Christ Banned from Another U.S. City

Over the past 50 years, Jesus Christ, God and the Bible have been banned from public schools, government buildings and even street corners.  Now any mention of Christ in many town council meetings has become a taboo.

The latest victim to be raped of their First Amendment rights of free speech and religion is Longview, Washington.  Located along the Washington-Oregon border, Longview is only about 30 miles west of Mount St. Helens, site of the spectacular volcanic eruption in 1980.

Now, Longview may be on the verge of its own eruption.  Mayor Don Jensen told the Kelso-Longview Ministerial Association that they are no longer allowed to mention Jesus Christ in their prayers at council meetings.  They can mention God in a nonsectarian way, but not Jesus.

And the reason behind the order?

According to Jensen, it’s because they fear a possible lawsuit down the road if someone invokes the name of Jesus:

“It’s not my choice to stop this, but I don’t know how we can put our citizens at jeopardy and cost our city and our citizens a lot of money.”

In other words, the atheist minority has succeeded in bullying yet another community to turn away from the Creator of the universe for fear of offending someone and being faced with a lawsuit.  In fact, it seems that the Mayor’s decision was based largely on the complaints of one local atheist, Dan Smith who told the local news:

"I do not want public prayer in my public building.  If I could have it my way there would be no religious – start the meetings with the banging of the gavel, and let's go."

Longview City Council meetings have been opened with a Christian prayer since the 1950s, but that seems to have come to a screeching halt.  Mark Schmutz, Pastor of North Lake Baptist Church told the local news:

"They've asked us for years to schedule those invocations and we are those who believe Jesus is the Son of God."

"We could say God and we could end with Amen but we shouldn't be specific about which religion or which God we're calling upon."

"People talk about lawsuits on a regular basis and nobody wants litigation, so you get to this place where it's just easier not than to fight this fight."

"We are ministers of the Gospel of Jesus and to not speak the name goes past our own convictions.”

What really gets my ire up on cases like this is that a thousand Christians could complain to the mayor and city council about not being able to say the name of Jesus Christ and it won’t make a difference.  The complaint of one sad atheist is allowed to rule the day and infringe on the First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and religion of many of the town’s residents.

In today’s America, the complaining of the one tramples on the constitutional rights of the many.  And you want to know why that it?  Because most of America’s Christians have sat on their lazy butts and refused to do anything to stop it.  In reality, the Silent Majority is just as guilty as the few crotchety atheists for driving Jesus Christ out of our public life.  If you are one of those lazy Christians, take a good look in the mirror before you start to complain about what is happening to Christianity in America today.  Your silence has spoken as loudly as the shouts of the few that have caused you to lose what you once had.


  • Doodlebug

    We keep kicking God out of our public schools and our government and what do we expect in return? We've taken any mention of the Bible out of schools, yet we give Bibles to those in prision. Perhaps if we would give out Bibles in schools, allow prayers in school, and allow Christian organizations meet in schools, we wouldn't have so many people in prision. For a country which was founded on Christian principles, it makes me want to puke at how much we have allowed it to be down graded. But, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the oil, the ACLU, the atheists, the organization in WI. It is time that Christians get up and shout the love of God from the roof tops. I firmly believe in the second coming of Christ and pray that happens soon, get rid of all the evil in our world. Come Lord Jesus Come.

    • patriotusa2

      Amen!

    • oleinwi

      There is a solution, let us all take our tax dollars through voucher programs and put our kids in Parochial schools. Why do you think the left fights vouchers SO hard, they know it would generally empty the public school systems and unhinge the power of the teachers unions.

      • Doodlebug

        I think we should all just not pay our taxes and let them shut down the government and let us start over. We've all learned a lot since the election of obummer, haven't we?

        • http://www.facebook.com/rich.green.144181 Rich Green

          I have a hard time understanding why a town or city would outlaw religion and turn their backs on The Good Lord Above. And most of this anti-Christ feeling and actions are O'Dips fault. I pray to the Good Lord Above that he will provide protection against this un American group of idiots in DC. We need to clean house and get rid of every Anti=American up there. Please Lord help us and provide our light on correcting all the wrongs created by this Administration and anti-Christ yo-yo's. I ask in your name.

        • http://www.facebook.com/American.Beauty4myAfricanKing Amber Klienhans

          Yeah, your right!!! But I don't think this can be fixed now......Jesus is on his way soon......This is all the Anti-christs plan.....and the House of Cards is about to fall.........and I wish I could scream this from the roof top.....WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

        • nickRay

          Amber? America is awake. You woke it up with all your screaming and it's called the cops. The sound you hear in the distance is America telling you its 3 in the morning and to shut the F-word up. If I were you I'd hide the gin bottles and flush the meth before Johnny Law arrives, OK?

        • Phillip_in_TX

          WTF?

        • http://www.facebook.com/jennifer.sweet.94617 Jennifer Sweet

          AMen sista!!! Jesus is on His way.This is all antichrist plan!!! But those of us who love the Lord are in the know of how all this ends. And it ain't good for the atheist!!!!

        • John

          People like you scare me. If you hear voices, that's not a god, that's a mental problem.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          2,000 years of "Any day now." I wish I knew why you folks are so eager for the world to end.

        • Agarnier

          Because the fools think they are all going to heaven. Their self-centred god could not allow humanity true immortality or they would be somehow equal. The never ending lie continues. They will be looking forward to the end of the world for the next 2000 years. FOOLS! Lets hope Religion cannot survive human intelligence.

        • Ariviste

          I cannot imagine the anger and meanness in you. God bless you. And I mean that.

        • Agarnier

          Save your blessings for those religious leaders who sodomise & abuse your children then deny it, including the retired pope. If that does not elicit anger and meanness in you, you are inhuman or already dead.

        • Ariviste

          I call on every Christian who is reading this to say a prayer for Agarnier. He obviously has something missing in his life that makes him want to attack the faith of others. I hope that he will gain peace in his life. I hope he will come to realize that those who abuse children are in the small minority, and the majority of Christian do not espouse those evil people.

        • Agarnier

          Oh Jesus here we go, conjuring up the spirits of ignorance to solve even your most menial problems. What I lack in my life is the absence of ignorant religions, over 200, telling me how to live my life. I place all my faith in proven science, our only true saviour. The pedophiles and child abusers are many in your churches and the majority support & espouse the evil by allowing the church to harbour those criminals within their sanctimonious ranks. Shame on you all. You are all going to hell. I'd pray for you if I believed in that crap but, I don't.

        • Ariviste

          If you don't believe in God then you should not believe in Hell. Sorry you are so bitter. Maybe someday you will see the Light. Even many scientists believe in God. Haven't you heard?

        • Agarnier

          I don't believe in heaven or hell. Obviously you do or you would not feel offended that I said you were all going to hell. You should work harder at being a better person. I have already seen the light and it is shining brightly in the vulgar, obscene lies of the Christian underbelly. Bottom dwellers who feed off the suffering of humanity while Vatican Inc. rakes in the illicit profits. Sick bastards one and all.

        • Ariviste

          I'm not offended. I know where I am going. Not so sure about you, however. How do you know what kind of person I am? Democrats are the ones that feed off the suffering of humanity. They enslave them with welfare, and all the freebies so that they will vote dozens of times each for them. The only light you've seen is between Obama's ears. It's coming in from the other side.

        • Agarnier

          I don't know what you do for a living but. I would wager it has nothing to do with providing service for those in need. There are millions more Americans out there who are worse off than people on welfare and survive by their instincts. That's why the crime rates are still unacceptable. Those on welfare need it because they are either incapable or unwilling to rely on criminal instincts. All they need now is the sanctimonious, narcissistic, self-righteous, judgement of a holier than thou, religious elitists. Does your greed and religious stupidity prevent you from helping those in need? Is that the way of brotherly love? Hypocrites!

        • Ariviste

          There are those in need and those who from generation to generation choose not to work. They make continuous choices not to be educated, get a job, or provide for their families. These people do not deserve our help. Those who find themselves in need through no fault of their own deserve our help and I do all I can for them. We have to make a difference. Many on welfare are using their criminal instincts to enhance their welfare checks when they could be going to school and getting a job. I choose not to help them. We have free public education in this country, and people need to be educated to use it to enable themselves to become self sufficient. Many in this country are poor through their own bad choices. Some, like those you mention who provide through their own instincts are the ones we need to help. Not those who do not work, have never worked, have no intentions of working ever, sit around and have babies they can't support and could get a job if they choose. They are able bodied and yet they prefer to play around instead of making their own way.

        • Agarnier

          You have to let that religious ringing in your head subside and open your mind. There is no one on welfare who doesn't need it to survive. Most would rather steal than accept welfare. Most Americans are too proud to accept charity. The wealth of America does not belong to the greedy few like you. It belongs to the sane majority who are willing to comfort the sick, feed the hungry and house the homeless. Americans who hold the heart of sharing their hardships and success with all their brothers. Remember, success depends entirely on those who support your plans. Don't make unnecessary enemies of those you do not understand. You walk around with your head in the clouds and have lost touch with your humanity. If all Repuglicans are as greedy as you, and they are, they are destine for political oblivion.

        • Agarnier

          Take your medicine twice daily, settle down and pray, "Christ is Santa, Christ is a fairy tale."

        • nickRay

          I just don't know how to break it to Rich that I saw an "Obama Biden 2012 bumper sticker on Jesus's Prius on Tuesday. It'll shatter him I know.....

        • Deep Diver

          If you want America to become a theocracy, you are anti-American. Go read the US Constitution. If you hold it in such utter contempt, perhaps you should move to Saudi Arabia.

        • DCW16

          Why not QUOTE the part of the Constitution that says a person can not say a prayer in a public place? Or any place? Bet you can't . . . cause you have just been "Parroting" your nutty lieberal friends.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Your church already pays no taxes. What kind of car does your minister drive?

        • Deep Diver

          Isn't that precisely what they're doing in Somalia? Perhaps you should move there, it sounds like you would fit right in.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lorna.doone.319 Lorna Doone

        I am in favor of the Conservatives coming up with a solution to public progressive schools.
        Maybe start up a different school system alternative that could be offered to Conservative Christians.

        • Smackaliberal

          No, the only "solution" is to cleanse this nation of all this filthy, evil pigs once and for all

        • nickRay

          Careful Lorna. He seems to be proposing a murder-suicide pact.

        • http://www.FlickPodcast.com FlickDude

          I remember a fella with a funny mustache that felt the same, exact way.

          ....the heck was his name again? Charlie Chaplin, maybe? No...hmmm...it'll come to me.

        • rich_bown

          Yeah and he was a Catholic!

        • DCW16

          No rich . . . he was deeply involved in the "Occult" . . . another "Low Information Voter" . . . I suspect ! ! ! Product of the Public School System eh ! ! !

        • rich_bown

          "Acting According to God's Will ... from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time" mein kampf - Adolf Hitler

        • DCW16

          And you assume he is talking abaot the G*d of Abraham? Not Thor . . .

          The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believed strongly that a people's ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorsed a kind of cultural relativism according to which what is true or false and right or wrong in some sense depends on one's ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one's ethnic group
          There is surely no doubt that the man Feser describes sounds very much like a mainstream Leftist by current standards. But who is the man concerned? It is a historically accurate description of Adolf Hitler. Hitler was not only a socialist in his own day but he would even be a mainstream socialist in MOST ways today. Feser does not mention Hitler's antisemitism above, of course, but that too seems once again to have become mainstream among the Western-world Left in the early years of the 21st century. See here for more on that.

          But there is no claim that Hitler was WHOLLY like modern democratic Leftists. In ways other than those so far mentioned, Hitler was, as has already been detailed to some extent, more like his Communist predecessors. Ludwig von Mises speaks of those similarities. Writing in 1944 he said:

          "The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."

          (For those who are unaware of it, Von Mises was an Austrian Jewish intellectual and a remarkably prescient economist. He got out of Vienna just hours ahead of the Gestapo. He did therefore have both every reason and every opportunity to be a close observer of Nazism. So let us also read a bit of what he said about the Nazi economy:)

          The Nazis did not, as their foreign admirers contend, enforce price control within a market economy. With them price control was only one device within the frame of an all-around system of central planning. In the Nazi economy there was no question of private initiative and free enterprise. All production activities were directed by the Reichswirtschaftsministerium. No enterprise was free to deviate in the conduct of its operations from the orders issued by the government. Price control was only a device in the complex of innumerable decrees and orders regulating the minutest details of every business activity and precisely fixing every individual's tasks on the one hand and his income and standard of living on the other.

          What made it difficult for many people to grasp the very nature of the Nazi economic system was the fact that the Nazis did not expropriate the entrepreneurs and capitalists openly and that they did not adopt the principle of income equality which the Bolshevists espoused in the first years of Soviet rule and discarded only later. Yet the Nazis removed the bourgeois completely from control. Those entrepreneurs who were neither Jewish nor suspect of liberal and pacifist leanings retained their positions in the economic structure. But they were virtually merely salaried civil servants bound to comply unconditionally with the orders of their superiors, the bureaucrats of the Reich and the Nazi party.
          (Read the whole article here . . . ) very informative and well researched.
          http://ray-dox.blogspot.ca/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html

          "If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things." - Adolf Hitler

          "The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly . . . it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." - Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda

          "A good catch phrase could stop thinking for 50 years." - Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

          "Yes we can!" - barack hussein sotero/obama

          "It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people
          around us are of what is really happening to them.” - Adolf Hitler

        • DCW16

          Speaking of Uncle Adolph . . . his birth, upbringing and life are amazingly similar to the "Chosen One" in the WH today . . .

        • John

          Sounds like what Jesus would say.

        • nickRay

          @Lorna That would sure make the public school kids happy. In fact, couldn't the Christian right all move to some other planet? One where vegetarian dinosauers and humans frolic together while a life sized plastic Jesus statue flashes on and off and plays hymns through a tinny plastic speaker?

        • Ultracon

          Why don't you go back to your liberal atheistic websites and stop the blasphemy, it is pretty sick. For your sake I hope you see the light and repent before it is too late for you.

        • nickRay

          Better to stay here and make fun of you bible-thumping hypocrites and reactionaries.

        • blebs

          What's up Beelzabub? Boring in hell today?

        • Phillip_in_TX

          I always wondered what "it's not my fault Obama" does when he's on the computer. He uses the moniker nickRay.

        • nickRay

          That's ridiculous Phillip. shows you really are from Texas. EVERYBODY knows Barry uses the screen name dronealone.

        • Agarnier

          He spends most of his electronic socializing and business time over his Blackberry. I am sure his plate is more than full without having to deal with pesky nay-sayers like you. You should be pondering more pressing questions like, "Do God and Santa really exist?"

