Obama Wants Doctors Interrogating Patients About Guns

A week ago, Breitbart had reported that Obamacare actually prohibited the Department of Health and Human Services from collecting information on gun owners. Awr Hawkins wrote:

 “It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect ‘any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.’”

Obama has now clarified with his recent executive actions that Obamacare does not actually prohibit doctors from interrogating their patients about guns. In fact, the Obama administration is encouraging doctors to do just that. Here’s the relevant passage taken from the Weekly Standard:

  • Preserve the rights of health care providers to protect their patients and communities from gun violence: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.
  • Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.
  • Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety: Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.

This is one problem with the “mental illness” caveat. We want to make sure people who buy guns aren’t mentally ill and don’t have a history of mental illness. Even many conservatives are in favor of these restrictions. They sound like a good idea, but you can see where this will lead. The media have been trying to portray gun owners as aggressive nut cases and mentally unstable. All a doctor has to do after questioning you is claim that you are mentally ill because of your opinion on guns and the 2nd Amendment. They can claim that you suffer from delusions and paranoia. When they express their concerns to the authorities, you’ll be required to turn in your guns.

I would guess that for now, most doctors don’t care about these things for their average patients. But as those doctors get older and retire and are replaced by more Obamacare friendly doctors, we can expect much more regular and intrusive questioning and psychological evaluations to make sure we’re good, cooperative socialists. And if you’re a good, cooperative socialist, you wouldn’t have a gun in the first place.

87 thoughts on “Obama Wants Doctors Interrogating Patients About Guns

  1. If a doctor suspects a child is being abused, they are required to
    report it. If they suspect a patient has mental problems, they could
    reasonably be expected to examine the consequences. Asking every patient
    about guns is going overboard, but in some cases it would be well
    within reason.

  2. Next they will ask if you drink and drive; have unsafe sex with animals; cheat on your taxes; pay your bills on time; think about abnormal activities; swim naked; brush your teeth every night; masturbate to pictures of Harry Reasoner; read Mad Magazine; feed your pets; park your car on the street or garage? You’re kidding?

    1. If your doctor asks if you have any guns in the home, just tell him no. They may required to ask, but we’re not required to answer truthfully. It’s not like nobody lies to their doctor.

      1. I was reading the posts and was just getting ready to write the same. Just say NO! What are they going to do ? Take away your birthday?

      1. These are the same people who consider pregnancy a disease, as well. Who cry ‘for the children’ while supporting horrific practices that ALWAYS KILL ALL children it touches – up to and including ‘partial birth’ abortion.

    1. The CDC has nothing to with Gun Control, but now our MARXIST president is using he CDC to set up a group to collect information on, who might be mentally disturbed enough to commit a crime with a gun, and how to treat them. The doctors then will send a report on their patients, that might fit that description. Then the MARXIST president can say to the people, “see how many people we have determined mentall ill, and look at how many attacks we might have stopped”.

      Understand this president it out to destroy the Republican party first. Obama’s ideology is to turn American into a socialist country, such as Greece and France, and to do that, he needs to destroy the Republican party to achieve his socialist agenda. He is the most pathetic, destructful president I have ever seen in my lifetime. Now that this is his last 4 years…..watch what he does. He is only getting started.

      I’m just wondering if Obama has to destroy this country, before the people who voted for him, and are slobbering all over for him, will wake up. It will be to late then. Somethings will never be able to be turned arouond by then…..such as Obama Care & the Affordable Act…….which will be the the, Unafordable Act. You haven’t seen anything yet, as to the cost of the Obama Care.

  3. First…The term, ”mental illness”, needs to be defined. I suspect anyone who opposes Obama’s Marxist policies may be considered mentally ill.

    Second….This violates our current HIPPO law.

    Third…..Foreseeing the potential for abuse within the system, we would be prudent to guard what we say and to whom we say it or our ‘free speech’ may come with a cost.

    1. Free speech went down the toilet over four years ago when the Islamic,Muslim Illegal Dual CITIZEN (BLACK) OBAMA was put in the BLACK HOUSE formerly known as the WHITE HOUSE A SYMBOL OF FREEDOM. Now a symbol of third world Muslim Dictatorship.

