Let’s Call Taxation What It Is: Theft

Bill Kristol, a long-time spokesman for neo-conservatism which is just another name for the road to serfdom by the slow route, says it’s no big deal if millionaires are taxed more. Obama won. Give him what he ran and won on. Here’s what Kristol said on Fox News Sunday:

“Elections have consequences… The leadership in the Republican Party and the leadership in the conservative movement have to pull back, let people float new ideas. Let’s have a serious debate. Don’t scream and yell when one person says, ‘You know what? It won’t kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires.’ It really won’t, I don’t think. I don’t really understand why Republicans don’t take Obama’s offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. Make it $500,000 — make it a million. Really? The Republican Party’s going to fall on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires? Half of whom vote Democratic, and half of whom live in Hollywood, and are hostile to Republican principles?”

Kristol seems to forget that we did not elect a king. We are a constitutionally politically divided government. It’s built into our system. We are not a democracy. If we were, then why bother with either a President or Congress? Why not just vote on line? Whoever gets the most votes wins.

In Abraham Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address, he said the following about slavery: “It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces.” How is it morally justifiable to steal men and women, enslave them, and then put them to work for the benefit of others and then claim that God approves? He doesn’t.

But these are millionaires. They can afford it. Kristol’s view, and that of so many others, is a form of “participatory budgeting.” Let’s let the people vote on taking more money from the productive (California’s Proposition 30) and then ask them how it should be spent. If people are given the legal option to take money from people so they get a piece of the action, of course they’re going to vote to do it. It’s better than robbing a bank because there are no criminal sanctions. In fact, it’s the law of the land, socially just, and “fair.” Image a law where you can empower people with guns to take money from the rich to give it to you. It’s a thief’s dream come true.

The claim is made that if enough people vote for civil rulers that impose progressive tax rates then the confiscation is believed to be morally justified. At one time slavery was also justified by law and majority opinion. We’ve seen where that took us. We’re still paying the price for that form of legalized theft.

I’m glad to see Bill Kristol, Karl Rove, and Dick Morris self-destruct. Good-bye and good riddance.

88 thoughts on “Let’s Call Taxation What It Is: Theft

    1. You are so right DontTreadOnMe11 – and I can’t figure out where so many of us want the government to audit the Fed that they don’t do it. Except that there is something to hide or they would be very willing to open the books for our inspection. And I wonder if Bill Kristol really believe that obummer won, won fair and square that is!

      1. The government at every level and in every branch is heavily infiltrated with America’s enemies, the globalist Satanic neo-cons’ criminal conspirators who are only concerned about their own wealth, power and connections with the other Satanic globalists.

    2. Every president who tried to get rid of the fed has been assasinated or in the case of Andrew Jackson, he was shot in the stomach but survived. Kennedy started to print currency backed by silver separate from the fed and look what happened to him. People never associate the Kennedy assasination with the fed or any other assasinations of presidents but look at the one common thread, they each wanted to get rid of the fed.

        1. The Satanic globalist bankster-gangster neo-cons of all nationalities, including fake jews, killed him.

        2. No! Jews did not kill Kennedy (what are you an anti semite,racist or just a bigot?)the government did, and had their fall guy Lee Harvey Oswald to blame… like he could shoot two times from two different locations! give me a break.

        3. Yes, absolutely and LBJ & HWB knew exactly what was going on and that “ef-be-eye” director, I can really assure you many of us know the One who will take the bums out and do real Justice, in fact many of those involved are being held right now in a secure place awaiting trial of the Great White Throne! The people who give all their support to the man of perdition will go straight to the place of outer darkness (black hole, no light can escape?) for knowingly doing ‘that’ Judgment (man of perdition & false prophet) has already been announced! Holy Scripture (Bible) is awesome when His Spirit enlightens you of whats being said. You have to have Christ Jesus sacrificed blood covering (Saved) before it can be understood, time is quickly running out, He did it all! It could get real ugly before Jesus comes for the Church, whats much worse is denying Him, no one needs or want to go there, it is Horror, way beyond anything Hollywood could ever dream of. We might have this day, tomarrow might be too late. I believe most of us are on the same page here, the timing of the Church going Home may be different, I believe (as do most Christians) believe that ‘that’ hour is Daniels 70th week, the Great Tribulation is the last 42 month’s, which too (I strongly believe is wrong) late, remember, in Matthew Jesus is speaking to Jews, Luke (Greek) was the only non Jew there, the Church was not even conceived until the day of Pentecost (50 days after Jesus is caught up in the air) and the last, last trump is an Angel who reaps the chaff from the grain, that’s a totally different deal! The restrainer is the Holy Spirit in us (the Church) being the Church is the Bride of Christ of coarse He’ll keep us from that Hour, during the time we (Church) will be at the Judgment seat of Christ (what we did for Him and to our ‘temple’ bodies! Jesus told us ‘when these thing start to begin that we are to look up!