        • nickRay

          Hell? Godfather Politics is it's foulest pit - and Tea Partiers the souls God hates most. I like it here.

        • Ariviste

          If you don't believe in God why do you say He hates Tea Partiers? You contradict yourself.

        • nickRay

          when did I say I didn't believe in God? I certainly don't believe in the monstrous God the vast majority of "good Christians" on this blog worship. But that doesn't make me an atheist. Try to imagine if all you knew about the Christian came from the comments you read on this blog. Have you actually read a lot of them? Here the Christian God hates Muslims, despises those He made black and brown and yellow, wants his followers to assassinate the president and stage a coup against the elected US government, commands the torture and murder of prisoners of war, sanctions the machinegunning of desperate Latino women and children along the southern border, wants poor children to starve, separates good rapes from bad, would force 13-year-olds to carry their rapist's child to term - even if the rapist is daddy - and strip the poor of the right to vote. Ain't no love thy neighbor around here, unless the neighbor happens to be an aging white gun-toting reactionary. Why would I want to worship a God that vicious and hate filled? Why would you? Who am I to say the devout Christian man who wants to put land mines along the Mexican border isn't a typical after all? I'm actually giving the Christian God the benefit of the doubt when I argue that He (She, etc) hates the Tea Party. What god doesn't hate hatred?

        • Ariviste

          Give the Tea Partiers the benefit of a doubt. Go to a Tea Party meeting and see who they are. They are everyday Americans who are really worried about this country. They are not the people the MSM and the Democrats say they are. They are mothers and fathers, teachers, engineers, firemen, policemen, and farmers. They are not radicals or extremist in any way. That is a myth. Also, they are not all Republicans. You would be pleasantly surprised.

        • nickRay

          I attended a Tea Party rally once. Racist signs about Obama. Birther stupidity. 10,000 percent white. One confederate flag on display. anti-immigrant signs. Far from being worried about the country, I came away with the conviction they HATED the United States with a burning passion. You may be right that some of them are to the right of the Republicans, although there was no visible evidence of that. But you carefully avoid disputing my entirely accurate account of the hatred spewed on this blog day in and day out. You see it too if you're a regular. If these monsters aren't the Tea Party who are they? They aren't cops and firemen. They hate cops and firemen. They're lazy overpaid public leeches destroying the country, according to the people who post here, remember? Do you deny it?

        • Ariviste

          I have been involved with the Tea Party practically since it started and I have never witnessed anything like you describe. I have never seen a Confederate flag or anti-immigrant signs except signs that say control the border, which I personally support also as well as most Americans. Our group is lead by an engineer and a fireman. We have college professors (yes, there are conservative college professors), policeman, teachers, and lots of everyday people. There are none like you describe. Are you sure you were at a Tea Party rally. It sounds more like a KKK meeting. My husband used to be a cop for many years and both my sons are cops now. I would not be in a group that did not like cops. Just because someone makes racist remarks and acts like a jerk doesn't make him a Tea Party member. Did you ask any of the jerks, or just assume. And, yes, we have black conservatives in our group, too.

        • nickRay

          Well. I had a very different experience the one time I attended a Tea Party event and I can't challenge yours. But I wish you could explain things like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xE69w6ar4 . And what about the ugly, violent, bigoted hate-filled comments that absolutely dominate this blog? You still haven't addressed that. I don't think you can deny they're there. Even the outright deaths threats against Obama, calls for a military coup against the US government, the cruel demonization and dehumanization of homosexuals and the most repellent nativist and misogynst posts go unchallenged except by the occasional leftwinger like me. How come? Why aren't you challenging the bigots and the seditionists and the sociopaths on this blog if they're so unrepresentative of the Tea Party? Its very hard to reconcile the hate with all the sanctimonius Bible thumping, and the calls to strip basic civil liberties from anyone who isn't old and white and extremely Right with the endless flag waving. Is that unfair?

        • Ariviste

          I looked at your first link and tried to look at the second, but the video kept stopping. Nowhere did I see anyone that I could identify as a Tea Party member. These people could be anyone. How do you know they are Tea Party? People tend to blame the Tea Party if anyone acts inappropriately or in a racist way. Example: When john Lewis and Nancy Pelosi were walking hand in hand into Congress. They accused the Tea Party of spitting on them and yelling racist slurs at them. A hundred thousand dollar reward was offered to anyone who could bring forward a picture or audio of anyone spitting or yelling racist remarks. None was ever brought forward because it didn't happen and these people who were lining the sidewalks were not Tea Party. Everyone who acts like these people on line or these people in your videos are not Tea Party, never have been or never will be. They would not be accepted in our group. Tea Party people don't act like that. I could not get much of the second video, but what I saw was heavily edited and I saw no identification for Tea Party.

        • nickRay

          The CNN clip was from a party who rode a Tea Party express bus to the DC rally a few years ago. And no you can't simply define away the most embarrassing Tea Partiers because of the damage they do your position. The Tea Party is, as you know, an amorphous, highly decentralized movement. There is no such thinh as a national TP organziation. There are any number of state andlocal committees and right many groups who calim to be national goups. But how many of them have formal membership lists or collect dues or elect officers? Not very many. That's not nessarily a criticism but being a Tea Partier is mostly a function of self-identification, and the reaactionaries and fools and bigots in the first clip undoubtedly self identify as Tea Partiers. And there remains the still-unanswered question about what you think about the contemptible comments on this blog by so many of the posters. Are you drumming them out of the Tea Party too? You're not trolling and you're not challenging them, yet you identify with the TP and you are here.

        • Shermer

          One can't repent of blasphemy. It's the unforgivable sin, didn't you know?

        • rich_bown

          I thought jeesus forgives all sin? Hate the sin love the sinner? Didn't realise gods infinite love had so many restrictions on it!

        • John

          For your sake I hope you don't believe that Star Trek and Avatar actually happened, too.

        • NoCrossNoCrescent

          Lol. You sound so much like Muslims.

        • DCW16

          Nick . . . where you been?
          Ironic isn't it that Christian Schools, Charter Schools and Home Schooling . . . turn out far BRIGHTER STUDENTS than the Dimmicrap Union Controlled Public School System (which has been turning out MORONS for over 3 decades now) . . .
          Surveys have proven this over and over . . . but, the Public System does not change. Why do you suppose that is Nick? Because the Dimmicrap Party needs more Dumbed Down Voters . . . John Dewey's plan is workin well ! ! !

        • nickRay

          Charter schools are actually a much more mixed bag than you say and most states still do prohibit explicitly "Christian" schools incorporating whatever theology into the curriculum, Thank God. who knows about home schoolers. All there is anecdotal and self interested accounts, not empirical data. Nobody kows how to collect it. But in any case you bible beaters pack up the kids and leave the public schools. Seriously. Nobody gives a good damn. Go already. Don't worry. Be happy.

        • DCW16

          "most states still do prohibit explicitly "Christian" schools"

          That is just not true nick . . . but at least you are consistant . . . lol

          The 14th amendment is about "CIvil Rights" . . . the rights that Dimmicraps fought against since the civil war . . . they even formed their own army . . . the KKK ! ! !
          The leftist hypocrits 100 years ago introduced segregation in the army, are you Nancy Peeeelosi's brother or Harry Reid's krazy cousin?

        • Davy Crockett

          Answer: Homeschooling! I know this is not for everyone, so there is another option. If we could take control of schools and cut all government away except the locak school board. Then require that only those with children in that school can serve as board memebers. This would help alot. Also if you homeschool or send your kids to a private school, that you would be free from taxes for the school system so parents could afford to do as they saw fit. Not only would schools be back in the hands of the community, but we could get rid of property taxes at the same time. We could just have a local school tax everyone pays except those who have their children educated differently.So poor folks could still get their children and education,which is important to maintain a free society. Additionally why should we send our tax dollars to the state and federal government so they get their cut and finally a tiny bit trickles back downt to our schools.

        • Agarnier

          I have a better idea. Why don't you and your ilk succeed from the Union. That way you can impose all your self serving riligious hokey pokey on all of your ignorant retards who are dumb enough to follow you. They have already experimented with this concept in Waco Texas with great success. Oh, and by the way, remind your children in your schools to drink all their cool aid. That should solve the job shortage problem. Mindless fools!

        • zack g

          I sometimes wonder if any Americans know their own constitution. Go read the first amendment than you'll see why you can't do that.

        • Agarnier

          Religions don't pay taxes. Who will pay for your alternative school system? Schools are public learning institutions and do not teach religious lies. Thats why you fools waste money on churches. My children require a useful education not religious Bullshit and my taxes will not pay for your stupidity.

      • Clint

        Bingo and kudos to you and Doodlebug.

      • http://www.facebook.com/peter.smith09 Peter S. Guild

        Parochial Schools are awesome. I'm quite disappointed that enrollment in Parochial Schools has declined recently. A voucher system for education would sure fix that. Peter Guild, St. Joseph's Parish, Quincy, MA.

        • NoCrossNoCrescent

          And I am sure you'd have no objection if you tax many went to Islmaic schools?

      • romney2011

        Vouchers? You will have to make some local political changes first. And vouchers won't help; they will and already have begun the "Common Core" and "C-scope" programs. That will have to be stopped first. Look up "International Baccalaureate" and that too will have to be eliminated. All this has to start with conservative wins at the school board, mayor, councilman and commissioner leverl. At the very same time organize, educate yourself and pass it on. I attended a local conservative group that organizes and educates at the local, state, federal and international levels. The focus is on the local and state levels, but our socialist and communist enemies have organized at all levels and for a long time. And.....they NEVER give up or stop. If WE don't do the same just count on loosing. So get off your butts and get busy.
        Also, begin civil disobedience and prepare for survival. Go to "Captain Dave's Survival" and "follow the simple directions". Join an active militia group. They will show you how vulnerable you are. Conservative Americans are waaaaaay behind the times in every area of importance to preservation or you, your family, and America. So get off your butts and get busy.
        The enemies? Obama, Islam, Marxism, RINOs, and fools. The churches are beginning to become failures and enable the enemies now. The United Methodists and the Episcopals support Islamic propaganda. Don't bellieve me? Confirm with the denominations.

      • nickRay

        Great idea olein. I mean...what could possibly go wrong by locking your little boys up with a bunch of Catholic priests all day? (snicker). Jesus loves the little children of the world all right!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Dettle-Lyons/100000222185638 Laura Dettle Lyons

          Just in case you didn't know, all people who sexually abuse children are molesters. All men who sexually abuse little boys are GAY!!! Men abusing little boys is the largest category of sexual abuse involving children. So, by your logic of all priests are child molesters, then so are all GAY men. And are these the same child molesters that liberals are fighting so hard to be troop leaders for the BSA? Foe equality? Or is sexual abuse of children only bad when committed by Catholic priests and acceptable when committed by troop leaders, in fact promoted for troop leaders because if all GAY men are sexual predators then you liberals are promoting child sexual abuse. Which is not surprising because you promote the death of hundreds of thousands of babies each year but then get all in an uproar to protect only certain babies.....from guns, but not GAY people, who, by your logic are all child molesters?! It must be difficult to be a liberal, your logic gives me a head ache.

        • nickRay

          surprise surprise. A Tea Partier who doesn't know what she's talking about. "According to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS) ... that girls are more frequently the victims of sexual abuse, but the number of boys is also significant." Nor are all men who molest boys "gay." Many assault both boys and girls. The difference between individual child molesters and the Catholic Church is the systematic, international coverup and official protection for pedophile priests by the Catholic jhierarchy at the highest level. It must be easy being a wingnut. Requires no logic at all. At least you don't give me a headache.

        • DCW16

          You belong to NAMBLA Nick?

        • nickRay

          Hate to disappoint you DCW but no. I don't want to buy your little boy. Especially not after your sloppy seconds.

        • John

          I am now dumber after reading this. Whew.

        • Adam

          Abstinence makes the Church grow fondlers.

          Nothing at all to with being GAY you moron. Sex is in human nature whether to procreate or just because it is pleasurable. Starve someone of it and they'll end up looking for it one way or another. If there happens to be a handy choir boy nearby who can be hushed up by having the fear of an imaginary God put up them then they're the target. If you think abuse is targetted at boys alone and by gay priests then more fool you.

        • Agarnier

          Your ignorance abounds, and your lack of logic insults all of humanity. You are a hemorrhoid on the anus of society. Gays, as you call them, are men and women who prefer to spend their lives with those they love and who love them in return, despite their gender. Rapists and pedophiles are always narcissists who wield there abusive power on the week and defenceless. Gender doesn't matter to them either and are usually asexual. The sex act is just their display of dominance over their victims. They are usually religious. It allows them to hide in plain sight among your Christian organizations. The weak religious minds of Christian children makes them a prime target and highly malleable to the allure of the pedophile's sickness. "GOD MADE ME DO IT"
          is their first and only line of defence.

      • R Stone

        good idea. cut of their balls

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Is that anything like the "cut of their jib"?

      • TAM44

        You betcha.

      • Ultracon

        There is another solution...when one person starts threatening frivolous lawsuits infringing on the rights of many...kill him. Some people are still alive just because it is illegal to kill them.

        • http://www.FlickPodcast.com FlickDude

          ....said the Lord, never.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773692362 Jansen Waddell

          Well he has said much worse, so you never know.

        • John

          How very Christian.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Actually, this is pretty consistent with the character "God" from the Old Testament myths. To be really on point, they'd have to kill the atheist and his wife and any sons, but keep any virgin girls for themselves. Samuel 15:2

        • NoCrossNoCrescent

          Hm... "ultra con". What an apt name.

      • Phillip_in_TX

        My wife and I home school. God is welcome in our house.

        • John

          What about unicorns and dragons?

        • DCW16

          John's only hope is . . . . O'bammy . . . . lol

        • Deep Diver

          Wow, it's nice of you to admit that you are an abusive parent.

          Loving parents don't give their children cigarettes because it stunts their growth and loving parents down brainwash their children with religion because it stunts their intellectual growth.

          I guess you love your imaginary god more than you love your children. That's sad, I feel sorry for your children.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Abraham would have killed his son as Yahweh instructed if Yahweh hadn't then told him not to. Yay!

        • DCW16

          Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and preach your stuff . . . bet your not brave enough eh . . .

        • Deep Diver

          Ummm, because I agree with the founding fathers and their desire to keep church and the state completely separate.

          You are a shining example of why people laugh at Christians.

        • DCW16

          Deep Diver . . . does that indicate where your head is?

          Nowhere in the US Constitution or Bill of Rights does it ban citizens from their Religion of choice . . . But, it does ban the Federal Government from Establishing a STATE RELIGION . . . as the Euro Countries in the day had and still have today.

