Karl Rove Leads Establishment Charge Against Tea Party

The establishment GOP hates the Tea Party. Always has, probably always will.

Since the beginning of the Tea Party, the GOP leadership has tried through bribery, infiltration, nullification and public humiliation to eliminate whatever influence the grass-roots movement has been able to muster.

The heart of the dispute centers around the fact that the Tea Party involves voters from every walk of life, but mostly people who don't have country club memberships or who are chauffeured around in limousines.

The GOP leadership, however, is drawn from the insular golf and polo set. They've attended the right schools, met the right people and kissed the right tushies to get where they are, which is probably right where their parents put them. The most important thing to them is fitting in and keeping the fine wine flowing.

The Tea Party, on the other hand, is a bunch of gate crashers, uncouth workaday slobs who got into the soiree without an invitation. They are the people the leadership expects to show up on Election Day but otherwise stay in their own neighborhoods and out of politics. And for some reason that mystifies the leadership, they expect the GOP to actually adhere to principles of sound government and social responsibility.

Karl Rove's Conservative Victory Project is just the latest iteration of the GOP leadership's contempt for Tea Party principles. After taking to the pages of the New York Times to attack the Tea Party and try to blame it for the disastrous election showing by the GOP, Rove is suddenly finding that many of the people he just expects to fall in line and shut up have no intention of doing that.

According to Politico, "deep-pocket conservatives" are turning their backs on Rove, being keenly aware that it was establishment cheerleaders like Rove who were blindsided by Mitt Romney's stunning loss and losses in many key Senate and House races. It's also the folks who run the GOP who have let widespread allegations of voter fraud -- including counties where Obama won over 100 percent of the vote -- go unchallenged and uninvestigated.

Yet it's conservative voters the GOP cynically appeals to for its continued support. Rove himself has often brought up his ties to the Reagan Administration, ties which Reagan biographer Craig Shirley disputes, pointing out that Rove was a supporter of Gerald Ford and the first George Bush, not Reagan.

Rove's attack on the Tea Party is gaining him liberal fans who praise his "brave" stance in taking on all the upstarts. When liberals agree with you, it's time to check your motivations.

To fully understand the background on the GOP's seeming lack of interest in winning elections or standing up for the conservative principles that made this country, you might have to resort to investigating the ties between individual establishment figures and certain domestic and foreign agencies. It's murky territory, and the possible answers you may find can be shocking. I won't go there today but I encourage readers to conduct their own investigations.

Suffice it to say that the establishment has been backstabbing American conservatism since at least the sixties.

Rove has angered the very troops he expects to form his Republican army. If he thinks he's going to be a general, he needs to rethink his strategy.



  • dad666

    Looks like we have two choices, Get rid of Rove or abandon teh Republicn party and start a true third party NOW.

    • John Dunmar

      Rove isn't an elected official. How exactly do you "get rid of him" short of murder?

      • Ann Rand

        I'm not exactly sure how that can be done.... But if nobody gives $ to them , how can they continue to operate? After all, he didn't get that fat eating lettuce leaves and ice water..

        • fliteking

          Rove has to go, but as Rush pointed out, the real answer is to get media outlets to ignore him.

          It is time for the old guard to step aside and the republicans know much of America feels the same. Rove has no office to lose so hey sent him in to do the dirty work . . . in a desperate attempt to cling to office.

        • Ann Rand

          Hi flite... Good to see you.. As usual, you are right on the money !! Sure, he will be glad to be a useful idiot ...He just wants enough recognition to author a few more books... Much like Dick Morris.. I used to think Rove was a smart man (and he probably is)... But he has out lived his usefulness... Things and times have changed...The commies were knocking on our door a while back...Unfortunately, they have made it to Washington..

        • John Dunmar

          Rove needs to stick around. The left will make sure of it. He's our best weapon to use to disenfranchise you conservatives and make you completely irrelevant.

        • Ann Rand

          Ok, Nitwit... Just hand everything over to your idol... Be careful what you wish for... I seriously doubt that you would enjoy the life this wannabe dictator has planned for the likes of you.We have had the greatest life of any country in the world... I can't imagine why anyone who has half a brain would want to give it up...

        • RedMeatState

          chances are that YOU have absolutely nothing to do with it.

        • fliteking

          I bet you liberals will make the whole Country irrelevant much faster the Rove can.

          Hey, John, put down the glue bottle & Obama Phone for a minute , quick question for you - - - do you ever suffer from insomnia knowing you are supporting an agenda that literally takes money out of the pockets of your great-grandchildren? (Rhetorical and Illustrative, so think hard. . . no, wait, pull the glue bottle away from your nose . . . doing that you'll never even start to comprehend . . . to late, he's nodding off again .)

        • fliteking

          That's funny, you logged in as Lars Ulric pretending someone 'has your back' . Nobody has your back web-chimp, nobody.

          Still , you failed to answer the question, - - do you ever suffer from insomnia knowing you are supporting an
          agenda that literally takes money out of the pockets of your

        • Arkansas Girl

          John you not even American, you have stated this many times that your from Australia....Why do you care about our government????

        • Screeminmeeme

          fliteking......In case you didn't see my post, please read it and listen to the information about John Brennan and his connection to Islam...He converted in the 90s while working in Saudi Arabia. This is confirmed by several people. I thought you would be interested.

          This is no joke.

          Pass it on. Thx.

        • fliteking

          Can do.

        • Carl jr

          Why would they ignore him? He gives them hundreds of millions of dollars. Super-PACs are great for media outlets (especially in battleground states). They are VIPs. Corporations are people my friend, very important people.

        • Carl jr

          Maybe Rush can give him pointers on being irrelevant.

        • martha chandler

          For a long time my husband and I contributed money to the Republican Party. We have decided to no longer support them and have started contributing to the Tea Party and other conservative candidates.

        • RedMeatState

          yep, us too!! Besides, why contribute when they let the fraud that elected Obama go uncontested???

        • ginger

          Same here...and I also donate to specific conservative candidates after I vet them for myself.

        • Arkansas Girl

          Exactly, I have been giving to the Tea Party also....

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000894948387 Sandy Jones

          Arkansas Girl...I'm in Arkansas too, actually a transplant from Longview, Texas,moved because hubby's job promotion..:)

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000894948387 Sandy Jones

          Martha thank you! And neither do I, and I'm one of our area's Tea Party coordinators (of 7). This is one of Rove's problems, the national Republican Party is getting fewer donations from regualr citizens like you and I. The people need to get involved in local and state politics, get to know their local and state candidates by research to send true conservatives to Washington.

      • fliteking

        Leave it to a liberal to bring up murder . . . thus again demonstrating liberals are the most heartless and selfish people on earth .

        • John Dunmar

          I was asking a question retard, not suggesting it ... Jeez you ;people are brain dead.

        • fliteking

          John takes the simple road again . . . proving yet again he has earned the coveted OWS P>O>S merit badge.

          Hey, John, put down the glue bottle & Obama Phone for a minute , quick question for you, how come when a group of liberals gather in the park (Think OWS again champ) they have to establish a "Rape Free Zone" ?

        • sonofrepublic

          Retarded questions are the only type questions you leftists are capable of John! Keep making comments John as you are, like all leftists, mental cases and constant sources of amusement!

        • akright

          I as a conservative wouldn't even think of bringing up murder. That is the difference between a conservative and a liberal Obama worshiper. We don't think of violence as a means to an end.

        • Derringer

          You must not read the comments from conservatives on this blog much. I have seen LOTS of violent talk from you guys. You are such a liar and a hypocrite

      • RedMeatState

        sweep out the people supporting him in the party.

      • ginger

        It is easy...just ignore him and do the right thing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000894948387 Sandy Jones

        We don't, let his own stupid rhetoric condemn him to exile...We conservatives keep supporting real conservative candidates - local to national - and phase the RINOS out completely

    • Friscolady

      I am all for a third party. The Republican Party has become just as relevant as the Whig Party was in it's final days in the decades before our civil war.

      • Lars Ulric

        I'm all for a third party too.... Anything to ensure that the GOP vote is split so you evil bastards never take power again.

        • http://www.facebook.com/frank.patterson.902 Frank Patterson

          Lars, you obviously live in an alternate universe. You and your type voted for Evil. Please prepare yourself to enjoy ALL that you have asked for!

        • Lars Ulric

          Frank Go FK yourself. I don't live in the U.S.A....

        • dhabeck

          If you don't live in "OUR COUNTRY" then shut your pie-hole. It's none of your business so buzz off!!!!

        • Lars Ulric

          FK YOU...I will do as I please...GO FK yourself if you don't like it.

        • Friscolady

          Thank God that you don't live in the U.S. John! We have enough fools that believe as you do.

        • http://www.facebook.com/frank.patterson.902 Frank Patterson

          Why are you working so hard to hide who you are "JOHN"? Come up with any screen name you want but the fact remains, You do not belong here Period! Go ride your bicycle and collect flowers. Trust me, you will feel better about yourself once you do that.

        • Lars Ulric

          I belong WHEREVER the FK I want WHENEVER the FK I want and I'll talk to WHOEVER the FK I want. Kapeesh? Have a problem with that? Care to meet up and try to make me leave?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000894948387 Sandy Jones

        It's not the party, socialists will still infiltrate a third party, it conservatism, Rove isn't a conservative; and as one (of 7) of our area's Tea Party coordinators my advice is that we need to back 'ony' true conservative candidates, that's why Rove has declared war on the Tea Party. Let's get back to Reagan conservatism, whom by the way, won by two landslides. Just as RINOS will never win a national election, A third party will never win national elections.

        • jimbuzzell

          It really isn't the socialists to worry about they self identify, its the Progressives who hide in conservative clothes to be worried about; they are the reason the Republican Party has been in in disarray for almost 40 years; time for the true conservatives of the "Tea Party" style element in our nation to take control of the Republixan party, get rid of these RINOs or at least marginalize them and rebrand the Republican Party as the Conservative Republican Party.

        • http://www.facebook.com/frank.patterson.902 Frank Patterson

          I stand in agreement!

        • http://www.facebook.com/frank.patterson.902 Frank Patterson

          I somewhat agree with what you said Sandy BUT, Friscolady has a very valid point! It may just be that time to toss out the trash and bring in some fresh groceries so we can ALL eat well!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000894948387 Sandy Jones

          I agree, no argument from me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/frank.patterson.902 Frank Patterson

        Friscolady, I see your posts often when I happen along these stories. You have a brilliant mind and (in my view) have the cajones that many lack in order to be a true leader! Have you given any consideration at all towards running for a public office?

        • Friscolady

          I have thought of public office and I do allot of background work for those that have the time. However, I am in the process of raising a grandchild whom needs family and the love that comes with family.

        • Derringer

          Why isn't your own offspring raising their own child? I thought conservatives raise kids right?

        • Friscolady

          Because my son and my daughter in law were killed by a d@mned drunk driver!

          The question may be legitimate but only a real jerk would make the second statement!

          And in case you are interested you insensitive jerk - we did raise our children right and God Blessed us by sparing our granddaughter's life!

        • Derringer

          Less conservatives in the world in any case. I consider that a good thing. Don't like insensitivity? STAY out the fking kitchen you rotten BTCH.

        • Friscolady

          John, Lars, Derringer, you can change your screen name but you cannot change the jerk you are.

        • Derringer

          FK YOU.