    2. who is mentally il is determined by who is in power. Now, to all the dumb arses who “thought” it would be good to vote for the gay arab, his definition of mentally ill is anyone who does not agree with him and kiss his wife’s butt

      1. Correct, whenever they decide to punish a citizen on a trumped-up charge, they will just say that person is mentally ill and therefore a danger to him/herself and needs to be interned in a FEMA facility. Forget being able to purchase a gun because all the background checks will come back with the statement that the person requesting permission to buy a gun has been found mentally incompetent to own one. It will be a process of elimination.

    3. Think about what you just said …we would be prudent to guard what we say and to whom we say it or our ‘free speech’ may come with a cost. Now, if I need to be prudent about what I say and to whom I say it, it seems to me that my Freedom of Speah has already been infringed!

  4. This is all going to lead to an insurrection before it ends. Obama will be greatly surprised that the law enforcement and military he is depending upon will refuse to turn their guns on citizens. He will be surprised one morning to wake up and find our house, the White House, surrounded by tanks and the barrels won’t be pointing outward.

    This is a government of the people, by the people and “We the People” are getting fed up with the loss of liberty. Better to die on you feet than live on your knees.

    1. You make very good points here, Bob. This in part is what happened during the 1956 Hungarian revolt against the Russians. The Hungarian military did not know that their own citizens had risen up against the Russian dictatorship because the Communists controlled all communications. With an Hungarian tank division barreling down the road [with Russian tanks behind them, of course] toward Budapest, it was discovered on the outskirts of that city that it was not a foreign invasion, as they had been told, but their own people finally fed up with Communist repression. They stopped their tanks and refused to fire on their own people. Suddenly from behind, the Russians fired a salvo over their heads which was meant to suggest strongly that they move on ahead and kill their people. The Hungarian colonel leading the Hungarian tank division, whom I happen to know personally, immediately ordered his tank crews to reverse their turrets and they opened fire on and completely obliterated the Russian tanks behind them. Of course, it was necessary for him and his men to escape the country, which they did and eventually made their way to the USA. The colonel eventually managed to get his immediate family out of Hungary at that time, began a very successful business here and has since retired. I don’t think our military will fire on US citizens. They may take out Obama, but not any US citizens.

      1. While I hope you are correct, I fear you are only partially so.

        Hungary is a relatively small country with a small population. They were all related (at least they had a common heritage and spoke the same language). To kill any Hungarian was to kill his third cousin.

        ‘Tis not so in USmerica today. The Army and other forces are made up of men from all parts of the country, and they have no specific connection to other states and regions. Moreover they have trained to do just that.

        We saw it in New Orleans with Katrina: National Guard troops from other states took the arms of Louisianans. There has arisen since then the Oath Keepers, but they are the exception, not the general case.

        That is the beauty of the militia: it is the community. The troops in the militia will not fire on their neighbors. It is one reason the Founders made the militia the central part of USmerica’s military, and why they disdained a standing army.

        Please do not mistake the National Guard for the militia. We’ve been told that lie for a century, but a lie it remains. The militia is all of us, “the whole people” in Adam’s words.

        Mr. O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

        1. I’m not looking for a job. (Nor are any of our seven children — they’re all working, too.)

          I ask on behalf of the 23 million USmericans who do not have jobs, or, who, having a job, do not have one they like, but are afraid of quitting because real jobs do not exist (and are unlikely to exist as long as the socialists are in charge).

          When government does manage to create a job, it costs taxpayers $250,000. Only the free market can create the wealth that requires jobs. Politicians should just get out of the way and let the market do its “invisible hand” magic”.

          They “should”, but they won’t. Not “doing something” doesn’t get headlines and campaign contributions. ‘Sides, they’re all “fixers”: they believe themselves more intelligent, more moral, more able to understand what people want than the people themselves. It’s not in their nature to let things work themselves out. They absolutely must do something, even when it’s abysmally wrong. “Even when”? No! Especially when it’s abysmally wrong!