          Your interpretation is just nonsense.

          Did "athiests" have any influence on the formation of governments? You BET . . . athiesm was a key element in the religion of Communism . . . and played a large role in the Soviet Union and Communist China. They promoted Eugenics back in the day . . . another "insane" concept . . .

          Atheists make up a tiny percentage of the population . . . but want everything their way . . . like Gorebull Warming Alarmists . . . these folks are friggin nuts ! ! !

          All the freedoms and privileges you enjoy in America today . . . are the result of the Judaeo/Christian Heritage . . . no other religious culture on the planet developed similar freedoms or governments.

          "Laughing at Christians"? All three of you unaccomplished fools . . . lol

        • Phillip_in_TX

          No, I feel sorry for you. If you don't believe in God, that is your choice. Hopefully, you have chosen wisely.

          Have a nice day.

      • Ariviste

        Exactly!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLORN6B3ZNGCAJTFHWWFUUEY4Q jong

      Of course this is just the start. Next they will try to drive the churches not only out of giving a prayer to start sessions but, out of their own buildings. Nice thing about that however is at that point they are known and out in the open.

      • Clint

        I get your drift, but I think they are already exposed quite plainly.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLORN6B3ZNGCAJTFHWWFUUEY4Q jong

          Perhaps but, the time to play whack a mole is not yet here soon very soon.

      • Doodlebug

        I believe the day will be here before long when Christians will be forced to worship undergroung as they do in many other places. Christians and obummer cannot exist together. obummer thinks he is Jesus Christ our Savior and boy do I have news for him, HE IS NOT! COME LORD JESUS, COME

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLORN6B3ZNGCAJTFHWWFUUEY4Q jong

          Well just in case he is delayed I will worship the Lord and carry a loaded weapon

        • Phillip_in_TX

          Have you seen the new window sticker? "This house is protected by God and a Gun come in uninvited and you will meet both."

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLORN6B3ZNGCAJTFHWWFUUEY4Q jong

          Yes I have. It seems a thief in Texas has recently proven this valid even if it was not on the door.

        • John

          Here's hoping! Indoctrinating innocent children into your cult should be outlawed as child abuse.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          He probably will as long as you give him a reach-around.

    • http://www.facebook.com/American.Beauty4myAfricanKing Amber Klienhans

      Amen Amen Amen Jesus is Coming soon!!!!!!!

    • rationall

      Are you Christians so weak in your faith that if you are not allowed to pray at a public meeting you will fail to act according to your beliefs in that meeting?

    • 1forthought

      You really are a special type of idiot. Founded on christian principles?! Our forefathers were escaping the persecution of christians, many of them were not christian. "In god we trust" wasn't even added until the communist red scare. And there's a reason they give bibles to prisoners, its not because they're converting, its because they were christian to start. An atheist prisoner doesn't receive a bible. But clearly christianity didn't keep them from getting into jail in the first place. And you can practice as much private prayer as you want, you just can't make it private. Otherwise, along with your public jesus prayer, there must be one for satan, and zeus, and the flying spaghetti monster. That's how freedom works.

      • Deep Diver

        Ramen!

    • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

      "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Treaty of Tripoli, 1797. Tell me again how our country was founded on Christian principles.

    • http://twitter.com/WaffleWolfer Dan

      Go ahead and read the following paper published regarding religiosity in prisons: http://tcr.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/10/11/1362480612463114

      In many cases, superstition can increase the rate of recidivism because it makes the perpetrator feel like they've been absolved of responsibility to their fellow humans. Put another way, it's probably best not to make anti-social prisoners read a book filled with genocide, slavery, and executions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000028490837 Alfred Laurence

      Exactly how do you kick an omnipotent, omnipresent deity of of anywhere? Please explain, or were you just spewing out Fox news talking points?

    • Agarnier

      "Come Lord Jesus Come"
      Must be a reference to the Papal orgy going on at the Vatican. You and all religious fanatics are the evil in the world. Pedophilia and child abuse are a way of life for Christian leaders.

    • No2GOP

      Considering man has created more than 2,000 "gods" over the course of history, I'm just curious which god you worship and which one I'm supposed to worship.
      Our country was not founded on Christian principles, whatever those are, but was founded on the principle of freedom from religion. To think your Christian principles are the basis of our rules is a bit short-sighted - and wrong.
      Once you can prove the existence of your god as the only god and the founding of our country on supposed Christian values, then you can have the right to force your beliefs on those of us who don't want to hear it. Until then, hush.

    • http://twitter.com/7modesto7 Matthew Carniel
  • Screeminmeeme

    It's called capitulation to evil.

  • DCW16

    Next time I travel through Southern Washington . . . I will be sure to not stop in Longview for gas, coffee or lodging . . . this is insane, free speech no longer exists in this town.

    • http://www.facebook.com/randy.renu.5 Randy Renu

      Exactly. Stay at Ocean Shores.

    • nickRay

      On the contrary. Courtesy of Mr. Smith free speech and constitutionality finally now do exist in Longview. Government there is no longer favoring one religion over another and imposing it on an unwilling citizenry. Stay a while. Spend lots of money.

      • DCW16

        Nick . . . pull your head out . . . they would not do this if it were moooslimes . . . too risky ! ! !
        The prayer thing is NOT favoring religion . . . it an American Tradition . . . since the country was founded on the basis of Judaeo/Christian Philosophy . . .
        The comment on Christians killing mooslimes is INSANE . . .
        You sound like one of the Prius driving Obammy supporting crazy lieberals that are driving the State of Washington into the poorhouse.

        • Let's be reasonable

          "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"- Ben Franklin, from the Treaty of Tripoli (a treaty ratified by Congress, thus affirming it as law). The claim of this country being founded on "Judaeo/Christian principles" is not only false, but easily proved false.

        • DCW16

          You are WRONG ! ! ! All English common law originated with the Magna Carta in England in the 11th Century . . . it is inescapably clear that it was based on Judaeo/Christian Philosophies . . . Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand and other western countries have all evolved from this principal . . . that freedom is a "God given right" . . .
          For some loonie athiest in the 21st century to try to rewrite history . . . is laughable ! ! ! If you re-read what I wrote I did not say that the Govt of the USA was founded on the Christian Religion . . . only a dopy athiest would confuse "Philosophy" with "Religion" . . . but in the modern day . . . when schools have turned out abject morons for over 30 years now . . . am I surprised? the answer is NO ! ! !

        • John

          You sir are a hateful bigot and exactly what is wrong with this country. It's not atheists, gays, or Muslims ruining our country, it's close minded Christian bigots like you that are so far removed from Jesus that it takes an atheist to point out how un Jesus like all of you are, wishing pain and death upon people you disagree with.

        • DCW16

          John . . . are you a recent hi-school grad? You rave like a lunatic . . .

          You obviously identified with the "Prius driving Obammy supporting crazy lieberals" comment . . . LOL . . . that inhabit the freeways of Seattle, and are upset.

          When do you start to get concerned John . . . when you town starts to look like Brussels? That's in Belgium John . . . for the semi-literate ! ! !

          ps: How can one be a "hateful bigot" against a terrorist-driven, world dominating, freedom hating, political cult . . . called izzzzlam?

          "wishing death" . . . "heterophobes and atheists" . . . where did I mentioned any of these things . . . are you OK John?

    • Deep Diver

      Then perhaps you should just leave America because the state is not permitted to show any preference to one religion over another. Look at the First Amendment of the US Constitution. Why are Christians so ignorant of facts, history and reality?

  • http://www.facebook.com/randy.renu.5 Randy Renu

    God is tired of being burned...now it's our turn.

    • nickRay

      What God is tired of is being used as an excuse by you Bible beating hypocrites to attack the US Constitution and equal protection of the law.

  • A Concerned American

    they continue to irritate us veterans, I'm a vet and I proclaim the name of Jesus. The name of Jesus is the only name that offends so many people. But that is what jesus said, "because of my name..."

    • randy

      If the hate the name so much, my response is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...Jesus. They don't mind hearing my Lords name as slang...where is their morals, Oh, wait they don't Have any. I will contend for the faith. All you christians.....calling all Real christians...Fight the good Fight of faith, even our faith. They can't get us all.!

      • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

        Nothing in the story has anything whatsoever to do with morals, so your assertion that atheists don't have any is both incorrect and non-sequitor.

      • Agarnier

        There is no escaping the truth. Religion is in its final death throes. Christianity has no real Christians, just delusional sheep and child abusers. Fighting may well be religion's only purpose but, the fight is futile.

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.smith09 Peter S. Guild

      I also love Jesus! Peter Guild, St. Joseph's Parish, Quincy, MA.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Dettle-Lyons/100000222185638 Laura Dettle Lyons

        Peter, I am unashamed and do not hide either. I am with you. I stand publicly with what i say, right or wrong. I will not hide :). It is so important for Christians and those who support the first amendment to not hide their identity. If one hides their identity, they are AFRAID to use the first amendment and by using a false name, Obama has already one and forced too many into hiding. I will not hide. I am Laura Lyons and I am pleased to meet you Peter Guild. I stand with you, unafraid. :)

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Dettle-Lyons/100000222185638 Laura Dettle Lyons

          Did I really spell won wrong? Lol. I think I will survive this little snafu, lol

        • Agarnier

          Fools seldom differ!

    • Joker

      Why not also mention Santa at the start of the meeting?

      • A Concerned American

        Because he sits in the Oval Office!

        • Agarnier

          And Clowns run Congress to prevent Santa from doing his job. For JESUS sake, vote the Clowns out. I'm sure we would accomplish more in government if we eliminate clowns and fairy tales, especially the JESUS fairy tale.

        • DCW16

          "And Clowns run Congress to prevent Santa from doing his job."
          3 dozen bills in Crazy Harry's Desk . . . and its the fault of Congress?
          The problem is becoming obvious to any "thinking" person. The Obammy clown is still Campaigning and has been for over 4 years now. Why you ask? Because he is an Empty Suit . . . he is a radical leftist and unable to communicate with the members of Congress and the Senate. No budget for over 4 years, spending out of control and the clown in the Oval Office is golfing with Tiger . . . He is driving the big buss called the USA all the way to Greece . . .

        • Agarnier

          Yes fool, it is the fault of the mindless Republican congress. They have allowed their anti-Obama sentiment to ignore and abuse the electorate by blocking all reasonable legislation in support of the public good and protect the wealth and greed of their GOP cronies. When the Republican Congress is finally defeated in the mid term election, we will finally see intelligent legislation that supports the working class pass without needless interference from the greedy few. The thieves who legally steal from government through mindless GOP tax cuts for the wealthy will finally pay their fair share in the support of public social programs. You are your brothers keeper and the wealthy do not earn their keep. Obama is doing great. He has saved the country from imminent depression created by the Republican greed and stupidity of non-existent financial regulations. Obama has brought regulations and accountability to greedy financiers. Markets are improving and job creation is on the increase. The country is solvent again despite large deficits created by Republican greed and stupidity. Obama is America's saviour. Bush could not even bring his family's buddy, BinLaden to justice. Obama had to do it for him.

        • Ariviste

          You have been gulping the Obama Kool Aid. The Republicans have put forth numerous bills to try to create jobs, reform IRS, insure entitlements for our future seniors, and that Crook Harry Reid has tabled them all. Then Obama and the Democrats have the nerve to say Republicans won't compromise when they haven't made one attempt to compromise. They have enslaved the poor with welfare, and made sure they stay within the fold. You say Obama has saved the country from Depression, when unemployment is so high, the GDP has grown less than 1% and the country is sinking in debt after Obama has spent more money that all presidents in history. The country is NOT solvent. Do you actually believe those unemployment numbers or that Obama actually had anything to do with killing OBL? The report is that he was on the golf course when all those men were murdered in Benghazi. You talk about greed when Obama spent millions on vacations and Michelle spent millions on gowns and vacations at our expense. That fool is taxing the very job creators in our country to cut more jobs. Try looking at all those jobs numbers a couple of months after they are released when they are revised upward. Ask those engineers who are working at McDonalds if they are adequately employed. The Democrats report people as employed when they are cutting grass and baby sitting. Real unemployment is really around 22%. I thought you were smarter than that. You call me nieve. I say you are very foolish.

        • Agarnier

          Your religious insanity is equaled only by your naivety. The American public has witnessed the Republican Party slowly devour itself through greed and corruption since the early Bush years. Insulting people's sexual preferences, insulting the poor and those who barely survive on welfare, falsifying information to promote an illegal war, allowing the torture of political prisoners, demeaning and subjugating women and their rights as citizens, protecting the greed of health providers at the expense of the sick and the poor, etc., etc. Now that they have lost the presidency, and by a large margin, the American public thought that they, the Republicans, would pull their heads out and offer some assistance in rebuilding the economy. Instead they chose the most idiotic path of blocking all efforts to increase taxing their wealthy cronies at the expense and to the detriment of poor Americans. The American public will not forget the heartless greed of the Republicans against fellow American citizens in the next Congressional election. If they block reasonable gun control they could disappear like the dinosaurs and be considered too politically insane to ever run a country.

        • Ariviste

          You are such a nut case. Nothing you said is true. It is all Democratic talking points. Why don't you do some research on your own and see if anything you said is true. You say I'm naive, but you don't have an original thought of your own. You go ahead and believe whatever you would like and when our freedom is gone and our system of government is gone just remember how blind you were. If they took every penny wealthy people made it would not come close to paying the debt that Obama has gotten us in. All the babies that they have aborted would fill a small country. All the people who have lost the will to support themselves will bring us down. No matter what you think, you are not entitled to the money I have worked hard to make. It may not be much, but you and your like have no right to it. Insurance could have been changed to accommodate others, but now your mother and father's fate may rest on the decision of a panel who will decide whether they get the treatment they need and all of us will wait in lines to see a doctor who may or may not be of our choosing. Research for new medicine will have to wait. Hospitals will close and we won't have enough doctors to take care of us. All our medical plans will go sky high and it's already started. So many businesses will lay off workers or put workers on part time because they can't afford the premiums and you have the gall to talk about selfishness. The Democratic party has lied, cheated, stolen money and local (national elections too) elections and threatened those who would like to vote for the other party. You all try to keep people ignorant so that they won't know what you are up to. The majority of those who voted for Democrats voted for purely selfish reasons: he's black like me, he's cute, he will give me free phones, and on and on.
          They can't even name the vice president and don't know or care what is going on in the world as long as they get what they want. I would be ashamed, but apparently you're not.