          note; I would of finished what Jesus said but knew it might be confusing to some.

        4. Johnson and the Chicago Mob killed Kennedy. JFK’s dad had the help from the Mob to when the elect. JFK & brother tried to bury the Mob. Johnson wanted to be President & the Mob wanted to left alone.

      1. @Eileen. There are theories aluding to Kennedy’s assasination being linked to the fed. I believe that Kennedy was not a New World Order leader, just as DeGaulle was not. DeGaulle believed that that attempts on his life was connected with the Kennedy assasination. (Guy Banister sent $200,000 to the OAS in 1962, for example.) The Feds certainly are part of the New World Order.

    3. Right on! And should it come right down to it, we can say dumping the Fed is coming from Obama.
      Let the dirt clean up it’s own filth.

        1. I’m not the old coot blaming the Jews for the actions of many groups that have worked together to create this mess. You are blinded by hate. You can’t even explain the reason of your hate. You most likely inherited this hate from your elder family members and continue in a failed attempt to honor them through your irrational adherence to hatred.

        2. The ovens you talk about were just as phony as you.The jews had to have laws passed to force people to believe that lie or go to jail. The truth needs no laws. It stands on it’s own merits.THINK ABOUT IT.

        3. Oldcoyote is a moron. My father was in the second world war and has a footlocker filled with photos of dead bodies stacked at extermination camps in Germany. Apparently oldcoyote was there and faked them for my dad? Jew haters are the LOWEST scum on earth.

        4. FDR (jew), Churchill (1/2jew), ,and DeGaull all wrote their memores right after the war and not one mention of it. I find it odd that these three could write several thousand pages with no mention of any of this happening whatever.
          The World Almanac’s show more jews after the war then before. Check it out. None of these sources have any reason to falsify the truth.

        5. Oldcoyote, my uncle marched into one of those death camps and saw the death and desolation first hand. You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Jews are God’s chosen people. They have been persecuted enough without old coots like you throwing more hate in their direction.

        6. Do some math and you’ll come up short every time. There are five and 1/2 pounds of bones in a human body. BONES DO NOT BURN. That’s over thirty three million pounds of bones using their six million figure. Where are they??? Every site has been went over with ground penetrating radar and nothing has ever been found. What kind of lie do you have to try to cover that.

    4. The Federal Reserve is a private organized crime racketeering bankster-gangster organization that has been robbing the American people blind for the last 100 years. It is the main cause of the economic problems that are now engulfing the American people. Ron Paul wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve and restore HONEST CONSTITUTIONAL MONEY to America, but the Satanic neo-cons’ mainstream lying, propaganda media referred to Ron Paul and his supporters as “fringe” and used their power, wealth and influence to put Ron Paul and other constitutional candidates out of the presidential race. How far has America sunk when obeying the constitution is regarded as “fringe”.

    5. I agree, if America has any gold left. Ron Paul would have been the best Republican candidate because white male Democrats would have voted for him.

    6. ….SSSo why not just have a $50 Thomas Jefferson bill , a $20 Washington , a $10 Laffayette , a $5 Buffalo (Native American founding fathers ) , a $2 Constitution coin , a one dollar Ron Paul coin and of coarce a $100 Ted Turner bill , a $200 Queen Elisabeth II bill , $500 Telsa gold reserve bill , 50c Einstein coin , comemerative quarters , 10c Eisenhower , hollywood nickels , & commemerative pennies §;-)

    7. There is a small book called “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat, (“The Classic Blueprint For A Just Society”). This compilation should be required reading in all of our schools and colleges. It is published by the Foundation For Economic Freedom (www.fee.org). Plunder is wrong even if it is “legal”.