          Mr. O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      2. Praying that it is so. The military may have to secure those within their own ranks though that might squeel a warning cry to Obama first. There are a few of those types within the military, but on a whole I think most of the higher ranked in the military are not like that. I also believe many non-officers could be trusted to take this country back if needed. If Congress, Senate and Supreme Court don’t get this in check, I could see the many true USA Citizens (those who have family history of family in the revolutionary war) along with most of the military doing what is right.

        1. The military may have the training and superior arms. But they have to be right 100% of the time. The local gun owner(s) only has to be right once. If troops come into a neighborhood to confiscate guns, they may get some, even all, but at what price? When they start killing their own countrymen and women, what does that make them? What does that make Obama? When this type of hell breaks loose, it will reach the white house one way or another. There will be no winners, no losers, just the dead and those that survive after refreshing the tree of liberty. The country will live on, a dictator removed and law and order and the constitution will live on. But at what cost? Obama could care less so long as he has power. Take that from him and all he has left is chooming with his socialist buddies. Perhaps Soros will build him a desert hacienda somewhere in Kenya when he bails out upon realizing his true identity is out. Obama has started this upcoming war already turning countrymen against countrymen. Haven’t you noticed he spends more time being divisive than nurturing. He has no soul. He lives for controversy and division. He wants nothing more than to ruin this country, if not financially, then from within by completely pitting us against each other. 83 million is the number he wants dead. 300 million is the number of firearms he wants gone. He is willing to use our children to do that. What will stop him? We the people can. Stand up to him, deny him access and demand our elected officials to do likewise. United we the people can, let him continue to divide us and we fail.

    2. I am saying this for several years… still waiting for the cavalry…….and then a direct flight to Guantanamo. I think an orange jumpsuit in size L will work.

  5. WELL: When I go to a Doctor it is because I have a Health or physical ailment.If while there the Doctor asks me if I have guns in my home I will ask the Doctor the same. Then I will inform the Doctor that a gun does not affect the condition I am there for and if the Doctor is unable to concentrate on my health issues I will find a Doctor who can. If I want to talk guns I will go to a gun shop or gunsmith.

    1. In a doctor’s office where such a question were posed, do you believe your response would not merit a red flag?

      Any doctor who’d ask would report you as unstable or dangerous.

      I believe a misdirection might be in order. Something, perhaps, along the lines of “I don’t have any guns now.” If you’re in your “examination suit”, that’s true, irrespective of how many weapons you might have at home.

      Following up with a change of medic would be a good next step.

      Mr. O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      1. why would you answer a question honestly to anyone who attempting to cause you governmental interference in pursuit of life liberty and happiness
        lie to the socialist pig complicit doctors ……….say no but your fired for asking

    2. If the doctor asks me if I have a gun I’m gonna take the 5th Amendment on the grounds that it’ll incriminate me. But, I agree with you, doctors shouldn’t be talking about what we own only about our health. I hope doctors refuse to obey this evil king in our White House.

    3. No, don’t do that! It will register a yes. Lie and just say no! Teach your children to do the same, or if you have guns, hide them and tell your kids you sold them. Obama will have the children betray their own parents. Have your spouse do likewise and tell all your relatives you have no firearms as well. What the government doesn’t know will hurt them, not you! When the Obama gestapo come calling, do what you have to do to survive, don’t be a victim. Obama will kill you if he has a chance. If not physically, them mentally and morally still achieving the same results. He wants war, he wants to destroy this country. He will try.

  6. If my Dr. ever asks me if I own a gun in the coarse of his checkup, I would ask him what is your reason for asking and if he tells me he has to because of new regulations from the government, I would tell him to report back to whatever government official told he this was a new government reg raise his right arm at approximately a 45 degree angle and say,

  7. My doctor can try all she wants to get that information out of me…the only thing she will get is an empty slot for a new patient.

    1. Don’t let him charge your insurance for his time. I had that happen once with an incopantent Doc. I protested and made them drop it.

  8. I would most certainly invite any medical practicioner to mind his own beeswax!! The same with our Marxist government. The problems this country has is centered in the oval office in the person of a dimwit!