        • Agarnier

          Are you listening to what you are saying? Welcome to the real world. Your fears of social inequities are what the rest of Americans contend with on a day to day basis. While, you and the greedy Repuglicans block all efforts to help those in need. Your ugly clergy even spend more on church luxuries than they spend on helping the poor. Your religions are about wealth, waste and slavery. Your ilk will not survive the judgement of the American people.

        • Ariviste

          Well, Al, I have to take my computer to the shop, so I can't play with you any more today. I will close by saying that you are ill informed, and you need more help than any of us can give you. You are bitter, envious, and yes, you covet the things of this society that others have accumulated. You are judgmental, and you seem to think very highly of yourself. Good bye and God Bless.

        • Agarnier

          Leave your computer at home without repair. The world hears enough of your Bullshit without the requirement of your useless two cents worth. You should go straight to your analyst and have him exorcise the demons and fairies from your thick skull. Science and reality are a lot more interesting than your haggard religious lies.
          Remember these words from your play with me.
          You earned nothing in this life without the backing and support of your family friends and community. You owe all of these people more than a debt of gratitude. You owe them, including the least of them, your undying support. Otherwise you become your worst fear, a greedy leach on human societies.

      • Ariviste

        Santa is busy at the oval office.

    • Let's be reasonable

      As a veteran, you of all people should not want to dishonor the sacrifices of your fallen comrades by allowing the constitution you swore an oath to defend to be corrupted. Read the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment and reevaluate your position accordingly.

      • A Concerned American

        Huh? Explain that....

        • Let's be reasonable

          The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment clearly states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . ". Although it specifically notes Congress, this also extends to all government entities. Beginning a town council meeting with a prayer, especially the mention of a particular "god" violates this provision. Our nation, although predominantly Christian, contains people of numerous faiths, the Establishment Clause was intended to prevent any religion's members from persecuting those of differing religious opinion. You have to remember the Constitution was written in a period of time following centuries of religiously motivated wars in Europe and the Establishment Clause was written with the intention of preventing civil wars between religious factions in the United States. It has a great deal of utility in keeping the peace, as an establishment of any religion would disenfranchise those of different faiths and might cause them to go to war.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Appropriate username. Thank you.

        • Butterfly Christie

          Thank you "Let's be reasonable".

        • Ariviste

          A prayer before a meeting does not ESTABLISH a religion. You are free to listen respectfully or not. If the government ESTABLISHED a religion, the government would support a particular religion and contribute to that religion's growth throughout the land. The government would give that religion cash and promote it. Having a prayer is not ESTABLISHING a religion. I have always taught my kids that they must listen respectfully and offer their own version if they would like. They do not disrespect another's beliefs.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Absolutely. Public meetings should begin with a prayer to Allah.

        • Ariviste

          If it did, I would listen respectfully.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          That's well and good, but I would still argue that you should not have to. Prayer's place is in church, not coloring public policy. The best way to accommodate multiple religious doctrines is to subscribe to none.

        • http://www.facebook.com/richard.eastridge Richard Eastridge

          It will never happen , if you think This Allah , who has been proven a child molester and a woman beater, I should start every morning by comeing by your work and beating your ass just for saying that retarded towelhead take that stuff back to your sand nation idiot

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          Had to stifle a laugh. You've proven my point beautifully, though, thank you. A prayer is just a prayer unless it's to the wrong deity. By the way, don't be so sure that it will "never happen." As long as the apologists are running things, it's always a possibility.

        • http://twitter.com/CyningDom King ♔ Dominic

          You mean like tax-breaks for religious institutions? Haha, yeah, thank God they don't do that...

          Having a prayer that you are free not to listen to is the same as saying "the state can force everyone to go to a Mosque every week, but it's okay because you don't have to pray while you're there or listen to anything". That's still establishment.

          What if every session started with a prayer to Vishnu? You'd be free not to join in or listen, of course...

        • Ariviste

          Religious institutions provide services to their community such as homeless shelters, battered women's shelters, help for the elderly or needy in the community, food banks, emergency help for victims of storms and natural emergencies. What do atheists do for their community? Perhaps they need tax breaks to enable them to do these things. Do you get tax breaks for donations to help your community?
          I visited a Muslim country a few years ago. Their calls to prayer did not bother me. I have attended religious ceremonies of those of other religions. While I did not necessarily agree with their beliefs, I listened respectfully and suffered no lasting harm from having heard their prayers. As an ESOL teacher, I respectfully listened to the beliefs from those of others, and I have learned and I felt no urge to disrespect them or deprive them of their expression of their religion. But I also would like equal respect from them when I attend events opened with prayers to the God I believe in. How about you?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000028490837 Alfred Laurence

          Hold the fort sparky. Why do those who do not wish to participate have to be the ones to show respect? How about you respectfully pray while I do whatever the hell I please?

        • Ariviste

          I will pray and you do whatever you want. As long as doing whatever you want doesn't involve me you are free to do it. If you want to take my rights that is another matter. If I felt that being in a room while some said a brief prayer was so intolerable, I would stay away from the meeting, or arrange to arrive a little late in order to miss it. I have found the beliefs of others to be very interesting and educational, and who knows, you might learn something. By the way, my name is not sparky.

        • Agarnier

          If you had any respect you would not force your unfounded beliefs on those who disagree, they are the majority. Christians make up less than 1/2 of the population while Jews, Muslims, atheists and other make up the vast majority.

        • Ariviste

          I think you protest too much. Why do you feel so threatened by a person saying a brief prayer? Maybe there is something missing in your life, or maybe something has happened to you to make you hate so much or make you so angry.

        • Agarnier

          What you think is unimportant. Christianity is no longer a threat. It has run its course of terrorism and abuse and is rapidly declining throughout the world. Their wealth is in decline due to lack of contributions and large legal settlements to sexually and emotionally abused victims of the church clergy. The only thing missing in my life is the provision of justice (monetary and otherwise) for the victims of Christianity and accountability from those religious clergy who have perpetrated crimes against humanity; there are many. The hatred I feel toward the clergy is fuelled by the fact that not one member of any Christian faith has ever been excommunicated or defrocked by the church for raping and abusing children. On the contrary, they protect them. It is only in recent years that they had to answer to the criminal courts for their debauchery. How can you not hate and despise such a vile and morally corrupt organization?! If you open your eyes and see reality for what it is, you will no longer wish to live the religious lie. May fate be kind to you. The ignorant and innocent are highly susceptible to bad karma.

        • Ariviste

          You say that not one member of any Christian faith has ever been excommunicated or defrocked by the church for abusing children. I did not feel you knew what you were talking about so I went to do some research. You are very, very wrong. The peak of child abuse was in the late 1960's and 1970's. It declined sharply when Regan took office in the 1980, when conservatives were in control of the government. Between 1950-2002, there were 4,392 priests accused of abuse out of 109,694 priests serving the church. That works out to be about 4%. The rate of child abuse among those in other professions is also about 4%. The difference is the amount of new media generated by articles of the Boston Globe, Newsweek, and others who put a focus on the problem. There are high incidences of child abuse, more in the past few years, among teachers, policemen, scout masters, not to mention abuse of parents of their children. One of the more recent cases of child abuse by a priest is the case of Cardinal William Lynn, who was sentenced to serve 3 to 6 years for child endangerment when he did not report a priest abusing children. In 1986 Father Gilbert Gouthe received 20 years for abusing children. One priest received 60 years. It is despicable that the Church attempted to cover up the abuse, and any abuse of children is damnable, but I am just saying it is not any worse in the church that in the population at large and it is lower now than in the 1950's through the 1970's.

        • Agarnier

          I did say that clergy were finally being prosecuted in the courts and found guilty and punished by the legal system. I did say that none, especially Catholic, the worst offenders, clergy have remained in the clergy during and after their sentence. Religions are the only fools who incorrectly claim the moral high ground and as such claim to govern the moral majority. A silly notion I agree but, religions are not proving to be the bastion if moral superiority. I would wager that most other pedophiles and child abusers in other walks of life are also Christian in their moral beliefs. Monkey see Monkey do or, the blind leading the blind?

        • Ariviste

          Yes, Christians make up 1/2 which is the majority when compared to the others. I have heard the beliefs of others and listened to their prayers without feeling they are forcing them on me. Why do you feel that everyone must give in to you? Why can't you just be respectful and make accommodations when you are in the minority. That is what reasonable people do. They do not expect others to accommodate them. Why is it so painful for you to hear another person say a prayer. If you don't believe, it should make no difference to you, but if you have doubts, maybe it will help you to sort out your true feelings. I believe you would like to believe, but you are very angry about something.

        • Agarnier

          You are not only naive in your beliefs, you are lousy at math. Less than half is not a majority. There are 7 billion people in the world and 2.6 billion are Christian. You belong to the menial minority. We have heard the lies of Christianity for over 2000 years. How long do you expect the world to respect your delusion? Religion is the root of all evil in the world. without religion, evil would not exist.
          Even your Christ became angry according to the fairy tale. Why does your unfounded faith expect the world to give in to you? Tolerance is expected of all who wish to live in peace. Respect is given to those who earn it. No religion has earned my respect but, I do tolerate them. There are no reasonable people who believe in Christianity. If they used reason and their intelligence they would not believe in Santa, Jesus and the Easter Bunny. Nor would they allow the church clergy to rape and abuse their children without contest.
          You must be a highly religious, inane individual. I have told you unequivocally that I am angry because of rampant religious abuse of children within Christian churches but, your religion prevents you from seeing truth. I believe in nature, science and human intelligence to discover the secret of survival and the POSSIBLE immortality of the human species. Nothing in nature exists forever except maybe a SPECIES that conquers natures secrets and spreads its seed throughout the universe.

        • Ariviste

          So, you are saying that over half of those at your meeting where the prayer was offered were atheist? I live in Georgia. Christians make up over half of any group. I am not saying that Christians make up over half of all religions. In almost every group in this country where you will be attending meetings there are usually double the amount of Christians to Jews, Christians to atheist, Christian to Muslims, etc. In this country, Jews, Muslims, other non-Christians are in the minority, at least in most places I have visited. I am not talking worldwide .

        • Agarnier

          Well everyone who profess to be Christian in America obviously do not agree with you. It must have been the majority of Christians who don't go to church and could care less that voted for Obama. If the majority agreed with you, wacko Mitt Romney would be president. "Heaven Forbid!" LMFAO

        • Julie Szydlowski

          It's "couldn't care less", not "could care less". Just sayin'.

        • Agarnier

          If they could care less they would not profess to be Christian. Just saying!
          Al Garnier

        • DCW16

          According to US surveys . . . about 70% of the US population identify themselves as "Christians" . . . that's a bit more than half I would suggest.
          It was 1/2 the folks that voted for O'bummer . . . some more than once . . . lol

        • Agarnier

          Over 90% of heavy drinkers identify as non-alcoholics. Most of those who identify as "Christians" never go to church and know little about the history of the religion they hold as truth. Most could care less. It is simply a box you check off when filling mind numbing census forms. Most women are sickened by the male dominance & female servitude supported in all religions and the Republican party. It is mindless emotional fanatics like you who willfully perpetuate the inane lie. Obama has the support of the sane majority even though he politically professes his faith. But, he is careful not to support any religion politically. He truly represents all Americans as equal. We all have our short comings. Republicans more than others.

        • DCW16

          Your comments are borderline crazy . . . another unhinged leftist . . . so common in Washington State . . .

          Obama is an "Empty Suit" . . . has campaigned now for 5 years . . . the country is heading over the cliff . . . He does not know HOW TO LEAD ! ! ! and the World is now LAUGHING at the Amateur in the WH ! ! !
          Tell me . . . how are you and your children going to pay back the soon to be 22 TRILLION National Debt? Don't know?
          As Dimmicrap states are filing for bankruptcy, cities, towns unable to pay Pensions of Retired Union Members . . . are you concerned?
          The Fed is Printing 900 Billion a Year to buy National Debt . . . what are you going to do when the dollar is worth 29 cents?

        • Agarnier

          Pretty much a duplicate post, and you call me clueless? The retired paid for their pensions while the wealthy under Republican regulations simply stole it from the public through price fixing. Obama changed the regulations so that the wealthy could not rob the poor under his watch. Obama is proving to be a true representative of a Democratic majority. You're just pouting over the fact that Obama has made mindless wealthy fools like you his whipping boy while helping the truly needy individuals in American society. Get over yourself. We have!
          Al Garnier

        • DCW16

          Republicans stole pensions????? I was talking about places like Bakersfield, Stockton and San Diego CA . . . where the cities are broke, retired city workers are outright cut off or had their pensions decreased. Dimmicrat controlled forever. Same for Detroit . . . bankruptcy . . .
          Your angry aat the Wealthy? The top 1% pay 40% of all income taxes, the top 10% pay 70% of all income taxes . . . and that's not enough for you? The bottom 50% pay NO income taxes . . . but line up for free stuff . . .
          Al you are worse than clueless . . . the O is spending over 1 TRILLION a year . . . that the country does not have. This is insane . . . how are your children and your grandchildren going to pay this back? Evert ask that question?
          The Dimmicraps destroyed the housing market, are spending the country into oblivion and running the printing presses day and night.
          And your best comeback . . . is . . . its the Republicans?

        • Ariviste

          Obama has divided the American people more than any other president in history. Americans of all faiths and religious preferences were getting along and learning to get along more than any other time in our history before Obama took office. I won't say it was perfect, but we were progressing. Obama has turned black and white against each other, Democrats and Republicans to the point they don't even speak much, liberals and conservatives against each other unlike any time in history, educated and uneducated, old and young, rich and poor, middle class against everybody, children against parents. All this is according to Obama's plan to divide us. If you can't see this you are truly blind. If you think he sees you as his equal, you are sadly mistaken. He sees himself as better than all of us. If you think Democrats have more shortcomings than Republicans check again. They have convicted felons serving them in Congress and large numbers of them are members of the Communist Party USA. Locally, I see them elect Democrats who steal them blind and then re-elect them. Republicans have their problems but they are minor compared to the "Get Rich Quick" Democrats who regard you as an insect under their feet.

        • truepatriotintx

          Better check again, your numbers are way off. America was founded as and always has been a "Christian Nation". The majority are Christians. Others have just crept their way in and we have been tolerant, which is more than we can say for them.

        • Agarnier

          Better check yours. The bullshit about a Christian Nation wasn't introduced until long after the found fathers were in their graves. They took pains to keep politics seperate from religious foolishness.

        • Bearfoot

          suppose i worship satan...would you sit quietly while i invoke satan's name at a city council meeting? or, is jesus the only god that can be mentioned...if so, there goes freedom of religion again....