    8. Actually, it’s easier than that. Get rid of the “law” banning private currencies and coinage – private currencies (precious metal coins, bitcoins, etc) that have real backing will obsolete the dollar.

    1. Some taxation is necessary, of course. We do have to fund our defensive efforts and other Constitutional functions of government.

      However, taking money from one productive citizen to give to an able-bodied person who simply refuses to work IS theft. It may be government-sanctioned theft, but it is theft nonetheless. What right could you possibly have to the fruit of my labor?

      1. Oh, so “taxation is theft” turns into

        Of my money that is taxed,
        Of which some goes to certain kinds of social programs,
        Of which some goes to fraudulent claims,
        That is theft.

        “However, taking money from one productive citizen to give to an able-bodied person who simply refuses to work IS theft. ”

        It’s also a strawman to imply that anyone is for that. No one is supporting giving money to able-bodied people who simply refuse to work.

        You don’t want your money to go to helping people, I don’t want it a wasteful drug war. Advocating for better use of taxes is fine – that’s not what you’re saying when you say “taxation is theft.”

        1. Bah. That is exactly what I am saying when I say that “taxation is theft”. It is absurd for you to suggest that the amount of money that is given to freeloaders via social programs is somehow negligible. One trillion dollars was spent on various “social programs” last year – everything from food and housing assistance to cash payments. All doled out by a government that relies on my taxation (psst – I have my own family to feed and house, thank you very much. If I wanted more children, I’d have had them), as well as borrowing that steals from my children’s future.

          And yes, there is a large contingent on the left that is for this type of redistribution. Democrats win elections by promising various groups of people free access to this, that, and the other thing. You have young women who want “free” birth control, cheering mobs who eagerly celebrate the re-election of their food stamp President, and others who have everything from free cell phones to subsidized housing.

          As for not wanting my money to go to helping people, that is a red herring. I devote both time and money to charities in my local area. I help people directly. You are suggesting that government is the sole repository of charitable activity, which is sheer and utter nonsense.

          And again, what right do you have to enjoy the fruit of my labor?

    2. There are several. Simply do your homework on line!

      I have not paid any FICA since 2003; NO US property taxes since 2004, and NO income taxes in the US since 2007.

      Ret expat MD: NBME; ABIM; ABNM; ABR w/spec comp iNR and 45 years in medicine

      fmr LCDR MC USNR NUKE (resigned 4 July 1978)

      I paid several US$MM taxes in my life, and had a series of great income producing businesses as the managing general partner.

      Sure hope the idiots in DC don’t miss me

  1. Some taxation is necessary. But most taxation is theft – to flund bloated government, unconstitutional and harmful programs, and redistribution of income adn assets from the producers to the takers. Every person who is not a leech on the rest of us needs to recognize this and fight it.

    1. Don’t forget that the communist/socialist so-called “help the poor” programs are enacted and set up by corrupt, lying and thieving politicians and bureaucrats for the purpose of stuffing their own pockets and gaining greater power and control over the American people. Milton Friedman said that if the poor actually received all the money that is supposedly given to them they would be rich.

      1. Lets say they were to confiscate all the rich peoples money and give it to the poor, all that would do is make the former rich poor and the former poor rich! then they would have to steal it back from those evil rich people and give it back to the poor and it goes on and on and on and on…get it! (the only thing is that the poor wouldn’t get the money the government would steal it.)

    2. No, it isn’t necessary. Donations, charges for services IF people use them, and import tariffs can support any legitimate national service. It is not “necessary” to violate God’s law…it never is. Thou shalt not steal.

      All taxation is theft.

    3. And any “compulsory” charge is theft also. It would be like me mowing your lawn without your consent, and then “charging” you at the point of a gun for my “service”.

      The only types of exchange that is not theft is a VOLUNTARY this-for-that exchange, or a VOLUNTARY donation.

  2. When more than half of our hard earned money is CONFISCATED at gun point [ LAW] , then we are what we are……SLAVES.. we’re there.

  3. Can American citizens CUT OFF THE FUNDING for UNconstitutional laws since congress isn’t interested in defunding UNconstitutional bureaucracies, agencies and programs?

    Here are two of the ways that two citizens kept the Satanic government crooks from robbing them.

    Fake OMB numbers on IRS forms could be why Robert Lawrence won case over IRS.