        • Derringer

          BTW, you can sure dish out the insults yourself. I've been threatened and insulted countless times by you maggot conservatives. I really don't GIVE a fk any more about ANY of your "feelings" ...

        • Derringer

          I hope your grand child ends up recognizing your dishonesty and hypocrisy and grows up to hate your guts, like many children of conservative parents do.

      • parkLitchfield212

        A third party will doom the country.
        It will allow the Dem's a monopoly on control, which is why The Professor is more concerned with splintering the GOP than he is about running the country, and he has a good reason.
        A fractured opponent means no opposition to worry about.
        No opposition means total approval.
        All Carl Rove and his employers want is what the Professor wants.
        Control and power.
        We need to reclaim the party from frauds like Rove.
        We need to reclaim the party from career pol's like McCain, who talks conservative but votes like a liberal, and who no longer represents anyone from AZ but himself.
        The Tea Party SCARES the RINOS.
        The Tea party SCARES the Progressives.
        The Tea Party can't be bought, bargained, negotiated with, or co-opted.
        It's not an organization, it's an idea.
        An idea that can revive people who want to be heard from, not preached to.
        We have to take over the Republican Party like the Progressives took over the Democratic Party in the 1970's.
        From inside the party.
        It CAN be done.
        We need people to find a reason to vote FOR the GOP, like the Dem's voters find a reason to vote for their party.
        We are tired of being taken for granted.
        We are tired of being being talked down to, instead of being listened to.
        It's the only way America will survive the 21st Century intact as a Nation.

    • DragonFly34

      Dad66, I was a conservative republican and tomorrow bright and early Im quitting the repubs for independent to support the tea party. Obama has had his way because of the RINO's in the senate. Rove kinda forgets about them. Theres nothing wrong with the tea party and their getting conservatives elected. Tea baggers just started a couple of yrs ago when you couldnt get a repub elected so give us some time cause we're just getting started. And I love the name tea baggers, so you folks just keep doing what your doing which is nothing but talk,,,,

  • Screeminmeeme

    The fact that Rove opposes the Tea Party is reason enough for Conservatives to join it.

    • John Dunmar

      You conservatives created Rove. You're the ones who pushed him and Bush on the country and about destroyed it in the process. You have NO right to judge people for voting the opposite party into Power after you idiots voted Bush twice. Funny how many conservatives claim they DIDN'T vote for Bush now to save face. That just proves you are a bunch of LIARS to boot.

      • Ann Rand

        What ever you choose to believe, go ahead..We are on a Fast path to destruction thanks to you and the rest of the idiots who voted for this wannabe dictator... If you think his ideas are so wonderful, just look at how much fun the people in Cuba have had for the last 50 odd years.. They have been HUNGRY for at least 50 years.. Why do you think they try to come here on doors or anything that will float through shark infested waters?? It surely can't be because life is so wonderful there....Oh yes, we have every right to judge you fools for you are too stupid to understand what you are asking for. I am embarrassed for people like you who are so gullible.... Ps... If G. Bush is so awful, please tell me why ovomit is still using his policies four years later.. Could it be because he has none of his own ???

        • Friscolady

          Ann John is not even American. He has no more right to say anything about our politics as we don about his

        • Lars Ulric

          He has every right.... Didn't you know that court precedent in the U.S. establishes the fact that EVERYONE here has freedom of speech, not just citizens? ... Look it up you ignorant ho ,.

        • Friscolady

          John you really have to come up with better material if you are going to change screen names.

          Me think thou protest too much....LMAO!

        • Lars Ulric

          Shut your fat mouth lady

        • Friscolady

          Really John, you gotta do better.

        • Lars Ulric

          You too .... I'd say moving away from San Fran do worlds of good for you. Too many conservatives in that city.

        • CharlieFromMass

          Too many conservatives in San Francisco? That's the funniest thing I've read here in a long time. Thanks for a little smile.

        • Guest

          Sarcasm must escape you on a routine basis.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Fryer/100000156546455 Carol Fryer

          Yeah, that was funny. Are there ANY conservatives in San Francisco? lol That would be like living in a bad movie or a nightmare every single day. EEEEEEK!!!

        • CharlieFromMass

          On the bright side, it would probably be one of the horror movies that are so bad, it's almost comical.

          I have some family out that way; there are centrists and conservatives there, but they get drowned out in the sea of crazy.

        • Friscolady

          Amen to that one!

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.brashear.31 John Brashear

          Living in California IS living in a BAD movie,...thats why people are fleeing there in Droves......taxes and regulation are making life intolerable , question is, when all the MONEY leaves, what will you morons do to pay bills?, create your own money ?

        • redduke

          They are too big to fail. Texas and the rest of successful states will bail them out. Then we will have a real crisis. Careful what you wish for lefties, it may happen.

        • Friscolady

          God I hope not! As much as I love my home state I believe the only way to save it is let it fail, and then rebuild it from the bottom up - without the liberal trash that has ruined it, i.e. Jerry Brown, et al.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeanne-Ballard/100000592582613 Jeanne Ballard

          Texas and the rest of us will only bail out California with a gun to our head

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.lambert.79274 Mike Lambert

          cali pays more taxes to the goverment than 15 red states compbined

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.lambert.79274 Mike Lambert

          you people are retarts? all them good old red states take more money(handouts) from goverment than blue states. out of top 10 freeloader states 9 nine of them where red.and as far as texas being successful yeah if you own a company.texas is near the bottom for worker wages and have the most people with health insurance by percentage in country

        • Frank629


        • MARYANN33

          They will send the rest of us their bill for the illegals...Have fun trying to pay that....

        • Friscolady

          Only three others that I know of and I am related to all of them!

          But then again my husband, brother in law, and myself are all retired military! My sister is an attorney and she had to become a conservative as a matter of survival around the three of us! LOL!

        • Friscolady

          Now that was funny was it not Charles!

          There are days I think my hubby, brother in law, and sister and I are the only conservatives left in the city!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Carson/100000450210052 Joan Carson

          What is it about Obama's socialist Marxist policies that you admire? I wish some liberal could answer that - but doubt if they can. I even doubt they know the difference between a Republic of freedom and liberty or Socialism. I think everyone here, Lars, is interested in what it is about Obama you apparently admire. Most of us can see what and who he is. I assume you believe he is an American?

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.lambert.79274 Mike Lambert

          of course i know he is not a real american but unless you are an indian you also are not

        • http://www.facebook.com/KeithMcPhee2 Keith McPhee

          Damn Lars you are really showing your ignorance by what you just posted.

        • SickoftheBS

          Oh a liberal left troll to boot...

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.brashear.31 John Brashear

          the sign of a really intelligent person , no real argument just personal attacks, thats the MO of a true liberal progressive pinko commie

        • Frank629


        • PBrenda

          ooh.....showing his nasty self again....goes to prove, ya can't fix stupid

        • SickoftheBS

          another troll heard from

        • HappyClinger

          The Constitution does not "establish" freedom of speech or anything else. It PROTECTS individual rights, and makes it illegal for the government to trample on them. Who's the ignorant ho now?

        • Lars Ulric

          WTF are you talking about ... The constitution establishes the right to free speech. 1st amendment. GET a fking clue

        • Friscolady

          Only if you a U.S. Citizen or a foreign national living within the boundries of the United States and it territories do you have the protections of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

          You live in Australia John under Australian law. So unless the United States has taken over Australia you are bound by their law and U.S. law has absolutely no jurisdiction.

          And you are probably a 13 year old or less in age who wants to stick his nose where it does not belong.

          And judging from your language you mother would be ashamed of you and should wash your mouth out with soap!

        • Lars Ulric

          I'm a visitor to the U.S. from Australia and you don't know what you're talking about, as per usual. You are so uneducated and clueless on so many issues, it's sad. Didn't you ever take a CIVICS course when you were in high school or college???? Seriously ..Court precedent has established more than once that foreign citizens visiting the U.S. are offered the same protections under the constitution that everyone else is --except the two things that require one to be a citizen: Voting and being elected president. Do some READING for crying out loud. Stop showing your ignorance for once! Here's an article on the subject from Georgetown Law School :


          Seriously Frisco, stop being a DORK and LEARN something for once.

        • Friscolady

          John, John, John really you brought that paper up. LOL!

          If you are a foreign national in the U.S. you are subject to U.S. Law. When in Australia you are subject to Australian law.

          The key point is that you have to be physically within the confines of the U.S. or it's territories.

          But as usual you missed the finer point.

          You know nothing - go way - in fact go back to Australia!

        • Lars Ulric

          "The key point is that you have to be physically within the confines of the U.S. or it's territories."


          My GOD you are *****STUPID****

        • Friscolady

          I think you should read your posts again, you sure as heck did give the impression that you thought someone posting from overseas should have the same protections as citizens and foreign nationals within the borders of the U.S.

        • Lars Ulric

          No, absolutely not. You just ASSUMED I was in Australia when I made the comment. It was your false jump to conclusions.

        • Lars Ulric

          "You know nothing - go way - in fact go back to Australia!"

          No, I'm here in the U.S. for a purpose. PATH TO CITIZENSHIP baby. I'll be a citizen too thanks to upcoming "illegal alien" legislation.... Don't like it? TOUGH FKING LUCK BTCH

        • Friscolady

          No wonder you support Obama.

          Nuff said, as someone who earned her Citizenship back in 1975 then served in this countries military for twenty years as my way of thanking the people of this country - I even less use for you.

          And judging by you language, you need to learn some manners first.

        • Lars Ulric

          Apologies real and I'm done. I don't want to become that which I hate. You didn't deserve my remarks.

        • JIMBYONLY

          His mother was a wombat.

        • Friscolady

          First Ten Amendments to the Constitution is the Bill of Rights. The 1st Amendment by the fact that it is the FIRST Amendment is contained in the Bill of Rights. It amends the Constitution though it is considered separate to the Constitution.

          I think you better stick with Australian Law hopefully you know it better.

        • Friscolady

          Technically the Constitution puts limits on the power of the Federal Government and the Bill of Rights protects those rights given to us by God.

        • SickoftheBS

          He is a pathetic troll that cannot get a job, so he spends his days trolling for someone to talk to

        • JIMBYONLY

          His bro in DC sent him a PC to use in the hut in Kenya!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Fryer/100000156546455 Carol Fryer

          Great question. One side gains ground while the other side covers for them while pretending to object. Then they make these crazy laws and executive orders and the baton changes hands and they have that grenade over to the other party to blow us up with again, and it starts all over again. I voted for Bush , but was sorely dissappointed in him when he pulled the same amnesty scam that Obama is pulling now. First amnesty , then border enforcement and visa checks.....but the latter never comes. And it wont this time either. America has no defense against people walking in and taking it over and congress is wanting a piece of the action. $$$$$$

        • http://www.facebook.com/shirlee.tworek Shirlee Kurtz Gass-Tworek

          I like ovomit better than noboma!

      • RedMeatState

        so the Democrats are going to FINISH THE JOB!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1187127934 Sheila Simmons


      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000894948387 Sandy Jones

        John, you are so terribly uniformed, miss your welfare check yesterday?
        Source: "The National Interest" column in the Jan 9, 2006 "US News & World Report":
        Economic growth in the third quarter of 2005 was 4.1%.
        That was the 10th consecutive quarter with a growth rate of 3.0 or higher.
        The unemployment rate is 5.0%, lower than the average unemployment rate for the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.
        Since April of 2003 the economy has created 5.1 million new jobs.
        Core inflation is only 2.1%.
        Productivity growth for 2000-2005 is 3.4%, the highest of ANY five year period in FIFTY years!
        Remember also that the recession officially began in 2007, the same year the Democrats took control of congress.