        • Ariviste

          If you want to invoke Satan, that's your business. I would decline to come to the meeting, or I would come late in order to miss your invocation. You have problems accepting the rights and beliefs of others. Why must the majority give up their rights to believe in God, so you can have the right to force your non-belief on them. It's a two way street. We can work together, but you must also give a little. I should not have to do all the giving.

        • http://www.facebook.com/richard.eastridge Richard Eastridge

          Barefoot if you did thats your choice , but in the future we will be meeting that very satan your talking about ,hold on to your weapons, and start planning counter action with others in your city. its gonna go down since no cares to go after this imposter and thief obozo now

        • http://twitter.com/HowieHam Howard Vickridge

          Read the English carefully; you've misunderstood what is written. "no law respecting an establishment of religion" is not about laws establishing religion, but laws relating to an establishment. The word 'establishment' is used as a noun. Substitute "an establishment of ill repute" and you'll get the point.

        • Ariviste

          I respectfully disagree.

        • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

          I like the comparison that you're (unintentionally) making here. However, you have your work cut out for you if you wish to suggest that our founding fathers wanted religious institutions to be above the law.

        • Ariviste

          See my post above about the Supreme Court decision and The Cornell Law School opinions. The word "establishment in the case of the First Amendment is a noun, but is a noun from the verb "establish". If something is established it is an establishment. It is referring to an action; not a thing.

        • DCW16

          "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . "

          MEANS . . . Congress shall NOT establish a STATE Religion . . . as is the norm in Europe to this day. eg: Anglicans in England, Catholics in Ireland, France, Spain and Lutherans in Germany.
          The "mental gymnastics" required to turn that into "NO RELIGION" is another example of "Fracking" in the lieberal mind.

        • Ariviste

          Good replly, DCW16. I agree with you.

        • nickRay

          This is hilarious. DCW knows better than the Founding Fathers what the Founding Fathers meant to say about religion. They didn't say "state" religion but our time traveling genius boy knows they meant to. Just kinda forgot I guess. In the meantime, assuming DCW is, as it appears, as loony as most everybody else on this thread, you'd think he'd be relieved that church and state are separated given that y'all are convinced Obama's Boy Scout storm troopers will soon impose Sharia law!!!

        • DCW16

          ARE YOU ILLITERATE NIK? YOU OBVIOUSLY CANNOT READ ENGLISH.

          IS ENGLISH YOUR SECOND LANGUAGE?

        • Ariviste

          Board of Education Kiryas Joel Village School District v Grumet: Justice David Souter wrote for the majority opinion, " Government should not prefer one religion over another or religion to irreligion." Nothing about having a prayer at a council meeting. From the Cornell University Law School in their news letter: "The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another." It deals with the establishment of a state religion such as the Church of England. The words "separation of church and state" are not in the Constitution.

        • Julie Szydlowski

          Wrong. The Establishment Clause means the government cannot force you to practice a religion nor can it force you to keep your religion to yourself. You have the freedom of religion, not freedom from religion and the government is supposed to stay out of OUR way, we do not have to stay out of the government's way!

  • CARL jr

    simple question -

    Would it be OK for city council meetings in Dearborn, Michagan to start off with a Muslim prayer to Allah?

    Are we only interested in majority vs. minority? What happens when you are in the minority?

    • Sue

      Do you really think they'll continue minority "status" once we are? What is a minority? If a city is all minority, doesn't it make them a majority? If choosing the world, white Christians ARE the minority. Does it count then? If you can't keep your country and your culture while in the majority, what happens afterward?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Barney/100000502045724 Victor Barney

    Why be surprised? Does not Revelation, chapter 11 clearly state that our HEBREW, NOT GREEK, INSPIRED JEWISH SAVIOR(Zeph. 3:9, Acts 26:14, 1 Cor. 4:6) "YAHSHUA,"(meaning in HEBREW:"YAHWEH(YHWH) MEANS SALVATION") EVEN WAS REJECTED & KILLED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE? SO, really, what's really new? Just wondering...Watch!

    • http://www.facebook.com/American.Beauty4myAfricanKing Amber Klienhans

      Amen

  • Seeker1212

    Democide in the 21st Century
    I recently read an article By Matt Bracken:
    Democide: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns and Freedom. Watch the short video.

    A truly moving article that highlights the Democide that took place during the 20th century and how it was tolerated by the world, and it made me think of the Democide taking place today.

    Democide, as the name implies, does not happen in the dark of night without any awareness of it in the country where it occurs. The Turks knew the Christians were being mass murdered. Average Germans were fully aware of what was happening to the Jews between 1938 and 1945, and a large majority either actively supported or at least tolerated it. The world supported it through its silence.

    Today a Democide of Christians by mass murders is taking place, not only in the Mid-east, but in many other countries, and the world again is turning their heads, blind and deaf to the screams of the murdered innocent men, women and children, their only crime is being Christians.

    Here in America, as well as throughout EU, the Democide of Christians is taking place, not by mass murders, but rather by the demonizing of the Christians and the Christian Bible and the outright destruction of Christian values

    We are on a one way path to hell.

    • nickRay

      Name a country Where christians are being killed in mass. I can name several countries where Christians are slaughtering Muslims: Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen to name 3.

    • John

      Hell doesn't exist. Try to keep up.

  • wildeagleone

    Tell that Mother frucker to go to h3ll and re-call him immediately

  • http://twitter.com/WolfyJam Wolfy Ghalkhani

    what is civil disobedience? its time to learn its meaning and use it. Dont let the left dictate culture. Say the rosary in front of public buildings, block off streets like the muslims do. Dont let fear get into your hearts. Stand firm. demonstrate resolve.

    • Maine Gage

      KNOW THIS: Civil disobedience will not work in this evil age. This is a very different world than in Ghandi's day. The majority of people are numbed to evil, or even enamored by it, when it is marketed as "cool", just like Obama is. Do you think this corrupt media will show martyred Christians in a favorable light? No way, they already RIDICULE Christians & conservatives who have been victimized. On the news, in the papers, online, and the late-night comedy shows (like Bill Maher). Evil is in the majority now, it runs the show, calls the shots, and says who/what is cool and what is to be ostracized. The first wave of civil disobeyers will quickly find their way ushered into martyrdom (I hope they know Jesus). And people will only laugh, they will not be convinced of the rightness of their cause. That is what happens in this culture of watching sick stuff as entertainment.

  • Sue

    So, it's okay to say have a nice day but not okay if you say Jesus hopes so too? If you don't like it ignore it. They're not hoping you die a horrible death.

  • posthuf

    Quick and easy fix here. Start substituting "allah" every time you would use God or Jesus. Let that useless atheist whine about that and he'll be beheaded.

    If he's too stupid to realize that he has a choice of God or death, let him die.

    • oldcoyote

      God is pronounced Allah in Arabic.There is only one God of all creation. He is One and the Same.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1180245558 Stephen Brummitt

        I don't care what the muslims call their iteration of a god concept, their concept is nowhere near the real Biblical God; and, I am certain that they would protest vehemently at my assertion, that Christ is an undevorcible part of the Godhead. We DON'T believe in the same God, by ANY stretch of the imagination! Besides that, my God is Love, and Allah is nothing less than an ethereal embodiment of Hate!

      • Screeminmeeme

        oldcoyote...While it is true that there is only ONE GOD of all creation, the God of creation described in the BIble is the antithesis of the false god, allah, as described in the Quran and other authoritative texts.

      • DCW16

        allah . . . is a friggin rock in Medina . . . Zero connection to the G*d of Abraham . . . .

    • Clint

      No, a thousand times no. I will never refer to Yeshua/Yahweh as allah. That would play right into the hands of the muslims and their plans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darlene-Thecolaratlady/100000275763531 Darlene Thecolaratlady

    The last 5 sentences in this article said it all and is comepletely right. This country is doing everything possible to tempt the hand of god..btw...israel became a state in 1948..clock is ticking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=752603954 Steve Johnson

    Every session of the Senate, the House and SCOTUS begins with a prayer. In congress a minister is paid to pray by using tax dollars approved for the purpose by Congress. There is NO separation of church and state.

  • Lorraine E

    I no Ionger recognize My Country! It used to be majority rule and now it is minority rule, even if it is only One Person! Our government has kicked our God out of schools, the news media, public buildings and places, and is now crippling churches. When the day comes, and it will, that God withdraws His Grace from the U.S.A. He will be totally justified.

    • Sue

      I think it's more as long as "we don't" rule. Anyone but us.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michele.moore.1806 Michele Moore

      This guy needs to be sued for offending our way of rule, Its time to take back our God given rights. Let the atheist come in after the prayer...I reallly like this idea....just say lets have a moment of mediation and everybody start praying outloud, even for only 15 sec...maybe that would shut his pie hole up. .

      • nickRay

        All of this raising the question why, if Michele Moore hates liberty and the US constitution this much, she stays here. What yshe so arrogantly describe as "our way of rule" is specifically barred by the very first amendment - and wisely so given the theocrats and totalitarians on this thread.

        • http://www.facebook.com/michele.moore.1806 Michele Moore

          what I am offended at is why my christian values have to be given up for the ones who don't want prayer...

        • nickRay

          Keep your alleged Christian values, whatever those might be. No one is trying to tke them away from you. Nobody cares much what you think one way or another. But, and here's the thing, what you can't do, despite your buringing desire to, is force your views on other people using the power and the premises of the state. That's what the first amendment does - protect everybdoy's freedom of religion by keeping government out of it. That's all our atheist hero is doing here at the City Council. Protectijg your and his right to belioeve or not in whatever you want to believe by keeping government out of it. Are you really so lost in your sanctimony and your self-righteous religiousity that you can't understand that rather simple point?

      • John

        You don't really understand democracy, do you?

    • Clint

      Lorraine, our government here in the U.S. has always been a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. Democracy is where the majority(mob) rules. A Constitutional Republic means that we are governed by our representatives whom we select to represent us. Our government is supposed to have no more power than we the citizens allow. At least that is the way that it is supposed to work. I agree that we Christians, as a whole, have become lazy and lethargic, going along with the crowd so we will not be perceived as intolerant, therefore we have allowed satan a foothold. At this point, it will be a much harder fight than it would have been before satan and his minions made so much headway. But fight we must to reclaim our Christian nation with it's Judeo/Christian principles.

      • http://www.facebook.com/peter.smith09 Peter S. Guild

        We Christians are still a majority, so we can stand up to anti-Christ individuals and organizations. I Love Jesus! Peter Guild, St. Joseph's Parish, Quincy, MA.

        • John

          You can believe in Jesus all you want. Just keep your delusions out of my government. intelligent people are trying to real work here, and not all of us have the luxury of believing in magic.

        • DCW16

          Do you know where your "Freedoms" come from John? Bet you don't . . . so I will

          inform you.

          All English common law originated with the Magna Carta in England in the 11th Century . . . it is inescapably clear that it was based on Judaeo/Christian Philosophies . . . Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand and other western countries have all evolved from this principal . . . that freedom is a "God given right" . . .

          Riddle me this John . . . what "athiest" country give its citizens the same rights as the USA? I will bet the answer will be a long time coming . . . lol

      • John

        This country was founded to escape religious persecution, so stop persecuting us with your backwards religion! Believe or worship whatever ridiculous thing you want, stop forcing it on me!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000372344940 Sylvia Sweet

      I think God is already starting to withdraw His grace from the USA.

    • http://twitter.com/haziqmir Haziq Mir

      *yawns* Waiting for the Zombie, still?

  • http://www.facebook.com/margie.huffman.5 Margie Huffman

    Stop it if you are Christians. Get sued. I'd rather be sued by little ACLU or the complainer than face JESUS and say I was AFRAID to say HIS name...what kind of prayers are you doing up there anyway?

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.smith09 Peter S. Guild

      Yes! We must take a stand in favor of Christianity. The ACLU is going down. Peter Guild, St. Joseph's Parish, Quincy, MA.

    • nickRay

      Mostly we pray to Jesus to deliver us from His more lunatic and anti-democratic followers.

  • Gerry Schulze

    I don't think merely not mentioning "Jesus" solves the problem. If prayers to "Jesus" are unconstitutional in this circumstance, so are prayers to a generic deity. I'm not sure how "orthodox" the atheist is if he is willing to tolerate prayers "to whom it may concern."

    The law is far from clear about whether local legislative bodies that want to open their meetings with a prayer. For some perspective of just how complicated this can get, read Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783 (1983).).

    What is clear is that the government should not "establish" any religion. What is not clear is exactly what that means. I don't want Christianity or Islam or atheism or Pastafarianism to be the official religion of the United States or any political subdivision of the United States, even some burg in Washington that I've never heard of.

    Also it looks like the Lord has punished me for this comment by centering it instead of left justifying it.

    Gerry

    • http://www.facebook.com/michele.moore.1806 Michele Moore

      We were a nation founded on religious freedom, and God given rights.

  • Hotnike

    Just another sorry-a&& politician, I don't remember the country called the U.S. of A.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bjorn.skeptik Bjorn Skeptik

    And who would have objected to a jewish prayer to yahweh,or a buddist prayer, or a muslim prayer?

  • daves

    What a joke - God is alive and well in our public schools and towns throughout the U.S. The only thing that is not allowed is for a government employee to lead a public prayer.

    “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Dettle-Lyons/100000222185638 Laura Dettle Lyons

      Last night, when I was at the mall I decided to visit the Christian bookstore. As I was looking at the devotional books a kid, about 12-13 years old ran by the front of the store and yelled "Christians suck!". Yes, Jesus is very much alive in our country today. Christians are now being singled out and treated like black people were once treated and the regression of tolerance is increasing daily. Our forefathers made it clear, this nation was to be run in a Godly manner. Public officials have every right to say a prayer whenever and wherever they choose. That should NEVER be governed. Consider Christians the same as everyone else. Fight just as hard for Christian rights as gay rights. And if you can't, why is that? Is it because there is room for only one in the heart and we choose who that "one" is, God or Satan. You would prefer all prayer be hidden in the closet but all homosexuals come out of the closet? Besides that, it will need to be a large closet for two or more to gather, hence the church and public groups.

      • nickRay

        What an america hater you are. does the US constitution really mean nothing to you at all? Any government official who uses the power of the state to impose his or her religious beliefs on others should be immediately removed from office. Its not government's business to endorse or bar any religion, including yours. Period. And are you so completely detached from reality that you equate a bratty 12-year-old to centuries of chattel slavery, legalized rape, lynchings, Jim Crow segregation? That's indecent and disgusting.

        • DCW16

          That is a dumb statement . . . no one is "Imposing" religion on anyone . . .

          Read the Constitution . . . you dopy lieberals always get it backwards . . . but that's a condition of the leftist mind . . . up is down, in is out and right is left . . .