  9. Clarifying -you’re kidding. Oh, that’s right, this administration will comply with, enforce, and enact only those laws they want to. No where in there does it indicate that Obama can try to reinvent what laws say – unless of course, that every US citizen can obey and interpret laws as they see fit. Make up your mind people.

  10. Doctor: Phil1985, do you have any guns in your home?
    Me: Go f— yourself.

    This should be your response too. Sweet and simple.

  11. Please send name and address of all physicians that ask these questions, also attach pictures of them visiting law enforcement. Doctors-That-Turn-You-in.org so you don’t need to worry about those who think government is the answer.

  12. Unfortunately, some doctors will believe they should comply right up to denial of Rx renewals. We had better educate our doctors to be patriots before it is too late.

  13. Doctors did not go to medical schools for 8 to 12 years to question patient about guns.?
    Their job is enforce preventive health care and treat diseases and complaints.

    1. I don’t know how doctors feel about this, so I can’t answer for them. I thought they went to medical school to practice medicine, not be informants for the federal government??

      1. Just because a person is a doctor does not mean they aren’t of the Liberal political persuasion. I think there are many of them who are liberals and of course as with all liberals they believe they come under a different set of rules than we do……because naturally we aren’t as smart and therefore shouldn’t have the right to make our own decisions. It’s called “Obamamania” and it afflicts thousands of Americans as well as illegals who are within our country and partake of our handouts, and of course who are regular voters.

    2. Yes but did you read about the Pediatrician who asked a small child whether there were any guns in the house? The child apparently answered yes and the doctor subsequently called Child Protective Services and had them come and remove the child from its home… due to “child endangerment” of course. That is a true story and I wish I could remember the source, but I was shocked after reading it. Since then I read that Pediatricians are going to make it a practice to question children in such a manner.

  14. If a Dr EVER asks me about guns,, I will simply ask him if his wife wears 6″ heels and a thong and does it doggie……

    When he tells me that’s none of my business,, I’ll simply reply,,,, EXACTLY ! ! !

  15. Obamacare itself is already in violation of HIPPA law (requiring that you tell the IRS all about your health care plan; sorry that’s also none of anyone’s business and it’s between you, your insurance company and your employer if you get it thru your employer) so why not continue to violate HIPPA laws?
    Doctors can ask just about anything, but it doesn’t mean we have to answer them! Besides, it is part of a psychiatrist or psychologist’s job to try and determine if a patient is suicidal/homicidal, and guns are but one of many ways in which someone can off themselves – or others. I guess such doctors would also ask if the patient has any sturdy rope, any sleeping pills or poisons, any tall bridges or overpasses near where he/she lives….

  16. What about shrinks interrogating disturbed people like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Hillary, Reid and Panetta…..just to mention a few and deciding if they are mentally fit to work for We The People. Drugs, tobacco and alcohol abuse should be also investigated.

  17. To the author: There is a huge problem in what you propose. Doctors and psychiatrists have little or no ability to diagnose patients. What you propose can easily turn into Gun Control for vast numbers of American citizens, including all dissidents. In addition, many Americans have seen psychiatrists and psychologists, which makes them suspect. Also, there are cures for mental illness outside of the Allopathic System of Medicine, but you would deprive all those with a history of mental illness from owning a gun, even when they no longer have a pathological illness. Since psychiatrists have little ability to diagnose mental illness in the first place, how would they know if a person is free of mental illness – cured? What you are proposing is not the correct answer: The answer is to mandate an upgrade of the diagnostic techniques used by Psychiatrists and Mental Health Professionals – actually all Allopathic Physicians. What you are proposing sets us up for creeping Gun Control. The only thing that safeguards the liberties of the American people is to upgrade the diagnostic skills of Mental Health Professionals, so diagnosis is accurate and respects the rights of every individuals both those suspected of mental illness, their victims, and innocent ordinary citizens.