      • fort9erdon

        I have never met a conservative who denies voting for Bush. No one is ashamed for doing so twice. Bush was a loyal American, and not a communist SOB, POS who buys his votes with tax dollars, and promises to black, lazy people!

        • docdave1

          Bush was a Fascist POS instead.

          How Prescott Bush helped Hitler's rise to power


          AntonySutton - Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler


          The right extreme being Fascism and the Left extreme being Communism; Either way, those in power retain power. They really don't care if it is right or left. It is a false paradigm, intended to entrap the
          human mind in a box of limited vision and questions. It may go back
          further than I'm going to talk about, but the early twentieth
          century social scientists who worked for the international banksters
          utilized it, and the international banksters funded both Trotsky who
          they sent to Russia, and Hitler in Germany through Prescott Bush, Herbert Walker, and Averell Harimon..

        • Disgusted Patiot

          Docdave point of fact, the Facist were National SOCIALIST!!! They were and are left wing, same street as the Commies but on the other side of the same street. Facism as conservatives is a myth created by left wing educators to make consevatives the villians in the late 40's and 50's. Look at facist policies, anti gun, eugenics (abortion and birthcontrol) big intrusive government and hatred of Christianity it is pretty much the modern Democrats in this country. So sorry to burst your rantings with annoying facts!

        • docdave1

          That's what I said. I'll say it again..The right extreme being Fascism and the Left extreme being Communism;
          Either way, those in power retain power. They really don't care if it is
          right or left. It is a false paradigm, intended to entrap the
          human mind in a box of limited vision and questions. It may go back
          further than I'm going to talk about, but the early twentieth
          century social scientists who worked for the international banksters
          utilized it, and the international banksters funded both Trotsky who
          they sent to Russia, and Hitler in Germany through Prescott Bush, Herbert Walker, and Averell Harimon..

          Based on the ORIGINAL paradigm of our Founders both Communism and Facism are THE SAME COIN..... but based on the politics of today they are stuck in the False left right paradigm...... which means Bush is NOT conservative, he is and was Fake Conservative AKA Neo (new) CON

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.brashear.31 John Brashear

          D.P. these morons are ALL about rewriting History, while erasing their Own.,...Google the Missing 52 Years of democratic History"....

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.brashear.31 John Brashear

          why not compare friends with obama, the George Soro's connection, and Bill Ayers, and the Many other Communists he rubbed elbows with, why not be fair and show obamas muslim background and why he refuses to call them what they are, Muslim Terrorists....for fear of "offending them", and calling for legislation to BAN negative talk on Islam and Mohammed, and Allah?, why did you leave those items out ?

      • kenpodoc

        The anger and ignorance in your tone speaks for itself.

        • Lars Ulric

          Conservatives doing things that warrant anger? Say it ain't so.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Machinski/626288942 John Machinski

        We didn't want the socialist Bush any more than we want the socialist presently holding the office.

      • http://www.facebook.com/luvmyusa Brt Tan

        I am a proud Bush supporter. The difference between Bush and Obama is Bush loves our Country our Military our Flag and the Constitution. Sorry I can not say that about Obama and the Liberal Socialist that are presently in this adminstration! Truth is in knowlege not in propaganda!

        • Derringer

          You people who supported SHRUB ruined the GOP. Thank you for that. You will never win national elections again! GOOD RIDDANCE

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.lambert.79274 Mike Lambert

          if he loved the country so much why didnt he try to stop 57,000 companies moving over seas taking a lot of good paying jobs( between 2000-2008)

      • Peaceful Patriot

        @ Dumbmar

        Most conservatives did not support many of Bush's policies as they were progressive, big government policies. The alternative in Gore was so repulsive that we voted Bush as the lesser of evils. We also do not support much of what Rove and his kind do. If this all keeps up, there will be a new party that emerges and the republican elite will join the progressive democrats. Such a move will have a difficult start overcoming the establishment; however, the American spirit is alive and a small majority are such conservatives.

        Obama is such an abomination to those of us that love the US Constitution that there will be a large pendulum swing right. You may continue to bash rather than be constructive; but, you will one day thank such patriots.

        • http://www.facebook.com/frank.patterson.902 Frank Patterson

          Peaceful Patriot, No one could have stated it any better!!!!

        • wminaz

          By the way, when was the last time (if ever) that Obama visited our wounded troops ? Just asking......

        • Derringer

          All the time ... The Obama's and Biden's have made caring for our injured troops a MUCH bigger priority than Bush ever did.

        • wminaz

          But you couldn't answer the question, could you?


        Mr. Dunmar, Try to sit down and do some research about what's really going on. You need factual information, it seems. I don't want to hurt your feelings, but you are the epitome (means perfect example) of the low-information voter.

      • kevin Thomas

        Mr. Dunmar,
        Wow, so you believe that conservatives created him. That's not correct,
        it is the lack of true conservatism that created this problem &
        folks like that mindset. Reagan was truly conservative. Bush Sr. &
        Jr. simply were not. They may have said otherwise but they are not. As
        soon as Bush Sr. became President, that was the beginning of the
        problems with the nation for a conservative path. He did not stay true
        to conservative principles nor did his son. They were both disappointing
        for anyone truly conservative. But that pales in comparison to the
        LIAR & THIEF who occupies the white house these days. Check your
        history, Rove is just a Lee Atwater wannabe. Enjoy it, this place is
        going to crash hard!

      • parkLitchfield212

        John Dunmar-
        The truth be told-
        The GOP voters who put W into office were given a choice between him and John McRINO, or voting for the Snake-oil Salesman from Tennessee.
        And then between the two so-called "conservatives" (again) on the GOP side or the War Criminal from Massachusetts.
        In other words, no real choice at all.
        And when W and his big government neo-cons were through acting like Dem's to placate Harry and Nancy, they left the economy in ruins, two wars in foreign countries, and RINOS in control of the Republican party.
        We're not liars, we're just not gonna support a bunch of progressive socialists/closet Communists.
        The conservatives wouldn't vote for another RINO like Rove's boy, Romney.
        They are tired of Republicans running the government like Democrats.
        So they stayed home.
        And you got your progressive/socialist back for a second term.
        We get the government we deserve.
        God bless America.

        • Lars Ulric

          You're calling Kerry a WAR CRIMINAL now? My god you people are pure evil.

        • parkLitchfield212

          Actually, if you watched and listened to his testimony to Congress in the 70's you would know that he considered his conduct and presence in VietNam to be the actions of a "War Criminal". So he called HIMSELF one.
          Does that make HIM evil?

        • Lars Ulric

          He didn't commit any war crimes per say, He was BEING HONEST about the tragedy that the U.S. was causing. You, as a conservative., of course DESPISE and absolutely HATE with a passion anyone who is honest, especially if that honesty ever paints the U.S. in a bad light. People like you are SICK in the head.

        • parkLitchfield212

          I'm actually a AZ Goldwater Libertarian, if you NEED to label me, there Lars.
          I can have issues with conservative policies, but have less arguments with them than with socialistic scolds like yourself. I DO despise the concept of international socialism, however, and find self rightous morons easy prey when they attempt to preach on these blogs.
          Which brings me folks like you, of course. When you can't agrue, you insult.
          You make the assumption that I, like you, will automatically DESPISE and absolutely HATE anybody wthat might not be in lockstep with your worldview.
          Not always. I mostly just mock and try to enlighten.
          The Honorable former Senator, and the current Secretary of State was simply a strawman, a show-pony mouthpiece for the anti-war organizations that put words in his mouth. He painted a picture of events with very broad strokes, and accused basically anybody who was sent over there as criminal participants, either actively or passively. So that should include himself, as a matter of fact.
          The U.S.put itself in a bad light at the time, and while I did my time in the military in those days, I did not support the reasons for that war, as they were given. But I never could respect his justifications for putting the blame of the war and how it was conducted on his fellow soldiers and sailors the callous way he did.
          He wasn't being honest, he was being coached by non-patricipants to accuse other military servicemen of crimes he didn't have enough time in country to see personally.
          He was a shill, a water-carrier for the Left at the time, who was paid off with 40-some odd years in Congress as a liberal water-carrier, an over the hill cypher,who then carried out a Presidential campaign that brought out all the hypocacy of his past, and
          is now a mouthpiece for the current administration.

      • Disgusted Patiot

        Really?? You really believe this? I voted for Mr Bush both times he ran because morally and ethically I could never vot for either John Kerry or that hypocrite Gore. Was Mr Bush a conservative? Your kidding, right? He was more liberal than I liked and I never liked Mr Rove. The current president, the knave Obama has spent more money than Mr Bush ever did leading us to bankruptcy and destruction of our money, he also regularly ignores the constitution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bob.macfarlane.75 Bob Macfarlane

        I assure you that I am a conservative and that I have had the privilage to vote for a Bush seven times. HW twice, W twice and Jeb three times. I have yet to find a conservative that claims to not have voted for HW or W in favor of the opposition.
        You though, as a typical liberal, throw crap against the wall to see if any will stick. "LIARS" seems to fit you better than we within the Tea Party.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.brashear.31 John Brashear

        John, snap out of it, the Liberals created Karl rove convincing him and others like John McCain, Linsey Graham, they needed to move to the left, now the Center is where the Left used to be, and Karl Rove is nothing more than a Power hungry "Elite" who cant stand the idea he, and his bunch are being targeted for removal or at best insignificant among those he used to have some clout with, and for YOUR information IDIOT few "Conservatives" are embarrassed for voting for Bush, under Bush it wasnt Great, but it's a HELL of a lot better than it currently is, and our debt was BIG but it wasn't putting US over the edge, and all these Trillions Your Lord and Savior has wasted have gotten us all what?......besides a BIGGER burden to hand to the Children...Moron.

      • http://www.facebook.com/shirlee.tworek Shirlee Kurtz Gass-Tworek

        I voted for President Bush And Proud of it! Talk about liars Nobama is one of the biggest liars I've ever heard. As far as ruining our country again Nobama runs circles around President Bush for ruining our USA. I don't know how to fix stupid

        but you people really are stupid!

      • GilbertDavis

        We voted for W because he is pro-life and pro-traditional marriage . He was conservative economically but with a moderate twist because of the war thrown at him and a stacked congress and senate his first term. Without the attack of 9-11, things would have been different with his policies . The ONLY reason we lost the presidency was because people like Rove, Medved , Ann Coulter, etc backed a MORMON . Mormons believe Jesus is the brother of the devil lucifer. Now tell me how born-again, evangelical and conservative real Christians can vote for or support a cult leader like that ? Mike Huckabee was the man for the job and would have won in a landslide , getting the conservative, Independent and Reagan democrats voting for him. Our second choices would be Santorum or Allen West . The GOP old guard cannot ever expect to win by pushing on us candidates we in the conservative non-cult Christian world, have no passion or enthusiasm for . Huckabee and The Fair Tax would have saved America from economic ruin and continued spiritual decay.