    Article from the Welcome.FreeEnterpriseSociety.com, free catalogue: All Charges Dismissed! On May 12, 2006 in Peoria, Illinois, the attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice motioned the court to dismiss all charges against IRS victim Robert Lawrence in Federal District Court. The motion for dismissal came on the heals of a surprise tactic by Lawrence’s defense attorney Oscar Stilley. The tactic threatened exposure of IRS’s on-going efforts to defraud the public. The move put DOJ attorney’s in an apparent predicament and with just days before trial filed a motion for dismissal, with prejudice.

    Sixty days earlier, the DOJ had indicted Lawrence on three counts of willful failure to file a 1040 form, and three felony counts of income tax evasion. The federal Judge dismissed all charges with prejudice, meaning the DOJ cannot charge Lawrence with those same crimes again for the same years.

    The trial was to have started on Monday morning, May 15.

    On Wednesday, May 10, Stilley mailed a set of documents to the DOJ in response to DOJ’s discovery demands. The documents revealed to DOJ that Lawrence was basing his entire defense on an act of Congress, 44 U.S.C. 3500-3520, also known as the “Paperwork Reduction Act” (PRA).

    In Section 3512 of the Act, titled “Public Protection”, it says that no person shall be subject to any penalty for failing to comply with an agency’s collection of information request (such as a 1040 form), if the request does not display a valid control number assigned by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in accordance with the requirements of the Act, or if the agency fails to inform the person who is to respond to the collection of information that he is not required to respond to the collection of information request unless it displays a valid control number.

    In Section 3512 Congress went on to authorize that the protection provided by Section 3512 may be raised in the form of a complete defense at any time during an agency’s administrative process (such as an IRS Tax Court or Collection Due Process Hearing) or during a judicial proceeding (such as Lawrence’s criminal trial).

    In sum, the PRA requires that all government agencies display valid OMB control numbers and certain disclosures directly on all information collection forms that the public is requested to file. Lawrence’s sole defense was that he was not required to file an IRS Form 1040 because it displays an invalid OMB control number.

    Government officials may have been concerned that if the case went to trial, it would expose the fraudulent, counterfeit 1040. They may also have been concerned that a trial would expose the ongoing conspiracy between OMB and IRS to publish 1040 forms each year that those agencies knew were in violation of the PRA.

    Any information collection form, such as IRS Form 1040, which lacks bona fide statutory authority or which conflicts with the Constitution, CANNOT BE ISSUED AN OMB NUMBER. If a control number were issued for such a form, the form would be invalid and of no force and effect.

    Under the facts and circumstances of the last 24 years, it is safe to say that IRS Form 1040 is a fraudulent, counterfeit, bootleg form. Government officials responsible for this fraud should be investigated and face indictment for willfully making and sponsoring false documents.

    Robert Lawrence’s documents made these points quite clear:

    A) IRS Form 1040 violates the federal Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA) and is therefore a legally

    invalid form.

    B) Under the Public Protection clause of the PRA, no person can be penalized for failing to file a 1040 if the IRS fails to fully comply with the PRA.

    C) The PRS statutes explicitly provide that a PRA challenge is a complete defense and can be raised in any administrative or judicial proceeding.

    D) The IRS Individual Form 1040 has not and cannot comply with the requirements of the PRA because no existing statute authorizes the IRS to impose or collect the federal income tax from individuals. That lack of bona fide authority makes it impossible for IRS to avoid violating the PRA.

    Since the case did not go forward to trial and since the DOJ is not and will not tell the reason for asking for a dismissal, it is impossible to determine, with any certainty, the actual reason for the motion to dismiss.

    The DOJ must have felt that going forward would result in a probable loss for the government. If that happened, the press and others would quickly spread the word. The DOJ is exercising more caution probably due to the devastating loss against former IRS special agent Joe Bannister in 2005. That case has received a massive amount of national attention. The PRA is a powerful tool, and one the freedom fighters have used for some time. In fact Free Enterprise Society was instrumental in developing this issue in years past.

    Was the PRS the sole reason for the dismissal? I hope it was a main reason but we will never know. Still, IT IS A VICTORY FOR ALL AMERICANS LOOKING FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY.

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    Vernice Kuglin reveals IRS’s fraud

    FexEx Pilot Beats IRS! FedEx Employee Beats IRS in Court by Kevin Smith

    (from Free Enterprise Society’s free catalogue article)

    Substantially reprinted from the New York Times article of August 12, 2003.