    It is time we quit paying Psychiatrists huge salaries for inadequate patient maintenance with absolutely no cures for chronic mental illness and thoroughly inadequate diagnosis. Chronic mental illness has a disease pathology that does not just reside in or originate in the head. The pathology of mental disease affects the brain through chemical imbalances, and mental illness cannot be cured with counseling – not ever. This is the
    problem: Allopathic Medicine has no cure for mental or any other chronic disease.
    Ancient Natural and Alternative Medicine had cures for chronic disease; however, treatment of chronic disease starts with expert patient diagnosis and ability to evaluate treatments. Allopathic Physicians have no diagnostic techniques, relying exclusively on limited laboratory tests and only on patient statements for psychiatric diagnosis. Pretending to handle the problem of mental illness is not going to get the job done no matter how much more money is put into the mental health system. Under our current system, nothing will be done to change the outcome for those suffering from mental illness or destruction of their victims because Psychiatrists do not have the skills to solve the problem. When an Allopathic Physician is presented with a cure for chronic
    disease, one receives a blank stare. These physicians take their orders from
    the pharmaceutical companies. In order to solve our societal problem, the solution below needs to be implemented to end chronic disease not only for sufferers of mental disorders and their victimization of others, but for all chronic disorders.

    Natural and Alternative Medicine uses 3 diagnostic techniques very successfully: Those techniques are Iridology, Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing), and either Expert Oriental or Ayurvedic Pulse Diagnosis. Iridology is accomplished via a camera linked to a computer. Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing) can even be done from a distance by mailing DNA swabbed cotton balls to a physician experienced in the art. Kinesiology was originally developed by Physical Therapists to ascertain where on the patient’s back a surgeon should operate to relieve back pain. Expert Pulse Diagnosis can either be Oriental or Indian Ayurvedic. Expert Pulse Diagnosis takes the most time to learn, but is absolutely necessary for any physician who wants to diagnose chronic disease or assess a patient’s status and the efficacy of treatments. An expert pulse diagnostician can detect the progression of the disease and the area of the body from which the disease originates. Pregnancy can be diagnosed within 24 hours of conception by a physician expert in pulse diagnosis. A combination of these diagnostic techniques gives cross-verification to the physician. And, the first 2, Iridology and Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing), will aid the physician’s diagnosis, until he is expert in Oriental Pulse Diagnosis. (Distance pulse
    diagnosis can be accomplished via a lock of hair by keying in on [DNA], just as can be done in Kinesiology Saliva Testing with a swabbed cotton ball.)

    Allopathic Physicians face severe incompetence in every area besides the Operating Room and treatment of infection, demonstrating a Dark Age lack of knowledge. Many people believe this ineptitude is due to a stranglehold on Allopathic Medicine by the pharmaceutical industry, but this problem is also due to ingrained arrogance and incompetence on the part of Allopathic Psychiatrists. The State of Texas refusal to accept a mental health diagnosis from anyone other than an Allopathic Psychiatrist bears witness to entrenched ignorance on the part of state regulators regarding the competence of psychiatrists to diagnose.

    Federal Government involvement in Medicine and Medical R & D is also a major factor in the lack of cures for chronic disease. There is too much money available from the Federal Government, so the status quo is reinforced instead of competent cost-effective treatment developing to meet medical needs. Necessity is the mother of invention only when the Federal Government isn’t in the driver’s seat handing out the dough.

    A step by step solution to the problem: Allopathic Physicians first need to learn Natural and Alternative Medical diagnostic techniques. Second, all of the old ancient medical formulas and techniques need to be researched. It is impossible to research efficacy of treatments without expert diagnostic techniques for value assessment on patients. I use an almost completely unknown acupunctureprotocol (self-administered much like a diabetic gives himself insulin injections) that treats many chronic diseases, as well as other little known medical knowledge for the majority of my health care needs. I use this acupuncture protocol now only for health maintenance. Friends are now asking me to share my medical knowledge because there is no treatment available for chronic disease. Chronic disease treatment is “Do it yourself healthcare, or do without because
    Allopathic Medicine provides absolutely “NO” cures.”

    The major solution to high health care costs and successful treatment of mental disorders is for states to mandate medical schools to teach expert diagnostic techniques to first year medical students. If students are lacking in proficiency in expert diagnostic techniques at the end of the first year of medical school, they need to be washed out of the program. We can eliminate the majority of the expense and failure in our medical system by insisting our states get tough on the way physicians are trained.