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnny.swade Johnny Swade

        You're a typical Lying, Liberal Moron........You are in the process of destroying the country right now, you idiots.....and don't mention Lying. that's what you liberals stand by. No facts, logic or common sense.

      • MARYANN33

        Bush was better than the alternatives the dems put up...Kerry???Please!!! Gore, oh my God no!!!!! We are in lock step with the devil in both corrupt parties.



    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1408443674 Mary Johnson

      LOL. Let's hope Karl Rove can do for do the Tea Party what he did for the Democrats. With enemies like him, we don't need friends.

    • jimmy72012


  • Carl jr

    The civil war has begun. It has been contained within the Republican party.

  • Screeminmeeme


    This just came to my attention and I am convinced that it is accurate information.
    John Brennan, appointed by Obama to head the CIA....CONVERTED TO ISLAM while he was CIA Station Chief in Saudi Arabia in the mid-90s! This fact is CONFIRMED by US gov officials who were also in Saudi Arabia at the time when Brennan was there and they have direct knowledge of his conversion.

    I have been suspicious of him for years because acting in his capacity of Counter-terrorist Advisor to Obama, he has advocated FOR The Muslim Brotherhood, given ACCESS to the National Security Council to CAIR, the ISLAMIC SOCIETY of NORTH AMERICA,(the leading MB entitity in America), and has publicaly thanked Hamas jihadists for their advice on American policies. He has placed Islamists into positions in which they access to intelligence. And he has consistently refused to called Islamic terrorism by that name.

    His policies and behavior are consistent with his being a Muslim, an Islamic sympathizer....ad he is unfit for the office of CIA Director.

    PLEASE...go here and listen to this..start at 10:50 and listen thru 52 mark. A man with impeccable credentials and whose reputation is beyond reproach talks about it.

    If you would have told me on 911 that nearly years later our government would be infiltrated by Muslims....and that the President, his main advisor, Valerie Jarrett, and the head of the CIA would all be Muslims....I would have said...impossible...will never happen. How wrong I was.

    But it HAS happened because Americans have been asleep at the wheel and permitted the left to usher in the Islamization of our country.

    PLEASE....listen to the information and PASS IT ON to your Senators and Representatives and to everyone you know.


    BTW...The man revealing this information is John Guandolo, a former FBI agent, with an impressive resume, access to the highest levels of government, and an impeccable reputation for truthful reporting.

    • Carl jr

      John Guandolo is a former FBI agent that was forced to resign in disgrace due to his "unprofessional conduct". Since then he has made his living being a professional bigot depending on anti-Muslim hate to sustain his livelihood. He has an atrocious reputation for "truthful reporting" which is why you will not hear his conspiracies repeated by actual journalists.

      • Screeminmeeme

        Carl jr. I expected that from the left. You have issue with Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer and their philandering but you reject Guandolo and his informed opinions about our enemy.

        What a fool you are to dismiss what he has to say . Anyone paying attention can clearly see Obama's pro-Islamic bias, and his advocacy for the faith and the Muslim Brotherhood.

        What journalists are talking about? You mean the bootlicking sycophants who anointed Obama for office and carried water for him by suppressing the truth?

        Integrity is an alien concept to them.

        • Carl jr

          I advocate freedom. For all Americans. You do not. You wish to suppress individual liberties guaranteed to every citizen because of your hatred of other religions.

          As much as the right staunchly defends the second amendment, it attacks the first. THIS is the internal struggle within the Republican Party. It is the attack of the Evangelicals against the conservatives.

          Karl Rove and the conservative Republican Party saw what happened during the election cycle. When the Tea Party first started, they made a lot of sense. But they were quickly taken over by wealthy evangelicals who spent their way into the Republican base. These new voices wanted to pass religion-based laws. The original Tea Party was about smaller government, about government overreach and corruption. This new Christian Tea Party would cause corruption by funding candidates that would support direct assaults on the First Amendment. They would fund anyone who held their view on passing these unconstitutional laws. Sometimes it meant extremists that knew nothing about government, nothing about budget, and nothing was too extreme to say. Rape Hitler Slut Fag Nazi all words that seemed ok to say to voters. It was more important to discuss these religious topics than to show any interest or plan regarding our financial disaster. Smaller government? This was not the Tea Party I knew.

          But you know who did sound like the original Tea Party? Ron Paul. He talked about how MOST things are really none of the government's business and that whole sections of the government should be shut down. That we should focus on the budget - not gays or birth control.

        • Screeminmeeme

          Carl jr........Because I know a lot about Islam, I oppose it...vigorously. If it were just another benign religion, I would have no issue with it. But you are living in an illusory world if you think that Muslims...Quran-obeying Muslims...are not trying to Islamize America. It is like no other religious system in its totalitarian views of world domination and hatred of everything non-Muslim.

          And given the ascendancy of Islam in America, you will see the 'moderate' Muslims fall into line because they know that if they don't they will be sought out as hypocrites and be killed...which is what the Quran teaches.

          It's the left that has limited the free speech of many by forcing political correctness down our throats. If you speak the truth about Obama's Marxist policies, you are charged with racism and hate-speech.....and if you speak the truth about Islam, you are called an islamophobe and racist (tho race has nothing to do with Islam). The left wants everyone to just shut the hell up and conform to whatever they want.

          Well, some of us take a dim view of that.

          It's strange to me, Carl, that you never seem to acknowledge the systemic abuse of women and children that is prevalent in Islam..or its persecution of non-Muslims throughout the world. Where's all that liberal compassion?

          I truly hope that I'm wrong, but I believe strongly that the day is coming when you and those like you who have hidden their heads in the sand, will finally wake up and be faced with the choice to convert to Islam or die.

          Do I hate Muslims? No. I pity them because they have been blinded by evil teaching.

          Do I hate Islam? Absolutely....just like I hate all evil and wickedness.

    • Screeminmeeme

      John Guandolo is a 1989 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy who served nearly seven (7) years as an active duty Infantry/Reconnaissance officer in the United States Marine Corps. He served in 2d Battalion, 2d Marines in combat operations in Operations Desert Shield/Storm, and with 2d Force Reconnaissance Compay as a Unit Leader and Assistant Operations Officer.

      In 1996, Mr. Guandolo resigned his commission in the Marine Corps and joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), serving at the Washington Field Office. From 1996-2000, he primarily conducted narcotics investigations domestically and overseas.

      In 2001, he served for one year as the FBI Liaison to the U.S. Capitol Police investigating threats on the President, Vice-President, Members of Congress and other high-level government officials. Shortly after 9/11, Mr. Guandolo began an assignment to the Counterterrorism Division of the FBI’s Washington Field Office developing an expertise in the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic Doctrine, the global Islamic Movement, and a myriad of terrorist organizations to include Hamas, Al Qaeda, and others.

      In 2006, Mr. Guandolo created and implemented the FBI’s first Counterterrorism Training/Education Program focusing on the Muslim Brotherhood and their subversive movement in the United States, Islamic Doctrine, and the global Islamic Movement. He was designated a “Subject Matter Expert” by FBI Headquarters. This course was hailed as “groundbreaking” by the FBI’s Executive Assistant Director in a brief to the Vice President’s National Security Staff. For his efforts, in 2007 Mr. Guandolo was presented the “Defender of the Homeland” Award by U.S. Senators John Kyl and Joseph Lieberman on behalf of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C.

      While in the FBI, Mr. Guandolo received two (2) United States Attorney’s Awards for Investigative Excellence.

      Mr. Guandolo served on the Washington Field Office SWAT team for over nine years and as its Team Leader for three of those years. He was a certified Undercover Agent, and served in a variety of assignments in that capacity. Mr. Guandolo was a Nationally Registered Paramedic, a First Aid Instructor, and served as an “Advanced Capability Medic” with the FBI.

      His career has included significant overseas travel to include many areas of Africa, Southwest Asia, Europe and elsewhere. In his last year and a half in the FBI, Mr. Guandolo served on a Surveillance Unit.

      Mr. Guandolo currently works advising governments – U.S. and others - on matters related to National Security, specifically the threat from the Global Islamic Movement. He actively advises members of Congress, law enforcement, the intelligence community, military, National Guard, key community leaders, and others.

      He is an adjunct instructor at the Joint Forces Staff College and the U.S. Army War College, and is one of the authors of the “Shariah – The Threat to America,” the first comprehensive book on the threat from the Islamic Movement in the U.S. He has appeared on television and radio, and regularly publishes articles related to these matters in a number of media outlets.

      • Carl jr

        "They do not have a First Amendment right to do anything," Guandolo said.

        I don't need to know anything more.

  • RedMeatState

    This is a fight the Establishment RINO GOP has already lost!!

    • Carl jr

      A win-win for Democrats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1357194789 Kathie Rosky

    I would like to see the Tea Party - constitutionalists replace the RNC. The RNC have done nothing for the people for years. There are some up and coming Tea Party people that are showing their strength and not afraid to stand up for what they believe in.

    • dhabeck

      Count Rand Paul as one of them. This a man to watch,.He is about the only one," with the man parts", in the Senate along with Michelle Backman in the house (who by the way has more of these parts than the rest of the House members.) Both of them seem to have a love for our country and the rest of their countrymen.

  • Lars Ulric

    4 more years of Obama. SUCK IT UP!

  • Lars Ulric

    4 more years of Obama. SUCK IT UP!.

  • Lars Ulric

    4 more years of Obama. SUCK IT UP!...

  • Lars Ulric

    4 more years of Obama. SUCK IT UP!!

  • Lars Ulric

    4 more years of Obama. SUCK IT UP!!!!

  • Lars Ulric

    Conservatives are the losers of America. SUCK IT UP!

  • S K

    Mr Rove, we thank you for your past service, but your time has come and gone. Go away quietly and with dignity. You are a RINO of the first degree and we out here in the heartland are mighty tired of being ignored by the Republican elites such as yourself.

  • USARetired

    Karl Rove has becoma an 'Assss Wipe' and a blight to American politics!

  • ginger

    Rove is fighting for his political life...time for him to give it up and forget fighting conservatives and just go ahead and join the Dems...we don't want him or his white board,

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1187127934 Sheila Simmons

    Boy Howdy...that Obama! Whatta Uniter!

  • TheTexasCooke

    Carl-bob....you just murdered the Republican Party....you don't want the conservatives, fine....we don't want you either!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Stoops/100001434293299 Dave Stoops

    I just put my own magnetic sign on my tailgate that says, "RETIRE ROVE"

  • DrBillLemoine

    No doubt the pendulum is swinging back to the middle and away from the extreme. There are 2 points to consider. Is Rove the man to lead a changed conservative cadre? When the swing back is completed, is there still a Republican Party?

    2010 was the high water for extremism going to congress and state houses/legislatures. Regression to the mean is expected. But the policies haven't changed, nor have the faces. Rove is indelibly aligned with Bush2 spending and deregulation policies that tanked the country. Nobody wants to spend back to oblivion for jobs, economics and social policies.That's Rove. But Ryan, Priebus and Issa haven't filled the void of Bush/Cheney. McConnell and Boehner are weak, not controling the party. Rubio and Bush3 and Christie aren't widely known and trusted by independents and Obama republicans.

    No, the right must wander in the wasteland for many more election cycles till someone with credentials and no backward connections arises, maybe 2024.

  • bhudda

    It's all about Karl Rove he got spanked at fox news now he's looking for the lime lite to assure he isn't as worthless as people say . It may work but probably not.