    FedEx pilot, Vernice Kuglin, 58, legally has NO taxes withheld from her paycheck, and the IRS, like a child denied his fifth helping of ice cream, is throwing a temper tantrum.

    After being charged with six counts of “tax evasion” and having her passport stolent by the IRS, Vernice was acquited by a federal jury in Memphis, TN. Like many other income tax cases in which the victim has won, Kuglin’s testimony was bolstered by a stack of letters she had written to the IRS asking the Internal Revenue Service to tell her the law that requires her to pay taxes. True to its track record, the IRS refused to respond to her repeated inquiries. Instead, the agency used its standard “bluff and bully” strategy to try and force Kuglin to pay. though many women, or men, for that matter, would have buckled, Vernice stood firm.

    As court documents show, the experienced pilot filed a withholding statement on Dec. 30, 1995, directing that no taxes be withheld from her pay. From 1996 through 2001 she earned $920,000 as a pilot for FedEx, but no taxes were withheld, she said yesterday. Had she ignorantly allowed withholding for the period, a total of about $250,000 would have been stripped from her pay and given to the IRS. Sandra Munoz, a company spikeswoman for FedEx, said that the shipper was complying with all IRS regulations on withholding and did not say that Kuglin had done anything wrong. Minoz also did not say how many employees had submitted similar requests via W-4 forms or otherwise, and were having no taxes withheld. Joe Murphy, the federal prosecutor in the case, indicated in court that the agency intended to find a way to take all that it can by way of a civil action. Mr. Murphy did not say if the actions of the IRS were lawful, choosing to dismiss the issue yesterday by saying that he was not allowed to comment on the case outside of court.
    The lead defense lawyer, Lowell H. Becraft Jr. of Huntsville Alabama, said he built the defense around the absence of response by the IRS

    to Ms. Kuglin’s letters. He said the letter showed that his client lacked a criminal intent to evade the tax laws and was instead operating from a sincere belief that her conduct was proper. Mr. Becraft, who 12 years ago was part of a team that won acquittals for 17 defendants in another Memphis tax trial, said that jurors told him they had voted 7 to 5 for conviction on Thursday. They then told Judge Jon P. McCalla of Federal District Court that they were deadlocked. He ordered further deliberations, and the jury voted to acquit on Friday. “The whole thing could have been resolved if the government had simply answered her questions,” Mr. Becraft said. “It didn’t happen. I made an argument to the jury that an American has a right to ask the government for answers. A lot of people in the tax movement do not hide, they are in the face of the IRS and they write letters that set forth their position. And while a lot of them are not articulate or well grounded in legal positions, they have some things they want answered about their tax liability. But their questions are usually ignored.” Mr. Becraft also said, during an hour he spent with jurors after the verdict, their most focused comments were about the absence of a response from the IRS to Ms. Kuglin’s letters. The IRS was unable to state yesterday what policy it has on responding to letters asking it to specify the law that makes people liable for income taxes. Nancy Mathis, an IRS spokeswoman, quipped that the IRS had posted various items on its Web site and that it had issued press releases stating that taxes are mandatory, yet she did not cite any sections from the Internal Revenue Code.

    In interviews over the last nine years, scores of people who affirm that they are not required to pay the income tax have said that they had sent letters to the IRS asking what law makes them liable for the taxes, yet they had received no response. Ms. Kuglin said yesterday, “I believe the 16th Amendment is constitutional and the Internal Revenue Code is constitutional, but I also feel there is a gross misapplication of the individual income tax laws by the IRS. The questions I have asked are what section of the Internal Revenue code makes me liable for the individual income tax and what law requires me to fill out the Form 1040 tax return,” she said. Ms. Kuglin said she hoped to resume flying as soon as the government returns her passport, which was seized after her indictment early in the case. Congratulations, Ms. Kuglin! Her DVD can be ordered for $11.00 plus $5.00 shipping. Order #04DVK

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  4. Kristol, Rove, Morris and their ilk are self-serving and willing to compromise other folks core beliefs because they have none of their own.
    Claims that real Conservatives must acquiesce or compromise indicate how little they care about or understand what our values are and why this war against Liberalism and all its’ collateral immorality must and will continue.