          The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...."

          Why? This was because the founders saw the folly of established "State" Religions in Europe . . . which exist to this day . . . BUT IS LIMITED TO THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE FEDERAL GOVT . . . not the Citizens of the USA. How any semi-intelligent individual can Equate saying a Prayer at a meeting or in a school . . . is an "establishment of religion" . . . . IS PATENTLY INSANE ! ! !

      • daves

        Public officials do have the right to say a prayer whenever and wherever they choose. They just cannot lead a public prayer.

        I am a Christian and I will always fight for Christian rights. I am not aware that we have lost any rights since the country was founded.

        That's not my advice about praying alone, it comes from Jesus himself.

      • http://twitter.com/thenotimer thenotimer

        The idea that Christians are a persecuted group in America is so ridiculous I can scarcely believe you actually voiced it here.

  • Junk Bin

    the mayo needs a backbone but he has to get the rod out of his arse first

  • CHET KUTSCH

    TOO many non-christians in Government!

  • ALHL

    Oh that figures, progressive atheists have contaminated CA, then OR and now, WA.

  • oldcoyote

    That mayor needs to be demoted to gutter duty.

  • randy

    Why don't they just kick his ass out of their town! Problem solved. Make it so hard for him to live there that he moves. Since whe does the one our few count as the majority?????

  • Jo

    i'm afraid this started way before Obama got into office. This nation has turned its back on God for way too long. Many warnings have come, but instead of turning to Him for help, our leaders have declared that we will overcome. Now, God is saying it is judgement time. Still, His churches do not know how to band together, united in His Spirit to cry out to Him to deliver us.

  • warpsix

    But can they mention the taking of a 9 year old wife by the Islamic profit(sic) . Most atheist are to wimpish to take on the Religion of pieces . So when/if you argue with them make them take a stand . Those wimps know we turn the other cheek but those Muslims don't .

  • worldwatchman

    Smith appears to be a very sad old man who soon will get to stand before Almighty God and explain to Him why he's acted like a horses arse when he was given a billion chances to clean up his vile thinking. Was his speech a result of a stroke? Could that have been a warning? As far as local, state and federal governments kicking His name out; all I can say with certainty is.......they'll get theirs when time is up for them.

  • netandyawho

    Its obvious Poor Mayor Jensen has never finished Christianity 101. If he has, he would know that there are three persons in one God. We have the Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit. Neither one is the other. But we know that the Father is God. The Son (Jesus) is God. And the Holy Spirit is God. Therefore, it makes no difference if the name of Jesus is used because He is God.

  • apf2

    The solution may very well be arranging meetings between atheists and their Maker...after all just because they don't belive it doesn't mean He doesn't exist.

  • Shadow_58

    Another bunch of atheist bringing down God's wrath on the citizens of their town. The citizens need to kick these evil people to the curb immediately.

  • http://twitter.com/DustyFae StarDust Dolittle

    God has taken record of this in his book of life

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1156647844 Deb Marston

    Is it just me, or... is pushing (denying) Jesus out of the picture a tad tricky in such close proximity to a volcano?

    Seriously, I was not a Believer for a long time, but I never feared others' rights to free speech.

  • thewitness42@yahoo.com

    On not being able to speak in JESUS NAME , YOU ARE NUTS THEY XAN NOT MAKE ANY LAW (LEGAL LAW) THAT IS SINCE THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THEY CAN MAKE NO LAW CONCERNING A RELIGION , IF YOU GO BY WHAT A MORON SAYS ,OR A FOOL THEN YOU HAVENT GOT THE HOLY SPIRIT! SCRIPTURE SAYS i GIVE YOU POWER OVER ALL OF THE POWER OF THE /YOUR ENEMY! WAKE UP PEOPLE AND BELIEVE THE FOUR GOSPELS AND TRY TO FORGET THE RUBBISH THAT PAULS LETTERS SAID ,IF YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAID YOU WILL KNOW THAT PAUL WAS THE GREATEST DECIEVER THAT WAS. IF YOU THINK ME WRONG THENYOU BETTER GET THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT JESUS HAD /HAS., ASK FOR IT AND YOU WILL RECIEVE IT "Paul said to one is given one gift and to another another gift as He ?God will s," SCRIPTURE SAYS WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE GIVES HIS SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE" SO ASK FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FAST AND PRAY UNTILL YOU HAVE IT, iF YOU HAD IT YOU WOULD BE DOING ALL KINDS OF MIRICLES! iF YOU REALLY BELIEVE jESUS SAID "NOT ONLY THE WORKS THAT I DO BUT GREATER WORKS SHALL YOU DO! GET INTO THE FOUR GOSPELS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CHECK WHOEVER YOU THINK IS TELLING YOU SOMETHING ,i WILL BET THAT IT IS NOT GOD THE FATHER! THE OLD TESTAMENT SAYS HOW TO CHECK /MAKE IT PROVE IT IS OF GOD JESUS SAI THAT IN THE LAST DAYS THAT IF IT WERE POSSIBLE EVEN THE VERY ELECT WOULD BE DECIEVED!

  • RomyMon

    Our Lord God sees and hears all these blasphemies and He will deal with the blasphemers in His time, which you and I who believe in Him and His son Jesus Christ, pray He may do soon. God in His infinite mercy and grace gives everyone, and that includes the clueless atheists and the abominable ACLU, a chance to repent. But there is a limit even to God's patience and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is proof of that. We Christians emulate our Savior as we pray for the enlightenment of those who mock Him. How unfortunate for all of them should they ignore our admonition and the wrath of God falls upon them! Repent you blasphemers or suffer the grave consequences of your rebellion!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1443371258 Tbark Knives

    what we need to do is file the lawsuits ourselves for infringement of our 1st ammendment rights far as i know it states the gov shall make NO LAW concerning religeon there is Nothing in it that declares a seperation of anything , in a republic popular vote wins if they dont like it where there at move to ca or ny where all your libturd buddies live ,till then we will do it like we want to , counter suits for court cost against those who threaten lawsuits fine looser pays for everything including all lawyers fee's t

  • Taskmasterendgame

    Here is one Mayor that can go !

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.smith09 Peter S. Guild

    I love Jesus! I love Jesus! I love Jesus! Impeach Governments for infringing on U.S. Citizens's First Amendment to The U.S. Constitution Right To Freedom of Religion. It's a big mistake to deny that Jesus is our Savior. I love Jesus! I love Jesus! I love Jesus! Peter Guild, St. Joseph's Parish, Quincy, MA.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    "The latest victim to be raped of their First Amendment rights of free speech and religion is Longview, Washington."

    What!?! Quite the contrary. This is but another consequence of the First Amendment's polytheistic provision for the freedom of religion. Christianity is strictly monotheistic (Exodus 20:3-5, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, 2 John 1:7-11, etc.), which is an unequivocal threat to the polytheism of all other religions as per Amendment 1's provision for the freedom of religion. This also explains why Christianity has been singled out as the United States government's religion of choice for selective persecution. The United States Constitutional Republic is essentially a resurrection of ancient Rome, which persecuted Christianity in the same fashion.

    Tragically most Christians hang their religious hat on Amendment 1 as if some great Christian principle can be found therein when, in fact, it is a blatant violation of the First Commandment (Thou shalt have no other god besides Yahweh).

    For more, see online Chapter 11 "Amendment 1: Government-Sanction Polytheism" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt11.php.

  • Tom Kon

    It is unconstitutional to restrict the rights of those who want to mention God. Time to fight and counter sue! If that doesn't work with these Liberal idiots ghrn Civil disobedience is next! Time to stop these Liberal Nazi's in their tracks!

    • nickRay

      You can go to City Hall and blabber about God all you want. But the Mayor can't when he is conducting public business. I know you don't like this but the United States is not a theocracy and the FFs carefully designed it that way.

  • nickRay

    Just because Dave Jolly knos exactlynothing about the US Constitution appears to be no impediment to writing about it for this outlet of the Conservative Entertainment Complex. It helps that his readership is bigoted and self righteous and so has no use for any facts that might disturb their sanctimony and ignorance. It is true that Christian chauvinists can no longer use the power of government to impose their odd religious views on others, and I know that bothers y'all endlessly. Yet that is what the constitution clearly requires. Whether you like it or not Mr. Smith is restoring constituional government to Longview Washington. That makes him a better American than this Jolly character and the majority of you. Don't like it here? Go find yourselves a theocracy instead. I know of two: Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandra-Hanford/1333689957 Sandra Hanford

      There is no mention of any seperation of church and state in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. What it does say is that the government shall not impose it's authority on religion. In other words, no state religion like the Church of England. And no Mr Smith is not restoring constitutional government to Longview but a tyranty.

      • nickRay

        Now Sandra It may be true in Texas that your copy of the constitution has no first Amendment. Everybody else's Constitution does have it though. That's where the Founders separated church and state, ( that's sepArated, with an "a") as the author of the constitution, Thomas Jefferson, so eloquently phrased it. And far from imposing tyranny (only one "t" please!) he is faithfully following in Washington and Jefferson's footsteps. You, on the other hand, are wearing the Ayatollah's slippers.

  • progressiveandproud

    The town functioned just fine without prayers opening their meetings until the 1950s, but now we are supposed to believe the world will end if prayers are no longer allowed at meetings. Grow up, people.

    Practice your religion on your own time. Don't be like the pharisees who worshiped in public to impress others.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandra-Hanford/1333689957 Sandra Hanford

      How about you practice your athiesm on your own time and stop trying to force the rest of us to obey you.

      • Wowbagger

        Dumbest comment ever! You win Sandra!

  • http://www.facebook.com/martin.h.slusser Martin H. Slusser

    Look for far more. Nazism and KKK see Christianity as 'those
    other Jews'. Hitler coined the phrase, but the KKK have always hated the
    faithful, always presented their version of it. KKK means Children of
    Satan/Dragon. Remember, as well, that after swearing peace and love for the Medianites,
    a city of Christians and Jews, the Medianites helped Mohamed conquer Mecca.
    That night, the Muslims returned to Medina and slaughtered all the inhabitants.
    The bodies were buried in the Great Plaza so the murderers would have the
    pleasure of hearing the bones of Jews and Christians crack under their feet. In
    order to halt Jesus from coming in to take his throne in Jerusalem, they made
    the Gate Beautiful a graveyard. And, prophecy says, all those bodies will be brought
    back to life by Christ and cast into the Pit. Since that was made known several
    years ago, a number of Muslim families have removed their ancestors from the cemetery.
    If you follow the Elohim, then you know what happens to Muslims after Jesus
    returns. They get punished severely for following an apostate religion.

  • NewCreationDave

    I'm a born-again Christian but this stuff is silly. You don't SAY prayers - you PRAY! What's the point of mumbling something with "Jesus Christ" in it? Either you are praying or not. Our nation's leaders are anti-God so they can't pray anyhow. Any Christian in attendance at any government function can pray before, during and after. Just pray and stop letting them make an argument of it. They can't stop you. Heck, they don't even know you're doing it! JUST DO IT! They didn't take "prayer" out of schools or anywhere else. They just took out the recitation of stuff with God in it. So what? Go ahead and pray. The dirty little secret is that prayer is still allowed EVERYWHERE ... ANYtime!

    • gotroy22

      Liberals think there is a Constitutional right to not be offended and the name of Christ offends them.

  • GrizzMann

    Can you mention Jesus in the muslim sense? How about Apollo, another son of god? Thor, yet another?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Ridgway/1413095773 Dan Ridgway

    This is what Marxism is all about. Get rid of parents and religion and people become beholden to the state.

    • nickRay

      Actually, Marxism is about worker control of the means of production and, eventually, the withering away of government and direct popular democracy. At least in theory. Read Marx and Engels and see for yourself, if you're so inclined.

      • DCW16

        More insanity from Nick . . . Marx and Engels were the fathers of Communism and Fascism . . . the Party was always in Control . . . the workers were the slaves.
        The Party had the big cars, their own stores to shop at . . . while the workers shared . . . and what did they share Nick . . . they shared POVERTY . . .
        Examples today . . . Cuba, North Korea, and Venesula.
        My concern is the USA is heading down the same road . . . there are Marxists in the WH today . . .
        Only those "Programed" by the Public Education system could identify with this insanity today . . . marxism has been a dismal failure everywhere on the planet it has been tried.
        Marx was an atheist . . . you obviously identify . . .

        • nickRay

          Marx and Engels were in fact the main theoreticians of communism. Not Fascism. Probably have to give that grim distinction to Mussolini. North Korea is a Stalinist cesspool all right. But Cuba and Venezuela and especially China raised huge numbers of people out of the destitution that capitalism and imperialism forced on them. cuba not so much so although that was most likely the fault of the embargo. Fedel certainly imrpoved health and education standards for ordinary Cubans though. Thats why they crushed the Yanqui aggressors at La Batalla de Giron so badly the mercenaries didn't dare try again. I wasn't particularly endorsing state socialism, by the way. Just correcting your gross misrepresentation of what it actually is. You do remember it was the capitalist West that practiced slavery, right? That whole buying and selling human beings thing? Its the very essence of capitalism. The ultimate commodification.

        • DCW16

          Mussolini was an huge fan of Marx and Engels . . . Mussolini invented Fascism and it IS Communism light.

          Cuba is a Commie chithole . . . always has been. You been watching too many Mickey Moore movies . . . Che killed more people "Per Capita" in Cuba than any Marxist despot. Read Humberto Fontova's Book on Che Guavara to get the truth of life in the Cuban Gulag ! ! ! Cuban healthcare . . . lol . . . they could not save Hugo.
          http://www.hfontova.com/

          Back to Mussolini . . . the man was a Devout Socialist, but thought the Bolchaviks were too harsh . . . the executed the wealthy and royalty . . . but Fascism merely confiscated their assets for the State and kept them alive to run them.

          http://ray-dox.blogspot.ca/2006/06/this-is-expanded-version-of-article.html

          A Leftist prophet

          The ideas of Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), the founder of Fascism, are remarkably similar to the ideas of modern-day Western Leftists. If Mussolini was not the direct teacher of modern-day Leftists, he was certainly a major predecessor. What Leftists advocate today is not, of course, totally identical with what Mussolini was advocating and doing 60 to 80 years ago in Italy but there are nonetheless extensive and surprising parallels. Early in the 20th century, he prophesied that the 20th century would be the century of Fascism and he got that right in that most of his ideas are still preached by the modern-day Left.

          In Mussolini's own words

          Let us listen initially to some reflections on the early days of Fascism by Mussolini himself -- first published in 1935 (See the third chapter in Greene, 1968).

          "If the bourgeoisie think they will find lightning conductors in us they are the more deceived; we must start work at once .... We want to accustom the working class to real and effectual leadership".