  • jerry1944

    If he is for a canidate i must be against them rove and bonehead will rake the gop down we need a conservative 3rd party that stands for for conservative unlike the gop who react to the main stream media like they do those that beleave in GOD The gop isnt much better than the libs

  • Arkansas Girl

    Rove is a Idiot and I think he is a democrate in republican clothes.....I do think that Rep's no longer and have not got what it is to be the working class, who by the way, is expected to pay for all the junk that government doles out on things we would never pay for such as abortions, cell phones, financial aide to our enemies, the list just goes on and on.....
    I believe that the Tea Party cares for our country and the constitution and I for one am proud to be a Tea Party backer.

  • Jimmee41

    You can expect more of the same with the re-election of Reince "Flap Jaw" Priebus as RNC chair. The ones who re-elected this guy are the ones that need to be targeted.

  • pysco

    I'm not a member of the Tea Party....Rove can kiss my Ess, the GOP left the conservatives out in the cold.....Until, GOP returns to Conservative ideals, and push for Small government, conservatives will keep leaving the GOP.....

  • Richard

    Lets quite with all the mud slinging and get this show on the road -we have only a short time before the Mid Term Elections and this bickering back and forth has to stop or its Obama all over again,Or one just like him; So Am I Heard??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Casas/1530991238 Donna Casas

    Today on TV he said his group has always supported tea party candidates. Maybe he has gotten so much heat, he decided to change his mind. Typical politician.

  • mikeledo

    The Koch brothers' grass roots funded Tea Party is toast without big money.

  • viking

    First; coup. Second; install Rand Paul.
    Problem solved.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jayne-Nielsen/100000024501720 Jayne Nielsen

    This is what happens when you start compromising your values. The GOP is no longer the Red party. The GOP has become the color Purple thanks to the good ol boys club. The establishment have taken this Party down a lukewarm path compromising the traditional Conservative values the GOP was originally founded on. And I believe President Reagan would have stood up against Karl Rove.
    The Republican good ol boys club has sold itself out to Liberal pressures and now with the Tea Party trying to rein in these sell-outs, it's obvious the establishment is refusing to reliquish control. These guys are NOT looking out for what's best for America or Conservative Republicans. They are looking out for what THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
    Like Dr. Benjamin Carson so eloqently stated during his speech at the 2013 National Prayer Breakfast, "By hook or by crook, they want to win at all cost". It's time fo the good ol boys club to go. America deserves better and Conservative Republicans WANT better!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Smith/1603220294 John Smith

    Karl R and the GOP Establishment may be the reason America has a Marxist President who is cutting away at the Constitution like a buzz saw. Thanx you Rowe Estabishment types. Go to Hell..
    You know, they sound so much like Obama they may be all "friended" up with the Marxists to try and win a place in Obama's Kingdom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Fuller/1290373399 George Fuller

    Rove is a big supporter of mass immigration bringing an endless stream of uneducated, unskilled and non English speaking people into the day in and day out....find a republican in the bunch......

    We are teh third largest populated country in the world.....should we continue to bring in more immigrants every year than all other countries combined?........It made sense when we had lands to settle generations ago but we are now awash in immigrants and they are settling into barrios all over the country.....We will never solve the poverty problem importing it non stop.

    I don't understand the logic........it won't take many million more poverty level immigrants and the republicans will cease to be a national party......CA is gone........TX is next.....then say goodbye Republicans.....You would think Rove is a Democrat

  • kenhowes

    Take it back to 1940. The establishment wing of the GOP, that year, was anxious to prevent Robert Taft from becoming the party's presidential nominee. So they brought out of nowhere a man whose Republican bona fides were questionable but whose willingness to take his marching orders from them was unquestionable. They spent the next four presidential primary campaigns devoted to the effort to defeat Taft. Indeed, their desire to defeat Taft in the primaries outweighed their desire to beat FDR, Truman or Stevenson in the general elections. Ike in 1956 and Nixon in 1960 were automatic candidates, as the incumbent president and then his vice-president who had acted as president repeatedly because of Ike's health problems.

    1964 was one of the watersheds, for three reasons. One was that, for the first time, the choice of the conservative wing, Barry Goldwater was nominated. Another was that the establishment showed exactly what loyal Republicans they were. Most of them refused to campaign for Goldwater or even endorse him. They did not have their county organizations work for him. Most of them sat on their hands during that election; a few even endorsed Johnson. Third, Goldwater did one thing that has hurt the party ever since; he spoke out against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He was the only Republican senator to do so, but black voters took his opposition to the act as the whole party's endorsement of Jim Crow, and no Republican presidential candidate has gotten even a decent share of the black vote since, and every Democratic presidential victory since has been possible only because their margin among black voters was so one-sided as to outweigh the rest of the vote.
    A united party in 1968 and 1972 elected Nixon twice, but in 1976, it was the same confrontation, this time between Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. For ran and lost. In 1980, Reagan's margin over Jimmy Carter obscured something else. John Anderson, a liberal Republican, was getting, in the Northeast, what had been the liberal Republican vote. In the Midwest, he was drawing off more Democrats, but in the Northeast he was drawing off Republicans. The liberal and moderate Republicans voted Republican two last times in 1984 and 1988. Since then, they have ceased to exist as a voting bloc. Even though the last two candidates have come from the moderate wing of the party, the former bases of liberal Republicanism--the suburbs of New York, Boston, Hartford and Philadelphia, and the silk-stocking neighborhoods of various cities--voted for Obama. The children of the liberal Republicans are liberal Democrats.
    But a handful of older, very rich people remain in the Republican party. They no longer make up a very large part of the party, but they are a very, very large part of the party's fund-raising. When a moderate Republican candidate is running, he can go to dinners and parties on the Upper East Side, Beacon Hill or Nob Hill, and fill a room with people who give him the maximum checks allowed and will form PAC's and 527 organizations who give him a whole lot more money. That enables them to set themselves up as the strongest candidate in Republican primaries.
    Part of the problem in 2012 was that, in the primaries, there was a horde of conservative candidates splitting up the vote, while Romney gained momentum. Another part of the problem was simply that most of the conservative candidates weren't really very distinguished, and the one who clearly was--Newt Gingrich--carried too much baggage. Gingrich would have whipped Obama in debates, but on election day, people would have said, "A man on his third marriage is the family candidate?" and voted for Obama or stayed home.
    In 2016, we can see the lines being drawn again. But this time the conservatives have an obvious candidate, and they should unite behind him with everything they've got. That's Marco Rubio. The establishment will probably try to sell us Chris Christie, who's about the only big name they have left. If Rubio should for some reason stumble, the conservative bench is incredibly deep for 2016: Bob McDonnell, Kelly Ayotte, Scott Walker, Mitch Daniels, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, and more. But they mustn't all run and divide the conservative vote in the primary.
    The fact is that the conservatives have only nominated the candidate three times: Goldwater once and Reagan twice. Goldwater was slaughtered; Reagan won big twice.

    • kenhowes

      To be clear, Bush I was of the party establishment; Bush II wasn't, but he liked spending way too much.

    • CharlieFromMass

      Interesting history lesson. Thanks for sharing.

    • Max

      Reagan raised and lowered taxes, was not anti abortion, spoke out against certain type of guns....conservative. Think twice. Delusions of old men live on. Goldwater. Big time hero.

    • NoU4EN

      Doesn't Rubio have the same "natural born" issues that Obama - with parents who were not U.S. citizens? Knowing what we know about liberals - they turn on a dime when it comes to dismissing citizenship criteria when it comes to their side and then embracing that same criteria when it involves conservatives.

      • kenhowes

        Rubio is a natural born citizen. He was born in the United States. Because of that, his parents' nationality doesn't matter. Obama doesn't really have a problem on that count, either. While I have my doubts about that Hawaii birth certificate, it doesn't matter; no one questions that his mother was a US citizen. If EITHER of your parents is a US citizen, OR you were born in the United States, you are a natural born citizen. My daughter was born in Germany. I am a US citizen. Her mother is a German citizen. My daughter is a natural born citizen.
        The only real question on Obama's citizenship isn't where he was born, because he's a citizen through his mother. It's what he did when he was 18. The question has been raised whether he became an Indonesian citizen at or after the time that Mr. Soetoro adopted him. Then, at the time he applied to Occidental College: did he apply for aid as a foreign student? Indonesian citizenship plus assertion of his foreign citizenship in order to obtain financial aid might add up to a renunciation of his US citizenship. He can't lose his US citizenship by reason of Mr. Soetoro's adoption of him, but if he, claiming citizenship in another country, renounced his citizenship in the US--well, then that's a problem. But this is almost all speculation. I'm about 99% sure that Obama's a citizen.
        The basic way to approach this is--would the person have to be naturalized to become a citizen?

        • dhabeck

          The law states Born of (2) citizen parents

    • dhabeck

      Say it isn't so....Rubio is no more eledgable than the "Great Pretender" that calls himself our President. (Remember, Born of two (2) citizen parents.) his were not Rubios that is) citizens when he was born, nor was Anchor Baby a law as of then....(besides that was something that never should have been a law to start with......)

      • kenhowes

        Rubio is entirely eligible. As far as "anchor baby" being law, all persons born in the United States have been natural born citizens since the Fourteenth Amendment, which goes back to the post-Civil War era, so it's been the law for over 140 years.

        Obama's eligible unless someone can show that his conduct when he applied to Occidental College constituted a renunciation of his US citizenship. His mother was a citizen and had been a resident of the US for periods of time totalling over five years before his birth, and more than two of those years had been since her fourteenth birthday.

        The arguments over Obama's eligibility are a nonstarter except for the one possibility I've noted, and you'll never get your hands on the proof of that. I wish as much as you that this person were not our president; but he is, and he's going to be until January 20, 2017. The best thing we can do now is urge our party to have serious counterproposals that aren't suicidal politically, and get organized for 2016.
        You can't beat something with nothing, and when Romney wouldn't say much about what he'd cut, he was trying to do exactly that. Obama didn't win this time because he got a lot of votes. He did get a lot of votes in 2008, but last year he got seven million fewer votes than he did in 2008. If even half of those seven million had shifted to Romney, and he'd held all the votes McCain got, he'd have won the election. But about 800,000 fewer people voted for Romney than voted for McCain.
        Romney lost because a whole lot of people who want nothing to do with Obamacare, or Obama's gay rights initiatives, or Obama's desire to create an open border on the Mexican border, or Obama's gun control, or Obama's taxes, or Obama's anything, decided they also wanted nothing to do with a guy who seemed to be just a rich guy trying to line the pockets of other rich guys, while holding 47% of the people in contempt. That picture wasn't accurate, but it was the Obama campaign's narrative, and there was just enough truth in it that most people bought it. So millions of Republicans and conservatives stayed home and gave Obama the election.
        Lesson to the Republican Party--stop ignoring conservatives, and start getting a real ground game out there. Lesson to the people who stayed home--are you really happy now?

  • TLady62

    In short, those of us who live in the Real World have had enough of people like Karl Rove who condescendingly sneer at Conservatives with their cynical narratives. We're fed up with being forced to vote for candidates who do not share our values.

    • Derringer

      Candidates who share your insane/nutty values would fare MUCH MUCH worse in national elections against democrats. This whole 2012 campaign was based around the nutty things tea party candidates kept saying - You are the very reason Romney lost. Thank you for that. You have my eternal gratitude.