    Congress and State Legislatures can get Dr. Vassant Lad of Albuquerque, NM and, or other pulse diagnosticians to give demonstrations in Washington and the various state legislatures by diagnosing Congressmen while they are sitting in their seats in Congress. Dr. Lad or other expert pulse diagnosticians could rapidly perform a blind study for a state legislature on an acupuncture treatment protocol that I have in my possession that cures chronic mental disease as well as other chronic diseases. All that would be
    required is for Dr. Lad to take the pulse of patients before and after the acupuncture treatment, in order to prove that a profound change occurs when the treatment is administered. This acupuncture protocol can be acquired by contacting me: [email protected]

    House members can send a saliva sample to Healthy Bodies in Wills Point, TX to be diagnosed and receive treatment, in order to test the efficacy of this diagnostic method. Congress or a state legislature can invite an iridologist into the state legislature to
    diagnose everyone sitting in a House seat. Since these diagnostic methods can be demonstrated, our Allopathic Medical Establishment can make no excuses for current inept and expensive medical diagnosis and thoroughly inadequate palliative care.

    There is no excuse for mass murders. Another threat, under our current mental health system is the continuing risk of internment in a mental health facility for those who are not actually mentally ill, due to the lack of diagnostic skills. With the progression of our Police State, we could encounter the internment of dissidents, unless expert diagnostic techniques are implemented.

    Even with extensive training time for physicians and long times for treatment, our society could be well on its way to freedom from chronic disease within 15 years, if we insist on implementation of expert pulse diagnosis. Without expert pulse diagnosis, no Allopathic Physician will implement any of the Natural or Alternative treatments that surface because he has no ability to easily discern the value. That means we are stuck, until we change the system. Psychiatry has not progressed beyond its infancy, and it will only progress when the public insists on competent diagnostic techniques. We have the ability to make our state and federal governments give us better health care, so let’s do it.

  18. Hell – you cannot get enough face to face time to properly discuss medical issues and all possible solutions. Now you will be paying for a lecture not related to why you are there??

  19. There will probably be a charge for gun cessation counseling like my husband just got a few months ago from his doctor. Every year she tells him she wants him to quit smoking, as he smokes cigars. He does not inhale and chews on them more than anything. He is 82 and in excellent health for a man of his age. Anyway, he always tells her no he is not going to quit.
    Well, this last time he went, after he came home, he said they played the same cat and mouse game about smoking. I didn’t think too much about it until on his bill he was either charged $20 or $25 for smoking cessation counseling. I then asked him how long their conversation was and he said may l0 seconds or so. So I called the office and the girl said it was now required. I asked if it was due to Obamacare and she said all she knew it was in the appeasement act. Knew little else and that they must charge for it, even though it was about a 10 or 15 second conversation. No actual counseling.

  20. I don’t think there will be much cooperation from doctors. Onama’s nibbiness will eventually result in Obama forming a corp of federal Doctor Sitters, who will be looking over their shoulders and forcing compliance. This will be shortly before Obama abdicates the imperial throne and bugs out for Kenya.

  21. Anymore most DR’s come in and out so fast they don’t give a rip about you let alone if you have a gun. But in case they did my answer will be “My Gun My business,you got one”?

  22. Look, I’m a doc. I know which patients have guns because I do, too. We share stories about what and where we shoot. Today, I wrote down the web site that has good prices on ammo and gave it to one of my patients.

    Many years ago I had a patient who was the oldest active constable in the state. I wrote a letter recommending that he be allowed to carry a gun, even though he was in his late 70’s. True, his vision wasn’t that good, but his judgement was excellent. I would trust him with my life, just as he trusted me with his life.

    Carpe Diem,
    D. Marsh, D.O.

  23. I have already been asked about my guns. I told the Dr. that whether I had guns or not did not have any thing to do with my health. I left the questions unanswered and he did not press the issue.

  24. I will never speak to my doctor about guns; it is none of their business and has nothing to do with healthcare. The doctor cannot force anyone to do so either. Obama is a useless POS.