          And that was Mussolini quoting his own words from the early Fascist days. So while Mussolini had by that time (in his 30s) come to reject the Marxist idea of a class-war, he still saw himself as anti-bourgeois and as a saviour and leader of the workers. What modern-day Leftist could not identify with that?

          "Therefore I desire that this assembly shall accept the revindication of national trades unionism"

          So he was a good union man like most Leftists today.

          "When the present regime breaks down, we must be ready at once to take its place"

          Again a great Leftist hope and aspiration.

          "Fascism has taken up an attitude of complete opposition to the doctrines of Liberalism, both in the political field and in the field of economics".

          The "Liberalism" he refers to here would of course be called "Neo-liberalism" today -- the politics of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Mussolini opposed such politics and so do Leftists today.

          "The present method of political representation cannot suffice".

          Modern-day Leftists too seem to seek influence outside the normal democratic channels -- from strikes and demonstrations to often successful attempts to get the courts to make law.

          "Fascism now and always believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say in actions influenced by no economic motive"

          He here also rejects the Communist emphasis on materialism. Leftism to this day is often seen as a religion and its agitators clearly often long to be seen as heroic and unmaterialistic.

          "Fascism repudiates the conception of "economic" happiness"

          Leftists today also tend to regard consumerism as gross (or say they do as they drive off in their Volvos).

          "After the war, in 1919, Socialism was already dead as a doctrine: It existed only as a hatred".

          Socialism has never been a buzzword in North American Leftist circles but it certainly was for a very long time in the rest of the world. And to modern day British Leftists too socialism has a meaning that is more nostalgic and emotional than concrete and many would be prepared to admit that it is functionally "dead". Mussolini, however was 70 years earlier in announcing the death. It should be noted, however, that Mussolini was principally referring here to the policies and doctrines of his own former Socialist Party -- which was explicitly Marxist -- and which were far more extreme than the socialism of (say) Clement Attlee and the postwar British Labour party.
          "Fascism ..... was born of the need for action and it was itself from the beginning practical rather than theoretical".

          Modern-day Leftist demonstrators too seem to be more interested in dramatic actions than in any coherent theory.
          " one would there find no ordered expression of doctrine but a series of aphorisms, anticipations and aspirations".

          This is how Mussolini described early Fascist meetings. Modern-day Leftist agitators too seem more interested in slogans than in any form of rational debate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000372344940 Sylvia Sweet

    Dan Smith, when did public buildings become your building,that something new on me, a public building is any one's that wants to use it, what a fool you are,and all those people who wants to be pushed around by bullies in that town are fools. Say you are afraid of all the money you will loose? well bud you are going to loose a lot more than money

    • nickRay

      when did public buildings become churches? Public buildings are for the public's business -- all members of the public regardless of the religious beliefs or lack thereof. Dan Smith is making sure that's the case and that makes him an American hero. Want to see a fool? Go find a mirror.

      • DCW16

        Heard them say a prayer at Las Vegas Speedway last Sunday Nick . . . is it a church now? Which of the brothers are you . . . Dumb or Dumber?
        Lieberals are soooo much fun . . .

        • nickRay

          The Church of the Heavenly Hemi and AJ Foyt is their Jesus. Praise the Lord and pass another sixpack!

        • DCW16

          Yea nick . . . and they are mostly hard-working honest folks . . . unlike the Blue States that are mostly Bankrupt Dependant lieberal paradises . . .

        • nickRay

          You're the one that insisted on dragging religion into a professional sporting event. Not me pal. I have no problem with car races or car racing fans. Except for the noise levels I see no difference between races and football or baseball. I've been to a few tailgate parties myself. And as for your ignorant rant about the "bankrupt Dependant (sic)" blue states, its us blue staters subsidizing you welfare queens in the red states. See for yourself: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

        • nickRay

          And just how much public business is conducted at the Las Vegas Speedway by the City Council DCW? You say I'm dumb but you can't grasp the difference between a prayer at a private race track and a government facility in a country whose Constitution explicitly bars mixing government and religion. So are you really just too dense to understand the difference or do you hate the Constutution? Its one or the other.

        • DCW16

          Council meeting . . . attended by the public . . . owned by the public . . .

          What Constitution you talking about? Not the US Constitution . . . read it LOON ! ! !

          Constitution says the Federal Government shall recognize NO DENOMINATION as the State Religion . . . nothing more . . . how do you extract "you cannot pray" . . . out of that?

        • nickRay

          "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
          Tell you what "constitutional conservative:" You highlight where in this complete text of the the first amendment guarantee of freedom of religion the word "denomination" or "state" appears and post it. And you were saying something about literacy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        • DCW16

          Dopy nick . . . the framers of the Constitution did not want the US federal govt to recognize any DENOMINATION as was and is the custom even today in Europe.
          Their language in NO WAY BANS Religion . . . it RESTRICTS the Feds from Recognizing a Religion as the National Religion. This has been explained to dopy lieberals many times over two hundred years . . . but you still labor under the dillusion that a Negative statement in the Constitution telling the Feds what they CANNOT DO . . . has something to do with what a CIty Council CAN DO? That is just loonie nick . . .
          This is why today . . . America has so many "Low Information Voters" . . . and so many folks that just want free stuff . . . Decades from now parents will be telling their children about the "Good Ole Days" in the USA . . . when folks had jobs, new cars, nice houses and bank accounts . . . . IT WILL ALL BE A FOND MEMORY ! ! !

        • nickRay

          LOL. DCW spends an entire week insisting the 1st amendment says things it doesn't. Now he inventshis own personal interpretation of it and changes the subject to some of his other, unrelated mania's and delusions. Well he's a Tea Partier. Can't expect any different I guess. He's certainly never heard of the 14th amendment. Nor has it soaked through his poor addled brain that nobody (Ibut him) argues the 1st amendment "bans religion" (I'l spare everybody the superfluous capitalization). That's the point. By prohibiting government from favoring one over another the framers ensured that everyone would be free to practice their religion. Everybody is free to pray all they f-wording want to. But public officials conducting public business can't do it or endorse anyone else doing it. And, may I add, thank God. But of course that's not DCW or the other fundys on this thread are about.He doesn't want, say, Muslims to be free to practice their religion. He'd give birth to twin calves if the city council opened an official meeting with a Muslim prayer of course (Gawd forbid!). It's all about him shoving his beliefs down everybody's throats. And that just makes him a very very very bad American and a Tea Partier - which is pretty much the same thing. But this is boring now. I'm done.

  • wildeagleone

    The citizens that sit around and complain and not take action by marching on city hall are the ones to blame for this ban. If you don't fight for your rights, they will never be given back and God will come down on you as well as those that oppose him. Ban together and March On This City NOW, take it back and recall all on the city council

  • DilloTank

    Violation of First Amendment. End of discussion. Beginning of armed rebellion?

  • http://www.facebook.com/aunt.dot.3 Aunt Dot

    THIS is just what that sob in our white house wants. God is part of our lives... if you choose to not respect that, I cannot respect your anti-God rhetoric. We can and should start 3 minutes earlier in order to start with our prayer OR you can wait outside while we say our prayer and then enter. Your choice... this shows respect on both sides!!

  • R Stone

    There is NO power without the Name of Jesus Christ, because God made that name have power... only. These are the normal steps to persecution that will come.... unless....

  • TAM44

    The demoncrats has turned this country into a cesspool of filth, just look at the trash in the white house and in the obama administration.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shirley.scurlock.77 S Robinson Scurlock

    Read Acts - it is the same spirit - rising even stronger now because his time is at hand - the spirit of anti Christ has always been here - but in the USA it rears its ugly head! What can they take after they have taken everything? What can we give more than He gave for us? Be bold as a lion - like those who went before us! I pray for strength to if need be - to make a list of all my goods prepared for them, just for the privilege of whispering His name - Jesus! I pray it will emanate from every tongue and in every language! .

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.thomas.568294 Jeff Thomas

    still cant figure who they are that hate Christ huh? let me give you a clue..THEY killed Him and they claim they are Gods chosen people...

  • steven

    can we be any stupier than that !!!!

  • George Wentzel

    You worthless Jerks keep it up, there's special accommodations waiting for you at the end of the line.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AJ4WSS44AJOJW52LNDSFLFQ3MQ GEORGE

    It's not just the atheists.

  • Jude O'Connor

    Freedom of speech is gone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RobertAlexander.Salvage Robert Alexander

    Too bad most preachers neglect to use Gods name ie Yahweh

  • Don

    I can understand why the name of Jesus might not be included in a pray. After all the founder of this country used God a number of time but not Jesus. Some of the founders said the New Testament was to far out for them. There are five great religions of the world and we Christians are the only one that believe in Jesus. We would have a fit if each prayer we heard in a public place mentioned Mohammad or Buda.

  • Shermer

    If a Muslim gets elected to the council, and a Hindu, and a Native American, and a Jew, will the other councillors sit respectfully while they have their prayers?

    • DCW16

      "If a Muslim gets elected to the council" . . . Why don't you go to Dearborn and see what they do . . . lol

      • Shermer

        What has that to do with just one being elected in Longview?

  • Sol

    This is great news! Another victory for the separation of Church and State.

    • truepatriotintx

      Oh yeah, that fictitious "separation" you people speak of. There is NO SUCH Thing!

      • Sol

        The only thing fictitious in this discussion is the Jesus nonsense. God had a kid! Doesn't get much funnier than that! It's like a soap opera or something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Norrstjarnan Ostara Norrstjarnan

    Religion has absolutely NO PLACE in government. Never did, never will. Your 'Christian' principles are older than Christianity and don't belong to your belief system. Way to get it right, Longview.

    • truepatriotintx

      As usual, you have it completely backwards...Government has NO PLACE in Religion, not visa-versa. You have twisted the forefathers meaning of this and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

  • Paul

    It's a lot easier to take council meetings seriously if people aren't looking to an imaginary sky fairy for guidance.

    • posthuf

      What I can't understand is if atheists really don't believe there is a god, what are they so afraid of that they refuse to let those who believe there is one mention His name!

      • Paul

        Ummm, that's the definition of an atheist. Anyhow - it's not a case of being afraid of anything, the issue is they object to people making stupid decisions and infringing on other people's rights based on their beliefs. You can believe what you want, just don't expect me to live my life in accordance with your beliefs.

  • tim

    a victory for freedom of speech and freedom of religion. nobody should be forced to bow down to somebody's imaginary friend in the sky.

  • John

    How about you stop believing in magic and join the rest of the human race in the 21st century? Just a thought.

  • http://twitter.com/chev327fox Brandon Gould

    It wasn't becasue of the non-religious... they did this to make it so as to not step on the toes of OTHER religions. Wow, apparently gullaible and hard headed.

  • http://twitter.com/cyclonefan80 Curt Donelson

    Is christ so powerless than a simple city council prayer can ban him from the entire city? Turn that angry eye to a mirror, fundamentalists, and you'll see the true root of all your problems.

  • Guest

    This sham of a website keeps deleting any opposing viewpoints. First Amendment, indeed!

    • http://www.FlickPodcast.com FlickDude

      Only the penitent man shall pass! Penitent! Penitent!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773692362 Jansen Waddell

    "Christ Banned From Another US City"

    LOL what an overly dramatic headline. It should be more like "State-sponsored Religious Coercion Banned from Another Secular US City"

  • http://twitter.com/SeanMetts Sean Metts

    Wow, some of you actually suggested that this Smith person should die. Real sick people out there. Guess what...you can't prove that your religion is more real than any other religion that exists so let it be. Thanks.

  • Guest

    Let's just allow a prayer for each recognized God, there were only around 3,000 of them at the last count. Not sure how long that would leave for the meeting though. Hey ho...

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=539419425 Owen Harper

    God doesn't belong in public places and councils, If you want to pray do it in the comfort of your own homes where your opinion isn't being forced upon others. Not praying in meetings does not support atheism or shun Christianity, it merely stops one religion being pushed down the throats of those that don't believe in it or want it.

  • Let's be reasonable

    You seem to be missing the point of the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . ." Mentioning Jesus (or Thor, Odin, Baal, etc.) shows a preference toward a particular religion. The town council is a government body and therefore shouldn't show a preference toward Christianity or any other religion. I understand Christians are always looking to connect with the history of their religion by making it seem as if their being persecuted but this is ridiculous.

  • Joker

    Religion is SO unpractical and out dated it isn't even funny. Religion has absolutely no business being involved in politics, the workplace and education unless of course you are studying religion. Just think
    what your workplace would be like if it was run thy same way as God runs things here on earth.....leave a set of instructions so long that they constantly conflict with each other, totally disappear and expect things to run like a fine Swiss watch. If any employee falls out of line or bad mouths the boss - forever will you suffer! For those that do a great job however they do not believe in the boss - forever will you suffer! For all the lazy buggers that do as little as possible however believe in the boss - forever you will be rewarded forever. We must not let the real world operate like this therefore there is no room for religion in the politics, the workplace or education system.

    • DCW16

      Can you say that again in "English" . . .

  • robheggie1

    Wonderful news.

    How ironic that the author thinks "freedom of religion" means the freedom to force your religion onto other people!

    • posthuf

      The religion of atheism is being forced on our nation by a handful of "tolerant" people like you. What are you so afraid of if there really is no God?

  • Let's be reasonable

    Shouldn't we be slaughtering goats at all public meetings?

  • http://www.facebook.com/barefootmatthew Matthew Medina

    I'm one of those "cranky atheists". Allow me to clarify, since there seems to be some misunderstanding. We have no problem with anyone exercising their freedom of religion. What we have a problem with is government endorsement of a single religion to the exclusion of others. That's AGAINST the establishment clause of the First Amendment. When the people elect others to represent them in a democracy, they must represent ALL their citizens, not simply the majority and their beliefs. If the elected city representatives wish to pray before council meetings, they can do so without it being part of official government business. No one's rights to profess their faith are being impugned, they can still pray on their own time.

  • Joker

    Another thing I would like to mention is that the trend today seems to be that when anyone does not get their way they have been "bullied". The misuse of this word takes away the real meaning of it and will prevent it from being taken seriously when it needs to be.

  • disqus_we4Birw45q

    If prayer was so essential, what did they do before it was introduced "in the 1950s"? Sounds like it was the religious folks who wanted to change the tradition, thus undermining the separation of church and state.

  • Guest

    Make sure you delete some more comments in your quest to live in a bubble unvarnshed by facts and the reason of the civilized world.

  • smithware

    Are prayers to Thor still allowed? He's about as real as Jesus is so probably not I guess.