      • TLady62

        Have you ever bothered to read the U.S. Constitution? Perhaps you should. Not being disrespectful (like you were to me), but just making a suggestion.

  • nancy miller

    I have read that GW really thinks that Rove is an intelligent valuable person. My opinion is that the country was so very fortunate that GW was the President when the towers were hit; however, I do not share his opinion of Rove. He has outlived his usefulness in politics and not only because he dislikes women. His ego wrecks him for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.hunter.904 Tom Hunter

    Excellent points. However, the derogatory description you gave of the "Tea Party" folks is , I hope not taken seriously. There are millions of people from all walks of life and socio - economic levels who already are "Tea Party" people, they just don't realize it. After all of the slams and slanders from all sorts of media, they think the "Tea Party" is a bad racist group and want nothing to do with it. What the media has done is purely the politics of destruction. A clear thinking person could see that both major parties are scrapping fiercely to gain or maintain power at any cost. Mainly, the cost is upon the taxpayers and citizens of the Country who lose more rights and individual economic power every day that the status quo exists. Using every dirty trick in the book is the "New Normal" for todays major parties.. I encourage "Tea Party" people who lean toward either of the major political parties to infiltrate both major parties or contact your Reps. frequently and work from within to bring things to a return to common sense and "Statesmanship" instead of dirty politics and the ruination of our Country from within our own Gov't. A major percentage of the current crop of political representation is either extremely incapable of doing the job , or they are extremely corrupt. The end result is the same. We, as citizens LOSE. A stand alone "Tea Party" as a political party will not very likely succeed because, as soon as the numbers and influence of the "Tea Party" become very evident in an undeniable way, the media will go all out against it, and if that doesn't de-rail it, the rats in whichever major party stands to lose first, will jump ship and switch to the other party to maintain their power in numbers as the status quo in an attempt to squash the "Tea Party" movement. It is, afterall, a mindset and philosophy. Not a political party.

    • Max

      TEA PARTY FAVORABILITY 28%. yee haw. You guys are awesome. Loved by all. Go get those pinko commies. String up on the town square. YEA HAW.

  • drrgp

    But isn't the underlying logic of Mr. Rove's strategy to win by, to follow the William F. Buckley rule, nominating, in each race, the "most conservative candidate who can win"? This would stand in contrast to nominating candidates who manage to lose absolutely "winnable" races, for example (noting only senate races), Angle (spelling?) in Nevada, O'Donnell (spelling?) in Delaware, and the world-class screwball in Missouri who threw away a double-digit lead to loss to a very, very weak incumbent by running his mouth about how rape is unlikely to result in pregnancy. What kind of idiot would even get into this kind of conservation? To Mr. Rove's credit, I think he actually wants to see Republicans win for a change. How bad is that? Even a "moderate" Republican is preferable to a Democrat.

  • Alan

    The liberals are laughing at us as we are divided from within because of this recent democratic-engineered debacle between "establishment GOP" vs Tea Party . If people did their homework and not listened to the liberal media, they would know that Karl Rove is responsible for orchestrating numerous Tea Party candidate key-victories within the last few years and is not at all opposed to the Tea Party establishment.

    Just because he strategically may have opposed one Tea Party candidate for victory's sake, does not mean he is an anti-Tea Party tyrant, not too mention - not one person can bring forth any piece of evidence that he is even opposed to the Tea Party at the least bit.

    In a time where the Republican Party should be united, instead we are divided. The majority of Independents and Libertarians have for the most part already ditched us because they were never really with us, and now we have our most loyal and strong conservative voters that are looking for an exit now because of this mythological war that the liberal media has created to shrink our base even more. Do you get the picture yet?

    The Tea Party cannot survive outside the Republican Party, and the Republican Party cannot survive without the Tea Party, it's a two way street. Instead of demonizing each other, let us come together and keep an eye on the real adversaries.

    • NoU4EN

      You're kidding, right? Rove and his super PAC were responsible for the systematic destruction of all the other GOP candidates and the propping up of Mitt Romney as the candidate. Ditto McCain's campaign. Romney didn't even put up a good fight. During the campaign, it was said that the goal of the GOP establishment was to gain Congressional seats - not to win he presidency. Romney was given ample opportunity to highlight Obama's dismal record - he failed miserably. Romney was like a stick man.

    • Derringer

      "The Tea Party cannot survive outside the Republican Party, and the Republican Party cannot survive without the Tea Party"

      About the only truth I've seen come from you conservatives on here. You are so right and it makes me GIDDY knowing that you will never unite. There are SANE, rational, moderate republicans and INSANE, Far right, religious fundamentalist, wacko tea party -- You NEED each other but you hate each other -- thus you will never win national elections again. Tea party nuts are the best thing to ever happen to America. You'll never get a chance to hoist another idiot like Bush on America again! GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001399642471 Karol Smith

    Demonizing the Tea Party for every disagreement is nonsensical. The GOP elite need to get out of D.C. and go to a few Tea Party meetings, meet and talk with the people there and LISTEN to what is being said. This is no lunatic movement. We are simply tired of overspending by BOTH parties, and want some honest action to correct the problems brought on us by Obama and his ilk. With Rove, it's all about money. With the Tea Party, it's all about AMERICA and restoring a strong economy, balanced budget (let's HAVE a budget), and successful candidates with backbone and honesty.

  • Kait

    I wish Rove would go away. I blame him in good part for having the president we now have. He consistently backs candidates that cannot win against the left's barrage of tactics.

  • Roy

    Republican party has become a RINO in near totality. Conservative it is not. Progressive
    is a better description of its politics. Choosing McCain and Romney proves that.
    I cannot find one individual that supported either as a candidate. Most
    stayed home and didn’t vote at all. I am
    a member of the county election board and realized that the republicans were
    not going to win. McCain more liberal than conservative and Romney the
    originator and supporting Obama care. There were candidates that could have put
    Obama back in Chicago with his best friend Rohm corrupting the local government
    with his Nazi manifesto. We don’t need a third part we need a replacement party
    that will uphold the constitution and reinstate the values of Christian America.
    We are tolerant of all faiths but will not be replaced by these progressive churches
    that have evolved in the past 75 years. Immorally
    of the hippy 50’s driven by the socialist governments of the 40’s has become
    the standard culture of today. Put the cloths back on our women and the men
    back into the workplace to support their families. Recend all the welfare laws
    and let the charities provide for the poor instead of making their CEO’s rich

  • Max

    We liberals DO LOVE Karl Rove. He's been screwing you guys for years. Picking your candidate and playing y like an old violin.. I doubt the good old Kochs will desert him a d throw their. Only at losers anyway. Tea party favorability 28%. I would suggest you smoke some weed in one ofmthose vaporizers they now advertise on your web sites and eat some of that good old chicken. Keep your guns locked and loaded against any sneaky Japs. Lol. HHHHAAAA. LOVE YA KARL

    • MyronJPoltroonian

      Ahem, My Dear "Mad (as a hatter) Max",
      Yer in our ⨁'s Maxie. Have a nice, peaceful day. Now nights? That's another story.

  • http://twitter.com/rockynickydog rockynickydog

    The Tea Party are the ones who are responsible for the Republicans taking control of the House in 2010. That is the reason conservatives should stick together and run some good candidates in 2014. They have won me over.

  • sgtshel

    This almost sounds like somebody got to 'good old Rovebe!' Like somebody on the 'left' or even Obambe!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000000541834 Ted Smith

    Karl Rove is absolutely right. Last year, according to a Tea Party activist, some 4 million teapots sat on their hands and did not vote for Mitt Romney because he wasn't "conservative" enough.
    BO got 62,611,250 of the popular votes. Romney got 59,134,475 votes, 3,476,775 votes less than BO. If those 4 million teapots had gone to the polls and voted like good Republicans instead of sitting on their hands like uber-con rhinos, Romney would have won the popular vote by 523,225 votes.
    I wonder what part of "stupid" the Teapots don't understand.

  • Caddy

    It's because of Rove that I had the Republican Party remove my name from their mailing & phone call list. Republican Party will not get anymore donations from me. Only The Tea Party, & individuals fighting for things that mean a lot to me, like Joe Arpio, pro-life, fighting for our 2nd Ammendment rights, etc...God Bless America & All of Her People

  • Max

    Did you guys know Rove is financed by Soros. Yea that is absolutely true.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Peacock/100001241183282 David Peacock

    PENIS HEAD is gong to lose this battle just like he has lost all the election predictions since 2010;; go home and beat your ugly wife ROVE;;

    • Derringer

      A disgustingly ugly person like yourself calling OTHER people ugly. Pot, meet kettle.

  • noelle2013

    I have had ENOUGH OF ROVE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lee.treese Lee Treese

    It was not carl rove or the tea party that caused the defeat. It was the the comunity orginizers on the left showing peope without brains and the dead how to vote twice. Voter fraud was rampent. Now the left is very happy that the people on the right are at each others throats. Common people letr get it togeather. Lets stop blaming each other and unify. We will not win like this.

    • Lars Ulric

      BS ..complete and utter bs. Lee, you are a G damned liar. The *ONLY* people being criminally charged voting twice are republicans. LOOK IT UP YOU FOOL. It happened in Nevada and elsewhere. Type in google "GOP voter fraud nevada, oregon, ohio" ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacqueline.lynn.940 Jacqueline Lynn

    Let Rove and the rest of his mummified cronies totter off on thier own. There is a clean fresh wind blowing through the party. Call it the Tea Party, The CommonSense Party- call it what you will! It is made up by the widespread likes of Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and so on. It is made up of Americans who DO BELIEVE in GOD AND COUNTRY. It is made up of people who DO BELIEVE OUR REPUBLIC IS A LIVE AND VIABLE ENTITY! It is made up of people who DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT IS ENTITLED TO MORE THAN HALF OF WHAT ONE EARNS. OR THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE RIGHT TO ECIDE WHEN, WHERE AND HOW MUCH MEDICAL TREATMENT WE ARE ENTITLED TO!
    It is made up of those who believe we WERE once the SHINING CITY ON THE HILL AND THAT WE CAN BE AGAIN.
    So, Carl, take your stultified, elitist attitudes and those who follow you and wonder off to be a footnote in American history!

  • QuisPercusit

    I quit being a Republican When The only guy they coould run for President in 2008 was John McCain. But I did support Mitt "the Mormon More Man" Romney. I never was a Democrat , cause LBJ tried to get me killed in Vietnam so Lady Bird could get rich. Both of those NWO front organizations leave a lot to be desired. Tea is good, I like Liptons, Tetley and Celestial Seasons Red Zinger the Best , Bags are good they hold the tea so it don't git stuck between yer teef. Parties are fun and are usually safer than say a mob or a riot. Depending on the theme of the party it can be beneficial to all who attend and they are a great change from the same old Rhetoric, hot air, hyperbola, histrionics and hysteria of Long standing Liberal leaning political parties. Tea Party to night, Tea Party from now on, Tea Party forever.

    • HappyClinger

      Rush said a few weeks ago that it probably wasn't good strategy for the Repubs to nominate a candidate in 2012 who lost the primary to John McCain in 2008. Indeed.