  25. Last year, my Primary Care Physcian had my wife an I fill out a new Health Questionaire that we were told was a part of the new Obama Healthcare Law….Contained within the questionaire was a question that asked if we owned any guns.
    Now, just like Obama I did not know that the law states that Physcians cannot asked that question.
    I asked the Receptionist what would happen if we refused to answer the question and we were told that we could be denied treatment.

  26. Repeat after me: “Doctor, none of your business.” I will leave it up to you if you decide to change your mind once the latex gloves come out.

  27. There ought to be a concerted, organized effort to have patients give (None of your business) as the standard answer . . . and pay for lawyers to defend them. The President _must_ be stood up to; acquiescence is approval.

  28. As far as doctors asking about guns in your home is concerned the answer is simple. LIE. This Government lies to us every day and there is no reason we shouldn’t return the favor.

  29. this is long but a very good read:

    Second Amendment in context:

    ***”The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil
    interference. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good. When
    firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour.” – George Washington in
    address to the 2nd session of the United States Congress.

    ***“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the
    peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” (George Washington)

    ***”The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most
    governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the
    narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and when the
    right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext
    whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of
    destruction.” Henry St. George Tucker, in Blackstone’s 1768 “Commentaries on
    the Laws of England.”, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court & U.S. Dist.
    Court of Virginia

    ***”Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are
    neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse
    for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
    than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
    confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare

    Those who argue that the Second Amendment was written just for militias are
    completely blown out of the water by the following quote from Thomas Jefferson.

    “The strongest reason for “PEOPLE” (My emphasis) to retain the right to
    keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
    in government.” – Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed.,

    James Madison is credited with the writing of the “Bill of Rights” and was
    pretty clear about the meaning on the Second Amendment.

    “The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans
    possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are
    afraid to trust the “PEOPLE” (My emphasis) with arms.”

    Here are a few others who help define the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
    It becomes very clear upon the examination of the meanings attached to the
    Second Amendment by our Founding Fathers that the original intent of the Second
    Amendment is being attacked in order to eventually disarm the American people.

    ***”I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
    few public officials.”

    George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the
    Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

    ***”Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before
    them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be
    occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the
    injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in
    their right to keep and bear their private arms.”

    — Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal

    ***”The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they
    be properly armed.”

    — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

    ***”That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize
    Congress to INFRINGE (MY BOLD) the just liberty of the press or the rights of
    conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable
    citizens from keeping their own arms … ”

    — Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth
    of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

    ***”Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they
    are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot
    enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are
    armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can
    be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the
    command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be
    just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will
    instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which
    appears to them unjust and oppressive.”

    –Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal
    Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    ***”No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

    — Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers,
    334,[C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950]

    ***” … to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way
    to enslave them.”

    — George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380

    ***”The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the
    phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only
    guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by
    the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those
    persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty,
    and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon…. [I]f the right
    were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated
    altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant
    to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people,
    from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear
    arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But
    this enables the government to have a well-regulated militia; for to bear arms
    implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and
    use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use;
    in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms,
    observing in so doing the laws of public order.”

    — Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition


    ***”Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
    we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power
    SOLDIER”, (MY BOLD) are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power
    of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments,
    but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the

    –Tenche Coxe, an American political economist and a delegate for Pennsylvania
    to the Continental Congress, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    Then there are politicians who insist in taking our Constitution out of context
    of time and original meaning. Once again, James Madison warned us against this.

    “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have
    perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted,
    bastardized form of illegitimate government.”

    Second Amendment:

    “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the
    right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms, shall not be INFRINDGED.”

    Arms, in the context and time when our Constitution was written meant the usual
    arms carried by militia members, everyday citizens or light infantry in the
    Continental Army. Many of these arms were supplied by their owners for militia
    duty and were personal weapons initially used for hunting or home defense. They
    came in all types and calibers; from a 30 cal. squirrel rifle to a 75 cal.
    smooth bore musket, pistols and shotguns of all types, calibers and gauges.
    They also included a huge variety of other arms including: knives of every
    conceivable shape and size, bayonets and swords. Many early citizens also
    carried tomahawks.