  5. If you live in Greater Los Angeles area, do not buy anything here, with the sales tax being almost 10%. Go to another county, that’s cheaper .

  6. According to the Founding Fathers – We’re not supposed to have our property, or, income, taxed…. So, why can’ t we do what they wanted, instead of what the communist stooges want.

  7. Before there was a “progressive” tax system to redistribute the wealth we relied on tariffs on the importation of goods and services. This was when the United States was the most powerful country on earth and was able to produce just about everything it needed. Then we did away with tariffs (free trade crap replaced them) and depended upon income taxes to pay for obligations. Since the US is the largest consumer market on the planet, countries like China depend on it for their survival. Reintroduce tariffs on all goods and services entering the country. We could lower the income and corporate taxes way down. Most American companies, producing goods in foreign countries, could return home as it would not be any more profitable to produce in a foreign country. I won’t hold my breath, though. Too much corruption in our federal government to change anything for the better.

    1. Actually, we don’t have free trade at all and we still have tariffs (on sugar, for example). The so called “free trade agreements” like NAFTA are anything but free, they would be better called “managed trade agreements that are favorable to certain privileged elites”.

  8. Actually, I dont agree with Kristol’s reasoning but the action could be a good thing. Since the leftist progressive tyranny is so ingrained, reform is unlikely. So, let us give this charlatan everything he asks for and then make sure he gets credit for the disastrous results. The success of ju jitsu is based on carrying your opponent’s moves to his detriment.

  9. The blog had this Lincoln quote: ““It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces.” How is it morally justifiable to steal men and women, enslave them, and then put them to work for the benefit of others and then claim that God approves? He doesn’
    But if God was against slavery, why did he put the children of Israel into 400 years of bondage in Egypt? And why do the holy scriptures say that those same children could take their enemies as slaves when they took the promised land by force?
    Lincoln was an idiot. Who are you to judge God or say what he approves of? Lincoln setup this monster that is taxing us to death. There is no such thing as a life without slavery.

  10. The federal government are nothing but crooked thieves and we’ve let them thrive by not taking action. We need a new tax code for the people by the people not these do nothing DC insiders who get paid for sitting on their butts waiting for their pay.

    We have 545 who tell over 300 million how things should be and how they are going to be, we need term limits for ever last one of these profiteers who get rich at the tax payers expense. No one should be appointed a life time job like the supreme court justices are as it makes for a one sided vote like right now for example obama care and the way these liberal scum voted against our wishes.

    Flat tax 20 percent and no such animal as the IRS AKA the Internal Redistribution Scum

  11. Well, pal, that magic tipping point has arrived with this election. We are now officially promoted from the 47% to the 51%, and the likelihood of turning back is slim to none. And in the always futile attempt to prop up an entitlement mentality socialist empire, they will slowly begin bleeding the ‘rich’ dry until they’re gone. And STILL, the house of cards comes crashing down.


  12. So let’s see if I have this right. If you make $249,000.99 you’re not a millionaire and you pay regular tax rates. If you make a penny more you’re a millionaire and have to pay higher taxes, even though you’re paying around 39% of all taxes. Is that it?

  13. I don’t agree that taxation is theft. Clearly there are legitimate expenses for government that must be paid for somehow. That said, our forefathers agreed in the Constitution what government could lawfully expend money for. As much as our tax dollars are spent on those things, I am for it. As much as they are spent on other things (cash for clunkers, Obamacare, Dept of Education, for example) I am against it.

  14. “Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society”, said Oliver Wendell Holmes. DeMar DeLiar undoubtedly knows that quote, but clearly doesn’t agree. In fact, DeMar and his followers are engaged in a never-ending effort to uncivilize America, but they will never succeed. All DeMar and his cool-aid drinking minions will achieve is showing the rest of the country what a hate-driven mob looks like, sounds like, and smells like….and their odor is sickening enough to turn everyone else away.

    1. Hate much yourself? Look at your language and your attitude. First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be qualified to take the sliver out of another’s. Physician, heal thyself.

      Besides, any truly civilized person knows that civility comes from within, as a result of self-discipline, honor, courtesy, integrity, faith, etc. Only a cretin would think it comes from extorting taxes from the productive to give to a profligate government or entitled class of “gimmees”.

