gun control debate, but I‘m going to give it to you anyway.

    First and foremost there is no debate going on. How can I say that you might ask yourself? Well first we must define the terms we use. To debate is to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments, or, to equally consider opposing sides of an argument or policy.

    I believe it is safe to say that this is definitely not happening in this case. There is an ongoing argument of that there is no doubt, but, the propaganda arm of the left I mean the media will only give credence to one side of this argument THEIRS. As with most causes of the left if you don’t agree with their position you’re wrong and are immediately labeled as a nut-case, a whack job, a racist, or any other myriad of terms that the left use in every case that they wish to force upon the American people.

    There can and should only be one solution to this issue and that is to leave it up to the individual States to decide. Only then we will begin to see what the real effects of the so-called gun control will do. Of course those of us with common sense and even the smallest of brains can see that an armed populace is a courteous populace.

    Just look at the violent crime rates in areas run by democrats and the left and compare them to areas run by conservatives. The more the government controls something the more controversial and out of control it becomes.

    The government has proven time and time again that it cannot solve anything at all. We have been trying for nearly FIFTY years to solve poverty in this country and the more the government does the worse the problem becomes. Poverty hasn’t been solved it’s been exasperated (made more grievous) by the government. Don’t get me wrong government does do some things very good and they should continue those things. The military is a fine example of the government doing something right, but in reality if you look closely at the military it functions properly and effectively in SPITE of government. Why? Because the military still relies on traditions and values long since abandoned by the government. Even though those traditions are very rapidly being stripped away from the military under the current administration.

    The war on drugs is a prime example of why we should not allow the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to set the standards for any sort of firearm laws or restrictions. We have spent literally billions of dollars trying to stem the flow of illegal drugs into the country and it’s all been for naught. There are as many drugs making it into the country today, as there was when the “WAR ON DRUGS” started.

    Which brings me to the one point I’ve not heard anyone on the gun owners side make. After you implement all of your so-called background checks and all of your screening and mental evaluations YOU WILL NOT STOP ONE CRIMINAL from getting any gun they want. The Chuck Shumers of the world say it will stop the criminal’s from getting guns, I say POPPYCOCK because you know what…CRIMINALS BUY GUNS FROM THE SAME PEOPLE THEY BUY DRUGS FROM!!!! And until you stop the drugs and the rest of the underground economy in this country you will NEVER STOP CRIMINALS FROM GETTING AND USING GUNS!!!!!!!

  • Jude O'Connor

    "It shall not be infringed" It's over Dianne.

  • CCblogging

    Keep your guns and buy lots and lots of ammo. Never give up your guns to the democrat marxist control freaks.

    • Shermer

      The government can kill a person anywhere in the world with a drone launched from the other side of the world. What good do you think your guns will do to protect you?

      • CCblogging

        try me and see coward.

      • disqus_EkL7OHGn3f

        Like everyone else here has basically said in one way or another..... let them try to kill us! We are a responsible and prepared citizenry and we are more than ready for these thugs. I do not need a machine gun or assault rifle to fight back against tyranny or protect my self. Ask the Afghans about that one. All I need is my own determination to see the cause of freedom through, no matter what the perceived price. Considering the amount of Americans that feel the same way, our victory is absolutely ensured... Kind of the reason WHY they want our weapons in the first place.. We scare them!.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joey.obenberger Joey Obenberger

        Because they have to find you first. Soft targets tend to get up and move occasionally. Or was there another reason it took so long to find Osama and other HVTs?

        Also- IR signatures can be masked.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LNTYXW7U57LFM6FU5UVC6MOVA4 Ten Megaton

        CCblogging is right. You are a coward. Better to die fighting than be exterminated with your head between your legs.

        • Rebelwithaclause

          I agree, rather die a bullet, then be in a FEMA prison, or watch while they torture our love ones, or starve us, once we start firing our weapons, I'm sure we can take out all their surveillance spy cameras that are everywhere, and their towers, and HARP, and drones. God bless the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, home of the free land of the brave

  • freedomringsforall

    OMG

    It figures!

    These piece of crap commie, socialist, dictatorial jerks need to be prosecuted for treason.

    They are not entitled to fight against the Constitution while in office.

    They swore an oath under law to uphold and protect the constitution not fight against it.

    They can resign and protest and fight against the Constitution when a common citizen but for them to do it while in office is treason period!!!

    This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions, are being influenced and/or run by Fabians, Marxist, commie, fascist, dictatorial, morons.

    I am sure that there are many who would call me a moron for lumping those philosophies together but I in return would infer they ought to look in the mirror and then think about what all those philosophies have wrought on the earth and when all is said and done in history they have all wrought exactly the same in the end; slaughter, famine, and despair.

    We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist coddling bunch of scum out of power in these United States.

    Then we need to work our tails off to get all of our freedoms and rights restored.