      • QuisPercusit

        The Republican party arn't smart enough to play the FRD/Alinsky democrat game, they lack: perserverence, intestinal fortitude, cunning, ruthlessness, high speed low drag intelectual fire power and they don't own any major media outlets, and they sevrerely lack lcriminality enough to play Chicago mob style politics; for they have no International labor union backing. Tea Partiers got guns, bullets, guts, and Intelectual cunning enough to play almost every game in the book . They just don't have the Major Bucks in the banks or corperate vaults to front a lot of Ingenious schemes and such, so they rely on grass roots people to people and the internet which the NWO is trying to control so they can't .

      • QuisPercusit

        True; the Republicans need to realize that the next election is all bought and paid for, for all intents and purposes by the NWO Progressive socialist democrats and the Obamafraud Alinskyists. They have many candidates to choose from if Obamafraud does not do away with the second and twenty second amendments. Hitlery Kilintonislav, Napoleon Bloomberg of NYC, any number of leftisst congress persons and lets not leave out the lesser known but vileestof them all Rham Emanual, Eldtrige Cleaver, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters (ha) and that crowd.
        Naw the Republican National committee has shot its wad unless they whole heartedly embrase the tea people and start kicking political correctness to the curb and diversity under the bus and start supporting STATES RIGHTS on every issue there is. to support.

  • disqus_lJapfzCIUh

    Mitt Romney lost because of that ONE fatal mistake....He and the Elite Rove dissed the Tea Party from the convention...and dissed also the Ron Paul followers...so....people just did not vote for Romney....We lost big time and a fraud was reelected...Rove wasted $350 Millions and for what? NO one endorsed by him won...Tea Party has Ted Cruz...Deb Fisher...Jeff Flake...and others...In 2010 the Tea Party brought the House from oblivion and all Karl has to say....well....the Tea Party had Sharon Angle...Oddonell...who lost

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eugene-Hunst/100001285478191 Eugene Hunst

    Rove is a complete jerk and just needs to shut his big mouth.

  • Ken Bolin

    I had a lot of respect for Carl after all he did to some very good people who could have made a very good man or women in either house. HE CARL ROVE ran them down like they were wasted & unworthy to be anywhere around the RINO republicans. CARL WHAT A SHAME I have no use for you at all none as far as I am concern. You can stay off FOX News CARL your one of the bigest problems we have and those just like you. When you could have made a very big difference in our country & America. We would not have this muslim marxist Kena born lire. I know your just like the rest of the people you know what he was just like the marxist john mc cain. Yet never opened his sorry mouth in the defense of our nation & neither did you tell the America people the truth your one sorry excuss of a leader.

  • blancojoe

    I am a proud Conservative, and a recovering Republican. Karl Rove has the attention of the media and the blue-nose Republicans, but he does not have my support or enthusiasm. Let us not forget who was against Ted Cruz. Mario Rubio had Tea Party support. Having said all that, I want to admonish many conservatives who refused to vote for Romney, instead pouting because Ron Paul did not get the nod. Also, many did not vote for Romney because he was a Mormon and not quiet in their corner. I did not want Romney as my first choice, but Obama is off the charts in my want list. I voted for Romney, but many on my side did not. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot big time! I don't care for RINOS but I don't care for foot shooters either. I will not support Rove and I will continue to support the Tea Party.

    • MyronJPoltroonian

      As our British cousins are wont to say, "Here, here."

  • http://www.facebook.com/skip.classon Skip Classon

    it is our time to rid ourselves of these purple robed UNICKS,we are the majority of the repubs,and we have the big balls,we have the integrity,honesty,character,we don't steal,lie,and we ALWAYS GO BY OUR BIBLE AND OUR CONSTITUTION,we are not anything BUT AMERICANS..

  • TJB

    Karl who?

  • Disgusted Patiot

    Well, a pox on Mr Rove!! The Republican "establishment" are nothing but a bunch of useless, whining RINOs, they ae as bad as the liberal democrats working so hard to destroy this country. They hate the TEA Party simply because they no longer buy the lies and deception of the modern Republican Party and unlike the Republican establishment the Tea Party still has ethics, conviction, beliefs and morals. The Republican establishment wants to know why they are losing elections it is because the canidates they run are RINOs and very weak and wishy washy!

    • Derringer

      They hate the Tea party because tea party candidates say the craziest things and ruin conservatives chances of ever winning national elections. For that very reason I *LOVE* the tea party. You tea baggers are the best thing to ever happen to America. You are ensuring that the left has WON the culture wars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Fryer/100000156546455 Carol Fryer

    Carl Rover the leading rino. That says it all. Even Bone head Boehner is just a dem in disguise. They pretend while the all have the same results from different playbooks. Global government. And which tea party? The real people or the one led by the rinos?

  • SickoftheBS

    As long as the GOP supports people like Karl Rove, I will either no longer vote or will vote Democrat, just to piss the GOP off and get them moving in the right direction. I am tired of being betrayed by Republicans that say one thing and then go play suck face with the Lying liberal Democrats. 59 yoa and I never thought it possible to vote democrat but at least you know up front what you are getting . Usually a brain dead lying liberal, but I know it going in.

    • SickoftheBS

      That is assuming the GOP can somehow manage to silence the Tea Party, Other wise the Tea Party has my vote.

      • Derringer

        By god I hope the tea party candidates AREN'T silenced. You're the very reason conservatives have such a bad reputation in America. All the crazy things tea party candidates said this last election season ENSURED major GOP loses. You are a self destructive force that I hope NEVER leaves the GOP, for you disgusting people will ensure that the GOP *NEVER* wins national elections in America again. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

  • LittleMoose

    Doesn't Rove and the GOP hierarchy know that opposing the Tea Party will cause a third party to be formed. If that happens, it will take generations to take government back from the Democrats.

    • CharlieFromMass

      It does lend a lot of credence to the whole "it's one big party" train of thought. A choice: big socialist government or big fascist government. Not much of a choice to me.

  • Moe

    Used to be that we had the term "Southern Democrat." That was a person in the Southeastern United States that registered Democrat and Voted Republican. Now on the flip side we have Northern Republicans who are Liberal Democrats at heart who espouse and vote according the the Liberal agendas. Seems like Rove is at the head of the class here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.p.cox Edward P Cox

    And Rove has his ever reliable buddy Bill O'Reilly who is "looking out for the folks" who he obviously is certain are incapable of doing so themselves. Much like BO and his fellow Marxists.

  • HappyClinger

    Dontcha just love the Orwellian name he gave his new PAC, "Conservative Victory Project?" He's only fooling himself.

  • Moe

    Everyone!!! Please understand that it's no longer Democrat Vs Republican, it is now Liberal Vs Conservative. We have cross overs in both parties, but the Liberals have the better sources of funding than do the Conservatives. That funding is not from the Citizens, but from the extremely wealthy families of the world. I will name no names, because they spend more money in one hour on lawyers and hit-men than I, as a working man can make in two lifetimes and I could wind up in court (or worse) if I did. Just go downthe list of the Bilderberg membership and you'll see the list in total.
    In the elections for at least the last 20 years, including both Democrats and Republicans, the vast majority of winners have been backed by these people. They have been and are now proponents of what is now termed NWO. Thats both major parties. Again I say that the dividing line is now between the extreme Libedrals and extreme Conservatives, leaving the majoirty of the American voters in a very grey fog regarding whom they support. Also, now with the very easily reporgramable electronic machines, the vote for one may turn out to being recorded as a vote for another.
    It is going to be difficult without physically casting out our present political process to set our government right. Difficult butnopt impossible; By inserting hidden conservatives that initailly appear as Liberals into the systems the same as the Liberals did with Conservatives, we can subvert their agendas for totalitarianism. Not easily or without danger, but still possible.

  • Chief47

    Rove simply doesn't get that he is leading the Republican party to it's demise. Right now the Tea Party probably has more grassroots support than the traditional Republican party. Rove and his Congressional RINOs are not going to like the results in the next two elections and had better look up the term extinction real quick.

    • Derringer

      Rove isn't an elected official. What are you smoking?

      uneducated fools.

      • Chief47

        What are you reading? I didn't say anywhere in there that Rove was an elected official. Go back to school and learn how to read.

  • Herman

    Just remember that Obama can not spend what he doesn't have. The Republicans control the purse strings for the last four years. There is no difference between the two parties except they have different ways to go about it. They both want to ruin this Country and turn us into a Third World Nation. Its time for a third party. We have to get a lot of "Americans" elected in 2014. Then get an American elected in 2016. My first choice right now is Allan West. 2. Shara Palin. 3. Gary Johnson.

  • 7PastorCarmine7

    Let us conservatives fire all those Rino's that oppose us We the People

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Carson/100000450210052 Joan Carson

    Well Karl convinced me. I no longer belong to or will support the Republican party. I will support the Tea Party.

    • Derringer

      I love it that the GOP is so divided. You guys are outnumbered ANYWAY and destined to lose national elections -- now your side is self destructing and it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of absolutely DISGUSTING people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.hickey2 Christopher Hickey

    Rove, like the GOP, is a stale entity in today's Political Reality. I was a dedicated and active member of the Rebublican Party for decades. Invited to the White House for events with other active members and donors on two occasions during the Reagan years I had great pride in the GOP and it's future. Unfortunately staleness of ideology and the withering of true Conservative vigor for the values and strength that Reagan instilled in the Party leave the only viable organized option is the Tea Party.

  • disqus_c4RsDinWC4

    I sent an e-mail to Mr. Rove a few days ago and for a minute I thought you had just published what I wrote in it.
    As I told him, I am 62 years old and a regular voter, I have never missed a general election since I registered at age 21. I am still a registered Republican, but that may change soon. In my estimation it is time for a third party. I lobbied my friends this last presidential election against splittimg the vote, but Obama still (won?). I fail to see how a third party will be any worse than what we had in November.
    We need principled candidates with gonads that will put principle ahead og party politics, the Republicans have proven they are incapable of doing that. Even many of the "Tea party" candidates of 201 and 2012 have succombed to the pressure and temptation.
    I am ready, and if I am ready, I am sure millions of other baby boomers like me are ready as well. If the movement is strong enough, it will pull many younger voters along as well as many minority voters fed up with politics as usual. A Constitutional Party, or Principled Independent Party would open many eyes the first election cycle and would begin to win major seats in the next one.
    The key will be the participation of all or most libertarians around the USA. Libertarians alone could sweep the elections if they united behind a good libertarian candidate. Who wants to lead out? Sorry, I'm too short, fat, and ugly.
    It's time, let's make it happen!
    Charles Truitt
    Spring Creek, NV.

    • Derringer

      "Sorry, I'm too short, fat, and ugly."

      Looking at pictures of tea party rallys, you are the absolute NORM ...

  • PBrenda

    we used to donate to the rnc...got another letter asking for money yesterday.....i write with marker that we no longer give to them, but give directly to our own choice....i mail it back and they have to pay postage

  • huntingfreedominAmerica

    Karl Rove has bit the dog that can and will bit back, We the People are tired of a Government that thinks it's the only one thats right. We have seen how this kind of thinking is bring down America. I'll support the best person for the job they must believe in the Constitution as it was wrote in the language of the time of it's wrightings. Americans have been dumbed down now for years by the education system ran by a government that want to oppress it's people. The communist have been working in America for over a 100 years and are willing to die from old age to just pass on their plan to destroy America and it seems there is always someone willing to keep the ball rolling. Communism will always have a foot on earth as long as there is people that are fools. And as Eccl. 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.