  15. Bill Kristol has always been a Moderate, which is a another word for spineless. He’s always willing to cave, just so we”We can all get along. He doesn’t understand the LOONy Left. The only way we can all get along is to do it their way, if not , you’re a bigot and a racist. He and like minded people are the reason America are headed for the septic, and the Loony Left look at them as their ship of fools. I,d like them to just cross over, so the uneducated voter could see who they really are.

  16. The federal government is supposed to represent the states, but it doesn’t, it represents the interests of the political and banking elite who themselves have no allegiance whatsoever to America.

  17. Had the GOP given Ron Paul the floor and had the elections, from the primaries on down, been fair and honest, he may well have been the Candidate on the Republican ticket. Had that happened, I suspect it would be Ron Paul taking the 2012 Presidency and not Obama. As it stood, I could not vote for Obama or Romney in good faith, since both are CFR Puppets cut from the same cloth … both are ‘one-world’ politicians and both would lead us in the same direction (although, I suspect they’d have taken different paths to erase America’s borders in favor of the NAU). I would have voted for Ron Paul in a heartbeat, as would many other people I know. Sad that the corruption in our Nation is so severe, that they don’t allow honest men a chance to take office.

    I have no doubt in my mind that Ron Paul would have put the establishment’s plans in total reverse, including such bold moves as abolishing the IRS. He knows, as do many of the people, that the IRS are thieves in disguise … sort of like the Federal Reserve, without whom, there would be no need for the IRS to begin with.

    I suspect a Revolution will be the only way the people will be able to put our beloved Nation back on track. We must salvage our borders if we intend to resurrect our Constitution, and reverse the damage done by the bankers and bought off politicians (most of whom should be swinging from a rope for treason) that are destroying America.

  18. “Let’s Call Taxation What It Is: Theft” – AMEN.

    Now let’s apply reason to this, take it to the logical conclusion: The constitution grants congress the “power to tax” e.g. the power to steal. Hence, the constitution is a direct affront to God’s law and natural law. Quit supporting anti-God documents.

    And finally, theft is theft regardless of how the money is used. Taking money by force to pay for “welfare programs” is just as much theft as taking money by force to pay for legislators, presidents, representatives, soldiers, police, teachers, firefighters, code inspectors, etc.

    If anyone supports ANY government program paid for by theft (taxes), then they have no moral grounds to object to ANY government program. If you want soldiers/cops/teachers paid for by taxes, how can you argue against “welfare”, free birth control, affirmative action, etc.?

    Kinda puts things into perspective…the Voluntaryists / Anarchists have had it right all along.

    “Either make the tree good and it’s fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt and it’s fruit corrupt, for a tree is known by it’s fruit.” – by none other than Jesus Christ.

  19. The Constitution does not give anyone the right to tax anyone. It was the Bill of Rights, actually an un-ratified 13th amendment to the Constitution that was never voted on,( so it’s really ILLEGAL AS HECK), to create the IRS. So there you have it. IRS is a rogue institution, never voted on or approved by a majority, just signed into law by a president, Mr. Woodrow Wilson, who started stealing people’s money for their own benefit and discretion.

  20. If a man steps out of an alley, and sticks a gun in your face, and says, give me half your money so I can take it and feed the poor, and freeloaders who do not want to work, we would consider that man to be a thief and call the police to arrest him. But when liberal, bleeding-heart liberal politicians pass unconstitutional laws that take half our money to feed the poor and freeloaders, that is called taxation. Different name, but it is still theft, but this time legal theft/robbery.

  21. It is real easy. Lets just totally destroy the will to create and excell. Why work our minds and butts off only to be taxed to the level of an entry level union member. Lets all take our shoes off and live off the system just like the masses.

    I would never start a new business in this country nor employ anyone.

  22. I wonder if Bill would pay more out of his money if thinks it is good to pay more to the goverment .i am sure he wil found ways to no pay more out his pay check . But tells we should what a wimp and hypocrite .He should stop being in dc to long and be with people that are not high paid goverment media reporters like him .

  23. Inflation, Confiscation, and Taxation are all three different names for the same thing, theft of private property without being compensated for it. Get rid of the Federal Government , the Federal Reserve, and allow the states to govern themselves, if the people like the way their state is run they will keep the Governors in place, if not immediately have recall elections and recall any governor that doesn’t work to benefit the will of the people.

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