  • zack g

    The problem I have with this article is you're forgetting that America is a democratic republic not a democracy. Therefore even if a thousand christians demanded the right to mention jesus that does not give them the right to infringe on his first amendment rights to be free of religion. In a democratic republic, everyone's rights are protected under the constitution and the majority can not infringe on the minority. The founders were aware of the downside of democracy where the majority can create mob rule over the minority.

    • Let's be reasonable

      This! ^^^

  • Wowbagger

    Willfully missing the point again. It's quite simple, really. You've been doing it wrong since the 1950s, and it's taken all this time to put it right. You're free to believe and worship what you like, but NOT to force it on others in Government-sponsored meetings and buildings. The separation of church and state is fundamental to a true democracy. You wrote the rules, don't complain when someone tries to enforce them!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Shike/100001966333402 Roger Shike

    Awesome. Another step towards the cure for religion. The age of reason is here.

    • DCW16

      "The age of reason is here."
      I would suggest the age of reason is past . . . why you say? Today we turn out abject morons out of our public schools and universities. We believe in nonsense like Gorebull Warming. We are dumb enough to elect a man with ZERO experience to be pres. We think "guns" kill people and that mooslimes will be good citizens. Critical thinking left the building decades ago . . .

      Now we are left with mobs of non-thinkers who just Want Stuff . . . Free Stuff . . .
      When the illegal aliens take away you rights and your country . . . there will be NO Great Generation to bail you out this time . . . they are all dead ! ! !
      The weak minded lieberals are all that is left . . . especially in Dimmicrap states, many that are facing Bankruptcy today.

  • UH

    Leave it to fundamentalist Christian prostelytizers to continue their cherry picking ways when referencing the Constitutional Amendments.

    Article [I] (aka The First Amendment)
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
    religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
    the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
    people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
    a redress of grievances.

    The first Amendment is just as much about freedom of religion as it is about free speech. This is know as an Establishment Clause. And there are two interpretations for these, neither of which infringes on anyone's right to free speech. These are 'separation' and 'accommodation'. It is the second of these that has been used in this case and does the best job of meeting the wants and needs of everyone involved. 'Separation' on the other hand would ban outright the use of any religious prayer in any governmental function.

    It is nice that you all like A Book, but there are many more from which to choose.

    -An Actual Washington Resident

    • DCW16

      A washington resident . . . lol Do you drive a Prius?
      Saying a prayer is Religion or Establishing Religion?
      Only in the lieberal mind . . . its been a Tradition at council meetings for decades . . . like since the city was founded.
      Separation . . . is a concept of the lieberal mind . . . for 200 years they got it all wrong . . . then a lieberal in the 60's figured it out . . . insane ! ! !

  • Matt

    Christianity in the US is finally evolving into something better, more consistant and proper. Atheism. And your constitution calls for seperation of church and state.

  • http://twitter.com/FredricktheMad Fredrick The Mad

    I'm sorry but this line,

    The latest victim to be raped of their First Amendment rights of free speech and religion is Longview, Washington.

    Please learn how to write and express a thought properly then return to try and make your asanine point.

  • http://blog.shax.com Dave Houlbrooke

    Kinda seems like they're wasting time praying when they should be governing.

  • Deep Diver

    Wow, Christians really are clueless. Keeping specific imaginary deities out of government meetings is precisely what the Constitution requires.

    So if you want to live in a theocracy, you are against the founding fathers and have more in common with the religious leaders of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Somalia.

    Article 11: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." - Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by the US senate on June 7, 1797

  • http://twitter.com/numalum Numalum

    Pray to your own god in your own time. Council meetings are not restricted to Christians only, so why do you insist on forcing YOUR religion onto everyone else? You wouldn't be happy if an Islamic prayer was said at a public meeting. This is pure selfishness. Is your definition of persecution not having everyone agree with you?

    Also:
    "The latest victim to be raped of their First Amendment right"?
    This is not an appropriate use of the word "raped".

  • Deep Diver

    To the author of this article, could you please show us specifically where in the US Constitution your little god is mentioned? I can't seem to be able to find any reference to your god, or this person called Jesus... you seem confident that it's there, so please provide us with a reference.

  • Deep Diver

    Actually, Jay Spears touches on this topic perfectly via song, "Smak Dem Christians Down"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16R4aeYBXww

    It cute to watch these little Christians pretend to be perpetually persecuted. They are nothing but a bunch of uneducated, whiners. Your Jesus will soon be considered as imaginary as Zeus, get over it. The ancient Greeks did.

  • Rafael

    Jesus was not banned from the city. You can worship your god at home, you can practice your Christian faith in your church, you can even go out on the streets and scream to the whole town that you are in love with Jesus Christ. But this is public affairs. I'm with the "one sad atheist". They should bang the gavel and start the meeting. The City Hall is not the place to worship gods.

    • Wowbagger

      And how do we know he was a 'sad' atheist? He may have been spectacularly happy. I am.

      • Rafael

        I quoted "one sad atheist" because this is how the author wrote. I don't agree with that. I am being ironic about it.

        • Wowbagger

          I knew that. I was just picking up on the author's biased and loaded assumptions about the personality of someone (and indeed something) he knows nothing about.

  • Deep Diver

    Q: What's the difference between an Islamic theocracy and a Christian theocracy?

    A: Absolutely nothing.

    • DCW16

      You obviously have not read either book . . . or a History Book either . . . ignorance is bliss . . . to a lieberal . . . but they always have opinions of things they know nothing about.
      Most . . . like you, don't have Clue One ! ! !

      • Deep Diver

        You know who else were liberals? The founding fathers. This is why people laugh at Christians.

        • DCW16

          ONce again Deep . . . your Ignorance abounds . . .

          The term Classical Liberal was the basis for Western Democracies . . . it was about Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Association and thought.

          Last Dimmicrap that could pass for a Classical Liberal . . JFK . . . who would be considered a radical right winger today . . . go back and listen to his speeches.

          This is NOT modern lieberalism . . . which is a hybrid of marxism/fascism and Socialism . . . good read . . . .

          http://ray-dox.blogspot.ca/2006/06/this-is-expanded-version-of-article.html

          MODERN LEFTISM AS RECYCLED FASCISM

  • Agarnier

    If your gullibility allows you to believe in a saviour named Jesus who supports and comforts pedophiles and liars within his churches, you should at least respect other's rights not to be oppressed by your thoughtless insanity. Religion has no place in the reality of human affairs. There are serious problems facing humanity that have been exacerbated by the blatant dissension of religious doctrines since the beginning of recorded history (Gilgamesh). Fairy tales cannot solve or placate the problems of inequality in human societies.

  • Michael Drient

    Religion should not be imposed on others. If you want to believe in your fictional fairy tales that have been proven wrong that's fine by me but when its forced upon other people i take issue with it and so I support this towns modernizing choice.

  • Butterfly Christie

    Jesus was not banned from public schools. It just can't be prayer that is forced on the rest of the students. It can't be from an official public school employee. Students can pray on their own all they want. This isn't about restricting religion. It's about the opposite, keeping government away from religion so one religion will not be forced on another with the government. This protects the freedom of religion. There is a reason why these things only happen at government funded property.

  • rich_bown

    "In today’s America, the complaining of the one tramples on the constitutional rights of the many." the whole point is to treat all equally, not have the majority run roughshod over ANY minority, regardless of race, sex, religion, or what their favourite beatles song is. Thankfully the founding fathers of the US knew that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

    • http://twitter.com/CyningDom King ♔ Dominic

      "Imagine" is mine. Anyone?

      In fact, let's have everyone sing "Imagine" at the start of council meetings. Just the first verse about "no religion too", five times over. Everyone would be free not to join in...

      • rich_bown

        Love that idea! And if you don't like the Beatles just shut up and sit in the corner as the majority love them!

        • Wowbagger

          I don't like the Beatles, though I grudgingly endorse the sentiment of 'Imagine'. But then I have no soul.

        • nickRay

          Bravo!

      • DCW16

        Written by John Lennon . . . the guy that followed the Guru in India . . . laughable . . .
        It was a "Socialist Anthem" . . . nothing more . . . they loved it in the old Soviet Union.

      • nickRay

        what King D sang...er...said!

  • http://twitter.com/CyningDom King ♔ Dominic

    You honestly don't see anything wrong, with you getting your beliefs shouted about in a meeting that represents people 'of all faiths and none', when nobody else is allowed to talk about their faith (or lack thereof)?

    So if the majority were atheist, you would be fine if every meeting began with a lecture on how God is illogical and can't exist? You would of course be allowed to step out of the room while it was going on, if you disagreed.

    Or how about starting every meeting with a moment where Democrats can stand and give a lecture about socialism - but no equal chance for Republicans to respond? Republicans would, of course, be allowed to step out of the room while the democrats had their lecture.

    No: these meetings are places for EVERYONE, not just the majority (silent or otherwise). If the majority want to sing 'the Red Flag' at the beginning of the meeting, they don't get to do that either. The state cannot come down on the side of one party or one candidate or one religion. Until the constitution allows the state to promote a single religion/political party while not mentioning the others, you are not allowed to do this. Equal airtime for all faiths, or NO airtime.

    Christ, I know more about your constitution than you actual Americans do...

  • http://www.facebook.com/scott.raively Scott Raively

    Here's a novel idea. How about you pray to yourself, should you so choose. I'm an atheist, and even I know that Jesus said prayer was a private, personal matter.

  • Guest

    Separation of church and state. Pretty simple stuff. If you don't like it, try moving to pretty much any other country. kthxbye.

  • rich_bown

    Matthew 6:6 "but when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private."
    why are you praying at public meetings?

  • rich_bown

    Matthew 6:6 "but when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private."
    why are you praying at public meetings?

    • Wowbagger

      Ha, I was just about to post that Rich. So, even the churches have been getting it wrong all these years :)

      • rich_bown

        Yeah, even though it's written down clear as day, there is some weird translation of it that reads "pray loud and hard at any given moment, especially outside of church" that politicians have picked up on.

        • Wowbagger

          It's all there written clearly between the lines, in bold white ink on a clear white background. But only the faithful can see it.

  • SpaghettiMonster

    Seperation of Church and State. Pretty simple stuff. If you dont like it, try moving to pretty much any other country. kthxbye.

  • Guest

    Separation of Church and State. Pretty simple stuff. If you dont like it, try moving to pretty much any other country. kthxbye.

  • Guest

    LOL, my comments keep getting deleted.

    • Wowbagger

      I thought that, but then I sorted the posts to show "Newest" first using the "Discussion" dropdown tab.

      • SpaghettiMonster

        yep saw that too. what a horrible site design. after posting a comment the default sort is to effectively hide your comment? terrible.

        • Wowbagger

          Yep, clunky. Still, at least common sense seems to be rising to the top this way :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000028490837 Alfred Laurence

    Wait a deuce, an omnipotent, omnipresent deity is subject to will of man? Huh, guess that makes your god not so powerful after all.
    Obviously you people don't stop to think of the irony and contradiction you spew before you spew it.

    • Deep Diver

      Precisely. If this god were real, why doesn't he just stand up for himself rather than have the uneducated, whining Christians stand up for him?

  • Jessica

    Would you agree to share your prayer time with a muslim, hindu, or sikh. Probably not, how dare you presume your fairy is better than anyone elses. Sad fact is youre all delusional. Feel better soon

  • http://www.facebook.com/lautaro.arino Lautaro Arino

    The stat cannot express any religious affiliation, ofcourse. That would be discriminatory.The ammendments are mostly there to make sure the majority does not oppress the minorities, no?

  • Public_Citizen

    Once again the overwhelming majority are being subjected to the tyranny of one person who has a record of being a crank.
    Somebody in the jurisdiction needs to look over the charter for this municipality and any other documents such as a published Order of Business. The Invocation may be found to be a required element for a lawful meeting, If that is found to be a fact then any action taken at a meeting without an Invocation would be null and void.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.thomas.568294 Jeff Thomas

    have you figured the antichrist movement that are behind this arent gods chosen people yet?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.eastridge Richard Eastridge

    Look we are aloud to and pray to whom, we please but at least with jesus you see peace and people working together as one . So As Americans we are ONE NATION UNDER GOD. if we dont at least no that one simple thought, look what is happening to our nation this illegal alien is not gonna let this go, we are gonna have to fight together for our childrens future ok. its america stays free for our children or we lose this nation to a worthless piece of crap like this imposter and thief. That is our White House and now this maggot won't let our Children take tours. your choice . I take Jesus.

  • posthuf

    Anybody with a lick of common sense and half a ball would take moves to change the laws! What on Earth are you idiots going to do with your local muslims protest that you don't allow allah to be praised in your meetings?

  • DE Navarro

    You know, quite honestly, it's as much theory and conjecture that the "sky fairy" doesn't exist as that he/it does. It's really a 50/50 proposition. No way to prove either way to others.

    So it comes down to either believing or not.

    Today is man's day - the day of judgment of men.

    There's a day coming when that ceases and some people are going to be pretty shocked.

    You don't know Him because you don't walk with Him.

    I do.

    It's about as preposterous telling me He doesn't exist as telling me I haven't typed this message to you.

    Go ahead, get angry, yell at me, hit the down arrow, accuse me of believing magic, accuse me of believing in fantasy and fairy stuff -- I really don't care. When you personally know Him and know you are right, all the whining and stupidity doesn't matter.

  • Carolyn Crain

    As a local Washingtonian I thought I'd let you know that the objections of the one supported by a few responding commenters have been heard and overruled. Longview will still pray and IF that clergy of the week so chooses they will exercise their freedom of speach and their freedom from religous oppression and invoke the name of Jesus Christ. This very morning our Clark County Commissioners held a hearing on beginning each meeting with an invocation which we have not done before. After comments from the people mostly against it a comments from others like myself who were for it as long as it does not turn into a prayer meeting, :), the vote was taken and invocations will be held at the beginning of meetings weekly from now on. Can I sing that I feel freer than the sparrow now that no one can say thou shalt not pray?

  • ConservaDave2

    This is called the "tyranny of the few," when one nasty, intolerant, hateful, bigoted Christophobe selfishly getting his way at the expense of the many. We need a Dept. of Common Sense to put morons like Danny-boy Smith in his place.

  • cat22463

    america deserves what it gets. christians didnt vote in the last election they dont stand up and pull the evil left from office we are sodom and judgment is coming hopefully to barrys media first

  • http://www.facebook.com/jessica.a.mays Jessica A. Mays

    I live in Longview, Washington and this mayor is worthless. He just sits back and lets the town go to pots. The creek running through the town is full of human waste and garbage and people have told the town leaders about it and the towns people were rude. Makes me puck!!!! Washington State makes Illinois look good