    We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings.

    We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

  • Guest

    This Bill in Norway will pass. The votes just are not there.

  • Guest

    This Bill in no way will not pass. The votes are just not there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.barrios.12 Dan Barrios

    This Bill will in no way pass. The votes just are not there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/irsalis Ivan Salis

    any semi automatic pistol that has a mag over 10 rounds would be automatically banned - so any and all high cap type pstols * would be "banned" straight out -- and since all pistols have "pistol grips" in effect all pistols even revolvers * would in effect be banned -- we can not trust a woman-- who once said --if I had the votes a to ban all firearms from civilan owneship , I would say America turn them in..

  • MichaelCrackMonkey

    The liberals who argue for gun control and against any concerns that 2nd Amendment supporters voice all tell the same lie. They try to belittle you in the conversation and say "No one is try to confiscate your guns" but of course as has been seen so many times before those liberals are simply trying to cover up the facts with that lie. If you ask them "Do you think all guns should be confiscated" they will say yes but act like it is something they are not pursuing. And as usual liberals completely ignore the real problems of criminals with guns and the mentally ill prone to violence. They think if they can prevent you form having access to guns that magically gun crime will disappear. Sane people know that is a false idea but liberals are not sane.

  • BillRind

    Go screw yourself pumpkin head feinstein, you have committed treason and some where down the road you will be grabbed and jailed or exiled to Israel only after all the wealth that you and your grubby husband stole, you will leave the U.S. penniless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Browning/1224486888 Paul Browning

    I am against all laws that go against the Constatution

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516859771 John Sweet

    It is called treason pure and simple. Ignoring the Constitution for their own ends, just what those might be is the real question. The second amendment was put there to prevent the travesty they are attempting to carry out on the Citizens of the Nation.

  • Rebelwithaclause

    I have decided mans laws do not apply to me, I will follow God's commandments. Obama has no jurisdiction in our country, he is not a U.S. citizen all of his Executive Orders are null and void. Since when did America go to war w/out being voted on by congress? Bush should be charged for multiple war crimes. We the people should not follow any law that the "LAWMAKERS" do not follow.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002395641589 Dan Howley

      I agree with following God's Law...as a matter of fact, in Luke 22:36, we read Jesus Christ Himself say, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and BUY ONE"....seeing as how swords were the 'weapon of choice' for the Roman Soldiers at that time, then anyone who sold their cloak and bought a sword, was armed equally to the military.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002395641589 Dan Howley

      Don't get me wrong, I AM a Constitutionalist, and I WILL NOT tolerate Treasonous behavior on the government's part. They can sign anything they want....they STILL have to enforce their ridiculous "Codes and Statutes" (notice I didn't call them 'Laws"? Neither do they....they can't).

  • Albert Wise

    Nothing Works Without Elec ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQ3ZWRZUATPUQBEY6MJAJWSSEQ Thomas Jefferson

    THE "DICK ACT OF 1902" forbids any and all gun laws,can't be repealed, can't be changed,and goes on forever,till the end of time,THERE AIN'T A PERSON IN GOVERNMENT who don't know this,anyone signing their name in VIOLATION of the dick act of 1902,is automaticaly is treason,lets see if any of the law enforcement,who took an OATH,are going to arrest traitors to the USA,and plan to kill their family........or are they cowards and traitors..TOO...................

    • DisgustedWithAdmin

      Seems appropriately named to me, don't you think. Considering Frankenstein is acting like a "D..."

  • chuck

    If Feinstein violates the constition,congress needs to start proceedings for her dismissal. Congress needs to stop being nice and stand up to these idiots.They swore to uphold the constition and work for the people, not to protect their own butts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brad.wasmus Brad Wasmus

    just now figured it out? huh? ANY pistol grip= any PISTOL...DUH!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/billy.thompson.9216 Billy Thompson

    Minnesota is trying to push through a total gun ban in the public safety committee. Bills HF237-241 pretty much eliminate all forms of firearms that aren't either single shot shotguns, or black powder firearms. If this passes committee, look out, MN could be the first to go for a ban on every thing.

  • David NYC

    It is crucial that we put the onus on THEM for definitions. I hate the
    term semiautomatic. Let us change the term ... globally ... to "modern"
    firearm. That way the job is on THEM to differentiate semiauto from full
    auto etc. By allowing the term semiautomatic to pervade we are always
    explaining. All modern guns are semi auto. They fire each time the
    trigger is pulled until they are empty and can be magazine reloaded.
    Modern gun. Simple term for simple gun banners.

  • don

    founding fathers said when asked what is a militia was they said"all people except for a few politicians"

  • Dan Ryan Galt

    We have 94 new gun control laws being looked at here in Connecticut most of which will turn many law abiding citizens into criminals. Like in New York, non-compliance will be a much used option.