  • teawithjill

    Karl Rove is one bad apple he has the money to bet tea party candidates, and somehow he got Fox to renew his contract. Fox's loss I will not watch any show with him on and I e-mail Fox every time trying to impress on them that we do not want Karl. Rumor has it that he wants to set up Jeb Bush for 2016 will they never learn.

  • disqus_c4RsDinWC4

    I sent an e-mail to Mr. Rove a few days ago and for a minute I thought you had just published what I wrote in it.

    As I told him, I am 62 years old and a regular voter, I have never missed a general election since I registered at age 21. I am still a registered Republican, but that may change soon. In my estimation it is time for a third party. I lobbied my friends this last presidential election against splittimg the vote, but Obama still (won?). I fail to see how a third party will be any worse than what we had in November.

    We need principled candidates with gonads that will put principle ahead og party politics, the Republicans have proven they are incapable of doing that. Even many of the "Tea party" candidates of 201 and 2012 have succombed to the pressure and temptation.

    I am ready, and if I am ready, I am sure millions of other baby boomers like me are ready as well. If the movement is strong enough, it will pull many younger voters along as well as many minority voters fed up with politics as usual. A Constitutional Party, or Principled Independent Party would open many eyes the first election cycle and would begin to win major seats in the next one.

    The key will be the participation of all or most libertarians around the USA. Libertarians alone could sweep the elections if they united behind a good libertarian candidate. Who wants to lead out? Sorry, I'm too short, fat, and ugly.

    It's time, let's make it happen!

    Charles Truitt

    Spring Creek, NV.

  • determented

    This lieing imposter is as bad as obama and I believe he is part of his army because he talked his Establshment Party into not vetting this usurper fraud who sits in the whitehouse today and who is doing a great job of destroying our country.Rove is a disgrace as a citizen of these United States and is nothing but a sellout elitists no different than the liberals. He is a double agent and he is destroying the True Conservative Party (The Tea party) but he has another thought and his lies about his association with and working with Reagan and his other lies will bring him down. People if you know what is good for you and America you will join and support The Tea Party because the Establishment (R) is out to do away with true Patriots period. Just look at the last two presidential choices made by the RNC not the little man. Save America and fire rove and his cohorts. There was not even an attempt to investigate voter fraud by the Establishment and it is pathetic.

  • mas1az

    It's a known fact that the republican watchers in those voting precints where Romney didn't get one single vote, left their post and turned them so easily over to the democrate watchers without a fight shows a real commitment to those republican's in those precints. Yet, when Obama declared his win, Romney didn't even question it. You don't have to have a nose to smell something fishy. Both barrels smell bad and the tea party personnel both sides fear, thus they had to come together somewhere and who was going to make a fight of it. Not the republicans and especially not the Democrates. I say empty both barrels in 2014. God bless

  • sickofit

    We meed a third party. I've always been against that, but it's painfully clear that the Republicans are sellouts.

    • Chuck

      It is also painfully clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. The Democrats are in full control of the government and the judicial system. Their grip on the government will last for a generation, unless something catastrophic happens. Do you really believe that tens of milions of people Obama has placed on welfare and given every imaginable "freebie" would give that up to vote for a Republican? The millions of Republicans that did not vote gave the election and the Presidency to the Democrats in perpituity. Now, in their twisted minds, they want to blame everybody, but themselves.

  • ron

    Rove has been posing as a conservative for much too long. Good to see his core political beliefs come to the front. I second Mary's thought

  • disqus_9Av9WFBkxa

    I don't agree. The Tea party ideas are good sound policy but the people running the show are not Pro's. If you think you can win an election being an amateur up against pro's in the Democratic party, your wrong. 2010 we slipped up on them
    and surprised them, now they are ready. And now only good qualified candidates have a chance to get elected.

  • jim_wright

    The establishment GOP had better remember that there was a party named WIGG at one time. They no longer exist because they no longer served the people who moved on to another party. The same thing can happen to today's GOP if they don't wake-up and stop being democrat light.

  • James Foley

    Rove is more comfortable with the Rockefeller Royal Blue Bloods and limousine liberals than with red blooded Americans.

  • slickzip

    ROVE is a stinking RINO , he he just a dumbocrat wearing sheeps clothing,,,,,

  • Chuck

    Rove does not oppose the Tea Party. His group was the largest single giver to TP candidates selected by you. They gave $30,000,000 directly to those candidates and they turned out not to be very good ones. You need to stop pushing unqualified people and stop vilifying Mr Rove who was under no obligation to support you candidates. You are not a political party. He has every right to be mad at you for lying about him and besmirching his reputation. Particularly, now that we know that the most of you did not vote. Surely you don't expect us to believe that the 8,000,000 white men who didn't vote were Democrats. Certainly the 3,000,000 Republicans that did not, or voted Libertarian, were not. Who gave the election to Obama, look in the mirror. You should be ashamed of yourselves for distorting the truth about Mr Rove. No one cares whether you like him or not, just don't lie like the man in the WH.

  • Schnitzelschitzen

    Carl Rove is part of the plan to establish a new world government, the Tea Party is the Sons and Daughters of Liberty. The Tea Party is the heart of America.

  • jinkyjoy

    well who woulda thunk it

  • talljohn777

    RINOs drive me frickin nuts.....

  • Big Manuger

    Karl Rove is exactly what is wrong with the Republican Party. His is and has been a total failure. His only success (if you can call it that) was his work of the Bush campaines. We got Bush for better or worse. Bush was no great POTUS or conservative thats for sure.
    Rove and his checked pants and womens underwear brand of republican supporters and donors are a bunch of loosers. Look at the guys record, he supports and dumps money in the wrong campaines all the time. He must have a good Line of S--T because he gets wealthy conservatives to right checks. I think they are catching on though, Rove and his form of politics, graft, cheeting, and back room deals are over. The conservative movement is to great , the USA and our Consitution are to great to let this pimple on the ass of America be a bother any longer.


    Shut up Karl!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Linda-Bond/100000575975777 Charles Linda Bond

    We the real born American People are fed up with the Liberal Democrats as well as the Republican Party Establishment and will NOT vote for ether one again, EVER, just as We tried to tell the Republican Establishment for the last 4 years. So Get ready for more of the same which is caused be themselves. Democrats will always cheat and win because We will Not fall in line and vote for the Establishment any more. YOU ARE WARNED AGAIN FOR THE 5th YEAR. It does not pay to talk down to: WE THE PEOPLE....................................... Charles of Waveland,MS.

    • Derringer

      You don't speak for real Americans. Real Americans just voted by the tens of millions to defeat the GOP candidate. Speak for yourself man. Get your head out of your ARSE. You are NOT "We the people" ... We will talk down to you any time we please and self righteous fools like you most certainly deserve it.

    • Derringer

      Type in "2012 GOP voter fraud" or "2012 GOP election fraud" in ANY internet search engine you choose -- Also type in "Democrat voter fraud, 2012" .. Compare how many republicans are being or HAVE BEEN criminally charged with election fraud to how many democrats. Your whole argument that the election was stolen will crumble to the ground if you are honest. I suspect you are a dishonest individual and will remain in denial. You people are corrupt to the core.

  • [email protected]

    The message that the Tea party sent out during the past election was that the party line had to be preserved despite the fact that many of the positions were far to narrow to attract a majoirty of voters. Ms Bachman was interesting until she started to speak; she then become a far too hardliner.

    In order to win, you have to get more votes --- pushing some of the issues too far lost most of the voting public.

  • Viper ATL

    Ever since the disaster known as McCain I no longer donate directly to the RNC. Instead I send money directly to candidates. And when the RNC sent me a post election plea for donations I sent them a harshly worded letter of "no more money from me". Thanks to Rove & Co. no more votes except for TEA Party candidates. Kiss my ass Karl!

  • mbpalapa2000

    If I remember correctly more than 1.5 million (when compared to the 2008 election) republicans stayed away from the polls on election day. Was it the overly partisan religous right who objected to the "mormon" or was it the politically stupid who refuse to believe that Obama is trying to destroy the country but yet won't vote for a moderate appearing republican. We shot ourselves in the foot you jerks

  • mbpalapa2000

    We all know that politicians are less than perfectly honest. But we can only change the flavor of the Republican party a bit at a time, a seat here a seat there. To do this we must pick candidates who are not going to self-destruct. WE still have Harry Reid because of over-zealousness and democratic senators in Missouri, Indiana and Maryland due to assinine positions taken by amature candidates. WE have to insure that the Tea Party, which I heartily endorse, selects much better candidates like Rubio, Cruz, Lee and Paul. If we don't have a Tea Party candidate that can win the seat for the Republican Party then bide our time and vote for the lesser of two evils and vote republican no matter what. If you don't realize it yet this is an all out war politically effectively the second American Revolution and you had better be more than the 30% that won the first Revolution

  • Cincinnatus

    Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, Boehner, Graham, McCain, etc. can either retire (but as they have shown clinging to their posts for over 20 years they will never retire), or they can be replaced by the Tea Party, one, by, one. We have had enough of brain-scan flat-liners who tell us to "win" we have to vote for "progressive light" who talks a good conservative game but "unfortunately" is forced to vote with gusto with Hairy Reid every time. Voting "progressive light" worked so well - McCain, Romney - right! If the Republican Party still wants to be relevant they need to offer a clear alternative not a washed out lighter version of tyranny. Mr. Rove, don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out and enjoy your retirement!

    • Derringer

      Rove isn't an elected official. What the hell are you babbling on about?

  • Deal with it

    Karl Rove the republican party let up down by failing to remove barry from office and sideing with democrats on everything they want like cring little babies .you had your chance to prove to the american people that the republicans were going to save america but your no different than democrats because when your up there in power you dont want to risk being voted out of office for going along with democrats openly so the democrats then willing except the blame while the republicans kick back and laugh ...If i were you people of American i would vote for a Conservative in the next elections thats how we will win back our country .

  • Deal with it

    Karl Rove the republican party let up down by failing to remove barry from office and sideing with democrats on everything they want like cring little babies .you had your chance to prove to the american people that the republicans were going to save america but your no different than democrats because when your up there in power you dont want to risk being voted out of office for going along with democrats openly so the democrats then willing except the blame while the republicans kick back and laugh ...If i were you people of American i would vote for a Conservative in the next elections thats how we will win back our country

  • libsuk

    Karl rove= karl marx.

    • Derringer

      libsuk=a cosmic joke.

  • DandBA

    Karl Rove and the rest of the GOP RINO establishment in D.C. should be down on their knees thanking God for the Tea Party! If not for the Tea Party in 2010, Obama and the rest of his Communist Crew would be in control of the entire Federal Government with no one and nothing to even attempt to hold them back from the complete and utter destruction of the United States as a free Republic.

  • Dennis

    As far as I'm concerned, the democrats and liberals are the enemies of this country. Sadly though, the Republicans may have the same agenda, just a different road in which to get there. The republicans have lost their conservative values and no longer represent me. There is a reason why both parties hate the Tea Party. I am now a member of the Tea Party. Thanks for nothing Rove/Republicans.


    Karl Rove is the enemy...As long as he has the pull, we will never win an election. He is another traitor....

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.thomas.568294 Jeff Thomas

    how many times have we seen the gop cave in to the progressives? those sob's are working WITH them and NWO is IN our government....