    Attempts to control the type and or caliber of arms Americans’ can possess are
    absolutely against The Constitution and the Second Amendment as it was written
    and intended. By the supreme law of the land (The Constitution), an American
    citizen should be able to keep and bear any weapon now used individually by our
    light infantry soldiers.

    Larger weapons such as cannon and mortars that could not be carried by an
    individual soldier or required more than one person to operate were considered
    to be “ordinance” and were not defined as “arms”.

    Words have meanings! If those meanings are bastardized all becomes chaos.

    “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have
    perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted,
    bastardized form of illegitimate government.” James Madison

    Definition of to KEEP: to hold or retain in one’s possession; hold as one’s

    Definition of to BEAR: to carry, transmit, transport, have a characteristic of
    and exhibit.

    Definition of INFRINGE: to “encroach” upon in a way that violates law or the
    rights of another.

    THIS IS THE WORD MOST FORGETEN……INFRINGE!!!!! Read the meaning!!!

    Definition of INFRINGE/ENCROACH…….. 1: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth
    into the possessions or rights of another. 2: to advance beyond the usual or
    proper limits

    Why is this so hard to understand? The meanings of the words in the Second
    Amendment have not changed since the amendment was ratified.

    I am not aware of the Second Amendment being repealed or amended.

    In reference to arms control by the states; the Fourteenth Amendment Section
    .1. is crystal clear.

    Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to
    the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
    wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; (My emphasis)
    nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
    protection of the laws.

    Many in politics from the legislative, administrative branches and or judges
    cite “precedent” as a justification for the violations of our rights as
    guaranteed in The Constitution of These United States of America. Precedent
    only describes what has been done and gotten away with, not if it was done in
    compliance with the supreme law of the land or in accordance with the oath of
    office to uphold The Constitution.

  30. The Military Insurance TriCare has already had security breeches in the past. Now why would you tell your Dr.? Could you be sure that the information would not be breeched and information end up in the hands of someone that will know via medical info whether you have or do not have guns in your home, making you a target for robberies or burgularies. No, they blew it in the past with security breeches, home addresses, names, social security numbers etc. in the past, so they don’t get to know this information. It can put people at risk and actually lead to deaths, so no, they don’t get to know this information.

  31. Sounds just like Hitler’s Germany or Mao’s China… where people were encouraged to turn in their fellow citizens or family members, “for the good of society.” No thanks! The first time my doctor asked me a question like that would be the last time he had me as a patient. What did we do to deserve someone so inept and dangerous as Barry Soetoro in the Whitehouse?! And besides Obamacare is going to be overturned anyway because it is totally unconstitutional! So hopefully we won’t have to worry about it.

  32. The military has been directed to ask patients “do you own a gun and if so how is it secured” when they come in for checkups….my advise deny having one do not give this government any information.

  33. If I’m not mistaken this was tried during our last Governor’s (Chris) effort, protested and courts settled that it is unconstitutional for a doctor to engage in such conversation outside a doctor’s line of service. But I guess O feels that the courts don’t know as much as he does..so he will executive order courts to see things his way! Then O will get the “New Media Political Party” to advertise his agenda and so it is written so it is done! Casar!

  34. now barry clarifies the original intent: the legistated obamacare, which expressly
    prohibited doctor involvement in gun ownership questioning, is not
    really so.

    this smells to me of fraud in the inducement
    involving second amendment rights, as well as disruptive state
    interference with the patient-doctor privilege and contractual medical
    professional relationship (now the doctor is a conflicted state
    agent and agent of his contracting innocent client), all of which
    requires revisitation of the law’s original constitutionality.

    would you not agree, john roberts? or is this law still a mere tax?

  35. further, as an executive order, it is unconstitutionally violative of the original law which prohibits the act the e.o. warrants. can’t have it both ways. right, john roberts?

  36. I would never answer any question from a doctor that did not concern my medical condition or treatment. Anything else is none of his bussiness.

  37. we should have a a gun / teapartier rally with protesters for Gibson guitar. should be
    in dc area.invite some ocuppy wallstreetirs too.

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